....because physics taught in Serbia ....
(icj1, 27 August 2016 17:45)
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Good grief. icj1, the CB of B92, is now refering to the teaching of specific subjects. Ironic. icj1, the CB of 92 is a graduate of warped Mengele-based medical theory. icj1 associates an ethnic group with a neurological disorder. Unscholarly idiocy usually accompanies the daily drivel posted by our CB.
More displaced serb whining.....one of the architects of the ethnic cleansing of serbs in kosovo and krajina was welcomed by alexander vucic as a friend of serbia and his personal friend...joe biden.....serbia has no heart..no national integrity....serbs in serbia proper dont give a damn about serbs in kosovo.....alexander vucic. A bosnian...celebrates with milorad dodik in bosnia.....serbia is a lie......serbs are fake people.......real serbia died long ago......croatia and albania please take what you will......we serbs who actually fought for serbia will not resist......let the corpse of yugoslavia resist....let the montenegran.lican and bosnian fight.....my war ends now......never trust the fake state of serbia
Albanians are fakes and liars. Every 2nd Albanian looks like he could be straight from Kurdistan. Islamic names they take on I can understand but this Illyrian naming business is relatively new and done on purpose. Some even took on Serbian names.
Fact is that all peoples in the Balkans are genetically mixed due to the various empires and peoples that inhabited the space except for the Albanians, who have African and Asian DNA as the haplogroups most strongly associated with Albanian people are; E-V13 and J2b2; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Albanians#Genetic_studies
How quickly the rats run when confronted by facts. The Illyrian myth just goes out the window…here is a sample of how the Albos lie about everything from language to ethnicity;
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/austrian-scholars-leave-albania-lost-for-words/
show me just 1 albanian source from prior to the 19th century that claimed the illyrian ties to the albanians? you will find 0 cause are are none...the albanians only started to make this claim after they saw the serbs and croats do so in the "illyrian movement" - google it...the fact is that the word "albanian" was first mentioned in the balkans in the 12 century...over 700 years after the word Serb...so much for your ancient connections...
see above again as this is the moment albanians usually run away from these boards like rats that don't come back...
Fact - 0% Serbs in the Balkans in the 6th century. So when a Serb complains about others coming to the Balkans, that is the culmination of human idiocy. Hellooooo, you came to the Balkans, from Iran or the Urals or whatever boonies you decided to come from and made it to the Balkans.
This is not for you; you're too far gone from reality and have been drinking from that xenophobia cool aid for too long.
(J, 27 August 2016 05:19)
I guess it must be because physics taught in Serbia says that universe, space and time itself begun in the 6th century when Serbs appeared in the Balkans. Nothing existed before then lol
Nico there is a serbian church in Manhattan NY. Maybe they stole your land to. Not just Greece Albania, Romania, I think USA stole your land to. Those days when you can fabricate the history and say whatever you want are gone. Hold on to what you have , because you're going to lose that too
Prior to WWII Belgrade used The Harsh policy, the Army Forces, to "sweep up" Albanians.
After WWII it was used the "Soft" policy. This time no weapons, the tool was economy. When all parts of Yugoslavia were flourishing Kosovo remained almost as poor as prior to WWII. So that Albanians would leave Kosovo for a "better life" elsewhere.
By menace of Weapons or by menace of Economy the aim of these policies was the same as Miloshevic`s policy: Ethnical cleansing.
Dacic is a clown and a hypocite, no news here. But this is called boomerang.
Belgrade left Kosovo miserable so that Albanians would leave Kosovo... Serbs left Kosovo.
Belgrade sent the Army to "sweep up" 2 million Albanians from Kosovo...Serbs left Kosovo.
But Dacic and his fellows are so stupid that the follow the same policy: trying to block Kosovo internationally so that Kosovo would default.
The result is the same, less and less Serbs in Kosovo.
I'm not aware of any rampages of Albanians ...
(icj1, 26 August 2016 20:36)
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Of course not.
icj1, the CB of B92, is a disciple of Mengele-based thinking. Icj1 has associated neurological disorders with ethnicity. Bigoted discrimination and branding of ethnicities is a consistent theme of icj1's daily postings.
here is the demographic history of kosovo...(we can all see that the first time a significant presence of albos in kosovo starts in the late 1800s when they settle the area with their muslim turkish jihadi brothers); [link]
you talk about the year 600? 800? 1300? well here is a map from europe in 814; [link]
not a trace or mention of albanians...well only in today's Azerbaijan...
(gg, 26 August 2016 21:34)
You almost got it right. Your wikipedia link describes on one hand the serb immigration to the balkans in 600AD. Myth of always having been there debunked. Then it also describes that albanians have also been there when the Serb church was founded. Myth of 17th century albanians come from turkey debunked.
Your second link with the map is interesting because 800 AD serbia, 900AD no serbia. What happened?? The conclusion is easy maps are drawn by kingdomes who think they rule at that time and are merely estimations. It does not give conclusions about ethnicity.
Even censuses are not reliable. In 13th century the census was muslim vs. Christian. At that time albanians were overwhelmingly christian.
Now that we have established that albanians and serbs have lived in Kosovo for at least the same periode the question is: what lead to a dempgraphic shift?
This map is a fake as truly old maps look different besides there are no available maps earlier than 13 century. Word Europe was first used as geographic meaning in 18 century. Before that this part of the world was Asia. All continents as well as all alphabets started with letter “A” and I know why. Europe has no explanation other than politically and culturally different part of Asia. It appeared as sequence of the so called Renaissance when the Protestants split from the Great Horde in 16-17 centuries.
J : You mean Drug Lord and Mafia Boss Dacic.
It’s really amusing when Crocoatians blame Serbs of being Nazi and the Whites blame them of being drug lords.
Azir: Before the 6/7 Century there were zero Slav Serbs in the Balkans Shqiptare/Illyrian were there
How do you know that? Could you show us your special sources? Two years ago a big international group of genetics finished it work and one of their conclusions was that the cradle of the R1a happlogroup was Kosovo. They also said that Slavs with sister R1b happlogroup had split and came here southward through Iran an Turkey. As for the Whites I have no reliable sources but I think that you arrived here about 1485 when south and west of Europe was cleaned and inhabited by the Horde’s people. Feel free to ask why.
J : What we know for sure is that there were 0% Serbs in Kosova in the 600's.
What I know for sure is that you can know nothing for sure.
@gg
This map must be pretty reliable. Not only shows no Albanians or Vlachs or Romanians, it doesn't show even greeks (except a small portion in Euboia island. This proves that not only Kosovo is Serbia, but also Epirus, Macedonia, Central Greece and even Peloponesusis Serbia.
Should we hope for a recall for a recognition of Greece independence and return of these lands to Serbia.
It seems not only Albanians stole Serb lands, Greeks did it too.
Peloponesus je Srbija!
@azir
show me just 1 albanian source from prior to the 19th century that claimed the illyrian ties to the albanians? you will find 0 cause are are none...the albanians only started to make this claim after they saw the serbs and croats do so in the "illyrian movement" - google it...the fact is that the word "albanian" was first mentioned in the balkans in the 12 century...over 700 years after the word Serb...so much for your ancient connections...
Enkel, Brikena Genti - how many Serb kids are named after Illyrian royalty?
E enjte, e premte - How many Serbian weekdays are Illyrian Gods' names?
The Albani family established in Italy (after the death of Scanderbeg 1400's).
Fact - 0% Serbs in the Balkans in the 6th century. So when a Serb complains about others coming to the Balkans, that is the culmination of human idiocy. Hellooooo, you came to the Balkans, from Iran or the Urals or whatever boonies you decided to come from and made it to the Balkans.
This is not for you; you're too far gone from reality and have been drinking from that xenophobia cool aid for too long.
Before the 6/7 Century there were zero Slav Serbs in the Balkans....
Indigenous Shqiptare/Illyrian were there in Kosova,Albania then .....
during Serb Perpetrated Genocide,War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity....
And will be for all eternity.
Ethnic Cleansing Serbs started it all and continue to create instability and threaten peace...
here is the demographic history of kosovo...(we can all see that the first time a significant presence of albos in kosovo starts in the late 1800s when they settle the area with their muslim turkish jihadi brothers); https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Kosovo
you talk about the year 600? 800? 1300? well here is a map from europe in 814; http://www.emersonkent.com/map_archive/europe_charlemagne_814.htm
not a trace or mention of albanians...well only in today's Azerbaijan...
It was interesting watching Dacic at the UN and talking about where he was born in Kosovo/a. He talked about how there is a reduction in the number of serbs in Kosovo/a.
Dacic should volunteer and go back to his place of birth to live as a permanent resident instead of Belgrade. Now the question that should be asked is why did Dacic leave Kosovo/a?
Was it because of Economic reasons (as there are no jobs in Kosovo/a)?
And why did so many other serbs leave since 1981? (Economic reasons is usually the number one reason)
And the reason for the dwindling numbers is the fact that Albanians multiply like roaches while a serb woman might have 1 or 2 children at most (the ones in Kosovo/a are baby machines and get rewards for producing children by the PM).
One person pointed out that serbs left right after the war. And this is factually true as there is plenty of video footage showing all the serbs, roma, and albanians behind the army convoys heading back to serbia proper. That my friends is an EXODUS and not ethnic cleansing!
The ones that stayed have no issues and do well and they never took part in Milo's regime tactics. Good and honorable people have nothing to fear.
The New York Times, Monday, July 12, 1982
Exodus of Serbians Stirs Province in Yugoslavia
"Serbs .... have... been harassed by Albanians and have packed up and left the region.
"The [Albanian] nationalists have a two-point platform, ...first to establish what they call an ethnically clean Albanian republic and then the merger with Albania to form a greater Albania."
"Some 57,000 Serbs have left Kosovo in the last decade... The exodus of Serbs is admittedly one of the main problems... in Kosovo..."
(another, impartial observer, 26 August 2016 19:43)
The New York Times, Thursday, September 10, 1998
Albanian refugees pinned in as Serbs rampage
"Some 40,000 ethnic Albanian refugees spent a second day today caught between advancing Serbian police and army units that have burned villages during rampages across western Kosovo."
I'm not aware of any rampages of Albanians in Kosovo burning Serb villages in the decade prior to 1982 causing Serbs to flee. And let's not forget that we're told that Serbs are very heroic, so they must have been subjected to some very horrendous "harassment" to force them to flee the cradle of Serbdom from 1972 to 1982!
Do not know which dream world islamo-fascists live but that's plain obvious that the process of ethnic cleansing with the aim at creating of Albanian-nazi statelet has always been Serbia's Albanians modus operandi - it is only normal that Serbs hit back, pity , they were too soft ...just one example from 80-ies.
(another, impartial observer, 26 August 2016 19:43)
Normal to hit back any Albanian, even children, regardless of whether they ever did anything to anybody?! I think your comment perfectly explains why Serbia lost Kosovo... please keep providing more reasons. You are doing a great job :)
In the early 1300 Serbs had over 96% majority in Kosovo. Bye 1971 Serbs were only about 18% and bye 2011 they were only 1.5% . It took almost 700 years to go to 18% and only 40 years to go down to 1.5%.
Call it whatever you want,that is where it stands.
(steve, 26 August 2016 14:53)
The number for 1300's is total fabrication. What we know for sure is that there were 0% Serbs in Kosova in the 600's. Call that what whatever you want but that's where it stands. Serbs need to get it through their heads that their Apartheid system in Kosova will never work. You're small poor nation just like most of the Balkans. Your desire to rule over other people will result in the same disastrous ending you find yourself now and you found yourselves in the 90's. If you haven't learned this you're in for a horrible future.
Do not know which dream world islamo-fascists live but that's plain obvious that the process of ethnic cleansing with the aim at creating of Albanian-nazi statelet has always been Serbia's Albanians modus operandi - it is only normal that Serbs hit back, pity , they were too soft ...just one example from 80-ies.
The New York Times, Monday, July 12, 1982
Exodus of Serbians Stirs Province in Yugoslavia
"Serbs .... have... been harassed by Albanians and have packed up and left the region.
"The [Albanian] nationalists have a two-point platform, ...first to establish what they call an ethnically clean Albanian republic and then the merger with Albania to form a greater Albania."
"Some 57,000 Serbs have left Kosovo in the last decade... The exodus of Serbs is admittedly one of the main problems... in Kosovo..."
@observer
“Serbs acted like the Nazi's in Kosovo” and your evidence? Here is evidence that the Albanians in Kosovo were Nazis; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Skanderbeg
“With Milosevic that all changed, because he was obsessed like Hitler with creating a greater Serbia” really? Then why did even the Hague tribunal drop the “greater Serbia” accusation against Milosevic during his trial? How could he want to “create” a great Serbia when Kosovo was part of Serbia during his rule?
This just shows that the CIA back sound bites the Albanians and Bosnians have been using over the past 20 years are not working anymore for them. Especially since Milosevic was found to be innocent of any major charges in the Yugoslav wars; http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/01/the-exoneration-of-milosevic-the-ictys-surprise-ruling/
Even the UN found there was nothing close to a genocide of the Albanians in Kosovo (even the notorious anti Serbs at BBC had to admit); http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1530781.stm
The only genocide in Kosovo has been of its Serbs who have been systematically cleansed from the region since the late 1800s…anyone can google “the demographic history of Kosovo” and see that this was a long term genocide…
What if Vucic runs abroad and Dacic as first Vice PM takes the helm with Russia behind him? Will you same bold?
(rote, 26 August 2016 17:38)
The little pig will end up with an apple in his mouth and Putin will be served the first portion. However, you rote, will be lucky to get some stale black bread and rotting Borscht.
And albos got everything they asked for when they started planting bombs on the roads and abducting and murdering Serbians, Romani and even Albanians who were loyal to Serbia. You have only KLA to blame for your treatment.
(Nikola, 26 August 2016 15:10)
Serbia over a long time tried to rule over Kosovo even they never had a majority of the population in Kosovo. Ethnic cleansing was used numerous times, and serb masacres were something common. Serbs acted like the Nazi's in Kosovo. After Tito gave Kosovo autonomy things calmed down, and Serbs and Albaniens actually got along without major problems, and neighbors even became friends. With Milosevic that all changed, because he was obsessed like Hitler with creating a greater Serbia, and used anything, murder, rape, killing students, closing schools, universities, laying of people, anything to hurt Kosovo-Albaniens. His goal was to totaly eliminate all Albaniens from Kosovo, which you Nicola seem to have no problems with, well, you think that serbs had any right to just that. You started all this, and you expect that Kosovars act like lambs, and let you butcher them; that is exactly what Milosevic did!!! People like you are a lost cause, just like Neo-Nazi's, Trump or Putin supports.
History is written by the conquerors and liars…
Serbian government must become more diligent in their effort to expose the fabrication and propaganda of this war. Let the truth about the Nato and Kosovo Albanians be known…
I watched the whole UNSC meeting yesterday just like every UNSC meeting on Kosovo for the last few yrs. Point is, UNSC in concerne of Kosovo is useless since 2008. Kfor countries are retreating troops despite Res. 1244 because they are not willing to pay for an imaginary mission. Kfor troops are down from 50`000 in `99 to 14`000 in `08 and 4500 in `15.
In September 2012, international supervision of UNMIK ended, and Kosovo became responsible for its own governance. Now it has only a monitoring and assisting role without any executive power. Both UNMIK and EULEX work under Kosovo Constitution.
With many countries withdrawing funds and people from UNMIK, EULEX and KFOR it`s only a matter of time until all those missions cease to exist in reality. They`re role is already reduced to reporting. Even UNSC has reduced to reporting. The only decision they make is, meeting every 3month or 6months and continue UNMIK assisting role yes or no. Except of UN membership, UNSC and Res. 1244 have no effect anymore.
After all the atrocities committed by Serbs in Kosovo, including ethnic cleansing, barbaric killings, rapes, you name it, Serbs had to pack their bags and simply leave Kosovo after the war. What do you expect after such unparalleled brutal behavior? That Kosovars say, you are still welcome here?, we still love you? .... Serbia has never recognized what horrible things it did in Kosovo, even still denies it nowadays, and you want to be good neighbors? For as long as this has not been acknowledged, there won't be peace between Kosovo and Serbia. Serbia started the inhumane treatment of Kosovars under Milosevic and carried it on until it was bombed by Nato for 45 days. That was the only way to end this horrible serb war crime, just like the bombing of Germany ended WWII in Europe. You asked for all the things which came afterwards, and still don't get it.
(observer, 26 August 2016 14:08)
And albos got everything they asked for when they started planting bombs on the roads and abducting and murdering Serbians, Romani and even Albanians who were loyal to Serbia. You have only KLA to blame for your treatment.
"The basic definition of genocide, war crimes and ethnic cleansing is a destruction or expulsion of population."
That is Ivica's definition of genocide. The UNSC has a different definition of genocide that ignores Ivica's :)
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"Serbia's representatives are on record of stating, million upon million of times, that each and every crime should be punished; yet, history does not record a 'genocide' after which members of the people which allegedly committed a genocide are ten times less in number than before, while the number of the people against which the genocide has allegedly been committed is substantially higher than before."
Being "ten times less in number than before" does not prove anything in regards to genocide. If we go by Ivica's logic, since the number of Romans in Kosovo declined from being a majority to 0 whereas the number of Serbs increased from 0 to being the majority of the population, that must mean (always according to Ivica's logic) that Serbs committed genocide against the Romans.
Poor Ivica... did he rely on some contributor of the B92 forums for writing such an idiotic speech?!
You have only KLA to blame for your treatment.
(Nikola, 26 August 2016 15:10)
It's precisely that line of thinking that caused Serbia to loose Kosovo. If KLA violated the law and committed crimes, then Serbia's authorities should have treated as criminals those who committed crimes, instead of indiscriminately punishing the majority of the population.
Very terrible things are about to happen in the world, no mortal can stop what is about to begin! In Europe the Balkans surging with anger! The epic center of the Balkans is Serbia which is surrounded by evil! Serbia surrounded and where else can we turn but outwards! No one living today will recognize the world of tommarrow! The new era Nazi's in Europe have much hope and faith in the USA to support them but this also will end very soon. Boze Pravde!!!
In the early 1300 Serbs had over 96% majority in Kosovo. Bye 1971 Serbs were only about 18% and bye 2011 they were only 1.5% . It took almost 700 years to go to 18% and only 40 years to go down to 1.5%.
Call it whatever you want,that is where it stands.
So you are denying the fact that there are almost no Serbs in Kosovo today?
(Nikola, 26 August 2016 13:39) # Comment link
After all the atrocities committed by Serbs in Kosovo, including ethnic cleansing, barbaric killings, rapes, you name it, Serbs had to pack their bags and simply leave Kosovo after the war. What do you expect after such unparalleled brutal behavior? That Kosovars say, you are still welcome here?, we still love you? .... Serbia has never recognized what horrible things it did in Kosovo, even still denies it nowadays, and you want to be good neighbors? For as long as this has not been acknowledged, there won't be peace between Kosovo and Serbia. Serbia started the inhumane treatment of Kosovars under Milosevic and carried it on until it was bombed by Nato for 45 days. That was the only way to end this horrible serb war crime, just like the bombing of Germany ended WWII in Europe. You asked for all the things which came afterwards, and still don't get it.
Yeah yeah make up stories, make up numbers , try and see if anybody is buying your bolony senwich . Where was your goodwill in 1980s. All of a sudden you are a good neighbor, what happened to your army and police? Maybe you were counting them as a residence of Kosovo during the 80s and 90s
same old serb BS, and it just shows the entire world that the current serb regime has no intention to get along with its neighbors. It is still ignoring facts which were over and over verified by the ITCY that Serbia committed genocide, war crimes and ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. This can't and won't be undone by simply denying it, and trying to turn reality around to make it fit their sick believes. The entire world, except for dictatships like Putin Russia, knows it, and has not forgotten about it. Serbia won't succeed with this tactic, and will become more and more isolated. It already is an isolated state in the Balkans, and none of its neighbors wants to have anything to do with it. The present regime will make things worse, and they have to go before peace can prevail in gthe Balkans again.
same old serb BS, and it just shows the entire world that the current serb regime has no intention to get along with its neighbors. It is still ignoring facts which were over and over verified by the ITCY that Serbia committed genocide, war crimes and ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. This can't and won't be undone by simply denying it, and trying to turn reality around to make it fit their sick believes. The entire world, except for dictatships like Putin Russia, knows it, and has not forgotten about it. Serbia won't succeed with this tactic, and will become more and more isolated. It already is an isolated state in the Balkans, and none of its neighbors wants to have anything to do with it. The present regime will make things worse, and they have to go before peace can prevail in gthe Balkans again.
(observer, 26 August 2016 13:25)
So you are denying the fact that there are almost no Serbs in Kosovo today?
same old serb BS, and it just shows the entire world that the current serb regime has no intention to get along with its neighbors. It is still ignoring facts which were over and over verified by the ITCY that Serbia committed genocide, war crimes and ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. This can't and won't be undone by simply denying it, and trying to turn reality around to make it fit their sick believes. The entire world, except for dictatships like Putin Russia, knows it, and has not forgotten about it. Serbia won't succeed with this tactic, and will become more and more isolated. It already is an isolated state in the Balkans, and none of its neighbors wants to have anything to do with it. The present regime will make things worse, and they have to go before peace can prevail in gthe Balkans again.
(observer, 26 August 2016 13:25)
So you are denying the fact that there are almost no Serbs in Kosovo today?
In the early 1300 Serbs had over 96% majority in Kosovo. Bye 1971 Serbs were only about 18% and bye 2011 they were only 1.5% . It took almost 700 years to go to 18% and only 40 years to go down to 1.5%.
Call it whatever you want,that is where it stands.
Very terrible things are about to happen in the world, no mortal can stop what is about to begin! In Europe the Balkans surging with anger! The epic center of the Balkans is Serbia which is surrounded by evil! Serbia surrounded and where else can we turn but outwards! No one living today will recognize the world of tommarrow! The new era Nazi's in Europe have much hope and faith in the USA to support them but this also will end very soon. Boze Pravde!!!
After all the atrocities committed by Serbs in Kosovo, including ethnic cleansing, barbaric killings, rapes, you name it, Serbs had to pack their bags and simply leave Kosovo after the war. What do you expect after such unparalleled brutal behavior? That Kosovars say, you are still welcome here?, we still love you? .... Serbia has never recognized what horrible things it did in Kosovo, even still denies it nowadays, and you want to be good neighbors? For as long as this has not been acknowledged, there won't be peace between Kosovo and Serbia. Serbia started the inhumane treatment of Kosovars under Milosevic and carried it on until it was bombed by Nato for 45 days. That was the only way to end this horrible serb war crime, just like the bombing of Germany ended WWII in Europe. You asked for all the things which came afterwards, and still don't get it.
(observer, 26 August 2016 14:08)
And albos got everything they asked for when they started planting bombs on the roads and abducting and murdering Serbians, Romani and even Albanians who were loyal to Serbia. You have only KLA to blame for your treatment.
So you are denying the fact that there are almost no Serbs in Kosovo today?
(Nikola, 26 August 2016 13:39) # Comment link
After all the atrocities committed by Serbs in Kosovo, including ethnic cleansing, barbaric killings, rapes, you name it, Serbs had to pack their bags and simply leave Kosovo after the war. What do you expect after such unparalleled brutal behavior? That Kosovars say, you are still welcome here?, we still love you? .... Serbia has never recognized what horrible things it did in Kosovo, even still denies it nowadays, and you want to be good neighbors? For as long as this has not been acknowledged, there won't be peace between Kosovo and Serbia. Serbia started the inhumane treatment of Kosovars under Milosevic and carried it on until it was bombed by Nato for 45 days. That was the only way to end this horrible serb war crime, just like the bombing of Germany ended WWII in Europe. You asked for all the things which came afterwards, and still don't get it.
History is written by the conquerors and liars…
Serbian government must become more diligent in their effort to expose the fabrication and propaganda of this war. Let the truth about the Nato and Kosovo Albanians be known…
@observer
“Serbs acted like the Nazi's in Kosovo” and your evidence? Here is evidence that the Albanians in Kosovo were Nazis; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Skanderbeg
“With Milosevic that all changed, because he was obsessed like Hitler with creating a greater Serbia” really? Then why did even the Hague tribunal drop the “greater Serbia” accusation against Milosevic during his trial? How could he want to “create” a great Serbia when Kosovo was part of Serbia during his rule?
This just shows that the CIA back sound bites the Albanians and Bosnians have been using over the past 20 years are not working anymore for them. Especially since Milosevic was found to be innocent of any major charges in the Yugoslav wars; http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/01/the-exoneration-of-milosevic-the-ictys-surprise-ruling/
Even the UN found there was nothing close to a genocide of the Albanians in Kosovo (even the notorious anti Serbs at BBC had to admit); http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1530781.stm
The only genocide in Kosovo has been of its Serbs who have been systematically cleansed from the region since the late 1800s…anyone can google “the demographic history of Kosovo” and see that this was a long term genocide…
same old serb BS, and it just shows the entire world that the current serb regime has no intention to get along with its neighbors. It is still ignoring facts which were over and over verified by the ITCY that Serbia committed genocide, war crimes and ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. This can't and won't be undone by simply denying it, and trying to turn reality around to make it fit their sick believes. The entire world, except for dictatships like Putin Russia, knows it, and has not forgotten about it. Serbia won't succeed with this tactic, and will become more and more isolated. It already is an isolated state in the Balkans, and none of its neighbors wants to have anything to do with it. The present regime will make things worse, and they have to go before peace can prevail in gthe Balkans again.
Yeah yeah make up stories, make up numbers , try and see if anybody is buying your bolony senwich . Where was your goodwill in 1980s. All of a sudden you are a good neighbor, what happened to your army and police? Maybe you were counting them as a residence of Kosovo during the 80s and 90s
Do not know which dream world islamo-fascists live but that's plain obvious that the process of ethnic cleansing with the aim at creating of Albanian-nazi statelet has always been Serbia's Albanians modus operandi - it is only normal that Serbs hit back, pity , they were too soft ...just one example from 80-ies.
The New York Times, Monday, July 12, 1982
Exodus of Serbians Stirs Province in Yugoslavia
"Serbs .... have... been harassed by Albanians and have packed up and left the region.
"The [Albanian] nationalists have a two-point platform, ...first to establish what they call an ethnically clean Albanian republic and then the merger with Albania to form a greater Albania."
"Some 57,000 Serbs have left Kosovo in the last decade... The exodus of Serbs is admittedly one of the main problems... in Kosovo..."
here is the demographic history of kosovo...(we can all see that the first time a significant presence of albos in kosovo starts in the late 1800s when they settle the area with their muslim turkish jihadi brothers); https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Kosovo
you talk about the year 600? 800? 1300? well here is a map from europe in 814; http://www.emersonkent.com/map_archive/europe_charlemagne_814.htm
not a trace or mention of albanians...well only in today's Azerbaijan...
The New York Times, Monday, July 12, 1982
Exodus of Serbians Stirs Province in Yugoslavia
"Serbs .... have... been harassed by Albanians and have packed up and left the region.
"The [Albanian] nationalists have a two-point platform, ...first to establish what they call an ethnically clean Albanian republic and then the merger with Albania to form a greater Albania."
"Some 57,000 Serbs have left Kosovo in the last decade... The exodus of Serbs is admittedly one of the main problems... in Kosovo..."
(another, impartial observer, 26 August 2016 19:43)
The New York Times, Thursday, September 10, 1998
Albanian refugees pinned in as Serbs rampage
"Some 40,000 ethnic Albanian refugees spent a second day today caught between advancing Serbian police and army units that have burned villages during rampages across western Kosovo."
I'm not aware of any rampages of Albanians in Kosovo burning Serb villages in the decade prior to 1982 causing Serbs to flee. And let's not forget that we're told that Serbs are very heroic, so they must have been subjected to some very horrendous "harassment" to force them to flee the cradle of Serbdom from 1972 to 1982!
Albanians are fakes and liars. Every 2nd Albanian looks like he could be straight from Kurdistan. Islamic names they take on I can understand but this Illyrian naming business is relatively new and done on purpose. Some even took on Serbian names.
"The basic definition of genocide, war crimes and ethnic cleansing is a destruction or expulsion of population."
That is Ivica's definition of genocide. The UNSC has a different definition of genocide that ignores Ivica's :)
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"Serbia's representatives are on record of stating, million upon million of times, that each and every crime should be punished; yet, history does not record a 'genocide' after which members of the people which allegedly committed a genocide are ten times less in number than before, while the number of the people against which the genocide has allegedly been committed is substantially higher than before."
Being "ten times less in number than before" does not prove anything in regards to genocide. If we go by Ivica's logic, since the number of Romans in Kosovo declined from being a majority to 0 whereas the number of Serbs increased from 0 to being the majority of the population, that must mean (always according to Ivica's logic) that Serbs committed genocide against the Romans.
Poor Ivica... did he rely on some contributor of the B92 forums for writing such an idiotic speech?!
In the early 1300 Serbs had over 96% majority in Kosovo. Bye 1971 Serbs were only about 18% and bye 2011 they were only 1.5% . It took almost 700 years to go to 18% and only 40 years to go down to 1.5%.
Call it whatever you want,that is where it stands.
(steve, 26 August 2016 14:53)
The number for 1300's is total fabrication. What we know for sure is that there were 0% Serbs in Kosova in the 600's. Call that what whatever you want but that's where it stands. Serbs need to get it through their heads that their Apartheid system in Kosova will never work. You're small poor nation just like most of the Balkans. Your desire to rule over other people will result in the same disastrous ending you find yourself now and you found yourselves in the 90's. If you haven't learned this you're in for a horrible future.
Before the 6/7 Century there were zero Slav Serbs in the Balkans....
Indigenous Shqiptare/Illyrian were there in Kosova,Albania then .....
during Serb Perpetrated Genocide,War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity....
And will be for all eternity.
Ethnic Cleansing Serbs started it all and continue to create instability and threaten peace...
Fact - 0% Serbs in the Balkans in the 6th century. So when a Serb complains about others coming to the Balkans, that is the culmination of human idiocy. Hellooooo, you came to the Balkans, from Iran or the Urals or whatever boonies you decided to come from and made it to the Balkans.
This is not for you; you're too far gone from reality and have been drinking from that xenophobia cool aid for too long.
(J, 27 August 2016 05:19)
I guess it must be because physics taught in Serbia says that universe, space and time itself begun in the 6th century when Serbs appeared in the Balkans. Nothing existed before then lol
Fact is that all peoples in the Balkans are genetically mixed due to the various empires and peoples that inhabited the space except for the Albanians, who have African and Asian DNA as the haplogroups most strongly associated with Albanian people are; E-V13 and J2b2; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Albanians#Genetic_studies
How quickly the rats run when confronted by facts. The Illyrian myth just goes out the window…here is a sample of how the Albos lie about everything from language to ethnicity;
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/austrian-scholars-leave-albania-lost-for-words/
I watched the whole UNSC meeting yesterday just like every UNSC meeting on Kosovo for the last few yrs. Point is, UNSC in concerne of Kosovo is useless since 2008. Kfor countries are retreating troops despite Res. 1244 because they are not willing to pay for an imaginary mission. Kfor troops are down from 50`000 in `99 to 14`000 in `08 and 4500 in `15.
In September 2012, international supervision of UNMIK ended, and Kosovo became responsible for its own governance. Now it has only a monitoring and assisting role without any executive power. Both UNMIK and EULEX work under Kosovo Constitution.
With many countries withdrawing funds and people from UNMIK, EULEX and KFOR it`s only a matter of time until all those missions cease to exist in reality. They`re role is already reduced to reporting. Even UNSC has reduced to reporting. The only decision they make is, meeting every 3month or 6months and continue UNMIK assisting role yes or no. Except of UN membership, UNSC and Res. 1244 have no effect anymore.
You have only KLA to blame for your treatment.
(Nikola, 26 August 2016 15:10)
It's precisely that line of thinking that caused Serbia to loose Kosovo. If KLA violated the law and committed crimes, then Serbia's authorities should have treated as criminals those who committed crimes, instead of indiscriminately punishing the majority of the population.
here is the demographic history of kosovo...(we can all see that the first time a significant presence of albos in kosovo starts in the late 1800s when they settle the area with their muslim turkish jihadi brothers); [link]
you talk about the year 600? 800? 1300? well here is a map from europe in 814; [link]
not a trace or mention of albanians...well only in today's Azerbaijan...
(gg, 26 August 2016 21:34)
You almost got it right. Your wikipedia link describes on one hand the serb immigration to the balkans in 600AD. Myth of always having been there debunked. Then it also describes that albanians have also been there when the Serb church was founded. Myth of 17th century albanians come from turkey debunked.
Your second link with the map is interesting because 800 AD serbia, 900AD no serbia. What happened?? The conclusion is easy maps are drawn by kingdomes who think they rule at that time and are merely estimations. It does not give conclusions about ethnicity.
Even censuses are not reliable. In 13th century the census was muslim vs. Christian. At that time albanians were overwhelmingly christian.
Now that we have established that albanians and serbs have lived in Kosovo for at least the same periode the question is: what lead to a dempgraphic shift?
I'm not aware of any rampages of Albanians ...
(icj1, 26 August 2016 20:36)
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Of course not.
icj1, the CB of B92, is a disciple of Mengele-based thinking. Icj1 has associated neurological disorders with ethnicity. Bigoted discrimination and branding of ethnicities is a consistent theme of icj1's daily postings.
What if Vucic runs abroad and Dacic as first Vice PM takes the helm with Russia behind him? Will you same bold?
(rote, 26 August 2016 17:38)
The little pig will end up with an apple in his mouth and Putin will be served the first portion. However, you rote, will be lucky to get some stale black bread and rotting Borscht.
show me just 1 albanian source from prior to the 19th century that claimed the illyrian ties to the albanians? you will find 0 cause are are none...the albanians only started to make this claim after they saw the serbs and croats do so in the "illyrian movement" - google it...the fact is that the word "albanian" was first mentioned in the balkans in the 12 century...over 700 years after the word Serb...so much for your ancient connections...
see above again as this is the moment albanians usually run away from these boards like rats that don't come back...
Nico there is a serbian church in Manhattan NY. Maybe they stole your land to. Not just Greece Albania, Romania, I think USA stole your land to. Those days when you can fabricate the history and say whatever you want are gone. Hold on to what you have , because you're going to lose that too
And albos got everything they asked for when they started planting bombs on the roads and abducting and murdering Serbians, Romani and even Albanians who were loyal to Serbia. You have only KLA to blame for your treatment.
(Nikola, 26 August 2016 15:10)
Serbia over a long time tried to rule over Kosovo even they never had a majority of the population in Kosovo. Ethnic cleansing was used numerous times, and serb masacres were something common. Serbs acted like the Nazi's in Kosovo. After Tito gave Kosovo autonomy things calmed down, and Serbs and Albaniens actually got along without major problems, and neighbors even became friends. With Milosevic that all changed, because he was obsessed like Hitler with creating a greater Serbia, and used anything, murder, rape, killing students, closing schools, universities, laying of people, anything to hurt Kosovo-Albaniens. His goal was to totaly eliminate all Albaniens from Kosovo, which you Nicola seem to have no problems with, well, you think that serbs had any right to just that. You started all this, and you expect that Kosovars act like lambs, and let you butcher them; that is exactly what Milosevic did!!! People like you are a lost cause, just like Neo-Nazi's, Trump or Putin supports.
Prior to WWII Belgrade used The Harsh policy, the Army Forces, to "sweep up" Albanians.
After WWII it was used the "Soft" policy. This time no weapons, the tool was economy. When all parts of Yugoslavia were flourishing Kosovo remained almost as poor as prior to WWII. So that Albanians would leave Kosovo for a "better life" elsewhere.
By menace of Weapons or by menace of Economy the aim of these policies was the same as Miloshevic`s policy: Ethnical cleansing.
Dacic is a clown and a hypocite, no news here. But this is called boomerang.
Belgrade left Kosovo miserable so that Albanians would leave Kosovo... Serbs left Kosovo.
Belgrade sent the Army to "sweep up" 2 million Albanians from Kosovo...Serbs left Kosovo.
But Dacic and his fellows are so stupid that the follow the same policy: trying to block Kosovo internationally so that Kosovo would default.
The result is the same, less and less Serbs in Kosovo.
@azir
show me just 1 albanian source from prior to the 19th century that claimed the illyrian ties to the albanians? you will find 0 cause are are none...the albanians only started to make this claim after they saw the serbs and croats do so in the "illyrian movement" - google it...the fact is that the word "albanian" was first mentioned in the balkans in the 12 century...over 700 years after the word Serb...so much for your ancient connections...
It was interesting watching Dacic at the UN and talking about where he was born in Kosovo/a. He talked about how there is a reduction in the number of serbs in Kosovo/a.
Dacic should volunteer and go back to his place of birth to live as a permanent resident instead of Belgrade. Now the question that should be asked is why did Dacic leave Kosovo/a?
Was it because of Economic reasons (as there are no jobs in Kosovo/a)?
And why did so many other serbs leave since 1981? (Economic reasons is usually the number one reason)
And the reason for the dwindling numbers is the fact that Albanians multiply like roaches while a serb woman might have 1 or 2 children at most (the ones in Kosovo/a are baby machines and get rewards for producing children by the PM).
One person pointed out that serbs left right after the war. And this is factually true as there is plenty of video footage showing all the serbs, roma, and albanians behind the army convoys heading back to serbia proper. That my friends is an EXODUS and not ethnic cleansing!
The ones that stayed have no issues and do well and they never took part in Milo's regime tactics. Good and honorable people have nothing to fear.
Enkel, Brikena Genti - how many Serb kids are named after Illyrian royalty?
E enjte, e premte - How many Serbian weekdays are Illyrian Gods' names?
The Albani family established in Italy (after the death of Scanderbeg 1400's).
Fact - 0% Serbs in the Balkans in the 6th century. So when a Serb complains about others coming to the Balkans, that is the culmination of human idiocy. Hellooooo, you came to the Balkans, from Iran or the Urals or whatever boonies you decided to come from and made it to the Balkans.
This is not for you; you're too far gone from reality and have been drinking from that xenophobia cool aid for too long.
@gg
This map must be pretty reliable. Not only shows no Albanians or Vlachs or Romanians, it doesn't show even greeks (except a small portion in Euboia island. This proves that not only Kosovo is Serbia, but also Epirus, Macedonia, Central Greece and even Peloponesusis Serbia.
Should we hope for a recall for a recognition of Greece independence and return of these lands to Serbia.
It seems not only Albanians stole Serb lands, Greeks did it too.
Peloponesus je Srbija!
....because physics taught in Serbia ....
(icj1, 27 August 2016 17:45)
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Good grief. icj1, the CB of B92, is now refering to the teaching of specific subjects. Ironic. icj1, the CB of 92 is a graduate of warped Mengele-based medical theory. icj1 associates an ethnic group with a neurological disorder. Unscholarly idiocy usually accompanies the daily drivel posted by our CB.
Do not know which dream world islamo-fascists live but that's plain obvious that the process of ethnic cleansing with the aim at creating of Albanian-nazi statelet has always been Serbia's Albanians modus operandi - it is only normal that Serbs hit back, pity , they were too soft ...just one example from 80-ies.
(another, impartial observer, 26 August 2016 19:43)
Normal to hit back any Albanian, even children, regardless of whether they ever did anything to anybody?! I think your comment perfectly explains why Serbia lost Kosovo... please keep providing more reasons. You are doing a great job :)
This map is a fake as truly old maps look different besides there are no available maps earlier than 13 century. Word Europe was first used as geographic meaning in 18 century. Before that this part of the world was Asia. All continents as well as all alphabets started with letter “A” and I know why. Europe has no explanation other than politically and culturally different part of Asia. It appeared as sequence of the so called Renaissance when the Protestants split from the Great Horde in 16-17 centuries.
J : You mean Drug Lord and Mafia Boss Dacic.
It’s really amusing when Crocoatians blame Serbs of being Nazi and the Whites blame them of being drug lords.
Azir: Before the 6/7 Century there were zero Slav Serbs in the Balkans Shqiptare/Illyrian were there
How do you know that? Could you show us your special sources? Two years ago a big international group of genetics finished it work and one of their conclusions was that the cradle of the R1a happlogroup was Kosovo. They also said that Slavs with sister R1b happlogroup had split and came here southward through Iran an Turkey. As for the Whites I have no reliable sources but I think that you arrived here about 1485 when south and west of Europe was cleaned and inhabited by the Horde’s people. Feel free to ask why.
J : What we know for sure is that there were 0% Serbs in Kosova in the 600's.
What I know for sure is that you can know nothing for sure.
More displaced serb whining.....one of the architects of the ethnic cleansing of serbs in kosovo and krajina was welcomed by alexander vucic as a friend of serbia and his personal friend...joe biden.....serbia has no heart..no national integrity....serbs in serbia proper dont give a damn about serbs in kosovo.....alexander vucic. A bosnian...celebrates with milorad dodik in bosnia.....serbia is a lie......serbs are fake people.......real serbia died long ago......croatia and albania please take what you will......we serbs who actually fought for serbia will not resist......let the corpse of yugoslavia resist....let the montenegran.lican and bosnian fight.....my war ends now......never trust the fake state of serbia
same old serb BS, and it just shows the entire world that the current serb regime has no intention to get along with its neighbors. It is still ignoring facts which were over and over verified by the ITCY that Serbia committed genocide, war crimes and ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. This can't and won't be undone by simply denying it, and trying to turn reality around to make it fit their sick believes. The entire world, except for dictatships like Putin Russia, knows it, and has not forgotten about it. Serbia won't succeed with this tactic, and will become more and more isolated. It already is an isolated state in the Balkans, and none of its neighbors wants to have anything to do with it. The present regime will make things worse, and they have to go before peace can prevail in gthe Balkans again.
So you are denying the fact that there are almost no Serbs in Kosovo today?
(Nikola, 26 August 2016 13:39) # Comment link
After all the atrocities committed by Serbs in Kosovo, including ethnic cleansing, barbaric killings, rapes, you name it, Serbs had to pack their bags and simply leave Kosovo after the war. What do you expect after such unparalleled brutal behavior? That Kosovars say, you are still welcome here?, we still love you? .... Serbia has never recognized what horrible things it did in Kosovo, even still denies it nowadays, and you want to be good neighbors? For as long as this has not been acknowledged, there won't be peace between Kosovo and Serbia. Serbia started the inhumane treatment of Kosovars under Milosevic and carried it on until it was bombed by Nato for 45 days. That was the only way to end this horrible serb war crime, just like the bombing of Germany ended WWII in Europe. You asked for all the things which came afterwards, and still don't get it.
Yeah yeah make up stories, make up numbers , try and see if anybody is buying your bolony senwich . Where was your goodwill in 1980s. All of a sudden you are a good neighbor, what happened to your army and police? Maybe you were counting them as a residence of Kosovo during the 80s and 90s
You have only KLA to blame for your treatment.
(Nikola, 26 August 2016 15:10)
It's precisely that line of thinking that caused Serbia to loose Kosovo. If KLA violated the law and committed crimes, then Serbia's authorities should have treated as criminals those who committed crimes, instead of indiscriminately punishing the majority of the population.
Before the 6/7 Century there were zero Slav Serbs in the Balkans....
Indigenous Shqiptare/Illyrian were there in Kosova,Albania then .....
during Serb Perpetrated Genocide,War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity....
And will be for all eternity.
Ethnic Cleansing Serbs started it all and continue to create instability and threaten peace...
And albos got everything they asked for when they started planting bombs on the roads and abducting and murdering Serbians, Romani and even Albanians who were loyal to Serbia. You have only KLA to blame for your treatment.
(Nikola, 26 August 2016 15:10)
Serbia over a long time tried to rule over Kosovo even they never had a majority of the population in Kosovo. Ethnic cleansing was used numerous times, and serb masacres were something common. Serbs acted like the Nazi's in Kosovo. After Tito gave Kosovo autonomy things calmed down, and Serbs and Albaniens actually got along without major problems, and neighbors even became friends. With Milosevic that all changed, because he was obsessed like Hitler with creating a greater Serbia, and used anything, murder, rape, killing students, closing schools, universities, laying of people, anything to hurt Kosovo-Albaniens. His goal was to totaly eliminate all Albaniens from Kosovo, which you Nicola seem to have no problems with, well, you think that serbs had any right to just that. You started all this, and you expect that Kosovars act like lambs, and let you butcher them; that is exactly what Milosevic did!!! People like you are a lost cause, just like Neo-Nazi's, Trump or Putin supports.
What if Vucic runs abroad and Dacic as first Vice PM takes the helm with Russia behind him? Will you same bold?
(rote, 26 August 2016 17:38)
The little pig will end up with an apple in his mouth and Putin will be served the first portion. However, you rote, will be lucky to get some stale black bread and rotting Borscht.
In the early 1300 Serbs had over 96% majority in Kosovo. Bye 1971 Serbs were only about 18% and bye 2011 they were only 1.5% . It took almost 700 years to go to 18% and only 40 years to go down to 1.5%.
Call it whatever you want,that is where it stands.
(steve, 26 August 2016 14:53)
The number for 1300's is total fabrication. What we know for sure is that there were 0% Serbs in Kosova in the 600's. Call that what whatever you want but that's where it stands. Serbs need to get it through their heads that their Apartheid system in Kosova will never work. You're small poor nation just like most of the Balkans. Your desire to rule over other people will result in the same disastrous ending you find yourself now and you found yourselves in the 90's. If you haven't learned this you're in for a horrible future.
Very terrible things are about to happen in the world, no mortal can stop what is about to begin! In Europe the Balkans surging with anger! The epic center of the Balkans is Serbia which is surrounded by evil! Serbia surrounded and where else can we turn but outwards! No one living today will recognize the world of tommarrow! The new era Nazi's in Europe have much hope and faith in the USA to support them but this also will end very soon. Boze Pravde!!!
"The basic definition of genocide, war crimes and ethnic cleansing is a destruction or expulsion of population."
That is Ivica's definition of genocide. The UNSC has a different definition of genocide that ignores Ivica's :)
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"Serbia's representatives are on record of stating, million upon million of times, that each and every crime should be punished; yet, history does not record a 'genocide' after which members of the people which allegedly committed a genocide are ten times less in number than before, while the number of the people against which the genocide has allegedly been committed is substantially higher than before."
Being "ten times less in number than before" does not prove anything in regards to genocide. If we go by Ivica's logic, since the number of Romans in Kosovo declined from being a majority to 0 whereas the number of Serbs increased from 0 to being the majority of the population, that must mean (always according to Ivica's logic) that Serbs committed genocide against the Romans.
Poor Ivica... did he rely on some contributor of the B92 forums for writing such an idiotic speech?!
Do not know which dream world islamo-fascists live but that's plain obvious that the process of ethnic cleansing with the aim at creating of Albanian-nazi statelet has always been Serbia's Albanians modus operandi - it is only normal that Serbs hit back, pity , they were too soft ...just one example from 80-ies.
(another, impartial observer, 26 August 2016 19:43)
Normal to hit back any Albanian, even children, regardless of whether they ever did anything to anybody?! I think your comment perfectly explains why Serbia lost Kosovo... please keep providing more reasons. You are doing a great job :)
It was interesting watching Dacic at the UN and talking about where he was born in Kosovo/a. He talked about how there is a reduction in the number of serbs in Kosovo/a.
Dacic should volunteer and go back to his place of birth to live as a permanent resident instead of Belgrade. Now the question that should be asked is why did Dacic leave Kosovo/a?
Was it because of Economic reasons (as there are no jobs in Kosovo/a)?
And why did so many other serbs leave since 1981? (Economic reasons is usually the number one reason)
And the reason for the dwindling numbers is the fact that Albanians multiply like roaches while a serb woman might have 1 or 2 children at most (the ones in Kosovo/a are baby machines and get rewards for producing children by the PM).
One person pointed out that serbs left right after the war. And this is factually true as there is plenty of video footage showing all the serbs, roma, and albanians behind the army convoys heading back to serbia proper. That my friends is an EXODUS and not ethnic cleansing!
The ones that stayed have no issues and do well and they never took part in Milo's regime tactics. Good and honorable people have nothing to fear.
More displaced serb whining.....one of the architects of the ethnic cleansing of serbs in kosovo and krajina was welcomed by alexander vucic as a friend of serbia and his personal friend...joe biden.....serbia has no heart..no national integrity....serbs in serbia proper dont give a damn about serbs in kosovo.....alexander vucic. A bosnian...celebrates with milorad dodik in bosnia.....serbia is a lie......serbs are fake people.......real serbia died long ago......croatia and albania please take what you will......we serbs who actually fought for serbia will not resist......let the corpse of yugoslavia resist....let the montenegran.lican and bosnian fight.....my war ends now......never trust the fake state of serbia
same old serb BS, and it just shows the entire world that the current serb regime has no intention to get along with its neighbors. It is still ignoring facts which were over and over verified by the ITCY that Serbia committed genocide, war crimes and ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. This can't and won't be undone by simply denying it, and trying to turn reality around to make it fit their sick believes. The entire world, except for dictatships like Putin Russia, knows it, and has not forgotten about it. Serbia won't succeed with this tactic, and will become more and more isolated. It already is an isolated state in the Balkans, and none of its neighbors wants to have anything to do with it. The present regime will make things worse, and they have to go before peace can prevail in gthe Balkans again.
(observer, 26 August 2016 13:25)
So you are denying the fact that there are almost no Serbs in Kosovo today?
After all the atrocities committed by Serbs in Kosovo, including ethnic cleansing, barbaric killings, rapes, you name it, Serbs had to pack their bags and simply leave Kosovo after the war. What do you expect after such unparalleled brutal behavior? That Kosovars say, you are still welcome here?, we still love you? .... Serbia has never recognized what horrible things it did in Kosovo, even still denies it nowadays, and you want to be good neighbors? For as long as this has not been acknowledged, there won't be peace between Kosovo and Serbia. Serbia started the inhumane treatment of Kosovars under Milosevic and carried it on until it was bombed by Nato for 45 days. That was the only way to end this horrible serb war crime, just like the bombing of Germany ended WWII in Europe. You asked for all the things which came afterwards, and still don't get it.
(observer, 26 August 2016 14:08)
And albos got everything they asked for when they started planting bombs on the roads and abducting and murdering Serbians, Romani and even Albanians who were loyal to Serbia. You have only KLA to blame for your treatment.
Fact is that all peoples in the Balkans are genetically mixed due to the various empires and peoples that inhabited the space except for the Albanians, who have African and Asian DNA as the haplogroups most strongly associated with Albanian people are; E-V13 and J2b2; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Albanians#Genetic_studies
How quickly the rats run when confronted by facts. The Illyrian myth just goes out the window…here is a sample of how the Albos lie about everything from language to ethnicity;
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/austrian-scholars-leave-albania-lost-for-words/
I watched the whole UNSC meeting yesterday just like every UNSC meeting on Kosovo for the last few yrs. Point is, UNSC in concerne of Kosovo is useless since 2008. Kfor countries are retreating troops despite Res. 1244 because they are not willing to pay for an imaginary mission. Kfor troops are down from 50`000 in `99 to 14`000 in `08 and 4500 in `15.
In September 2012, international supervision of UNMIK ended, and Kosovo became responsible for its own governance. Now it has only a monitoring and assisting role without any executive power. Both UNMIK and EULEX work under Kosovo Constitution.
With many countries withdrawing funds and people from UNMIK, EULEX and KFOR it`s only a matter of time until all those missions cease to exist in reality. They`re role is already reduced to reporting. Even UNSC has reduced to reporting. The only decision they make is, meeting every 3month or 6months and continue UNMIK assisting role yes or no. Except of UN membership, UNSC and Res. 1244 have no effect anymore.
The New York Times, Monday, July 12, 1982
Exodus of Serbians Stirs Province in Yugoslavia
"Serbs .... have... been harassed by Albanians and have packed up and left the region.
"The [Albanian] nationalists have a two-point platform, ...first to establish what they call an ethnically clean Albanian republic and then the merger with Albania to form a greater Albania."
"Some 57,000 Serbs have left Kosovo in the last decade... The exodus of Serbs is admittedly one of the main problems... in Kosovo..."
(another, impartial observer, 26 August 2016 19:43)
The New York Times, Thursday, September 10, 1998
Albanian refugees pinned in as Serbs rampage
"Some 40,000 ethnic Albanian refugees spent a second day today caught between advancing Serbian police and army units that have burned villages during rampages across western Kosovo."
I'm not aware of any rampages of Albanians in Kosovo burning Serb villages in the decade prior to 1982 causing Serbs to flee. And let's not forget that we're told that Serbs are very heroic, so they must have been subjected to some very horrendous "harassment" to force them to flee the cradle of Serbdom from 1972 to 1982!
show me just 1 albanian source from prior to the 19th century that claimed the illyrian ties to the albanians? you will find 0 cause are are none...the albanians only started to make this claim after they saw the serbs and croats do so in the "illyrian movement" - google it...the fact is that the word "albanian" was first mentioned in the balkans in the 12 century...over 700 years after the word Serb...so much for your ancient connections...
see above again as this is the moment albanians usually run away from these boards like rats that don't come back...
History is written by the conquerors and liars…
Serbian government must become more diligent in their effort to expose the fabrication and propaganda of this war. Let the truth about the Nato and Kosovo Albanians be known…
here is the demographic history of kosovo...(we can all see that the first time a significant presence of albos in kosovo starts in the late 1800s when they settle the area with their muslim turkish jihadi brothers); https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Kosovo
you talk about the year 600? 800? 1300? well here is a map from europe in 814; http://www.emersonkent.com/map_archive/europe_charlemagne_814.htm
not a trace or mention of albanians...well only in today's Azerbaijan...
This map is a fake as truly old maps look different besides there are no available maps earlier than 13 century. Word Europe was first used as geographic meaning in 18 century. Before that this part of the world was Asia. All continents as well as all alphabets started with letter “A” and I know why. Europe has no explanation other than politically and culturally different part of Asia. It appeared as sequence of the so called Renaissance when the Protestants split from the Great Horde in 16-17 centuries.
J : You mean Drug Lord and Mafia Boss Dacic.
It’s really amusing when Crocoatians blame Serbs of being Nazi and the Whites blame them of being drug lords.
Azir: Before the 6/7 Century there were zero Slav Serbs in the Balkans Shqiptare/Illyrian were there
How do you know that? Could you show us your special sources? Two years ago a big international group of genetics finished it work and one of their conclusions was that the cradle of the R1a happlogroup was Kosovo. They also said that Slavs with sister R1b happlogroup had split and came here southward through Iran an Turkey. As for the Whites I have no reliable sources but I think that you arrived here about 1485 when south and west of Europe was cleaned and inhabited by the Horde’s people. Feel free to ask why.
J : What we know for sure is that there were 0% Serbs in Kosova in the 600's.
What I know for sure is that you can know nothing for sure.
@observer
“Serbs acted like the Nazi's in Kosovo” and your evidence? Here is evidence that the Albanians in Kosovo were Nazis; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Skanderbeg
“With Milosevic that all changed, because he was obsessed like Hitler with creating a greater Serbia” really? Then why did even the Hague tribunal drop the “greater Serbia” accusation against Milosevic during his trial? How could he want to “create” a great Serbia when Kosovo was part of Serbia during his rule?
This just shows that the CIA back sound bites the Albanians and Bosnians have been using over the past 20 years are not working anymore for them. Especially since Milosevic was found to be innocent of any major charges in the Yugoslav wars; http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/01/the-exoneration-of-milosevic-the-ictys-surprise-ruling/
Even the UN found there was nothing close to a genocide of the Albanians in Kosovo (even the notorious anti Serbs at BBC had to admit); http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1530781.stm
The only genocide in Kosovo has been of its Serbs who have been systematically cleansed from the region since the late 1800s…anyone can google “the demographic history of Kosovo” and see that this was a long term genocide…
I'm not aware of any rampages of Albanians ...
(icj1, 26 August 2016 20:36)
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Of course not.
icj1, the CB of B92, is a disciple of Mengele-based thinking. Icj1 has associated neurological disorders with ethnicity. Bigoted discrimination and branding of ethnicities is a consistent theme of icj1's daily postings.
Prior to WWII Belgrade used The Harsh policy, the Army Forces, to "sweep up" Albanians.
After WWII it was used the "Soft" policy. This time no weapons, the tool was economy. When all parts of Yugoslavia were flourishing Kosovo remained almost as poor as prior to WWII. So that Albanians would leave Kosovo for a "better life" elsewhere.
By menace of Weapons or by menace of Economy the aim of these policies was the same as Miloshevic`s policy: Ethnical cleansing.
Dacic is a clown and a hypocite, no news here. But this is called boomerang.
Belgrade left Kosovo miserable so that Albanians would leave Kosovo... Serbs left Kosovo.
Belgrade sent the Army to "sweep up" 2 million Albanians from Kosovo...Serbs left Kosovo.
But Dacic and his fellows are so stupid that the follow the same policy: trying to block Kosovo internationally so that Kosovo would default.
The result is the same, less and less Serbs in Kosovo.
Albanians are fakes and liars. Every 2nd Albanian looks like he could be straight from Kurdistan. Islamic names they take on I can understand but this Illyrian naming business is relatively new and done on purpose. Some even took on Serbian names.
Fact - 0% Serbs in the Balkans in the 6th century. So when a Serb complains about others coming to the Balkans, that is the culmination of human idiocy. Hellooooo, you came to the Balkans, from Iran or the Urals or whatever boonies you decided to come from and made it to the Balkans.
This is not for you; you're too far gone from reality and have been drinking from that xenophobia cool aid for too long.
(J, 27 August 2016 05:19)
I guess it must be because physics taught in Serbia says that universe, space and time itself begun in the 6th century when Serbs appeared in the Balkans. Nothing existed before then lol
Nico there is a serbian church in Manhattan NY. Maybe they stole your land to. Not just Greece Albania, Romania, I think USA stole your land to. Those days when you can fabricate the history and say whatever you want are gone. Hold on to what you have , because you're going to lose that too
Do not know which dream world islamo-fascists live but that's plain obvious that the process of ethnic cleansing with the aim at creating of Albanian-nazi statelet has always been Serbia's Albanians modus operandi - it is only normal that Serbs hit back, pity , they were too soft ...just one example from 80-ies.
The New York Times, Monday, July 12, 1982
Exodus of Serbians Stirs Province in Yugoslavia
"Serbs .... have... been harassed by Albanians and have packed up and left the region.
"The [Albanian] nationalists have a two-point platform, ...first to establish what they call an ethnically clean Albanian republic and then the merger with Albania to form a greater Albania."
"Some 57,000 Serbs have left Kosovo in the last decade... The exodus of Serbs is admittedly one of the main problems... in Kosovo..."
here is the demographic history of kosovo...(we can all see that the first time a significant presence of albos in kosovo starts in the late 1800s when they settle the area with their muslim turkish jihadi brothers); [link]
you talk about the year 600? 800? 1300? well here is a map from europe in 814; [link]
not a trace or mention of albanians...well only in today's Azerbaijan...
(gg, 26 August 2016 21:34)
You almost got it right. Your wikipedia link describes on one hand the serb immigration to the balkans in 600AD. Myth of always having been there debunked. Then it also describes that albanians have also been there when the Serb church was founded. Myth of 17th century albanians come from turkey debunked.
Your second link with the map is interesting because 800 AD serbia, 900AD no serbia. What happened?? The conclusion is easy maps are drawn by kingdomes who think they rule at that time and are merely estimations. It does not give conclusions about ethnicity.
Even censuses are not reliable. In 13th century the census was muslim vs. Christian. At that time albanians were overwhelmingly christian.
Now that we have established that albanians and serbs have lived in Kosovo for at least the same periode the question is: what lead to a dempgraphic shift?
In the early 1300 Serbs had over 96% majority in Kosovo. Bye 1971 Serbs were only about 18% and bye 2011 they were only 1.5% . It took almost 700 years to go to 18% and only 40 years to go down to 1.5%.
Call it whatever you want,that is where it stands.
@gg
This map must be pretty reliable. Not only shows no Albanians or Vlachs or Romanians, it doesn't show even greeks (except a small portion in Euboia island. This proves that not only Kosovo is Serbia, but also Epirus, Macedonia, Central Greece and even Peloponesusis Serbia.
Should we hope for a recall for a recognition of Greece independence and return of these lands to Serbia.
It seems not only Albanians stole Serb lands, Greeks did it too.
Peloponesus je Srbija!
@azir
show me just 1 albanian source from prior to the 19th century that claimed the illyrian ties to the albanians? you will find 0 cause are are none...the albanians only started to make this claim after they saw the serbs and croats do so in the "illyrian movement" - google it...the fact is that the word "albanian" was first mentioned in the balkans in the 12 century...over 700 years after the word Serb...so much for your ancient connections...
Enkel, Brikena Genti - how many Serb kids are named after Illyrian royalty?
E enjte, e premte - How many Serbian weekdays are Illyrian Gods' names?
The Albani family established in Italy (after the death of Scanderbeg 1400's).
Fact - 0% Serbs in the Balkans in the 6th century. So when a Serb complains about others coming to the Balkans, that is the culmination of human idiocy. Hellooooo, you came to the Balkans, from Iran or the Urals or whatever boonies you decided to come from and made it to the Balkans.
This is not for you; you're too far gone from reality and have been drinking from that xenophobia cool aid for too long.
....because physics taught in Serbia ....
(icj1, 27 August 2016 17:45)
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Good grief. icj1, the CB of B92, is now refering to the teaching of specific subjects. Ironic. icj1, the CB of 92 is a graduate of warped Mengele-based medical theory. icj1 associates an ethnic group with a neurological disorder. Unscholarly idiocy usually accompanies the daily drivel posted by our CB.
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