Vucic and Thaci "agree to work on new phase of dialogue"

Zoran, I dont care about Serbia. The reason for Serbia to save face is about regional stability. Serb leaders know that Kosova is independent, now they are recognizing it slowly so nationalistisc elements in Serbia dont spark up. You know this too but you hope somthing in between. There dosent exist an solution less than independence, more than autonomy. Kosova is 95 % Albanian and there is no reason for us to live in the same country.

It's all over.

Zoran,

You must be an fool. Kosova independence is a done deal. The talk is more about how to save face for Serbia. We are at the final stage when Serbia will recognize Kosova. You will see this in a couple of years!

In other words, they are negotiating more than autonomy, less than independence. This could have been done years ago.
(Zoran, 3 July 2017 12:09)

Lets say we are time travelling what does this mean More than Autonomy less the independence?

Does it mean reserve 30-35% of parlament of Serbian Kosovo Federation - for Albanians?

Does it mean Albanian is official language all over Serbia?

Wondering as this gets said but no one explains what it means.

Some people need a reality check. Forcing Serbia to give up Kosovo? How? NATO bombs? Already tried and failed. UN? Already tried and failed. EU? Already tried and caused divisions. So now we have status-neutral negotiations based on more than autonomy, less than independence.

My God, how can anyone claim to be independent when they need Serbia to agree a dialling code, cannot form an army, cannot get UNESCO membership and does not and will not get a UN seat, which prevents it having international legitimacy. That's why my friends we are negotiating but independence and recognition is not on the table.

After everything Serbia has gone through, you think someone is just going to change out constitution? We are in fact getting stronger, not weaker. LOL!

Wondering as this gets said but no one explains what it means.
(Indep > Autonomy, 3 July 2017 14:17)

It means exactly what it says, more than autonomy, less than independence. As for the finer details, it is exactly what is being negotiated - no recognition, ZSO, status neutrality, dialling code, etc...
This could have been done years ago, without bloodshed and destruction but the Albanians and US wanted war.
(Zoran, 3 July 2017 15:10)

Well, for Kosovo, "more than autonomy, less than independence" (or whatever you want to call it) also meant that Serbia's army had to get out of Kosovo. Since Milosevic refused that, than the war was necessary.

But you are correct, that Serbia could have achieved the withdrawal of Serbia's army from Kosovo (i.e. "more than autonomy, less than independence") without war - all it was needed was an order from Milosevic!

Now that Russia is in play, don't think things will work out too well for Montenegro's current leadership... Lately, countries being forced into NATO hasn't turned out too well, for instance Ukraine
(Zoran, 3 July 2017 14:10)

Well, Ukraine is not forced into NATO and, according to the the Kremlin, Russia has nothing to do with what's happening in Ukraine. So, it's not clear what you're talking about, dear!

Either Serbia is forced to have a referendum removing Kosovo from its constitution or it isn't! Vucic seems to believe Serbia can recognize Kosovo independence and still have Kosovo in its constitution. But what If Serbia ever has an anti Kosovo independence leader again? How can Serbia be trusted unless it removes Kosovo from its constitution?

After everything Serbia has gone through, you think someone is just going to change out constitution? We are in fact getting stronger, not weaker. LOL!
(Zoran, 3 July 2017 17:25)
1. Forming Army is there to be done by a very generous constitution of Kosovo where it respects Minoraties.

2. UNESCO is what we are measuring the world now, let me ask you this what if Kosovo gets in UNesco will it make you change your mind?

3. Kosovo is recognised by 112 countries they see it as independent country.

4. How will you take kosovo back enslave the population?

5. Why Serbs from Kosovo have Serbian passport but can not use it for visa free travel?

6. Did not answer my question, and there is no talk about kosovo joining Serbia there is how to let Serbs in Kosovo live in Kosovo. the 10 Serbs in Kosovo parlament why do they take oath of Kosovo Republic?

In other words, they are negotiating more than autonomy, less than independence. This could have been done years ago.

Funny Demi, why would you want to save face for Serbia? It has been 10 years since the UDI... a done deal? You still need more time do you? You are funny.

Nice, not sure what the point of your article is. Montenegro has a tiny army and I'm not sure which is stronger, the Albanian donkey division or the Montenegrin army.

Now that Russia is in play, don't think things will work out too well for Montenegro's current leadership... Lately, countries being forced into NATO hasn't turned out too well, for instance Ukraine and Georgia... I suspect Montenegro's time will come soon...especially since the opposition is getting stronger. It's ripe.

Wondering as this gets said but no one explains what it means.
(Indep > Autonomy, 3 July 2017 14:17)
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It means exactly what it says, more than autonomy, less than independence. As for the finer details, it is exactly what is being negotiated - no recognition, ZSO, status neutrality, dialling code, etc...

This could have been done years ago, without bloodshed and destruction but the Albanians and US wanted war. NATO couldn't achieve what it wanted so they went to the UN, didn't like UNSCR1244 so they went alone, which caused divisions within NATO, the EU and split the UN, so hey presto, we are back to square one - negotiations...

These are personal talks between two corrupt leaders. Those who took part in war(s) can't talk about peace.

"Ni Vučić, ni Tači, Srbima i Albancima nisu rekli..." http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2017&mm=07&dd=03&nav_category=11&nav_id=1278909

In other words, they are negotiating more than autonomy, less than independence. This could have been done years ago. - Zoran

Serbia isn't a sovereign country so be careful what you wish for Zoran.


Sincerely,

@Zoran

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region.php?yyyy=2017&mm=07&dd=03&nav_id=101699

What milosevic didn't agree to but is now policy is total Access for NATO to every part Of Serbia and immunity from all Serbian laws. That's why there was war. the agreement to end Kosovo war was Serbian proposal in Rambouillet.

Vucic is a traitor to "negotiate" with this war criminal Thaci
(ida, 4 July 2017 22:59)

Thaci has not been convicted of any war crime, dear, so it's not clear what you're talking about!

Zoran,
Why is it that Nato can enter Serbia at will with unimpeded movement to anywhere it chooses, AT ANY TIME. Furthermore, Nato soldiers are immune from prosecution as well as not having to pay for anything while in Serbia. Slobo allowed Serbia to be bombed by Nato instead of agreeing to the above conditions, only to have Serbia agree to the above at a latter date. No other country has agreed to the above conditions, Serbia is not an independent country. In fact, it is Serbia that has more than autonomy but less than independence. Finally, only 196-112 = 84 UN members recognize the present borders of Serbia, a clear minority of less than 43%.

Vucic is a traitor to "negotiate" with this war criminal Thaci. Vucic is a sell-out who has betrayed Kosovo Serbs and has done nothing positive for them. Notice the lack of returns of the people and of their property. The returns issue is totally ignored in these "negotiations".
Serbs should be protesting Vucic and NOT voting for him and his coalition.

Zoran,

spot on - back to square on - ie more of the Status Quo since 1999 - not even the old timers of Status Quo had this many come backs.

In other words, they are negotiating more than autonomy, less than independence. This could have been done years ago.

Zoran,

You must be an fool. Kosova independence is a done deal. The talk is more about how to save face for Serbia. We are at the final stage when Serbia will recognize Kosova. You will see this in a couple of years!

Wondering as this gets said but no one explains what it means.
(Indep > Autonomy, 3 July 2017 14:17)
--
It means exactly what it says, more than autonomy, less than independence. As for the finer details, it is exactly what is being negotiated - no recognition, ZSO, status neutrality, dialling code, etc...

This could have been done years ago, without bloodshed and destruction but the Albanians and US wanted war. NATO couldn't achieve what it wanted so they went to the UN, didn't like UNSCR1244 so they went alone, which caused divisions within NATO, the EU and split the UN, so hey presto, we are back to square one - negotiations...

Funny Demi, why would you want to save face for Serbia? It has been 10 years since the UDI... a done deal? You still need more time do you? You are funny.

Nice, not sure what the point of your article is. Montenegro has a tiny army and I'm not sure which is stronger, the Albanian donkey division or the Montenegrin army.

Now that Russia is in play, don't think things will work out too well for Montenegro's current leadership... Lately, countries being forced into NATO hasn't turned out too well, for instance Ukraine and Georgia... I suspect Montenegro's time will come soon...especially since the opposition is getting stronger. It's ripe.

Some people need a reality check. Forcing Serbia to give up Kosovo? How? NATO bombs? Already tried and failed. UN? Already tried and failed. EU? Already tried and caused divisions. So now we have status-neutral negotiations based on more than autonomy, less than independence.

My God, how can anyone claim to be independent when they need Serbia to agree a dialling code, cannot form an army, cannot get UNESCO membership and does not and will not get a UN seat, which prevents it having international legitimacy. That's why my friends we are negotiating but independence and recognition is not on the table.

After everything Serbia has gone through, you think someone is just going to change out constitution? We are in fact getting stronger, not weaker. LOL!

Zoran, I dont care about Serbia. The reason for Serbia to save face is about regional stability. Serb leaders know that Kosova is independent, now they are recognizing it slowly so nationalistisc elements in Serbia dont spark up. You know this too but you hope somthing in between. There dosent exist an solution less than independence, more than autonomy. Kosova is 95 % Albanian and there is no reason for us to live in the same country.

It's all over.

Now that Russia is in play, don't think things will work out too well for Montenegro's current leadership... Lately, countries being forced into NATO hasn't turned out too well, for instance Ukraine
(Zoran, 3 July 2017 14:10)

Well, Ukraine is not forced into NATO and, according to the the Kremlin, Russia has nothing to do with what's happening in Ukraine. So, it's not clear what you're talking about, dear!

Either Serbia is forced to have a referendum removing Kosovo from its constitution or it isn't! Vucic seems to believe Serbia can recognize Kosovo independence and still have Kosovo in its constitution. But what If Serbia ever has an anti Kosovo independence leader again? How can Serbia be trusted unless it removes Kosovo from its constitution?

After everything Serbia has gone through, you think someone is just going to change out constitution? We are in fact getting stronger, not weaker. LOL!
(Zoran, 3 July 2017 17:25)
1. Forming Army is there to be done by a very generous constitution of Kosovo where it respects Minoraties.

2. UNESCO is what we are measuring the world now, let me ask you this what if Kosovo gets in UNesco will it make you change your mind?

3. Kosovo is recognised by 112 countries they see it as independent country.

4. How will you take kosovo back enslave the population?

5. Why Serbs from Kosovo have Serbian passport but can not use it for visa free travel?

6. Did not answer my question, and there is no talk about kosovo joining Serbia there is how to let Serbs in Kosovo live in Kosovo. the 10 Serbs in Kosovo parlament why do they take oath of Kosovo Republic?

In other words, they are negotiating more than autonomy, less than independence. This could have been done years ago.
(Zoran, 3 July 2017 12:09)

Lets say we are time travelling what does this mean More than Autonomy less the independence?

Does it mean reserve 30-35% of parlament of Serbian Kosovo Federation - for Albanians?

Does it mean Albanian is official language all over Serbia?

Wondering as this gets said but no one explains what it means.

Wondering as this gets said but no one explains what it means.
(Indep > Autonomy, 3 July 2017 14:17)

It means exactly what it says, more than autonomy, less than independence. As for the finer details, it is exactly what is being negotiated - no recognition, ZSO, status neutrality, dialling code, etc...
This could have been done years ago, without bloodshed and destruction but the Albanians and US wanted war.
(Zoran, 3 July 2017 15:10)

Well, for Kosovo, "more than autonomy, less than independence" (or whatever you want to call it) also meant that Serbia's army had to get out of Kosovo. Since Milosevic refused that, than the war was necessary.

But you are correct, that Serbia could have achieved the withdrawal of Serbia's army from Kosovo (i.e. "more than autonomy, less than independence") without war - all it was needed was an order from Milosevic!

@Zoran

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region.php?yyyy=2017&mm=07&dd=03&nav_id=101699

In other words, they are negotiating more than autonomy, less than independence. This could have been done years ago. - Zoran

Serbia isn't a sovereign country so be careful what you wish for Zoran.


Sincerely,

These are personal talks between two corrupt leaders. Those who took part in war(s) can't talk about peace.

"Ni Vučić, ni Tači, Srbima i Albancima nisu rekli..." http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2017&mm=07&dd=03&nav_category=11&nav_id=1278909

What milosevic didn't agree to but is now policy is total Access for NATO to every part Of Serbia and immunity from all Serbian laws. That's why there was war. the agreement to end Kosovo war was Serbian proposal in Rambouillet.

Zoran,

spot on - back to square on - ie more of the Status Quo since 1999 - not even the old timers of Status Quo had this many come backs.

Vucic is a traitor to "negotiate" with this war criminal Thaci. Vucic is a sell-out who has betrayed Kosovo Serbs and has done nothing positive for them. Notice the lack of returns of the people and of their property. The returns issue is totally ignored in these "negotiations".
Serbs should be protesting Vucic and NOT voting for him and his coalition.

Vucic is a traitor to "negotiate" with this war criminal Thaci
(ida, 4 July 2017 22:59)

Thaci has not been convicted of any war crime, dear, so it's not clear what you're talking about!

Zoran,
Why is it that Nato can enter Serbia at will with unimpeded movement to anywhere it chooses, AT ANY TIME. Furthermore, Nato soldiers are immune from prosecution as well as not having to pay for anything while in Serbia. Slobo allowed Serbia to be bombed by Nato instead of agreeing to the above conditions, only to have Serbia agree to the above at a latter date. No other country has agreed to the above conditions, Serbia is not an independent country. In fact, it is Serbia that has more than autonomy but less than independence. Finally, only 196-112 = 84 UN members recognize the present borders of Serbia, a clear minority of less than 43%.