"Serbia has 80% chance of joining EU; but not before 2027"

" Mostly free from the complications of the Jugoslav wars of the 1990's ?

Very nice, Albanian Islamic terrorist, Croatian Nazi Ustase, Bosnian Islamic terrorist all clean in the eyes of the USA, England, Germany and Nazi led Roman Catholic Empire! Srbija the most complicated one because we Serb's were tortured, raped, robbed, murdered and all earthly possessions stolen by the Islamic terrorist and Croatian Nazi Ustase " Freedom Fighters "! So every one here clean except Srbija, right? 2024 wow that is a long time from now and 80% chance, odds much against all Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity in the Balkans!!!

Serbia has tied itself to the rotting corpse of the EU. If it wastes another 10 years on EU negotiations, then Serbia will become an unemployed wasteland.

There are alternatives to the EU. No one should kid themselves that working with Russia and China will bring untold riches, but it will bring untold opportunities for Serbs who are creative and who want to work. Serbia's position at the centre of Europe but not in the EU makes it an attractive location. Serbia should exploit every opportunity it has and it should avoid Dead-End initiatives like joining the EU.

they really shouldn't waste their breath on these negotiations. EU will completely disintegrate by 10 years. Serbia should just stop this RIGHT NOW. say NO.

Dwight

Serbia is not a member of the EU, and even if becomes a member in 2027 or whenever, why would anyone expect it to prosper any more than Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria or Greece. What has the EU done for these member states? If Serbia dropped its EU bid and stopped its romance with the barbaric NATO Pact, then an invitation to the join the Eurasian Union would soon arrive. A third of the world's population live in the countries of the Eurasian Union and they need many of the things Serbia produces. One-tenth of the world's population live in the western EU, and they have more than enough to buy and show little interest in Serbian produce. Serbian has little to gain from the western EU (which is closed to it anyhow), but has a massive and friendly market waiting for it in the eastern EU.

(Michael Thomas, 16 December 2016 09:53)

"bring untold opportunities for Serbs who are creative and who want to work."

But here is a problem. The Serbs never wanted to work or ask for any type of work apart from military. They only want to be soldiers and have career in the army. That's why Serbia is very much a militaristic nation. They love nothing more than war.

The EU’s golden age of expansion is over, and Serbia, one of "at least 10 countries keen to join," won't be able to do that before 2027.
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At the same time, there are at least 10 EU members keen to leave. There is a good chance the EU won't even exist in 10 years time.

"Michael Thomas: In 2015 Romania's GDP per capita was $21,000 and Serbia's was $13,000. Even Bulgaria was at $17,000. "
(ned taylor, 16 December 2016 18:29)

Bulgaria was actually at $19,000, closer to Romania rather than halfway between Romania and Serbia. Unfortunately Serbia still hasn't recovered to the levels it had before the Yugoslav Wars.

"EU negotiations, then Serbia will become an unemployed wasteland"
"Russia and China ...will bring untold opportunities for Serbs who are creative and who want to work
(Michael Thomas, 16 December 2016 09:53)

What a load of crap. How come the "untold opportunities" are only available via Russia and China but not the EU or any other country?

The medicines come from Slovenia and are all expired, clothes from Turkey and China, but we can't sell our conjac Skenderbeu in Slovenia or Turkey. Now for some products the solution has been to produce them in Albania and have the Bulgarians certificate that they have been produced in Bulgaria but Russians discovered this and we can't do that anymore. We want to join EU because of the grants and money they give during the integration process but we forget that most part of that money goes in salaries for their staff here. Also we are already flooded with the multinationals products and it will only get worse and our poor economies will die if they can't even have access to our market let alone the European one. We don't have economists, we have idiots who write essays of love to Europe!

"Russia and China ...will bring untold opportunities for Serbs who are creative and who want to work
(Michael Thomas, 16 December 2016 09:53)

What a load of crap. How come the "untold opportunities" are only available via Russia and China but not the EU or any other country?
(Dwight, 16 December 2016 13:23)

That is because in the economic analysis of Michael Thomas there is only one driver for the prosperity of a country: namely Kosovo's recognition.

If a country recognizes Kosovo, that country becomes the hell on Earth. If a country does not recognize Kosovo, that country becomes the paradise on Earth!

GDP is a statistic used to estimate the wealth of nations. It means "Gross Demestic Product" and is supposed to capture the value of everything produced in a country. Countries that produce lots of things have higher GDPs than those that produce little. Problem is that GDP doesn't capture the so called Black Economy, which operates outside the government tax and regulatory system. It also doesn't include things we produce and do for our family and friends. Many Serbs grow there own food (or at least some of there own food) but that is not captured in GDP figures. I have been to all the former Yugoslav Republics and to Hungary and Romania (I have not yet been to Bulgaria but look forward to seeing it one day) and I can say there is not much difference between them. I know this is only my opinion and a government statistic, but I ask those of you who have also travelled in the region to give your impression of each country. But it is not just my opinion, look at the numbers of young EU citizens leaving East European member states to come to the west. The UK is over flowing with Poles, who are now being joined buy Bulgarians, the Balts and others from the new EU. Why are they fleeing their homelands? They are fleeing because the EU has not brought the wealth it promised. All this talk about GDP is just a smoke screen to hide the failure of the EU.

By 2027 the EU will not exist. I hope the Serbs don't join and get into that corrupt sinking ship. Croatia is doing Serbia a favour by blocking them. it's a blessing in disguise. The EU is rotten to the core which is very suitable for the Croats and they deserve all the crap coming to them via the EU.

Dwight disappeared from the conversation and he missed the opportunity to tell us what are the untold opportunities of the West. I'm curious to know what these opportunities are for our farmers and small producers as we don't produce IT technologies like Japan but we produce grain, milk, potatoes and cucumbers! We joined the sanctions regime against Russia and we are reliable allies of Nato and Eu. Nevertheless Russia allows us to sell our grain there even though they are the greatest producers of grain in the world and this makes you understand where really are the untold opportunities!

The EU never promised to bring wealth. Only parasites that want to live on money from the government would expect that. EU membership creates better conditions for people to create wealth. But if you don't work and are a parasite, membership in the EU or any other organisation is irrelevant. You are never going to get wealthy.
(icj1, 18 December 2016 01:37)

Well this will come as a surprise to Serbs. What is the point of this so-called economic union if not to improve the economies of its member states and by that improve the wellbeing of ordinary people. Of course I don't believe EU lies, but that is what they have been telling 500 millions EU citizens since the 1950s.

So the EU is not about economic prosperity. What then is its purpose?

The EU never promised to bring wealth. Only parasites that want to live on money from the government would expect that. EU membership creates better conditions for people to create wealth. But if you don't work and are a parasite, membership in the EU or any other organisation is irrelevant. You are never going to get wealthy.
(icj1, 18 December 2016 01:37)

This is why you always avoid making real comment because it shows how little you know and can be picked clean. Yes, all the EU propaganda does promise great wealth. Join the EU, money is available for your country to improve roads, agriculture and access to a larger market and have a higher living standard. Ask the Greeks, Spanish, Portuguese or Irish. That’s their selling point to the masses.

I think the real problem is that our politicians all expect that by joining the EU we will all have access to their market. This means that our tomatoes, oranges and mussels will be sold in Paris or Berlin but that is not going to happen. Our economies are already flooded with multinational products, Procter & Gamble, Elka, other western brands. What can our farmers do if nobody buys the milk they produce because Albanians if they have a little money they go to buy Italian milk and tuna fish at Conad supermarket? Where in the world can they sell their products if they in Europe request certificates of quality and other thousand stupid things that our farmers can't have? So this European integration means the death for our poor farmers and the only food that is really worth growing for their own here is the kanabis sativa!

Skenderbeu 1444

I like the way some of the Shqiptars begin to think now. Hope the newly obtained realism will sooner or later lead you to peace and prosperity. From the very begining EU-NATO and all other international organizations were new colonialism tools. They a poisoned hatred union that despises everything and everybody east of Vienna. And the sooner people understand it the better.

They cannot send their troops to every point so they create conflicts and "help" you to solve them for decades. As a result German economy replaces the closed factories in the Ukraine, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania ect. It's so evident!

History is one of their tools so when you add 1444 to your nick name be sure that you are not misguided. There were several great battles that year and the Albanians were a side in each of them. They have won all of the battles and behaved very strange if you rely on the current version of the tale.

Once I told you that the Albanians could be only of the Ruricovici Dynastry with it multiple branches. Rus civilization was formed between the two great rivers Volga (Balga=Belga) and Oka (Aka) and both of them mean "White" - one in Rus(sian) and one in Turkic ...

On the other side there must be a reason why the Shqiptars still call themselves Albanians aka Whites. Radical changes happened on Balkans in 1380-1453 and the version we have does not match the facts that we also have. Meanwhile it could be a kew to the problems we face today ...

Michael Thomas: In 2015 Romania's GDP per capita was $21,000 and Serbia's was $13,000. Even Bulgaria was at $17,000. There is a price to pay for joining the EU and I have long stated that Serbia needs to think long and hard about it, but there is solid evidence that people are financially better off as EU citizens. Whether Serbia is prepared to make the sacrifices required is their own business and I wouldn't blame them for not doing so. In fact I would admire that they are prepared to give up financial advantage for their principles.

When my Albania gets ready to join EU probably there wont be any EU anymore!

How fitting. There's an 80% of the EU not existing by 2027.

It doesn't matter when Serbia joins but rather when Serbia becomes a developed country. Soon we will see the Balkan tiger rise again, the potential is there... Serbia will be the Balkan Estonia. Let's abandon the pessimism and cynicism.

Serbia has NO TO JOIN EU as accoding to the Word of GOD.

Arn.Sweden.

I've read your toponyms here Rote and you have a strong point there. I'm not a historian either and I don't know much about middle ages history. Every country needs some myths and no matter if they are real that is the basis we all build our national feelings so Skenderbeu is our national hero. I can't say if my children will learn a new version of history because I'm afraid they will be obliged to immigrate. What I think is that Brezhnjev and Hrushov destroyed your country's economy, Russia lost its primacy in innovation, new technologies, production, everything and now it will take some time to catch up with the Chinese and I think sanctions will help you. I wish the west could put some sanctions on us so we could finally focus on how to improve our economy instead of dreaming nonsense.

Oh, Ok. I wasn't aware that the CE of B92 forums sj had ordered the EU to start promising great wealth. That is great news! When will the EU start carrying out such a marvelous command by the CE of B92 forums sj?

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 19 December 2016 15:41)

Oh dumb dumb you still cant carry on a proper debate so back to the feotal position rocking backwards and forwards while repeating CE....eh LOL.

That's why you just end up splitting hairs and making idiotic statements LOL. Its called a lack of knowledge so what you lack in that department you make stupid statements and think your smart, but I have news for you; your not.

@ Dwight I can explain you what untold opportunities can offer the EU as Rama just got a fist on his face from Merkel. They don't even open the negotiations with Albania and this article from Politico is the most stupid article I have ever read! What are we supposed to do if EU doesn't want us to join? Why should we always beg them to let us in if they dont want us? Corruption corruption is only thing they know to say. Rama warned EU in a program and he is ready to meet with Putin. Maybe Europe understands this better than you do!

Serbia accuses Croatia of blocking progress to EU membership
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38301558

Problem is that GDP doesn't capture the so called Black Economy, which operates outside the government tax and regulatory system. It also doesn't include things we produce and do for our family and friends. Many Serbs grow there own food (or at least some of there own food) but that is not captured in GDP figures.
(Michael Thomas, 17 December 2016 11:17)

Yeah, I guess that only happens in Serbia and it is unheard off in other countries lol
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The UK is over flowing with Poles, who are now being joined buy Bulgarians, the Balts and others from the new EU. Why are they fleeing their homelands?
(Michael Thomas, 17 December 2016 11:17)

Because the GDP per capita in the UK is higher than the GDP per capita in those countries. And they don't go to Serbia, because the GDP per capita in Serbia is lower than in Poland, Bulgaria and the Baltic countries.
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They are fleeing because the EU has not brought the wealth it promised.
(Michael Thomas, 17 December 2016 11:17)

The EU never promised to bring wealth. Only parasites that want to live on money from the government would expect that. EU membership creates better conditions for people to create wealth. But if you don't work and are a parasite, membership in the EU or any other organisation is irrelevant. You are never going to get wealthy.

Rote one of the big problems that we face today is that when French and Greek farmers block the highways to protest against the kuotas that Europe imposes on them, that is a news European media and as usual our stupid incompetent medias never give. You read this idiot below ijc1 or 2 or whatever his mom made out of him and you will see what damage propaganda can do. These people are unable to enter in a small supermarket and read the brands, these people never wonder why our local farmers can't sell their milk and their cheese in the fancy supermarkets where only western brands can be sold. These people are so stupid that they are ready to buy expensive Heineken and Corona with lemon but not our good and cheap Birra Korca. And if you write to me like that Rote, that is Russian propaganda and I am a victim of Russian propaganda and your theories on the Rurkovici dynasty are an aggression to my country my friend! I don't know if I have to laugh or cry!!

Skenderbeu : your theories on the Rurkovici dynasty are an aggression to my country my friend! I don't know if I have to laugh or cry!!

Enough is that you think with your own head. I went through it by myself when my previous dogmas were ruined by Anatoly Fomenko. I am not a historian but I had studied history in high school. Yet it had never gave me a full picture of the events. Those were episodes poorly connected with one another. What I offer is a joint attempt to reveal the truth.

Say Skenderbeu could not be a Shqiptar for many reasons and I am open to try to persuade you. But he definitely was an Albanian - a man of the White Horde. Look at his parent or children they all had Slavic or Christian names. Also try to imagine someone who could oppose Mehmet II Fatih = The Conqueror with his miserable 300 buffalo soldiers !

I collect words that prove the theory of the New Chronology of Fomenko and I've found too many evidence that the Albanians controlled the whole world that no one can ignore it. Shqiptars are a too small people to control all the continents where I've found 203 mentioning of the Whites. If you say so I can start to publish the toponymals here.

It's not an agression anyway because sooner or later your children or grand children will be studying it in the school. They tried to declare Fomenko an insane but an insane cannot head Maths Dept. of Moscow University for 25 years. He cannot edit 45 books for 43 years now or shoot dozens of films ect.

Yes, all the EU propaganda does promise great wealth.
(sj, 19 December 2016 12:56)

Oh, Ok. I wasn't aware that the CE of B92 forums sj had ordered the EU to start promising great wealth. That is great news! When will the EU start carrying out such a marvelous command by the CE of B92 forums sj?

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Skenderbeu : I've read your toponyms here Rote

It was few months ago but today the geography is much wider like Australia, Oceania and both Americas to say nothing of Africa that was basic colony of our Mamelukes and after 1517 went to the Ottomans who were one of the survived parts of the empire in late. Initially the only word that I was searching for was WHITE= BELI=BALI=ALBA=ELBA. But then I added also Tatar (Turkic) word AK and Arab word ABEL that both means the same. Simply because Arab and Turkic languages has appeared in Russia. Turkic was a street language that was easy to learn for the multiple ethnic groups and all Rus peoples spoke it here and in the colonies. Arab language like Persian and Latin were artificial languages of the Horde for special tasks. Arab was used as criptography code for the hordes to communicate abroad but then it was also used for science and since 17 century also for Islam as religion of the Atamans aka Osmans aka Simeons. Persian became language of literature. Latin was written by Stephan Permski (Austria) in 15 century for Christian texts. Later it was also used for medicine and advocatory so that specialists could communicate all over the world. Thus it was logical for me to use the mentioned languages. Unfortunately I could operate only some of the languages mentioned. Also I had to trace other words that must have followed the conquistadors. And I've found hundreds of KHANS, RUS and other toponymals where I had never expected.

White-beli-bali-elba-alba is very intriguing Rote, my muslim wife's family carries one of these words as their last name and they are all so white, blond and blue eyes that nobody could have ever guessed that are from a mediterranean country like Albania and I've always been wondering how that could be possible. Very intriguing indeed and this Fomenko should discuss his theories with his colleagues in both the east and west. Too bad that for political reasons researchers and profesors can't freely discuss and compare their achievements. I'm also sad about your Ambasador's murder in Ankara. You're paying a price of blood in this struggle against these coward terrorists. They shoot from behind and I hope Russia gives them a good lesson in the Middle East.

Skenderbeu: I'm also sad about your Ambasador's murder

Everything we hear is that we are desperately bad. But I believe that year of 2016 will go to the history as the end of the mono polar world when many peoples felt relief.


Skenderbeu: White-beli-bali-elba-alba is very intriguing

Keep in mind also Ak (Turkic) and Abel (Arabian) too because in my list they are found worlwide. Yet both words have Russian roots because Turkic was as Russian as old Rus language while in word A-BEL Slavic white is evident.

Most surprising is that you meet WHITE toponymals every day but you pay them no attention. Say residency of president of Kazakhstan is simply called AK ORDA i.e. WHITE HORDE. Same toponymals are widely spread in Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Central Africa and South America.

Lots of them are in Europe : Wales , Walles, Valencia, Valenberg, Wallrus, Wellington, Oakland ... Cyrillic "B" could be read both as "v" or "b" so you can read the words as Bales, Balles, Balencia, Balenberg ect.

Your wife's ancestors could quite be Rus Alans from Alanya or Caucasians from central Turkey like Tokat. It's easy to check through their male members. G2a happlogroup would mean Ossetian or Cherkess origin, R1b will likely be south Russian Alanian blood, R1a1 would be heart of the Whites Vladimir-Suzdal y-dna.

By the way Vladimir first appeared as a city and 200-300 years later as a first name of the Rurikovici. It was built and named as the capitol of the word - VLADI MIR.

I think the most important is who win the election and who lead the country

That gdp that people are talking here is purchashing power parity more important is the nominal one ,

We had here election and they make the budget using the other gdp

I think in a country who have a bareable gdp per capita , important is who lead the gouvern

I will explain let`s say Bulgaria and Romania are = important is who lead

For raise minimum salary and pensions and public sector is not about who grow up with more %%% the gdp but who is at power and give laws

Yes, all the EU propaganda does promise great wealth.
(sj, 19 December 2016 12:56)

Oh, Ok. I wasn't aware that the CE of B92 forums sj had ordered the EU to start promising great wealth. That is great news! When will the EU start carrying out such a marvelous command by the CE of B92 forums sj?
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 19 December 2016 15:41)

Its called a lack of knowledge
(sj, 19 December 2016 21:36)

Indeed, which is so great that we have the CE of B92 forums sj to tell us that he/she has ordered the EU to start promising great wealth!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

" Mostly free from the complications of the Jugoslav wars of the 1990's ?

Very nice, Albanian Islamic terrorist, Croatian Nazi Ustase, Bosnian Islamic terrorist all clean in the eyes of the USA, England, Germany and Nazi led Roman Catholic Empire! Srbija the most complicated one because we Serb's were tortured, raped, robbed, murdered and all earthly possessions stolen by the Islamic terrorist and Croatian Nazi Ustase " Freedom Fighters "! So every one here clean except Srbija, right? 2024 wow that is a long time from now and 80% chance, odds much against all Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity in the Balkans!!!

(Michael Thomas, 16 December 2016 09:53)

"bring untold opportunities for Serbs who are creative and who want to work."

But here is a problem. The Serbs never wanted to work or ask for any type of work apart from military. They only want to be soldiers and have career in the army. That's why Serbia is very much a militaristic nation. They love nothing more than war.

Serbia has NO TO JOIN EU as accoding to the Word of GOD.

Arn.Sweden.

Serbia has tied itself to the rotting corpse of the EU. If it wastes another 10 years on EU negotiations, then Serbia will become an unemployed wasteland.

There are alternatives to the EU. No one should kid themselves that working with Russia and China will bring untold riches, but it will bring untold opportunities for Serbs who are creative and who want to work. Serbia's position at the centre of Europe but not in the EU makes it an attractive location. Serbia should exploit every opportunity it has and it should avoid Dead-End initiatives like joining the EU.

"EU negotiations, then Serbia will become an unemployed wasteland"
"Russia and China ...will bring untold opportunities for Serbs who are creative and who want to work
(Michael Thomas, 16 December 2016 09:53)

What a load of crap. How come the "untold opportunities" are only available via Russia and China but not the EU or any other country?

they really shouldn't waste their breath on these negotiations. EU will completely disintegrate by 10 years. Serbia should just stop this RIGHT NOW. say NO.

Dwight

Serbia is not a member of the EU, and even if becomes a member in 2027 or whenever, why would anyone expect it to prosper any more than Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria or Greece. What has the EU done for these member states? If Serbia dropped its EU bid and stopped its romance with the barbaric NATO Pact, then an invitation to the join the Eurasian Union would soon arrive. A third of the world's population live in the countries of the Eurasian Union and they need many of the things Serbia produces. One-tenth of the world's population live in the western EU, and they have more than enough to buy and show little interest in Serbian produce. Serbian has little to gain from the western EU (which is closed to it anyhow), but has a massive and friendly market waiting for it in the eastern EU.

"Russia and China ...will bring untold opportunities for Serbs who are creative and who want to work
(Michael Thomas, 16 December 2016 09:53)

What a load of crap. How come the "untold opportunities" are only available via Russia and China but not the EU or any other country?
(Dwight, 16 December 2016 13:23)

That is because in the economic analysis of Michael Thomas there is only one driver for the prosperity of a country: namely Kosovo's recognition.

If a country recognizes Kosovo, that country becomes the hell on Earth. If a country does not recognize Kosovo, that country becomes the paradise on Earth!

I think the most important is who win the election and who lead the country

That gdp that people are talking here is purchashing power parity more important is the nominal one ,

We had here election and they make the budget using the other gdp

I think in a country who have a bareable gdp per capita , important is who lead the gouvern

I will explain let`s say Bulgaria and Romania are = important is who lead

For raise minimum salary and pensions and public sector is not about who grow up with more %%% the gdp but who is at power and give laws

@ Dwight I can explain you what untold opportunities can offer the EU as Rama just got a fist on his face from Merkel. They don't even open the negotiations with Albania and this article from Politico is the most stupid article I have ever read! What are we supposed to do if EU doesn't want us to join? Why should we always beg them to let us in if they dont want us? Corruption corruption is only thing they know to say. Rama warned EU in a program and he is ready to meet with Putin. Maybe Europe understands this better than you do!

Michael Thomas: In 2015 Romania's GDP per capita was $21,000 and Serbia's was $13,000. Even Bulgaria was at $17,000. There is a price to pay for joining the EU and I have long stated that Serbia needs to think long and hard about it, but there is solid evidence that people are financially better off as EU citizens. Whether Serbia is prepared to make the sacrifices required is their own business and I wouldn't blame them for not doing so. In fact I would admire that they are prepared to give up financial advantage for their principles.

The EU’s golden age of expansion is over, and Serbia, one of "at least 10 countries keen to join," won't be able to do that before 2027.
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At the same time, there are at least 10 EU members keen to leave. There is a good chance the EU won't even exist in 10 years time.

By 2027 the EU will not exist. I hope the Serbs don't join and get into that corrupt sinking ship. Croatia is doing Serbia a favour by blocking them. it's a blessing in disguise. The EU is rotten to the core which is very suitable for the Croats and they deserve all the crap coming to them via the EU.

Skenderbeu 1444

I like the way some of the Shqiptars begin to think now. Hope the newly obtained realism will sooner or later lead you to peace and prosperity. From the very begining EU-NATO and all other international organizations were new colonialism tools. They a poisoned hatred union that despises everything and everybody east of Vienna. And the sooner people understand it the better.

They cannot send their troops to every point so they create conflicts and "help" you to solve them for decades. As a result German economy replaces the closed factories in the Ukraine, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania ect. It's so evident!

History is one of their tools so when you add 1444 to your nick name be sure that you are not misguided. There were several great battles that year and the Albanians were a side in each of them. They have won all of the battles and behaved very strange if you rely on the current version of the tale.

Once I told you that the Albanians could be only of the Ruricovici Dynastry with it multiple branches. Rus civilization was formed between the two great rivers Volga (Balga=Belga) and Oka (Aka) and both of them mean "White" - one in Rus(sian) and one in Turkic ...

On the other side there must be a reason why the Shqiptars still call themselves Albanians aka Whites. Radical changes happened on Balkans in 1380-1453 and the version we have does not match the facts that we also have. Meanwhile it could be a kew to the problems we face today ...

GDP is a statistic used to estimate the wealth of nations. It means "Gross Demestic Product" and is supposed to capture the value of everything produced in a country. Countries that produce lots of things have higher GDPs than those that produce little. Problem is that GDP doesn't capture the so called Black Economy, which operates outside the government tax and regulatory system. It also doesn't include things we produce and do for our family and friends. Many Serbs grow there own food (or at least some of there own food) but that is not captured in GDP figures. I have been to all the former Yugoslav Republics and to Hungary and Romania (I have not yet been to Bulgaria but look forward to seeing it one day) and I can say there is not much difference between them. I know this is only my opinion and a government statistic, but I ask those of you who have also travelled in the region to give your impression of each country. But it is not just my opinion, look at the numbers of young EU citizens leaving East European member states to come to the west. The UK is over flowing with Poles, who are now being joined buy Bulgarians, the Balts and others from the new EU. Why are they fleeing their homelands? They are fleeing because the EU has not brought the wealth it promised. All this talk about GDP is just a smoke screen to hide the failure of the EU.

When my Albania gets ready to join EU probably there wont be any EU anymore!

Serbia accuses Croatia of blocking progress to EU membership
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38301558

The medicines come from Slovenia and are all expired, clothes from Turkey and China, but we can't sell our conjac Skenderbeu in Slovenia or Turkey. Now for some products the solution has been to produce them in Albania and have the Bulgarians certificate that they have been produced in Bulgaria but Russians discovered this and we can't do that anymore. We want to join EU because of the grants and money they give during the integration process but we forget that most part of that money goes in salaries for their staff here. Also we are already flooded with the multinationals products and it will only get worse and our poor economies will die if they can't even have access to our market let alone the European one. We don't have economists, we have idiots who write essays of love to Europe!

How fitting. There's an 80% of the EU not existing by 2027.

The EU never promised to bring wealth. Only parasites that want to live on money from the government would expect that. EU membership creates better conditions for people to create wealth. But if you don't work and are a parasite, membership in the EU or any other organisation is irrelevant. You are never going to get wealthy.
(icj1, 18 December 2016 01:37)

Well this will come as a surprise to Serbs. What is the point of this so-called economic union if not to improve the economies of its member states and by that improve the wellbeing of ordinary people. Of course I don't believe EU lies, but that is what they have been telling 500 millions EU citizens since the 1950s.

So the EU is not about economic prosperity. What then is its purpose?

It doesn't matter when Serbia joins but rather when Serbia becomes a developed country. Soon we will see the Balkan tiger rise again, the potential is there... Serbia will be the Balkan Estonia. Let's abandon the pessimism and cynicism.

Skenderbeu : your theories on the Rurkovici dynasty are an aggression to my country my friend! I don't know if I have to laugh or cry!!

Enough is that you think with your own head. I went through it by myself when my previous dogmas were ruined by Anatoly Fomenko. I am not a historian but I had studied history in high school. Yet it had never gave me a full picture of the events. Those were episodes poorly connected with one another. What I offer is a joint attempt to reveal the truth.

Say Skenderbeu could not be a Shqiptar for many reasons and I am open to try to persuade you. But he definitely was an Albanian - a man of the White Horde. Look at his parent or children they all had Slavic or Christian names. Also try to imagine someone who could oppose Mehmet II Fatih = The Conqueror with his miserable 300 buffalo soldiers !

I collect words that prove the theory of the New Chronology of Fomenko and I've found too many evidence that the Albanians controlled the whole world that no one can ignore it. Shqiptars are a too small people to control all the continents where I've found 203 mentioning of the Whites. If you say so I can start to publish the toponymals here.

It's not an agression anyway because sooner or later your children or grand children will be studying it in the school. They tried to declare Fomenko an insane but an insane cannot head Maths Dept. of Moscow University for 25 years. He cannot edit 45 books for 43 years now or shoot dozens of films ect.

Yes, all the EU propaganda does promise great wealth.
(sj, 19 December 2016 12:56)

Oh, Ok. I wasn't aware that the CE of B92 forums sj had ordered the EU to start promising great wealth. That is great news! When will the EU start carrying out such a marvelous command by the CE of B92 forums sj?

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

"Michael Thomas: In 2015 Romania's GDP per capita was $21,000 and Serbia's was $13,000. Even Bulgaria was at $17,000. "
(ned taylor, 16 December 2016 18:29)

Bulgaria was actually at $19,000, closer to Romania rather than halfway between Romania and Serbia. Unfortunately Serbia still hasn't recovered to the levels it had before the Yugoslav Wars.

Problem is that GDP doesn't capture the so called Black Economy, which operates outside the government tax and regulatory system. It also doesn't include things we produce and do for our family and friends. Many Serbs grow there own food (or at least some of there own food) but that is not captured in GDP figures.
(Michael Thomas, 17 December 2016 11:17)

Yeah, I guess that only happens in Serbia and it is unheard off in other countries lol
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The UK is over flowing with Poles, who are now being joined buy Bulgarians, the Balts and others from the new EU. Why are they fleeing their homelands?
(Michael Thomas, 17 December 2016 11:17)

Because the GDP per capita in the UK is higher than the GDP per capita in those countries. And they don't go to Serbia, because the GDP per capita in Serbia is lower than in Poland, Bulgaria and the Baltic countries.
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They are fleeing because the EU has not brought the wealth it promised.
(Michael Thomas, 17 December 2016 11:17)

The EU never promised to bring wealth. Only parasites that want to live on money from the government would expect that. EU membership creates better conditions for people to create wealth. But if you don't work and are a parasite, membership in the EU or any other organisation is irrelevant. You are never going to get wealthy.

I think the real problem is that our politicians all expect that by joining the EU we will all have access to their market. This means that our tomatoes, oranges and mussels will be sold in Paris or Berlin but that is not going to happen. Our economies are already flooded with multinational products, Procter & Gamble, Elka, other western brands. What can our farmers do if nobody buys the milk they produce because Albanians if they have a little money they go to buy Italian milk and tuna fish at Conad supermarket? Where in the world can they sell their products if they in Europe request certificates of quality and other thousand stupid things that our farmers can't have? So this European integration means the death for our poor farmers and the only food that is really worth growing for their own here is the kanabis sativa!

Dwight disappeared from the conversation and he missed the opportunity to tell us what are the untold opportunities of the West. I'm curious to know what these opportunities are for our farmers and small producers as we don't produce IT technologies like Japan but we produce grain, milk, potatoes and cucumbers! We joined the sanctions regime against Russia and we are reliable allies of Nato and Eu. Nevertheless Russia allows us to sell our grain there even though they are the greatest producers of grain in the world and this makes you understand where really are the untold opportunities!

Skenderbeu : I've read your toponyms here Rote

It was few months ago but today the geography is much wider like Australia, Oceania and both Americas to say nothing of Africa that was basic colony of our Mamelukes and after 1517 went to the Ottomans who were one of the survived parts of the empire in late. Initially the only word that I was searching for was WHITE= BELI=BALI=ALBA=ELBA. But then I added also Tatar (Turkic) word AK and Arab word ABEL that both means the same. Simply because Arab and Turkic languages has appeared in Russia. Turkic was a street language that was easy to learn for the multiple ethnic groups and all Rus peoples spoke it here and in the colonies. Arab language like Persian and Latin were artificial languages of the Horde for special tasks. Arab was used as criptography code for the hordes to communicate abroad but then it was also used for science and since 17 century also for Islam as religion of the Atamans aka Osmans aka Simeons. Persian became language of literature. Latin was written by Stephan Permski (Austria) in 15 century for Christian texts. Later it was also used for medicine and advocatory so that specialists could communicate all over the world. Thus it was logical for me to use the mentioned languages. Unfortunately I could operate only some of the languages mentioned. Also I had to trace other words that must have followed the conquistadors. And I've found hundreds of KHANS, RUS and other toponymals where I had never expected.

Oh, Ok. I wasn't aware that the CE of B92 forums sj had ordered the EU to start promising great wealth. That is great news! When will the EU start carrying out such a marvelous command by the CE of B92 forums sj?

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 19 December 2016 15:41)

Oh dumb dumb you still cant carry on a proper debate so back to the feotal position rocking backwards and forwards while repeating CE....eh LOL.

That's why you just end up splitting hairs and making idiotic statements LOL. Its called a lack of knowledge so what you lack in that department you make stupid statements and think your smart, but I have news for you; your not.

White-beli-bali-elba-alba is very intriguing Rote, my muslim wife's family carries one of these words as their last name and they are all so white, blond and blue eyes that nobody could have ever guessed that are from a mediterranean country like Albania and I've always been wondering how that could be possible. Very intriguing indeed and this Fomenko should discuss his theories with his colleagues in both the east and west. Too bad that for political reasons researchers and profesors can't freely discuss and compare their achievements. I'm also sad about your Ambasador's murder in Ankara. You're paying a price of blood in this struggle against these coward terrorists. They shoot from behind and I hope Russia gives them a good lesson in the Middle East.

Yes, all the EU propaganda does promise great wealth.
(sj, 19 December 2016 12:56)

Oh, Ok. I wasn't aware that the CE of B92 forums sj had ordered the EU to start promising great wealth. That is great news! When will the EU start carrying out such a marvelous command by the CE of B92 forums sj?
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 19 December 2016 15:41)

Its called a lack of knowledge
(sj, 19 December 2016 21:36)

Indeed, which is so great that we have the CE of B92 forums sj to tell us that he/she has ordered the EU to start promising great wealth!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Rote one of the big problems that we face today is that when French and Greek farmers block the highways to protest against the kuotas that Europe imposes on them, that is a news European media and as usual our stupid incompetent medias never give. You read this idiot below ijc1 or 2 or whatever his mom made out of him and you will see what damage propaganda can do. These people are unable to enter in a small supermarket and read the brands, these people never wonder why our local farmers can't sell their milk and their cheese in the fancy supermarkets where only western brands can be sold. These people are so stupid that they are ready to buy expensive Heineken and Corona with lemon but not our good and cheap Birra Korca. And if you write to me like that Rote, that is Russian propaganda and I am a victim of Russian propaganda and your theories on the Rurkovici dynasty are an aggression to my country my friend! I don't know if I have to laugh or cry!!

The EU never promised to bring wealth. Only parasites that want to live on money from the government would expect that. EU membership creates better conditions for people to create wealth. But if you don't work and are a parasite, membership in the EU or any other organisation is irrelevant. You are never going to get wealthy.
(icj1, 18 December 2016 01:37)

This is why you always avoid making real comment because it shows how little you know and can be picked clean. Yes, all the EU propaganda does promise great wealth. Join the EU, money is available for your country to improve roads, agriculture and access to a larger market and have a higher living standard. Ask the Greeks, Spanish, Portuguese or Irish. That’s their selling point to the masses.

I've read your toponyms here Rote and you have a strong point there. I'm not a historian either and I don't know much about middle ages history. Every country needs some myths and no matter if they are real that is the basis we all build our national feelings so Skenderbeu is our national hero. I can't say if my children will learn a new version of history because I'm afraid they will be obliged to immigrate. What I think is that Brezhnjev and Hrushov destroyed your country's economy, Russia lost its primacy in innovation, new technologies, production, everything and now it will take some time to catch up with the Chinese and I think sanctions will help you. I wish the west could put some sanctions on us so we could finally focus on how to improve our economy instead of dreaming nonsense.

Skenderbeu: I'm also sad about your Ambasador's murder

Everything we hear is that we are desperately bad. But I believe that year of 2016 will go to the history as the end of the mono polar world when many peoples felt relief.


Skenderbeu: White-beli-bali-elba-alba is very intriguing

Keep in mind also Ak (Turkic) and Abel (Arabian) too because in my list they are found worlwide. Yet both words have Russian roots because Turkic was as Russian as old Rus language while in word A-BEL Slavic white is evident.

Most surprising is that you meet WHITE toponymals every day but you pay them no attention. Say residency of president of Kazakhstan is simply called AK ORDA i.e. WHITE HORDE. Same toponymals are widely spread in Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Central Africa and South America.

Lots of them are in Europe : Wales , Walles, Valencia, Valenberg, Wallrus, Wellington, Oakland ... Cyrillic "B" could be read both as "v" or "b" so you can read the words as Bales, Balles, Balencia, Balenberg ect.

Your wife's ancestors could quite be Rus Alans from Alanya or Caucasians from central Turkey like Tokat. It's easy to check through their male members. G2a happlogroup would mean Ossetian or Cherkess origin, R1b will likely be south Russian Alanian blood, R1a1 would be heart of the Whites Vladimir-Suzdal y-dna.

By the way Vladimir first appeared as a city and 200-300 years later as a first name of the Rurikovici. It was built and named as the capitol of the word - VLADI MIR.