Serbia "rejecting EU declarations because of Russia"

End of the road for Serbia towards the EU. It came very quickly.

Srbia will never ever be a member of EU !.

Arn.Sweden.

Lets make something clear here, this is directed to the Euro-Union Trolls who have nothing better to do but insult Serbs and Serbia. Serbs don't want anything to do with the failed Euro-Union. Serbia needs to focus on its long tradition of non-alignment, and work to some degree with everyone who is willing to work with Serbia without threats or ultimatums. Just observe recently how many nations are starting to do the same and have their own independent foreign policy. Stay independent, the Euro will not contribute anything to Serbia she cannot get on her own by working with others such as Russia, China, Africa and the rest of the world.

Czech Republic, Hungary, Bulgaria, Poland and Romania only do as they are told. They are second rate countries in the EU which are not on par with the likes of Germany.
The problem with the UK is they live in a delusional state. The UK politicians are selling this idea to the masses of a Great Britain, but in reality there is nothing great about it. If they had some level of common sense they would withdraw from this process since by February they will have to invoke Article 50.
It’s all part of the sales pitch of UK being great and a real mover and shaker in the scheme of things.

Srbia will never ever be a member of EU !.

Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 27 October 2016 10:13)

Niiice.

Serbia can still get some more of these funds while doing whatever it wants i.e. defending it's sovereignty and developing ties with China and Russia.
(Ari Gold, 27 October 2016 14:19)

Why can't Serbia get these funds from Russia and China since we're told that Russia and China love Serbia and are Serbia's true friends?!!!

This is what happens when we base our politics on wishful thinking. A side has to be picked or else when those chairs move apart, we will be the first to fall.

I have to ask, and this is without giving an opinion on why other states are blocking the continuation of the opening of chapters, but why is Great Britain involved in this? They are leaving the EU, it seems quite odd that they are involved in stopping others from joining

I doubt Hungary is blocking Serbia as relations have never been better and Hungary itself is very close to Russia these days. More likely Croatia instead. If this is the end of the road for Serbia regarding EU membership, so be it. It wont help Serbia anyway and it's alot better to be a EU candidate instead of member. This way, Serbia can still get some more of these funds while doing whatever it wants i.e. defending it's sovereignty and developing ties with China and Russia.

As many as one third of EU members are blocking the continuation of the procedures for the opening of Chapter 31 in Serbia's accession negotiations :)

@icj

Because the EU isn't a country but an empire seeking to expand its influence, expand its reach and grow in size. But Chinese investment is coming pretty quickly these days. That will continue. Just don't expect anyone to have the grandiose expansionist ambitions that the EU has. But there are no "true friends" just ibterests. And it's in Serbia's interest to deepen ties with China and Russia.

Czech Republic, Hungary, Bulgaria, Poland and Romania only do as they are told.
(sj, 27 October 2016 11:12)

Told by whom? By Russia and China which, according to the CE of B92 forums sj, are the superpowers that control the world?!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

It (the EU) wont help Serbia anyway and it's alot better to be a EU candidate instead of member. This way, Serbia can still get some more of these funds while doing whatever it wants i.e. defending it's sovereignty and developing ties with China and Russia.
(Ari Gold, 27 October 2016 14:19)

Then why is it that Serbia is crawling on its knees to become a member of the EU. Serbia is more uncomfortable than a whore in church, but she will endure all forms of humiliation just to reach the promised land.

As soon as Serbs started to speak with a Russian accent they became better heard in Europe. Next step to drive them mad is to appoint an ambassador to the UN with good Russian or delegate the function to Vitaly Churkin who is already working for Serbia. There are only 6 official languages in the UN and Russian is one of them. Let the suckers speak English and buy Pampers for Hillary.

Here are:an obvious double standard, minimizing events being far more likely to be criticized , turning a blind eye to what is happening in EU member countries .The most pointed issues are that EU does not raise the question about violation of human rights of Serbs in Croatia, migrants being kicked and manhandled by the police on the Hungarian border. The only response is a poor and unconvincing release issued by the EU spokeswoman As for the death penalty abolition, US has not abolished it, either. The racism arising in US, as police shooting African Americans, is being sidestepped oversees. The only thing EU never rules out is mud-slinging aimed at Russia. As for SERBIA, EU obviously keeps stalling the negotiation.

Serbia should not be in EU. It will be disaster - just look at the EU countries around them and it should be enough to say NO. They will be dictated upon.

la Russia dovrebbe entrare nell' europa, l'europa dovrebbe armonizzare la sua politica tenendo conto dei paesi associati.
la Serbia è sempre stata un'alleato militare russo.
cerchiamo di integrare questa ricchezza

Then why is it that Serbia is crawling on its knees to become a member of the EU. Serbia is more uncomfortable than a whore in church, but she will endure all forms of humiliation just to reach the promised land.
(EU Citizen

It was a camouflage to mislead the enemy while the Serbian Promised Land has definite name - KIM …

Then why is it that Serbia is crawling on its knees to become a member of the EU. Serbia is more uncomfortable than a whore in church, but she will endure all forms of humiliation just to reach the promised land.
(EU Citizen

It was a camouflage to mislead the enemy while the Serbian Promised Land has definite name - KIM …
(rote, 28 October 2016 20:55)


rote,
It is truly sad that you can't read the English language properly, the promised land does indeed have a definite name, it's the EU.

Czech Republic, Hungary, Bulgaria, Poland and Romania only do as they are told.
(sj, 27 October 2016 11:12)

Told by whom? By Russia and China which, according to the CE of B92 forums sj, are the superpowers that control the world?!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 27 October 2016 14:56)

(icj1, 18 October 2016 16:16)
What has our resident albanian idiot been saying ad nauseam? “Since sj is the CE of B92 forums sj is always correct we must adhere to his/her teachings ………. “Only a brilliant economist like the CE of B92 forums …
Therefore, as icj has decalred sj to be brilliant then sj declares icj1 to be an albanian idiot. We now have irrefutable proof of icj1 confirming that whatever sj writes is the truth, the conclusive evidence is that even icj1 agrees with sj’s statement that he/she is an idiot.

(Dwight, 31 October 2016 10:05)

The only investments made by the EU are for its own benefit such as road systems for better transportation of goods across the European continent. The only form of “aid” relates to what is commonly known as bribe money to officials and politicians of that country to keep on singing from the same music sheet provided by Brussels about the joy and happiness of joining the EU
Occasionally, the EU will give/donate towards education, but these are not very common. The real investors are EU private companies and some buy investments while the majority so far have constructed from the ground up production facilities.
Your statement about buying houses and then renting stems from the soviet period. The Arabs buy farm land then pour much needed money to modernise production and use local labour in the production process otherwise that same land would lay unused. The Chinese have purchased a steel mill which employs about 4000 or 5000 people and their money will also modernise the plant.
The ideal investment strategy is investment from all sides not just one.
As far as Belgrade on Water is concerned, I think you will find out that all sides are taking a risk not just Serbia.
How much has been invested in Kosovo by their western partners so far? Nothing. How much has been invested in Croatia? Nothing.

My statement stands, EU investments, loans, grants and donations dwarf non-EU ones and are better quality and more beneficial to Serbia that the non-EU investments.

(Dwight, 31 October 2016 12:40)

The EU gives around 230 to 260 million Euros annually to Serbia, but when you divide that by the population its not enough to buy a cup of coffee for everyone. That “aid/grant” is bribe money for all the officials, politicians etc. I do not count loans, soft or otherwise, as aid.
The EU may donate a couple of ambulances or computers for schools but generally its all small stuff. If the spin on EU donations was put into actual practice Serbia would have refurbished all of its railway system, repaired and resealed all roads in Serbia and paid off a huge part of their national debt. Its more BS than reality.
Its not the EU that invests but private corporations. The EU has nothing to do with this type of investment.

If you are relying on newspapers for your information about Belgrade on the Water then good luck because I have seen plenty of them and most contradict one another as to details.
I know about the Hesteel Group. They are tough negotiators and I’m sure they would have been tough as nails during the negotiations for the steel plant, but they do not make promises they don’t intend to keep. It was Serbia that asked for loans from Beijing not the other way around.
The point is that Serbia would be very smart to open its doors to all investment not just from the EU.

The EU gives around 230 to 260 million Euros annually to Serbia, but when you divide that by the population its not enough to buy a cup of coffee for everyone.
(sj, 31 October 2016 13:21)

Woow, that means that a cup of coffee in Serbia costs around 30 Euros or more. No wonder hat with that level of priced Serbia can't properly feed its children. The CE of B92 forums sj should start to teach his/her brilliant economics to the Serbian government to bring such outrageous prices under control!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

(icj1, 18 October 2016 16:16)
What has our resident albanian idiot been saying ad nauseam? “Since sj is the CE of B92 forums sj is always correct we must adhere to his/her teachings ………. “Only a brilliant economist like the CE of B92 forums …
Therefore, as icj has decalred sj to be brilliant then sj declares icj1 to be an albanian idiot. We now have irrefutable proof of icj1 confirming that whatever sj writes is the truth, the conclusive evidence is that even icj1 agrees with sj’s statement that he/she is an idiot.

have to ask, and this is without giving an opinion on why other states are blocking the continuation of the opening of chapters, but why is Great Britain involved in this? They are leaving the EU, it seems quite odd that they are involved in stopping others from joining
(Nikolle, 27 October 2016 10:28)

Probably because British are lately not very constructive. For then it is not about the agenda.

The EU is going down the toilet just have a look at countries like Bulgaria, Romania, Greece, Spain and even Italy. There is no benefit for Serbia to join given the amount of investment by the Chinese, the Arabs and the Russians that is starting to happen. The Serbs should stay with what they know.

"There is no benefit for Serbia to join given the amount of investment by the Chinese, the Arabs and the Russians that is starting to happen.
(royals, 31 October 2016 02:30)

It is good that Serbia keeps good relations with all countries but the truth is that there is very little investment by the Russians, Arabs or Chinese compared to the huge amount invested by the EU, both in the past and in the near future.

2000-2015 ERDB investment = 4b euro, EIB loans = 4.5b euro, EU grants and donations = 2.6b euro

One of the key differences in EU aid compared to all other countries is that the majority of Chinese investments are actually loans.
For the Zemun bridge, the Chinese loaned the money to Serbia who used the money to pay a Chinese company to build the bridge.
This is a type of investment and the EU also does this, but the main benefit to the Chinese is to keep their economy moving.

The majority of Russian "investments" are actually purchases. When the Russian government buys a Serbia state company at half the market value it certainly is a good investment for the Russian state, I am not sure how Serbia benefits. If I bought your 50000euro house for 25000 and let you live in it while paying me 100/month rent, would you call it an investment?

I cant speak about all investments from Arabs but the recent Belgrade on Water project is the investment of a lifetime for the Arabs, if the project fails, Serbia pays..if the project is a success, the Arabs get rich

(sj, 31 October 2016 11:11)
1/2
"The only investments made by the EU are for its own benefit such as road systems for better transportation of goods across the European continent."
"Not true, but as a future EU member, Serbia benefits. However, that IS a perfect description of describing Chinese loans

"The real investors are EU private companies and some buy investments while the majority so far have constructed from the ground up production facilities"
Investments are a mix of public/private.

"Occasionally, the EU will give/donate towards education, but these are not very common"
This is not true. 291 million is the figure for Health/Education from EIB soft loans (7% of total)
In 2011 there was the Education for all program for helping poor children


"As far as Belgrade on Water is concerned, I think you will find out that all sides are taking a risk not just Serbia. "
The headlines said that Eagle Hills would invest 3billion. The small print says that for a 68% ownership they will invest 150 million and loan Serbia 250 million

"The Chinese have purchased a steel mill".
Best of luck to the plant, this is the exception that proves the rule as it is the first true investment by the Chinese, everything else has been loans.
They have promised another 300 million investemtn in the plant but I wonder how watertight that contract is. At the moment we have 46 million investment from the Chinese versus 4000 million from the EU

Czech Republic, Hungary, Bulgaria, Poland and Romania only do as they are told. They are second rate countries in the EU which are not on par with the likes of Germany.
The problem with the UK is they live in a delusional state. The UK politicians are selling this idea to the masses of a Great Britain, but in reality there is nothing great about it. If they had some level of common sense they would withdraw from this process since by February they will have to invoke Article 50.
It’s all part of the sales pitch of UK being great and a real mover and shaker in the scheme of things.

@icj

Because the EU isn't a country but an empire seeking to expand its influence, expand its reach and grow in size. But Chinese investment is coming pretty quickly these days. That will continue. Just don't expect anyone to have the grandiose expansionist ambitions that the EU has. But there are no "true friends" just ibterests. And it's in Serbia's interest to deepen ties with China and Russia.

Lets make something clear here, this is directed to the Euro-Union Trolls who have nothing better to do but insult Serbs and Serbia. Serbs don't want anything to do with the failed Euro-Union. Serbia needs to focus on its long tradition of non-alignment, and work to some degree with everyone who is willing to work with Serbia without threats or ultimatums. Just observe recently how many nations are starting to do the same and have their own independent foreign policy. Stay independent, the Euro will not contribute anything to Serbia she cannot get on her own by working with others such as Russia, China, Africa and the rest of the world.

I doubt Hungary is blocking Serbia as relations have never been better and Hungary itself is very close to Russia these days. More likely Croatia instead. If this is the end of the road for Serbia regarding EU membership, so be it. It wont help Serbia anyway and it's alot better to be a EU candidate instead of member. This way, Serbia can still get some more of these funds while doing whatever it wants i.e. defending it's sovereignty and developing ties with China and Russia.

Czech Republic, Hungary, Bulgaria, Poland and Romania only do as they are told.
(sj, 27 October 2016 11:12)

Told by whom? By Russia and China which, according to the CE of B92 forums sj, are the superpowers that control the world?!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Serbia can still get some more of these funds while doing whatever it wants i.e. defending it's sovereignty and developing ties with China and Russia.
(Ari Gold, 27 October 2016 14:19)

Why can't Serbia get these funds from Russia and China since we're told that Russia and China love Serbia and are Serbia's true friends?!!!

End of the road for Serbia towards the EU. It came very quickly.

As soon as Serbs started to speak with a Russian accent they became better heard in Europe. Next step to drive them mad is to appoint an ambassador to the UN with good Russian or delegate the function to Vitaly Churkin who is already working for Serbia. There are only 6 official languages in the UN and Russian is one of them. Let the suckers speak English and buy Pampers for Hillary.

I have to ask, and this is without giving an opinion on why other states are blocking the continuation of the opening of chapters, but why is Great Britain involved in this? They are leaving the EU, it seems quite odd that they are involved in stopping others from joining

It (the EU) wont help Serbia anyway and it's alot better to be a EU candidate instead of member. This way, Serbia can still get some more of these funds while doing whatever it wants i.e. defending it's sovereignty and developing ties with China and Russia.
(Ari Gold, 27 October 2016 14:19)

Then why is it that Serbia is crawling on its knees to become a member of the EU. Serbia is more uncomfortable than a whore in church, but she will endure all forms of humiliation just to reach the promised land.

Srbia will never ever be a member of EU !.

Arn.Sweden.

Then why is it that Serbia is crawling on its knees to become a member of the EU. Serbia is more uncomfortable than a whore in church, but she will endure all forms of humiliation just to reach the promised land.
(EU Citizen

It was a camouflage to mislead the enemy while the Serbian Promised Land has definite name - KIM …

Srbia will never ever be a member of EU !.

Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 27 October 2016 10:13)

Niiice.

Here are:an obvious double standard, minimizing events being far more likely to be criticized , turning a blind eye to what is happening in EU member countries .The most pointed issues are that EU does not raise the question about violation of human rights of Serbs in Croatia, migrants being kicked and manhandled by the police on the Hungarian border. The only response is a poor and unconvincing release issued by the EU spokeswoman As for the death penalty abolition, US has not abolished it, either. The racism arising in US, as police shooting African Americans, is being sidestepped oversees. The only thing EU never rules out is mud-slinging aimed at Russia. As for SERBIA, EU obviously keeps stalling the negotiation.

As many as one third of EU members are blocking the continuation of the procedures for the opening of Chapter 31 in Serbia's accession negotiations :)

(Dwight, 31 October 2016 12:40)

The EU gives around 230 to 260 million Euros annually to Serbia, but when you divide that by the population its not enough to buy a cup of coffee for everyone. That “aid/grant” is bribe money for all the officials, politicians etc. I do not count loans, soft or otherwise, as aid.
The EU may donate a couple of ambulances or computers for schools but generally its all small stuff. If the spin on EU donations was put into actual practice Serbia would have refurbished all of its railway system, repaired and resealed all roads in Serbia and paid off a huge part of their national debt. Its more BS than reality.
Its not the EU that invests but private corporations. The EU has nothing to do with this type of investment.

If you are relying on newspapers for your information about Belgrade on the Water then good luck because I have seen plenty of them and most contradict one another as to details.
I know about the Hesteel Group. They are tough negotiators and I’m sure they would have been tough as nails during the negotiations for the steel plant, but they do not make promises they don’t intend to keep. It was Serbia that asked for loans from Beijing not the other way around.
The point is that Serbia would be very smart to open its doors to all investment not just from the EU.

have to ask, and this is without giving an opinion on why other states are blocking the continuation of the opening of chapters, but why is Great Britain involved in this? They are leaving the EU, it seems quite odd that they are involved in stopping others from joining
(Nikolle, 27 October 2016 10:28)

Probably because British are lately not very constructive. For then it is not about the agenda.

Czech Republic, Hungary, Bulgaria, Poland and Romania only do as they are told.
(sj, 27 October 2016 11:12)

Told by whom? By Russia and China which, according to the CE of B92 forums sj, are the superpowers that control the world?!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 27 October 2016 14:56)

(icj1, 18 October 2016 16:16)
What has our resident albanian idiot been saying ad nauseam? “Since sj is the CE of B92 forums sj is always correct we must adhere to his/her teachings ………. “Only a brilliant economist like the CE of B92 forums …
Therefore, as icj has decalred sj to be brilliant then sj declares icj1 to be an albanian idiot. We now have irrefutable proof of icj1 confirming that whatever sj writes is the truth, the conclusive evidence is that even icj1 agrees with sj’s statement that he/she is an idiot.

"There is no benefit for Serbia to join given the amount of investment by the Chinese, the Arabs and the Russians that is starting to happen.
(royals, 31 October 2016 02:30)

It is good that Serbia keeps good relations with all countries but the truth is that there is very little investment by the Russians, Arabs or Chinese compared to the huge amount invested by the EU, both in the past and in the near future.

2000-2015 ERDB investment = 4b euro, EIB loans = 4.5b euro, EU grants and donations = 2.6b euro

One of the key differences in EU aid compared to all other countries is that the majority of Chinese investments are actually loans.
For the Zemun bridge, the Chinese loaned the money to Serbia who used the money to pay a Chinese company to build the bridge.
This is a type of investment and the EU also does this, but the main benefit to the Chinese is to keep their economy moving.

The majority of Russian "investments" are actually purchases. When the Russian government buys a Serbia state company at half the market value it certainly is a good investment for the Russian state, I am not sure how Serbia benefits. If I bought your 50000euro house for 25000 and let you live in it while paying me 100/month rent, would you call it an investment?

I cant speak about all investments from Arabs but the recent Belgrade on Water project is the investment of a lifetime for the Arabs, if the project fails, Serbia pays..if the project is a success, the Arabs get rich

(Dwight, 31 October 2016 10:05)

The only investments made by the EU are for its own benefit such as road systems for better transportation of goods across the European continent. The only form of “aid” relates to what is commonly known as bribe money to officials and politicians of that country to keep on singing from the same music sheet provided by Brussels about the joy and happiness of joining the EU
Occasionally, the EU will give/donate towards education, but these are not very common. The real investors are EU private companies and some buy investments while the majority so far have constructed from the ground up production facilities.
Your statement about buying houses and then renting stems from the soviet period. The Arabs buy farm land then pour much needed money to modernise production and use local labour in the production process otherwise that same land would lay unused. The Chinese have purchased a steel mill which employs about 4000 or 5000 people and their money will also modernise the plant.
The ideal investment strategy is investment from all sides not just one.
As far as Belgrade on Water is concerned, I think you will find out that all sides are taking a risk not just Serbia.
How much has been invested in Kosovo by their western partners so far? Nothing. How much has been invested in Croatia? Nothing.

(sj, 31 October 2016 11:11)
1/2
"The only investments made by the EU are for its own benefit such as road systems for better transportation of goods across the European continent."
"Not true, but as a future EU member, Serbia benefits. However, that IS a perfect description of describing Chinese loans

"The real investors are EU private companies and some buy investments while the majority so far have constructed from the ground up production facilities"
Investments are a mix of public/private.

"Occasionally, the EU will give/donate towards education, but these are not very common"
This is not true. 291 million is the figure for Health/Education from EIB soft loans (7% of total)
In 2011 there was the Education for all program for helping poor children


"As far as Belgrade on Water is concerned, I think you will find out that all sides are taking a risk not just Serbia. "
The headlines said that Eagle Hills would invest 3billion. The small print says that for a 68% ownership they will invest 150 million and loan Serbia 250 million

"The Chinese have purchased a steel mill".
Best of luck to the plant, this is the exception that proves the rule as it is the first true investment by the Chinese, everything else has been loans.
They have promised another 300 million investemtn in the plant but I wonder how watertight that contract is. At the moment we have 46 million investment from the Chinese versus 4000 million from the EU

(icj1, 18 October 2016 16:16)
What has our resident albanian idiot been saying ad nauseam? “Since sj is the CE of B92 forums sj is always correct we must adhere to his/her teachings ………. “Only a brilliant economist like the CE of B92 forums …
Therefore, as icj has decalred sj to be brilliant then sj declares icj1 to be an albanian idiot. We now have irrefutable proof of icj1 confirming that whatever sj writes is the truth, the conclusive evidence is that even icj1 agrees with sj’s statement that he/she is an idiot.

This is what happens when we base our politics on wishful thinking. A side has to be picked or else when those chairs move apart, we will be the first to fall.

la Russia dovrebbe entrare nell' europa, l'europa dovrebbe armonizzare la sua politica tenendo conto dei paesi associati.
la Serbia è sempre stata un'alleato militare russo.
cerchiamo di integrare questa ricchezza

Serbia should not be in EU. It will be disaster - just look at the EU countries around them and it should be enough to say NO. They will be dictated upon.

Then why is it that Serbia is crawling on its knees to become a member of the EU. Serbia is more uncomfortable than a whore in church, but she will endure all forms of humiliation just to reach the promised land.
(EU Citizen

It was a camouflage to mislead the enemy while the Serbian Promised Land has definite name - KIM …
(rote, 28 October 2016 20:55)


rote,
It is truly sad that you can't read the English language properly, the promised land does indeed have a definite name, it's the EU.

The EU is going down the toilet just have a look at countries like Bulgaria, Romania, Greece, Spain and even Italy. There is no benefit for Serbia to join given the amount of investment by the Chinese, the Arabs and the Russians that is starting to happen. The Serbs should stay with what they know.

My statement stands, EU investments, loans, grants and donations dwarf non-EU ones and are better quality and more beneficial to Serbia that the non-EU investments.

The EU gives around 230 to 260 million Euros annually to Serbia, but when you divide that by the population its not enough to buy a cup of coffee for everyone.
(sj, 31 October 2016 13:21)

Woow, that means that a cup of coffee in Serbia costs around 30 Euros or more. No wonder hat with that level of priced Serbia can't properly feed its children. The CE of B92 forums sj should start to teach his/her brilliant economics to the Serbian government to bring such outrageous prices under control!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist