Bytyqi family: Serbia failed to bring suspects to justice

Oh whatever. They weren't civilians. They traveled half way across the world to fight for a terrorist organization. They shouldn't have done that. And I don't buy that they were "escorting Roma's into Central Serbia". They were ethnically cleansing non-Albanians out of Kosovo-Metohija. They were combatants that were killed in action, the fact that they were American citizens shouldn't matter. Serbia's government is under pressure just for that fact alone.

Wait a minute, am I missing something here? These men went to Serbia to kill Serbs. They themselves were killed. End of. They chose to go to a war zone, nobody made them go there. The fact that they happened to have US passports is neither here nor there. Those bleating for 'justice' on their behalf should consider the fate of countless Serb civilians murdered and missing during and after the conflict ended. Some of whom may have been killed by these thugs.

Next, Americans who go to Syria to fight for Daesh and get killed will demand "justice" as well.

Killing unarmed Soldiers in captivity is called murder. Ever heard of Geneva Convention?!

Its exactely because this kind of backward thinking that Nato bombed you and the whole world remembers Serbia as the biggest warcriminal in europe since WWII.

Pay to play man. You stop flipping pizzas to fly halfway around the world to play Rambo, you accept the consequences of getting killed. The US kills dozens of terrorists with US passports and doesn't shed one tear.

You're all missing a key point. These 3 young men were not captured on a battlefield. The Kosovo war had been over for several weeks, when their car was stopped at a police checkpoint (they were driving a Roma neighbor from Prizren to Prokuplje, at his request) and the 3 were charged with a visa violation. For that violation, they were sentenced to a short jail term, which they served. When the 3 brothers exited the jail, they were kidnapped at the door by men driving a Serbian Interior Ministry car. They were taken to the police training ground at Petrovo Selo in eastern Serbia, where they were shot in the back of the head, their hands tied with wire, and their bodies were dumped in a mass grave. This was a crime, a cold-blooded act of murder committed in peacetime -- not an act of war.
(Observer, 8 July 2016 19:28)

How come you survived and wasn't killed ,since you where with them!!.
They where mercenaries,blackmarketiers and racketeers .You had to pay them money to get out of Kosovo!!.
I will get you tissues for the mercenaries that left a business to run ,and make money off ,poor Gypsies!!Please,cut it out .I know about them perfectly well,some people are Soooo naive and stupid.

Killing unarmed Soldiers in captivity is called murder. Ever heard of Geneva Convention?!
(Gjon Marku, 8 July 2016 17:27)

That's rich coming from someone who can't/won't tell the difference between civilians and paramilitary in Djakovica. It's also rich considering the dozens and dozens of incidents where Serb children, elderly, and other civilians have been killed in cold blooded murder in Kosovo since 1999.

That's the real violations. Pardon me if I don't reach for the tissue box over these three combatants.

You're all missing a key point. These 3 young men were not captured on a battlefield. The Kosovo war had been over for several weeks, when their car was stopped at a police checkpoint (they were driving a Roma neighbor from Prizren to Prokuplje, at his request) and the 3 were charged with a visa violation. For that violation, they were sentenced to a short jail term, which they served. When the 3 brothers exited the jail, they were kidnapped at the door by men driving a Serbian Interior Ministry car. They were taken to the police training ground at Petrovo Selo in eastern Serbia, where they were shot in the back of the head, their hands tied with wire, and their bodies were dumped in a mass grave. This was a crime, a cold-blooded act of murder committed in peacetime -- not an act of war.

The Bytyqi bros (ethnic Albanian descent) were three of the many mercs who joined in this case the (KLA) war in Kosmet. They went there at their own risk and should have lost their US citizenship at once.

@ Ari,PEN&Jeff
I knew the Bytyqi brothers living and working in Long Island,NY. It is true they join KLA and fought when the famous battle took place in Koshare, and this is the end of it. They never entered Serbia armed and in uniforms. The war was over when Miloshevic capitulated , and they did travel as civilians from Kosova into Serbia proper. End of story guys, and stop making yourself fools.

Killing unarmed Soldiers in captivity is called murder.

Gjon Marku

An unarmwd soilder! What was he fighting with? A slingshot?

When albanians start bringing in uck terrorists to justice will be the day. Serbia has done more than any other Balkan country.

Killing unarmed Soldiers in captivity is called murder. Ever heard of Geneva Convention?!

Who told you Gjon , they where unarmed ?!!
Killing Soldiers in Battle is the risks you take,leaving there Pizza business to go and fight as mercenaries!.
Killed in a fierce battle is always POSSIBLE!.
P'S Leave the fully trained soldiers to go fight,and stay and run a pizzeria is the way to go!!

The truth

I knew the Bytyqi brothers to. Their uncles mother and my brothers sister went to school together. They admitted when caught that they had come to take the organs of captured serbs. This is the truth. You know why? Because I say so.

That's rich coming from someone who can't/won't tell the difference between civilians and paramilitary in Djakovica. It's also rich considering the dozens and dozens of incidents where Serb children, elderly, and other civilians have been killed in cold blooded murder in Kosovo since 1999.

That's the real violations. Pardon me if I don't reach for the tissue box over these three combatants.
(Donkey Hoxha, 8 July 2016 21:07) # Comment link

The difference is, I dont want em dead, I want justice before anyone of them can return. You are celebrating the murder of unarmed captives.

No albanian on this site has ever spoken in favour of killing anyone. It sure shows what kind of inhumans you truly are. Actually, the more you comment, the more you prove my point.

Thank god, nato and kla we dont have to live with you anymore.

combatants that were killed in action
(Ari Gold, 8 July 2016 15:10)
I don't think USA wants sympathy, only normal justice.

I dont think you undertand "killed in combat" means. These guys were tied and executed.
Perhaps some authorities reading your posts will decide you are a terrorist, they will come to your house and remove you to a police station.
They wont tell your family where they are taking you.
They will shoot you in the back of the head and take your body to a forest. They will take your ID papers and burn them and maybe cover your body with lime to help decomposition.
Would that be ok? It would not be OK by me, whether you are Albaina or Serb or a wanna-be terrorist.
Seems that you are ok with this as long as the victim is Albanian.

These three were idiots, there seems to be no doubt about that and maybe even terrorists, but its not up to some bored cop to decide who to executed and who is not.

You forgot to mention all the other civilians mentioned in the article.
If there were all terrorists and soldiers, how come Serbia was hiding the bodies and not one official in Serbia has the guts to stand up and say
"I ordered the execution of these 900 people because they are terrorists and here is my proof"

combatants that were killed in action
(Ari Gold, 8 July 2016 15:10)

I dont think you undertand "killed in combat" means. These guys were tied and executed.
(Dwight, 8 July 2016 18:13)

I think our dear friend Ari Gold is saying that, similarly to the thousands men and boys in Srebrenica, they tied themselves up as a dirty tactic against the heroic Serb soldiers. But the heroic Serbs caught them in the action on tying themselves up and killed them in action!

Bytyqi brothers case is not so different from tens of thousands killed or "dissappeared" by Serbian MUP or Serbian Army.

The fact they were killed in peacetime? Serbian MUP had killed many people in "peacetime".

Just another act of state terrorism. Business as usual for Milosevic Butcher & Co.

For anybody intrested in what really happened, I suggest you read the in-depth investigative article by Serbian Journalist Marija Ristic.
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/silence-shields-killers-of-albanian-americans-in-serbia-07-08-2016#.V4BzJl43z6c.facebook

Oh whatever. They weren't civilians. They traveled half way across the world to fight for a terrorist organization. They shouldn't have done that. And I don't buy that they were "escorting Roma's into Central Serbia". They were ethnically cleansing non-Albanians out of Kosovo-Metohija. They were combatants that were killed in action, the fact that they were American citizens shouldn't matter. Serbia's government is under pressure just for that fact alone.
(Ari Gold, 8 July 2016 15:10)

Where were you that day in question, Ari???

who cares. all fair in love and war. they lost lol

Serbia is still practicing State Terror coordinated in Russia and executed by top officials on all levels of its institutions. Just visit Preshev - nothing new.

Serbs are still racial prejudices towards ordinary citizens of former Yugoslavia - nothing new

Fact: Ordinary civilian Serbs in Kosovo could do whatever they wanted to Albanians. Be it, kick them out of their job (segregation), beat them on the street (aggravated assault), take their possession (robbing), evict them from their homes (exodus) and murder (ethnic cleansing) there were no court where Albanians could seek justice. Still going on today.

If those three brothers did violate any law of Serbia, they served the time. But they didn’t that’s why they were set free so fast: Court case state that the brothers were sentence for trespassing – nothing else.

Fact: Serbian NGO has evidence of thousands of cases, where Serbian civilian kidnapped people of the street Kosovë – drove them to military facilities around Serbia and sold them to the highest better. Belgrade and Skopje swarmed with Russian doctors in the ’90.

Bytyqi brothers, like thousands of others innocent people of Albanian, Croatian, Bosnian and Vlah decent, were victims of the State Terror Machine, victims of a hate so embedded so deep in Serbs that False flag terrorism still is a mean, killing their own babies - nothing new

There has never, dose not and will never exist a Neutral Serbia – Wake up people!

They look Kurdish.

No albanian on this site has ever spoken in favour of killing anyone.
(Gjon Marku, 8 July 2016 22:19)

LOL really? You're not reading past your own posts. Half the Albanians here either praise NATO bombs, Tudjman, or the Ustashe. But while we're on the subject of people getting killed after official conflict ceased, how's about we talk about all those Serb civilians in Kosovo that conveniently wound up murdered in all sorts of creative manners and not a single Albanian ever being caught? The worst this article shows is that there's some people within Serbia as low and despicable as you guys except these three brothers *were* combatants while the Serbs in Kosovo killed were civilians.

Why Not blame the court with the greatest resources? If a war crime or interethnic extra judicial mass murder occurred in 1999, then the ICTY, which had 10 000 - fold greater financial resources than local judiciaries, should have used a small fraction of its cumulative 3 billion dollar budget to provide us with the evidence.
Why aren't the signatories of this letter directing their rage at the ICTY judicial farce that squandered billions in resources on frivolous political witch-hunts and ignored actual war crimes?

Oh yes, the war is over. They are automatically 'civilians'. Just like the IRA are automatically civilians when then put down their guns to go to the pub.

a) terrorists
b) left american passports behind to hide origin
c) did not identify themselves or wore clothing identifying themselves as KLA
d) mission unknown - claimed they were going home, but what proof?

The Geneva Convention:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_combatant
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"apply in wars between two or more sovereign states".
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Article 4 of Third Geneva Convention does describe categories under which a person may be entitled to POW status, and there are other international treaties that deny lawful combatant status for mercenaries and children

The rules are of course different for the United States as anyone over the age of 12 and male is considered an "illegal enemy combatant" and can be killed on the spot, by a drone for example.

So ICTY has done its job. (icj1, 10 July 2016 21:34)

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According to the ICTY's own judge Harhoff, it's job usurped justice and effected political decisions by Meron. All at a cost of 3 billion dollars. A "job" indeed.

LOL really? You're not reading past your own posts. Half the Albanians here either praise NATO bombs, Tudjman, or the Ustashe. But while we're on the subject of people getting killed after official conflict ceased, how's about we talk about all those Serb civilians in Kosovo that conveniently wound up murdered in all sorts of creative manners and not a single Albanian ever being caught? The worst this article shows is that there's some people within Serbia as low and despicable as you guys except these three brothers *were* combatants while the Serbs in Kosovo killed were civilians.
(Donkey Hoxha, 10 July 2016 07:51)

Albanians, Nato bombing, Tudjman, Ustashe, killed Serb civilains... Did you use a Slobo Quote Generator for your comment. Most things are not even related to one another nor to what I said or to what the article is all about.

Everything you just commented is proving my point. Still the same delusional paranoia from Slobo brainwash. Its all just in your head. You wont find any comment from an albanian praising the dead of unarmed captives. You are just implying something based on your twisted mind. Even the Nato bombing was not our choice, it was your choice. You were given time to retreat and stop the aggression. No one wanted the war, you choose for war. All you had to do was accept that Kosovo does not want to stay with you anymore. Here we are now. The outcome was inevitable, the war was unnecessary.

Terrorists does not deserve justice, that fought against their own country.
Those self called intellectuals, obviously are not interested in justice for civilians killed for organs.

Why Not blame the court with the greatest resources? If a war crime or interethnic extra judicial mass murder occurred in 1999, then the ICTY, which had 10 000 - fold greater financial resources than local judiciaries, should have used a small fraction of its cumulative 3 billion dollar budget to provide us with the evidence.
Why aren't the signatories of this letter directing their rage at the ICTY judicial farce that squandered billions in resources on frivolous political witch-hunts and ignored actual war crimes?
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 9 July 2016 05:38)

I feel sorry mate that your obsession with ICTY does not let you sleep at night lol

ICTY has already provided the evidence about the war crimes and crimes against humanity that members of the Serb forces committed in Kosovo and convicted those responsible for the grave violations of international humanitarian law in Kosovo. So ICTY has done its job.

As for the murder of the Bytyqi brothers, that is not something that is under ICTY's jurisdiction. But if you want ICTY to become Serbia's criminal court because Serbia's courts are a failure, please feel free to ask the UNSC to change ICTY's statute and make that happen.

The primary reference to mental masturbation was icj1's argument with himself/herself that Harhoff and Amnesty Yugoslavia are not God. Notably, the only person who argued this pint was icj1.

Harhoff is not a God, but he is a UN vetted and appointed judge who exposed corruption at the highest level.
icj1 denies this fact.
icj1 denies ICTY's decades of farcical processes such as the Seselj indictment, trial, and verdict, and now on going appeals, all of which have been completely mocked by legal experts and analysts worldwide.
icj1's denial of these sea of facts exposes the ocean of seminal fluid between his ears and that, like his blind ICTY love, has impaired his capacity in basic reasoning.

Wow! They were killed? They should be in prison for life, but USA would set them free. So, someone thought this is second best thing. Big deal, dead terrorists! What about countless Serb victims? They look as nasty bunch.

(icj1, 11 July 2016 21:37) Amnesty Yugoslavia or Harhoff are not God to establish universal truth.
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Harhoff was not hired as God. He was appointed to judge crime in the former YU. As a high-ranking whistle-blower he simply corroborated ICTY’s overt political prejudice, explained its motive for abandoning standards of evidence, jurisprudence and logical reasoning.

(icj1, 11 July 2016 21:37) Please provide a reference where a court judgement has established beyond resonance doubt that "ICTY's job usurped justice and effected political decisions by Mero(n)".
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icj1 & ICTY rely on idiotic concepts such as “resonance doubt”, whatever that means. ICTY does not require direct evidence and uses hearsay and circumstantial evidence to fabricate inferences that fail reasonable doubt criterion.

(icj1, 11 July 2016 21:37) The other thing that I find perplexing is that you are proposing ICTY to become Serbia's criminal court.
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Dude, you’re using ICTY (il)logic and fabricating inferences. I never proposed ICTY become Serbia’s criminal court. The ICTY farce was (past tense) responsible for investigating war crimes. 3 billion dollars should have been sufficient resources to investigate the Bytyqi case, particularly as many of the area’s police and judicial institutions were targeted and destroyed by NATO in 1999. Bytyqi's should ask where are 3 billion dollars worth of (direct) evidence, and why was it not transferred to the re-established local courts?

(icj1, 14 July 2016 15:13) Do you have a court judgement that says that? If not, your writing can safely be ignored as not supported by facts. Allegations or conspiracy theories don't become facts just because a certain Amnesty Yugoslavia writes them!

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We have a high ranking court judge saying it. That's the fact, and it's not my writing, but facts as written by a UN appointed Judge!

A rare expert inside whistleblower analogous to Snowden who blew the whistle on illegal activities of NSA.

Most of us typical humans are capable of evaluating facts independently and discriminate good from evil without reliance on third party assessment. You must be frustrated as you are clearly not in this category of human intellect.

For example, and in contrast to you, the vast majority of reasonable humans who follow the details of NSA operations consider Snowden's revelations to be credible. They do not need a "court judgement" to perform such pedestrian discrimination, on their behalf. Similarly, the vast majority of reputable jurists who've followed the ICTY farce consider Harhoffs corroboration of ICTY's politically biased judgements to be credible.

I'm sorry that your limited mental capacity precludes you from performing such basic assessments. Your repeated reliance on third parties to assess credibility is certainly no surprise to me and other regular B92 commentators. We are consistent in not expecting elementary reasoning from a blind ICTY apologist.

Technically, it is very easy to solve the case. The place and time of the crime are known. Not in the woods, by strangers, but in the police station and MUP people. Vucic himself promised he would take care of this. Nothing has happened so far. Because murderers still govern in Serbia. The same kind of people who blow up buildings in Belgrade.

(icj1, 12 July 2016 21:52) Great, we are in agreement then that Harhoff is not God and therefore is not the holder of universal truth.
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You're the only one who questioned this point. If such juvenile mental masturbation helps you to agree with yourself, so be it.

(icj1, 12 July 2016 21:52) So you have no reference where a court judgement has established beyond reasonable doubt that "ICTY's job usurped justice and effected political decisions by Meron", whatever that means. So your writing can safely be ignored then as not supported by facts :)
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Fact: A UN appointed judge's writings unequivocally condemned the ICTY and its US president. That you and other ICTY apologists ignore this fact, is your problem.

(icj1, 12 July 2016 21:52) Oops sorry for confusing you with another "Amnesty Yugoslavia" who suggested that ICTY's job included solving murder cases in Serbia.
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You're a Reader who can't read. I never write those words. I did suggest the Butyqi family also direct their letter to the ICTY and ask the ICTY how 3 billion dollars were spent investigating alleged war crimes. Such a magnitude of resources should have included an investigation into their case (if not, why was it ignored?) and we'd be interested to see the direct evidence gathered by the ICTY's billions of dollars in investigation.

(icj1, 11 July 2016 21:37) Amnesty Yugoslavia or Harhoff are not God to establish universal truth.
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Harhoff was not hired as God.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 July 2016 06:23)

Great, we are in agreement then that Harhoff is not God and therefore is not the holder of universal truth.
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icj1 & ICTY rely on idiotic concepts such as “resonance doubt”, whatever that means. ICTY does not require direct evidence and uses hearsay and circumstantial evidence to fabricate inferences that fail reasonable doubt criterion.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 July 2016 06:23)

So you have no reference where a court judgement has established beyond reasonable doubt that "ICTY's job usurped justice and effected political decisions by Meron", whatever that means. So your writing can safely be ignored then as not supported by facts :)
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Dude, you’re using ICTY (il)logic and fabricating inferences. I never proposed ICTY become Serbia’s criminal court.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 July 2016 06:23)

Oops sorry for confusing you with another "Amnesty Yugoslavia" who suggested that ICTY's job included solving murder cases in Serbia (since Serbia's criminal justice system in incapable of solving them).

According to the ICTY's own judge Harhoff, it's job usurped justice and effected political decisions by Meron. All at a cost of 3 billion dollars. A "job" indeed.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 11 July 2016 07:11)

I have no doubt that according to a certain Amnesty Yugoslavia or Harhoff that is the case, but Amnesty Yugoslavia or Harhoff are not God to establish universal truth.

Please provide a reference where a court judgement has established beyond resonance doubt that "ICTY's job usurped justice and effected political decisions by Mero". Things don't become facts just because somebody says so!

In other words, if I were to tell you that you are a criminal, I hope you'd have a bit of self-respect and won't accept it just because somebody said so :)

The other thing that I find perplexing is that you are proposing ICTY to become Serbia's criminal court as if ICTY would do a better job than Serbia at that, while at the same time considering ICTY to be a failure. You have some challenges in logical thinking mate lol

So you have no reference where a court judgement has established beyond reasonable doubt that "ICTY's job usurped justice and effected political decisions by Meron", whatever that means. So your writing can safely be ignored then as not supported by facts :)
(icj1, 12 July 2016 21:52)

Fact: A UN appointed judge's writings unequivocally condemned the ICTY and its US president. That you and other ICTY apologists ignore this fact, is your problem.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 13 July 2016 02:38)

Nobody questioned the point that Harhoff "unequivocally condemned the ICTY and its US president", whatever that means. Indeed, I wrote already that "I have no doubt that according to a certain Amnesty Yugoslavia or Harhoff that is the case". But, if such juvenile mental masturbation helps you to agree with yourself, so be it :)

So, now the question is whether your writing that "ICTY's job usurped justice and effected political decisions by Meron" (whatever that means) is a fact established beyond reasonable doubt? Do you have a court judgement that says that? If not, your writing can safely be ignored as not supported by facts. Allegations or conspiracy theories don't become facts just because a certain Amnesty Yugoslavia writes them!

Oops sorry for confusing you with another "Amnesty Yugoslavia" who suggested that ICTY's job included solving murder cases in Serbia.
(icj1, 12 July 2016 21:52)

You're a Reader who can't read. I never write those words. I did suggest the Butyqi family also direct their letter to the ICTY and ask the ICTY how 3 billion dollars were spent investigating alleged war crimes. Such a magnitude of resources should have included an investigation into their case (if not, why was it ignored?)
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 13 July 2016 02:38)

It was ignored because ICTY is not Serbia's criminal court. Why should ICTY deal with the Butyqi murder and not with every murder that is committed in Serbia?! Unless, of course, you are suggesting that ICTY should become Serbia's criminal court.

I'm assuming you used your brain to think about the reasons supporting what you wrote, and you did not mention a random court, and the first one that came to your mind was ICTY given your obsession with it!

Come on mate, you are a distinguished legal expert, but even the Butyqi family appears to know more than you about which courts have jurisdiction to solve murder cases in Serbia lol

We have a high ranking court judge saying it. That's the fact, and it's not my writing
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 14 July 2016 21:46)

So far you have not quoted anything written by a high ranking court judge. It's only been your words lol
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but facts as written by a UN appointed Judge!
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 14 July 2016 21:46)

Which facts written by a UN appointed judge are you referring to? Just asking because there are many such facts written by UN appointed judges...
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Snowden who blew the whistle on illegal activities of NSA.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 14 July 2016 21:46)

Yes, and he provided evidence for some of the things that he alleged to have happened. So what's your point?
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Most of us typical humans are capable of evaluating facts independently and discriminate good from evil without reliance on third party assessment.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 14 July 2016 21:46)

So, you are excluding yourself from typical humans than lol
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For example, and in contrast to you, the vast majority of reasonable humans who follow the details of NSA operations consider Snowden's revelations to be credible.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 14 July 2016 21:46)

Not sure where the contrast is! But, anyway, please provide the evidence about the "vast majority of reasonable humans".

Similarly, the vast majority of reputable jurists who've followed the ICTY farce consider Harhoffs corroboration of ICTY's politically biased judgements to be credible.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 14 July 2016 21:46)

I have no doubt that, not just the vast majority, but 100% of the "reputable jurists" called "Amnesty Yugoslavia" are capable of considering credible anything written anywhere, even if there is not any evidence or fact supporting it.
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I'm sorry that your limited mental capacity precludes you from performing such basic assessments.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 14 July 2016 21:46)

You'd find few people, if any, who have the mental capacity to understand your mental masturbations, mate :)
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Your repeated reliance on third parties to assess credibility is certainly no surprise to me and other regular B92 commentators.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 14 July 2016 21:46)

Given that your evidence supporting what you write seldom is anything other than because you said so, I totally agree that it should not come as a surprise to anybody that few people, if any, would use anything but you to assess credibility!
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We are consistent in not expecting elementary reasoning from a blind ICTY apologist.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 14 July 2016 21:46)

Well, there is not much to reason about your mental masturbations, mate, so yes you are correct not to expect it lol

Killing unarmed Soldiers in captivity is called murder. Ever heard of Geneva Convention?!

Its exactely because this kind of backward thinking that Nato bombed you and the whole world remembers Serbia as the biggest warcriminal in europe since WWII.

Oh whatever. They weren't civilians. They traveled half way across the world to fight for a terrorist organization. They shouldn't have done that. And I don't buy that they were "escorting Roma's into Central Serbia". They were ethnically cleansing non-Albanians out of Kosovo-Metohija. They were combatants that were killed in action, the fact that they were American citizens shouldn't matter. Serbia's government is under pressure just for that fact alone.

Killing unarmed Soldiers in captivity is called murder. Ever heard of Geneva Convention?!
(Gjon Marku, 8 July 2016 17:27)

That's rich coming from someone who can't/won't tell the difference between civilians and paramilitary in Djakovica. It's also rich considering the dozens and dozens of incidents where Serb children, elderly, and other civilians have been killed in cold blooded murder in Kosovo since 1999.

That's the real violations. Pardon me if I don't reach for the tissue box over these three combatants.

You're all missing a key point. These 3 young men were not captured on a battlefield. The Kosovo war had been over for several weeks, when their car was stopped at a police checkpoint (they were driving a Roma neighbor from Prizren to Prokuplje, at his request) and the 3 were charged with a visa violation. For that violation, they were sentenced to a short jail term, which they served. When the 3 brothers exited the jail, they were kidnapped at the door by men driving a Serbian Interior Ministry car. They were taken to the police training ground at Petrovo Selo in eastern Serbia, where they were shot in the back of the head, their hands tied with wire, and their bodies were dumped in a mass grave. This was a crime, a cold-blooded act of murder committed in peacetime -- not an act of war.
(Observer, 8 July 2016 19:28)

How come you survived and wasn't killed ,since you where with them!!.
They where mercenaries,blackmarketiers and racketeers .You had to pay them money to get out of Kosovo!!.
I will get you tissues for the mercenaries that left a business to run ,and make money off ,poor Gypsies!!Please,cut it out .I know about them perfectly well,some people are Soooo naive and stupid.

That's rich coming from someone who can't/won't tell the difference between civilians and paramilitary in Djakovica. It's also rich considering the dozens and dozens of incidents where Serb children, elderly, and other civilians have been killed in cold blooded murder in Kosovo since 1999.

That's the real violations. Pardon me if I don't reach for the tissue box over these three combatants.
(Donkey Hoxha, 8 July 2016 21:07) # Comment link

The difference is, I dont want em dead, I want justice before anyone of them can return. You are celebrating the murder of unarmed captives.

No albanian on this site has ever spoken in favour of killing anyone. It sure shows what kind of inhumans you truly are. Actually, the more you comment, the more you prove my point.

Thank god, nato and kla we dont have to live with you anymore.

The truth

I knew the Bytyqi brothers to. Their uncles mother and my brothers sister went to school together. They admitted when caught that they had come to take the organs of captured serbs. This is the truth. You know why? Because I say so.

Wait a minute, am I missing something here? These men went to Serbia to kill Serbs. They themselves were killed. End of. They chose to go to a war zone, nobody made them go there. The fact that they happened to have US passports is neither here nor there. Those bleating for 'justice' on their behalf should consider the fate of countless Serb civilians murdered and missing during and after the conflict ended. Some of whom may have been killed by these thugs.

Killing unarmed Soldiers in captivity is called murder. Ever heard of Geneva Convention?!

Who told you Gjon , they where unarmed ?!!
Killing Soldiers in Battle is the risks you take,leaving there Pizza business to go and fight as mercenaries!.
Killed in a fierce battle is always POSSIBLE!.
P'S Leave the fully trained soldiers to go fight,and stay and run a pizzeria is the way to go!!

Killing unarmed Soldiers in captivity is called murder.

Gjon Marku

An unarmwd soilder! What was he fighting with? A slingshot?

When albanians start bringing in uck terrorists to justice will be the day. Serbia has done more than any other Balkan country.

You're all missing a key point. These 3 young men were not captured on a battlefield. The Kosovo war had been over for several weeks, when their car was stopped at a police checkpoint (they were driving a Roma neighbor from Prizren to Prokuplje, at his request) and the 3 were charged with a visa violation. For that violation, they were sentenced to a short jail term, which they served. When the 3 brothers exited the jail, they were kidnapped at the door by men driving a Serbian Interior Ministry car. They were taken to the police training ground at Petrovo Selo in eastern Serbia, where they were shot in the back of the head, their hands tied with wire, and their bodies were dumped in a mass grave. This was a crime, a cold-blooded act of murder committed in peacetime -- not an act of war.

combatants that were killed in action
(Ari Gold, 8 July 2016 15:10)
I don't think USA wants sympathy, only normal justice.

I dont think you undertand "killed in combat" means. These guys were tied and executed.
Perhaps some authorities reading your posts will decide you are a terrorist, they will come to your house and remove you to a police station.
They wont tell your family where they are taking you.
They will shoot you in the back of the head and take your body to a forest. They will take your ID papers and burn them and maybe cover your body with lime to help decomposition.
Would that be ok? It would not be OK by me, whether you are Albaina or Serb or a wanna-be terrorist.
Seems that you are ok with this as long as the victim is Albanian.

These three were idiots, there seems to be no doubt about that and maybe even terrorists, but its not up to some bored cop to decide who to executed and who is not.

You forgot to mention all the other civilians mentioned in the article.
If there were all terrorists and soldiers, how come Serbia was hiding the bodies and not one official in Serbia has the guts to stand up and say
"I ordered the execution of these 900 people because they are terrorists and here is my proof"

Serbia is still practicing State Terror coordinated in Russia and executed by top officials on all levels of its institutions. Just visit Preshev - nothing new.

Serbs are still racial prejudices towards ordinary citizens of former Yugoslavia - nothing new

Fact: Ordinary civilian Serbs in Kosovo could do whatever they wanted to Albanians. Be it, kick them out of their job (segregation), beat them on the street (aggravated assault), take their possession (robbing), evict them from their homes (exodus) and murder (ethnic cleansing) there were no court where Albanians could seek justice. Still going on today.

If those three brothers did violate any law of Serbia, they served the time. But they didn’t that’s why they were set free so fast: Court case state that the brothers were sentence for trespassing – nothing else.

Fact: Serbian NGO has evidence of thousands of cases, where Serbian civilian kidnapped people of the street Kosovë – drove them to military facilities around Serbia and sold them to the highest better. Belgrade and Skopje swarmed with Russian doctors in the ’90.

Bytyqi brothers, like thousands of others innocent people of Albanian, Croatian, Bosnian and Vlah decent, were victims of the State Terror Machine, victims of a hate so embedded so deep in Serbs that False flag terrorism still is a mean, killing their own babies - nothing new

There has never, dose not and will never exist a Neutral Serbia – Wake up people!

Pay to play man. You stop flipping pizzas to fly halfway around the world to play Rambo, you accept the consequences of getting killed. The US kills dozens of terrorists with US passports and doesn't shed one tear.

@ Ari,PEN&Jeff
I knew the Bytyqi brothers living and working in Long Island,NY. It is true they join KLA and fought when the famous battle took place in Koshare, and this is the end of it. They never entered Serbia armed and in uniforms. The war was over when Miloshevic capitulated , and they did travel as civilians from Kosova into Serbia proper. End of story guys, and stop making yourself fools.

Next, Americans who go to Syria to fight for Daesh and get killed will demand "justice" as well.

The Bytyqi bros (ethnic Albanian descent) were three of the many mercs who joined in this case the (KLA) war in Kosmet. They went there at their own risk and should have lost their US citizenship at once.

combatants that were killed in action
(Ari Gold, 8 July 2016 15:10)

I dont think you undertand "killed in combat" means. These guys were tied and executed.
(Dwight, 8 July 2016 18:13)

I think our dear friend Ari Gold is saying that, similarly to the thousands men and boys in Srebrenica, they tied themselves up as a dirty tactic against the heroic Serb soldiers. But the heroic Serbs caught them in the action on tying themselves up and killed them in action!

For anybody intrested in what really happened, I suggest you read the in-depth investigative article by Serbian Journalist Marija Ristic.
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/silence-shields-killers-of-albanian-americans-in-serbia-07-08-2016#.V4BzJl43z6c.facebook

No albanian on this site has ever spoken in favour of killing anyone.
(Gjon Marku, 8 July 2016 22:19)

LOL really? You're not reading past your own posts. Half the Albanians here either praise NATO bombs, Tudjman, or the Ustashe. But while we're on the subject of people getting killed after official conflict ceased, how's about we talk about all those Serb civilians in Kosovo that conveniently wound up murdered in all sorts of creative manners and not a single Albanian ever being caught? The worst this article shows is that there's some people within Serbia as low and despicable as you guys except these three brothers *were* combatants while the Serbs in Kosovo killed were civilians.

Bytyqi brothers case is not so different from tens of thousands killed or "dissappeared" by Serbian MUP or Serbian Army.

The fact they were killed in peacetime? Serbian MUP had killed many people in "peacetime".

Just another act of state terrorism. Business as usual for Milosevic Butcher & Co.

who cares. all fair in love and war. they lost lol

Why Not blame the court with the greatest resources? If a war crime or interethnic extra judicial mass murder occurred in 1999, then the ICTY, which had 10 000 - fold greater financial resources than local judiciaries, should have used a small fraction of its cumulative 3 billion dollar budget to provide us with the evidence.
Why aren't the signatories of this letter directing their rage at the ICTY judicial farce that squandered billions in resources on frivolous political witch-hunts and ignored actual war crimes?

Oh whatever. They weren't civilians. They traveled half way across the world to fight for a terrorist organization. They shouldn't have done that. And I don't buy that they were "escorting Roma's into Central Serbia". They were ethnically cleansing non-Albanians out of Kosovo-Metohija. They were combatants that were killed in action, the fact that they were American citizens shouldn't matter. Serbia's government is under pressure just for that fact alone.
(Ari Gold, 8 July 2016 15:10)

Where were you that day in question, Ari???

They look Kurdish.

Oh yes, the war is over. They are automatically 'civilians'. Just like the IRA are automatically civilians when then put down their guns to go to the pub.

a) terrorists
b) left american passports behind to hide origin
c) did not identify themselves or wore clothing identifying themselves as KLA
d) mission unknown - claimed they were going home, but what proof?

The Geneva Convention:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_combatant
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"apply in wars between two or more sovereign states".
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Article 4 of Third Geneva Convention does describe categories under which a person may be entitled to POW status, and there are other international treaties that deny lawful combatant status for mercenaries and children

The rules are of course different for the United States as anyone over the age of 12 and male is considered an "illegal enemy combatant" and can be killed on the spot, by a drone for example.

Why Not blame the court with the greatest resources? If a war crime or interethnic extra judicial mass murder occurred in 1999, then the ICTY, which had 10 000 - fold greater financial resources than local judiciaries, should have used a small fraction of its cumulative 3 billion dollar budget to provide us with the evidence.
Why aren't the signatories of this letter directing their rage at the ICTY judicial farce that squandered billions in resources on frivolous political witch-hunts and ignored actual war crimes?
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 9 July 2016 05:38)

I feel sorry mate that your obsession with ICTY does not let you sleep at night lol

ICTY has already provided the evidence about the war crimes and crimes against humanity that members of the Serb forces committed in Kosovo and convicted those responsible for the grave violations of international humanitarian law in Kosovo. So ICTY has done its job.

As for the murder of the Bytyqi brothers, that is not something that is under ICTY's jurisdiction. But if you want ICTY to become Serbia's criminal court because Serbia's courts are a failure, please feel free to ask the UNSC to change ICTY's statute and make that happen.

LOL really? You're not reading past your own posts. Half the Albanians here either praise NATO bombs, Tudjman, or the Ustashe. But while we're on the subject of people getting killed after official conflict ceased, how's about we talk about all those Serb civilians in Kosovo that conveniently wound up murdered in all sorts of creative manners and not a single Albanian ever being caught? The worst this article shows is that there's some people within Serbia as low and despicable as you guys except these three brothers *were* combatants while the Serbs in Kosovo killed were civilians.
(Donkey Hoxha, 10 July 2016 07:51)

Albanians, Nato bombing, Tudjman, Ustashe, killed Serb civilains... Did you use a Slobo Quote Generator for your comment. Most things are not even related to one another nor to what I said or to what the article is all about.

Everything you just commented is proving my point. Still the same delusional paranoia from Slobo brainwash. Its all just in your head. You wont find any comment from an albanian praising the dead of unarmed captives. You are just implying something based on your twisted mind. Even the Nato bombing was not our choice, it was your choice. You were given time to retreat and stop the aggression. No one wanted the war, you choose for war. All you had to do was accept that Kosovo does not want to stay with you anymore. Here we are now. The outcome was inevitable, the war was unnecessary.

Terrorists does not deserve justice, that fought against their own country.
Those self called intellectuals, obviously are not interested in justice for civilians killed for organs.

Wow! They were killed? They should be in prison for life, but USA would set them free. So, someone thought this is second best thing. Big deal, dead terrorists! What about countless Serb victims? They look as nasty bunch.

So ICTY has done its job. (icj1, 10 July 2016 21:34)

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According to the ICTY's own judge Harhoff, it's job usurped justice and effected political decisions by Meron. All at a cost of 3 billion dollars. A "job" indeed.

According to the ICTY's own judge Harhoff, it's job usurped justice and effected political decisions by Meron. All at a cost of 3 billion dollars. A "job" indeed.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 11 July 2016 07:11)

I have no doubt that according to a certain Amnesty Yugoslavia or Harhoff that is the case, but Amnesty Yugoslavia or Harhoff are not God to establish universal truth.

Please provide a reference where a court judgement has established beyond resonance doubt that "ICTY's job usurped justice and effected political decisions by Mero". Things don't become facts just because somebody says so!

In other words, if I were to tell you that you are a criminal, I hope you'd have a bit of self-respect and won't accept it just because somebody said so :)

The other thing that I find perplexing is that you are proposing ICTY to become Serbia's criminal court as if ICTY would do a better job than Serbia at that, while at the same time considering ICTY to be a failure. You have some challenges in logical thinking mate lol

(icj1, 11 July 2016 21:37) Amnesty Yugoslavia or Harhoff are not God to establish universal truth.
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Harhoff was not hired as God.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 July 2016 06:23)

Great, we are in agreement then that Harhoff is not God and therefore is not the holder of universal truth.
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icj1 & ICTY rely on idiotic concepts such as “resonance doubt”, whatever that means. ICTY does not require direct evidence and uses hearsay and circumstantial evidence to fabricate inferences that fail reasonable doubt criterion.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 July 2016 06:23)

So you have no reference where a court judgement has established beyond reasonable doubt that "ICTY's job usurped justice and effected political decisions by Meron", whatever that means. So your writing can safely be ignored then as not supported by facts :)
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Dude, you’re using ICTY (il)logic and fabricating inferences. I never proposed ICTY become Serbia’s criminal court.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 July 2016 06:23)

Oops sorry for confusing you with another "Amnesty Yugoslavia" who suggested that ICTY's job included solving murder cases in Serbia (since Serbia's criminal justice system in incapable of solving them).

(icj1, 12 July 2016 21:52) Great, we are in agreement then that Harhoff is not God and therefore is not the holder of universal truth.
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You're the only one who questioned this point. If such juvenile mental masturbation helps you to agree with yourself, so be it.

(icj1, 12 July 2016 21:52) So you have no reference where a court judgement has established beyond reasonable doubt that "ICTY's job usurped justice and effected political decisions by Meron", whatever that means. So your writing can safely be ignored then as not supported by facts :)
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Fact: A UN appointed judge's writings unequivocally condemned the ICTY and its US president. That you and other ICTY apologists ignore this fact, is your problem.

(icj1, 12 July 2016 21:52) Oops sorry for confusing you with another "Amnesty Yugoslavia" who suggested that ICTY's job included solving murder cases in Serbia.
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You're a Reader who can't read. I never write those words. I did suggest the Butyqi family also direct their letter to the ICTY and ask the ICTY how 3 billion dollars were spent investigating alleged war crimes. Such a magnitude of resources should have included an investigation into their case (if not, why was it ignored?) and we'd be interested to see the direct evidence gathered by the ICTY's billions of dollars in investigation.

Technically, it is very easy to solve the case. The place and time of the crime are known. Not in the woods, by strangers, but in the police station and MUP people. Vucic himself promised he would take care of this. Nothing has happened so far. Because murderers still govern in Serbia. The same kind of people who blow up buildings in Belgrade.

(icj1, 11 July 2016 21:37) Amnesty Yugoslavia or Harhoff are not God to establish universal truth.
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Harhoff was not hired as God. He was appointed to judge crime in the former YU. As a high-ranking whistle-blower he simply corroborated ICTY’s overt political prejudice, explained its motive for abandoning standards of evidence, jurisprudence and logical reasoning.

(icj1, 11 July 2016 21:37) Please provide a reference where a court judgement has established beyond resonance doubt that "ICTY's job usurped justice and effected political decisions by Mero(n)".
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icj1 & ICTY rely on idiotic concepts such as “resonance doubt”, whatever that means. ICTY does not require direct evidence and uses hearsay and circumstantial evidence to fabricate inferences that fail reasonable doubt criterion.

(icj1, 11 July 2016 21:37) The other thing that I find perplexing is that you are proposing ICTY to become Serbia's criminal court.
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Dude, you’re using ICTY (il)logic and fabricating inferences. I never proposed ICTY become Serbia’s criminal court. The ICTY farce was (past tense) responsible for investigating war crimes. 3 billion dollars should have been sufficient resources to investigate the Bytyqi case, particularly as many of the area’s police and judicial institutions were targeted and destroyed by NATO in 1999. Bytyqi's should ask where are 3 billion dollars worth of (direct) evidence, and why was it not transferred to the re-established local courts?

So you have no reference where a court judgement has established beyond reasonable doubt that "ICTY's job usurped justice and effected political decisions by Meron", whatever that means. So your writing can safely be ignored then as not supported by facts :)
(icj1, 12 July 2016 21:52)

Fact: A UN appointed judge's writings unequivocally condemned the ICTY and its US president. That you and other ICTY apologists ignore this fact, is your problem.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 13 July 2016 02:38)

Nobody questioned the point that Harhoff "unequivocally condemned the ICTY and its US president", whatever that means. Indeed, I wrote already that "I have no doubt that according to a certain Amnesty Yugoslavia or Harhoff that is the case". But, if such juvenile mental masturbation helps you to agree with yourself, so be it :)

So, now the question is whether your writing that "ICTY's job usurped justice and effected political decisions by Meron" (whatever that means) is a fact established beyond reasonable doubt? Do you have a court judgement that says that? If not, your writing can safely be ignored as not supported by facts. Allegations or conspiracy theories don't become facts just because a certain Amnesty Yugoslavia writes them!

Oops sorry for confusing you with another "Amnesty Yugoslavia" who suggested that ICTY's job included solving murder cases in Serbia.
(icj1, 12 July 2016 21:52)

You're a Reader who can't read. I never write those words. I did suggest the Butyqi family also direct their letter to the ICTY and ask the ICTY how 3 billion dollars were spent investigating alleged war crimes. Such a magnitude of resources should have included an investigation into their case (if not, why was it ignored?)
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 13 July 2016 02:38)

It was ignored because ICTY is not Serbia's criminal court. Why should ICTY deal with the Butyqi murder and not with every murder that is committed in Serbia?! Unless, of course, you are suggesting that ICTY should become Serbia's criminal court.

I'm assuming you used your brain to think about the reasons supporting what you wrote, and you did not mention a random court, and the first one that came to your mind was ICTY given your obsession with it!

Come on mate, you are a distinguished legal expert, but even the Butyqi family appears to know more than you about which courts have jurisdiction to solve murder cases in Serbia lol

(icj1, 14 July 2016 15:13) Do you have a court judgement that says that? If not, your writing can safely be ignored as not supported by facts. Allegations or conspiracy theories don't become facts just because a certain Amnesty Yugoslavia writes them!

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We have a high ranking court judge saying it. That's the fact, and it's not my writing, but facts as written by a UN appointed Judge!

A rare expert inside whistleblower analogous to Snowden who blew the whistle on illegal activities of NSA.

Most of us typical humans are capable of evaluating facts independently and discriminate good from evil without reliance on third party assessment. You must be frustrated as you are clearly not in this category of human intellect.

For example, and in contrast to you, the vast majority of reasonable humans who follow the details of NSA operations consider Snowden's revelations to be credible. They do not need a "court judgement" to perform such pedestrian discrimination, on their behalf. Similarly, the vast majority of reputable jurists who've followed the ICTY farce consider Harhoffs corroboration of ICTY's politically biased judgements to be credible.

I'm sorry that your limited mental capacity precludes you from performing such basic assessments. Your repeated reliance on third parties to assess credibility is certainly no surprise to me and other regular B92 commentators. We are consistent in not expecting elementary reasoning from a blind ICTY apologist.

We have a high ranking court judge saying it. That's the fact, and it's not my writing
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 14 July 2016 21:46)

So far you have not quoted anything written by a high ranking court judge. It's only been your words lol
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but facts as written by a UN appointed Judge!
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 14 July 2016 21:46)

Which facts written by a UN appointed judge are you referring to? Just asking because there are many such facts written by UN appointed judges...
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Snowden who blew the whistle on illegal activities of NSA.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 14 July 2016 21:46)

Yes, and he provided evidence for some of the things that he alleged to have happened. So what's your point?
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Most of us typical humans are capable of evaluating facts independently and discriminate good from evil without reliance on third party assessment.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 14 July 2016 21:46)

So, you are excluding yourself from typical humans than lol
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For example, and in contrast to you, the vast majority of reasonable humans who follow the details of NSA operations consider Snowden's revelations to be credible.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 14 July 2016 21:46)

Not sure where the contrast is! But, anyway, please provide the evidence about the "vast majority of reasonable humans".

Similarly, the vast majority of reputable jurists who've followed the ICTY farce consider Harhoffs corroboration of ICTY's politically biased judgements to be credible.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 14 July 2016 21:46)

I have no doubt that, not just the vast majority, but 100% of the "reputable jurists" called "Amnesty Yugoslavia" are capable of considering credible anything written anywhere, even if there is not any evidence or fact supporting it.
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I'm sorry that your limited mental capacity precludes you from performing such basic assessments.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 14 July 2016 21:46)

You'd find few people, if any, who have the mental capacity to understand your mental masturbations, mate :)
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Your repeated reliance on third parties to assess credibility is certainly no surprise to me and other regular B92 commentators.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 14 July 2016 21:46)

Given that your evidence supporting what you write seldom is anything other than because you said so, I totally agree that it should not come as a surprise to anybody that few people, if any, would use anything but you to assess credibility!
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We are consistent in not expecting elementary reasoning from a blind ICTY apologist.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 14 July 2016 21:46)

Well, there is not much to reason about your mental masturbations, mate, so yes you are correct not to expect it lol

The primary reference to mental masturbation was icj1's argument with himself/herself that Harhoff and Amnesty Yugoslavia are not God. Notably, the only person who argued this pint was icj1.

Harhoff is not a God, but he is a UN vetted and appointed judge who exposed corruption at the highest level.
icj1 denies this fact.
icj1 denies ICTY's decades of farcical processes such as the Seselj indictment, trial, and verdict, and now on going appeals, all of which have been completely mocked by legal experts and analysts worldwide.
icj1's denial of these sea of facts exposes the ocean of seminal fluid between his ears and that, like his blind ICTY love, has impaired his capacity in basic reasoning.