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Thursday, 02.03.2017.

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"Albanians should take their rights into their own hands"

Hashim Thaci thinks that Macedonia "loses its meaning as a state" unless Albanians in that country enjoy equality.

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andrew

pre 7 godina

Albanians are indigenous and predate tha Slavs by 6000 years

Michael Danias

You're definitely wrong cos i am looking at a picture showing an albanian riding a dinausaur dated 170 million years ago.When the dinausaurs were exterminated by a comet the albanians survived somehow and formed the famous illyrians.
You need help michael.

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

What are you talking about, dear?! According to the most patriotic of Serbs, general Pavkovic was such a military genius that he achieved a great victory against NATO!
(icj1, 6 March 2017 15:05)

Both Pavkovic and Mladic with much less technology made General Wesley Clark look like a fool. Too bad NATO didn't send ground troops, it would have been lot of American body bags ten times worse than Iraq.

http://www.newsweek.com/kosovo-cover-160273

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

the Serb army maybe got burnt by NATO
(Ari Gold, 3 March 2017 17:49)

What are you talking about, dear?! According to the most patriotic of Serbs, general Pavkovic was such a military genius that he achieved a great victory against NATO!
(icj1, 6 March 2017 15:05)

Well hey, all NATO generals believed that it was impossible for Serbia to last even 2 weeks of NATO aggression. There was no contingency plan if Serbia could survive. It in fact survived 78 days, much longer than any of you guys could accomplish. Hell, you can't even subdue 30,000 Serbs in Northern Kosovo and we went toe to toe with the strongest military alliance on the planet.

rote

pre 7 godina

English a member of parliament or some politician who resides or represents Etobicoke (I believe that it's a suburb of Toronto and I'm under the impression that it has a sizeable Albanian community)so anyhow this politician claimed that what has occurred or what may occur is that in the province of Ontario there will be what is known as Albanian heritage month so my point is that at least Albanian expats residing in Ontario are more like requesting not demanding their rights (there's a bit of a difference between demanding and requesting where I'm sure most will understand the differences).

(resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada)

Fantasies and sweet dreams are good things ... sometimes. But most often the reality is different. Greater part of the toponymals in Canada and the USA (Amir-i Can) have Russian roots. I've promised to Skenderbeu-1444 to place a new list of the Russian toponimals this time with word ORDA/ARTA/HORDE and many of them are in Canada (Can Arda). Don't miss the chance and also go to page with words Albanians/ Whites/ Ak/ Balta/ Belta/ Abel to understand that original Albanians were norh-west Rus Great Princes of Vladimir-Suzdal like Murat I killed in Kosovo.

http://www.b92.net/eng/comments.php?nav_id=100482

ad hoq

Ontario = Hon Tario = Han Turio = Khan Turkic
Totonto = Tor Hanta = Tur khan-ta = Turkish Khans

icj1

pre 7 godina

the Serb army maybe got burnt by NATO
(Ari Gold, 3 March 2017 17:49)

What are you talking about, dear?! According to the most patriotic of Serbs, general Pavkovic was such a military genius that he achieved a great victory against NATO!

icj1

pre 7 godina

the Serb army maybe got burnt by NATO
(Ari Gold, 3 March 2017 17:49)

What are you talking about, dear?! According to the most patriotic of Serbs, general Pavkovic was such a military genius that he achieved a great victory against NATO!

Once Upon a Time

pre 7 godina

the Albanians are indigenous to this reason and predate Slavic settlement by 6000 years. they have more right to FYROM than the Bulgarian settlers. The Bulgarians should be learning Albanian.
(michael danias, 2 March 2017 22:48)

As is richly describe in copacious historical documents that everyone can see in museums around the world, not to mention their stunning architectural achievements that have stood the test of teim.

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 7 godina

Though this article concerns the rights of Macedonian-Albanians I thought I'd mention that today when I viewed on that Canadian multicultural t.v. network known as OMNI that Albanian-Canadian newsmagazine known as Pasqyra Shqiptare that the host who as expected is a Albanian national interviewed in English a member of parliament or some politician who resides or represents Etobicoke (I believe that it's a suburb of Toronto and I'm under the impression that it has a sizeable Albanian community)so anyhow this politician claimed that what has occurred or what may occur is that in the province of Ontario there will be what is known as Albanian heritage month so my point is that at least Albanian expats residing in Ontario are more like requesting not demanding their rights (there's a bit of a difference between demanding and requesting where I'm sure most will understand the differences).

Arn.Sweden.

pre 7 godina

Greaer Albania in the Making !.

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201703021051197755-macedonia-government-albania/?utm_source=adfox_site_41917&utm_medium=adfox_banner_2002405&utm_campaign=adfox_campaign_626011&ues=1

Genti

pre 7 godina

(stavre, 2 March 2017 16:57)

1. Albanians want their language to be official, because they are over 30% of the population. Macedonians in Albania are no more than 10,000. Even those people you claim in Golloborda call themselves Albanians, not Macedonians. And nowadays they mostly have Bulgarian passports because they can live in the EU as they please. If we had an official language for every little minority, than every Balkan country could easily have 10-20 official languages.

2. It's not true that there are no Albanians in Eastern or Central Macedonia. Many families there are now mixed and their children will be bilingual. And don't forget that about 10%-15% of those that call themselves Macedonian were Albanian Orthodox only one or two generations ago. They still speak or at least understand Albanian.

3. There was a reason why the Macedonian nation is separate from Bulgarian or Slavic. Look at the history of the Krushevo Republic and the founders of your nation. They were a mix of Slavic-speakers, Vlachs (romanized Illyrians) and even Albanian Orthodox. Macedonia has always had Illyrian roots and without the Albanian identity and language it would no longer be Macedonia, but Bulgaria or something else. If you claim to be ancient Macedonians, then you should also speak the language of Emathia (E Madhja). This can only strengthen your identity, not weaken it.

rote

pre 7 godina

Azir : Slavs invaded the Balkans during the 6/7 Century after being deported from their tree branches and caves in Ukraine/Russia. We are Indigenous....

FROM ___ http://www.b92.net/eng/comments.php?nav_id=100652

To the Shqiptars

Can anybody tell me what was your name before late 18 century, say before 1780 ? Because your next two names (Shqiptars and Albanians) definitely appeared after that date. What was your name in mid-18 century, in 17-th, in 16th ect. ??? Kindly give me reliable links where the meadiaeval sources you rely on are mentioned. There's no offence or an insult in being a young nation I think. At least older than the Americans, Germans, Swedes ect. Just tell me what makes you call yourself "plain speaking" one day and the "whites" the next day? Who told you that the historical Albanians (who left their footprints all over the earth) and you are the same people? Why do you think that the language wasn't enough factor to unite folks who had belonged to 3 different nations (milliets) of the Ottomans? Why do you avoid talking about identification of the Shqiptars ? Let's talk about it without nerves. I don't question when and where you have appeared from because this I don't know for sure but it must be interesting for you too. So I challenge you all and promise to behave.

(rote, 3 March 2017)

IN RETURN YOU GAVE ME 10 POOR COMMENTS WITH 1 LIKE ...
BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY SO SHUT UP FAST.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Kent you mean like Slav Serbs that invaded our ancestral homelands then claim our Kosova only to get BURNT by UCK/NATO forces?
(Azir, 3 March 2017 17:18)

Oh come on, you know very well that the Serb army maybe got burnt by NATO, but the UCK was unable to do absolutely anything until NATO cleared the way for them to rape and pillage the areas populated by Serb civilians.

Azir

pre 7 godina

Kent you mean like Slav Serbs that invaded our ancestral homelands then claim our Kosova only to get BURNT by UCK/NATO forces?

Slavs don't belong on sacred indigenous homelands of Shqiptares....

When you play with fire 🔥
Don't be surprised when you get BURNT.

And no a loss is not a"win" so don't go celebrating....

Kosova is Independent of Serb vermin.

Azir

pre 7 godina

Dear Ignorant Slav Serbs SS:

If you had any functioning brain cells you would know Slavs invaded the Balkans during the 6/7 Century after being deported from their tree branches and caves in Ukraine/Russia.

We are Indigenous....

Have been since the beginning of time and probably outlast the Sun.

rote

pre 7 godina

rote Slavs don't belong here. Its albanian territory always has always will be. Slavs need to get OUT from albanian lands. You can take them if you want! We dont want or need slavs! They are a waste of air (Goldeneagle, 2 March 2017 23:52)


мы мирные люди но наш бронепоезд стоит на запасном пути ___ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0sMqkC9FuM ___
we're peaceful people but our armored train is on the reserve rail.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

FYROM has started problems with Greece for decades now by trying to steal their culture and identity. Every Slav in FYROM was a Serb and then a Yugoalav less than a lifetime ago, but now FYROM has persecuted those who are still believers of the Serbian Orthodox Church. FYROM has conceded to the Albanians in regards to Kosovo-Metohija and now its not Serbia or Greece that is threatening the existence of FYROM, but Greater Albanian extremists. They will crush FYROM if FYROM doesnt smarten up fast.

Goldeneagle

pre 7 godina

rote

Slavs don't belong here. Its albanian territory always has always will be. Slavs need to get OUT from albanian lands. You can take them if you want! We dont want or need slavs! They are a waste of air!

michael danias

pre 7 godina

the Albanians are indigenous to this reason and predate Slavic settlement by 6000 years. they have more right to FYROM than the Bulgarian settlers. The Bulgarians should be learning Albanian.

Kent Prince

pre 7 godina

What happened to the rights of the over 200,000 displaced? The right of minorities not to live in fear.
The right not to have their books,churches burned. The right to their cultural heritage for which the albanians want to transition to albanian heritage. I.E. churches and landmarks. Changing of streets and villages names in order to change perceptions and history.

Sincerely.

Sotir Ilievski

pre 7 godina

Well Mr. Thaci, it didn't take long for you to step up to your terrorist pedigree. You want the Albanians to take their rights in their hands, do you? Good, then let's have the Serbs take their rights in their hands in Kosovo which is Serbia and clean out the lot of the human wast that has infested that beautiful Serbian land. The Macedonians too can take their rights in their own hands in Golo Brdo and Pustec in occupied Western Macedonia in that other Albanian infestation called Albania where some 450,000 Macedonians live with no rights and no political representation in parliament whatsoever. Compare that to the 275,000 Albanians living in Macedonia who have education in Albanian only from kindergarten to university and enjoy 20 political representatives in the Macedonian parliament. I know you think my population numbers are wrong, OK that's easy, let's have a census in Kosovo, Macedonia and Albania, only it must be transparent, if such a thing is possible with the likes of you. Never ask for more then you are prepared to give. That is why the time has come for Serbs to take their land Kosovo back, and also time for Macedonians to take Macedonia back, coexistence with you is impossible.

Kent Prince

pre 7 godina

I said in practical terms.
I.E. on the ground, daily, day to day living.
What is written on paper does not necessarily reflect what is happening in practice.

Savvy?

EA

pre 7 godina

Ivanov's decision was one of the most stupid decision a head of state from a democratic society can make. It really contributes to the split of this already artificial country.

Avni

pre 7 godina

Little Sloba's friend is right. It's funny how in Macedonia Albanians for decades were only 25% of the population (government statistics) knowing that Albanians have the largest population growth in Europe. If Serbs in Kosovo, who committed war crimes during the war and stood by Sloba can create their ZSO why can't Albanians in Macedonia (million or more of them) do the same or even be independent, knowing they border Kosovo and Albania. They can join whichever state they want.

L*O*G*I*C

pre 7 godina

Hey Thaci.

Are the Serbs and Roma equal in kosovo in practical terms?????
(ke, 2 March 2017 18:42)

Yes.

What rights are Kosovar minority not to privy in comparison with the majority?


Sincerely,

rote

pre 7 godina

Macedonians reap the rewards of their treason ! Today Serbs could be their natural ally. Yet we must forgive them and help them sufficiently to save this brave Slavic people. Both Serbs and the Macedonians desperately need friends to say nothing that their main threat comes from the same neighbor. Montenegro will be the next if it doesn't join the Montenegrins. Only under this condition the Shqiptars will restrict their fast growing appetite. They blackmail 3 Slavic states at the time and it's dangerous for the Shqiptars themselves.

ManFromMountains

pre 7 godina

The situation in the Balkans will not be peaceful when the economies aren't strong. Likewise, the economies will not be strong without peaceful citizens. Ordinary Albanians worry about the same thing that ordinary Macedonians worry about: caring for their children, ensuring proper education, and freedom to engage in commerce, movement, etc. Thaci should be more cautious about what he says. It is not wise to gamble with nationalism. The ordinary people will always be the losers.

Therret Prizreni

pre 7 godina

ke: "Are the Serbs and Roma equal in kosovo in practical terms?????"

Why do you ask? Serbian is an official language in Kosova, even though Serbs only constitute 1.5% of the population. Albanians are asking for the same right in Macedonia, and range between 25-30% of the population.

EE

pre 7 godina

First off this is not about albanian language at the first place. This is just an exscuse. The main issue here is that Gruevski wants still to be in power and Russia wants him too to be in power. Therefore they are creating and promoting the albanophobia and antialbanian sentiment by saying that albanians want to take over. In order to block Zaev to form his government.

This also a west-east confrontation. Russia wants her corrupted and criminal puppets to stay in power and they are doing everything to succed. At the end they'll loose anyways.

Tony (a Brit currently working in Berlin)

pre 7 godina

Albanians can take the destiny of their rights in their own hands in Albania. They have more rights in Macedonia (and Serbia) than Macedonians or Serbs have in Albania or in Albanian-occupied Kosovo. Thinly veiled threats against their neighbours should not be tolerated by the international community. But as long as Mother Merkel protects him, he thinks that he can do what he likes and effectively he can. I, for one, would like to see an end to Thaci soon. Very soon.

stavre

pre 7 godina

Facts:

1) Albanians have more (i.e., too much) rights in Macedonia, much more than Macedonians have in Albania (or Serbs in Kosovo).

2) "Equality" as an abstract concept does not entail the imposition of a language spoken by a minority community onto the majority/dominant community, even if Albanians actually make up 1/3 (33%) of Macedonia's population, which by almost all accounts they do not. There are nearly zero Albanians in central Macedonia and zero in eastern Macedonia -- why should they have to use Albanian?

3) Sweeping statements that Albanians make up 1/3 of Macedonia's population should be supported by facts, which can only be confirmed via census. Macedonia needs to conduct a new census ASAP, after which all parties will have the facts they need to determine what to do policy-wise. Why would the Albanians have agreed to a 20% threshold at the time of signing the 2001 Ohrid Framework Agreement, if they are so convinced that they make up nearly 40% of the total population?

4) Irrespective of the number of Albanians in Macedonia, there are already two Albanian states in the Balkans, so it's absurd and unnecessary to have a de facto third Albanian state.

Thaci should get a grip. In the meantime, the next Macedonian government needs to take immediate steps to bolster relations with Bulgaria, which has a genuine vested interest, rooted in history, to keep Macedonia as whole and stable as possible.

stavre

pre 7 godina

Facts:

1) Albanians have more (i.e., too much) rights in Macedonia, much more than Macedonians have in Albania (or Serbs in Kosovo).

2) "Equality" as an abstract concept does not entail the imposition of a language spoken by a minority community onto the majority/dominant community, even if Albanians actually make up 1/3 (33%) of Macedonia's population, which by almost all accounts they do not. There are nearly zero Albanians in central Macedonia and zero in eastern Macedonia -- why should they have to use Albanian?

3) Sweeping statements that Albanians make up 1/3 of Macedonia's population should be supported by facts, which can only be confirmed via census. Macedonia needs to conduct a new census ASAP, after which all parties will have the facts they need to determine what to do policy-wise. Why would the Albanians have agreed to a 20% threshold at the time of signing the 2001 Ohrid Framework Agreement, if they are so convinced that they make up nearly 40% of the total population?

4) Irrespective of the number of Albanians in Macedonia, there are already two Albanian states in the Balkans, so it's absurd and unnecessary to have a de facto third Albanian state.

Thaci should get a grip. In the meantime, the next Macedonian government needs to take immediate steps to bolster relations with Bulgaria, which has a genuine vested interest, rooted in history, to keep Macedonia as whole and stable as possible.

Tony (a Brit currently working in Berlin)

pre 7 godina

Albanians can take the destiny of their rights in their own hands in Albania. They have more rights in Macedonia (and Serbia) than Macedonians or Serbs have in Albania or in Albanian-occupied Kosovo. Thinly veiled threats against their neighbours should not be tolerated by the international community. But as long as Mother Merkel protects him, he thinks that he can do what he likes and effectively he can. I, for one, would like to see an end to Thaci soon. Very soon.

Therret Prizreni

pre 7 godina

ke: "Are the Serbs and Roma equal in kosovo in practical terms?????"

Why do you ask? Serbian is an official language in Kosova, even though Serbs only constitute 1.5% of the population. Albanians are asking for the same right in Macedonia, and range between 25-30% of the population.

EE

pre 7 godina

First off this is not about albanian language at the first place. This is just an exscuse. The main issue here is that Gruevski wants still to be in power and Russia wants him too to be in power. Therefore they are creating and promoting the albanophobia and antialbanian sentiment by saying that albanians want to take over. In order to block Zaev to form his government.

This also a west-east confrontation. Russia wants her corrupted and criminal puppets to stay in power and they are doing everything to succed. At the end they'll loose anyways.

rote

pre 7 godina

Macedonians reap the rewards of their treason ! Today Serbs could be their natural ally. Yet we must forgive them and help them sufficiently to save this brave Slavic people. Both Serbs and the Macedonians desperately need friends to say nothing that their main threat comes from the same neighbor. Montenegro will be the next if it doesn't join the Montenegrins. Only under this condition the Shqiptars will restrict their fast growing appetite. They blackmail 3 Slavic states at the time and it's dangerous for the Shqiptars themselves.

ManFromMountains

pre 7 godina

The situation in the Balkans will not be peaceful when the economies aren't strong. Likewise, the economies will not be strong without peaceful citizens. Ordinary Albanians worry about the same thing that ordinary Macedonians worry about: caring for their children, ensuring proper education, and freedom to engage in commerce, movement, etc. Thaci should be more cautious about what he says. It is not wise to gamble with nationalism. The ordinary people will always be the losers.

Avni

pre 7 godina

Little Sloba's friend is right. It's funny how in Macedonia Albanians for decades were only 25% of the population (government statistics) knowing that Albanians have the largest population growth in Europe. If Serbs in Kosovo, who committed war crimes during the war and stood by Sloba can create their ZSO why can't Albanians in Macedonia (million or more of them) do the same or even be independent, knowing they border Kosovo and Albania. They can join whichever state they want.

Sotir Ilievski

pre 7 godina

Well Mr. Thaci, it didn't take long for you to step up to your terrorist pedigree. You want the Albanians to take their rights in their hands, do you? Good, then let's have the Serbs take their rights in their hands in Kosovo which is Serbia and clean out the lot of the human wast that has infested that beautiful Serbian land. The Macedonians too can take their rights in their own hands in Golo Brdo and Pustec in occupied Western Macedonia in that other Albanian infestation called Albania where some 450,000 Macedonians live with no rights and no political representation in parliament whatsoever. Compare that to the 275,000 Albanians living in Macedonia who have education in Albanian only from kindergarten to university and enjoy 20 political representatives in the Macedonian parliament. I know you think my population numbers are wrong, OK that's easy, let's have a census in Kosovo, Macedonia and Albania, only it must be transparent, if such a thing is possible with the likes of you. Never ask for more then you are prepared to give. That is why the time has come for Serbs to take their land Kosovo back, and also time for Macedonians to take Macedonia back, coexistence with you is impossible.

L*O*G*I*C

pre 7 godina

Hey Thaci.

Are the Serbs and Roma equal in kosovo in practical terms?????
(ke, 2 March 2017 18:42)

Yes.

What rights are Kosovar minority not to privy in comparison with the majority?


Sincerely,

Goldeneagle

pre 7 godina

rote

Slavs don't belong here. Its albanian territory always has always will be. Slavs need to get OUT from albanian lands. You can take them if you want! We dont want or need slavs! They are a waste of air!

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Kent you mean like Slav Serbs that invaded our ancestral homelands then claim our Kosova only to get BURNT by UCK/NATO forces?
(Azir, 3 March 2017 17:18)

Oh come on, you know very well that the Serb army maybe got burnt by NATO, but the UCK was unable to do absolutely anything until NATO cleared the way for them to rape and pillage the areas populated by Serb civilians.

michael danias

pre 7 godina

the Albanians are indigenous to this reason and predate Slavic settlement by 6000 years. they have more right to FYROM than the Bulgarian settlers. The Bulgarians should be learning Albanian.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

FYROM has started problems with Greece for decades now by trying to steal their culture and identity. Every Slav in FYROM was a Serb and then a Yugoalav less than a lifetime ago, but now FYROM has persecuted those who are still believers of the Serbian Orthodox Church. FYROM has conceded to the Albanians in regards to Kosovo-Metohija and now its not Serbia or Greece that is threatening the existence of FYROM, but Greater Albanian extremists. They will crush FYROM if FYROM doesnt smarten up fast.

Kent Prince

pre 7 godina

What happened to the rights of the over 200,000 displaced? The right of minorities not to live in fear.
The right not to have their books,churches burned. The right to their cultural heritage for which the albanians want to transition to albanian heritage. I.E. churches and landmarks. Changing of streets and villages names in order to change perceptions and history.

Sincerely.

EA

pre 7 godina

Ivanov's decision was one of the most stupid decision a head of state from a democratic society can make. It really contributes to the split of this already artificial country.

Azir

pre 7 godina

Dear Ignorant Slav Serbs SS:

If you had any functioning brain cells you would know Slavs invaded the Balkans during the 6/7 Century after being deported from their tree branches and caves in Ukraine/Russia.

We are Indigenous....

Have been since the beginning of time and probably outlast the Sun.

Azir

pre 7 godina

Kent you mean like Slav Serbs that invaded our ancestral homelands then claim our Kosova only to get BURNT by UCK/NATO forces?

Slavs don't belong on sacred indigenous homelands of Shqiptares....

When you play with fire 🔥
Don't be surprised when you get BURNT.

And no a loss is not a"win" so don't go celebrating....

Kosova is Independent of Serb vermin.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

the Serb army maybe got burnt by NATO
(Ari Gold, 3 March 2017 17:49)

What are you talking about, dear?! According to the most patriotic of Serbs, general Pavkovic was such a military genius that he achieved a great victory against NATO!
(icj1, 6 March 2017 15:05)

Well hey, all NATO generals believed that it was impossible for Serbia to last even 2 weeks of NATO aggression. There was no contingency plan if Serbia could survive. It in fact survived 78 days, much longer than any of you guys could accomplish. Hell, you can't even subdue 30,000 Serbs in Northern Kosovo and we went toe to toe with the strongest military alliance on the planet.

andrew

pre 7 godina

Albanians are indigenous and predate tha Slavs by 6000 years

Michael Danias

You're definitely wrong cos i am looking at a picture showing an albanian riding a dinausaur dated 170 million years ago.When the dinausaurs were exterminated by a comet the albanians survived somehow and formed the famous illyrians.
You need help michael.

Kent Prince

pre 7 godina

I said in practical terms.
I.E. on the ground, daily, day to day living.
What is written on paper does not necessarily reflect what is happening in practice.

Savvy?

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

What are you talking about, dear?! According to the most patriotic of Serbs, general Pavkovic was such a military genius that he achieved a great victory against NATO!
(icj1, 6 March 2017 15:05)

Both Pavkovic and Mladic with much less technology made General Wesley Clark look like a fool. Too bad NATO didn't send ground troops, it would have been lot of American body bags ten times worse than Iraq.

http://www.newsweek.com/kosovo-cover-160273

rote

pre 7 godina

rote Slavs don't belong here. Its albanian territory always has always will be. Slavs need to get OUT from albanian lands. You can take them if you want! We dont want or need slavs! They are a waste of air (Goldeneagle, 2 March 2017 23:52)


мы мирные люди но наш бронепоезд стоит на запасном пути ___ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0sMqkC9FuM ___
we're peaceful people but our armored train is on the reserve rail.

rote

pre 7 godina

Azir : Slavs invaded the Balkans during the 6/7 Century after being deported from their tree branches and caves in Ukraine/Russia. We are Indigenous....

FROM ___ http://www.b92.net/eng/comments.php?nav_id=100652

To the Shqiptars

Can anybody tell me what was your name before late 18 century, say before 1780 ? Because your next two names (Shqiptars and Albanians) definitely appeared after that date. What was your name in mid-18 century, in 17-th, in 16th ect. ??? Kindly give me reliable links where the meadiaeval sources you rely on are mentioned. There's no offence or an insult in being a young nation I think. At least older than the Americans, Germans, Swedes ect. Just tell me what makes you call yourself "plain speaking" one day and the "whites" the next day? Who told you that the historical Albanians (who left their footprints all over the earth) and you are the same people? Why do you think that the language wasn't enough factor to unite folks who had belonged to 3 different nations (milliets) of the Ottomans? Why do you avoid talking about identification of the Shqiptars ? Let's talk about it without nerves. I don't question when and where you have appeared from because this I don't know for sure but it must be interesting for you too. So I challenge you all and promise to behave.

(rote, 3 March 2017)

IN RETURN YOU GAVE ME 10 POOR COMMENTS WITH 1 LIKE ...
BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY SO SHUT UP FAST.

Genti

pre 7 godina

(stavre, 2 March 2017 16:57)

1. Albanians want their language to be official, because they are over 30% of the population. Macedonians in Albania are no more than 10,000. Even those people you claim in Golloborda call themselves Albanians, not Macedonians. And nowadays they mostly have Bulgarian passports because they can live in the EU as they please. If we had an official language for every little minority, than every Balkan country could easily have 10-20 official languages.

2. It's not true that there are no Albanians in Eastern or Central Macedonia. Many families there are now mixed and their children will be bilingual. And don't forget that about 10%-15% of those that call themselves Macedonian were Albanian Orthodox only one or two generations ago. They still speak or at least understand Albanian.

3. There was a reason why the Macedonian nation is separate from Bulgarian or Slavic. Look at the history of the Krushevo Republic and the founders of your nation. They were a mix of Slavic-speakers, Vlachs (romanized Illyrians) and even Albanian Orthodox. Macedonia has always had Illyrian roots and without the Albanian identity and language it would no longer be Macedonia, but Bulgaria or something else. If you claim to be ancient Macedonians, then you should also speak the language of Emathia (E Madhja). This can only strengthen your identity, not weaken it.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 7 godina

Greaer Albania in the Making !.

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201703021051197755-macedonia-government-albania/?utm_source=adfox_site_41917&utm_medium=adfox_banner_2002405&utm_campaign=adfox_campaign_626011&ues=1

icj1

pre 7 godina

the Serb army maybe got burnt by NATO
(Ari Gold, 3 March 2017 17:49)

What are you talking about, dear?! According to the most patriotic of Serbs, general Pavkovic was such a military genius that he achieved a great victory against NATO!

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 7 godina

Though this article concerns the rights of Macedonian-Albanians I thought I'd mention that today when I viewed on that Canadian multicultural t.v. network known as OMNI that Albanian-Canadian newsmagazine known as Pasqyra Shqiptare that the host who as expected is a Albanian national interviewed in English a member of parliament or some politician who resides or represents Etobicoke (I believe that it's a suburb of Toronto and I'm under the impression that it has a sizeable Albanian community)so anyhow this politician claimed that what has occurred or what may occur is that in the province of Ontario there will be what is known as Albanian heritage month so my point is that at least Albanian expats residing in Ontario are more like requesting not demanding their rights (there's a bit of a difference between demanding and requesting where I'm sure most will understand the differences).

Once Upon a Time

pre 7 godina

the Albanians are indigenous to this reason and predate Slavic settlement by 6000 years. they have more right to FYROM than the Bulgarian settlers. The Bulgarians should be learning Albanian.
(michael danias, 2 March 2017 22:48)

As is richly describe in copacious historical documents that everyone can see in museums around the world, not to mention their stunning architectural achievements that have stood the test of teim.

icj1

pre 7 godina

the Serb army maybe got burnt by NATO
(Ari Gold, 3 March 2017 17:49)

What are you talking about, dear?! According to the most patriotic of Serbs, general Pavkovic was such a military genius that he achieved a great victory against NATO!

rote

pre 7 godina

English a member of parliament or some politician who resides or represents Etobicoke (I believe that it's a suburb of Toronto and I'm under the impression that it has a sizeable Albanian community)so anyhow this politician claimed that what has occurred or what may occur is that in the province of Ontario there will be what is known as Albanian heritage month so my point is that at least Albanian expats residing in Ontario are more like requesting not demanding their rights (there's a bit of a difference between demanding and requesting where I'm sure most will understand the differences).

(resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada)

Fantasies and sweet dreams are good things ... sometimes. But most often the reality is different. Greater part of the toponymals in Canada and the USA (Amir-i Can) have Russian roots. I've promised to Skenderbeu-1444 to place a new list of the Russian toponimals this time with word ORDA/ARTA/HORDE and many of them are in Canada (Can Arda). Don't miss the chance and also go to page with words Albanians/ Whites/ Ak/ Balta/ Belta/ Abel to understand that original Albanians were norh-west Rus Great Princes of Vladimir-Suzdal like Murat I killed in Kosovo.

http://www.b92.net/eng/comments.php?nav_id=100482

ad hoq

Ontario = Hon Tario = Han Turio = Khan Turkic
Totonto = Tor Hanta = Tur khan-ta = Turkish Khans

EE

pre 7 godina

First off this is not about albanian language at the first place. This is just an exscuse. The main issue here is that Gruevski wants still to be in power and Russia wants him too to be in power. Therefore they are creating and promoting the albanophobia and antialbanian sentiment by saying that albanians want to take over. In order to block Zaev to form his government.

This also a west-east confrontation. Russia wants her corrupted and criminal puppets to stay in power and they are doing everything to succed. At the end they'll loose anyways.

Therret Prizreni

pre 7 godina

ke: "Are the Serbs and Roma equal in kosovo in practical terms?????"

Why do you ask? Serbian is an official language in Kosova, even though Serbs only constitute 1.5% of the population. Albanians are asking for the same right in Macedonia, and range between 25-30% of the population.

stavre

pre 7 godina

Facts:

1) Albanians have more (i.e., too much) rights in Macedonia, much more than Macedonians have in Albania (or Serbs in Kosovo).

2) "Equality" as an abstract concept does not entail the imposition of a language spoken by a minority community onto the majority/dominant community, even if Albanians actually make up 1/3 (33%) of Macedonia's population, which by almost all accounts they do not. There are nearly zero Albanians in central Macedonia and zero in eastern Macedonia -- why should they have to use Albanian?

3) Sweeping statements that Albanians make up 1/3 of Macedonia's population should be supported by facts, which can only be confirmed via census. Macedonia needs to conduct a new census ASAP, after which all parties will have the facts they need to determine what to do policy-wise. Why would the Albanians have agreed to a 20% threshold at the time of signing the 2001 Ohrid Framework Agreement, if they are so convinced that they make up nearly 40% of the total population?

4) Irrespective of the number of Albanians in Macedonia, there are already two Albanian states in the Balkans, so it's absurd and unnecessary to have a de facto third Albanian state.

Thaci should get a grip. In the meantime, the next Macedonian government needs to take immediate steps to bolster relations with Bulgaria, which has a genuine vested interest, rooted in history, to keep Macedonia as whole and stable as possible.

Avni

pre 7 godina

Little Sloba's friend is right. It's funny how in Macedonia Albanians for decades were only 25% of the population (government statistics) knowing that Albanians have the largest population growth in Europe. If Serbs in Kosovo, who committed war crimes during the war and stood by Sloba can create their ZSO why can't Albanians in Macedonia (million or more of them) do the same or even be independent, knowing they border Kosovo and Albania. They can join whichever state they want.

Tony (a Brit currently working in Berlin)

pre 7 godina

Albanians can take the destiny of their rights in their own hands in Albania. They have more rights in Macedonia (and Serbia) than Macedonians or Serbs have in Albania or in Albanian-occupied Kosovo. Thinly veiled threats against their neighbours should not be tolerated by the international community. But as long as Mother Merkel protects him, he thinks that he can do what he likes and effectively he can. I, for one, would like to see an end to Thaci soon. Very soon.

rote

pre 7 godina

Macedonians reap the rewards of their treason ! Today Serbs could be their natural ally. Yet we must forgive them and help them sufficiently to save this brave Slavic people. Both Serbs and the Macedonians desperately need friends to say nothing that their main threat comes from the same neighbor. Montenegro will be the next if it doesn't join the Montenegrins. Only under this condition the Shqiptars will restrict their fast growing appetite. They blackmail 3 Slavic states at the time and it's dangerous for the Shqiptars themselves.

michael danias

pre 7 godina

the Albanians are indigenous to this reason and predate Slavic settlement by 6000 years. they have more right to FYROM than the Bulgarian settlers. The Bulgarians should be learning Albanian.

L*O*G*I*C

pre 7 godina

Hey Thaci.

Are the Serbs and Roma equal in kosovo in practical terms?????
(ke, 2 March 2017 18:42)

Yes.

What rights are Kosovar minority not to privy in comparison with the majority?


Sincerely,

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Kent you mean like Slav Serbs that invaded our ancestral homelands then claim our Kosova only to get BURNT by UCK/NATO forces?
(Azir, 3 March 2017 17:18)

Oh come on, you know very well that the Serb army maybe got burnt by NATO, but the UCK was unable to do absolutely anything until NATO cleared the way for them to rape and pillage the areas populated by Serb civilians.

Goldeneagle

pre 7 godina

rote

Slavs don't belong here. Its albanian territory always has always will be. Slavs need to get OUT from albanian lands. You can take them if you want! We dont want or need slavs! They are a waste of air!

Azir

pre 7 godina

Kent you mean like Slav Serbs that invaded our ancestral homelands then claim our Kosova only to get BURNT by UCK/NATO forces?

Slavs don't belong on sacred indigenous homelands of Shqiptares....

When you play with fire 🔥
Don't be surprised when you get BURNT.

And no a loss is not a"win" so don't go celebrating....

Kosova is Independent of Serb vermin.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

FYROM has started problems with Greece for decades now by trying to steal their culture and identity. Every Slav in FYROM was a Serb and then a Yugoalav less than a lifetime ago, but now FYROM has persecuted those who are still believers of the Serbian Orthodox Church. FYROM has conceded to the Albanians in regards to Kosovo-Metohija and now its not Serbia or Greece that is threatening the existence of FYROM, but Greater Albanian extremists. They will crush FYROM if FYROM doesnt smarten up fast.

Azir

pre 7 godina

Dear Ignorant Slav Serbs SS:

If you had any functioning brain cells you would know Slavs invaded the Balkans during the 6/7 Century after being deported from their tree branches and caves in Ukraine/Russia.

We are Indigenous....

Have been since the beginning of time and probably outlast the Sun.

Sotir Ilievski

pre 7 godina

Well Mr. Thaci, it didn't take long for you to step up to your terrorist pedigree. You want the Albanians to take their rights in their hands, do you? Good, then let's have the Serbs take their rights in their hands in Kosovo which is Serbia and clean out the lot of the human wast that has infested that beautiful Serbian land. The Macedonians too can take their rights in their own hands in Golo Brdo and Pustec in occupied Western Macedonia in that other Albanian infestation called Albania where some 450,000 Macedonians live with no rights and no political representation in parliament whatsoever. Compare that to the 275,000 Albanians living in Macedonia who have education in Albanian only from kindergarten to university and enjoy 20 political representatives in the Macedonian parliament. I know you think my population numbers are wrong, OK that's easy, let's have a census in Kosovo, Macedonia and Albania, only it must be transparent, if such a thing is possible with the likes of you. Never ask for more then you are prepared to give. That is why the time has come for Serbs to take their land Kosovo back, and also time for Macedonians to take Macedonia back, coexistence with you is impossible.

EA

pre 7 godina

Ivanov's decision was one of the most stupid decision a head of state from a democratic society can make. It really contributes to the split of this already artificial country.

rote

pre 7 godina

rote Slavs don't belong here. Its albanian territory always has always will be. Slavs need to get OUT from albanian lands. You can take them if you want! We dont want or need slavs! They are a waste of air (Goldeneagle, 2 March 2017 23:52)


мы мирные люди но наш бронепоезд стоит на запасном пути ___ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0sMqkC9FuM ___
we're peaceful people but our armored train is on the reserve rail.

rote

pre 7 godina

Azir : Slavs invaded the Balkans during the 6/7 Century after being deported from their tree branches and caves in Ukraine/Russia. We are Indigenous....

FROM ___ http://www.b92.net/eng/comments.php?nav_id=100652

To the Shqiptars

Can anybody tell me what was your name before late 18 century, say before 1780 ? Because your next two names (Shqiptars and Albanians) definitely appeared after that date. What was your name in mid-18 century, in 17-th, in 16th ect. ??? Kindly give me reliable links where the meadiaeval sources you rely on are mentioned. There's no offence or an insult in being a young nation I think. At least older than the Americans, Germans, Swedes ect. Just tell me what makes you call yourself "plain speaking" one day and the "whites" the next day? Who told you that the historical Albanians (who left their footprints all over the earth) and you are the same people? Why do you think that the language wasn't enough factor to unite folks who had belonged to 3 different nations (milliets) of the Ottomans? Why do you avoid talking about identification of the Shqiptars ? Let's talk about it without nerves. I don't question when and where you have appeared from because this I don't know for sure but it must be interesting for you too. So I challenge you all and promise to behave.

(rote, 3 March 2017)

IN RETURN YOU GAVE ME 10 POOR COMMENTS WITH 1 LIKE ...
BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY SO SHUT UP FAST.

Genti

pre 7 godina

(stavre, 2 March 2017 16:57)

1. Albanians want their language to be official, because they are over 30% of the population. Macedonians in Albania are no more than 10,000. Even those people you claim in Golloborda call themselves Albanians, not Macedonians. And nowadays they mostly have Bulgarian passports because they can live in the EU as they please. If we had an official language for every little minority, than every Balkan country could easily have 10-20 official languages.

2. It's not true that there are no Albanians in Eastern or Central Macedonia. Many families there are now mixed and their children will be bilingual. And don't forget that about 10%-15% of those that call themselves Macedonian were Albanian Orthodox only one or two generations ago. They still speak or at least understand Albanian.

3. There was a reason why the Macedonian nation is separate from Bulgarian or Slavic. Look at the history of the Krushevo Republic and the founders of your nation. They were a mix of Slavic-speakers, Vlachs (romanized Illyrians) and even Albanian Orthodox. Macedonia has always had Illyrian roots and without the Albanian identity and language it would no longer be Macedonia, but Bulgaria or something else. If you claim to be ancient Macedonians, then you should also speak the language of Emathia (E Madhja). This can only strengthen your identity, not weaken it.

Kent Prince

pre 7 godina

What happened to the rights of the over 200,000 displaced? The right of minorities not to live in fear.
The right not to have their books,churches burned. The right to their cultural heritage for which the albanians want to transition to albanian heritage. I.E. churches and landmarks. Changing of streets and villages names in order to change perceptions and history.

Sincerely.

Kent Prince

pre 7 godina

I said in practical terms.
I.E. on the ground, daily, day to day living.
What is written on paper does not necessarily reflect what is happening in practice.

Savvy?

andrew

pre 7 godina

Albanians are indigenous and predate tha Slavs by 6000 years

Michael Danias

You're definitely wrong cos i am looking at a picture showing an albanian riding a dinausaur dated 170 million years ago.When the dinausaurs were exterminated by a comet the albanians survived somehow and formed the famous illyrians.
You need help michael.

rote

pre 7 godina

English a member of parliament or some politician who resides or represents Etobicoke (I believe that it's a suburb of Toronto and I'm under the impression that it has a sizeable Albanian community)so anyhow this politician claimed that what has occurred or what may occur is that in the province of Ontario there will be what is known as Albanian heritage month so my point is that at least Albanian expats residing in Ontario are more like requesting not demanding their rights (there's a bit of a difference between demanding and requesting where I'm sure most will understand the differences).

(resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada)

Fantasies and sweet dreams are good things ... sometimes. But most often the reality is different. Greater part of the toponymals in Canada and the USA (Amir-i Can) have Russian roots. I've promised to Skenderbeu-1444 to place a new list of the Russian toponimals this time with word ORDA/ARTA/HORDE and many of them are in Canada (Can Arda). Don't miss the chance and also go to page with words Albanians/ Whites/ Ak/ Balta/ Belta/ Abel to understand that original Albanians were norh-west Rus Great Princes of Vladimir-Suzdal like Murat I killed in Kosovo.

http://www.b92.net/eng/comments.php?nav_id=100482

ad hoq

Ontario = Hon Tario = Han Turio = Khan Turkic
Totonto = Tor Hanta = Tur khan-ta = Turkish Khans

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

What are you talking about, dear?! According to the most patriotic of Serbs, general Pavkovic was such a military genius that he achieved a great victory against NATO!
(icj1, 6 March 2017 15:05)

Both Pavkovic and Mladic with much less technology made General Wesley Clark look like a fool. Too bad NATO didn't send ground troops, it would have been lot of American body bags ten times worse than Iraq.

http://www.newsweek.com/kosovo-cover-160273

ManFromMountains

pre 7 godina

The situation in the Balkans will not be peaceful when the economies aren't strong. Likewise, the economies will not be strong without peaceful citizens. Ordinary Albanians worry about the same thing that ordinary Macedonians worry about: caring for their children, ensuring proper education, and freedom to engage in commerce, movement, etc. Thaci should be more cautious about what he says. It is not wise to gamble with nationalism. The ordinary people will always be the losers.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 7 godina

Greaer Albania in the Making !.

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201703021051197755-macedonia-government-albania/?utm_source=adfox_site_41917&utm_medium=adfox_banner_2002405&utm_campaign=adfox_campaign_626011&ues=1

icj1

pre 7 godina

the Serb army maybe got burnt by NATO
(Ari Gold, 3 March 2017 17:49)

What are you talking about, dear?! According to the most patriotic of Serbs, general Pavkovic was such a military genius that he achieved a great victory against NATO!

icj1

pre 7 godina

the Serb army maybe got burnt by NATO
(Ari Gold, 3 March 2017 17:49)

What are you talking about, dear?! According to the most patriotic of Serbs, general Pavkovic was such a military genius that he achieved a great victory against NATO!

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

the Serb army maybe got burnt by NATO
(Ari Gold, 3 March 2017 17:49)

What are you talking about, dear?! According to the most patriotic of Serbs, general Pavkovic was such a military genius that he achieved a great victory against NATO!
(icj1, 6 March 2017 15:05)

Well hey, all NATO generals believed that it was impossible for Serbia to last even 2 weeks of NATO aggression. There was no contingency plan if Serbia could survive. It in fact survived 78 days, much longer than any of you guys could accomplish. Hell, you can't even subdue 30,000 Serbs in Northern Kosovo and we went toe to toe with the strongest military alliance on the planet.

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 7 godina

Though this article concerns the rights of Macedonian-Albanians I thought I'd mention that today when I viewed on that Canadian multicultural t.v. network known as OMNI that Albanian-Canadian newsmagazine known as Pasqyra Shqiptare that the host who as expected is a Albanian national interviewed in English a member of parliament or some politician who resides or represents Etobicoke (I believe that it's a suburb of Toronto and I'm under the impression that it has a sizeable Albanian community)so anyhow this politician claimed that what has occurred or what may occur is that in the province of Ontario there will be what is known as Albanian heritage month so my point is that at least Albanian expats residing in Ontario are more like requesting not demanding their rights (there's a bit of a difference between demanding and requesting where I'm sure most will understand the differences).

Once Upon a Time

pre 7 godina

the Albanians are indigenous to this reason and predate Slavic settlement by 6000 years. they have more right to FYROM than the Bulgarian settlers. The Bulgarians should be learning Albanian.
(michael danias, 2 March 2017 22:48)

As is richly describe in copacious historical documents that everyone can see in museums around the world, not to mention their stunning architectural achievements that have stood the test of teim.