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Monday, 27.06.2016.

09:03

"Britain may not leave EU despite referendum"

Despite <a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world.php?yyyy=2016&mm=06&dd=24&nav_id=98416" class="text-link" target= "_blank">a referendum last week</a> when citizens voted in favor of their country no longer being an EU member, Britain may never trigger the proceedings to leave.

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Dwight

pre 7 godina

Until Article 50 is triggered the UK is a full member of the EU and all current agreements apply.
However, the other EU members will pressure UK to make a final decision as they will not want to deal with someone who is soon leaving.
The EU has accepted that this will be done by the next Prime Minister. A point to make about this is that the EU has accepted that the referendum was not a decision and that Article 50 is the only way to make that decision.

Current opinion in law is that an Act of Parliament is need to trigger Article 50, which I think is a majority vote by members in both House of Commons and House of Lords, the PM cannot override this.

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

Of course its speculation, just like you writing all will be fine, nothing will change is speculation. I merely speculated on the worst case scenario, you it seems to me don't even wish to entertain it, thus giving the impression that there is no plan

William UK

pre 7 godina

All speculation Nikolle, no new leader is going to take the UK down a slippery slope. It has been announced that it will be a slow process so you can speculate as much as you want. Borders will remain open and no one will be forced to leave. Nothing much is going to change over the next two of years and the major change is moving control back to Westminster.

Zoran

pre 7 godina

I'm just glad that "project fear" is coming to an end. The whole remain campaign was based on fear mongering and scaring people into voting remain but I'm glad the leavers saw right through it and decided to give the EU the middle finger... in a nice way, no hard feelings - in a thanks but no thanks kind of way.

So yes, "project fear" is still alive but fortunately dying out... we are hearing... Scotland will leave, NI will leave, blah blah... they won't and soon the UK will be a free and sovereign country again. The EU on the other hand is facing some serious problems as the call for Neexit, Frexit and other become louder.

Free

pre 7 godina

After the "triumph" of UK taking back (out of) control of their country i`d like to see Finns or Slovaks vote Out.

Especially the Finns, bordering with Russia.

UK was the fiercest opponent of EU. Now they`re Out. They don`t have a vote.

But they still want to be part of the Single Market which means they have to obey all EU rules (like Norway and Switzerland do) including free movement of goods and services and free movement of labour force, and all the payments like all the members of Single Market.


If you think that obeying the common laws and common rules is anti-democratic you can vote OUT and join the Euroasian Economic Union and become a full member of Democratic People`s Republics Club with Khazakstan, Belarus under the protection of Holy Mother Russia.

And if some day you want to leave Democratic People`s Republic Club you might find some very democratic Russian tanks in your capital.

rote

pre 7 godina

Two idiots overplayed themselves recently. Both plying fire games with EU membership. One of the idiots spoke good Russian and bad Ukrainian. The other speaks good English. The tragedy is that heads of states most often prefer their own interests to the interests of their peoples. Ask Vucic or Thaci if you dout.

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

That's not why I suspect there will be another referendum, once the ramifications to the UK of this are seen, the climate, in my opinion anyway,is bound to change. I have read today already that if the SNP, in alliance with N.I. & Gibralter, can't block this in Westminster, they WILL hold a referendum on Scottish independence. Should the Republic of Ireland comply with EU customs law, borders will be put up, not sure how this would go down with the Catholic community in N.I. I admit that this is the worst case scenario for Leave, but the more I look at this, the more a hollow victory this seems for Enlgish nationalism.
As for having Boris Johnson as PM, if I'm not mistaken, this is someone who's had to apologise to 6 different countries and people for his comments. Bad idea to have him lead you

William UK

pre 7 godina

There is no plan. Nigal Farage, one of the main leave campaigners isn't even in government. No one is rushing into anything and the transition will take place no sooner than two years. David Cameron has resigned and we need a new pro-leave conservative leader, most likely to be Boris Johnson in October. We can then start to move forward.

As for another referendum, highly doubtful otherwise there will be unrest in the UK. What are you saying? Keep having a referendum until you get the desired result? Maybe in the EU but not in Britain.

William UK

pre 7 godina

No one really cares for the insults, it will all be forgotten once the dust settles and everyone is ready to negotiate. The real issues will be discussed, not who poked who in the eye during campaigning. Maybe it's different in Turkey and Albania but I have confidence that our politicians are mature enough to overcome such issues.

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

@William UK

It seems to me, you're not aware of any plan that the Leave side have. Once the dust settle, we move on, all be fine...nothing concrete there or coherent. How long will it take for the dust to settle? For as long as the UK does not trigger Article 50, the current arrangements apply, meaning, continuing contributions to EU budget, free movement of people, 2 things that were promised to be taken under control. Already the EU has ruled out informal discussions on the terms of the exit, they want you to trigger the Article first and this is the point, UK's negotiating position is compromised. They are not letting you set the terms, so really, Leave side never had any plan, which is why I expect that there will be another referendum

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

"Who cares Nikolle?" You should care because these people will seek to negotiate an amicable exit on your behalf, which according to you, means keeping what is good about being in the EU. You're already on a loss by hurling abuse at those you will need to come to terms with, whose club you want to leave but who's benefits you want to keep.

Giuseppe

pre 7 godina

The main point is how did the Albanians manage to sell their services to a half billion people market without being a EU country either! And if Albanians succeeded why shouldn't GB succeed? Maybe Nikolle will want to enlighten us on this? Let's speak about practical issues I say so we can help each other through these tough times.

William UK

pre 7 godina

Who cares Nikolle? Everyone compares their opponents to Hitler these days. It's the norm and if a politician or leader can't move forward because of insults, they won't last very long. Everything will settle soon enough.

Bob

pre 7 godina

It's a shock for the remain camp that their arguments do not persuade such a large proportion of the population.

The leavers are not against the EU, they are against the EU ruling in Britain.

Britain is a strong country that can do even better outside of the EU than within.

The negativity is unhealthy, but normality will resume after the initial shocks. There are exciting futures ahead for those within, and for those outside of the EU.

Roger7

pre 7 godina

I can assure you that EU will work out a deal with Scotland and Northern Ireland considering the majority of voters in both voted to 'Remain".
(EU, 27 June 2016 10:35)

An expert, are you, who suffers delusions of power and importance?

Who are you to speak for the megalomaniacs in Brussels?

William UK

pre 7 godina

There are a lot of hot heads at the moment, especially after the fear campaign of remain - i.e. leave and the world will end. Everyone in leave is just quietly waiting for the hot heads to cool down and the dust to settle. We will have to start thinking of how to transition out of the EU soon in uncharted water and there is no choice but to make it a smooth process considering that Scotland is on our backs. There is no rush. How it looks after the transition is anybody's guess. Who knows, Scotland could retain strong links to the EU and UK. There are lots of questions, lots of speculation and everything is up for negotiation except power must return to Westminster. That is what the people wanted.

Personally, I don't think much will change for the average person, life will continue as normal. The important issues will be addressed, like return of power to Westminster, immigration and spending. That's it.

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

I am just curious to know how you think Britain can keep what is good about the EU, considering that those on the leave side have used really toxic language about a union they will need to discuss a separation with. I mean, did they not realise that comparing the EU to Hitler is not good for their future negotiating position?

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

"Do not worry, the UK will leave the EU but it will be a smooth and slow process whereby we will keep the good aspects..."

Which ones? Put yourself in the negotiating position of those in the EU, would you play nice with diplomats of a country that accused the Union of having similar goals to Hitler, accused it of being a dictatorship and blamed its citizens for the social ills perceived to be suffered by the leaving state?

sj

pre 7 godina

(EU, 27 June 2016 10:35)

I am only passing on what I have heard from very good sources about the grievances of Brits. The only income from Scotland is oil, whiskey and some tourism. That’s it.
As far as the UK feeding Serbia, I was there last year and I doubt that since Serbia can feed itself without any trouble, however, Kosovo is high in those stakes, but the UK did recognise it so tough luck.
All Serb politicians sing the same EU song because they get paid for that, but I seriously doubt that Serbia will ever join. Regardless, the EU of tomorrow will never be the same. Its gone. The best is a kind of loose confederation.
Scotland and NI on their own are basket cases. Ask any first year economics student.

William UK

pre 7 godina

On the topic of Corbyn and the Labour party, the resignations of the shadow ministers is a positive development. Corbyn always needed to clean up the party and remove the ex-Blairites. What we have seen this weekend is self removal. This is a blessing for the party and Corbyn has indicated, with strength and backing from the rest of the party, that he is staying.

Labour will be clean and Corbyn will lead the party into victory at the next elections. Hopefully he will see Tony Blair locked up as a war criminal also with a chance, small as it seems, removing the UK from NATO. After Brexit, anything is possible.

For anyone who thinks another referendum is possible, hahaha, keep dreaming. What that actually translates into is, hey, we didn't get the result we wanted so lets just ignore democracy and keep voting until we get the result we want. That is not democracy, that is the system the EU follows and that is the reason the EU is failing. It has essentially ignored democracy and the will of the people.

EU

pre 7 godina

@SJ

EU has been feeding many poor countries in Eastern Europe including your motherland Serbia. I doubt Serbia or her neighbors who are trying to get on the ship can match up the contribution Scotland is capable of doing for EU. I can assure you that EU will work out a deal with Scotland and Northern Ireland considering the majority of voters in both voted to 'Remain".

sj

pre 7 godina

Scotland will not be able to do that as you dont ignore a majority vote. If Scotland decides to leave then it goes at a time when oil prices are less than $50 per barrel compared when they voted last time it was over $100. So all the EU will get is another poor mouth to feed.

Northern Ireland is different as it can join the rest of Ireland, but they would join a banana republic and it could be even worse.

William UK

pre 7 godina

It will take a couple of weeks for the dust to settle, market volatility was always expected and a weak pound is not such a bad thing. Until the dust settles, the remain camp will be in a self-destructive mode, wanting the world to end so they can say "I told you so".

This is not going to happen, the leave camp will make sure Britain stays a democratic country and that the will of the nation based on the results of the referendum is respected. Nearly everything you hear now is pure speculation based on uncontrolled emotions of the losing remain camp. This is obvious even in the comments below.

Do not worry, the UK will leave the EU but it will be a smooth and slow process whereby we will keep the good aspects while control of the country is returned to Westminster.

The EU, on the other hand, should start to focus on reform and drop this idea of centralising the union, thus forcing member states to give up sovereignty which no one agreed to. Otherwise Brexit is just the beginning. Austria, France, Netherlands and more will have a similar vote and you can kiss the EU goodbye. Forget about Britain, it is gone, focus on saving the EU.

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

EU has been feeding many poor countries in Eastern Europe (EU, 27 June 2016 10:35)

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EU has been preventing poorer countries from feeding themselves. The sabotaging of the south stream pipeline, while maintaining and expanding north stream volume and control, is an example of the duplicity and dishonesty of the EU.

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

@ Andy

My sentiments exactly. This vote it seems to me has put the future of the UK at risk. Scotland will most likely go, however, the prospect of renewed conflict in Northern Ireland is what sways it for me. The Republic of Ireland is bound by EU customs law and bordering a state not a member of the EU raises the possibility of border control and how much resentment this will cause in the Catholic community in NI is worth considering. Undoubtedly it will bring up all sorts of tales about the English and Protestants making decisions for them that go against their interests. Whatever I think of Cameron, he was smart enough to realise that triggering Article 50, would be suicidal for his legacy, though that is now negative in any case. I do not think that either Gove or Johnson were expecting him to resign and not press ahead with it.
Another thing, if the UK really go ahead with this, they try and get someone like Keneth Clarke to do it (though he would probably not agree), and not anyone like Johnson or Gove, one of whom has compared the EU to Hitler and the other to a dictatorship and both of whom have indirectly blamed EU citizens for the alleged ills that many in Britain feel they are suffering. I do not think the EU would want to play nice with those two.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Yes because democracy is only favored by the elites when they approve of the result. What a cowardly betrayal of Britain's national interests and democratic will if their government doesn't go through with this. Andy, a few establishment political parties in turmoil is not a bad thing. My what contempt you have for your own country that you would care more about the interests of the EU and a few of your governing elite over the desires of the ordinary person who voted in majority for LEAVE.

Anyone who is so frightened of taking control of their own country is nothing more than a spineless coward. You lost the referendum, quick you bi*ching, except democracy and get on with your life. I promise you will see that after decades of EU brainwashing, the sky will still stand and the sun will still come out every morning. Give sovereignty a chance.

EU

pre 7 godina

@Andy

I have seen reports that many people voted to "Leave" did it far more out of frustration. A second referendum is a hot topic as we speak, I think if it does take place again, "Remain" will win votes to stay out in EU with flying colors.

Those that did vote to leave, never really thought this through, and now they see the mistake they have made to leave E.U. I still cannot understand why anyone would vote to leave one of the greatest Unions that has ever existed. Is E.U. perfect? Absolutely not, sure there room for improvement, but to just vote out and leave is not a promising future for British citizens either. Majority of Scottish, and Irish voted to remain. E.U. may work a deal with Scotland and N.I. to let them remain in EU. This is what happens when you think bad cannot get worse.

Andy UK

pre 7 godina

The UK is in complete turmoil. No one knows what is going on. Some people who voted out are now saying they didn't realise the implications or that they only did it as a protest.Cameron has resigned and wants nothing more to do with it and those who led the out campaign have all gone quiet as they are now nervous about the whole thing and no one wants to be the leader that actually gives the order to leave the EU.Labour is led by a regressive left leader who most of the party hate and is completely unelectable. His support is made of bleeding heart upper class posh kids and half of his cabinet have resigned in protest and a leadership election looks certain.Scotland will vote to leave if it goes ahead and Northern Ireland runs the risk of exploding into violence as there is already talk of a vote for a united Ireland if the UK leaves.There's also talk of big companies leaving the UK and the pound is already in freefall along with the markets.I wouldn't be surprised if the UK ends up staying as if we leave it will destroy the country.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 7 godina

As according to Prophesy - about EUs 12 Initial Members this will happen -

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Esdras+11&version=CEB

Comment - 12 fethered wings-The Initial 12 Members/Three Heads-Three Future leaders of EU/From the Sea-from the Sea of Peoples(Heathen)/The Lion- The Anointed(Christian One)).

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Esdras+12&version=CEB

Serbia will never ever be a Member of EU.

Arn.Sweden.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Yes because democracy is only favored by the elites when they approve of the result. What a cowardly betrayal of Britain's national interests and democratic will if their government doesn't go through with this. Andy, a few establishment political parties in turmoil is not a bad thing. My what contempt you have for your own country that you would care more about the interests of the EU and a few of your governing elite over the desires of the ordinary person who voted in majority for LEAVE.

Anyone who is so frightened of taking control of their own country is nothing more than a spineless coward. You lost the referendum, quick you bi*ching, except democracy and get on with your life. I promise you will see that after decades of EU brainwashing, the sky will still stand and the sun will still come out every morning. Give sovereignty a chance.

EU

pre 7 godina

@SJ

EU has been feeding many poor countries in Eastern Europe including your motherland Serbia. I doubt Serbia or her neighbors who are trying to get on the ship can match up the contribution Scotland is capable of doing for EU. I can assure you that EU will work out a deal with Scotland and Northern Ireland considering the majority of voters in both voted to 'Remain".

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

EU has been feeding many poor countries in Eastern Europe (EU, 27 June 2016 10:35)

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EU has been preventing poorer countries from feeding themselves. The sabotaging of the south stream pipeline, while maintaining and expanding north stream volume and control, is an example of the duplicity and dishonesty of the EU.

sj

pre 7 godina

(EU, 27 June 2016 10:35)

I am only passing on what I have heard from very good sources about the grievances of Brits. The only income from Scotland is oil, whiskey and some tourism. That’s it.
As far as the UK feeding Serbia, I was there last year and I doubt that since Serbia can feed itself without any trouble, however, Kosovo is high in those stakes, but the UK did recognise it so tough luck.
All Serb politicians sing the same EU song because they get paid for that, but I seriously doubt that Serbia will ever join. Regardless, the EU of tomorrow will never be the same. Its gone. The best is a kind of loose confederation.
Scotland and NI on their own are basket cases. Ask any first year economics student.

William UK

pre 7 godina

It will take a couple of weeks for the dust to settle, market volatility was always expected and a weak pound is not such a bad thing. Until the dust settles, the remain camp will be in a self-destructive mode, wanting the world to end so they can say "I told you so".

This is not going to happen, the leave camp will make sure Britain stays a democratic country and that the will of the nation based on the results of the referendum is respected. Nearly everything you hear now is pure speculation based on uncontrolled emotions of the losing remain camp. This is obvious even in the comments below.

Do not worry, the UK will leave the EU but it will be a smooth and slow process whereby we will keep the good aspects while control of the country is returned to Westminster.

The EU, on the other hand, should start to focus on reform and drop this idea of centralising the union, thus forcing member states to give up sovereignty which no one agreed to. Otherwise Brexit is just the beginning. Austria, France, Netherlands and more will have a similar vote and you can kiss the EU goodbye. Forget about Britain, it is gone, focus on saving the EU.

Andy UK

pre 7 godina

The UK is in complete turmoil. No one knows what is going on. Some people who voted out are now saying they didn't realise the implications or that they only did it as a protest.Cameron has resigned and wants nothing more to do with it and those who led the out campaign have all gone quiet as they are now nervous about the whole thing and no one wants to be the leader that actually gives the order to leave the EU.Labour is led by a regressive left leader who most of the party hate and is completely unelectable. His support is made of bleeding heart upper class posh kids and half of his cabinet have resigned in protest and a leadership election looks certain.Scotland will vote to leave if it goes ahead and Northern Ireland runs the risk of exploding into violence as there is already talk of a vote for a united Ireland if the UK leaves.There's also talk of big companies leaving the UK and the pound is already in freefall along with the markets.I wouldn't be surprised if the UK ends up staying as if we leave it will destroy the country.

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

@ Andy

My sentiments exactly. This vote it seems to me has put the future of the UK at risk. Scotland will most likely go, however, the prospect of renewed conflict in Northern Ireland is what sways it for me. The Republic of Ireland is bound by EU customs law and bordering a state not a member of the EU raises the possibility of border control and how much resentment this will cause in the Catholic community in NI is worth considering. Undoubtedly it will bring up all sorts of tales about the English and Protestants making decisions for them that go against their interests. Whatever I think of Cameron, he was smart enough to realise that triggering Article 50, would be suicidal for his legacy, though that is now negative in any case. I do not think that either Gove or Johnson were expecting him to resign and not press ahead with it.
Another thing, if the UK really go ahead with this, they try and get someone like Keneth Clarke to do it (though he would probably not agree), and not anyone like Johnson or Gove, one of whom has compared the EU to Hitler and the other to a dictatorship and both of whom have indirectly blamed EU citizens for the alleged ills that many in Britain feel they are suffering. I do not think the EU would want to play nice with those two.

William UK

pre 7 godina

On the topic of Corbyn and the Labour party, the resignations of the shadow ministers is a positive development. Corbyn always needed to clean up the party and remove the ex-Blairites. What we have seen this weekend is self removal. This is a blessing for the party and Corbyn has indicated, with strength and backing from the rest of the party, that he is staying.

Labour will be clean and Corbyn will lead the party into victory at the next elections. Hopefully he will see Tony Blair locked up as a war criminal also with a chance, small as it seems, removing the UK from NATO. After Brexit, anything is possible.

For anyone who thinks another referendum is possible, hahaha, keep dreaming. What that actually translates into is, hey, we didn't get the result we wanted so lets just ignore democracy and keep voting until we get the result we want. That is not democracy, that is the system the EU follows and that is the reason the EU is failing. It has essentially ignored democracy and the will of the people.

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

"Do not worry, the UK will leave the EU but it will be a smooth and slow process whereby we will keep the good aspects..."

Which ones? Put yourself in the negotiating position of those in the EU, would you play nice with diplomats of a country that accused the Union of having similar goals to Hitler, accused it of being a dictatorship and blamed its citizens for the social ills perceived to be suffered by the leaving state?

Giuseppe

pre 7 godina

The main point is how did the Albanians manage to sell their services to a half billion people market without being a EU country either! And if Albanians succeeded why shouldn't GB succeed? Maybe Nikolle will want to enlighten us on this? Let's speak about practical issues I say so we can help each other through these tough times.

William UK

pre 7 godina

No one really cares for the insults, it will all be forgotten once the dust settles and everyone is ready to negotiate. The real issues will be discussed, not who poked who in the eye during campaigning. Maybe it's different in Turkey and Albania but I have confidence that our politicians are mature enough to overcome such issues.

William UK

pre 7 godina

There is no plan. Nigal Farage, one of the main leave campaigners isn't even in government. No one is rushing into anything and the transition will take place no sooner than two years. David Cameron has resigned and we need a new pro-leave conservative leader, most likely to be Boris Johnson in October. We can then start to move forward.

As for another referendum, highly doubtful otherwise there will be unrest in the UK. What are you saying? Keep having a referendum until you get the desired result? Maybe in the EU but not in Britain.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 7 godina

As according to Prophesy - about EUs 12 Initial Members this will happen -

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Esdras+11&version=CEB

Comment - 12 fethered wings-The Initial 12 Members/Three Heads-Three Future leaders of EU/From the Sea-from the Sea of Peoples(Heathen)/The Lion- The Anointed(Christian One)).

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Esdras+12&version=CEB

Serbia will never ever be a Member of EU.

Arn.Sweden.

sj

pre 7 godina

Scotland will not be able to do that as you dont ignore a majority vote. If Scotland decides to leave then it goes at a time when oil prices are less than $50 per barrel compared when they voted last time it was over $100. So all the EU will get is another poor mouth to feed.

Northern Ireland is different as it can join the rest of Ireland, but they would join a banana republic and it could be even worse.

William UK

pre 7 godina

There are a lot of hot heads at the moment, especially after the fear campaign of remain - i.e. leave and the world will end. Everyone in leave is just quietly waiting for the hot heads to cool down and the dust to settle. We will have to start thinking of how to transition out of the EU soon in uncharted water and there is no choice but to make it a smooth process considering that Scotland is on our backs. There is no rush. How it looks after the transition is anybody's guess. Who knows, Scotland could retain strong links to the EU and UK. There are lots of questions, lots of speculation and everything is up for negotiation except power must return to Westminster. That is what the people wanted.

Personally, I don't think much will change for the average person, life will continue as normal. The important issues will be addressed, like return of power to Westminster, immigration and spending. That's it.

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

I am just curious to know how you think Britain can keep what is good about the EU, considering that those on the leave side have used really toxic language about a union they will need to discuss a separation with. I mean, did they not realise that comparing the EU to Hitler is not good for their future negotiating position?

Roger7

pre 7 godina

I can assure you that EU will work out a deal with Scotland and Northern Ireland considering the majority of voters in both voted to 'Remain".
(EU, 27 June 2016 10:35)

An expert, are you, who suffers delusions of power and importance?

Who are you to speak for the megalomaniacs in Brussels?

Free

pre 7 godina

After the "triumph" of UK taking back (out of) control of their country i`d like to see Finns or Slovaks vote Out.

Especially the Finns, bordering with Russia.

UK was the fiercest opponent of EU. Now they`re Out. They don`t have a vote.

But they still want to be part of the Single Market which means they have to obey all EU rules (like Norway and Switzerland do) including free movement of goods and services and free movement of labour force, and all the payments like all the members of Single Market.


If you think that obeying the common laws and common rules is anti-democratic you can vote OUT and join the Euroasian Economic Union and become a full member of Democratic People`s Republics Club with Khazakstan, Belarus under the protection of Holy Mother Russia.

And if some day you want to leave Democratic People`s Republic Club you might find some very democratic Russian tanks in your capital.

Zoran

pre 7 godina

I'm just glad that "project fear" is coming to an end. The whole remain campaign was based on fear mongering and scaring people into voting remain but I'm glad the leavers saw right through it and decided to give the EU the middle finger... in a nice way, no hard feelings - in a thanks but no thanks kind of way.

So yes, "project fear" is still alive but fortunately dying out... we are hearing... Scotland will leave, NI will leave, blah blah... they won't and soon the UK will be a free and sovereign country again. The EU on the other hand is facing some serious problems as the call for Neexit, Frexit and other become louder.

EU

pre 7 godina

@Andy

I have seen reports that many people voted to "Leave" did it far more out of frustration. A second referendum is a hot topic as we speak, I think if it does take place again, "Remain" will win votes to stay out in EU with flying colors.

Those that did vote to leave, never really thought this through, and now they see the mistake they have made to leave E.U. I still cannot understand why anyone would vote to leave one of the greatest Unions that has ever existed. Is E.U. perfect? Absolutely not, sure there room for improvement, but to just vote out and leave is not a promising future for British citizens either. Majority of Scottish, and Irish voted to remain. E.U. may work a deal with Scotland and N.I. to let them remain in EU. This is what happens when you think bad cannot get worse.

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

"Who cares Nikolle?" You should care because these people will seek to negotiate an amicable exit on your behalf, which according to you, means keeping what is good about being in the EU. You're already on a loss by hurling abuse at those you will need to come to terms with, whose club you want to leave but who's benefits you want to keep.

Bob

pre 7 godina

It's a shock for the remain camp that their arguments do not persuade such a large proportion of the population.

The leavers are not against the EU, they are against the EU ruling in Britain.

Britain is a strong country that can do even better outside of the EU than within.

The negativity is unhealthy, but normality will resume after the initial shocks. There are exciting futures ahead for those within, and for those outside of the EU.

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

That's not why I suspect there will be another referendum, once the ramifications to the UK of this are seen, the climate, in my opinion anyway,is bound to change. I have read today already that if the SNP, in alliance with N.I. & Gibralter, can't block this in Westminster, they WILL hold a referendum on Scottish independence. Should the Republic of Ireland comply with EU customs law, borders will be put up, not sure how this would go down with the Catholic community in N.I. I admit that this is the worst case scenario for Leave, but the more I look at this, the more a hollow victory this seems for Enlgish nationalism.
As for having Boris Johnson as PM, if I'm not mistaken, this is someone who's had to apologise to 6 different countries and people for his comments. Bad idea to have him lead you

William UK

pre 7 godina

Who cares Nikolle? Everyone compares their opponents to Hitler these days. It's the norm and if a politician or leader can't move forward because of insults, they won't last very long. Everything will settle soon enough.

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

@William UK

It seems to me, you're not aware of any plan that the Leave side have. Once the dust settle, we move on, all be fine...nothing concrete there or coherent. How long will it take for the dust to settle? For as long as the UK does not trigger Article 50, the current arrangements apply, meaning, continuing contributions to EU budget, free movement of people, 2 things that were promised to be taken under control. Already the EU has ruled out informal discussions on the terms of the exit, they want you to trigger the Article first and this is the point, UK's negotiating position is compromised. They are not letting you set the terms, so really, Leave side never had any plan, which is why I expect that there will be another referendum

rote

pre 7 godina

Two idiots overplayed themselves recently. Both plying fire games with EU membership. One of the idiots spoke good Russian and bad Ukrainian. The other speaks good English. The tragedy is that heads of states most often prefer their own interests to the interests of their peoples. Ask Vucic or Thaci if you dout.

William UK

pre 7 godina

All speculation Nikolle, no new leader is going to take the UK down a slippery slope. It has been announced that it will be a slow process so you can speculate as much as you want. Borders will remain open and no one will be forced to leave. Nothing much is going to change over the next two of years and the major change is moving control back to Westminster.

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

Of course its speculation, just like you writing all will be fine, nothing will change is speculation. I merely speculated on the worst case scenario, you it seems to me don't even wish to entertain it, thus giving the impression that there is no plan

Dwight

pre 7 godina

Until Article 50 is triggered the UK is a full member of the EU and all current agreements apply.
However, the other EU members will pressure UK to make a final decision as they will not want to deal with someone who is soon leaving.
The EU has accepted that this will be done by the next Prime Minister. A point to make about this is that the EU has accepted that the referendum was not a decision and that Article 50 is the only way to make that decision.

Current opinion in law is that an Act of Parliament is need to trigger Article 50, which I think is a majority vote by members in both House of Commons and House of Lords, the PM cannot override this.

Andy UK

pre 7 godina

The UK is in complete turmoil. No one knows what is going on. Some people who voted out are now saying they didn't realise the implications or that they only did it as a protest.Cameron has resigned and wants nothing more to do with it and those who led the out campaign have all gone quiet as they are now nervous about the whole thing and no one wants to be the leader that actually gives the order to leave the EU.Labour is led by a regressive left leader who most of the party hate and is completely unelectable. His support is made of bleeding heart upper class posh kids and half of his cabinet have resigned in protest and a leadership election looks certain.Scotland will vote to leave if it goes ahead and Northern Ireland runs the risk of exploding into violence as there is already talk of a vote for a united Ireland if the UK leaves.There's also talk of big companies leaving the UK and the pound is already in freefall along with the markets.I wouldn't be surprised if the UK ends up staying as if we leave it will destroy the country.

Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

EU has been feeding many poor countries in Eastern Europe (EU, 27 June 2016 10:35)

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EU has been preventing poorer countries from feeding themselves. The sabotaging of the south stream pipeline, while maintaining and expanding north stream volume and control, is an example of the duplicity and dishonesty of the EU.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 7 godina

As according to Prophesy - about EUs 12 Initial Members this will happen -

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Esdras+11&version=CEB

Comment - 12 fethered wings-The Initial 12 Members/Three Heads-Three Future leaders of EU/From the Sea-from the Sea of Peoples(Heathen)/The Lion- The Anointed(Christian One)).

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Esdras+12&version=CEB

Serbia will never ever be a Member of EU.

Arn.Sweden.

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

@ Andy

My sentiments exactly. This vote it seems to me has put the future of the UK at risk. Scotland will most likely go, however, the prospect of renewed conflict in Northern Ireland is what sways it for me. The Republic of Ireland is bound by EU customs law and bordering a state not a member of the EU raises the possibility of border control and how much resentment this will cause in the Catholic community in NI is worth considering. Undoubtedly it will bring up all sorts of tales about the English and Protestants making decisions for them that go against their interests. Whatever I think of Cameron, he was smart enough to realise that triggering Article 50, would be suicidal for his legacy, though that is now negative in any case. I do not think that either Gove or Johnson were expecting him to resign and not press ahead with it.
Another thing, if the UK really go ahead with this, they try and get someone like Keneth Clarke to do it (though he would probably not agree), and not anyone like Johnson or Gove, one of whom has compared the EU to Hitler and the other to a dictatorship and both of whom have indirectly blamed EU citizens for the alleged ills that many in Britain feel they are suffering. I do not think the EU would want to play nice with those two.

sj

pre 7 godina

Scotland will not be able to do that as you dont ignore a majority vote. If Scotland decides to leave then it goes at a time when oil prices are less than $50 per barrel compared when they voted last time it was over $100. So all the EU will get is another poor mouth to feed.

Northern Ireland is different as it can join the rest of Ireland, but they would join a banana republic and it could be even worse.

William UK

pre 7 godina

It will take a couple of weeks for the dust to settle, market volatility was always expected and a weak pound is not such a bad thing. Until the dust settles, the remain camp will be in a self-destructive mode, wanting the world to end so they can say "I told you so".

This is not going to happen, the leave camp will make sure Britain stays a democratic country and that the will of the nation based on the results of the referendum is respected. Nearly everything you hear now is pure speculation based on uncontrolled emotions of the losing remain camp. This is obvious even in the comments below.

Do not worry, the UK will leave the EU but it will be a smooth and slow process whereby we will keep the good aspects while control of the country is returned to Westminster.

The EU, on the other hand, should start to focus on reform and drop this idea of centralising the union, thus forcing member states to give up sovereignty which no one agreed to. Otherwise Brexit is just the beginning. Austria, France, Netherlands and more will have a similar vote and you can kiss the EU goodbye. Forget about Britain, it is gone, focus on saving the EU.

sj

pre 7 godina

(EU, 27 June 2016 10:35)

I am only passing on what I have heard from very good sources about the grievances of Brits. The only income from Scotland is oil, whiskey and some tourism. That’s it.
As far as the UK feeding Serbia, I was there last year and I doubt that since Serbia can feed itself without any trouble, however, Kosovo is high in those stakes, but the UK did recognise it so tough luck.
All Serb politicians sing the same EU song because they get paid for that, but I seriously doubt that Serbia will ever join. Regardless, the EU of tomorrow will never be the same. Its gone. The best is a kind of loose confederation.
Scotland and NI on their own are basket cases. Ask any first year economics student.

EU

pre 7 godina

@Andy

I have seen reports that many people voted to "Leave" did it far more out of frustration. A second referendum is a hot topic as we speak, I think if it does take place again, "Remain" will win votes to stay out in EU with flying colors.

Those that did vote to leave, never really thought this through, and now they see the mistake they have made to leave E.U. I still cannot understand why anyone would vote to leave one of the greatest Unions that has ever existed. Is E.U. perfect? Absolutely not, sure there room for improvement, but to just vote out and leave is not a promising future for British citizens either. Majority of Scottish, and Irish voted to remain. E.U. may work a deal with Scotland and N.I. to let them remain in EU. This is what happens when you think bad cannot get worse.

EU

pre 7 godina

@SJ

EU has been feeding many poor countries in Eastern Europe including your motherland Serbia. I doubt Serbia or her neighbors who are trying to get on the ship can match up the contribution Scotland is capable of doing for EU. I can assure you that EU will work out a deal with Scotland and Northern Ireland considering the majority of voters in both voted to 'Remain".

William UK

pre 7 godina

On the topic of Corbyn and the Labour party, the resignations of the shadow ministers is a positive development. Corbyn always needed to clean up the party and remove the ex-Blairites. What we have seen this weekend is self removal. This is a blessing for the party and Corbyn has indicated, with strength and backing from the rest of the party, that he is staying.

Labour will be clean and Corbyn will lead the party into victory at the next elections. Hopefully he will see Tony Blair locked up as a war criminal also with a chance, small as it seems, removing the UK from NATO. After Brexit, anything is possible.

For anyone who thinks another referendum is possible, hahaha, keep dreaming. What that actually translates into is, hey, we didn't get the result we wanted so lets just ignore democracy and keep voting until we get the result we want. That is not democracy, that is the system the EU follows and that is the reason the EU is failing. It has essentially ignored democracy and the will of the people.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Yes because democracy is only favored by the elites when they approve of the result. What a cowardly betrayal of Britain's national interests and democratic will if their government doesn't go through with this. Andy, a few establishment political parties in turmoil is not a bad thing. My what contempt you have for your own country that you would care more about the interests of the EU and a few of your governing elite over the desires of the ordinary person who voted in majority for LEAVE.

Anyone who is so frightened of taking control of their own country is nothing more than a spineless coward. You lost the referendum, quick you bi*ching, except democracy and get on with your life. I promise you will see that after decades of EU brainwashing, the sky will still stand and the sun will still come out every morning. Give sovereignty a chance.

William UK

pre 7 godina

There are a lot of hot heads at the moment, especially after the fear campaign of remain - i.e. leave and the world will end. Everyone in leave is just quietly waiting for the hot heads to cool down and the dust to settle. We will have to start thinking of how to transition out of the EU soon in uncharted water and there is no choice but to make it a smooth process considering that Scotland is on our backs. There is no rush. How it looks after the transition is anybody's guess. Who knows, Scotland could retain strong links to the EU and UK. There are lots of questions, lots of speculation and everything is up for negotiation except power must return to Westminster. That is what the people wanted.

Personally, I don't think much will change for the average person, life will continue as normal. The important issues will be addressed, like return of power to Westminster, immigration and spending. That's it.

Giuseppe

pre 7 godina

The main point is how did the Albanians manage to sell their services to a half billion people market without being a EU country either! And if Albanians succeeded why shouldn't GB succeed? Maybe Nikolle will want to enlighten us on this? Let's speak about practical issues I say so we can help each other through these tough times.

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

"Do not worry, the UK will leave the EU but it will be a smooth and slow process whereby we will keep the good aspects..."

Which ones? Put yourself in the negotiating position of those in the EU, would you play nice with diplomats of a country that accused the Union of having similar goals to Hitler, accused it of being a dictatorship and blamed its citizens for the social ills perceived to be suffered by the leaving state?

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

I am just curious to know how you think Britain can keep what is good about the EU, considering that those on the leave side have used really toxic language about a union they will need to discuss a separation with. I mean, did they not realise that comparing the EU to Hitler is not good for their future negotiating position?

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

@William UK

It seems to me, you're not aware of any plan that the Leave side have. Once the dust settle, we move on, all be fine...nothing concrete there or coherent. How long will it take for the dust to settle? For as long as the UK does not trigger Article 50, the current arrangements apply, meaning, continuing contributions to EU budget, free movement of people, 2 things that were promised to be taken under control. Already the EU has ruled out informal discussions on the terms of the exit, they want you to trigger the Article first and this is the point, UK's negotiating position is compromised. They are not letting you set the terms, so really, Leave side never had any plan, which is why I expect that there will be another referendum

William UK

pre 7 godina

Who cares Nikolle? Everyone compares their opponents to Hitler these days. It's the norm and if a politician or leader can't move forward because of insults, they won't last very long. Everything will settle soon enough.

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

"Who cares Nikolle?" You should care because these people will seek to negotiate an amicable exit on your behalf, which according to you, means keeping what is good about being in the EU. You're already on a loss by hurling abuse at those you will need to come to terms with, whose club you want to leave but who's benefits you want to keep.

William UK

pre 7 godina

No one really cares for the insults, it will all be forgotten once the dust settles and everyone is ready to negotiate. The real issues will be discussed, not who poked who in the eye during campaigning. Maybe it's different in Turkey and Albania but I have confidence that our politicians are mature enough to overcome such issues.

rote

pre 7 godina

Two idiots overplayed themselves recently. Both plying fire games with EU membership. One of the idiots spoke good Russian and bad Ukrainian. The other speaks good English. The tragedy is that heads of states most often prefer their own interests to the interests of their peoples. Ask Vucic or Thaci if you dout.

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

That's not why I suspect there will be another referendum, once the ramifications to the UK of this are seen, the climate, in my opinion anyway,is bound to change. I have read today already that if the SNP, in alliance with N.I. & Gibralter, can't block this in Westminster, they WILL hold a referendum on Scottish independence. Should the Republic of Ireland comply with EU customs law, borders will be put up, not sure how this would go down with the Catholic community in N.I. I admit that this is the worst case scenario for Leave, but the more I look at this, the more a hollow victory this seems for Enlgish nationalism.
As for having Boris Johnson as PM, if I'm not mistaken, this is someone who's had to apologise to 6 different countries and people for his comments. Bad idea to have him lead you

Roger7

pre 7 godina

I can assure you that EU will work out a deal with Scotland and Northern Ireland considering the majority of voters in both voted to 'Remain".
(EU, 27 June 2016 10:35)

An expert, are you, who suffers delusions of power and importance?

Who are you to speak for the megalomaniacs in Brussels?

Bob

pre 7 godina

It's a shock for the remain camp that their arguments do not persuade such a large proportion of the population.

The leavers are not against the EU, they are against the EU ruling in Britain.

Britain is a strong country that can do even better outside of the EU than within.

The negativity is unhealthy, but normality will resume after the initial shocks. There are exciting futures ahead for those within, and for those outside of the EU.

Free

pre 7 godina

After the "triumph" of UK taking back (out of) control of their country i`d like to see Finns or Slovaks vote Out.

Especially the Finns, bordering with Russia.

UK was the fiercest opponent of EU. Now they`re Out. They don`t have a vote.

But they still want to be part of the Single Market which means they have to obey all EU rules (like Norway and Switzerland do) including free movement of goods and services and free movement of labour force, and all the payments like all the members of Single Market.


If you think that obeying the common laws and common rules is anti-democratic you can vote OUT and join the Euroasian Economic Union and become a full member of Democratic People`s Republics Club with Khazakstan, Belarus under the protection of Holy Mother Russia.

And if some day you want to leave Democratic People`s Republic Club you might find some very democratic Russian tanks in your capital.

Zoran

pre 7 godina

I'm just glad that "project fear" is coming to an end. The whole remain campaign was based on fear mongering and scaring people into voting remain but I'm glad the leavers saw right through it and decided to give the EU the middle finger... in a nice way, no hard feelings - in a thanks but no thanks kind of way.

So yes, "project fear" is still alive but fortunately dying out... we are hearing... Scotland will leave, NI will leave, blah blah... they won't and soon the UK will be a free and sovereign country again. The EU on the other hand is facing some serious problems as the call for Neexit, Frexit and other become louder.

William UK

pre 7 godina

There is no plan. Nigal Farage, one of the main leave campaigners isn't even in government. No one is rushing into anything and the transition will take place no sooner than two years. David Cameron has resigned and we need a new pro-leave conservative leader, most likely to be Boris Johnson in October. We can then start to move forward.

As for another referendum, highly doubtful otherwise there will be unrest in the UK. What are you saying? Keep having a referendum until you get the desired result? Maybe in the EU but not in Britain.

Nikolle

pre 7 godina

Of course its speculation, just like you writing all will be fine, nothing will change is speculation. I merely speculated on the worst case scenario, you it seems to me don't even wish to entertain it, thus giving the impression that there is no plan

William UK

pre 7 godina

All speculation Nikolle, no new leader is going to take the UK down a slippery slope. It has been announced that it will be a slow process so you can speculate as much as you want. Borders will remain open and no one will be forced to leave. Nothing much is going to change over the next two of years and the major change is moving control back to Westminster.

Dwight

pre 7 godina

Until Article 50 is triggered the UK is a full member of the EU and all current agreements apply.
However, the other EU members will pressure UK to make a final decision as they will not want to deal with someone who is soon leaving.
The EU has accepted that this will be done by the next Prime Minister. A point to make about this is that the EU has accepted that the referendum was not a decision and that Article 50 is the only way to make that decision.

Current opinion in law is that an Act of Parliament is need to trigger Article 50, which I think is a majority vote by members in both House of Commons and House of Lords, the PM cannot override this.