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Tuesday, 23.01.2018.

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Macedonian president blocks bill on Albanian language

Macedonian President Gjorge Ivanov has refused to sign into law a language bill that introduces Albanian as the second official language in the country.

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Ataman

pre 6 godina

Switzerland is one country, with four different official languages! They don't have a problem!
(the truth, 23 January 2018 16:39)

There is one country quite larger and quite stronger than Switzerland.
True, they have per-capita GDP (quite) lower - but in "exchange" they can destroy the entire Earth and probably the Moon - with one single push of a red knob.

Not that they would ever want... but at least they can.

Anyway, they even do not have the number of "recognized" languages or ethnic entities being set.

You can declare that your native language is of Naboo and you belong ethnically to (Jedi, Zombies, Albanians, Zulus, Jews, Catholics, Gays, Lesbians). It's OK.

You can't declare you being an ethnic "Nazi" or ethnic "Wahabbite" because that thing supposed to endanger the constitution of that country, so these two (and only these two) are banned.

Guess the country, please. Hint: it's name begins with the letter "R".

Apropos. The majority in that country understands the Bulgarians and Macedonians "on fly". We do not any major difference between the two "languages". All we know, that "Macedonian" FYROM-maniac thing was invented by Tito.

Ataman

pre 6 godina

Sam I don’t understand why you would get offended when I use Slav to indentify you.

You are a Slav.

For sure you are not a Greek.
(Azir, 25 January 2018 14:01)

Anything wrong with being a Slav, a Greek, a Jew or a Buddhist?

Please elaborate.

Maybe the worst thing is to have a psychopath boss.

Maybe you have no problems with all above, Serbs included.

Maybe you have problem - and it's real - that your (Albanian, Serbian, American, German, Russian) boss is a psychopath.

That is normal. About 20% of the bosses are psycho. Except America - where that number is quite close to 100%. The reasons are not ethnic, they are cultural.

A psychopath boss will destroy your personal, sexual, family life as well as your finances.

Again, if you live in the U.S. the chances that your boss is a psycho are well above 50%.

Just FYI.

Azir

pre 6 godina

Sam I don’t understand why you would get offended when I use Slav to indentify you.

You are a Slav.

For sure you are not a Greek.

Go to Greece 🇬🇷 and talk to its inhabitants in The real Macedonia. You would need a translator since they don’t speak an ethnic Bulgaria dialect.
Read their newspapers you would not understand it because its a foreign language to you.

If I’m not mistaken a former PM or President once confessed how this identity issue has fooled some but not all.

Don’t fear the truth .

We are proud ethnic Albanians 🇦🇱and and you ought to be proud ethnic Bulgarians 🇧🇬 .

Go to Bulgaria you will fit right in.
They will understand you and see the similarities.
Meet old relatives share commen language,culture , history,foods,dress,manners etc

Don’t hate me for breaking the bad news to you.
Truth overrides ego!

Be happy of who you are and not who you pretend to be.

Azir

pre 6 godina

Sam :

If you were on this side of the fence and have been born Albanian in Macedonia would you not say what I say?

What part of equality doesn’t Macedonia 🇲🇰 not get?

If Macedonia was a company and its population shares ...then Albanian Indigenous investors 🇦🇱 would hold anywhere between 35-40% .Would you not agree a Census that is current be fair?
Wouldn’t you agree we are a major share holder?

Why not implement what you agreeed to 17 years ago?

Didn’t learn from previous issues?

Serbia,Greece and Bulgaria have you surrounded!

I think 🤔 Slavs regime in Macedonia needs us more than we need them.

Sam

pre 6 godina

r

you know it is time the Albanians political parties in Macedonia begin to act with responsibility and accountability towards Macedonia not Kosovo or Pan-Albania
I support Macedonian-Albanians being an integral part of Macedonian Society but it takes a little giving back now
I can tell you I am sick of this debate it is mute for me really it is

There isn’t a Country on this great Green Earth were a minority have as much civil rights and are almost begged to integrate in Society as they do in Macedonia

And stop insulting me by using the term Slavs got it I don’t attack you do I?

Sam

pre 6 godina

Azir
if you want to be tarted with mutual respect how about you dont offend Macedonian readers please
I dont have a beef with you

There are no Bulgarians in Macedonia none zipo zero got it

Azir

pre 6 godina

Iron knee:

I suggest the EU Fund this fact finding Census to promote peace and stability in Macedonia 🇲🇰.

This way the ethnic Bulgarian Slavs have more money 💰 to waste on stolen Greek history and statues ha ha ...

The US has its Census every ten years and they have over 300 million with no problems.

Macedonia has just 2 million and it’s better if it’s done every 5 years .

The truth is beneficial to everyone including the indigenous Shqiptares natives.

I would prefer DNA program to establish honesty.
Macedonia’s assimilated Albanians need to be recovered .

Truth equals happiness 😇

Azir

pre 6 godina

Sam please explain to us how Macedonia 🇲🇰 plans on prospering and being a democracy without our significant percentage?

As in any relationship if you continue disrespecting and treating unfairly the other half please do tell us how long this “ marriage”
Would last?? I doubt many would put up that !

Your options are equality and Democracy as in representation according to population percentage or divorce as in a split in half etc
Czechoslovakia!

We can’t wait forever for the Slavs to implement what you already agreed too !

Waiting over 17 years we are losing hope in you.

Azir

pre 6 godina

Iron knee:

I suggested a free and fair Census that is most accurate to prove who lives where in Macedonia and to you it’s a “ hefty demand”.
Was that too much to ask for?

I suppose if you plan on continued under representing the native indigenous inhabitant Shqiptares then that might be a problem for you.

Equality and respect is needed in any relationship and Macedonia’s 2 million 🇲🇰 Doesn’t have many major races other than the ethic Bulgarians and ethnic Albanians.

Facts you must not fear...
Macedonia has money for Greek statues they will find the funds for this census.
Albanians also pay TAXES.

Brian Ghilliotti

pre 6 godina

The Greeks are staging massive protests over how a neighboring country wants to name itself because one of Greece’s provinces has the same name. This experiment in stupidity is polarizing Greek society. Meanwhile, the international banking cabals are destroying Greece’s economy while they’re busy protesting over how a neighboring country, which will probably not exist in 10 years, wants to name itself. Brian Ghilliotti

Sam

pre 6 godina

Disappointing of the Macedonian PM
I know he is following the legal framework but it will be passed
to the Albanian Nationalist
a little less petty insults please Albanians and Macedonians dont need others throwing there opinions in the affairs of our Country

ChiTown

pre 6 godina

Learn it to understand what a beautiful language is it. 😁😁😁
(Joni, 23 January 2018 20:36)

When you say beautiful, do you mean that sound which resembles phlegm coming out of somebody's throat in the form of a hocker....? I'm sure most Europeans confuse "Albanian Ghetto" with French...LOL,

Information

pre 6 godina

Help me understand. Albanian is already an official language in areas were Albanians make up more than >20% of the population (e.g. Tetovo, Gostivar, Debar, struga, Kumanovo and Skopje). Why is it so important to make Albanian language official (i.e. change street signs, make hospitals, schools and government buildings, police cars and so on include Albanian text and be able to speak Albanian) in areas that have no Albanian population like Veles, Stip Prielp, Bitola and Strumica?

Information

pre 6 godina

The proposed language legislation is in breach of both the country’s Constitution and the 2001 Ohrid framework agreement.

Any changes to the constitution requires 75% of parliamentarians to agree on the change, the current language bill only has 52%.

Also the 2001 Ohrid framework agreement requires any changes to minority rights require 70% agreement of all individual ethnic groups to avoid any possible future majority government watering down the 2001 agreements, so in this instance we have 100% agreement from the Albanian members of parliament but only 43% agreement from ethnic Macedonian members of parliament.

iron knee

pre 6 godina

@azir,

these are some pretty hefty demands.

internationals doing the work for macedonia. i wonder who would be paying these internationals. would they do it out of the goodness of their hearts?
if not, would not those that pay have a direct line in to corruption?

secondly, why not do the census when its done. are not others traveling during the summer months? why isolate it so that it only benefits the albanian minority?

fundamentally, if you don't trust the government institutions of macedonia, and you live there, perhaps you need to re-evaluate things, and make proactive steps. if however you are an outsider perhaps its less of your business than you think it is.

like serbs had the option to leave kosovo, why not give that same option to albanians not in albanaia? why the double standard? something concrete, not some illusory allegories of historical mumbo-jumbo... why not suggest to albanians what you willing offer to non-albanians at this point in time?

Albanian American

pre 6 godina

The biggest problem little ivanov has that over 200 Thousand Macedonian citizens possess Bulgarian citizenship . That’s according to them
(Mace. government) which means a lot more
The Albanian language will be officiall , which should’ve been done long time ago

Avni

pre 6 godina

who are these so called "majority indigenous Albanians"?

latest census (though old) has people who consider themselves as macedonia to be near 2/3, and those considering themselves albanian at around 1/4.

those numbers do no reflect a majority.
further, albanian presence does not imply indigenous.

perhaps there's been a massive demographic change, but then one would need to wonder what causes such an unprecedented change in demographics other than migration (thus no indigenous)
(iron knee, 23 January 2018 17:30)

Do you really trust Slavo-Bulgars? If they can steal their country's name from their neighbor they can do anything. Don't you find it funny that Albanians seem to always be 1/4 of the population, even though, Albanians have the highest number of population increase?

Azir

pre 6 godina

Iron knee:

We supported and demand an international census conducted and monitored by non slavs.

And this Census must not be conducted during the summer season when Albanians travel as seasonal workers in neighboring countries to earn a living since the fake “Macedonia “ regime has a policy of institutionalized discrimination against native indigenous Albanians 🇦🇱 .

We never fear the CENSUS TRUTH and neither should you!

Then afterwards :

Government employment according to honest percentage of population.etc...

Joni

pre 6 godina

(iron knee, 23 January 2018 17:24) 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Russia

Maybe you like Russian exmp. am I right?

Or maybe Kosovo exmp.
With less than 5 % Serbian is official.
So what's your problem with Albanian?
Learn it to understand what a beautiful language is it. 😁😁😁

the truth

pre 6 godina

macedonia is not switzerland.
macedonia is not in the same class as switzerland
tell me how an orange compares to an apple?
(iron knee, 23 January 2018 17:24)

I addressed vratnica, and now I have his wife and/or lover responding!

Same class or not, they are both independent countries!

ChiTown

pre 6 godina

Switzerland is one country, with four different official languages! They don't have a problem!
(the truth, 23 January 2018 16:39

Is Albanian one of those languages??? I think not, nor will it be - that is, unless you overbreed Switzerland over the next 20 years like every other territory you live in.

ChiTown

pre 6 godina

perhaps there's been a massive demographic change, but then one would need to wonder what causes such an unprecedented change in demographics other than migration (thus no indigenous)
(iron knee, 23 January 2018 17:30)

Iron Knee - the simple answer here is twofold, migration and more so, OVERBREEDING territories and calling them your own.

iron knee

pre 6 godina

@azir..
who are these so called "majority indigenous Albanians"?

latest census (though old) has people who consider themselves as macedonia to be near 2/3, and those considering themselves albanian at around 1/4.

those numbers do no reflect a majority.
further, albanian presence does not imply indigenous.

perhaps there's been a massive demographic change, but then one would need to wonder what causes such an unprecedented change in demographics other than migration (thus no indigenous)

the truth

pre 6 godina

About time someone stands up against the egg heads, one country one official language!!
(vratnica, 23 January 2018 13:06)

Switzerland is one country, with four different official languages! They don't have a problem!

Shiptar Egg Heads

pre 6 godina

What’s the name of that country , and what language will that be ? We are still waiting to lol
(Oops, 23 January 2018 15:33)
# Comment link

It's not going to be called Albania or Kosovo for SURE!!

adrian_bucharest

pre 6 godina

Macedonia is developed as Serbia as gdp per capita because of the Albanians

Albanians are good in develop the things , they overtook Ukraine for example

the problem is that they started from a very low level

Romanians and Albanians are better than South Slavs Serbia and Bulgaria in develop economy , Romania started from a higher level than Albania

Serbia and Bulgaria were very advanced in 1989 comparing with Romania and Albania

See how many times was better Bulgaria than Albania in 1990 and compare again in 2020 .

I think even Kosovo will get better

Romanians and Albanians are better than South Slavs + others from region but we started from LOW LEVEL

Who

pre 6 godina

Monday (January 29) there will be another vote.
This time the macedonian President can’t veto , so all he did waisted little time and nothing more. What a country ha ?

ChiTown

pre 6 godina

Bravo Ivanov!!! Unfortunately this move will increase the terrorist activity from the Albs in YOUR country. Don't forget, you can always call 1-800-Srb Help and we'll gladly assist you in sweeping the trash out of your country. Come back home to your Orthodox Mother Serbia.

Peggy

pre 6 godina

You'll pay for it big time.
Albanians are going to force you to do it or they'll start the same problems like in Kosovo.
How many more murders do you want?

Azir

pre 6 godina

Slav ethnic Bulgarians (“Macedonians”)
Continue their games bye NOT fulfilling there obligations to the majority indigenous Albanians .

Pass legislation to recognize Albanian as a National language or watch your government collapse and support of the West evaporate.

Democracy involves practicing what you preach.

Respect your constituents or suffer failure .

Peggy

pre 6 godina

You'll pay for it big time.
Albanians are going to force you to do it or they'll start the same problems like in Kosovo.
How many more murders do you want?

ChiTown

pre 6 godina

Bravo Ivanov!!! Unfortunately this move will increase the terrorist activity from the Albs in YOUR country. Don't forget, you can always call 1-800-Srb Help and we'll gladly assist you in sweeping the trash out of your country. Come back home to your Orthodox Mother Serbia.

Azir

pre 6 godina

Slav ethnic Bulgarians (“Macedonians”)
Continue their games bye NOT fulfilling there obligations to the majority indigenous Albanians .

Pass legislation to recognize Albanian as a National language or watch your government collapse and support of the West evaporate.

Democracy involves practicing what you preach.

Respect your constituents or suffer failure .

Avni

pre 6 godina

who are these so called "majority indigenous Albanians"?

latest census (though old) has people who consider themselves as macedonia to be near 2/3, and those considering themselves albanian at around 1/4.

those numbers do no reflect a majority.
further, albanian presence does not imply indigenous.

perhaps there's been a massive demographic change, but then one would need to wonder what causes such an unprecedented change in demographics other than migration (thus no indigenous)
(iron knee, 23 January 2018 17:30)

Do you really trust Slavo-Bulgars? If they can steal their country's name from their neighbor they can do anything. Don't you find it funny that Albanians seem to always be 1/4 of the population, even though, Albanians have the highest number of population increase?

adrian_bucharest

pre 6 godina

Macedonia is developed as Serbia as gdp per capita because of the Albanians

Albanians are good in develop the things , they overtook Ukraine for example

the problem is that they started from a very low level

Romanians and Albanians are better than South Slavs Serbia and Bulgaria in develop economy , Romania started from a higher level than Albania

Serbia and Bulgaria were very advanced in 1989 comparing with Romania and Albania

See how many times was better Bulgaria than Albania in 1990 and compare again in 2020 .

I think even Kosovo will get better

Romanians and Albanians are better than South Slavs + others from region but we started from LOW LEVEL

the truth

pre 6 godina

About time someone stands up against the egg heads, one country one official language!!
(vratnica, 23 January 2018 13:06)

Switzerland is one country, with four different official languages! They don't have a problem!

Who

pre 6 godina

Monday (January 29) there will be another vote.
This time the macedonian President can’t veto , so all he did waisted little time and nothing more. What a country ha ?

iron knee

pre 6 godina

@azir..
who are these so called "majority indigenous Albanians"?

latest census (though old) has people who consider themselves as macedonia to be near 2/3, and those considering themselves albanian at around 1/4.

those numbers do no reflect a majority.
further, albanian presence does not imply indigenous.

perhaps there's been a massive demographic change, but then one would need to wonder what causes such an unprecedented change in demographics other than migration (thus no indigenous)

Albanian American

pre 6 godina

The biggest problem little ivanov has that over 200 Thousand Macedonian citizens possess Bulgarian citizenship . That’s according to them
(Mace. government) which means a lot more
The Albanian language will be officiall , which should’ve been done long time ago

Shiptar Egg Heads

pre 6 godina

What’s the name of that country , and what language will that be ? We are still waiting to lol
(Oops, 23 January 2018 15:33)
# Comment link

It's not going to be called Albania or Kosovo for SURE!!

ChiTown

pre 6 godina

Switzerland is one country, with four different official languages! They don't have a problem!
(the truth, 23 January 2018 16:39

Is Albanian one of those languages??? I think not, nor will it be - that is, unless you overbreed Switzerland over the next 20 years like every other territory you live in.

Joni

pre 6 godina

(iron knee, 23 January 2018 17:24) 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Russia

Maybe you like Russian exmp. am I right?

Or maybe Kosovo exmp.
With less than 5 % Serbian is official.
So what's your problem with Albanian?
Learn it to understand what a beautiful language is it. 😁😁😁

ChiTown

pre 6 godina

perhaps there's been a massive demographic change, but then one would need to wonder what causes such an unprecedented change in demographics other than migration (thus no indigenous)
(iron knee, 23 January 2018 17:30)

Iron Knee - the simple answer here is twofold, migration and more so, OVERBREEDING territories and calling them your own.

ChiTown

pre 6 godina

Learn it to understand what a beautiful language is it. 😁😁😁
(Joni, 23 January 2018 20:36)

When you say beautiful, do you mean that sound which resembles phlegm coming out of somebody's throat in the form of a hocker....? I'm sure most Europeans confuse "Albanian Ghetto" with French...LOL,

Azir

pre 6 godina

Iron knee:

We supported and demand an international census conducted and monitored by non slavs.

And this Census must not be conducted during the summer season when Albanians travel as seasonal workers in neighboring countries to earn a living since the fake “Macedonia “ regime has a policy of institutionalized discrimination against native indigenous Albanians 🇦🇱 .

We never fear the CENSUS TRUTH and neither should you!

Then afterwards :

Government employment according to honest percentage of population.etc...

Azir

pre 6 godina

Iron knee:

I suggested a free and fair Census that is most accurate to prove who lives where in Macedonia and to you it’s a “ hefty demand”.
Was that too much to ask for?

I suppose if you plan on continued under representing the native indigenous inhabitant Shqiptares then that might be a problem for you.

Equality and respect is needed in any relationship and Macedonia’s 2 million 🇲🇰 Doesn’t have many major races other than the ethic Bulgarians and ethnic Albanians.

Facts you must not fear...
Macedonia has money for Greek statues they will find the funds for this census.
Albanians also pay TAXES.

Azir

pre 6 godina

Iron knee:

I suggest the EU Fund this fact finding Census to promote peace and stability in Macedonia 🇲🇰.

This way the ethnic Bulgarian Slavs have more money 💰 to waste on stolen Greek history and statues ha ha ...

The US has its Census every ten years and they have over 300 million with no problems.

Macedonia has just 2 million and it’s better if it’s done every 5 years .

The truth is beneficial to everyone including the indigenous Shqiptares natives.

I would prefer DNA program to establish honesty.
Macedonia’s assimilated Albanians need to be recovered .

Truth equals happiness 😇

the truth

pre 6 godina

macedonia is not switzerland.
macedonia is not in the same class as switzerland
tell me how an orange compares to an apple?
(iron knee, 23 January 2018 17:24)

I addressed vratnica, and now I have his wife and/or lover responding!

Same class or not, they are both independent countries!

iron knee

pre 6 godina

@azir,

these are some pretty hefty demands.

internationals doing the work for macedonia. i wonder who would be paying these internationals. would they do it out of the goodness of their hearts?
if not, would not those that pay have a direct line in to corruption?

secondly, why not do the census when its done. are not others traveling during the summer months? why isolate it so that it only benefits the albanian minority?

fundamentally, if you don't trust the government institutions of macedonia, and you live there, perhaps you need to re-evaluate things, and make proactive steps. if however you are an outsider perhaps its less of your business than you think it is.

like serbs had the option to leave kosovo, why not give that same option to albanians not in albanaia? why the double standard? something concrete, not some illusory allegories of historical mumbo-jumbo... why not suggest to albanians what you willing offer to non-albanians at this point in time?

Information

pre 6 godina

Help me understand. Albanian is already an official language in areas were Albanians make up more than >20% of the population (e.g. Tetovo, Gostivar, Debar, struga, Kumanovo and Skopje). Why is it so important to make Albanian language official (i.e. change street signs, make hospitals, schools and government buildings, police cars and so on include Albanian text and be able to speak Albanian) in areas that have no Albanian population like Veles, Stip Prielp, Bitola and Strumica?

Brian Ghilliotti

pre 6 godina

The Greeks are staging massive protests over how a neighboring country wants to name itself because one of Greece’s provinces has the same name. This experiment in stupidity is polarizing Greek society. Meanwhile, the international banking cabals are destroying Greece’s economy while they’re busy protesting over how a neighboring country, which will probably not exist in 10 years, wants to name itself. Brian Ghilliotti

Azir

pre 6 godina

Sam please explain to us how Macedonia 🇲🇰 plans on prospering and being a democracy without our significant percentage?

As in any relationship if you continue disrespecting and treating unfairly the other half please do tell us how long this “ marriage”
Would last?? I doubt many would put up that !

Your options are equality and Democracy as in representation according to population percentage or divorce as in a split in half etc
Czechoslovakia!

We can’t wait forever for the Slavs to implement what you already agreed too !

Waiting over 17 years we are losing hope in you.

Information

pre 6 godina

The proposed language legislation is in breach of both the country’s Constitution and the 2001 Ohrid framework agreement.

Any changes to the constitution requires 75% of parliamentarians to agree on the change, the current language bill only has 52%.

Also the 2001 Ohrid framework agreement requires any changes to minority rights require 70% agreement of all individual ethnic groups to avoid any possible future majority government watering down the 2001 agreements, so in this instance we have 100% agreement from the Albanian members of parliament but only 43% agreement from ethnic Macedonian members of parliament.

Sam

pre 6 godina

Disappointing of the Macedonian PM
I know he is following the legal framework but it will be passed
to the Albanian Nationalist
a little less petty insults please Albanians and Macedonians dont need others throwing there opinions in the affairs of our Country

Azir

pre 6 godina

Sam :

If you were on this side of the fence and have been born Albanian in Macedonia would you not say what I say?

What part of equality doesn’t Macedonia 🇲🇰 not get?

If Macedonia was a company and its population shares ...then Albanian Indigenous investors 🇦🇱 would hold anywhere between 35-40% .Would you not agree a Census that is current be fair?
Wouldn’t you agree we are a major share holder?

Why not implement what you agreeed to 17 years ago?

Didn’t learn from previous issues?

Serbia,Greece and Bulgaria have you surrounded!

I think 🤔 Slavs regime in Macedonia needs us more than we need them.

Azir

pre 6 godina

Sam I don’t understand why you would get offended when I use Slav to indentify you.

You are a Slav.

For sure you are not a Greek.

Go to Greece 🇬🇷 and talk to its inhabitants in The real Macedonia. You would need a translator since they don’t speak an ethnic Bulgaria dialect.
Read their newspapers you would not understand it because its a foreign language to you.

If I’m not mistaken a former PM or President once confessed how this identity issue has fooled some but not all.

Don’t fear the truth .

We are proud ethnic Albanians 🇦🇱and and you ought to be proud ethnic Bulgarians 🇧🇬 .

Go to Bulgaria you will fit right in.
They will understand you and see the similarities.
Meet old relatives share commen language,culture , history,foods,dress,manners etc

Don’t hate me for breaking the bad news to you.
Truth overrides ego!

Be happy of who you are and not who you pretend to be.

Sam

pre 6 godina

Azir
if you want to be tarted with mutual respect how about you dont offend Macedonian readers please
I dont have a beef with you

There are no Bulgarians in Macedonia none zipo zero got it

Sam

pre 6 godina

r

you know it is time the Albanians political parties in Macedonia begin to act with responsibility and accountability towards Macedonia not Kosovo or Pan-Albania
I support Macedonian-Albanians being an integral part of Macedonian Society but it takes a little giving back now
I can tell you I am sick of this debate it is mute for me really it is

There isn’t a Country on this great Green Earth were a minority have as much civil rights and are almost begged to integrate in Society as they do in Macedonia

And stop insulting me by using the term Slavs got it I don’t attack you do I?

Ataman

pre 6 godina

Switzerland is one country, with four different official languages! They don't have a problem!
(the truth, 23 January 2018 16:39)

There is one country quite larger and quite stronger than Switzerland.
True, they have per-capita GDP (quite) lower - but in "exchange" they can destroy the entire Earth and probably the Moon - with one single push of a red knob.

Not that they would ever want... but at least they can.

Anyway, they even do not have the number of "recognized" languages or ethnic entities being set.

You can declare that your native language is of Naboo and you belong ethnically to (Jedi, Zombies, Albanians, Zulus, Jews, Catholics, Gays, Lesbians). It's OK.

You can't declare you being an ethnic "Nazi" or ethnic "Wahabbite" because that thing supposed to endanger the constitution of that country, so these two (and only these two) are banned.

Guess the country, please. Hint: it's name begins with the letter "R".

Apropos. The majority in that country understands the Bulgarians and Macedonians "on fly". We do not any major difference between the two "languages". All we know, that "Macedonian" FYROM-maniac thing was invented by Tito.

Ataman

pre 6 godina

Sam I don’t understand why you would get offended when I use Slav to indentify you.

You are a Slav.

For sure you are not a Greek.
(Azir, 25 January 2018 14:01)

Anything wrong with being a Slav, a Greek, a Jew or a Buddhist?

Please elaborate.

Maybe the worst thing is to have a psychopath boss.

Maybe you have no problems with all above, Serbs included.

Maybe you have problem - and it's real - that your (Albanian, Serbian, American, German, Russian) boss is a psychopath.

That is normal. About 20% of the bosses are psycho. Except America - where that number is quite close to 100%. The reasons are not ethnic, they are cultural.

A psychopath boss will destroy your personal, sexual, family life as well as your finances.

Again, if you live in the U.S. the chances that your boss is a psycho are well above 50%.

Just FYI.

ChiTown

pre 6 godina

Bravo Ivanov!!! Unfortunately this move will increase the terrorist activity from the Albs in YOUR country. Don't forget, you can always call 1-800-Srb Help and we'll gladly assist you in sweeping the trash out of your country. Come back home to your Orthodox Mother Serbia.

Azir

pre 6 godina

Slav ethnic Bulgarians (“Macedonians”)
Continue their games bye NOT fulfilling there obligations to the majority indigenous Albanians .

Pass legislation to recognize Albanian as a National language or watch your government collapse and support of the West evaporate.

Democracy involves practicing what you preach.

Respect your constituents or suffer failure .

adrian_bucharest

pre 6 godina

Macedonia is developed as Serbia as gdp per capita because of the Albanians

Albanians are good in develop the things , they overtook Ukraine for example

the problem is that they started from a very low level

Romanians and Albanians are better than South Slavs Serbia and Bulgaria in develop economy , Romania started from a higher level than Albania

Serbia and Bulgaria were very advanced in 1989 comparing with Romania and Albania

See how many times was better Bulgaria than Albania in 1990 and compare again in 2020 .

I think even Kosovo will get better

Romanians and Albanians are better than South Slavs + others from region but we started from LOW LEVEL

Peggy

pre 6 godina

You'll pay for it big time.
Albanians are going to force you to do it or they'll start the same problems like in Kosovo.
How many more murders do you want?

Albanian American

pre 6 godina

The biggest problem little ivanov has that over 200 Thousand Macedonian citizens possess Bulgarian citizenship . That’s according to them
(Mace. government) which means a lot more
The Albanian language will be officiall , which should’ve been done long time ago

ChiTown

pre 6 godina

Switzerland is one country, with four different official languages! They don't have a problem!
(the truth, 23 January 2018 16:39

Is Albanian one of those languages??? I think not, nor will it be - that is, unless you overbreed Switzerland over the next 20 years like every other territory you live in.

Joni

pre 6 godina

(iron knee, 23 January 2018 17:24) 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Russia

Maybe you like Russian exmp. am I right?

Or maybe Kosovo exmp.
With less than 5 % Serbian is official.
So what's your problem with Albanian?
Learn it to understand what a beautiful language is it. 😁😁😁

Shiptar Egg Heads

pre 6 godina

What’s the name of that country , and what language will that be ? We are still waiting to lol
(Oops, 23 January 2018 15:33)
# Comment link

It's not going to be called Albania or Kosovo for SURE!!

Avni

pre 6 godina

who are these so called "majority indigenous Albanians"?

latest census (though old) has people who consider themselves as macedonia to be near 2/3, and those considering themselves albanian at around 1/4.

those numbers do no reflect a majority.
further, albanian presence does not imply indigenous.

perhaps there's been a massive demographic change, but then one would need to wonder what causes such an unprecedented change in demographics other than migration (thus no indigenous)
(iron knee, 23 January 2018 17:30)

Do you really trust Slavo-Bulgars? If they can steal their country's name from their neighbor they can do anything. Don't you find it funny that Albanians seem to always be 1/4 of the population, even though, Albanians have the highest number of population increase?

Azir

pre 6 godina

Iron knee:

We supported and demand an international census conducted and monitored by non slavs.

And this Census must not be conducted during the summer season when Albanians travel as seasonal workers in neighboring countries to earn a living since the fake “Macedonia “ regime has a policy of institutionalized discrimination against native indigenous Albanians 🇦🇱 .

We never fear the CENSUS TRUTH and neither should you!

Then afterwards :

Government employment according to honest percentage of population.etc...

Information

pre 6 godina

Help me understand. Albanian is already an official language in areas were Albanians make up more than >20% of the population (e.g. Tetovo, Gostivar, Debar, struga, Kumanovo and Skopje). Why is it so important to make Albanian language official (i.e. change street signs, make hospitals, schools and government buildings, police cars and so on include Albanian text and be able to speak Albanian) in areas that have no Albanian population like Veles, Stip Prielp, Bitola and Strumica?

iron knee

pre 6 godina

@azir..
who are these so called "majority indigenous Albanians"?

latest census (though old) has people who consider themselves as macedonia to be near 2/3, and those considering themselves albanian at around 1/4.

those numbers do no reflect a majority.
further, albanian presence does not imply indigenous.

perhaps there's been a massive demographic change, but then one would need to wonder what causes such an unprecedented change in demographics other than migration (thus no indigenous)

the truth

pre 6 godina

About time someone stands up against the egg heads, one country one official language!!
(vratnica, 23 January 2018 13:06)

Switzerland is one country, with four different official languages! They don't have a problem!

iron knee

pre 6 godina

@azir,

these are some pretty hefty demands.

internationals doing the work for macedonia. i wonder who would be paying these internationals. would they do it out of the goodness of their hearts?
if not, would not those that pay have a direct line in to corruption?

secondly, why not do the census when its done. are not others traveling during the summer months? why isolate it so that it only benefits the albanian minority?

fundamentally, if you don't trust the government institutions of macedonia, and you live there, perhaps you need to re-evaluate things, and make proactive steps. if however you are an outsider perhaps its less of your business than you think it is.

like serbs had the option to leave kosovo, why not give that same option to albanians not in albanaia? why the double standard? something concrete, not some illusory allegories of historical mumbo-jumbo... why not suggest to albanians what you willing offer to non-albanians at this point in time?

ChiTown

pre 6 godina

Learn it to understand what a beautiful language is it. 😁😁😁
(Joni, 23 January 2018 20:36)

When you say beautiful, do you mean that sound which resembles phlegm coming out of somebody's throat in the form of a hocker....? I'm sure most Europeans confuse "Albanian Ghetto" with French...LOL,

Azir

pre 6 godina

Sam please explain to us how Macedonia 🇲🇰 plans on prospering and being a democracy without our significant percentage?

As in any relationship if you continue disrespecting and treating unfairly the other half please do tell us how long this “ marriage”
Would last?? I doubt many would put up that !

Your options are equality and Democracy as in representation according to population percentage or divorce as in a split in half etc
Czechoslovakia!

We can’t wait forever for the Slavs to implement what you already agreed too !

Waiting over 17 years we are losing hope in you.

Azir

pre 6 godina

Iron knee:

I suggest the EU Fund this fact finding Census to promote peace and stability in Macedonia 🇲🇰.

This way the ethnic Bulgarian Slavs have more money 💰 to waste on stolen Greek history and statues ha ha ...

The US has its Census every ten years and they have over 300 million with no problems.

Macedonia has just 2 million and it’s better if it’s done every 5 years .

The truth is beneficial to everyone including the indigenous Shqiptares natives.

I would prefer DNA program to establish honesty.
Macedonia’s assimilated Albanians need to be recovered .

Truth equals happiness 😇

ChiTown

pre 6 godina

perhaps there's been a massive demographic change, but then one would need to wonder what causes such an unprecedented change in demographics other than migration (thus no indigenous)
(iron knee, 23 January 2018 17:30)

Iron Knee - the simple answer here is twofold, migration and more so, OVERBREEDING territories and calling them your own.

the truth

pre 6 godina

macedonia is not switzerland.
macedonia is not in the same class as switzerland
tell me how an orange compares to an apple?
(iron knee, 23 January 2018 17:24)

I addressed vratnica, and now I have his wife and/or lover responding!

Same class or not, they are both independent countries!

Azir

pre 6 godina

Iron knee:

I suggested a free and fair Census that is most accurate to prove who lives where in Macedonia and to you it’s a “ hefty demand”.
Was that too much to ask for?

I suppose if you plan on continued under representing the native indigenous inhabitant Shqiptares then that might be a problem for you.

Equality and respect is needed in any relationship and Macedonia’s 2 million 🇲🇰 Doesn’t have many major races other than the ethic Bulgarians and ethnic Albanians.

Facts you must not fear...
Macedonia has money for Greek statues they will find the funds for this census.
Albanians also pay TAXES.

Brian Ghilliotti

pre 6 godina

The Greeks are staging massive protests over how a neighboring country wants to name itself because one of Greece’s provinces has the same name. This experiment in stupidity is polarizing Greek society. Meanwhile, the international banking cabals are destroying Greece’s economy while they’re busy protesting over how a neighboring country, which will probably not exist in 10 years, wants to name itself. Brian Ghilliotti

Who

pre 6 godina

Monday (January 29) there will be another vote.
This time the macedonian President can’t veto , so all he did waisted little time and nothing more. What a country ha ?

Information

pre 6 godina

The proposed language legislation is in breach of both the country’s Constitution and the 2001 Ohrid framework agreement.

Any changes to the constitution requires 75% of parliamentarians to agree on the change, the current language bill only has 52%.

Also the 2001 Ohrid framework agreement requires any changes to minority rights require 70% agreement of all individual ethnic groups to avoid any possible future majority government watering down the 2001 agreements, so in this instance we have 100% agreement from the Albanian members of parliament but only 43% agreement from ethnic Macedonian members of parliament.

Sam

pre 6 godina

Disappointing of the Macedonian PM
I know he is following the legal framework but it will be passed
to the Albanian Nationalist
a little less petty insults please Albanians and Macedonians dont need others throwing there opinions in the affairs of our Country

Sam

pre 6 godina

Azir
if you want to be tarted with mutual respect how about you dont offend Macedonian readers please
I dont have a beef with you

There are no Bulgarians in Macedonia none zipo zero got it

Sam

pre 6 godina

r

you know it is time the Albanians political parties in Macedonia begin to act with responsibility and accountability towards Macedonia not Kosovo or Pan-Albania
I support Macedonian-Albanians being an integral part of Macedonian Society but it takes a little giving back now
I can tell you I am sick of this debate it is mute for me really it is

There isn’t a Country on this great Green Earth were a minority have as much civil rights and are almost begged to integrate in Society as they do in Macedonia

And stop insulting me by using the term Slavs got it I don’t attack you do I?

Azir

pre 6 godina

Sam :

If you were on this side of the fence and have been born Albanian in Macedonia would you not say what I say?

What part of equality doesn’t Macedonia 🇲🇰 not get?

If Macedonia was a company and its population shares ...then Albanian Indigenous investors 🇦🇱 would hold anywhere between 35-40% .Would you not agree a Census that is current be fair?
Wouldn’t you agree we are a major share holder?

Why not implement what you agreeed to 17 years ago?

Didn’t learn from previous issues?

Serbia,Greece and Bulgaria have you surrounded!

I think 🤔 Slavs regime in Macedonia needs us more than we need them.

Azir

pre 6 godina

Sam I don’t understand why you would get offended when I use Slav to indentify you.

You are a Slav.

For sure you are not a Greek.

Go to Greece 🇬🇷 and talk to its inhabitants in The real Macedonia. You would need a translator since they don’t speak an ethnic Bulgaria dialect.
Read their newspapers you would not understand it because its a foreign language to you.

If I’m not mistaken a former PM or President once confessed how this identity issue has fooled some but not all.

Don’t fear the truth .

We are proud ethnic Albanians 🇦🇱and and you ought to be proud ethnic Bulgarians 🇧🇬 .

Go to Bulgaria you will fit right in.
They will understand you and see the similarities.
Meet old relatives share commen language,culture , history,foods,dress,manners etc

Don’t hate me for breaking the bad news to you.
Truth overrides ego!

Be happy of who you are and not who you pretend to be.

Ataman

pre 6 godina

Switzerland is one country, with four different official languages! They don't have a problem!
(the truth, 23 January 2018 16:39)

There is one country quite larger and quite stronger than Switzerland.
True, they have per-capita GDP (quite) lower - but in "exchange" they can destroy the entire Earth and probably the Moon - with one single push of a red knob.

Not that they would ever want... but at least they can.

Anyway, they even do not have the number of "recognized" languages or ethnic entities being set.

You can declare that your native language is of Naboo and you belong ethnically to (Jedi, Zombies, Albanians, Zulus, Jews, Catholics, Gays, Lesbians). It's OK.

You can't declare you being an ethnic "Nazi" or ethnic "Wahabbite" because that thing supposed to endanger the constitution of that country, so these two (and only these two) are banned.

Guess the country, please. Hint: it's name begins with the letter "R".

Apropos. The majority in that country understands the Bulgarians and Macedonians "on fly". We do not any major difference between the two "languages". All we know, that "Macedonian" FYROM-maniac thing was invented by Tito.

Ataman

pre 6 godina

Sam I don’t understand why you would get offended when I use Slav to indentify you.

You are a Slav.

For sure you are not a Greek.
(Azir, 25 January 2018 14:01)

Anything wrong with being a Slav, a Greek, a Jew or a Buddhist?

Please elaborate.

Maybe the worst thing is to have a psychopath boss.

Maybe you have no problems with all above, Serbs included.

Maybe you have problem - and it's real - that your (Albanian, Serbian, American, German, Russian) boss is a psychopath.

That is normal. About 20% of the bosses are psycho. Except America - where that number is quite close to 100%. The reasons are not ethnic, they are cultural.

A psychopath boss will destroy your personal, sexual, family life as well as your finances.

Again, if you live in the U.S. the chances that your boss is a psycho are well above 50%.

Just FYI.