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Monday, 13.11.2017.

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Izetbegovic said he "hopes Bosnia will recognize Kosovo"

Bosnia-Herzegovina (BiH) Presidency member Bakir Izetbegovic has told Germany's Deutsche Welle broadcaster that he "hopes BiH will recognize Kosovo."

Izvor: Tanjug

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sj

pre 6 godina

Well, dear, my understanding is that the adoption of the declaration of independence of 17 February 2008 did not violate general international law, Security Council resolution 1244 (1999) or the Constitutional Framework. What part of my understanding is incorrect?!
(icj1, 16 November 2017 21:17)

My dear I doubt you understand anything at all. Trying to explain legalistic nuances to you is like trying to explain it to a rock - you just don't get as it flies right over your head and you keep quoting the same old stuff someone wrote for you ages ago.

Lets try and see if it sinks in this time - keeping fingers crossed.

A declaration of independence is not illegal since declarations are not covered by international law. However, separating from a country is covered by international law. What you need to do is seek from the international court to rule that Kosovo's separation was legal and thus remove any doubt and prove to Serbs it was legal.

If you even attempted that one the US would string you guys up LOL.

icj1

pre 6 godina

(icj1, 14 November 2017 15:55

Again, you don't understand it.
(Joe A, 14 November 2017 22:01)

Well, dear, my understanding is that the adoption of the declaration of independence of 17 February 2008 did not violate general international law, Security Council resolution 1244 (1999) or the Constitutional Framework. What part of my understanding is incorrect?!

Who cares

pre 6 godina

I know that most people on this website hate Serbs, but the fact that anyone can upvote anything Lennard says is just ridiculus to me.
Seriously, the dude lacks basic knowladge on anything, why do you people think he knows anything about military?

It's kind of sad that everything he writes is factualy incorrect.

Peggy

pre 6 godina

For my "critics" and B92, I stand by my words. Respectable journalism requires people identify themselves.
(Betsy Lalich, 15 November 2017 04:54)
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Except that we are not journalists and we write in the comment section.

sj

pre 6 godina

Would he recognize a highly autonomous Croatian region within Bosnia near as well? Brian Ghilliotti
(Brian Ghilliotti, 15 November 2017 11:58)

Izetbegovic would never tolerate, let alone recognise, any autonomous Croatian region within the Federation half of Bosnia. The Croats are behind the eight ball since they have been bleeding population continuously since the Federation came into force. They are no longer a people in Bosnia, but now a minority.

That’s why you have Cavic sticking with the Serbs in the hope he can salvage something. Highly amusing these Croats, they hate Serbs in Croatia, but seek help from Serbs in Bosnia.

Unlike RS which has specific boundaries stipulated in the Dayton Agreement, the Croats have no agreement or defined border between them and the Bosniaks for it to have any type of autonomy or even break away.

sj

pre 6 godina

Poor sj always so confused since he left the sheep station in the outback. His job following sheep and picking their droppings putting them in bags ahhh. Again the poor fellow is confused it is [link]/ Serbian air force run in to the ground by technical Serbs. So is most of the Serb "army" equipment no fuel, parts etc most of it 1970's era antiques.
(Lenard, 14 November 2017 22:50)

Lenny I only say Croatian military no have enough firepower to subdue angry 90 year old granny. Have Croatian air force fixed those Migs they sent to Ukraine for refurbishment yet? LOL

Croatia has a mighty forec of 600 professional soldiers and a couple of second hand helicopters they got from the US opps I forgot that they paid for. I nearly also forgot those Humvees that "only" needed a spray job but still rusting in a garage in a Zagreb suburb.

I recommend that if Croatian 20,000 reservists attack RS to take over Brcko,
they have rubber ducks to use to cross Sava Rvier.

Serbs know that from December to end of February no worries and make sure your Croats tell Serbs in advance that you need time to save money for fuel to drive old Yugo army trucks. Lenny, if BS was awarded prizes Croats would win hands down year after.

Now back to kitchen and have nice warm coco and take medicine and nurse will tuck you into bed with baton.

Joe A

pre 6 godina

(icj1, 14 November 2017 15:55
Again, you don't understand it. Law has everything to do with language, the wording used, interpretation and being non-ambiguous. Like any court, the ICJ knows that of course but also knew too well that their verdict had the potential power to set of an avalanche of declarations of independence worldwide. They did not want to piss off their member states by being responsible for a string of declarations of independence. So that is why they opted to keep the wording ambiguous. A factual recognition of Kosovo by the ICJ has no legal basis in international law as I explained. If they would have done that, that would have opened up a can of legal problems worldwide and for the ICJ itself.
As for your other remarks, Kosovo is not recognized by the UNSC (and as long as Serbia does not recognize Kosovo, so will not the UNSC because it requires unanimity); the EU; 5 out of 28 EU countries; about half the world's countries. Kosovo is not part of UNESCO and many other international institutions. Kosovo cannot even use its name without the asterisk. Serbia might not control Kosovo, but as it is now, Kosovo can not move forward. Not to mention it is a dysfunctional state. Basically, it is in a stalemate situation.

Lenard

pre 6 godina

Poor sj always so confused since he left the sheep station in the outback. His job following sheep and picking their droppings putting them in bags ahhh. Again the poor fellow is confused it is https://inserbia.info/today/2014/06/serbia-soon-without-air-force/ Serbian air force run in to the ground by technical Serbs. So is most of the Serb "army" equipment no fuel, parts etc most of it 1970's era antiques.

Peggy

pre 6 godina

Get professional !
(Betsy Lalich, 14 November 2017 11:21)
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Professional like the New York Times or The Washington Post or perhaps BBC, CNN, NBC, ABC just to name a few?
I suppose you think spreading propaganda is much less dangerous than letting people express how they feel.
I agree, there is quite a lot of abuse here and name calling from the Albanian side especially, but news articles are not rubbish.
I suppose you have a degree in journalism and can judge what is professional and what isn't?

sj

pre 6 godina

I am not sure you are reading my name and my comment, I am a SERB!!!

(CarLazar, 14 November 2017 15:25)

On this site there are many people who make claims that they are Serbs, but the vast majority are not what they say.

Now as I said before there is no way Izetbegovic can use arms against RS because they have been disarmed. So unless they have an air force, tank regiments and missile batteries it’s all hot air from little Izzy plus Serbia guarantees the safety of RS. Little Izzy is supported by the US and their hanger on and it’s in their interest to keep the “pot boiling”.

On the issue of Croatian reservist, let me tell you that in about 2 weeks Croatian military bases will be closed until the end of February. Its something instituted several years ago to save money. Croatia does not have an air force nor sufficient tanks to fight an aggressive grandmother. This mythology of Croatian troops entering Brcko if RS was to break away (LOL) comes from the end of the war in Bosnia. Croatia does not have the funds to organise a piss up in a pub.

Even if Croatia could do what you claim they would be invading another country and there is no way key NATO countries would get involved if Serbia started to level Croatia. Plus, Russia guarantees the existence of RS.

So I’d sleep easy and not worry the BS being spread.

When the time comes the referendum will be held and RS will leave BiH and not a peep will come from anyone.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 6 godina

Dear beautiful young lady Ms. Lalich, we conquered also by marriage besides oppression real real cruelty and submission.. Would you marry me and become my ljubavi pashina? I don't need you to breed (oooops abusive term, I mean give birth) as I already have children but we can discuss on how much your croatian brothers love you and how dictatorships work!

CarLazar

pre 6 godina

(CarLazar, 13 November 2017 13:54)

Another Croatian nincompoop having fantasies of Croatia the great LOL. Croatia does not have an air force let alone 20,000 armed and equipped reservists to attack a comatosed granny.

(sj, 14 November 2017 09:49)

I am not sure you are reading my name and my comment, I am a SERB!!!

Jagodina,

I have a business and do not need a lecture from you to tell me how to live and speak the truth, I am not speaking about my self and why should I move to Serbia to make a living when I live in Bosnia?

I am speaking about majoraty, not because they are lasy but due to no opportunity, do you know how much a Dr makes in Serbia or Bosnia? Unless you want them to ask for bribes?

icj1

pre 6 godina

The ruling says that the adoption of the declaration did not violate international law. But that does not mean that the actual independence is legal or a fait compli in that matter.
(Joe A, 14 November 2017 09:57)

Of course, because the independence of Kosovo from Serbia was already a fait compli since 1999 lol
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It merely implies that anybody can declare independence.
(Joe A, 14 November 2017 09:57)

Sure, if it is done in accordance with international law, like Kosovo did.
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If they wanted to be non-ambiguous they would have stated more concretely that the independence is legal.
(Joe A, 14 November 2017 09:57)

Well, feel free to ask ICJ to help you understand, because few other people, if any, have any doubt lol

Zoran

pre 6 godina

Please recall Erdogen shot down two Russian jets...
(Moderate Serb, 14 November 2017 03:48)
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LOL! Erdogan didn't shoot down Russian jets. It was the US in cahoots with the Turkish army and since the attempted coup, those Turkish generals and army personnel are all locked up.

Erdogan is now Putin's b!tch while Putin controls the Middle East and soon the Balkans. With a pinch of truth, a bit of persuasion and ejecting some politicians, it won't take too much for the Bosnian Muslims to side with the Serbs.

Sasa from Near Jagodina City

pre 6 godina

If you have not lived and not willing to sacrifice your children or grandchildren don't tell us who live here how to behave, if you live in Serbia, you will be safe, if you live abroad you won't care except to talk from far.

Words are cheap, where do you live?
Come and see conditions people live here due to corruption, we need to lear to coexist enough lies and patriotism we have had enough.
(Carlazar, 14 November 2017 01:02) # Comment

To Carlazar,
I live near Jagodina and experience the life in Serbia for last 4 years. People are living much better then 4 years ago .
A lot of people complain about the conditions of their living while sitting for majority of their day drinking in cafe's and bar's .
If you want to work in Serbia to get a head, like in the western countries, You can ))
I am sick of lazy people complaining about the cost of living and how it use to be much better in their parent's time ( in Australia, USA , Germany, Austria and even in Serbia).
Remember, in Serbia 10 per cent of population are renters while in Western Countries more then 60 per cent are non home owners and pay rent.
Serbs are not Ghetto in like Albanian,and can leave anytime.

Peggy

pre 6 godina

Come and see conditions people live here due to corruption, we need to lear to coexist enough lies and patriotism we have had enough.
(Carlazar, 14 November 2017 01:02)
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Oh I agree that we need to learn to live together but tell that to the Muslims not me. We are not and never have been the problem.
Do you not see that? Did you even read my reply?
I don't want anyone's kids to die but if this is not sorted out now, there will be no hope of sorting it out later on.
Just remember Lebanon. Do you want you descendants to curse your name because they are living under Islam? They will get the upper hand no matter how hard you try to get along with them.
So would you rather sort this out now when you have a chance or leave it for future generations to have to become refugees like the Christians of Lebanon?

sj

pre 6 godina

So would that not lead to Kosovo joining Albania? just wondering how will that pan out!
(Bilbao, 14 November 2017 10:59)

No it cannot. RS was created under the Dayton Agreement and in that same agreement there is a clause which allows for a referendum to be held if RS so wished to break away from BiH. There is no such agreement or clause where Kosovo is concerned.

Kosovo was created as a separate country by the US without any reference to the then constitution of Yugoslavia or its people.

Betsy Lalich

pre 6 godina

Until B92 acts like a real news site, it will have no respect. Anyone with false names can make ridiculous or abusive comments. You hold no one accountable. This is no longer news required under a dictatorship. No one needs to hide anymore. Get professional !

sj

pre 6 godina

It seems you have a short memory. Please recall Erdogen shot down two Russian jets, killing the Russian pilots, while Putin genuflected to the Turk and presented him with a jar of lubricant.
(Moderate Serb, 14 November 2017 03:48)

If Putin went to war with Turkey, there would be very little left of Turkey using just conventional weapons. Erdogan was set up by part of the Turkish military working for the US and that is why the two planes were shot down.

The US required an incident to close the Bosphorus to stop the resupply of weapons to Russian troops in Syria. Normally, that Bosphorus is international water except during times of war so Russia avoided war because it needed access to the Bosphorus.

Putin may have bent down on one knee, but it was not to pay homage to Erdogan, it was to pull the very rug from under the feet of the US. Russia warned Erdogan of the impending coup by some his military and today guess who Erdogan listens to?? Trump? No it good old Vlad. So in one moment of utter idiocy and incompetence the US lost a NATO ally.

That my friend is why Putin is the master. Even Trump admires him.

Bilbao

pre 6 godina

RS on its own is financially unviable so it would join with Serbia.
(sj, 14 November 2017 09:22)

So would that not lead to Kosovo joining Albania? just wondering how will that pan out!

sj

pre 6 godina

It seems you have a short memory. Please recall Erdogen shot down two Russian jets, killing the Russian pilots, while Putin genuflected to the Turk and presented him with a jar of lubricant.
(Moderate Serb, 14 November 2017 03:48)

If Putin went to war with Turkey, there would be very little left of Turkey using just conventional weapons. Erdogan was set up by part of the Turkish military working for the US and that is why the two planes were shot down.

The US required an incident to close the Bosphorus to stop the resupply of weapons to Russian troops in Syria. Normally, that Bosphorus is international water except during times of war so Russia avoided war because it needed access to the Bosphorus.

Putin may have bent down on one knee, but it was not to pay homage to Erdogan, it was to pull the very rug from under the feet of the US. Russia warned Erdogan of the impending coup by some his military and today guess who Erdogan listens to?? Trump? No it good old Vlad. So in one moment of utter idiocy and incompetence the US lost a NATO ally.

That my friend is why Putin is the master. Even Trump admires him.

sj

pre 6 godina

(Bilbao, 13 November 2017 13:38)

It’s not what I want, it’s up to Serbs living in RS to decide whether they want to be part of BiH.

Don’t be fooled, RS will declare its independence from BiH, but it’s a matter of timing. The fact that BiH does not have an independent judiciary or prosecution office but controlled by Izetbegovic is destroying BiH. It’s doing Dodik’s work for him.

The “great powers” would have removed Dodik a long time ago, but Milorad has one person on his side called Vladimir Putin and it is up to Putin to give the green light on the timing of the break. Russia is playing a bigger game throughout Europe so at this time it may not be convenient to break up BiH.

Let me repeat, it’s not up to Dodik when RS breaks away. It’s up to Putin. All Dodik is doing is preparing the ground work.

RS on its own is financially unviable so it would join with Serbia.

Joe A

pre 6 godina

icj1, 14 November 2017 04:44
You don't get it. The ruling says that the adoption of the declaration did not violate international law. But that does not mean that the actual independence is legal or a fait compli in that matter. It merely implies that anybody can declare independence.
If they wanted to be non-ambiguous they would have stated more concretely that the independence is legal. Now they merely said that the adoption of the declaration did not violate international law.
They could not have stated that the independence was legal because that would have violated international laws on territorial integrity, on international laws on sovereignty and international laws on federations. Plus it would have violated the Helsinki accord.

sj

pre 6 godina

(CarLazar, 13 November 2017 13:54)

Another Croatian nincompoop having fantasies of Croatia the great LOL. Croatia does not have an air force let alone 20,000 armed and equipped reservists to attack a comatosed granny.

Where do you get this stuff from? Ustashi meetings? LOL. To have 20,000 troops you need support such as airpower, tanks, artillery etc, none of which is in Croatia’s military inventory. You guys can’t afford to buy new fighter jets let alone take over Brcko. Will you stop having these fantasies; this is 2017 not 1995. Croatia and the Federation don’t have the arms to attack RS. Please stop playing with your doodle.



But say Croatia had 20,000 reservists and they went into RS that would mean Croatia is invading another country and it would be abandoned by NATO much like what happened to Turkey after it shot down a Russian plane. That would mean Croatia would have 20,000 less citizens LOL.

There will be no war. When the timing is right Vladimir Putin will give RS the green light and they will hold the referendum to break away and not a peep will be heard from anyone.

This Izetbegovic mouthing off and nothing more.

Betsy Lalich

pre 6 godina

So we have the Jihadist "Bosniak" (an invented name) discussing matters with the German collaborators. KOSOVO IS SERBIA and so is most of Bosnia if they choose to be. The others are our Croatian brothers. We all may have differences, but NO ONE wants or needs an Islamic presence, tied to Turkey, except the age old Muslim occupiers. Dear people they may be as friends, even family or neighbors, but they conquered by oppression or submission. No more !

icj1

pre 6 godina

Also, what would Bosnia recognizing bring Kosovo? Nothing! It would remain the same for them because they still need BG recognition to attain legalization od becoming a Republic.
(Watcher, 13 November 2017 15:58)

Well, that's according to you. According to Kosovo, Kosovo does not need any "BG recognition" (whatever that is) to attain legalization and becoming a Republic. Obviously what Kosovo thinks about Kosovo is what matters, not what a certain "Watcher" thinks.
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A deal needs to be negotiated between Pristina & BG that's both can live with....
(Watcher, 13 November 2017 15:58)

A deal about what, dear?!
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and time in on BG's side....seems the "masters" of "kosova" are losing their inter...I mean, grip!
(Watcher, 13 November 2017 15:58)

That is great news. Make sure to tell that to BG as soon as possible lol

icj1

pre 6 godina

that ruling that was very ambiguous
(Joe A, 13 November 2017 16:20)

That ruling said, I quote, "the adoption of the declaration of independence of 17 February 2008 did not violate general international law, Security Council resolution 1244 (1999) or the Constitutional Framework". Which part is ambiguous to you, dear?!
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Catalunya cites the ICJ Kosovo ruling as a precedent. I think so does Donbass.
(Joe A, 13 November 2017 16:20)

Ok, then what?! Is your point that Catalunya and Donbass are wrong (since they did not declare anything on 17 February 2008 and therefore the ruling above does not apply to them)?!

icj1

pre 6 godina

I also see a possibility for Serbia to take all of BiH. Something Putin and Erdogan could agree to.
(Zoran, 13 November 2017 15:47)

That means that Putin and Erdogan want Serbia's destruction!

Moderate Serb

pre 6 godina

Its Moscow that calls these shots not Ankara.
(sj , 13 November 2017 12:11)


It seems you have a short memory. Please recall Erdogen shot down two Russian jets, killing the Russian pilots, while Putin genuflected to the Turk and presented him with a jar of lubricant.

Carlazar

pre 6 godina

Then your descendants will die at the hands of the Muslims or be treated like the Christians are in the ME and I am sure will curse you till the day they die for leaving them the mess.
You see, Muslims breed like rabbits and will eventually be the majority needed to subdue you all, just like in Lebanon.
Don't be so short sighted. Your ancestors gave their lives to rid themselves of Islam and here you are ready to accept it because you don't want any problems.
You are going to have far more problems unless you sort it out now.
(Peggy, 14 November 2017 00:22)

Peggy have you lost a child or brother or sister during the war of the 1990s, did you live through it?

If you have not lived and not willing to sacrifice your children or grandchildren don't tell us who live here how to behave, if you live in Serbia, you will be safe, if you live abroad you won't care except to talk from far.

Words are cheap, where do you live?
Come and see conditions people live here due to corruption, we need to lear to coexist enough lies and patriotism we have had enough.

Peggy

pre 6 godina

Maybe Putin likes to poke EU/US in the eye with Bosnia but not with our children none of my sons should die for Dodik to stay in power or Putin to play geopolitical games.
(CarLazar, 13 November 2017 13:54)
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Then your descendants will die at the hands of the Muslims or be treated like the Christians are in the ME and I am sure will curse you till the day they die for leaving them the mess.
You see, Muslims breed like rabbits and will eventually be the majority needed to subdue you all, just like in Lebanon.
Don't be so short sighted. Your ancestors gave their lives to rid themselves of Islam and here you are ready to accept it because you don't want any problems.
You are going to have far more problems unless you sort it out now.

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 6 godina

Good grief. We've gone from the laughable to the totally absurd. Perhaps BiH should focus on it's own gross dysfunctional state before extending recognition to the apartheid ghettos of other countries. Bakir: the rotten apple obviously didn't fall from the sick tree.

ivan

pre 6 godina

@ rote kapelle

Thank you for the history lesson but I know it too well. Yes, we do have a problem with the Bosniaks in that they are trying to be more Muslim than Muslims themselves and knowing their ancestry fully well. Have you ever heard of the expression, "going back to my roots." Well this is what they should do much like Lepa Brena and Kosturica to name a few. The Bosnian king at the time thought that it would have been easier to convert and then go back to Christianity. Well five hundred years later and look at the shit we have. I have respect for those whose religion originated as Islam however, I have no respect for those who betrayed who they really are, and even worst, have become more Muslim than Muslims themselves.

Joe A

pre 6 godina

First of all, they can't do it and second the moment that they do then RS can also declare independence. The ICJ Kosovo ruling means that anybody can declare independence. Not that that independence itself would be legal but the declaring it would not violate international law (according to that ruling that was very ambiguous). Catalunya cites the ICJ Kosovo ruling as a precedent. I think so does Donbass. They opened up Pandora's box with this ruling.

rote kapelle

pre 6 godina

They want to impose their Sharia law wherever they are the majority. Let the country dissolve and let the Muslims either convert back to their ancestral heritage or go to Arabia. I have always wondered why are they retaining their ancestral Serbian last name if they hate the Serbs so much? Why don't they just go totally Arab?
(ivan, 13 November 2017 15:14)

Don't make accent on Islam as it once was part of the Orthodox belief. Bosnians in a great degree were forced to accept Islam in 17-18 centuries. It was the time when the Osmans had to introduce their own religion to withstand the Romanovs and their German masters. Bosniaks lived more or less in peace with us before 20-th century and they too are victims of the fall of the SFRY. Same process happened to the USSR and it's our own fault that we afforded to be weak & naiive like schoolgirls. Bosniaks are our own problem to be solved without NATO and Turkey whose president is sitting with Putin right now.

Ari Gold

pre 6 godina

Silly Bakir, you are incapabale of doing it. No doubt you would of a long time ago if you could, but you simply dont have the power under the Dayton to make such a unilateral decision on your own.

The only time you can do that is if and when RS splits from Bosnia, but then nobody will care what you do.

BeliOraoSrbija

pre 6 godina

Man he needs to lay off the crack pipe like the talibanians that come here because they have no life, he can recognize that he is a rtard.
Only knows how to talk shit and steal from international donors.
Just trying save him self from being forgotten.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

The region is still a mess. Just goes to show the western alliance have no clue how to build peace. Seems they are only good at destruction, as we see all over the world. They create one chaotic mess after another.

It is only a rump BiH that can recognise "Kosova"***, i.e. a BiH without RS otherwise there is no point even considering it. With all the geopolitical changes we are seeing and the situation in Catalonia, I wouldn't be surprised if an opportunity for RS to declare independence surfaces although I also see a possibility for Serbia to take all of BiH. Something Putin and Erdogan could agree to.

However, that said, I don't think anyone in BiH has an appetite for war, which could have been avoided if it wasn't for the US and Germany.

Mike Canada

pre 6 godina

Bilbao Serbia has nothing to do with R.S. It would become its own state. Like Kosovo. If it can happen in Kosovo Ukraine why not Bosnia.... To be honest They should just start a Balkan Union and rebuild. Problem with these people is they can live with or with out one another. When something is not working you break it down and rebuild it.

ivan

pre 6 godina

Let's face the facts. The different ethnic groups are being forced to live in one country with each other against their own will. Who the hell is the US to impose this, after all, they are 7000 miles away and this is none of their f***ing business! The Muslims cannot stand the Serb and the Croats in as much as the latter cannot stand them therefore, the only logical conclusion is for everyone to go their merry way. But no, the Muslims want to keep the country together in hopes of reproducing like rabbits to eventually out number the other two. They want to impose their Sharia law wherever they are the majority. Let the country dissolve and let the Muslims either convert back to their ancestral heritage or go to Arabia. I have always wondered why are they retaining their ancestral Serbian last name if they hate the Serbs so much? Why don't they just go totally Arab?

Watcher

pre 6 godina

I don't think recognizing Kosovo will bring the Bosnians any benefit whatsoever. If they do recognize, then that opens the door for RS to also break away. It would be hypocritical of Sarajevo to say the Albs in Kosovo can, but the Srbs in Bosnia cannot.
Also, what would Bosnia recognizing bring Kosovo? Nothing! It would remain the same for them because they still need BG recognition to attain legalization od becoming a Republic. You can carry on the current farce, however, you still have the same problem...0 investment, and without this, same hole! A deal needs to be negotiated between Pristina & BG that's both can live with....and time in on BG's side....seems the "masters" of "kosova" are losing their inter...I mean, grip!

Bilbao

pre 6 godina

Its suffice to say when the green light is given to RS she will hold a referendum and break away from BiH and no one will lift a finger. Izetbegovic is talking through his arse.
Anyone recall all the fuss over a referendum about the day of the Serb Republic? Putin gave the green light and it was held and, despite some half effort from the Bosniaks to have it legal extinguished, it’s now official.

(sj, 13 November 2017 12:11)

SJ I would love for RS to declare independence! If Dodik is really trying to do this then he must, otherwise, he is just using it as a political ploy for votes!

Question: would it be a independent state or join Serbia?

Bilbao

pre 6 godina

What will happen is RS will become in-depended and both countries will be better off.
(Mike Canada, 13 November 2017 11:56)

Mike so what there will be two Serbian States in Balkans: Republic Serbia and Serbska?

Would Serbia it self-accept this?

CarLazar

pre 6 godina

The election year is approaching, and journalists want to ask questions. Such as (primarily geographically), the RS cannot merely be independent, and there is no point in seeking independence based on human rights violations or the right to self-determination.
Serbs in the RS have perhaps the highest degree of autonomy in Europe, certified and signed, which they do not know how to organize them so that the second pair of sleeves is better.
Serbia signed the Dayton Accords and thus assumed their share of the obligation towards the UN member state. Abandoning these commitments is a bit bigger bite.

Of course, all this is true if it goes according to international law. If we go through the force, then let us all help God.

When Dodik pushed referendum, you had 20,000 reservists ready from Croatia to jump on Brcko, Vucic was on the phone with Dodik telling him not to play games.

"SJ" Maybe you like this war, but us living here do not. Maybe Putin likes to poke EU/US in the eye with Bosnia but not with our children none of my sons should die for Dodik to stay in power or Putin to play geopolitical games.

lying hypocrite!

pre 6 godina

"Izetbegovic said that "the majority will be on the side of defending territorial integrity of BiH."??? What about defending the "territorial integrity" of Yugoslavia back in the 1990s? Izetbegovics criminal father illegally declared independence and started the horrible war in Bosnia!

sj

pre 6 godina

Its suffice to say when the green light is given to RS she will hold a referendum and break away from BiH and no one will lift a finger. Izetbegovic is talking through his arse.
Anyone recall all the fuss over a referendum about the day of the Serb Republic? Putin gave the green light and it was held and, despite some half effort from the Bosniaks to have it legal extinguished, it’s now official.

Should little Izzy even think that his Bosniaks would take up arms against the Serbs in the event of RS breaking away, let’s just say there will be no more problems with Muslims in that region.

On the matter of Izzy being Erdogan’s man in the Balkans LOL? Erdogan has very few friends since his allies the US/EU arranged a coup to remove him from office and Russia saving him. Its Moscow that calls these shots not Ankara.

lying hypocrite!

pre 6 godina

"Izetbegovic said that "the majority will be on the side of defending territorial integrity of BiH."??? What about defending the "territorial integrity" of Yugoslavia back in the 1990s? Izetbegovics criminal father illegally declared independence and started the horrible war in Bosnia!

Ari Gold

pre 6 godina

Silly Bakir, you are incapabale of doing it. No doubt you would of a long time ago if you could, but you simply dont have the power under the Dayton to make such a unilateral decision on your own.

The only time you can do that is if and when RS splits from Bosnia, but then nobody will care what you do.

Joe A

pre 6 godina

First of all, they can't do it and second the moment that they do then RS can also declare independence. The ICJ Kosovo ruling means that anybody can declare independence. Not that that independence itself would be legal but the declaring it would not violate international law (according to that ruling that was very ambiguous). Catalunya cites the ICJ Kosovo ruling as a precedent. I think so does Donbass. They opened up Pandora's box with this ruling.

ivan

pre 6 godina

Let's face the facts. The different ethnic groups are being forced to live in one country with each other against their own will. Who the hell is the US to impose this, after all, they are 7000 miles away and this is none of their f***ing business! The Muslims cannot stand the Serb and the Croats in as much as the latter cannot stand them therefore, the only logical conclusion is for everyone to go their merry way. But no, the Muslims want to keep the country together in hopes of reproducing like rabbits to eventually out number the other two. They want to impose their Sharia law wherever they are the majority. Let the country dissolve and let the Muslims either convert back to their ancestral heritage or go to Arabia. I have always wondered why are they retaining their ancestral Serbian last name if they hate the Serbs so much? Why don't they just go totally Arab?

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 6 godina

Good grief. We've gone from the laughable to the totally absurd. Perhaps BiH should focus on it's own gross dysfunctional state before extending recognition to the apartheid ghettos of other countries. Bakir: the rotten apple obviously didn't fall from the sick tree.

sj

pre 6 godina

Its suffice to say when the green light is given to RS she will hold a referendum and break away from BiH and no one will lift a finger. Izetbegovic is talking through his arse.
Anyone recall all the fuss over a referendum about the day of the Serb Republic? Putin gave the green light and it was held and, despite some half effort from the Bosniaks to have it legal extinguished, it’s now official.

Should little Izzy even think that his Bosniaks would take up arms against the Serbs in the event of RS breaking away, let’s just say there will be no more problems with Muslims in that region.

On the matter of Izzy being Erdogan’s man in the Balkans LOL? Erdogan has very few friends since his allies the US/EU arranged a coup to remove him from office and Russia saving him. Its Moscow that calls these shots not Ankara.

Watcher

pre 6 godina

I don't think recognizing Kosovo will bring the Bosnians any benefit whatsoever. If they do recognize, then that opens the door for RS to also break away. It would be hypocritical of Sarajevo to say the Albs in Kosovo can, but the Srbs in Bosnia cannot.
Also, what would Bosnia recognizing bring Kosovo? Nothing! It would remain the same for them because they still need BG recognition to attain legalization od becoming a Republic. You can carry on the current farce, however, you still have the same problem...0 investment, and without this, same hole! A deal needs to be negotiated between Pristina & BG that's both can live with....and time in on BG's side....seems the "masters" of "kosova" are losing their inter...I mean, grip!

ivan

pre 6 godina

@ rote kapelle

Thank you for the history lesson but I know it too well. Yes, we do have a problem with the Bosniaks in that they are trying to be more Muslim than Muslims themselves and knowing their ancestry fully well. Have you ever heard of the expression, "going back to my roots." Well this is what they should do much like Lepa Brena and Kosturica to name a few. The Bosnian king at the time thought that it would have been easier to convert and then go back to Christianity. Well five hundred years later and look at the shit we have. I have respect for those whose religion originated as Islam however, I have no respect for those who betrayed who they really are, and even worst, have become more Muslim than Muslims themselves.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

The region is still a mess. Just goes to show the western alliance have no clue how to build peace. Seems they are only good at destruction, as we see all over the world. They create one chaotic mess after another.

It is only a rump BiH that can recognise "Kosova"***, i.e. a BiH without RS otherwise there is no point even considering it. With all the geopolitical changes we are seeing and the situation in Catalonia, I wouldn't be surprised if an opportunity for RS to declare independence surfaces although I also see a possibility for Serbia to take all of BiH. Something Putin and Erdogan could agree to.

However, that said, I don't think anyone in BiH has an appetite for war, which could have been avoided if it wasn't for the US and Germany.

BeliOraoSrbija

pre 6 godina

Man he needs to lay off the crack pipe like the talibanians that come here because they have no life, he can recognize that he is a rtard.
Only knows how to talk shit and steal from international donors.
Just trying save him self from being forgotten.

CarLazar

pre 6 godina

The election year is approaching, and journalists want to ask questions. Such as (primarily geographically), the RS cannot merely be independent, and there is no point in seeking independence based on human rights violations or the right to self-determination.
Serbs in the RS have perhaps the highest degree of autonomy in Europe, certified and signed, which they do not know how to organize them so that the second pair of sleeves is better.
Serbia signed the Dayton Accords and thus assumed their share of the obligation towards the UN member state. Abandoning these commitments is a bit bigger bite.

Of course, all this is true if it goes according to international law. If we go through the force, then let us all help God.

When Dodik pushed referendum, you had 20,000 reservists ready from Croatia to jump on Brcko, Vucic was on the phone with Dodik telling him not to play games.

"SJ" Maybe you like this war, but us living here do not. Maybe Putin likes to poke EU/US in the eye with Bosnia but not with our children none of my sons should die for Dodik to stay in power or Putin to play geopolitical games.

Mike Canada

pre 6 godina

Bilbao Serbia has nothing to do with R.S. It would become its own state. Like Kosovo. If it can happen in Kosovo Ukraine why not Bosnia.... To be honest They should just start a Balkan Union and rebuild. Problem with these people is they can live with or with out one another. When something is not working you break it down and rebuild it.

Peggy

pre 6 godina

Maybe Putin likes to poke EU/US in the eye with Bosnia but not with our children none of my sons should die for Dodik to stay in power or Putin to play geopolitical games.
(CarLazar, 13 November 2017 13:54)
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Then your descendants will die at the hands of the Muslims or be treated like the Christians are in the ME and I am sure will curse you till the day they die for leaving them the mess.
You see, Muslims breed like rabbits and will eventually be the majority needed to subdue you all, just like in Lebanon.
Don't be so short sighted. Your ancestors gave their lives to rid themselves of Islam and here you are ready to accept it because you don't want any problems.
You are going to have far more problems unless you sort it out now.

Bilbao

pre 6 godina

What will happen is RS will become in-depended and both countries will be better off.
(Mike Canada, 13 November 2017 11:56)

Mike so what there will be two Serbian States in Balkans: Republic Serbia and Serbska?

Would Serbia it self-accept this?

rote kapelle

pre 6 godina

They want to impose their Sharia law wherever they are the majority. Let the country dissolve and let the Muslims either convert back to their ancestral heritage or go to Arabia. I have always wondered why are they retaining their ancestral Serbian last name if they hate the Serbs so much? Why don't they just go totally Arab?
(ivan, 13 November 2017 15:14)

Don't make accent on Islam as it once was part of the Orthodox belief. Bosnians in a great degree were forced to accept Islam in 17-18 centuries. It was the time when the Osmans had to introduce their own religion to withstand the Romanovs and their German masters. Bosniaks lived more or less in peace with us before 20-th century and they too are victims of the fall of the SFRY. Same process happened to the USSR and it's our own fault that we afforded to be weak & naiive like schoolgirls. Bosniaks are our own problem to be solved without NATO and Turkey whose president is sitting with Putin right now.

Sasa from Near Jagodina City

pre 6 godina

If you have not lived and not willing to sacrifice your children or grandchildren don't tell us who live here how to behave, if you live in Serbia, you will be safe, if you live abroad you won't care except to talk from far.

Words are cheap, where do you live?
Come and see conditions people live here due to corruption, we need to lear to coexist enough lies and patriotism we have had enough.
(Carlazar, 14 November 2017 01:02) # Comment

To Carlazar,
I live near Jagodina and experience the life in Serbia for last 4 years. People are living much better then 4 years ago .
A lot of people complain about the conditions of their living while sitting for majority of their day drinking in cafe's and bar's .
If you want to work in Serbia to get a head, like in the western countries, You can ))
I am sick of lazy people complaining about the cost of living and how it use to be much better in their parent's time ( in Australia, USA , Germany, Austria and even in Serbia).
Remember, in Serbia 10 per cent of population are renters while in Western Countries more then 60 per cent are non home owners and pay rent.
Serbs are not Ghetto in like Albanian,and can leave anytime.

Bilbao

pre 6 godina

Its suffice to say when the green light is given to RS she will hold a referendum and break away from BiH and no one will lift a finger. Izetbegovic is talking through his arse.
Anyone recall all the fuss over a referendum about the day of the Serb Republic? Putin gave the green light and it was held and, despite some half effort from the Bosniaks to have it legal extinguished, it’s now official.

(sj, 13 November 2017 12:11)

SJ I would love for RS to declare independence! If Dodik is really trying to do this then he must, otherwise, he is just using it as a political ploy for votes!

Question: would it be a independent state or join Serbia?

Peggy

pre 6 godina

Come and see conditions people live here due to corruption, we need to lear to coexist enough lies and patriotism we have had enough.
(Carlazar, 14 November 2017 01:02)
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Oh I agree that we need to learn to live together but tell that to the Muslims not me. We are not and never have been the problem.
Do you not see that? Did you even read my reply?
I don't want anyone's kids to die but if this is not sorted out now, there will be no hope of sorting it out later on.
Just remember Lebanon. Do you want you descendants to curse your name because they are living under Islam? They will get the upper hand no matter how hard you try to get along with them.
So would you rather sort this out now when you have a chance or leave it for future generations to have to become refugees like the Christians of Lebanon?

sj

pre 6 godina

So would that not lead to Kosovo joining Albania? just wondering how will that pan out!
(Bilbao, 14 November 2017 10:59)

No it cannot. RS was created under the Dayton Agreement and in that same agreement there is a clause which allows for a referendum to be held if RS so wished to break away from BiH. There is no such agreement or clause where Kosovo is concerned.

Kosovo was created as a separate country by the US without any reference to the then constitution of Yugoslavia or its people.

CarLazar

pre 6 godina

(CarLazar, 13 November 2017 13:54)

Another Croatian nincompoop having fantasies of Croatia the great LOL. Croatia does not have an air force let alone 20,000 armed and equipped reservists to attack a comatosed granny.

(sj, 14 November 2017 09:49)

I am not sure you are reading my name and my comment, I am a SERB!!!

Jagodina,

I have a business and do not need a lecture from you to tell me how to live and speak the truth, I am not speaking about my self and why should I move to Serbia to make a living when I live in Bosnia?

I am speaking about majoraty, not because they are lasy but due to no opportunity, do you know how much a Dr makes in Serbia or Bosnia? Unless you want them to ask for bribes?

Betsy Lalich

pre 6 godina

Until B92 acts like a real news site, it will have no respect. Anyone with false names can make ridiculous or abusive comments. You hold no one accountable. This is no longer news required under a dictatorship. No one needs to hide anymore. Get professional !

Zoran

pre 6 godina

Please recall Erdogen shot down two Russian jets...
(Moderate Serb, 14 November 2017 03:48)
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LOL! Erdogan didn't shoot down Russian jets. It was the US in cahoots with the Turkish army and since the attempted coup, those Turkish generals and army personnel are all locked up.

Erdogan is now Putin's b!tch while Putin controls the Middle East and soon the Balkans. With a pinch of truth, a bit of persuasion and ejecting some politicians, it won't take too much for the Bosnian Muslims to side with the Serbs.

Lenard

pre 6 godina

Poor sj always so confused since he left the sheep station in the outback. His job following sheep and picking their droppings putting them in bags ahhh. Again the poor fellow is confused it is https://inserbia.info/today/2014/06/serbia-soon-without-air-force/ Serbian air force run in to the ground by technical Serbs. So is most of the Serb "army" equipment no fuel, parts etc most of it 1970's era antiques.

icj1

pre 6 godina

Also, what would Bosnia recognizing bring Kosovo? Nothing! It would remain the same for them because they still need BG recognition to attain legalization od becoming a Republic.
(Watcher, 13 November 2017 15:58)

Well, that's according to you. According to Kosovo, Kosovo does not need any "BG recognition" (whatever that is) to attain legalization and becoming a Republic. Obviously what Kosovo thinks about Kosovo is what matters, not what a certain "Watcher" thinks.
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A deal needs to be negotiated between Pristina & BG that's both can live with....
(Watcher, 13 November 2017 15:58)

A deal about what, dear?!
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and time in on BG's side....seems the "masters" of "kosova" are losing their inter...I mean, grip!
(Watcher, 13 November 2017 15:58)

That is great news. Make sure to tell that to BG as soon as possible lol

icj1

pre 6 godina

that ruling that was very ambiguous
(Joe A, 13 November 2017 16:20)

That ruling said, I quote, "the adoption of the declaration of independence of 17 February 2008 did not violate general international law, Security Council resolution 1244 (1999) or the Constitutional Framework". Which part is ambiguous to you, dear?!
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Catalunya cites the ICJ Kosovo ruling as a precedent. I think so does Donbass.
(Joe A, 13 November 2017 16:20)

Ok, then what?! Is your point that Catalunya and Donbass are wrong (since they did not declare anything on 17 February 2008 and therefore the ruling above does not apply to them)?!

sj

pre 6 godina

(Bilbao, 13 November 2017 13:38)

It’s not what I want, it’s up to Serbs living in RS to decide whether they want to be part of BiH.

Don’t be fooled, RS will declare its independence from BiH, but it’s a matter of timing. The fact that BiH does not have an independent judiciary or prosecution office but controlled by Izetbegovic is destroying BiH. It’s doing Dodik’s work for him.

The “great powers” would have removed Dodik a long time ago, but Milorad has one person on his side called Vladimir Putin and it is up to Putin to give the green light on the timing of the break. Russia is playing a bigger game throughout Europe so at this time it may not be convenient to break up BiH.

Let me repeat, it’s not up to Dodik when RS breaks away. It’s up to Putin. All Dodik is doing is preparing the ground work.

RS on its own is financially unviable so it would join with Serbia.

sj

pre 6 godina

I am not sure you are reading my name and my comment, I am a SERB!!!

(CarLazar, 14 November 2017 15:25)

On this site there are many people who make claims that they are Serbs, but the vast majority are not what they say.

Now as I said before there is no way Izetbegovic can use arms against RS because they have been disarmed. So unless they have an air force, tank regiments and missile batteries it’s all hot air from little Izzy plus Serbia guarantees the safety of RS. Little Izzy is supported by the US and their hanger on and it’s in their interest to keep the “pot boiling”.

On the issue of Croatian reservist, let me tell you that in about 2 weeks Croatian military bases will be closed until the end of February. Its something instituted several years ago to save money. Croatia does not have an air force nor sufficient tanks to fight an aggressive grandmother. This mythology of Croatian troops entering Brcko if RS was to break away (LOL) comes from the end of the war in Bosnia. Croatia does not have the funds to organise a piss up in a pub.

Even if Croatia could do what you claim they would be invading another country and there is no way key NATO countries would get involved if Serbia started to level Croatia. Plus, Russia guarantees the existence of RS.

So I’d sleep easy and not worry the BS being spread.

When the time comes the referendum will be held and RS will leave BiH and not a peep will come from anyone.

icj1

pre 6 godina

I also see a possibility for Serbia to take all of BiH. Something Putin and Erdogan could agree to.
(Zoran, 13 November 2017 15:47)

That means that Putin and Erdogan want Serbia's destruction!

sj

pre 6 godina

It seems you have a short memory. Please recall Erdogen shot down two Russian jets, killing the Russian pilots, while Putin genuflected to the Turk and presented him with a jar of lubricant.
(Moderate Serb, 14 November 2017 03:48)

If Putin went to war with Turkey, there would be very little left of Turkey using just conventional weapons. Erdogan was set up by part of the Turkish military working for the US and that is why the two planes were shot down.

The US required an incident to close the Bosphorus to stop the resupply of weapons to Russian troops in Syria. Normally, that Bosphorus is international water except during times of war so Russia avoided war because it needed access to the Bosphorus.

Putin may have bent down on one knee, but it was not to pay homage to Erdogan, it was to pull the very rug from under the feet of the US. Russia warned Erdogan of the impending coup by some his military and today guess who Erdogan listens to?? Trump? No it good old Vlad. So in one moment of utter idiocy and incompetence the US lost a NATO ally.

That my friend is why Putin is the master. Even Trump admires him.

Bilbao

pre 6 godina

RS on its own is financially unviable so it would join with Serbia.
(sj, 14 November 2017 09:22)

So would that not lead to Kosovo joining Albania? just wondering how will that pan out!

Carlazar

pre 6 godina

Then your descendants will die at the hands of the Muslims or be treated like the Christians are in the ME and I am sure will curse you till the day they die for leaving them the mess.
You see, Muslims breed like rabbits and will eventually be the majority needed to subdue you all, just like in Lebanon.
Don't be so short sighted. Your ancestors gave their lives to rid themselves of Islam and here you are ready to accept it because you don't want any problems.
You are going to have far more problems unless you sort it out now.
(Peggy, 14 November 2017 00:22)

Peggy have you lost a child or brother or sister during the war of the 1990s, did you live through it?

If you have not lived and not willing to sacrifice your children or grandchildren don't tell us who live here how to behave, if you live in Serbia, you will be safe, if you live abroad you won't care except to talk from far.

Words are cheap, where do you live?
Come and see conditions people live here due to corruption, we need to lear to coexist enough lies and patriotism we have had enough.

Moderate Serb

pre 6 godina

Its Moscow that calls these shots not Ankara.
(sj , 13 November 2017 12:11)


It seems you have a short memory. Please recall Erdogen shot down two Russian jets, killing the Russian pilots, while Putin genuflected to the Turk and presented him with a jar of lubricant.

sj

pre 6 godina

It seems you have a short memory. Please recall Erdogen shot down two Russian jets, killing the Russian pilots, while Putin genuflected to the Turk and presented him with a jar of lubricant.
(Moderate Serb, 14 November 2017 03:48)

If Putin went to war with Turkey, there would be very little left of Turkey using just conventional weapons. Erdogan was set up by part of the Turkish military working for the US and that is why the two planes were shot down.

The US required an incident to close the Bosphorus to stop the resupply of weapons to Russian troops in Syria. Normally, that Bosphorus is international water except during times of war so Russia avoided war because it needed access to the Bosphorus.

Putin may have bent down on one knee, but it was not to pay homage to Erdogan, it was to pull the very rug from under the feet of the US. Russia warned Erdogan of the impending coup by some his military and today guess who Erdogan listens to?? Trump? No it good old Vlad. So in one moment of utter idiocy and incompetence the US lost a NATO ally.

That my friend is why Putin is the master. Even Trump admires him.

icj1

pre 6 godina

The ruling says that the adoption of the declaration did not violate international law. But that does not mean that the actual independence is legal or a fait compli in that matter.
(Joe A, 14 November 2017 09:57)

Of course, because the independence of Kosovo from Serbia was already a fait compli since 1999 lol
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It merely implies that anybody can declare independence.
(Joe A, 14 November 2017 09:57)

Sure, if it is done in accordance with international law, like Kosovo did.
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If they wanted to be non-ambiguous they would have stated more concretely that the independence is legal.
(Joe A, 14 November 2017 09:57)

Well, feel free to ask ICJ to help you understand, because few other people, if any, have any doubt lol

sj

pre 6 godina

Poor sj always so confused since he left the sheep station in the outback. His job following sheep and picking their droppings putting them in bags ahhh. Again the poor fellow is confused it is [link]/ Serbian air force run in to the ground by technical Serbs. So is most of the Serb "army" equipment no fuel, parts etc most of it 1970's era antiques.
(Lenard, 14 November 2017 22:50)

Lenny I only say Croatian military no have enough firepower to subdue angry 90 year old granny. Have Croatian air force fixed those Migs they sent to Ukraine for refurbishment yet? LOL

Croatia has a mighty forec of 600 professional soldiers and a couple of second hand helicopters they got from the US opps I forgot that they paid for. I nearly also forgot those Humvees that "only" needed a spray job but still rusting in a garage in a Zagreb suburb.

I recommend that if Croatian 20,000 reservists attack RS to take over Brcko,
they have rubber ducks to use to cross Sava Rvier.

Serbs know that from December to end of February no worries and make sure your Croats tell Serbs in advance that you need time to save money for fuel to drive old Yugo army trucks. Lenny, if BS was awarded prizes Croats would win hands down year after.

Now back to kitchen and have nice warm coco and take medicine and nurse will tuck you into bed with baton.

sj

pre 6 godina

Would he recognize a highly autonomous Croatian region within Bosnia near as well? Brian Ghilliotti
(Brian Ghilliotti, 15 November 2017 11:58)

Izetbegovic would never tolerate, let alone recognise, any autonomous Croatian region within the Federation half of Bosnia. The Croats are behind the eight ball since they have been bleeding population continuously since the Federation came into force. They are no longer a people in Bosnia, but now a minority.

That’s why you have Cavic sticking with the Serbs in the hope he can salvage something. Highly amusing these Croats, they hate Serbs in Croatia, but seek help from Serbs in Bosnia.

Unlike RS which has specific boundaries stipulated in the Dayton Agreement, the Croats have no agreement or defined border between them and the Bosniaks for it to have any type of autonomy or even break away.

sj

pre 6 godina

(CarLazar, 13 November 2017 13:54)

Another Croatian nincompoop having fantasies of Croatia the great LOL. Croatia does not have an air force let alone 20,000 armed and equipped reservists to attack a comatosed granny.

Where do you get this stuff from? Ustashi meetings? LOL. To have 20,000 troops you need support such as airpower, tanks, artillery etc, none of which is in Croatia’s military inventory. You guys can’t afford to buy new fighter jets let alone take over Brcko. Will you stop having these fantasies; this is 2017 not 1995. Croatia and the Federation don’t have the arms to attack RS. Please stop playing with your doodle.



But say Croatia had 20,000 reservists and they went into RS that would mean Croatia is invading another country and it would be abandoned by NATO much like what happened to Turkey after it shot down a Russian plane. That would mean Croatia would have 20,000 less citizens LOL.

There will be no war. When the timing is right Vladimir Putin will give RS the green light and they will hold the referendum to break away and not a peep will be heard from anyone.

This Izetbegovic mouthing off and nothing more.

Peggy

pre 6 godina

Get professional !
(Betsy Lalich, 14 November 2017 11:21)
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Professional like the New York Times or The Washington Post or perhaps BBC, CNN, NBC, ABC just to name a few?
I suppose you think spreading propaganda is much less dangerous than letting people express how they feel.
I agree, there is quite a lot of abuse here and name calling from the Albanian side especially, but news articles are not rubbish.
I suppose you have a degree in journalism and can judge what is professional and what isn't?

Joe A

pre 6 godina

(icj1, 14 November 2017 15:55
Again, you don't understand it. Law has everything to do with language, the wording used, interpretation and being non-ambiguous. Like any court, the ICJ knows that of course but also knew too well that their verdict had the potential power to set of an avalanche of declarations of independence worldwide. They did not want to piss off their member states by being responsible for a string of declarations of independence. So that is why they opted to keep the wording ambiguous. A factual recognition of Kosovo by the ICJ has no legal basis in international law as I explained. If they would have done that, that would have opened up a can of legal problems worldwide and for the ICJ itself.
As for your other remarks, Kosovo is not recognized by the UNSC (and as long as Serbia does not recognize Kosovo, so will not the UNSC because it requires unanimity); the EU; 5 out of 28 EU countries; about half the world's countries. Kosovo is not part of UNESCO and many other international institutions. Kosovo cannot even use its name without the asterisk. Serbia might not control Kosovo, but as it is now, Kosovo can not move forward. Not to mention it is a dysfunctional state. Basically, it is in a stalemate situation.

Betsy Lalich

pre 6 godina

So we have the Jihadist "Bosniak" (an invented name) discussing matters with the German collaborators. KOSOVO IS SERBIA and so is most of Bosnia if they choose to be. The others are our Croatian brothers. We all may have differences, but NO ONE wants or needs an Islamic presence, tied to Turkey, except the age old Muslim occupiers. Dear people they may be as friends, even family or neighbors, but they conquered by oppression or submission. No more !

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 6 godina

Dear beautiful young lady Ms. Lalich, we conquered also by marriage besides oppression real real cruelty and submission.. Would you marry me and become my ljubavi pashina? I don't need you to breed (oooops abusive term, I mean give birth) as I already have children but we can discuss on how much your croatian brothers love you and how dictatorships work!

Peggy

pre 6 godina

For my "critics" and B92, I stand by my words. Respectable journalism requires people identify themselves.
(Betsy Lalich, 15 November 2017 04:54)
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Except that we are not journalists and we write in the comment section.

icj1

pre 6 godina

(icj1, 14 November 2017 15:55

Again, you don't understand it.
(Joe A, 14 November 2017 22:01)

Well, dear, my understanding is that the adoption of the declaration of independence of 17 February 2008 did not violate general international law, Security Council resolution 1244 (1999) or the Constitutional Framework. What part of my understanding is incorrect?!

Joe A

pre 6 godina

icj1, 14 November 2017 04:44
You don't get it. The ruling says that the adoption of the declaration did not violate international law. But that does not mean that the actual independence is legal or a fait compli in that matter. It merely implies that anybody can declare independence.
If they wanted to be non-ambiguous they would have stated more concretely that the independence is legal. Now they merely said that the adoption of the declaration did not violate international law.
They could not have stated that the independence was legal because that would have violated international laws on territorial integrity, on international laws on sovereignty and international laws on federations. Plus it would have violated the Helsinki accord.

Who cares

pre 6 godina

I know that most people on this website hate Serbs, but the fact that anyone can upvote anything Lennard says is just ridiculus to me.
Seriously, the dude lacks basic knowladge on anything, why do you people think he knows anything about military?

It's kind of sad that everything he writes is factualy incorrect.

sj

pre 6 godina

Well, dear, my understanding is that the adoption of the declaration of independence of 17 February 2008 did not violate general international law, Security Council resolution 1244 (1999) or the Constitutional Framework. What part of my understanding is incorrect?!
(icj1, 16 November 2017 21:17)

My dear I doubt you understand anything at all. Trying to explain legalistic nuances to you is like trying to explain it to a rock - you just don't get as it flies right over your head and you keep quoting the same old stuff someone wrote for you ages ago.

Lets try and see if it sinks in this time - keeping fingers crossed.

A declaration of independence is not illegal since declarations are not covered by international law. However, separating from a country is covered by international law. What you need to do is seek from the international court to rule that Kosovo's separation was legal and thus remove any doubt and prove to Serbs it was legal.

If you even attempted that one the US would string you guys up LOL.

sj

pre 6 godina

Its suffice to say when the green light is given to RS she will hold a referendum and break away from BiH and no one will lift a finger. Izetbegovic is talking through his arse.
Anyone recall all the fuss over a referendum about the day of the Serb Republic? Putin gave the green light and it was held and, despite some half effort from the Bosniaks to have it legal extinguished, it’s now official.

Should little Izzy even think that his Bosniaks would take up arms against the Serbs in the event of RS breaking away, let’s just say there will be no more problems with Muslims in that region.

On the matter of Izzy being Erdogan’s man in the Balkans LOL? Erdogan has very few friends since his allies the US/EU arranged a coup to remove him from office and Russia saving him. Its Moscow that calls these shots not Ankara.

Watcher

pre 6 godina

I don't think recognizing Kosovo will bring the Bosnians any benefit whatsoever. If they do recognize, then that opens the door for RS to also break away. It would be hypocritical of Sarajevo to say the Albs in Kosovo can, but the Srbs in Bosnia cannot.
Also, what would Bosnia recognizing bring Kosovo? Nothing! It would remain the same for them because they still need BG recognition to attain legalization od becoming a Republic. You can carry on the current farce, however, you still have the same problem...0 investment, and without this, same hole! A deal needs to be negotiated between Pristina & BG that's both can live with....and time in on BG's side....seems the "masters" of "kosova" are losing their inter...I mean, grip!

lying hypocrite!

pre 6 godina

"Izetbegovic said that "the majority will be on the side of defending territorial integrity of BiH."??? What about defending the "territorial integrity" of Yugoslavia back in the 1990s? Izetbegovics criminal father illegally declared independence and started the horrible war in Bosnia!

rote kapelle

pre 6 godina

They want to impose their Sharia law wherever they are the majority. Let the country dissolve and let the Muslims either convert back to their ancestral heritage or go to Arabia. I have always wondered why are they retaining their ancestral Serbian last name if they hate the Serbs so much? Why don't they just go totally Arab?
(ivan, 13 November 2017 15:14)

Don't make accent on Islam as it once was part of the Orthodox belief. Bosnians in a great degree were forced to accept Islam in 17-18 centuries. It was the time when the Osmans had to introduce their own religion to withstand the Romanovs and their German masters. Bosniaks lived more or less in peace with us before 20-th century and they too are victims of the fall of the SFRY. Same process happened to the USSR and it's our own fault that we afforded to be weak & naiive like schoolgirls. Bosniaks are our own problem to be solved without NATO and Turkey whose president is sitting with Putin right now.

Ari Gold

pre 6 godina

Silly Bakir, you are incapabale of doing it. No doubt you would of a long time ago if you could, but you simply dont have the power under the Dayton to make such a unilateral decision on your own.

The only time you can do that is if and when RS splits from Bosnia, but then nobody will care what you do.

Joe A

pre 6 godina

First of all, they can't do it and second the moment that they do then RS can also declare independence. The ICJ Kosovo ruling means that anybody can declare independence. Not that that independence itself would be legal but the declaring it would not violate international law (according to that ruling that was very ambiguous). Catalunya cites the ICJ Kosovo ruling as a precedent. I think so does Donbass. They opened up Pandora's box with this ruling.

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 6 godina

Good grief. We've gone from the laughable to the totally absurd. Perhaps BiH should focus on it's own gross dysfunctional state before extending recognition to the apartheid ghettos of other countries. Bakir: the rotten apple obviously didn't fall from the sick tree.

ivan

pre 6 godina

Let's face the facts. The different ethnic groups are being forced to live in one country with each other against their own will. Who the hell is the US to impose this, after all, they are 7000 miles away and this is none of their f***ing business! The Muslims cannot stand the Serb and the Croats in as much as the latter cannot stand them therefore, the only logical conclusion is for everyone to go their merry way. But no, the Muslims want to keep the country together in hopes of reproducing like rabbits to eventually out number the other two. They want to impose their Sharia law wherever they are the majority. Let the country dissolve and let the Muslims either convert back to their ancestral heritage or go to Arabia. I have always wondered why are they retaining their ancestral Serbian last name if they hate the Serbs so much? Why don't they just go totally Arab?

Zoran

pre 6 godina

The region is still a mess. Just goes to show the western alliance have no clue how to build peace. Seems they are only good at destruction, as we see all over the world. They create one chaotic mess after another.

It is only a rump BiH that can recognise "Kosova"***, i.e. a BiH without RS otherwise there is no point even considering it. With all the geopolitical changes we are seeing and the situation in Catalonia, I wouldn't be surprised if an opportunity for RS to declare independence surfaces although I also see a possibility for Serbia to take all of BiH. Something Putin and Erdogan could agree to.

However, that said, I don't think anyone in BiH has an appetite for war, which could have been avoided if it wasn't for the US and Germany.

BeliOraoSrbija

pre 6 godina

Man he needs to lay off the crack pipe like the talibanians that come here because they have no life, he can recognize that he is a rtard.
Only knows how to talk shit and steal from international donors.
Just trying save him self from being forgotten.

ivan

pre 6 godina

@ rote kapelle

Thank you for the history lesson but I know it too well. Yes, we do have a problem with the Bosniaks in that they are trying to be more Muslim than Muslims themselves and knowing their ancestry fully well. Have you ever heard of the expression, "going back to my roots." Well this is what they should do much like Lepa Brena and Kosturica to name a few. The Bosnian king at the time thought that it would have been easier to convert and then go back to Christianity. Well five hundred years later and look at the shit we have. I have respect for those whose religion originated as Islam however, I have no respect for those who betrayed who they really are, and even worst, have become more Muslim than Muslims themselves.

Bilbao

pre 6 godina

What will happen is RS will become in-depended and both countries will be better off.
(Mike Canada, 13 November 2017 11:56)

Mike so what there will be two Serbian States in Balkans: Republic Serbia and Serbska?

Would Serbia it self-accept this?

Peggy

pre 6 godina

Come and see conditions people live here due to corruption, we need to lear to coexist enough lies and patriotism we have had enough.
(Carlazar, 14 November 2017 01:02)
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Oh I agree that we need to learn to live together but tell that to the Muslims not me. We are not and never have been the problem.
Do you not see that? Did you even read my reply?
I don't want anyone's kids to die but if this is not sorted out now, there will be no hope of sorting it out later on.
Just remember Lebanon. Do you want you descendants to curse your name because they are living under Islam? They will get the upper hand no matter how hard you try to get along with them.
So would you rather sort this out now when you have a chance or leave it for future generations to have to become refugees like the Christians of Lebanon?

Peggy

pre 6 godina

Maybe Putin likes to poke EU/US in the eye with Bosnia but not with our children none of my sons should die for Dodik to stay in power or Putin to play geopolitical games.
(CarLazar, 13 November 2017 13:54)
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Then your descendants will die at the hands of the Muslims or be treated like the Christians are in the ME and I am sure will curse you till the day they die for leaving them the mess.
You see, Muslims breed like rabbits and will eventually be the majority needed to subdue you all, just like in Lebanon.
Don't be so short sighted. Your ancestors gave their lives to rid themselves of Islam and here you are ready to accept it because you don't want any problems.
You are going to have far more problems unless you sort it out now.

Mike Canada

pre 6 godina

Bilbao Serbia has nothing to do with R.S. It would become its own state. Like Kosovo. If it can happen in Kosovo Ukraine why not Bosnia.... To be honest They should just start a Balkan Union and rebuild. Problem with these people is they can live with or with out one another. When something is not working you break it down and rebuild it.

sj

pre 6 godina

(CarLazar, 13 November 2017 13:54)

Another Croatian nincompoop having fantasies of Croatia the great LOL. Croatia does not have an air force let alone 20,000 armed and equipped reservists to attack a comatosed granny.

Where do you get this stuff from? Ustashi meetings? LOL. To have 20,000 troops you need support such as airpower, tanks, artillery etc, none of which is in Croatia’s military inventory. You guys can’t afford to buy new fighter jets let alone take over Brcko. Will you stop having these fantasies; this is 2017 not 1995. Croatia and the Federation don’t have the arms to attack RS. Please stop playing with your doodle.



But say Croatia had 20,000 reservists and they went into RS that would mean Croatia is invading another country and it would be abandoned by NATO much like what happened to Turkey after it shot down a Russian plane. That would mean Croatia would have 20,000 less citizens LOL.

There will be no war. When the timing is right Vladimir Putin will give RS the green light and they will hold the referendum to break away and not a peep will be heard from anyone.

This Izetbegovic mouthing off and nothing more.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

Please recall Erdogen shot down two Russian jets...
(Moderate Serb, 14 November 2017 03:48)
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LOL! Erdogan didn't shoot down Russian jets. It was the US in cahoots with the Turkish army and since the attempted coup, those Turkish generals and army personnel are all locked up.

Erdogan is now Putin's b!tch while Putin controls the Middle East and soon the Balkans. With a pinch of truth, a bit of persuasion and ejecting some politicians, it won't take too much for the Bosnian Muslims to side with the Serbs.

CarLazar

pre 6 godina

The election year is approaching, and journalists want to ask questions. Such as (primarily geographically), the RS cannot merely be independent, and there is no point in seeking independence based on human rights violations or the right to self-determination.
Serbs in the RS have perhaps the highest degree of autonomy in Europe, certified and signed, which they do not know how to organize them so that the second pair of sleeves is better.
Serbia signed the Dayton Accords and thus assumed their share of the obligation towards the UN member state. Abandoning these commitments is a bit bigger bite.

Of course, all this is true if it goes according to international law. If we go through the force, then let us all help God.

When Dodik pushed referendum, you had 20,000 reservists ready from Croatia to jump on Brcko, Vucic was on the phone with Dodik telling him not to play games.

"SJ" Maybe you like this war, but us living here do not. Maybe Putin likes to poke EU/US in the eye with Bosnia but not with our children none of my sons should die for Dodik to stay in power or Putin to play geopolitical games.

sj

pre 6 godina

I am not sure you are reading my name and my comment, I am a SERB!!!

(CarLazar, 14 November 2017 15:25)

On this site there are many people who make claims that they are Serbs, but the vast majority are not what they say.

Now as I said before there is no way Izetbegovic can use arms against RS because they have been disarmed. So unless they have an air force, tank regiments and missile batteries it’s all hot air from little Izzy plus Serbia guarantees the safety of RS. Little Izzy is supported by the US and their hanger on and it’s in their interest to keep the “pot boiling”.

On the issue of Croatian reservist, let me tell you that in about 2 weeks Croatian military bases will be closed until the end of February. Its something instituted several years ago to save money. Croatia does not have an air force nor sufficient tanks to fight an aggressive grandmother. This mythology of Croatian troops entering Brcko if RS was to break away (LOL) comes from the end of the war in Bosnia. Croatia does not have the funds to organise a piss up in a pub.

Even if Croatia could do what you claim they would be invading another country and there is no way key NATO countries would get involved if Serbia started to level Croatia. Plus, Russia guarantees the existence of RS.

So I’d sleep easy and not worry the BS being spread.

When the time comes the referendum will be held and RS will leave BiH and not a peep will come from anyone.

sj

pre 6 godina

It seems you have a short memory. Please recall Erdogen shot down two Russian jets, killing the Russian pilots, while Putin genuflected to the Turk and presented him with a jar of lubricant.
(Moderate Serb, 14 November 2017 03:48)

If Putin went to war with Turkey, there would be very little left of Turkey using just conventional weapons. Erdogan was set up by part of the Turkish military working for the US and that is why the two planes were shot down.

The US required an incident to close the Bosphorus to stop the resupply of weapons to Russian troops in Syria. Normally, that Bosphorus is international water except during times of war so Russia avoided war because it needed access to the Bosphorus.

Putin may have bent down on one knee, but it was not to pay homage to Erdogan, it was to pull the very rug from under the feet of the US. Russia warned Erdogan of the impending coup by some his military and today guess who Erdogan listens to?? Trump? No it good old Vlad. So in one moment of utter idiocy and incompetence the US lost a NATO ally.

That my friend is why Putin is the master. Even Trump admires him.

sj

pre 6 godina

So would that not lead to Kosovo joining Albania? just wondering how will that pan out!
(Bilbao, 14 November 2017 10:59)

No it cannot. RS was created under the Dayton Agreement and in that same agreement there is a clause which allows for a referendum to be held if RS so wished to break away from BiH. There is no such agreement or clause where Kosovo is concerned.

Kosovo was created as a separate country by the US without any reference to the then constitution of Yugoslavia or its people.

Betsy Lalich

pre 6 godina

Until B92 acts like a real news site, it will have no respect. Anyone with false names can make ridiculous or abusive comments. You hold no one accountable. This is no longer news required under a dictatorship. No one needs to hide anymore. Get professional !

Sasa from Near Jagodina City

pre 6 godina

If you have not lived and not willing to sacrifice your children or grandchildren don't tell us who live here how to behave, if you live in Serbia, you will be safe, if you live abroad you won't care except to talk from far.

Words are cheap, where do you live?
Come and see conditions people live here due to corruption, we need to lear to coexist enough lies and patriotism we have had enough.
(Carlazar, 14 November 2017 01:02) # Comment

To Carlazar,
I live near Jagodina and experience the life in Serbia for last 4 years. People are living much better then 4 years ago .
A lot of people complain about the conditions of their living while sitting for majority of their day drinking in cafe's and bar's .
If you want to work in Serbia to get a head, like in the western countries, You can ))
I am sick of lazy people complaining about the cost of living and how it use to be much better in their parent's time ( in Australia, USA , Germany, Austria and even in Serbia).
Remember, in Serbia 10 per cent of population are renters while in Western Countries more then 60 per cent are non home owners and pay rent.
Serbs are not Ghetto in like Albanian,and can leave anytime.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 6 godina

Dear beautiful young lady Ms. Lalich, we conquered also by marriage besides oppression real real cruelty and submission.. Would you marry me and become my ljubavi pashina? I don't need you to breed (oooops abusive term, I mean give birth) as I already have children but we can discuss on how much your croatian brothers love you and how dictatorships work!

Peggy

pre 6 godina

Get professional !
(Betsy Lalich, 14 November 2017 11:21)
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Professional like the New York Times or The Washington Post or perhaps BBC, CNN, NBC, ABC just to name a few?
I suppose you think spreading propaganda is much less dangerous than letting people express how they feel.
I agree, there is quite a lot of abuse here and name calling from the Albanian side especially, but news articles are not rubbish.
I suppose you have a degree in journalism and can judge what is professional and what isn't?

sj

pre 6 godina

Would he recognize a highly autonomous Croatian region within Bosnia near as well? Brian Ghilliotti
(Brian Ghilliotti, 15 November 2017 11:58)

Izetbegovic would never tolerate, let alone recognise, any autonomous Croatian region within the Federation half of Bosnia. The Croats are behind the eight ball since they have been bleeding population continuously since the Federation came into force. They are no longer a people in Bosnia, but now a minority.

That’s why you have Cavic sticking with the Serbs in the hope he can salvage something. Highly amusing these Croats, they hate Serbs in Croatia, but seek help from Serbs in Bosnia.

Unlike RS which has specific boundaries stipulated in the Dayton Agreement, the Croats have no agreement or defined border between them and the Bosniaks for it to have any type of autonomy or even break away.

Bilbao

pre 6 godina

Its suffice to say when the green light is given to RS she will hold a referendum and break away from BiH and no one will lift a finger. Izetbegovic is talking through his arse.
Anyone recall all the fuss over a referendum about the day of the Serb Republic? Putin gave the green light and it was held and, despite some half effort from the Bosniaks to have it legal extinguished, it’s now official.

(sj, 13 November 2017 12:11)

SJ I would love for RS to declare independence! If Dodik is really trying to do this then he must, otherwise, he is just using it as a political ploy for votes!

Question: would it be a independent state or join Serbia?

Betsy Lalich

pre 6 godina

So we have the Jihadist "Bosniak" (an invented name) discussing matters with the German collaborators. KOSOVO IS SERBIA and so is most of Bosnia if they choose to be. The others are our Croatian brothers. We all may have differences, but NO ONE wants or needs an Islamic presence, tied to Turkey, except the age old Muslim occupiers. Dear people they may be as friends, even family or neighbors, but they conquered by oppression or submission. No more !

sj

pre 6 godina

(Bilbao, 13 November 2017 13:38)

It’s not what I want, it’s up to Serbs living in RS to decide whether they want to be part of BiH.

Don’t be fooled, RS will declare its independence from BiH, but it’s a matter of timing. The fact that BiH does not have an independent judiciary or prosecution office but controlled by Izetbegovic is destroying BiH. It’s doing Dodik’s work for him.

The “great powers” would have removed Dodik a long time ago, but Milorad has one person on his side called Vladimir Putin and it is up to Putin to give the green light on the timing of the break. Russia is playing a bigger game throughout Europe so at this time it may not be convenient to break up BiH.

Let me repeat, it’s not up to Dodik when RS breaks away. It’s up to Putin. All Dodik is doing is preparing the ground work.

RS on its own is financially unviable so it would join with Serbia.

sj

pre 6 godina

Poor sj always so confused since he left the sheep station in the outback. His job following sheep and picking their droppings putting them in bags ahhh. Again the poor fellow is confused it is [link]/ Serbian air force run in to the ground by technical Serbs. So is most of the Serb "army" equipment no fuel, parts etc most of it 1970's era antiques.
(Lenard, 14 November 2017 22:50)

Lenny I only say Croatian military no have enough firepower to subdue angry 90 year old granny. Have Croatian air force fixed those Migs they sent to Ukraine for refurbishment yet? LOL

Croatia has a mighty forec of 600 professional soldiers and a couple of second hand helicopters they got from the US opps I forgot that they paid for. I nearly also forgot those Humvees that "only" needed a spray job but still rusting in a garage in a Zagreb suburb.

I recommend that if Croatian 20,000 reservists attack RS to take over Brcko,
they have rubber ducks to use to cross Sava Rvier.

Serbs know that from December to end of February no worries and make sure your Croats tell Serbs in advance that you need time to save money for fuel to drive old Yugo army trucks. Lenny, if BS was awarded prizes Croats would win hands down year after.

Now back to kitchen and have nice warm coco and take medicine and nurse will tuck you into bed with baton.

sj

pre 6 godina

It seems you have a short memory. Please recall Erdogen shot down two Russian jets, killing the Russian pilots, while Putin genuflected to the Turk and presented him with a jar of lubricant.
(Moderate Serb, 14 November 2017 03:48)

If Putin went to war with Turkey, there would be very little left of Turkey using just conventional weapons. Erdogan was set up by part of the Turkish military working for the US and that is why the two planes were shot down.

The US required an incident to close the Bosphorus to stop the resupply of weapons to Russian troops in Syria. Normally, that Bosphorus is international water except during times of war so Russia avoided war because it needed access to the Bosphorus.

Putin may have bent down on one knee, but it was not to pay homage to Erdogan, it was to pull the very rug from under the feet of the US. Russia warned Erdogan of the impending coup by some his military and today guess who Erdogan listens to?? Trump? No it good old Vlad. So in one moment of utter idiocy and incompetence the US lost a NATO ally.

That my friend is why Putin is the master. Even Trump admires him.

Joe A

pre 6 godina

icj1, 14 November 2017 04:44
You don't get it. The ruling says that the adoption of the declaration did not violate international law. But that does not mean that the actual independence is legal or a fait compli in that matter. It merely implies that anybody can declare independence.
If they wanted to be non-ambiguous they would have stated more concretely that the independence is legal. Now they merely said that the adoption of the declaration did not violate international law.
They could not have stated that the independence was legal because that would have violated international laws on territorial integrity, on international laws on sovereignty and international laws on federations. Plus it would have violated the Helsinki accord.

Bilbao

pre 6 godina

RS on its own is financially unviable so it would join with Serbia.
(sj, 14 November 2017 09:22)

So would that not lead to Kosovo joining Albania? just wondering how will that pan out!

icj1

pre 6 godina

The ruling says that the adoption of the declaration did not violate international law. But that does not mean that the actual independence is legal or a fait compli in that matter.
(Joe A, 14 November 2017 09:57)

Of course, because the independence of Kosovo from Serbia was already a fait compli since 1999 lol
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It merely implies that anybody can declare independence.
(Joe A, 14 November 2017 09:57)

Sure, if it is done in accordance with international law, like Kosovo did.
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If they wanted to be non-ambiguous they would have stated more concretely that the independence is legal.
(Joe A, 14 November 2017 09:57)

Well, feel free to ask ICJ to help you understand, because few other people, if any, have any doubt lol

icj1

pre 6 godina

I also see a possibility for Serbia to take all of BiH. Something Putin and Erdogan could agree to.
(Zoran, 13 November 2017 15:47)

That means that Putin and Erdogan want Serbia's destruction!

Moderate Serb

pre 6 godina

Its Moscow that calls these shots not Ankara.
(sj , 13 November 2017 12:11)


It seems you have a short memory. Please recall Erdogen shot down two Russian jets, killing the Russian pilots, while Putin genuflected to the Turk and presented him with a jar of lubricant.

icj1

pre 6 godina

Also, what would Bosnia recognizing bring Kosovo? Nothing! It would remain the same for them because they still need BG recognition to attain legalization od becoming a Republic.
(Watcher, 13 November 2017 15:58)

Well, that's according to you. According to Kosovo, Kosovo does not need any "BG recognition" (whatever that is) to attain legalization and becoming a Republic. Obviously what Kosovo thinks about Kosovo is what matters, not what a certain "Watcher" thinks.
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A deal needs to be negotiated between Pristina & BG that's both can live with....
(Watcher, 13 November 2017 15:58)

A deal about what, dear?!
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and time in on BG's side....seems the "masters" of "kosova" are losing their inter...I mean, grip!
(Watcher, 13 November 2017 15:58)

That is great news. Make sure to tell that to BG as soon as possible lol

icj1

pre 6 godina

that ruling that was very ambiguous
(Joe A, 13 November 2017 16:20)

That ruling said, I quote, "the adoption of the declaration of independence of 17 February 2008 did not violate general international law, Security Council resolution 1244 (1999) or the Constitutional Framework". Which part is ambiguous to you, dear?!
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Catalunya cites the ICJ Kosovo ruling as a precedent. I think so does Donbass.
(Joe A, 13 November 2017 16:20)

Ok, then what?! Is your point that Catalunya and Donbass are wrong (since they did not declare anything on 17 February 2008 and therefore the ruling above does not apply to them)?!

Joe A

pre 6 godina

(icj1, 14 November 2017 15:55
Again, you don't understand it. Law has everything to do with language, the wording used, interpretation and being non-ambiguous. Like any court, the ICJ knows that of course but also knew too well that their verdict had the potential power to set of an avalanche of declarations of independence worldwide. They did not want to piss off their member states by being responsible for a string of declarations of independence. So that is why they opted to keep the wording ambiguous. A factual recognition of Kosovo by the ICJ has no legal basis in international law as I explained. If they would have done that, that would have opened up a can of legal problems worldwide and for the ICJ itself.
As for your other remarks, Kosovo is not recognized by the UNSC (and as long as Serbia does not recognize Kosovo, so will not the UNSC because it requires unanimity); the EU; 5 out of 28 EU countries; about half the world's countries. Kosovo is not part of UNESCO and many other international institutions. Kosovo cannot even use its name without the asterisk. Serbia might not control Kosovo, but as it is now, Kosovo can not move forward. Not to mention it is a dysfunctional state. Basically, it is in a stalemate situation.

Carlazar

pre 6 godina

Then your descendants will die at the hands of the Muslims or be treated like the Christians are in the ME and I am sure will curse you till the day they die for leaving them the mess.
You see, Muslims breed like rabbits and will eventually be the majority needed to subdue you all, just like in Lebanon.
Don't be so short sighted. Your ancestors gave their lives to rid themselves of Islam and here you are ready to accept it because you don't want any problems.
You are going to have far more problems unless you sort it out now.
(Peggy, 14 November 2017 00:22)

Peggy have you lost a child or brother or sister during the war of the 1990s, did you live through it?

If you have not lived and not willing to sacrifice your children or grandchildren don't tell us who live here how to behave, if you live in Serbia, you will be safe, if you live abroad you won't care except to talk from far.

Words are cheap, where do you live?
Come and see conditions people live here due to corruption, we need to lear to coexist enough lies and patriotism we have had enough.

Lenard

pre 6 godina

Poor sj always so confused since he left the sheep station in the outback. His job following sheep and picking their droppings putting them in bags ahhh. Again the poor fellow is confused it is https://inserbia.info/today/2014/06/serbia-soon-without-air-force/ Serbian air force run in to the ground by technical Serbs. So is most of the Serb "army" equipment no fuel, parts etc most of it 1970's era antiques.

Peggy

pre 6 godina

For my "critics" and B92, I stand by my words. Respectable journalism requires people identify themselves.
(Betsy Lalich, 15 November 2017 04:54)
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Except that we are not journalists and we write in the comment section.

Who cares

pre 6 godina

I know that most people on this website hate Serbs, but the fact that anyone can upvote anything Lennard says is just ridiculus to me.
Seriously, the dude lacks basic knowladge on anything, why do you people think he knows anything about military?

It's kind of sad that everything he writes is factualy incorrect.

sj

pre 6 godina

Well, dear, my understanding is that the adoption of the declaration of independence of 17 February 2008 did not violate general international law, Security Council resolution 1244 (1999) or the Constitutional Framework. What part of my understanding is incorrect?!
(icj1, 16 November 2017 21:17)

My dear I doubt you understand anything at all. Trying to explain legalistic nuances to you is like trying to explain it to a rock - you just don't get as it flies right over your head and you keep quoting the same old stuff someone wrote for you ages ago.

Lets try and see if it sinks in this time - keeping fingers crossed.

A declaration of independence is not illegal since declarations are not covered by international law. However, separating from a country is covered by international law. What you need to do is seek from the international court to rule that Kosovo's separation was legal and thus remove any doubt and prove to Serbs it was legal.

If you even attempted that one the US would string you guys up LOL.

CarLazar

pre 6 godina

(CarLazar, 13 November 2017 13:54)

Another Croatian nincompoop having fantasies of Croatia the great LOL. Croatia does not have an air force let alone 20,000 armed and equipped reservists to attack a comatosed granny.

(sj, 14 November 2017 09:49)

I am not sure you are reading my name and my comment, I am a SERB!!!

Jagodina,

I have a business and do not need a lecture from you to tell me how to live and speak the truth, I am not speaking about my self and why should I move to Serbia to make a living when I live in Bosnia?

I am speaking about majoraty, not because they are lasy but due to no opportunity, do you know how much a Dr makes in Serbia or Bosnia? Unless you want them to ask for bribes?

icj1

pre 6 godina

(icj1, 14 November 2017 15:55

Again, you don't understand it.
(Joe A, 14 November 2017 22:01)

Well, dear, my understanding is that the adoption of the declaration of independence of 17 February 2008 did not violate general international law, Security Council resolution 1244 (1999) or the Constitutional Framework. What part of my understanding is incorrect?!