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Thursday, 17.11.2016.

09:50

FM reacts to claim of Belgrade's "colonial tendencies"

Foreign Minister Ivica Dacic has rejected claims of the Kosovo Ambassador to the U.S. Vlora Citaku about Belgrade's "colonial tendencies toward Pristina."

Izvor: Tanjug

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resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 7 godina

@observer:

After reading your comments and I feel that it does have some relevance and that is because Kosovo has declared independence from Serbia and because there is said to be occasional or rampant tension between Albanians & Serbs my question is since Kosovo declared sovereignty 8 years ago have many ethnic Albanian students as a result became bullies towards Serb and/or other non-Albanian students? If so are the bullies favourite "choice" statements are "Kosovo is free of Serb rule.Albanians now rule this country.We Albanians are your masters and you Serbs are now our slaves." Also do Albanian bullies have a tendency to label their smaller and weaker victims as "m*ti vogels"(little sh*ts) and or as "q*fsha vogels"(little f*cks)? I'm not trying to be funny I'm just being inquisitive.

rote

pre 7 godina

Hatred and envy stops you from accepting the truth :

1/ 5-7 years ago Russian women delivered 1 200 000 babies annually. Today they deliver 2 000 000 that is 65% more. For every child they receive 450 000 rubles + monthly salary called here DEKRETNIE + they give free of charge child’s food for every new born.

2/ The increase was reached by the Central Russian regions mostly while in the Muslim inhabited regions the birth rate fell down. In Chechia for 20% in Ingushetia for 14% ect.

3/ Russian Muslims are good Russians they has always fought side by side with us. In Brest Zitadel that fought for 29 days when the front went east there were 3 battalions – an Armenian, a Russian and a Chechen-Ingush.

4/ Serbs are half defeated but still they are the white crows of the peninsula as everybody else is sucking there. That’s why you all panic now that the times are changing in our favor. Last night one nigger said that Russia is a military superpower while last year he said that Russia was a regional state with an economy torn into pieces.

5/ Don’t worry about the Serbian birth rates. I believe that they will follow us to have Nr.1 birth rate in Europe as soon as they feel that they have survived through the 2 decades of demonization and terrorizing.

PS The nickname you use and word AMERICA have the same basis : AMER-I CAN = EMIR OF THE KHAN. Guess who was the Khan? To help you same was CANADA = CAN ARDA = HORDE OF THE KHAN.

icj1

pre 7 godina

Belgrade has been moving forward,with foreign investment
(sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia, 18 November 2016 16:32)

Sure, feel free to sort it out with factman lol

rote

pre 7 godina

AMER : the population has been declining since the mid-1950s ...

Serbs have problems with the birth rate because of several reasons that are common for all Europeans. Specific Serbian problem is that they've lost 3 wars launched against them by the USA. It always happens to the nations that loose wars - see the rates in the Axis states. So was in Russia during Yeltsin but now our birth rates are the highest in Europe. In the last 5 years they've increased for 65% from 1,2 to 2 million annually. No doubt as soon as Serbs see prospects in their homeland they will compensate the losses fast enough. Of course it won't shut you up and your training centers will deliver you other reasons why Serbs are as bad as the Russians. But it will only aggravate the situation for the Whites that temporarily occupy our lands in KIM. I always say OUR LANDS because in the times all those churches and monasteries were built Russians and Serbs were one people.

Amer

pre 7 godina

rote -

The Russians' problem is that there aren't enough young women to rapidly boost the number of babies born, even if the number of children they're willing to have is up some. Putin's stabilized the size of the population by reducing the death rate among late-middle-aged men (suicide, alcoholism, accidents), but this leaves him with more pensioners to be supported by an ever-smaller number of workers. (And what proportion of the new births are to Muslims? at one point this was a concern, as I remember).

The decline in the Serbian population from its high point in the mid-1950s was due at first to the move from the village to the city, as is normal. Lately the depression stemming from a bad economy (seen also, if to a lesser degree, in the U.S.) has only worsened prospects for recovery to a point where the small cohort of young women you are counting on for a rebound may simply not suffice over the foreseeable future. Look at the population pyramid.

Btw - training centers?

sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia

pre 7 godina

Let them talk. It doesn't change anything. Frozen conflict.
(factman, 18 November 2016 01:46)

Exactly... Serbia loves to be frozen lol
(icj1, 18 November 2016 15:45) # Com

Sorry icj1 , Pristina is the one frozen and a fenced in Ghetto,not moving forward.)))
Belgrade has been moving forward,with foreign investment)))

icj1

pre 7 godina

Let them talk. It doesn't change anything. Frozen conflict.
(factman, 18 November 2016 01:46)

Exactly... Serbia loves to be frozen lol

Amer

pre 7 godina

All this about Serbia "colonizing" anywhere just a day or so after another article in B92 about its shrinking population? This is hardly news - the population has been declining since the mid-1950s, and with its most populous age group being in its mid-60's, the rate of decline is only going to accelerate - unless the small number of potential new mothers starts to have 3+ children over the coming decades. If you still feel a crying need to have all Serbs within the same borders, there is plenty of room to bring every Serb in the Balkans back home to the current Serbia. Just think how much more pleasant life would be without having to worry about foreign relations, except for setting up tennis matches and basketball games.

Dwight

pre 7 godina

(the truth, 18 November 2016 08:38)
If Kosovo decided tomorrow to re-join with Serbia there would be 1.8 million new citizens, most of whom are Muslim.
Over half of these would have a right to vote. If they voted on ethnic lines for one party, it would be the second biggest party in Serbia with a huge say in Serbian state, bigger than Dacics' party
Many would move to Belgrade i Novi Sad for work, which would eventually lead to the building of large mosques.

However, what you do not realize is that most of those Serbs who want Kosovo to be part of Serbia also want to to expel or kill all non-Serbs, so the above items may not be an issue.
They don't talk about that too often.

the truth

pre 7 godina

Zamislimo jutro posle... Vratise nam Kosovo formalno i prakticno. Ima li neko ideju sta onda?
Komentar poslat iz B92 Android™ aplikacije (Android Robot by Google, CC BY 3.0) (Mek, 17. novembar 2016 10:24)

Bravo Mek. To je poenta. Uvek ovo pitanje postavljam ljudima koji tvrde da je Kosovo i dalje deo Srbije. Znaci sutra se probudimo i tih 2500000 ili koliko vec, to niko ne zna, Albanaca resi da ponovo zive u Srbiji. Ok, naucna fantastika, ali da vidimo. Dolaze izbori, Albanci uzimaju vecinu u Skupstini, imaju Premijera, Ministra policije, inostranih poslova, vojske, verovatno imaju i Predsednika i eto je cela Srbija postaje Albanska. A sto se Dacica tice...klasicno sakupljanje poena za unutrasnju upotrebu. Nista on bitno nije rekao. Sto pre se vecina ovde pomiri sa tim da je Kosovo nezavisno od Srbije bolje za sve nas.
(Che, 17. novembar 2016 14:12) # Link komentara

The above is one among many similar comments coming from ordinary Serbs on this site (Serbian language). I wonder what ari gold, dragoljub and many other wester key board warriors think???

icj1

pre 7 godina

Kosovo doesn't want to be an internationally recognized state with UN membership and no territorial disputes.
(Navi, 17 November 2016 18:50)

Yup, Kosovo has no desire to be like, say, Ukraine from 1945-1990 which was an internationally recognized state with UN membership and no territorial disputes, but controlled by the Soviet army and police.

What Kosovo cares about is that Kosovo is not under the control of Serbia's army and police. All those things you mentioned are secondary to that.

factman

pre 7 godina

I know a lot of people who talk sh*t
I ignore them and keep on trucking.

The FM should just ignore bullsh*t and concentrate on getting FDI and corporate re-locations.

Let them talk. It doesn't change anything. Frozen conflict.

Ambivalent American administration in coming soon.

An EU about to collapse.

Go grow your economy and stop responding.

Luke Buyenovich

pre 7 godina

Kosovo is not independent country just autonomous region of Serbia.Kosovo Albanians still practice terrorism,they have more than 1000 jihadist fighters in Middle East.Serbia should never consider giving the Kosovo full independence.

icj1

pre 7 godina

South Sudan declared independence 6 years after you with full recognition and a seat at the UN within a year.
(Ari Gold, 17 November 2016 13:34)

Oh dear, Kosovo has not any desire to be like South Sudan. If that's what Serbia wants to be similar to, by all means go ahead!
(icj1, 17 November 2016 14:19)

South Sudan is light years ahead of KLA occupied Kosovo-Metohija.
(Ari Gold, 17 November 2016 16:04)

You don't need to convince Kosovo about that; start with Serbia. I hope that you manage to convince Serbs that South Sudan is this wonderful country that Serbia should aspire to be similar too lol
----------

When ordinary Albanians realize that this project is an epic fail, they will willingly reintegrate into the reence. And there will the peace!
(Ari Gold, 17 November 2016 16:04)

Well, according to a certain Ari Gold, Kosovo's current status is already more than autonomy, less than independence so there is already peace. So, I'm not sure what's bothering you and why you can't find peace!

Navi

pre 7 godina

Oh dear, Kosovo has not any desire to be like South Sudan.
(icj1, 17 November 2016 14:19)

True. Kosovo doesn't want to be an internationally recognized state with UN membership and no territorial disputes.

the truth

pre 7 godina

@Ari gold or silver,
You obviously did not watch live the entire and/or not at all the UNSC session. I did and it was breathtaking, especially with Japanese Ambassador and the confrontation between him and Russian rep. Serb media , especially b92 always reported on this site the entire transcript of the session, yet this time I do not see it. It is a shame not to report thinks as they happened!?

ops, I forget something that Dacic said,as follows: The winery in Rahovec was owned by Car Dushan!!! He said this by pointing a finger at Japanese Ambassador. This was one hell of session. if I were Dacic , I will never appear in UNSC again.

the actual truth

pre 7 godina

Wen was Prizeren The capital of Serbia ?
(Tony Pocesta, 17 November 2016 17:47)

Right around the time Croatia became a vassal of Hungary. It's understandable you wouldn't know, as your ancestors were busy cleaning horse stables for their new overlords.

TX

pre 7 godina

"Dacic said that Serbia expects member states of the UN Security Council to use their authority to repeal the Law on Trepca adopted by the provisional institutions of self-government in Pristina."

Serbia is expecting way more than they should from other countries to do for her, which she isn't doing for herself. Fact of the matter is you have been negotiating deals in Brussels. You have wounded yourself, and your telling others to treat your wounds in a demanding manner. You really think other members care much about what your expectations?

Kosovo is a done deal, it has been a done deal the very hour NATO started bombing Serbia. NATO bombed Serbia to stop its oppression on Albanian civilians. You have created these problems, stop trying to hide them, they are quite obvious.

Amer

pre 7 godina

I turned in late and heard only the last part of the session, but this included Dadic's rant and Citaku's response. He was obviously speaking for the folks at home, using references few people outside the two countries would recognize, while Citaku (who speaks excellent English - let's face it, it helps) replied calmly and in an organized fashion directly to her audience in the hall and the world on the role of the UN in the region's recent history, when it tried in vain to halt Serbian abuse of its then ethnic Albanian citizens in Kosovo.

As for colonization, that had a lot to do with much of Kosovo's Serbian population even being there (http://pescanik.net/the-colonization-of-kosovo/, e.g.), and for the reduced number of ethnic Albanians between the two World Wars. Efforts to return Serbs who had been moved to the region (at different times, including those displaced from BiH) in order to dilute the Albanian population, something Dacic forgot to mention in referring to the history of Serbs in the area.

(American kids are taught in school about the shameful parts of their history - the treatment of the Indians and slavery, in particular. While children in other lands are obviously taught these same facts about America, I sometimes have to wonder how much they learn about their own country's past.)

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Oh dear, Kosovo has not any desire to be like South Sudan. If that's what Serbia wants to be similar to, by all means go ahead!
(icj1, 17 November 2016 14:19)

South Sudan is light years ahead of KLA occupied Kosovo-Metohija. When ordinary Albanians realize that this project is an epic fail, they will willingly reintegrate into the rest of Serbia and be happy with more than autonomy, less than independence. And there will the peace!

LOL

pre 7 godina

How can Serbia be displaying colonial tendencies when it is recognized as the legal owner of all the assets in Kosovo the Albanians want to steal? Also, why are Albanians agreeing, like they did with Telekom Srbija, to grant it legal license if they are then going to call it colonialism? Sorry Vlora, you've been sniffing the same glue as Edita Tahiri.

icj1

pre 7 godina

South Sudan declared independence 6 years after you with full recognition and a seat at the UN within a year.
(Ari Gold, 17 November 2016 13:34)

Oh dear, Kosovo has not any desire to be like South Sudan. If that's what Serbia wants to be similar to, by all means go ahead!

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Yes, "kosovo" is independent. That's why Serbia is applying for calling codes on its behalf, and the Pristina institutions can't move an inch on anything without negotiations with its country, Serbia. That's also why Pristina cannot sell off assets like Trepca and Gazivoda or receive a seat at the UN or even speak without invitation from Albania. Also why only half (overwhelming?!) countries recognize the pseudostate despite billions spent in lobbying with some of the strongest countries pressuring others for recognition! South Sudan declared independence 6 years after you with full recognition and a seat at the UN within a year. That's how countries are born.

Your stillborn operation is a failure and only proves that you very much depend on Belgrade. And your country has no problem talking to you because Serbia doesn't have a problem with Albanians as a nation, just wont allow you to become your own country.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 7 godina

Well said F.M. Dacic!

Your words most respected within the sane minds of humanity! Albanian Islamic terrorist occupy Kosovo only because the big gun USA protects Islamic terrorist! In reality Srbija's greatest enemy is the USA! Srbija must never look up to the USA, they have severely damaged our people and our nation!!!

observer

pre 7 godina

Flora Citaku at the UN yesterday:
" Let’s just do a quick reality check. First, this is 2016, not 1999. Second, Kosovo is no longer administered by the United Nations, as of 17 of February 2008. Kosovo is a free and independent state, recognized by the overwhelming majority of the free nations of the world. And these facts are irreversible. The clock of history cannot be turned back. But, yet, we come here, every three months, to hear from my colleagues from Serbia, about a parallel universe, in which Kosovo’s statehood is inexistent, in which, it was Kosovo Albanians that committed ethnic cleansing, in which the oppressor becomes the oppressed. In this parallel universe that Serbia portraits, Milosevic is the hero, and KLA that fought for freedom are the terrorists; Kosovo violated the international law, where Serbia fought to protected it...the truth is very clear, oppressed people stood up and fought for their freedom, and gained independence. "

Giovanni

pre 7 godina

Well that's kind of amusing,Vlora. Perhaps you might care to find a mirror and see what a true colonialist looks like. Or maybe the word parasite might be more fitting. Difficult to literally separate the two.Your in Serbia in case you'd forgotten. Ask Ban Ki Moon he knows.

observer

pre 7 godina

Flora Citaku at the UN yesterday:
" Let’s just do a quick reality check. First, this is 2016, not 1999. Second, Kosovo is no longer administered by the United Nations, as of 17 of February 2008. Kosovo is a free and independent state, recognized by the overwhelming majority of the free nations of the world. And these facts are irreversible. The clock of history cannot be turned back. But, yet, we come here, every three months, to hear from my colleagues from Serbia, about a parallel universe, in which Kosovo’s statehood is inexistent, in which, it was Kosovo Albanians that committed ethnic cleansing, in which the oppressor becomes the oppressed. In this parallel universe that Serbia portraits, Milosevic is the hero, and KLA that fought for freedom are the terrorists; Kosovo violated the international law, where Serbia fought to protected it...the truth is very clear, oppressed people stood up and fought for their freedom, and gained independence. "

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Yes, "kosovo" is independent. That's why Serbia is applying for calling codes on its behalf, and the Pristina institutions can't move an inch on anything without negotiations with its country, Serbia. That's also why Pristina cannot sell off assets like Trepca and Gazivoda or receive a seat at the UN or even speak without invitation from Albania. Also why only half (overwhelming?!) countries recognize the pseudostate despite billions spent in lobbying with some of the strongest countries pressuring others for recognition! South Sudan declared independence 6 years after you with full recognition and a seat at the UN within a year. That's how countries are born.

Your stillborn operation is a failure and only proves that you very much depend on Belgrade. And your country has no problem talking to you because Serbia doesn't have a problem with Albanians as a nation, just wont allow you to become your own country.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 7 godina

Well said F.M. Dacic!

Your words most respected within the sane minds of humanity! Albanian Islamic terrorist occupy Kosovo only because the big gun USA protects Islamic terrorist! In reality Srbija's greatest enemy is the USA! Srbija must never look up to the USA, they have severely damaged our people and our nation!!!

Giovanni

pre 7 godina

Well that's kind of amusing,Vlora. Perhaps you might care to find a mirror and see what a true colonialist looks like. Or maybe the word parasite might be more fitting. Difficult to literally separate the two.Your in Serbia in case you'd forgotten. Ask Ban Ki Moon he knows.

LOL

pre 7 godina

How can Serbia be displaying colonial tendencies when it is recognized as the legal owner of all the assets in Kosovo the Albanians want to steal? Also, why are Albanians agreeing, like they did with Telekom Srbija, to grant it legal license if they are then going to call it colonialism? Sorry Vlora, you've been sniffing the same glue as Edita Tahiri.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Oh dear, Kosovo has not any desire to be like South Sudan. If that's what Serbia wants to be similar to, by all means go ahead!
(icj1, 17 November 2016 14:19)

South Sudan is light years ahead of KLA occupied Kosovo-Metohija. When ordinary Albanians realize that this project is an epic fail, they will willingly reintegrate into the rest of Serbia and be happy with more than autonomy, less than independence. And there will the peace!

the truth

pre 7 godina

@Ari gold or silver,
You obviously did not watch live the entire and/or not at all the UNSC session. I did and it was breathtaking, especially with Japanese Ambassador and the confrontation between him and Russian rep. Serb media , especially b92 always reported on this site the entire transcript of the session, yet this time I do not see it. It is a shame not to report thinks as they happened!?

ops, I forget something that Dacic said,as follows: The winery in Rahovec was owned by Car Dushan!!! He said this by pointing a finger at Japanese Ambassador. This was one hell of session. if I were Dacic , I will never appear in UNSC again.

Luke Buyenovich

pre 7 godina

Kosovo is not independent country just autonomous region of Serbia.Kosovo Albanians still practice terrorism,they have more than 1000 jihadist fighters in Middle East.Serbia should never consider giving the Kosovo full independence.

icj1

pre 7 godina

South Sudan declared independence 6 years after you with full recognition and a seat at the UN within a year.
(Ari Gold, 17 November 2016 13:34)

Oh dear, Kosovo has not any desire to be like South Sudan. If that's what Serbia wants to be similar to, by all means go ahead!

TX

pre 7 godina

"Dacic said that Serbia expects member states of the UN Security Council to use their authority to repeal the Law on Trepca adopted by the provisional institutions of self-government in Pristina."

Serbia is expecting way more than they should from other countries to do for her, which she isn't doing for herself. Fact of the matter is you have been negotiating deals in Brussels. You have wounded yourself, and your telling others to treat your wounds in a demanding manner. You really think other members care much about what your expectations?

Kosovo is a done deal, it has been a done deal the very hour NATO started bombing Serbia. NATO bombed Serbia to stop its oppression on Albanian civilians. You have created these problems, stop trying to hide them, they are quite obvious.

the actual truth

pre 7 godina

Wen was Prizeren The capital of Serbia ?
(Tony Pocesta, 17 November 2016 17:47)

Right around the time Croatia became a vassal of Hungary. It's understandable you wouldn't know, as your ancestors were busy cleaning horse stables for their new overlords.

Dwight

pre 7 godina

(the truth, 18 November 2016 08:38)
If Kosovo decided tomorrow to re-join with Serbia there would be 1.8 million new citizens, most of whom are Muslim.
Over half of these would have a right to vote. If they voted on ethnic lines for one party, it would be the second biggest party in Serbia with a huge say in Serbian state, bigger than Dacics' party
Many would move to Belgrade i Novi Sad for work, which would eventually lead to the building of large mosques.

However, what you do not realize is that most of those Serbs who want Kosovo to be part of Serbia also want to to expel or kill all non-Serbs, so the above items may not be an issue.
They don't talk about that too often.

Amer

pre 7 godina

I turned in late and heard only the last part of the session, but this included Dadic's rant and Citaku's response. He was obviously speaking for the folks at home, using references few people outside the two countries would recognize, while Citaku (who speaks excellent English - let's face it, it helps) replied calmly and in an organized fashion directly to her audience in the hall and the world on the role of the UN in the region's recent history, when it tried in vain to halt Serbian abuse of its then ethnic Albanian citizens in Kosovo.

As for colonization, that had a lot to do with much of Kosovo's Serbian population even being there (http://pescanik.net/the-colonization-of-kosovo/, e.g.), and for the reduced number of ethnic Albanians between the two World Wars. Efforts to return Serbs who had been moved to the region (at different times, including those displaced from BiH) in order to dilute the Albanian population, something Dacic forgot to mention in referring to the history of Serbs in the area.

(American kids are taught in school about the shameful parts of their history - the treatment of the Indians and slavery, in particular. While children in other lands are obviously taught these same facts about America, I sometimes have to wonder how much they learn about their own country's past.)

icj1

pre 7 godina

Kosovo doesn't want to be an internationally recognized state with UN membership and no territorial disputes.
(Navi, 17 November 2016 18:50)

Yup, Kosovo has no desire to be like, say, Ukraine from 1945-1990 which was an internationally recognized state with UN membership and no territorial disputes, but controlled by the Soviet army and police.

What Kosovo cares about is that Kosovo is not under the control of Serbia's army and police. All those things you mentioned are secondary to that.

sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia

pre 7 godina

Let them talk. It doesn't change anything. Frozen conflict.
(factman, 18 November 2016 01:46)

Exactly... Serbia loves to be frozen lol
(icj1, 18 November 2016 15:45) # Com

Sorry icj1 , Pristina is the one frozen and a fenced in Ghetto,not moving forward.)))
Belgrade has been moving forward,with foreign investment)))

icj1

pre 7 godina

South Sudan declared independence 6 years after you with full recognition and a seat at the UN within a year.
(Ari Gold, 17 November 2016 13:34)

Oh dear, Kosovo has not any desire to be like South Sudan. If that's what Serbia wants to be similar to, by all means go ahead!
(icj1, 17 November 2016 14:19)

South Sudan is light years ahead of KLA occupied Kosovo-Metohija.
(Ari Gold, 17 November 2016 16:04)

You don't need to convince Kosovo about that; start with Serbia. I hope that you manage to convince Serbs that South Sudan is this wonderful country that Serbia should aspire to be similar too lol
----------

When ordinary Albanians realize that this project is an epic fail, they will willingly reintegrate into the reence. And there will the peace!
(Ari Gold, 17 November 2016 16:04)

Well, according to a certain Ari Gold, Kosovo's current status is already more than autonomy, less than independence so there is already peace. So, I'm not sure what's bothering you and why you can't find peace!

the truth

pre 7 godina

Zamislimo jutro posle... Vratise nam Kosovo formalno i prakticno. Ima li neko ideju sta onda?
Komentar poslat iz B92 Android™ aplikacije (Android Robot by Google, CC BY 3.0) (Mek, 17. novembar 2016 10:24)

Bravo Mek. To je poenta. Uvek ovo pitanje postavljam ljudima koji tvrde da je Kosovo i dalje deo Srbije. Znaci sutra se probudimo i tih 2500000 ili koliko vec, to niko ne zna, Albanaca resi da ponovo zive u Srbiji. Ok, naucna fantastika, ali da vidimo. Dolaze izbori, Albanci uzimaju vecinu u Skupstini, imaju Premijera, Ministra policije, inostranih poslova, vojske, verovatno imaju i Predsednika i eto je cela Srbija postaje Albanska. A sto se Dacica tice...klasicno sakupljanje poena za unutrasnju upotrebu. Nista on bitno nije rekao. Sto pre se vecina ovde pomiri sa tim da je Kosovo nezavisno od Srbije bolje za sve nas.
(Che, 17. novembar 2016 14:12) # Link komentara

The above is one among many similar comments coming from ordinary Serbs on this site (Serbian language). I wonder what ari gold, dragoljub and many other wester key board warriors think???

factman

pre 7 godina

I know a lot of people who talk sh*t
I ignore them and keep on trucking.

The FM should just ignore bullsh*t and concentrate on getting FDI and corporate re-locations.

Let them talk. It doesn't change anything. Frozen conflict.

Ambivalent American administration in coming soon.

An EU about to collapse.

Go grow your economy and stop responding.

Navi

pre 7 godina

Oh dear, Kosovo has not any desire to be like South Sudan.
(icj1, 17 November 2016 14:19)

True. Kosovo doesn't want to be an internationally recognized state with UN membership and no territorial disputes.

Amer

pre 7 godina

All this about Serbia "colonizing" anywhere just a day or so after another article in B92 about its shrinking population? This is hardly news - the population has been declining since the mid-1950s, and with its most populous age group being in its mid-60's, the rate of decline is only going to accelerate - unless the small number of potential new mothers starts to have 3+ children over the coming decades. If you still feel a crying need to have all Serbs within the same borders, there is plenty of room to bring every Serb in the Balkans back home to the current Serbia. Just think how much more pleasant life would be without having to worry about foreign relations, except for setting up tennis matches and basketball games.

icj1

pre 7 godina

Let them talk. It doesn't change anything. Frozen conflict.
(factman, 18 November 2016 01:46)

Exactly... Serbia loves to be frozen lol

Amer

pre 7 godina

rote -

The Russians' problem is that there aren't enough young women to rapidly boost the number of babies born, even if the number of children they're willing to have is up some. Putin's stabilized the size of the population by reducing the death rate among late-middle-aged men (suicide, alcoholism, accidents), but this leaves him with more pensioners to be supported by an ever-smaller number of workers. (And what proportion of the new births are to Muslims? at one point this was a concern, as I remember).

The decline in the Serbian population from its high point in the mid-1950s was due at first to the move from the village to the city, as is normal. Lately the depression stemming from a bad economy (seen also, if to a lesser degree, in the U.S.) has only worsened prospects for recovery to a point where the small cohort of young women you are counting on for a rebound may simply not suffice over the foreseeable future. Look at the population pyramid.

Btw - training centers?

rote

pre 7 godina

AMER : the population has been declining since the mid-1950s ...

Serbs have problems with the birth rate because of several reasons that are common for all Europeans. Specific Serbian problem is that they've lost 3 wars launched against them by the USA. It always happens to the nations that loose wars - see the rates in the Axis states. So was in Russia during Yeltsin but now our birth rates are the highest in Europe. In the last 5 years they've increased for 65% from 1,2 to 2 million annually. No doubt as soon as Serbs see prospects in their homeland they will compensate the losses fast enough. Of course it won't shut you up and your training centers will deliver you other reasons why Serbs are as bad as the Russians. But it will only aggravate the situation for the Whites that temporarily occupy our lands in KIM. I always say OUR LANDS because in the times all those churches and monasteries were built Russians and Serbs were one people.

rote

pre 7 godina

Hatred and envy stops you from accepting the truth :

1/ 5-7 years ago Russian women delivered 1 200 000 babies annually. Today they deliver 2 000 000 that is 65% more. For every child they receive 450 000 rubles + monthly salary called here DEKRETNIE + they give free of charge child’s food for every new born.

2/ The increase was reached by the Central Russian regions mostly while in the Muslim inhabited regions the birth rate fell down. In Chechia for 20% in Ingushetia for 14% ect.

3/ Russian Muslims are good Russians they has always fought side by side with us. In Brest Zitadel that fought for 29 days when the front went east there were 3 battalions – an Armenian, a Russian and a Chechen-Ingush.

4/ Serbs are half defeated but still they are the white crows of the peninsula as everybody else is sucking there. That’s why you all panic now that the times are changing in our favor. Last night one nigger said that Russia is a military superpower while last year he said that Russia was a regional state with an economy torn into pieces.

5/ Don’t worry about the Serbian birth rates. I believe that they will follow us to have Nr.1 birth rate in Europe as soon as they feel that they have survived through the 2 decades of demonization and terrorizing.

PS The nickname you use and word AMERICA have the same basis : AMER-I CAN = EMIR OF THE KHAN. Guess who was the Khan? To help you same was CANADA = CAN ARDA = HORDE OF THE KHAN.

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 7 godina

@observer:

After reading your comments and I feel that it does have some relevance and that is because Kosovo has declared independence from Serbia and because there is said to be occasional or rampant tension between Albanians & Serbs my question is since Kosovo declared sovereignty 8 years ago have many ethnic Albanian students as a result became bullies towards Serb and/or other non-Albanian students? If so are the bullies favourite "choice" statements are "Kosovo is free of Serb rule.Albanians now rule this country.We Albanians are your masters and you Serbs are now our slaves." Also do Albanian bullies have a tendency to label their smaller and weaker victims as "m*ti vogels"(little sh*ts) and or as "q*fsha vogels"(little f*cks)? I'm not trying to be funny I'm just being inquisitive.

icj1

pre 7 godina

Belgrade has been moving forward,with foreign investment
(sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia, 18 November 2016 16:32)

Sure, feel free to sort it out with factman lol

observer

pre 7 godina

Flora Citaku at the UN yesterday:
" Let’s just do a quick reality check. First, this is 2016, not 1999. Second, Kosovo is no longer administered by the United Nations, as of 17 of February 2008. Kosovo is a free and independent state, recognized by the overwhelming majority of the free nations of the world. And these facts are irreversible. The clock of history cannot be turned back. But, yet, we come here, every three months, to hear from my colleagues from Serbia, about a parallel universe, in which Kosovo’s statehood is inexistent, in which, it was Kosovo Albanians that committed ethnic cleansing, in which the oppressor becomes the oppressed. In this parallel universe that Serbia portraits, Milosevic is the hero, and KLA that fought for freedom are the terrorists; Kosovo violated the international law, where Serbia fought to protected it...the truth is very clear, oppressed people stood up and fought for their freedom, and gained independence. "

Giovanni

pre 7 godina

Well that's kind of amusing,Vlora. Perhaps you might care to find a mirror and see what a true colonialist looks like. Or maybe the word parasite might be more fitting. Difficult to literally separate the two.Your in Serbia in case you'd forgotten. Ask Ban Ki Moon he knows.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 7 godina

Well said F.M. Dacic!

Your words most respected within the sane minds of humanity! Albanian Islamic terrorist occupy Kosovo only because the big gun USA protects Islamic terrorist! In reality Srbija's greatest enemy is the USA! Srbija must never look up to the USA, they have severely damaged our people and our nation!!!

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Yes, "kosovo" is independent. That's why Serbia is applying for calling codes on its behalf, and the Pristina institutions can't move an inch on anything without negotiations with its country, Serbia. That's also why Pristina cannot sell off assets like Trepca and Gazivoda or receive a seat at the UN or even speak without invitation from Albania. Also why only half (overwhelming?!) countries recognize the pseudostate despite billions spent in lobbying with some of the strongest countries pressuring others for recognition! South Sudan declared independence 6 years after you with full recognition and a seat at the UN within a year. That's how countries are born.

Your stillborn operation is a failure and only proves that you very much depend on Belgrade. And your country has no problem talking to you because Serbia doesn't have a problem with Albanians as a nation, just wont allow you to become your own country.

icj1

pre 7 godina

South Sudan declared independence 6 years after you with full recognition and a seat at the UN within a year.
(Ari Gold, 17 November 2016 13:34)

Oh dear, Kosovo has not any desire to be like South Sudan. If that's what Serbia wants to be similar to, by all means go ahead!

Amer

pre 7 godina

I turned in late and heard only the last part of the session, but this included Dadic's rant and Citaku's response. He was obviously speaking for the folks at home, using references few people outside the two countries would recognize, while Citaku (who speaks excellent English - let's face it, it helps) replied calmly and in an organized fashion directly to her audience in the hall and the world on the role of the UN in the region's recent history, when it tried in vain to halt Serbian abuse of its then ethnic Albanian citizens in Kosovo.

As for colonization, that had a lot to do with much of Kosovo's Serbian population even being there (http://pescanik.net/the-colonization-of-kosovo/, e.g.), and for the reduced number of ethnic Albanians between the two World Wars. Efforts to return Serbs who had been moved to the region (at different times, including those displaced from BiH) in order to dilute the Albanian population, something Dacic forgot to mention in referring to the history of Serbs in the area.

(American kids are taught in school about the shameful parts of their history - the treatment of the Indians and slavery, in particular. While children in other lands are obviously taught these same facts about America, I sometimes have to wonder how much they learn about their own country's past.)

TX

pre 7 godina

"Dacic said that Serbia expects member states of the UN Security Council to use their authority to repeal the Law on Trepca adopted by the provisional institutions of self-government in Pristina."

Serbia is expecting way more than they should from other countries to do for her, which she isn't doing for herself. Fact of the matter is you have been negotiating deals in Brussels. You have wounded yourself, and your telling others to treat your wounds in a demanding manner. You really think other members care much about what your expectations?

Kosovo is a done deal, it has been a done deal the very hour NATO started bombing Serbia. NATO bombed Serbia to stop its oppression on Albanian civilians. You have created these problems, stop trying to hide them, they are quite obvious.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Oh dear, Kosovo has not any desire to be like South Sudan. If that's what Serbia wants to be similar to, by all means go ahead!
(icj1, 17 November 2016 14:19)

South Sudan is light years ahead of KLA occupied Kosovo-Metohija. When ordinary Albanians realize that this project is an epic fail, they will willingly reintegrate into the rest of Serbia and be happy with more than autonomy, less than independence. And there will the peace!

LOL

pre 7 godina

How can Serbia be displaying colonial tendencies when it is recognized as the legal owner of all the assets in Kosovo the Albanians want to steal? Also, why are Albanians agreeing, like they did with Telekom Srbija, to grant it legal license if they are then going to call it colonialism? Sorry Vlora, you've been sniffing the same glue as Edita Tahiri.

the truth

pre 7 godina

@Ari gold or silver,
You obviously did not watch live the entire and/or not at all the UNSC session. I did and it was breathtaking, especially with Japanese Ambassador and the confrontation between him and Russian rep. Serb media , especially b92 always reported on this site the entire transcript of the session, yet this time I do not see it. It is a shame not to report thinks as they happened!?

ops, I forget something that Dacic said,as follows: The winery in Rahovec was owned by Car Dushan!!! He said this by pointing a finger at Japanese Ambassador. This was one hell of session. if I were Dacic , I will never appear in UNSC again.

icj1

pre 7 godina

South Sudan declared independence 6 years after you with full recognition and a seat at the UN within a year.
(Ari Gold, 17 November 2016 13:34)

Oh dear, Kosovo has not any desire to be like South Sudan. If that's what Serbia wants to be similar to, by all means go ahead!
(icj1, 17 November 2016 14:19)

South Sudan is light years ahead of KLA occupied Kosovo-Metohija.
(Ari Gold, 17 November 2016 16:04)

You don't need to convince Kosovo about that; start with Serbia. I hope that you manage to convince Serbs that South Sudan is this wonderful country that Serbia should aspire to be similar too lol
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When ordinary Albanians realize that this project is an epic fail, they will willingly reintegrate into the reence. And there will the peace!
(Ari Gold, 17 November 2016 16:04)

Well, according to a certain Ari Gold, Kosovo's current status is already more than autonomy, less than independence so there is already peace. So, I'm not sure what's bothering you and why you can't find peace!

Luke Buyenovich

pre 7 godina

Kosovo is not independent country just autonomous region of Serbia.Kosovo Albanians still practice terrorism,they have more than 1000 jihadist fighters in Middle East.Serbia should never consider giving the Kosovo full independence.

the actual truth

pre 7 godina

Wen was Prizeren The capital of Serbia ?
(Tony Pocesta, 17 November 2016 17:47)

Right around the time Croatia became a vassal of Hungary. It's understandable you wouldn't know, as your ancestors were busy cleaning horse stables for their new overlords.

icj1

pre 7 godina

Kosovo doesn't want to be an internationally recognized state with UN membership and no territorial disputes.
(Navi, 17 November 2016 18:50)

Yup, Kosovo has no desire to be like, say, Ukraine from 1945-1990 which was an internationally recognized state with UN membership and no territorial disputes, but controlled by the Soviet army and police.

What Kosovo cares about is that Kosovo is not under the control of Serbia's army and police. All those things you mentioned are secondary to that.

rote

pre 7 godina

AMER : the population has been declining since the mid-1950s ...

Serbs have problems with the birth rate because of several reasons that are common for all Europeans. Specific Serbian problem is that they've lost 3 wars launched against them by the USA. It always happens to the nations that loose wars - see the rates in the Axis states. So was in Russia during Yeltsin but now our birth rates are the highest in Europe. In the last 5 years they've increased for 65% from 1,2 to 2 million annually. No doubt as soon as Serbs see prospects in their homeland they will compensate the losses fast enough. Of course it won't shut you up and your training centers will deliver you other reasons why Serbs are as bad as the Russians. But it will only aggravate the situation for the Whites that temporarily occupy our lands in KIM. I always say OUR LANDS because in the times all those churches and monasteries were built Russians and Serbs were one people.

Navi

pre 7 godina

Oh dear, Kosovo has not any desire to be like South Sudan.
(icj1, 17 November 2016 14:19)

True. Kosovo doesn't want to be an internationally recognized state with UN membership and no territorial disputes.

the truth

pre 7 godina

Zamislimo jutro posle... Vratise nam Kosovo formalno i prakticno. Ima li neko ideju sta onda?
Komentar poslat iz B92 Android™ aplikacije (Android Robot by Google, CC BY 3.0) (Mek, 17. novembar 2016 10:24)

Bravo Mek. To je poenta. Uvek ovo pitanje postavljam ljudima koji tvrde da je Kosovo i dalje deo Srbije. Znaci sutra se probudimo i tih 2500000 ili koliko vec, to niko ne zna, Albanaca resi da ponovo zive u Srbiji. Ok, naucna fantastika, ali da vidimo. Dolaze izbori, Albanci uzimaju vecinu u Skupstini, imaju Premijera, Ministra policije, inostranih poslova, vojske, verovatno imaju i Predsednika i eto je cela Srbija postaje Albanska. A sto se Dacica tice...klasicno sakupljanje poena za unutrasnju upotrebu. Nista on bitno nije rekao. Sto pre se vecina ovde pomiri sa tim da je Kosovo nezavisno od Srbije bolje za sve nas.
(Che, 17. novembar 2016 14:12) # Link komentara

The above is one among many similar comments coming from ordinary Serbs on this site (Serbian language). I wonder what ari gold, dragoljub and many other wester key board warriors think???

icj1

pre 7 godina

Let them talk. It doesn't change anything. Frozen conflict.
(factman, 18 November 2016 01:46)

Exactly... Serbia loves to be frozen lol

factman

pre 7 godina

I know a lot of people who talk sh*t
I ignore them and keep on trucking.

The FM should just ignore bullsh*t and concentrate on getting FDI and corporate re-locations.

Let them talk. It doesn't change anything. Frozen conflict.

Ambivalent American administration in coming soon.

An EU about to collapse.

Go grow your economy and stop responding.

Dwight

pre 7 godina

(the truth, 18 November 2016 08:38)
If Kosovo decided tomorrow to re-join with Serbia there would be 1.8 million new citizens, most of whom are Muslim.
Over half of these would have a right to vote. If they voted on ethnic lines for one party, it would be the second biggest party in Serbia with a huge say in Serbian state, bigger than Dacics' party
Many would move to Belgrade i Novi Sad for work, which would eventually lead to the building of large mosques.

However, what you do not realize is that most of those Serbs who want Kosovo to be part of Serbia also want to to expel or kill all non-Serbs, so the above items may not be an issue.
They don't talk about that too often.

Amer

pre 7 godina

rote -

The Russians' problem is that there aren't enough young women to rapidly boost the number of babies born, even if the number of children they're willing to have is up some. Putin's stabilized the size of the population by reducing the death rate among late-middle-aged men (suicide, alcoholism, accidents), but this leaves him with more pensioners to be supported by an ever-smaller number of workers. (And what proportion of the new births are to Muslims? at one point this was a concern, as I remember).

The decline in the Serbian population from its high point in the mid-1950s was due at first to the move from the village to the city, as is normal. Lately the depression stemming from a bad economy (seen also, if to a lesser degree, in the U.S.) has only worsened prospects for recovery to a point where the small cohort of young women you are counting on for a rebound may simply not suffice over the foreseeable future. Look at the population pyramid.

Btw - training centers?

Amer

pre 7 godina

All this about Serbia "colonizing" anywhere just a day or so after another article in B92 about its shrinking population? This is hardly news - the population has been declining since the mid-1950s, and with its most populous age group being in its mid-60's, the rate of decline is only going to accelerate - unless the small number of potential new mothers starts to have 3+ children over the coming decades. If you still feel a crying need to have all Serbs within the same borders, there is plenty of room to bring every Serb in the Balkans back home to the current Serbia. Just think how much more pleasant life would be without having to worry about foreign relations, except for setting up tennis matches and basketball games.

rote

pre 7 godina

Hatred and envy stops you from accepting the truth :

1/ 5-7 years ago Russian women delivered 1 200 000 babies annually. Today they deliver 2 000 000 that is 65% more. For every child they receive 450 000 rubles + monthly salary called here DEKRETNIE + they give free of charge child’s food for every new born.

2/ The increase was reached by the Central Russian regions mostly while in the Muslim inhabited regions the birth rate fell down. In Chechia for 20% in Ingushetia for 14% ect.

3/ Russian Muslims are good Russians they has always fought side by side with us. In Brest Zitadel that fought for 29 days when the front went east there were 3 battalions – an Armenian, a Russian and a Chechen-Ingush.

4/ Serbs are half defeated but still they are the white crows of the peninsula as everybody else is sucking there. That’s why you all panic now that the times are changing in our favor. Last night one nigger said that Russia is a military superpower while last year he said that Russia was a regional state with an economy torn into pieces.

5/ Don’t worry about the Serbian birth rates. I believe that they will follow us to have Nr.1 birth rate in Europe as soon as they feel that they have survived through the 2 decades of demonization and terrorizing.

PS The nickname you use and word AMERICA have the same basis : AMER-I CAN = EMIR OF THE KHAN. Guess who was the Khan? To help you same was CANADA = CAN ARDA = HORDE OF THE KHAN.

sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia

pre 7 godina

Let them talk. It doesn't change anything. Frozen conflict.
(factman, 18 November 2016 01:46)

Exactly... Serbia loves to be frozen lol
(icj1, 18 November 2016 15:45) # Com

Sorry icj1 , Pristina is the one frozen and a fenced in Ghetto,not moving forward.)))
Belgrade has been moving forward,with foreign investment)))

icj1

pre 7 godina

Belgrade has been moving forward,with foreign investment
(sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia, 18 November 2016 16:32)

Sure, feel free to sort it out with factman lol

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 7 godina

@observer:

After reading your comments and I feel that it does have some relevance and that is because Kosovo has declared independence from Serbia and because there is said to be occasional or rampant tension between Albanians & Serbs my question is since Kosovo declared sovereignty 8 years ago have many ethnic Albanian students as a result became bullies towards Serb and/or other non-Albanian students? If so are the bullies favourite "choice" statements are "Kosovo is free of Serb rule.Albanians now rule this country.We Albanians are your masters and you Serbs are now our slaves." Also do Albanian bullies have a tendency to label their smaller and weaker victims as "m*ti vogels"(little sh*ts) and or as "q*fsha vogels"(little f*cks)? I'm not trying to be funny I'm just being inquisitive.