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Thursday, 04.05.2017.

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Weapons transported to Macedonia seized in Serbia - report

Serbia's Military-Security Agency (VBA) has seized a large quantity of weapons in the southern parts of the country.

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icj1

pre 6 godina

Behind every move the US deep state makes there are a team of legal eagles ensuring nothing comes back to bite their clients. So, if it came from a NATO country and could be tracked, that would implicate NATO directly. If it came from Kosovo, security administered by bondsteel, it would be at best incompetence. If it came from Serbian territory, well someone's hands would be clean. The deep state would not be questioned in the US and heads wouldnt roll and contracts preserved.
(We know We can hear you now too, 6 May 2017 16:58)

It sounds like you control the "US deep state", whatever that means, to know all of the stuff above lol

We know We can hear you now too

pre 6 godina

If Albanians wanted to smuggle weapons into Macedonia why not do it through Kosovo or Albania? One has to be really stupid to believe this stuff.
(cry me a river, 4 May 2017 15:32)

Your pretty unarmed when it comes to following these sort of ops, the dark kind. Behind every move the US deep state makes there are a team of legal eagles ensuring nothing comes back to bite their clients. So, if it came from a NATO country and could be tracked, that would implicate NATO directly. If it came from Kosovo, security administered by bondsteel, it would be at best incompetence. If it came from Serbian territory, well someone's hands would be clean. The deep state would not be questioned in the US and heads wouldnt roll and contracts preserved.

Stefan

pre 6 godina

I heard the Macedonians have the MI 24s Fueled up, Night Vision activated, Magazines are full and the army is blood thirsty are the aging KLA members prepared lol?

klepto

pre 6 godina

@vepton,

i'm sure you are correct: if they wanted to smuggle weapons from kosovo or albania they would just do that. however, it would seem that these weapons were already in serbia, so you'd then suggest that they smuggle them into kosovo or albania first and then turn back to macedonia? crossing two borders is smarter/safer than crossing one?
you might be able to spot propaganda, but you don't seem to have a good grasp at spotting logic or geography

vepton

pre 6 godina

If they wanted to smuggle weapons they would easily do it via Kosovo or Albania and not Serbia. This is just another B92 propaganda article.

bucks

pre 6 godina

@free

I can't tell you how the st sava church burnt down. all i can go by is the evidence that the fire marshal found, which suggested that it was extinguished candles that were the source of the massive fire.

you've really buried your shovel into the ground around this church fire. you can't seem to let it go.

now, perhaps you feel that it was albanian terrorists that did this. perhaps you are correct, but i would imagine that if you strongly believe that you would have some sort of evidence that i am not privy to.
however, if you are simply trolling trying to bait someone into acquiescing to your delusions and starting a flame war which is totally unrelated to the topic at hand i'd suggest that you grow up a bit.

there may have been early suggestions of foul play due to the statistically unlikely situation at the time, but cooler heads prevailed.

now, it is you who are acting hot headed. you are not waiting for further evidence to filter its way to the plebs like myself and yourself, but jumping to a conclusion. you're not offering anything concrete about the current topic, simply re-tweeting your conspiratorial bait and using that somehow as justification that the church fire has something to do with weapons smuggling.

Truth teller

pre 6 godina

What a bunch of crap! If Albanians wanted to buy guns, they wouldn't buy them from Serbia, they would buy from Albania or Kosovo! Liars!

Free

pre 6 godina

@bucks

No, i don`t expect anything from journalists. They do their job: they report the news that government fabricates.

What do you mean "counter-proof" where there is no proof? No name, no face, no number... just a government`s declaration without evidence.

Yes, i`ll wait for the court verdict.
Who burned the St Sava Church in NYC after blaming "Albanian terrorists"?

Brian Ghilliotti

pre 6 godina

These weapons probably originated from CIA sources, if they were not procured by Albanian organized crime from the 1997 Albanian upheaval. Soros and the nations supporting the fiat banking clans have probably decided to split the country. The 'slavic' Macedonians are also quietly arming too. These weapons will probably come from Sandzak sources (corrupt or sympathetic local police or military sources). The CIA can take care of this by activating Bosnian based ISIS cells to wreak havoc in Sandzak.

A five year old child

pre 6 godina

@free

ahh, I see.

you're using your opinion to back your opinion.
you're not offering counter proof, but just your gut feel. i'm not sure that would hold up to much scrutiny.

might i ask what sort of proof you were expecting in a news article? afterall, this particular article is delivered on the internet. were you expecting the guns to come along with the link perhaps? over digital media, what other form of evidence (not proof) would you like? were you expecting that names of suspects be released prior to a commencement of judicial process? are you certain that those who might be suspected of this activity are not protected by some form of age-based clause?


you ask much of a journalist.

do you understand it is not the role of journalists to prove things. it is their role to reveal evidence, as much as they find, regardless of politics. it is the role of a court to determine the state of the situation based upon evidence provided.

leave the proving to the courts, leave the investigation to the investigators and the journalists just relay the information they have.
(bucks, 4 May 2017 21:17)


bucks,
Sorry, not a very convincing argument.

icj1

pre 6 godina

"It is assumed that the weapons were intended for "the party infrastructure of the biggest Albanian parties" whose officials took part in armed conflicts in Macedonia, and in Kosovo and Metohija, the newspaper is reporting, citing "VBA sources.""

Oh, OK... so it's fake news and not a report since the paragraph above starts with "it is assumed"!

kosovar

pre 6 godina

Oh! What a what a boomerang to those who came up with this report. Not very well thought, not at all. First who ever has just a little background on the events in Balkans it will immediately know that this is a crap and has no grounds at all. This article should not even had the change to reach the redactor and let alone the public. However I do see here two possible scenarios:

- Serbian government desperately wants to take the attention of the public away from the now prolonged demonstrations that it doesn't seem to end in the near future by creating scenarios like this one, tensions of whatever nature.

- The serbian government are preparing the terrain to swiftly intervene in Presevo valley in response to increased voices of albanian minority there. A scenario very likely to happen within two weeks time.

I hope not as that would be shooting yourself in the leg.

bucks

pre 6 godina

@free

ahh, I see.

you're using your opinion to back your opinion.
you're not offering counter proof, but just your gut feel. i'm not sure that would hold up to much scrutiny.

might i ask what sort of proof you were expecting in a news article? afterall, this particular article is delivered on the internet. were you expecting the guns to come along with the link perhaps? over digital media, what other form of evidence (not proof) would you like? were you expecting that names of suspects be released prior to a commencement of judicial process? are you certain that those who might be suspected of this activity are not protected by some form of age-based clause?


you ask much of a journalist.

do you understand it is not the role of journalists to prove things. it is their role to reveal evidence, as much as they find, regardless of politics. it is the role of a court to determine the state of the situation based upon evidence provided.

leave the proving to the courts, leave the investigation to the investigators and the journalists just relay the information they have.

Free

pre 6 godina

@ bucks

"Downloaded gun picture" was a reference of Serbs` proof of "Albanians gun smugglers". That is the only "prof" that this article provides, a downloaded gun picture.

Just like "terrorist Albanians burning St Sava Church NYC and a dozen of other Orthodox Churches in Australia, Russia etc".

Prvoslav Kukić

pre 6 godina

This must be the load of weapons found in the vicinity of Prime Minister's family retreat at Jajinci several months ago...

Beli

pre 6 godina

As for the Former Yugoslav Republic Macedonia(FYRM), sparrows tweet on the tree twigs that it will finally become an Albanian state(two thirds of the country). But there is no escaping the fact that this new entanglement was decided upon in Tirana, notoriously known as ‘’Tirana Platform’’. FYRM will have all the attributes of Albanian state. As regards the EU response, we can see an obvious double standard, minimizing events being far more likely to be criticized , turning a blind eye to what is happening in the countries where Albanians are always privileged citizens. Serbs as an ethnic minority will be in a difficult position. Serbia should do its best to help Serbs in FYRM save themselves from the ‘’deep quagmire’’. There is not a difference between Zaev and Gruevski and their policies . SWINGS AND ROUNDABOUTS. Gruevski recognized Kosovo as a state, supported Kosovo’s membership into UNESKO ,persecuted Serbian Orthodox bishops and priests. By reviewing history books by various authors, we find irrefutable facts that the temples in Kosovo are Serbian orthodox churches built by Serbian rulers in the Middle Ages. Zaev, a hypocrite, reported that Serbian politicians are nationalists. And finally , what about the large shipment of weaponry confiscated by Serbian VBA

I spy a dictatorship in my eye

pre 6 godina

Fake news and moderated comments if this is the Slavic Standard* we could all use a little democracy right now.

God Bless America, God Bless a Free World.

cry me a river

pre 6 godina

If Albanians wanted to smuggle weapons into Macedonia why not do it through Kosovo or Albania? One has to be really stupid to believe this stuff.

bucks

pre 6 godina

@free
"Serbia buying jet-fighters proves that Serbia is peaceful"

Yes, indeed that is correct. a fighter jet's role is primarily for air-to-air combat. it is used when unauthorized aircraft enter a nation's airspace, or when a bomber needs an escort.
a fighter jet alone is primarily a defense system. though some can be set up for ground attacks, most aren't. since it is the ground that humans in particular live on, ground attacks are what one would consider offensive, and air/sea attack capabilities are mostly defensive.

did you download a nice picture of a gun? do you need it to trace for your art class or something?

Free

pre 6 godina

Let me guess: these "Albo terrorists" are the same guys who burned St Sava Church in NYC last year and blame it to candles. lol

Serbia buying jet-fighters proves that Serbia is peaceful. A gun picture downloaded from internet is a proof that Albanians are terrorists.
Very interesting point of view.

from Albania

pre 6 godina

hahah this was so poorly performed. The most funny things in all of these is when serbs say that we don't want to pick sides.. lol yeah right.

Let me guess you are with us this time. hahhaha

Do you serbs think that we and the world is that stupid as to believe all your bullshits?

Nikola Tesla

pre 6 godina

Nothing new here, typical Albo's , trying doing their best at what they know, smuggling drugs, guns, and perhaps a few goats. They don't know anything else.

sj

pre 6 godina

These Albos are such poor bastards. They don't understand that they are being used. The US Piss and Wind wants to start a conflict so there is an excuse for NATO to come into Macedonia and keep the peace and then draw it into NATO. These idiots think that there will be a "Greater Albania", I hate to disappoint LOL. They will piss on the Albos from a great height and you will smile and call it a shower of good will. The dumber they are the harder they fall.

Peter The Rocky Mountains

pre 6 godina

Serbian propaganda, All bull....!

No need for weapons to be smuggled into Macedonian I will bet that there is plenty of weaponry in Macedonia already! Enough to sustain a war for several years if need be!!!

Dwight

pre 6 godina

SNS nationalist propaganda is so obvious.
"We decided not to make this information public" said Vucic as he made the information public, "we don't want to be seen to be picking sides in any conflict between the savage muslim Albanian bastard immigrant cockroaches and our fantastic wonderful amazing non-corrupt patriotic white slavic orthodox brothers in the VRMO"

the truth

pre 6 godina

"At the same time, the VBA noticed increased movements of members of the Albanian national minority from the Presevo and Bujanovac area toward Macedonia in the past days. The situation is similar when it comes to Albanians from Kosovo, above all those who are known as former fighters of the KLA," the source said.

When will Serbia stop this dirty propaganda crap!? You guys are sick.

the truth

pre 6 godina

"At the same time, the VBA noticed increased movements of members of the Albanian national minority from the Presevo and Bujanovac area toward Macedonia in the past days. The situation is similar when it comes to Albanians from Kosovo, above all those who are known as former fighters of the KLA," the source said.

When will Serbia stop this dirty propaganda crap!? You guys are sick.

I spy a dictatorship in my eye

pre 6 godina

Fake news and moderated comments if this is the Slavic Standard* we could all use a little democracy right now.

God Bless America, God Bless a Free World.

cry me a river

pre 6 godina

If Albanians wanted to smuggle weapons into Macedonia why not do it through Kosovo or Albania? One has to be really stupid to believe this stuff.

Peter The Rocky Mountains

pre 6 godina

Serbian propaganda, All bull....!

No need for weapons to be smuggled into Macedonian I will bet that there is plenty of weaponry in Macedonia already! Enough to sustain a war for several years if need be!!!

sj

pre 6 godina

These Albos are such poor bastards. They don't understand that they are being used. The US Piss and Wind wants to start a conflict so there is an excuse for NATO to come into Macedonia and keep the peace and then draw it into NATO. These idiots think that there will be a "Greater Albania", I hate to disappoint LOL. They will piss on the Albos from a great height and you will smile and call it a shower of good will. The dumber they are the harder they fall.

from Albania

pre 6 godina

hahah this was so poorly performed. The most funny things in all of these is when serbs say that we don't want to pick sides.. lol yeah right.

Let me guess you are with us this time. hahhaha

Do you serbs think that we and the world is that stupid as to believe all your bullshits?

Nikola Tesla

pre 6 godina

Nothing new here, typical Albo's , trying doing their best at what they know, smuggling drugs, guns, and perhaps a few goats. They don't know anything else.

Dwight

pre 6 godina

SNS nationalist propaganda is so obvious.
"We decided not to make this information public" said Vucic as he made the information public, "we don't want to be seen to be picking sides in any conflict between the savage muslim Albanian bastard immigrant cockroaches and our fantastic wonderful amazing non-corrupt patriotic white slavic orthodox brothers in the VRMO"

Free

pre 6 godina

Let me guess: these "Albo terrorists" are the same guys who burned St Sava Church in NYC last year and blame it to candles. lol

Serbia buying jet-fighters proves that Serbia is peaceful. A gun picture downloaded from internet is a proof that Albanians are terrorists.
Very interesting point of view.

Truth teller

pre 6 godina

What a bunch of crap! If Albanians wanted to buy guns, they wouldn't buy them from Serbia, they would buy from Albania or Kosovo! Liars!

vepton

pre 6 godina

If they wanted to smuggle weapons they would easily do it via Kosovo or Albania and not Serbia. This is just another B92 propaganda article.

Beli

pre 6 godina

As for the Former Yugoslav Republic Macedonia(FYRM), sparrows tweet on the tree twigs that it will finally become an Albanian state(two thirds of the country). But there is no escaping the fact that this new entanglement was decided upon in Tirana, notoriously known as ‘’Tirana Platform’’. FYRM will have all the attributes of Albanian state. As regards the EU response, we can see an obvious double standard, minimizing events being far more likely to be criticized , turning a blind eye to what is happening in the countries where Albanians are always privileged citizens. Serbs as an ethnic minority will be in a difficult position. Serbia should do its best to help Serbs in FYRM save themselves from the ‘’deep quagmire’’. There is not a difference between Zaev and Gruevski and their policies . SWINGS AND ROUNDABOUTS. Gruevski recognized Kosovo as a state, supported Kosovo’s membership into UNESKO ,persecuted Serbian Orthodox bishops and priests. By reviewing history books by various authors, we find irrefutable facts that the temples in Kosovo are Serbian orthodox churches built by Serbian rulers in the Middle Ages. Zaev, a hypocrite, reported that Serbian politicians are nationalists. And finally , what about the large shipment of weaponry confiscated by Serbian VBA

kosovar

pre 6 godina

Oh! What a what a boomerang to those who came up with this report. Not very well thought, not at all. First who ever has just a little background on the events in Balkans it will immediately know that this is a crap and has no grounds at all. This article should not even had the change to reach the redactor and let alone the public. However I do see here two possible scenarios:

- Serbian government desperately wants to take the attention of the public away from the now prolonged demonstrations that it doesn't seem to end in the near future by creating scenarios like this one, tensions of whatever nature.

- The serbian government are preparing the terrain to swiftly intervene in Presevo valley in response to increased voices of albanian minority there. A scenario very likely to happen within two weeks time.

I hope not as that would be shooting yourself in the leg.

bucks

pre 6 godina

@free
"Serbia buying jet-fighters proves that Serbia is peaceful"

Yes, indeed that is correct. a fighter jet's role is primarily for air-to-air combat. it is used when unauthorized aircraft enter a nation's airspace, or when a bomber needs an escort.
a fighter jet alone is primarily a defense system. though some can be set up for ground attacks, most aren't. since it is the ground that humans in particular live on, ground attacks are what one would consider offensive, and air/sea attack capabilities are mostly defensive.

did you download a nice picture of a gun? do you need it to trace for your art class or something?

Prvoslav Kukić

pre 6 godina

This must be the load of weapons found in the vicinity of Prime Minister's family retreat at Jajinci several months ago...

Free

pre 6 godina

@ bucks

"Downloaded gun picture" was a reference of Serbs` proof of "Albanians gun smugglers". That is the only "prof" that this article provides, a downloaded gun picture.

Just like "terrorist Albanians burning St Sava Church NYC and a dozen of other Orthodox Churches in Australia, Russia etc".

icj1

pre 6 godina

"It is assumed that the weapons were intended for "the party infrastructure of the biggest Albanian parties" whose officials took part in armed conflicts in Macedonia, and in Kosovo and Metohija, the newspaper is reporting, citing "VBA sources.""

Oh, OK... so it's fake news and not a report since the paragraph above starts with "it is assumed"!

Stefan

pre 6 godina

I heard the Macedonians have the MI 24s Fueled up, Night Vision activated, Magazines are full and the army is blood thirsty are the aging KLA members prepared lol?

bucks

pre 6 godina

@free

ahh, I see.

you're using your opinion to back your opinion.
you're not offering counter proof, but just your gut feel. i'm not sure that would hold up to much scrutiny.

might i ask what sort of proof you were expecting in a news article? afterall, this particular article is delivered on the internet. were you expecting the guns to come along with the link perhaps? over digital media, what other form of evidence (not proof) would you like? were you expecting that names of suspects be released prior to a commencement of judicial process? are you certain that those who might be suspected of this activity are not protected by some form of age-based clause?


you ask much of a journalist.

do you understand it is not the role of journalists to prove things. it is their role to reveal evidence, as much as they find, regardless of politics. it is the role of a court to determine the state of the situation based upon evidence provided.

leave the proving to the courts, leave the investigation to the investigators and the journalists just relay the information they have.

Brian Ghilliotti

pre 6 godina

These weapons probably originated from CIA sources, if they were not procured by Albanian organized crime from the 1997 Albanian upheaval. Soros and the nations supporting the fiat banking clans have probably decided to split the country. The 'slavic' Macedonians are also quietly arming too. These weapons will probably come from Sandzak sources (corrupt or sympathetic local police or military sources). The CIA can take care of this by activating Bosnian based ISIS cells to wreak havoc in Sandzak.

Free

pre 6 godina

@bucks

No, i don`t expect anything from journalists. They do their job: they report the news that government fabricates.

What do you mean "counter-proof" where there is no proof? No name, no face, no number... just a government`s declaration without evidence.

Yes, i`ll wait for the court verdict.
Who burned the St Sava Church in NYC after blaming "Albanian terrorists"?

A five year old child

pre 6 godina

@free

ahh, I see.

you're using your opinion to back your opinion.
you're not offering counter proof, but just your gut feel. i'm not sure that would hold up to much scrutiny.

might i ask what sort of proof you were expecting in a news article? afterall, this particular article is delivered on the internet. were you expecting the guns to come along with the link perhaps? over digital media, what other form of evidence (not proof) would you like? were you expecting that names of suspects be released prior to a commencement of judicial process? are you certain that those who might be suspected of this activity are not protected by some form of age-based clause?


you ask much of a journalist.

do you understand it is not the role of journalists to prove things. it is their role to reveal evidence, as much as they find, regardless of politics. it is the role of a court to determine the state of the situation based upon evidence provided.

leave the proving to the courts, leave the investigation to the investigators and the journalists just relay the information they have.
(bucks, 4 May 2017 21:17)


bucks,
Sorry, not a very convincing argument.

bucks

pre 6 godina

@free

I can't tell you how the st sava church burnt down. all i can go by is the evidence that the fire marshal found, which suggested that it was extinguished candles that were the source of the massive fire.

you've really buried your shovel into the ground around this church fire. you can't seem to let it go.

now, perhaps you feel that it was albanian terrorists that did this. perhaps you are correct, but i would imagine that if you strongly believe that you would have some sort of evidence that i am not privy to.
however, if you are simply trolling trying to bait someone into acquiescing to your delusions and starting a flame war which is totally unrelated to the topic at hand i'd suggest that you grow up a bit.

there may have been early suggestions of foul play due to the statistically unlikely situation at the time, but cooler heads prevailed.

now, it is you who are acting hot headed. you are not waiting for further evidence to filter its way to the plebs like myself and yourself, but jumping to a conclusion. you're not offering anything concrete about the current topic, simply re-tweeting your conspiratorial bait and using that somehow as justification that the church fire has something to do with weapons smuggling.

klepto

pre 6 godina

@vepton,

i'm sure you are correct: if they wanted to smuggle weapons from kosovo or albania they would just do that. however, it would seem that these weapons were already in serbia, so you'd then suggest that they smuggle them into kosovo or albania first and then turn back to macedonia? crossing two borders is smarter/safer than crossing one?
you might be able to spot propaganda, but you don't seem to have a good grasp at spotting logic or geography

We know We can hear you now too

pre 6 godina

If Albanians wanted to smuggle weapons into Macedonia why not do it through Kosovo or Albania? One has to be really stupid to believe this stuff.
(cry me a river, 4 May 2017 15:32)

Your pretty unarmed when it comes to following these sort of ops, the dark kind. Behind every move the US deep state makes there are a team of legal eagles ensuring nothing comes back to bite their clients. So, if it came from a NATO country and could be tracked, that would implicate NATO directly. If it came from Kosovo, security administered by bondsteel, it would be at best incompetence. If it came from Serbian territory, well someone's hands would be clean. The deep state would not be questioned in the US and heads wouldnt roll and contracts preserved.

icj1

pre 6 godina

Behind every move the US deep state makes there are a team of legal eagles ensuring nothing comes back to bite their clients. So, if it came from a NATO country and could be tracked, that would implicate NATO directly. If it came from Kosovo, security administered by bondsteel, it would be at best incompetence. If it came from Serbian territory, well someone's hands would be clean. The deep state would not be questioned in the US and heads wouldnt roll and contracts preserved.
(We know We can hear you now too, 6 May 2017 16:58)

It sounds like you control the "US deep state", whatever that means, to know all of the stuff above lol

the truth

pre 6 godina

"At the same time, the VBA noticed increased movements of members of the Albanian national minority from the Presevo and Bujanovac area toward Macedonia in the past days. The situation is similar when it comes to Albanians from Kosovo, above all those who are known as former fighters of the KLA," the source said.

When will Serbia stop this dirty propaganda crap!? You guys are sick.

Dwight

pre 6 godina

SNS nationalist propaganda is so obvious.
"We decided not to make this information public" said Vucic as he made the information public, "we don't want to be seen to be picking sides in any conflict between the savage muslim Albanian bastard immigrant cockroaches and our fantastic wonderful amazing non-corrupt patriotic white slavic orthodox brothers in the VRMO"

sj

pre 6 godina

These Albos are such poor bastards. They don't understand that they are being used. The US Piss and Wind wants to start a conflict so there is an excuse for NATO to come into Macedonia and keep the peace and then draw it into NATO. These idiots think that there will be a "Greater Albania", I hate to disappoint LOL. They will piss on the Albos from a great height and you will smile and call it a shower of good will. The dumber they are the harder they fall.

cry me a river

pre 6 godina

If Albanians wanted to smuggle weapons into Macedonia why not do it through Kosovo or Albania? One has to be really stupid to believe this stuff.

Nikola Tesla

pre 6 godina

Nothing new here, typical Albo's , trying doing their best at what they know, smuggling drugs, guns, and perhaps a few goats. They don't know anything else.

from Albania

pre 6 godina

hahah this was so poorly performed. The most funny things in all of these is when serbs say that we don't want to pick sides.. lol yeah right.

Let me guess you are with us this time. hahhaha

Do you serbs think that we and the world is that stupid as to believe all your bullshits?

Peter The Rocky Mountains

pre 6 godina

Serbian propaganda, All bull....!

No need for weapons to be smuggled into Macedonian I will bet that there is plenty of weaponry in Macedonia already! Enough to sustain a war for several years if need be!!!

Free

pre 6 godina

Let me guess: these "Albo terrorists" are the same guys who burned St Sava Church in NYC last year and blame it to candles. lol

Serbia buying jet-fighters proves that Serbia is peaceful. A gun picture downloaded from internet is a proof that Albanians are terrorists.
Very interesting point of view.

Beli

pre 6 godina

As for the Former Yugoslav Republic Macedonia(FYRM), sparrows tweet on the tree twigs that it will finally become an Albanian state(two thirds of the country). But there is no escaping the fact that this new entanglement was decided upon in Tirana, notoriously known as ‘’Tirana Platform’’. FYRM will have all the attributes of Albanian state. As regards the EU response, we can see an obvious double standard, minimizing events being far more likely to be criticized , turning a blind eye to what is happening in the countries where Albanians are always privileged citizens. Serbs as an ethnic minority will be in a difficult position. Serbia should do its best to help Serbs in FYRM save themselves from the ‘’deep quagmire’’. There is not a difference between Zaev and Gruevski and their policies . SWINGS AND ROUNDABOUTS. Gruevski recognized Kosovo as a state, supported Kosovo’s membership into UNESKO ,persecuted Serbian Orthodox bishops and priests. By reviewing history books by various authors, we find irrefutable facts that the temples in Kosovo are Serbian orthodox churches built by Serbian rulers in the Middle Ages. Zaev, a hypocrite, reported that Serbian politicians are nationalists. And finally , what about the large shipment of weaponry confiscated by Serbian VBA

kosovar

pre 6 godina

Oh! What a what a boomerang to those who came up with this report. Not very well thought, not at all. First who ever has just a little background on the events in Balkans it will immediately know that this is a crap and has no grounds at all. This article should not even had the change to reach the redactor and let alone the public. However I do see here two possible scenarios:

- Serbian government desperately wants to take the attention of the public away from the now prolonged demonstrations that it doesn't seem to end in the near future by creating scenarios like this one, tensions of whatever nature.

- The serbian government are preparing the terrain to swiftly intervene in Presevo valley in response to increased voices of albanian minority there. A scenario very likely to happen within two weeks time.

I hope not as that would be shooting yourself in the leg.

I spy a dictatorship in my eye

pre 6 godina

Fake news and moderated comments if this is the Slavic Standard* we could all use a little democracy right now.

God Bless America, God Bless a Free World.

Free

pre 6 godina

@ bucks

"Downloaded gun picture" was a reference of Serbs` proof of "Albanians gun smugglers". That is the only "prof" that this article provides, a downloaded gun picture.

Just like "terrorist Albanians burning St Sava Church NYC and a dozen of other Orthodox Churches in Australia, Russia etc".

klepto

pre 6 godina

@vepton,

i'm sure you are correct: if they wanted to smuggle weapons from kosovo or albania they would just do that. however, it would seem that these weapons were already in serbia, so you'd then suggest that they smuggle them into kosovo or albania first and then turn back to macedonia? crossing two borders is smarter/safer than crossing one?
you might be able to spot propaganda, but you don't seem to have a good grasp at spotting logic or geography

bucks

pre 6 godina

@free
"Serbia buying jet-fighters proves that Serbia is peaceful"

Yes, indeed that is correct. a fighter jet's role is primarily for air-to-air combat. it is used when unauthorized aircraft enter a nation's airspace, or when a bomber needs an escort.
a fighter jet alone is primarily a defense system. though some can be set up for ground attacks, most aren't. since it is the ground that humans in particular live on, ground attacks are what one would consider offensive, and air/sea attack capabilities are mostly defensive.

did you download a nice picture of a gun? do you need it to trace for your art class or something?

Brian Ghilliotti

pre 6 godina

These weapons probably originated from CIA sources, if they were not procured by Albanian organized crime from the 1997 Albanian upheaval. Soros and the nations supporting the fiat banking clans have probably decided to split the country. The 'slavic' Macedonians are also quietly arming too. These weapons will probably come from Sandzak sources (corrupt or sympathetic local police or military sources). The CIA can take care of this by activating Bosnian based ISIS cells to wreak havoc in Sandzak.

vepton

pre 6 godina

If they wanted to smuggle weapons they would easily do it via Kosovo or Albania and not Serbia. This is just another B92 propaganda article.

Stefan

pre 6 godina

I heard the Macedonians have the MI 24s Fueled up, Night Vision activated, Magazines are full and the army is blood thirsty are the aging KLA members prepared lol?

Prvoslav Kukić

pre 6 godina

This must be the load of weapons found in the vicinity of Prime Minister's family retreat at Jajinci several months ago...

bucks

pre 6 godina

@free

ahh, I see.

you're using your opinion to back your opinion.
you're not offering counter proof, but just your gut feel. i'm not sure that would hold up to much scrutiny.

might i ask what sort of proof you were expecting in a news article? afterall, this particular article is delivered on the internet. were you expecting the guns to come along with the link perhaps? over digital media, what other form of evidence (not proof) would you like? were you expecting that names of suspects be released prior to a commencement of judicial process? are you certain that those who might be suspected of this activity are not protected by some form of age-based clause?


you ask much of a journalist.

do you understand it is not the role of journalists to prove things. it is their role to reveal evidence, as much as they find, regardless of politics. it is the role of a court to determine the state of the situation based upon evidence provided.

leave the proving to the courts, leave the investigation to the investigators and the journalists just relay the information they have.

A five year old child

pre 6 godina

@free

ahh, I see.

you're using your opinion to back your opinion.
you're not offering counter proof, but just your gut feel. i'm not sure that would hold up to much scrutiny.

might i ask what sort of proof you were expecting in a news article? afterall, this particular article is delivered on the internet. were you expecting the guns to come along with the link perhaps? over digital media, what other form of evidence (not proof) would you like? were you expecting that names of suspects be released prior to a commencement of judicial process? are you certain that those who might be suspected of this activity are not protected by some form of age-based clause?


you ask much of a journalist.

do you understand it is not the role of journalists to prove things. it is their role to reveal evidence, as much as they find, regardless of politics. it is the role of a court to determine the state of the situation based upon evidence provided.

leave the proving to the courts, leave the investigation to the investigators and the journalists just relay the information they have.
(bucks, 4 May 2017 21:17)


bucks,
Sorry, not a very convincing argument.

icj1

pre 6 godina

"It is assumed that the weapons were intended for "the party infrastructure of the biggest Albanian parties" whose officials took part in armed conflicts in Macedonia, and in Kosovo and Metohija, the newspaper is reporting, citing "VBA sources.""

Oh, OK... so it's fake news and not a report since the paragraph above starts with "it is assumed"!

Free

pre 6 godina

@bucks

No, i don`t expect anything from journalists. They do their job: they report the news that government fabricates.

What do you mean "counter-proof" where there is no proof? No name, no face, no number... just a government`s declaration without evidence.

Yes, i`ll wait for the court verdict.
Who burned the St Sava Church in NYC after blaming "Albanian terrorists"?

Truth teller

pre 6 godina

What a bunch of crap! If Albanians wanted to buy guns, they wouldn't buy them from Serbia, they would buy from Albania or Kosovo! Liars!

bucks

pre 6 godina

@free

I can't tell you how the st sava church burnt down. all i can go by is the evidence that the fire marshal found, which suggested that it was extinguished candles that were the source of the massive fire.

you've really buried your shovel into the ground around this church fire. you can't seem to let it go.

now, perhaps you feel that it was albanian terrorists that did this. perhaps you are correct, but i would imagine that if you strongly believe that you would have some sort of evidence that i am not privy to.
however, if you are simply trolling trying to bait someone into acquiescing to your delusions and starting a flame war which is totally unrelated to the topic at hand i'd suggest that you grow up a bit.

there may have been early suggestions of foul play due to the statistically unlikely situation at the time, but cooler heads prevailed.

now, it is you who are acting hot headed. you are not waiting for further evidence to filter its way to the plebs like myself and yourself, but jumping to a conclusion. you're not offering anything concrete about the current topic, simply re-tweeting your conspiratorial bait and using that somehow as justification that the church fire has something to do with weapons smuggling.

We know We can hear you now too

pre 6 godina

If Albanians wanted to smuggle weapons into Macedonia why not do it through Kosovo or Albania? One has to be really stupid to believe this stuff.
(cry me a river, 4 May 2017 15:32)

Your pretty unarmed when it comes to following these sort of ops, the dark kind. Behind every move the US deep state makes there are a team of legal eagles ensuring nothing comes back to bite their clients. So, if it came from a NATO country and could be tracked, that would implicate NATO directly. If it came from Kosovo, security administered by bondsteel, it would be at best incompetence. If it came from Serbian territory, well someone's hands would be clean. The deep state would not be questioned in the US and heads wouldnt roll and contracts preserved.

icj1

pre 6 godina

Behind every move the US deep state makes there are a team of legal eagles ensuring nothing comes back to bite their clients. So, if it came from a NATO country and could be tracked, that would implicate NATO directly. If it came from Kosovo, security administered by bondsteel, it would be at best incompetence. If it came from Serbian territory, well someone's hands would be clean. The deep state would not be questioned in the US and heads wouldnt roll and contracts preserved.
(We know We can hear you now too, 6 May 2017 16:58)

It sounds like you control the "US deep state", whatever that means, to know all of the stuff above lol