NATO's 1999 bombing campaign was aggression, says Lavrov

Nothing justifies Russia's involvement in barrel bombing civilians.

@Bob;

'Nothing justifies Russia's involvement in barrel bombing civilians'

Agreed. Two wrongs don't make a right, as the saying goes. But I think the point he's making is the 'West's' hypocrisy when it comes to foreign interventions. Civilian infrastructure was deliberately targeted in Serbia during the NATO aggression on that country. Lavrov didn't mention the cluster bombing of a marketplace in the city of Nis. Serbia was subjected to a campaign of terror bombing. NATO aircraft attacked at will. And when the targets ran out, as they would in such a small relatively defenceless country, they went for civilian targets such as hospitals, schools, bridges, power plants, and media outlets. These are war crimes. But because the 'West' was responsible (hiding behind the derisory euphemism 'collateral damage') nobody was held to account. And nobody ever will be held to account. We all know that. Even you Bob. The 'West' has plenty of blood on it's hands in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and yes, Serbia. I think that's the point Lavrov was eluding to.

Nothing justifies Russia's involvement in barrel bombing civilians.
(Bob, 31 October 2016 12:47)

Nothing justifies the gross war crimes perpetrated by US, NATO and it's so called allies with the use of illegal cluster bombs and depleted Uranium to name two across all of the former Yugoslavia. Ask current VP Biden, his son died from it and many other innocent civilians including Albanians are dying from Cancer.

Just for Information, have you ever hear for saying "Let other side be heard"? CNN, BBC etc. are full of Russian bombings, but thanks to Russia Today, we can the other side of story. People are sick of lies and twisting the truth so they turn to alternative sources such as RT that has huge popularity. Of course they present opinion of Russia, but unlike their western counterpart they dont need to lie, they just need to do what they are best at-exposing hipocracy of West and it's double standards policy. Take Mosul and Allepo for example. Double standards!

Whenever Russians speak they make no sense. Them bombing Chechnya, invading Gerogia, Ukraine, bombing schools and hospitals in Aleppo are what?

"Thousands of those killed, several hundred children out of them, 250,000 refugees that no one has recalled since," Lavrov said.

The western NATO propaganda media outlet named wikipedia named a few 100 civilian casualties* in total (based on reports of Human rights watch and other organizations) caused by the NATO bombing, but of course Lavrov knows it better and that out of the 500 or so in total, there have been several hundred children :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_during_Operation_Allied_Force

*Serbian citizens, including Kosovo Albanians, btw.

Russian Propaganda at it's best. If you want a few hundred children as victims, look at Aleppo, where Russian (or Syrian) air forced killed about 40 children during bombing of a School.

"Nothing justifies the gross war crimes perpetrated by US, NATO and it's so called allies with the use of illegal cluster bombs and depleted Uranium to name two across all of the former Yugoslavia. Ask current VP Biden, his son died from it and many other innocent civilians including Albanians are dying from Cancer.
(Jugoslavija, 31 October 2016 17:09)"

Hilarious. You think every cancer is caused from this? Everyone in the Balkans smokes like chimneys, drinks like a horse, and eats a diet full of meat and you wonder where cancer comes from? You blame it on a conspiracy theory with zero evidence. Typical Balkan thinking.

Russian Propaganda at it's best. If you want a few hundred children as victims, look at Aleppo, where Russian (or Syrian) air forced killed about 40 children during bombing of a School.
(Just for Information, 31 October 2016 13:01)

МЫ УЖЕ 14 ДНЕЙ НЕ БОМБИМ АЛЕППО!


Nothing justifies Russia's involvement in barrel bombing civilians.
(Bob, 31 October 2016 12:47)

WE NEED NO BARREL BOMBS AS WE HAVE MILLIONS OF THE SOVIET BOMBS TO BE UTILIZED!

Nothing justifies the gross war crimes perpetrated by US, NATO and it's so called allies
(Jugoslavija, 31 October 2016 17:09)

The UN has already determined that there is no sufficient evidence that US, NATO and it's so called allies committed war crimes in 1999.

Would you rather have preferred for Belgrade to be bombed Aleppo-style?!

Take Mosul and Allepo for example. Double standards!
(RighteousBilly, 31 October 2016 14:53)

Of course, because they are two different cities, events, etc, so standards are different as a result. So not sure what your point is! You appear to have some challenges expressing what you're trying to say :)

icj1, what is the point explaining to those who will never understand? Watch RT! People as you can get any illness except of illness of brain.:)

(icj1, 18 October 2016 16:16)
What has our resident albanian idiot been saying ad nauseam? “Since sj is the CE of B92 forums sj is always correct we must adhere to his/her teachings ………. “Only a brilliant economist like the CE of B92 forums …
Therefore, as icj has decalred sj to be brilliant then sj declares icj1 to be an albanian idiot. We now have irrefutable proof of icj1 confirming that whatever sj writes is the truth, the conclusive evidence is that even icj1 agrees with sj’s statement that he/she is an idiot.

Of course Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is saying this...

And you wanna be EU ?? U will Never be..

"it was the first armed attack in Europe on a sovereign state after 1945"
Czechoslovakia doesn't count?

Whenever Russians speak they make no sense. Them bombing Chechnya, invading Gerogia, Ukraine, bombing schools and hospitals in Aleppo are what?
(Avni, 31 October 2016 20:58)

1/ in Chechnia we fought Al Qaeda aka the USA
2/ in Georgia we fought the USA and their chain dogs
3/ in Ukraine we didn’t fought … yet
4/ in Haleb we fight the Muslim Brothers aka Ihwan ul-Muslimin aka Qathar. And we never bombed any hospitals or schools here. By the way Aleppo aka Haleb aka Глеб was established by the Rus Cossacks in late 14 century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

Take Mosul and Allepo for example. Double standards!
(RighteousBilly, 31 October 2016 14:53)

Of course, because they are two different cities, events, etc, so standards are different as a result. So not sure what your point is! You appear to have some challenges expressing what you're trying to say :)
(icj1, 31 October 2016 23:41)

icj1, what is the point explaining to those who will never understand? Watch RT!
(RighteousBilly, 1 November 2016 10:28)

Exactly, there is no point explaining your nonsense - it will remain nonsense regardless of how you or RT spins it :)

"it was the first armed attack in Europe on a sovereign state after 1945"
Czechoslovakia doesn't count?

(Dwight, 1 November 2016 17:17)


no it doesn't as the 5 states entered there on a legal basis and that's why you are the first to bark about it ecer since and we didn't tear that state apart or changed the regime. my uncle commanded a batalion there so i can tell you a lot about Prague

Icj1, I spin it Lol!
Before you start to write or criticize there are some principles that you need to accept as basic:

1. Audiatur et altera pars-Let other side be heard
2. Dont talk about something that you haven't read or even less criticize it
3. Fact are facts,like it or not you can't change it what ever you do
4. Being polite is more important than have a right

So far you just make yourself look childish. Maybe you shouldn't join conversation with gorwn up people. Do your school homework or whatever you do. You are from clan society, you should know tolet grown up people talk.

Dwight, check your numbers again. 500 Serb civilians were killed in 1999?

Hungary doesn't count either?

Dwight, that was invasion and occupation by Soviets, but can't compare with bombing of 1999. How many victims was in Hungary?

Dwight, that was invasion and occupation by Soviets, but can't compare with bombing of 1999. How many victims was in Hungary?
(RighteousBilly, 2 November 2016 13:10)

Lavrov wasnt comparing numbers he just said that 1999 was the first armed attack on a sovereign state after 1945.
Approximately 1500 civilians killed in Budapest, compared to total 500 civilians in Serbia, Kosovo and Montenegro

Everyone in the Balkans smokes like chimneys, drinks like a horse, and eats a diet full of meat and you wonder where cancer comes from? You blame it on a conspiracy theory with zero evidence. Typical Balkan thinking.
(LK, 31 October 2016 20:54) #

Don't make me laugh, where is your evidence? There was no such thing as "cancer" in former Yugoslavia compared to Western Countries such as America which pollutes its environment and food chain daily. Don't forget smoking as well; the highest smoking rates are in the Balkans and Turkey, but the incident rates of Cancer are low compared to the United States because the land is not polluted with chemicals and pollutants like the US. Do you need more facts for your brain to absorb or do you have too many blockages from the fast food you consume?

(RighteousBilly, 3 November 2016 07:23)
You are correct however, 500 is too low.

Human Rights Watch estimated 489-528 civilians. Serbian government estimates at least 1900 civilians

I think The HRW numbers are probably too low as this report was done so recently after 1999. The Serbian government numbers are too high because the Serbian government overestimated everything for maximum "we are victims" effect.

There were still more civilians killed in Hungary by the Soviets and allies in 1968 than killed by NATO in 1999

@B92

Just out of curiosity, do the words "delirium", "hallucinations" and/or "poor" not pass B92's moderating standards?! Just curious because I see a lot worse on this page alone and others!

I hope the "moderator" of these forums is just a moderator not one of the contributors to the debate :)

Nothing justifies Russia's involvement in barrel bombing civilians.

"Thousands of those killed, several hundred children out of them, 250,000 refugees that no one has recalled since," Lavrov said.

The western NATO propaganda media outlet named wikipedia named a few 100 civilian casualties* in total (based on reports of Human rights watch and other organizations) caused by the NATO bombing, but of course Lavrov knows it better and that out of the 500 or so in total, there have been several hundred children :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_during_Operation_Allied_Force

*Serbian citizens, including Kosovo Albanians, btw.

Russian Propaganda at it's best. If you want a few hundred children as victims, look at Aleppo, where Russian (or Syrian) air forced killed about 40 children during bombing of a School.

"Nothing justifies the gross war crimes perpetrated by US, NATO and it's so called allies with the use of illegal cluster bombs and depleted Uranium to name two across all of the former Yugoslavia. Ask current VP Biden, his son died from it and many other innocent civilians including Albanians are dying from Cancer.
(Jugoslavija, 31 October 2016 17:09)"

Hilarious. You think every cancer is caused from this? Everyone in the Balkans smokes like chimneys, drinks like a horse, and eats a diet full of meat and you wonder where cancer comes from? You blame it on a conspiracy theory with zero evidence. Typical Balkan thinking.

Whenever Russians speak they make no sense. Them bombing Chechnya, invading Gerogia, Ukraine, bombing schools and hospitals in Aleppo are what?

@Bob;

'Nothing justifies Russia's involvement in barrel bombing civilians'

Agreed. Two wrongs don't make a right, as the saying goes. But I think the point he's making is the 'West's' hypocrisy when it comes to foreign interventions. Civilian infrastructure was deliberately targeted in Serbia during the NATO aggression on that country. Lavrov didn't mention the cluster bombing of a marketplace in the city of Nis. Serbia was subjected to a campaign of terror bombing. NATO aircraft attacked at will. And when the targets ran out, as they would in such a small relatively defenceless country, they went for civilian targets such as hospitals, schools, bridges, power plants, and media outlets. These are war crimes. But because the 'West' was responsible (hiding behind the derisory euphemism 'collateral damage') nobody was held to account. And nobody ever will be held to account. We all know that. Even you Bob. The 'West' has plenty of blood on it's hands in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and yes, Serbia. I think that's the point Lavrov was eluding to.

Just for Information, have you ever hear for saying "Let other side be heard"? CNN, BBC etc. are full of Russian bombings, but thanks to Russia Today, we can the other side of story. People are sick of lies and twisting the truth so they turn to alternative sources such as RT that has huge popularity. Of course they present opinion of Russia, but unlike their western counterpart they dont need to lie, they just need to do what they are best at-exposing hipocracy of West and it's double standards policy. Take Mosul and Allepo for example. Double standards!

Whenever Russians speak they make no sense. Them bombing Chechnya, invading Gerogia, Ukraine, bombing schools and hospitals in Aleppo are what?
(Avni, 31 October 2016 20:58)

1/ in Chechnia we fought Al Qaeda aka the USA
2/ in Georgia we fought the USA and their chain dogs
3/ in Ukraine we didn’t fought … yet
4/ in Haleb we fight the Muslim Brothers aka Ihwan ul-Muslimin aka Qathar. And we never bombed any hospitals or schools here. By the way Aleppo aka Haleb aka Глеб was established by the Rus Cossacks in late 14 century.

Nothing justifies Russia's involvement in barrel bombing civilians.
(Bob, 31 October 2016 12:47)

Nothing justifies the gross war crimes perpetrated by US, NATO and it's so called allies with the use of illegal cluster bombs and depleted Uranium to name two across all of the former Yugoslavia. Ask current VP Biden, his son died from it and many other innocent civilians including Albanians are dying from Cancer.

Russian Propaganda at it's best. If you want a few hundred children as victims, look at Aleppo, where Russian (or Syrian) air forced killed about 40 children during bombing of a School.
(Just for Information, 31 October 2016 13:01)

МЫ УЖЕ 14 ДНЕЙ НЕ БОМБИМ АЛЕППО!


Nothing justifies Russia's involvement in barrel bombing civilians.
(Bob, 31 October 2016 12:47)

WE NEED NO BARREL BOMBS AS WE HAVE MILLIONS OF THE SOVIET BOMBS TO BE UTILIZED!

(icj1, 18 October 2016 16:16)
What has our resident albanian idiot been saying ad nauseam? “Since sj is the CE of B92 forums sj is always correct we must adhere to his/her teachings ………. “Only a brilliant economist like the CE of B92 forums …
Therefore, as icj has decalred sj to be brilliant then sj declares icj1 to be an albanian idiot. We now have irrefutable proof of icj1 confirming that whatever sj writes is the truth, the conclusive evidence is that even icj1 agrees with sj’s statement that he/she is an idiot.

icj1, what is the point explaining to those who will never understand? Watch RT! People as you can get any illness except of illness of brain.:)

Nothing justifies the gross war crimes perpetrated by US, NATO and it's so called allies
(Jugoslavija, 31 October 2016 17:09)

The UN has already determined that there is no sufficient evidence that US, NATO and it's so called allies committed war crimes in 1999.

Would you rather have preferred for Belgrade to be bombed Aleppo-style?!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

Of course Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is saying this...

And you wanna be EU ?? U will Never be..

Take Mosul and Allepo for example. Double standards!
(RighteousBilly, 31 October 2016 14:53)

Of course, because they are two different cities, events, etc, so standards are different as a result. So not sure what your point is! You appear to have some challenges expressing what you're trying to say :)
(icj1, 31 October 2016 23:41)

icj1, what is the point explaining to those who will never understand? Watch RT!
(RighteousBilly, 1 November 2016 10:28)

Exactly, there is no point explaining your nonsense - it will remain nonsense regardless of how you or RT spins it :)

Take Mosul and Allepo for example. Double standards!
(RighteousBilly, 31 October 2016 14:53)

Of course, because they are two different cities, events, etc, so standards are different as a result. So not sure what your point is! You appear to have some challenges expressing what you're trying to say :)

"it was the first armed attack in Europe on a sovereign state after 1945"
Czechoslovakia doesn't count?

Dwight, that was invasion and occupation by Soviets, but can't compare with bombing of 1999. How many victims was in Hungary?
(RighteousBilly, 2 November 2016 13:10)

Lavrov wasnt comparing numbers he just said that 1999 was the first armed attack on a sovereign state after 1945.
Approximately 1500 civilians killed in Budapest, compared to total 500 civilians in Serbia, Kosovo and Montenegro

Everyone in the Balkans smokes like chimneys, drinks like a horse, and eats a diet full of meat and you wonder where cancer comes from? You blame it on a conspiracy theory with zero evidence. Typical Balkan thinking.
(LK, 31 October 2016 20:54) #

Don't make me laugh, where is your evidence? There was no such thing as "cancer" in former Yugoslavia compared to Western Countries such as America which pollutes its environment and food chain daily. Don't forget smoking as well; the highest smoking rates are in the Balkans and Turkey, but the incident rates of Cancer are low compared to the United States because the land is not polluted with chemicals and pollutants like the US. Do you need more facts for your brain to absorb or do you have too many blockages from the fast food you consume?

"it was the first armed attack in Europe on a sovereign state after 1945"
Czechoslovakia doesn't count?

(Dwight, 1 November 2016 17:17)


no it doesn't as the 5 states entered there on a legal basis and that's why you are the first to bark about it ecer since and we didn't tear that state apart or changed the regime. my uncle commanded a batalion there so i can tell you a lot about Prague

Dwight, that was invasion and occupation by Soviets, but can't compare with bombing of 1999. How many victims was in Hungary?

Icj1, I spin it Lol!
Before you start to write or criticize there are some principles that you need to accept as basic:

1. Audiatur et altera pars-Let other side be heard
2. Dont talk about something that you haven't read or even less criticize it
3. Fact are facts,like it or not you can't change it what ever you do
4. Being polite is more important than have a right

So far you just make yourself look childish. Maybe you shouldn't join conversation with gorwn up people. Do your school homework or whatever you do. You are from clan society, you should know tolet grown up people talk.

Hungary doesn't count either?

Dwight, check your numbers again. 500 Serb civilians were killed in 1999?

(RighteousBilly, 3 November 2016 07:23)
You are correct however, 500 is too low.

Human Rights Watch estimated 489-528 civilians. Serbian government estimates at least 1900 civilians

I think The HRW numbers are probably too low as this report was done so recently after 1999. The Serbian government numbers are too high because the Serbian government overestimated everything for maximum "we are victims" effect.

There were still more civilians killed in Hungary by the Soviets and allies in 1968 than killed by NATO in 1999

@B92

Just out of curiosity, do the words "delirium", "hallucinations" and/or "poor" not pass B92's moderating standards?! Just curious because I see a lot worse on this page alone and others!

I hope the "moderator" of these forums is just a moderator not one of the contributors to the debate :)