Nazarbayev decorates Nikolic with Order of Friendship

at leat kazgblghastlan (whatever) is a friend of serbia

It is 500 years today that the famous Battle of Dabiq Field near Halebo (Aleppo) happened. It put an end to the Sultanate of Misr also known as the Mameluke or Cairo or Egyptian Sultanate. Strange as it is but among the few languages where articles about the Battle of Daqib are available there is Serbian too. Strange not because the battle had nothing to do with the Serbs ! But because Serbs demonstrate minimal interest for anything that questions their anti-Turkish mentality. Most neighboring people have bigger interest for their own history while Serbs live in their cocoon refraining Vatican version of history implemented in 17-19 centuries.

https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE-%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%83%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82_(1516-1517)

So it is symbolic that this very day Putin’s ambassador arrived to Serbia and Erdogan invaded Syria. More that that the Turkish army fights near Aleppo where 500 years ago the Ottomans defeated the Mamelukes. We are persuaded that the Mamelukes were Muslims but it finds no documental proof. Even the names of their sultans were Russian – Cansava (Khan Savva) and Tumanbey (Tumen Bey)! After the defeat most of the Mamelukes returned to the Great Horde. Russian Mamelukes settled around Astrakhan where their roots were from. Adiga Mamelukes returned to the north Caucasus where they formed a vast region of Kabarda = Kaaba Orda.

Rote

You would have more credibility claiming that Aliens were involved in the battlee of Marj Dabiq than Slavs.Your delusion is beyondd any human comprehension.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Marj_Dabiq

rote : Serbs demonstrate minimal interest for anything that questions their anti-Turkish mentality.

If someone doubts it see the below voting. In 15-18 centuries Balkans were the Metropolis of the Empire but people of the peninsula prefer to think that their ancestors were slaves to the Ottomans. The only difference is the central episode around which local peoples construct their mentality. For the Serbs it is the Kosovska bitka while central figure of the Whites was Skanderbeu. Croats talk about some imagionary Lords/Kings of Croatia ect.

Nobody even tried to protest when I wrote it many times that the Kosovo Battle was part of the Russian Velikaya Smuta (Great Disaster) and that Skanderbeu could belong to the Rurikovici only. See how looks the Serbian and the Bulgarian links in the New Chronology site! One is almost empty while the other demonstrate the interest of the Bulgarians for their real history.

http://www.chronologia.org/sb/index.html
http://www.chronologia.org/bl/index.html

Meanwhile Serbs and the Whites are satisfied with the fairy tales they were fed. The Dabiq Battle of August 24 1516 must be of your interest at least because you all were inside the Ottomans and most likely your ancestors could fight in Selim I Khan’s army. How come that this very day Turks invaded near Aleppo while most of you first heard of such a battle ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Mamluk_War_(1516%E2%80%9317)

Those were Russian ...

No they were not.Even your links from gateofturkey.com prove they were turks.Do you think Turks look the same as Russians?If you do take trip to turkey to open your eyes.

at leat kazgblghastlan (whatever) is a friend of serbia

(Croat, 24 August 2016 23:03)


before 1936 it was КАЗАКСТАН with dominating Russian population but then one letter was changed so it became КАЗАХСТАН ... at least it's the first Sultan (Nursultan) arriving to the Balkans lately ...

Andrew : Rote You would have more credibility claiming that Aliens were involved in the battlee of Marj Dabiq than Slavs.Your delusion is beyondd any human comprehension.

What about : «женитьбы Ивана-IV на дочери Темрюка (Кемиргоко) Идарова – правнука мамлюкского султана Сирии и Египта Инала, известного на Востоке как ал-Ашраф Сайф ад-дин Инал.» (“marriage of Ivan IV (Grozny) with daughter of Temuk (Kemirgoko) Idarov – grand grandson of the Mamluke Sultan of Syria and Egypt Inal known in the East as Al Ashraf Seif ad-Din”) … Mind that Arab names never meant being Arab? So were the rest of the name that sound Arabian for you but are quite common in Russian regions like Caucasus where most of the Mamelukes were from. Not only of the Burji Dynasty but of the Bahri too. Bahri stayed in the ME and they ended very bad in 1811 but the Burdji returned home in 1517. Those were Russian Cherkassy Kniaz Dynasty from Astrakhan and their people and the Adiga/Kabarda people from north of Caucasus. Full name of Al Ghauri was Кансава (хан Савва) ал-Гаури. See how the Cherkassy Cossack mamelukes looked out:

http://file2.answcdn.com/answ-cld/image/upload/w_760,c_fill,g_faces:center,fl_lossy,q_60/v1/tk/view/answ-images/4/1/4/b/9/5/414b958d/fd5f2f64ecd3b53d6e61d0c4c81822747d1ab807.jpg
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/zareeba/mamluk.jpg
http://admin.gateofturkey.com/api/data/GetHeaderImage/1951/17kara%20kulluk%C3%A7u-usta-kara%20kulluk%C3%A7u.jpg

Andrew I cannot compensate the gaps in your education with 1500 characters. So stop jumping from one item to another. We started to talk about the mamelukes that were mostly Russians and Caucasians. Balkan peoples were drafted too. Sultan of Egypt could free from the taxes in Volga region as Volga was the place where the Cherkassy Mameluks took their routes from. Their capitol even after 1517 was Astrakhan city. Mameluks loved fur coats! They always ordered them from the same region near Irkutsk city where as they believed furs were the best. How did they know it and what did they needen such coats for in the heat of Egypt, Yemen or Algeria?

In 1517 the Adiga Mamelukes returned to the Caucasus. Since 1382 they had been sending here their children to be trained and taught the traditions. But after the defeat on the Dabiq Field they had to return not to obey Selim Khan. These people did not look like refugees but a highly organized military state. They drove horses never seen here and their dress became traditional Caucasian Cherkesska! They also brought their best slaves from ME. And when in 1861 slavery was abolished in Russia Tsar had big problems with the Kabarda (Kaaba Orda) people. If you like I can tell you a lot of things about this people that made Russia fight it longest was for 101 years in 18-19 century.

If you need more details about the Russian and the Caucasian Chekess Mameluks feel free to ask! Then we can move to the “turks”.

Rote
It's you that jumps from one item to another.You've sent two links purporting to show how Cossacksvlooked like.When i told you them guys on the pictures were turks you change your tune.Can you send me a link of a renown world historian -not russian-who resonates on the same page as yoy do.I bet you can't.

Andrew : When i told you them guys on the pictures were turks you change your tune.

When you say that the Mameluks looked rather Turkish you simply stand on my side because both were Russian Hordes. Mamelukes were Kniazia Cherkasskie from Astrakhan and Kazan region same as the Bulgars while the Sultans belonged to the Kniazia Tverskie in south-west Russia. But obeyed the White Horde in Veliki Novgorod and both Cossack armies were dressed more or less similar and called themselves Cossacks - not Mameluks or Turks. There were several dress codes like SHAROVARI wide trunks often made os silk or rings in the ears or the OSELEDETS/HOHOL hair makeup or the CHELMA/CHALMA on their heads ect. Let’s talk about it after we finish with the Mamelukes. Burdji and Bahri Maelukes had no difference as those were the names of their headquarters so all were Russians or Caucasians with 10% of the Turkic component. Last night I sent you good Russian links of the descendants of the Caucasian Mamelukes. Russian ones were baptized again in 1517 because the Christianity they used in the far away region was now called Pagan. Those were Cherkassy Mamelukes that had big problems with the Ruricovici and who became close assistants for the occupant Romanovs. You can see Mikhail Cherkassky (with a white beard) standing by side of the Vatican’s ambassador in the left corner of a famous Russian picture.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Surikov_streltsi.jpg

Andrew : Can you send me a link of a renown world historian -not russian-who resonates on the same page as yoy do. I bet you can't.


I can give you a lot of links of the Europeans who backs this Russian version of history but it will be a problem for me to find something about the Mamelukes in their works. And it will also take time that I don’t have enough. So if it suits you I can give you links of such works. Most often they write about their own states in the new light of the history.

http://www.chronologia.org/en/articles/giovanni_parigi_kings2.html
http://www.chronologia.org/en/articles/giovanni_parigi_godstimeline.html
http://www.chronologia.org/en/articles/tabov2010.html
http://www.chronologia.org/en/2013_florin_diacu.html
http://www.chronologia.org/en/seven/zinoviev.html
http://new.chronologia.org/
http://www.chronologia.org/tabov/sphere/index.html
http://www.chronologia.org/other_autors.html
http://new.chronologia.org/polemics/

rote

I knew that you've got nothing to back up your claims that mamluks were russian.Even the turkish link you've posted clearly states they were muslim turks.Egyptian chrinicles back the turkish claim.Anyway you can stil live with yor fantasies.

Strange as you are Andrew! What else do you expect from the Turks and the Egyptians? Besides being Russians and being Muslims are different dimensions. We can talk about their religion later as it will take time to let you enter the course.

b92 has not placed my comment with the links about what the Russian and the Caucasian descendants of the Mamelukes think. So I have to search for them again. Unfortunately those are Russian sources only but I hope you can read them using the web. Many things that they write I disagree but they leave no rooms for speculations. At least the Kabarda people enjoy 19 generation genealogy of their Great Kniaz known in Russia as Inal Svetli.

http://intercircass.org/?p=2311

Из среды черкесских мамлюков вышли многие эмиры, наместники, а также султан Бейбарс II аль-Джашангир (1309-1310) … также султаны Сайф ад-Дин Кутуз (1259-1260), Бейбapс I аль-Бундукдари (1260-1277), Калаун аль-Алфи (1280-1290), Халил Бен Калаун (1290-1293), ан-Насир Насир ад-дин аль-Хасан (1347-1351, 1354-1361), ас-Салих Салах ад-дин Салих (1351-1354).

Despite their names all of them were Orthodox Christians but different from the current Apostolic Christians. Caucasian Mamelukes were by force islamised in late 19 century while the Russian Cherkassy Mamelukes had no problems. They were baptized to Apostolic Christianity soon after they were backin 1517. List of the Mameluke sultans is to be continued.

Черкесские султаны:

1. Захир Сайф ад-Дин Баркук (1382-1399);
2. Насир Насир ад-Дин Фарадж (1399-1405);
3. Мансур Изз ад-Дин Абдульазиз (1405);
4. Насир Насир ад-Дин Фарадж (1405-1412) вторично;
5. Адиль Мустаын (1412) – аббасидский халиф,
6. Муайад Шейх (1412-1421);
7. Музаффар Ахмед (1421);
8. Захир Сайф ад-Дин Татар (1421);
9. Салих Насир ад-Дин Мухаммед (1421-1422);
10. Ашраф Сайф ад-Дин Барс-бей (1422-1438);
11. Азиз Джамал ад-Дин Юсуф (1438);
12. Захир Сайф ад-Дин Джакмак(1438-1453);
13. Мансур Фахр ад-Дин Осман (1453);
14. Ашраф Сайф ад-Дин Инал (1453-1461);
15. Муайад Шихаб ад-Дин Ахмед (1461);
16. Захир Сайф ад-Дин Хушкадам (1461-1467);
17. Захир Сайф ад-Дин Билль-бей (1467);
18. Захир Тимурбуга (1467-1468);
19. Ашраф Сайф ад-Дин Каит-бей (1468-1496);
20. Насир Мухаммед (1496-1498);
21. Захир Кансав (1498-1500);
22. Ашраф Джанблат (1500-1501);
23. Ашраф Кансав Гaури (1501-1516);
24. Ашраф Туман-бей (1516-1517).

In this list most important is 14. Ашраф Сайф ад-Дин Инал (1453-1461)! It is his descendants lead the 19 generation genealogy and it was his grand grand daughter (Maria Temriukovna) that Ivan IV Grozny married. She brought him son Vasily who was the second for the throne but the Romanovs poisoned him when he was 6. Thus the Burdji dinasty ended in 1517. Burdj was the castle in Misr/Cairo city. The word is same as Burdj Dubai (башня). Other mamelukes who stayed were called Bahri = Sea Dynasty as their headquaters were on the shore.

It is 500 years today that the famous Battle of Dabiq Field near Halebo (Aleppo) happened. It put an end to the Sultanate of Misr also known as the Mameluke or Cairo or Egyptian Sultanate. Strange as it is but among the few languages where articles about the Battle of Daqib are available there is Serbian too. Strange not because the battle had nothing to do with the Serbs ! But because Serbs demonstrate minimal interest for anything that questions their anti-Turkish mentality. Most neighboring people have bigger interest for their own history while Serbs live in their cocoon refraining Vatican version of history implemented in 17-19 centuries.

https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE-%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%83%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82_(1516-1517)

So it is symbolic that this very day Putin’s ambassador arrived to Serbia and Erdogan invaded Syria. More that that the Turkish army fights near Aleppo where 500 years ago the Ottomans defeated the Mamelukes. We are persuaded that the Mamelukes were Muslims but it finds no documental proof. Even the names of their sultans were Russian – Cansava (Khan Savva) and Tumanbey (Tumen Bey)! After the defeat most of the Mamelukes returned to the Great Horde. Russian Mamelukes settled around Astrakhan where their roots were from. Adiga Mamelukes returned to the north Caucasus where they formed a vast region of Kabarda = Kaaba Orda.

rote : Serbs demonstrate minimal interest for anything that questions their anti-Turkish mentality.

If someone doubts it see the below voting. In 15-18 centuries Balkans were the Metropolis of the Empire but people of the peninsula prefer to think that their ancestors were slaves to the Ottomans. The only difference is the central episode around which local peoples construct their mentality. For the Serbs it is the Kosovska bitka while central figure of the Whites was Skanderbeu. Croats talk about some imagionary Lords/Kings of Croatia ect.

Nobody even tried to protest when I wrote it many times that the Kosovo Battle was part of the Russian Velikaya Smuta (Great Disaster) and that Skanderbeu could belong to the Rurikovici only. See how looks the Serbian and the Bulgarian links in the New Chronology site! One is almost empty while the other demonstrate the interest of the Bulgarians for their real history.

http://www.chronologia.org/sb/index.html
http://www.chronologia.org/bl/index.html

Meanwhile Serbs and the Whites are satisfied with the fairy tales they were fed. The Dabiq Battle of August 24 1516 must be of your interest at least because you all were inside the Ottomans and most likely your ancestors could fight in Selim I Khan’s army. How come that this very day Turks invaded near Aleppo while most of you first heard of such a battle ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Mamluk_War_(1516%E2%80%9317)

at leat kazgblghastlan (whatever) is a friend of serbia

(Croat, 24 August 2016 23:03)


before 1936 it was КАЗАКСТАН with dominating Russian population but then one letter was changed so it became КАЗАХСТАН ... at least it's the first Sultan (Nursultan) arriving to the Balkans lately ...

at leat kazgblghastlan (whatever) is a friend of serbia

Andrew : Rote You would have more credibility claiming that Aliens were involved in the battlee of Marj Dabiq than Slavs.Your delusion is beyondd any human comprehension.

What about : «женитьбы Ивана-IV на дочери Темрюка (Кемиргоко) Идарова – правнука мамлюкского султана Сирии и Египта Инала, известного на Востоке как ал-Ашраф Сайф ад-дин Инал.» (“marriage of Ivan IV (Grozny) with daughter of Temuk (Kemirgoko) Idarov – grand grandson of the Mamluke Sultan of Syria and Egypt Inal known in the East as Al Ashraf Seif ad-Din”) … Mind that Arab names never meant being Arab? So were the rest of the name that sound Arabian for you but are quite common in Russian regions like Caucasus where most of the Mamelukes were from. Not only of the Burji Dynasty but of the Bahri too. Bahri stayed in the ME and they ended very bad in 1811 but the Burdji returned home in 1517. Those were Russian Cherkassy Kniaz Dynasty from Astrakhan and their people and the Adiga/Kabarda people from north of Caucasus. Full name of Al Ghauri was Кансава (хан Савва) ал-Гаури. See how the Cherkassy Cossack mamelukes looked out:

http://file2.answcdn.com/answ-cld/image/upload/w_760,c_fill,g_faces:center,fl_lossy,q_60/v1/tk/view/answ-images/4/1/4/b/9/5/414b958d/fd5f2f64ecd3b53d6e61d0c4c81822747d1ab807.jpg
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/zareeba/mamluk.jpg
http://admin.gateofturkey.com/api/data/GetHeaderImage/1951/17kara%20kulluk%C3%A7u-usta-kara%20kulluk%C3%A7u.jpg

Rote

You would have more credibility claiming that Aliens were involved in the battlee of Marj Dabiq than Slavs.Your delusion is beyondd any human comprehension.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Marj_Dabiq

Andrew I cannot compensate the gaps in your education with 1500 characters. So stop jumping from one item to another. We started to talk about the mamelukes that were mostly Russians and Caucasians. Balkan peoples were drafted too. Sultan of Egypt could free from the taxes in Volga region as Volga was the place where the Cherkassy Mameluks took their routes from. Their capitol even after 1517 was Astrakhan city. Mameluks loved fur coats! They always ordered them from the same region near Irkutsk city where as they believed furs were the best. How did they know it and what did they needen such coats for in the heat of Egypt, Yemen or Algeria?

In 1517 the Adiga Mamelukes returned to the Caucasus. Since 1382 they had been sending here their children to be trained and taught the traditions. But after the defeat on the Dabiq Field they had to return not to obey Selim Khan. These people did not look like refugees but a highly organized military state. They drove horses never seen here and their dress became traditional Caucasian Cherkesska! They also brought their best slaves from ME. And when in 1861 slavery was abolished in Russia Tsar had big problems with the Kabarda (Kaaba Orda) people. If you like I can tell you a lot of things about this people that made Russia fight it longest was for 101 years in 18-19 century.

If you need more details about the Russian and the Caucasian Chekess Mameluks feel free to ask! Then we can move to the “turks”.

Rote
It's you that jumps from one item to another.You've sent two links purporting to show how Cossacksvlooked like.When i told you them guys on the pictures were turks you change your tune.Can you send me a link of a renown world historian -not russian-who resonates on the same page as yoy do.I bet you can't.

Those were Russian ...

No they were not.Even your links from gateofturkey.com prove they were turks.Do you think Turks look the same as Russians?If you do take trip to turkey to open your eyes.

Andrew : When i told you them guys on the pictures were turks you change your tune.

When you say that the Mameluks looked rather Turkish you simply stand on my side because both were Russian Hordes. Mamelukes were Kniazia Cherkasskie from Astrakhan and Kazan region same as the Bulgars while the Sultans belonged to the Kniazia Tverskie in south-west Russia. But obeyed the White Horde in Veliki Novgorod and both Cossack armies were dressed more or less similar and called themselves Cossacks - not Mameluks or Turks. There were several dress codes like SHAROVARI wide trunks often made os silk or rings in the ears or the OSELEDETS/HOHOL hair makeup or the CHELMA/CHALMA on their heads ect. Let’s talk about it after we finish with the Mamelukes. Burdji and Bahri Maelukes had no difference as those were the names of their headquarters so all were Russians or Caucasians with 10% of the Turkic component. Last night I sent you good Russian links of the descendants of the Caucasian Mamelukes. Russian ones were baptized again in 1517 because the Christianity they used in the far away region was now called Pagan. Those were Cherkassy Mamelukes that had big problems with the Ruricovici and who became close assistants for the occupant Romanovs. You can see Mikhail Cherkassky (with a white beard) standing by side of the Vatican’s ambassador in the left corner of a famous Russian picture.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Surikov_streltsi.jpg

Andrew : Can you send me a link of a renown world historian -not russian-who resonates on the same page as yoy do. I bet you can't.


I can give you a lot of links of the Europeans who backs this Russian version of history but it will be a problem for me to find something about the Mamelukes in their works. And it will also take time that I don’t have enough. So if it suits you I can give you links of such works. Most often they write about their own states in the new light of the history.

http://www.chronologia.org/en/articles/giovanni_parigi_kings2.html
http://www.chronologia.org/en/articles/giovanni_parigi_godstimeline.html
http://www.chronologia.org/en/articles/tabov2010.html
http://www.chronologia.org/en/2013_florin_diacu.html
http://www.chronologia.org/en/seven/zinoviev.html
http://new.chronologia.org/
http://www.chronologia.org/tabov/sphere/index.html
http://www.chronologia.org/other_autors.html
http://new.chronologia.org/polemics/

rote

I knew that you've got nothing to back up your claims that mamluks were russian.Even the turkish link you've posted clearly states they were muslim turks.Egyptian chrinicles back the turkish claim.Anyway you can stil live with yor fantasies.

Strange as you are Andrew! What else do you expect from the Turks and the Egyptians? Besides being Russians and being Muslims are different dimensions. We can talk about their religion later as it will take time to let you enter the course.

b92 has not placed my comment with the links about what the Russian and the Caucasian descendants of the Mamelukes think. So I have to search for them again. Unfortunately those are Russian sources only but I hope you can read them using the web. Many things that they write I disagree but they leave no rooms for speculations. At least the Kabarda people enjoy 19 generation genealogy of their Great Kniaz known in Russia as Inal Svetli.

http://intercircass.org/?p=2311

Из среды черкесских мамлюков вышли многие эмиры, наместники, а также султан Бейбарс II аль-Джашангир (1309-1310) … также султаны Сайф ад-Дин Кутуз (1259-1260), Бейбapс I аль-Бундукдари (1260-1277), Калаун аль-Алфи (1280-1290), Халил Бен Калаун (1290-1293), ан-Насир Насир ад-дин аль-Хасан (1347-1351, 1354-1361), ас-Салих Салах ад-дин Салих (1351-1354).

Despite their names all of them were Orthodox Christians but different from the current Apostolic Christians. Caucasian Mamelukes were by force islamised in late 19 century while the Russian Cherkassy Mamelukes had no problems. They were baptized to Apostolic Christianity soon after they were backin 1517. List of the Mameluke sultans is to be continued.

Черкесские султаны:

1. Захир Сайф ад-Дин Баркук (1382-1399);
2. Насир Насир ад-Дин Фарадж (1399-1405);
3. Мансур Изз ад-Дин Абдульазиз (1405);
4. Насир Насир ад-Дин Фарадж (1405-1412) вторично;
5. Адиль Мустаын (1412) – аббасидский халиф,
6. Муайад Шейх (1412-1421);
7. Музаффар Ахмед (1421);
8. Захир Сайф ад-Дин Татар (1421);
9. Салих Насир ад-Дин Мухаммед (1421-1422);
10. Ашраф Сайф ад-Дин Барс-бей (1422-1438);
11. Азиз Джамал ад-Дин Юсуф (1438);
12. Захир Сайф ад-Дин Джакмак(1438-1453);
13. Мансур Фахр ад-Дин Осман (1453);
14. Ашраф Сайф ад-Дин Инал (1453-1461);
15. Муайад Шихаб ад-Дин Ахмед (1461);
16. Захир Сайф ад-Дин Хушкадам (1461-1467);
17. Захир Сайф ад-Дин Билль-бей (1467);
18. Захир Тимурбуга (1467-1468);
19. Ашраф Сайф ад-Дин Каит-бей (1468-1496);
20. Насир Мухаммед (1496-1498);
21. Захир Кансав (1498-1500);
22. Ашраф Джанблат (1500-1501);
23. Ашраф Кансав Гaури (1501-1516);
24. Ашраф Туман-бей (1516-1517).

In this list most important is 14. Ашраф Сайф ад-Дин Инал (1453-1461)! It is his descendants lead the 19 generation genealogy and it was his grand grand daughter (Maria Temriukovna) that Ivan IV Grozny married. She brought him son Vasily who was the second for the throne but the Romanovs poisoned him when he was 6. Thus the Burdji dinasty ended in 1517. Burdj was the castle in Misr/Cairo city. The word is same as Burdj Dubai (башня). Other mamelukes who stayed were called Bahri = Sea Dynasty as their headquaters were on the shore.