End of EU as we know it - Britain votes to leave

Excellent news! The UK has been forced to listen to Brussels' and Berlin's dictats for far too long
Serbia: DON'T JOIN A SINKING SHIP!!! AND NOT ONE WITH A GERMAN CAPTAIN AND HELMSMAN!!

Wow, I am pleasantly surprised. Just yesterday I predicted that the Brits will be successfully bullied into staying and looks what happens. This is a victory of the ordinary person against the elite. Congratulations to the UK. And now that other countries see this can be done, be on the look out for Holland, Austria, Denmark, Italy, France and more.

I've been saying for years on B92 that the EU was doomed and finished. People said I was crazy. Well you are witnessing it. Good riddance. Serbia, take note!

Happy independence day to all the Brits out there. You made the right choice!

The condemned residents of the fenced-in ghetto in KiM will eventually require a separate visa to visit London, in addition to the visa restricted access for excursions to other EU countries.

Well, I guess good luck to the UK. Personally, I think they're screwed, certainly those who seem to have taken in the narrative that everything wrong in their lives is the fault of immigrants, but its finished now. I also read today that Northern Ireland and Scotland will now reassess their position within the Union, we may just see the end of the UK

It appears that a lot of people on this site were terribly wrong, and now need to go to Plan B.

It is now predictable that the wealthy Scandinavian countries will exit next

The EU’s power against Serbia just took a big dip down.

Bravo to the English. They saved themselves.

Long live sovereignty

Down with centralized political imposition.

Long live the people of Britain

Can anyone tell me how does this help or harm Balkan countries? Fact of the matter is Balkan countries are just not well developed economically, and will not be anytime soon.

Brexit showed the world how a country operates under a true democratic government. I wish I could say the same for Balkans, but their governments are corrupt. France should have the opportunity for a referendum, and every other EU nation should hold a referendum.

EU will not fall apart all together, some will remain, and I know this is a time where countries like Serbia and Albania will get friendly invitations to join in, even though neither one are ready anytime soon.

I strongly advise Balkan countries to stay away from EU for the next few years, but I am sure their desperate individual political agendas will drag the entire nations into something they are not prepared for.

Happy independence day to my fellow Brits! I am pleased we made the right choice and also pleased that Cameron has resigned. Boris Johnson will be our next Prime Minister followed by Jeremy Corbyn.

Amnesty, in reality Albanians don't need visa's, they have been flooding the UK in boats and tagging along with refugees. But the UK is not part of the Schengen so our borders aren't open like the rest of the EU. Non-EU members need a visa regardless.

Give it a break Andy, the fear campaign of remain has had a large impact on the ignorant. Those that voted remain did so out of fear while those that voted leave did so out of strength. What is going to change now? There is a two year transition period and when all the dust settles, we will have the best of both worlds.

As for immigration, we will have an Australian based points system where we will take in those that will benefit our economy while all the free riders will be kept out.

I seriously don't understand any Brit who thinks unaccountable unelected bureaucrats in Brussels will serve our interests better than our politicians in London. At least we can kick them out if they fail us.

Andy UK, i voted out, i work, i am educated (engineer), i work in an office with engineers, from mechanical to production. Out of 12 people only 1 voted remain. so lets not tar everyone with the same brush.

I fail to see what sovereignty the EU was denying Britain.

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Determining how many immigrants Britain wants to let in is a matter of sovereignty.

A majority of the British do not want others to make that determination for them.

This is a matter of Sovereignty.

All central governments known since the inception of mankind are all the same: They will continue to take away your rights one-by-one.

Thomas Jefferson understood this very well.

Long live sovereignty and the people of Britain.

Down with imposed central control.

The Brits will do just fine and prosper (as they always have).

Ari : This is a victory of the ordinary person against the elite.


Most surprising is that England voted against EU. It makes possible two other referendums to bury the Common's Wealth and the remnants of the empire. It may save Serbia too.

You are right Joni, I did see an ad highlighting Turkey and Albania joining the EU as a scare tactic for the leave campaign. You have to understand that Europeans are frightened at the prospect of 75 million Turks joining the EU and it did have an influence on the campaign.

I wonder if Serbia will behave as if nothing has happened?
(rote, 24 June 2016 09:43)
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Without a doubt. Too bad the election just took place. If the election was towards the end of the year I think Vucic and Co. would think twice about rushing into EU but now that they have years to wreck Serbia they will be fast tracked into EU.

Tony USA

Don't forget Northen Epirus i Albania. It needs to be returned to Greece. And Krajina to the sebs. Besides Republka Srpska needs real independence.

Can anyone tell me how does this help or harm Balkan countries?
(EU, 24 June 2016 10:14)

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Dear EU: (never thought I could say this without gagging :-); here's how Brexit will help - not hurt - Serbia. One caveat, though: I don't know - or care - how Brexit will affect Balkans beyond Serbia).

- Firstly, for the foreseeable future, Germany will be too busy coping with the centrifugal forces within EU to be able to resume exerting its terrorizing monopoly on Serbia. This is good news indeed, as we will be seeing - for the first time in 30 years - other, more benign and benevolent political and economic actors in the Balkans.

- Secondly: relentless political and military pressure on Serbia in general, and Srpska in particular will finally, at long last, subside.

- Thirdly: the capital dependency on Eurozone will gradually decline, which is terrific news. This will undoubtedly cause us some short-term liquidity bottlenecks, but in the intermediate run, we will endure and thrive.

- Fourthly: our political elites will be under tremendous political and popular pressure to abandon the silly "EU has no alternatives" model of sycophancy. This is, to paraphrase Boris Johnson, a glorious moment, indeed.

- Finally, as Germans wake up to realization that they are mere-mortals, not economic or planetary gods, they may yet be compelled to rethink their deeply entrenched and, frankly, profoundly racist perception of the Serbian people. You can say I am a dreamer...

Absolute disaster for the UK.

75% turnout, where normally it's 40% - a load of uneducated people thinking they can get non-white or non-Englsih people shipped out overnight.

75% of people aged 16-24 voted to stay in the EU, 39% of over 65s voted that way.

People ignoring the economic impacts and thinking we'll go back to some sort of idyllic Downton Abbey style Britain that never existed.

It is going to turn ugly quickly and as the recession bites and people can't afford the Euros for the beer on their week in Spain, they will all be denying that they voted out.

My children will be growing up in a depressed economy, similar to the 1970s.

You can argue against someone like Serbia joining the EU, but when you've based your country around it, leaving is insane.

Excellent news! The UK has been forced to listen to Brussels' and Berlin's dictats for far too long
Serbia: DON'T JOIN A SINKING SHIP!!! AND NOT ONE WITH A GERMAN CAPTAIN AND HELMSMAN!!
(Tony (a Brit in Berlin), 24 June 2016 09:34)

Tony, i think you are mentally confused - by the sinking ship you mean your little stupid island, right? And btw, why are you a Brit in Berlin if you seem to hate German politics so much?

Well, it is the end of an era and I would try to help somehow the 'remain' campaigners with some hints today. First off, I did enjoy those posters featured everywhere, including London buses & showing Buckingham Palace with the Albanian flag onto it.... That was a very smart choice indeed! Secondly, as of 2014, 790.000 people born in Poland were estimated to be resident in the UK. In 2012, 101.000 Romanian-born people were resident in the UK, two years later there were 170.000 of them...basing the whole enlargement policy on mere (and stupid) geopolitical factors, it doesn't always pay off, dear Brussels-based EU enthusiasts. Mogerini, Hollande, Cameron, Renzi, Merkel, all you can afford at the moment, are just inept clowns if we compare them to the likes of Jean Monet, Robert Schuman, Altiero Spinelli, Adenauer, De Gaulle, De Gasperi, Churchill himself. You gotta blame your own low profile political culture Brits, citing here my favourite pundit - Vladimir Vladimirovic...

Einstein is right (unlike the stupidity, the Universe could be finite).
I was wrong (hoping that the vote would be rigged).

The idiots got Soviet Union, Jugoslavija, Czechoslovakia - and learned nothing.
This is a major disaster, more to come, just hope I will retire before USA breaks up.

JONI : I can’t see the future but the past is evident to me. Yugoslavia was a better place to live …

WELCOME HOME !!!


Nikolle : It does not seem as if the Union can survive this.

YOU’RE SMARTER THAN YOU USED TO SOUND !


skepticism : Very bad result for the UK, driven by narrow minded uneducated voters

17 Mln.?

skepticism : The good days are behind us, this will become clear later

It’s already clear so it’s time to pack things. Welcome home!


EUdude : Tony, i think you are mentally confused - by the sinking ship you mean your little stupid island, right? And btw, why are you a Brit in Berlin if you seem to hate German politics so much?

DON’T BE PANIC AND SEE WHAT A NICE PEOPLE SERBS ARE TO LIVE TOGETHER!

Tony USA : Also Vojvodina for Independence .


Also Texas for Independence. By the way how many Hungarians live in Vojvodina you think?

"Brussels never told Britain to accept refugees"
-- icj1

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See link where Angela Merkel demands that all EU member states be legally bound to accept more refugees.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/03/germany-france-eu-refugee-quotas-migration-crisis


And here: Britain will be forced by Brussels to accept more refugees:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11596320/Britain-will-be-forced-by-Brussels-to-accept-Mediterranean-migrants.html


In 10 years most people will be saying: "Angela who?"

Long live Liberty and Sovereignty.

Down with imposed central control.

The people of Britain have voted and made their decision and others will soon follow.

Nikolle,

The 5th largest economy in the world, financial capital of the world, with a security council seat, and a strong defense will do just fine outside of the EU, I am sure.

Did they lose some things they had before? Sure. But they gained back their Sovereignty.

I wonder if Serbia will behave as if nothing has happened?

Very bad result for the UK, driven by narrow minded uneducated voters who fail to comprehend that the world has changed since the 50s.

As to how this will affect the Western Balkans, obviously further expansion of the EU is put on hold until further notice. Less money will flow for EU Accession purposes. The good days are behind us, this will become clear later

The only positive development is that erdo made a comedy stand today threatening (??!!) that turkey will hold a referendum about being interested or not in joining EU (as if turkey is deciding to join or not). Hopefully the anatolia voters and erdo believers will vote against joining EU. This will just accelerate turkey's dismantling that currently takes place.

It was not an illusion when Brussels told Britain there is no limit to the amount of refugees that must be accepted.

And they actually thought that the people of Britain would accept diktat.

Now they can have what they always wanted: The European Union of Deustchland.

It's a short term victory for England. It's a potential opportunity for Scotland. It's a devastating blow to Great Britain.

Well, it looks like the euphoria did not last long after the Brits saw what happened to the pound this morning.

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No different than an airplane passing through momentary turbulence.

By Monday morning it will all be gone.

The Empire wants you to believe that you cannot live without the empire.

Liberated minds know otherwise.

For those who need a union, let them join.

For those who do not need a union let them leave.

In time the union will be a collection of insolvent states led by a central banker in Berlin who makes money on monthly interest payments.

The Serbs do not know any EU, we've never been there, never had any access to that elite club, have no say in how the illuminated society operates, to what end, at whose behest, in whose interest and for whose benefit or why, and so "the end of EU as we know it" is immaterial and metaphysical from the average Serbian citizen's point of view. From the Serbian perspective of a perennial outsider, lamenting the imminent collapse of the European Union makes as much sense as lamenting the collision of two black holes hundred billion light years away. We might have shown some minor interest and given some ephemeral s**t about the whole darn EU implosion had we ever been invited. Luckily, we have not been and we never will be -- a status that works just fine for us at this point, thank you so very much.

When EU asks Serbia for its helping hand - a moment rapidly approaching, I am sure - they should receive the same middle finger (only longer and fatter) they have been giving us for the past four decades.

You are completely correct Nikolle. The UK has a class of people who can't be bothered to work and blame foreigners for everything. They have caused economic disaster for the rest and will start regretting it when their benefits are cut and health care is no longer free.

Also Vojvodina for Independence . Oh yeah now I got it you are a sore loser
(Tony USA, 24 June 2016 16:18)

Why? Do you have a reason or is this just mindless spam I should have known better for acknowledging?

If, according to you, that's the reason the majority of Brits decided to leave, then that proves my point that they had no idea what they were voting about :)

icj1

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Yes of course. The well educated British citizenry who are known for not being emotional...

..... according to you didn't know what they were voting on and were overly emotional.

Of course. How could we miss that?

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That commentary is ridiculous.

It would be correct to say that you don't know what you are speaking about

Go get a job.

Dude,

You are a man who doesn't get the big picture and gets hung up on little things. Read the second article to see that they were threatened.

In any event, there was nothing emotional about it (and as I write this movements in 5 additional countries want out)

Britain wants to be left alone.

They don't want continual efforts to curtail their sovreignty.

They don't want to deal with endless poor country problems.

They don't want immigrants changing their way of life.

They don't want to ship out $9B more than they get from the EU to support poor countries.

Don't worry, Britain will live long and prosper outside of the EU (as they have for the better part of the last 3 centuries).

You should worry more about yourself and your own people

The EU will soon be a collection of insolvent nations sending loan payments each month to Berlin. A collection of countries that can't make it on their own.

Bye Bye EU

Angela who?

William - are you off your head?

The Jeremy Kyle brigade have got off thair fat, tracksuit covered backsides to vote for the first time in their lives on a policy of "I don't want no europeans telling me what to do" and the economy will implode.

Corbyn will never be prime minister - he is a public school educated, bleeding heart liberal who has no idea about the real word and is despised by most of the country. I, like many other lifelong labour voters, will never vote for Labour while he is in charge.

We will be stuck with that idiot Boris Johnson - the very worst of the selfish Tory types - who has got where he is by cleverly acting like an idiot to appeal to celebrity worshipping morons.

This is now finished, the UK has voted to leave, for good or ill. I'm far more curious to see what this'll do to the UK itself what with Scotland and Northern Ireland being taken out of the EU, courtesy of English votes. It does not seem as if the Union can survive this.

The Brits will do just fine and prosper (as they always have).
(factman, 24 June 2016 15:51)

Well said… and a lot more to come...

Nikolle:

I can agree only partially with you.

I believe that the EU will not exist much longer in its current makeup. As I write this the cracks have gotten wider and deeper. The world has changed significantly in 48 hours.

I believe their influence will remain as is.


Adrian - Bucharest:

You really are a strange one aren't you? I can assure you that I am a Jeffersonian American.

I’m happy for them who choose to leave just because they were to scared about the integration Balkan countries using a disgraceful campaign against Balkan nations.
I personally have no idea what will happen now – I hope that it have not an negative influence in G. Britain having preset that Scotland and Ireland voted to stay in EU.
I can’t see the future but the past is evident to me. Yugoslavia was a better place to live more than those live, and so is EU.
If Brexit have a negative influence in EU it will came like a boomerang just in poor countries because the richest one can afford it.
So, hope that Brexit to have a good influence not a negative one.

just hope I will retire before USA breaks up.
(Ataman, 24 June 2016 13:39)

Never underestimate the stupidi-err-power of Texans.

3% of Bretxit is because of factman and arigold and dragoliub who are Russian trools
(adrian_bucharest, 25 June 2016 14:21)

I would go mad and say something like that only if my team would be beaten by Albania. Wait, what did happen?

You still can get some relief and steal their horses. Wait, what did happen?

Kudos to deda cvteko.

I'd add only 1 thing.

The pressure from the EU was not always malignant. It was beneficial also. Tne EU was making Serbia slowly but surely professionalize its operations.

If Serbs are to be smart they would continue down that same path. No short cuts. Just do it. There will be no small amount of temptation to go the route of shortcuts or to go for the easy fix.

if anything, this is a big wakeup call for Vucic. He better get with t and make it happen. There won't be a security blanket around for long.

You got your second mandate, Now step up to the plate and just do what is necessary an do it the right way. It will be painful, but you only need do it once.

But, you are correct that UK leaving the EU it does indeed create an illusion that somehow that will reduce immigration! But it's just an illusion...

(icj1,


Yesterday Polish ambassador of NATO in a talk show on RTR TV sai that "Albanians do not need visas to reach Britain because they use boats and trucks instead". you say the same about the illusions. is it a day og confession today?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/brexit-what-is-the-eu-google_us_576d2dfee4b0dbb1bbba3911

This is what happens when clowns escape from circus!

The only thing that's gone change for sure is UK having no vote in EU.
(Free, 25 June 2016 12:31
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That's assuming that the people of Britain ever had any influence on Burssels in the first place.
This was the first domino. The rest will fall and eventually EU will fall. Countries will have charge of their own destiny again.

"Long live sovereignty "

I fail to see what sovereignty the EU was denying Britain. As far as I know, its the Westminster gov. that sets the tax rate, VAT rate, income threshold and decided on matters of war (such as the Iraq war). Also, saw a lot of people in the Leave camp put themselves forth as defenders of democracy, well, the UK has an un elected head of state and house of lords, whats democratic about that? In any case, it doesn't matter to me, but from what I could gauge, this was merely a vote to leave due to concerns about immigration no other reason.

Because of Russian spy as factman United Kingdom is out of UE

To many Russian trools over the internet who manipulate the people

I know factman he is feed by Russia and Ukraine for manipulate the people

3% of Bretxit is because of factman and arigold and dragoliub who are Russian trools

It was not an illusion when Brussels told Britain there is no limit to the amount of refugees that must be accepted.
(factman, 24 June 2016 17:23)

Of course it is an illusion, because Brussels never told Britain that there is no limit to the amount of refugees that must be accepted. Britain already has full control of its refugee admission policy because it is not part of the Schengen area. It has nothing to do with EU membership.

If, according to you, that's the reason the majority of Brits decided to leave, then that proves my point that they had no idea what they were voting about :)
(icj1, 24 June 2016 20:21)

See link where Angela Merkel demands that all EU member states be legally bound to accept more refugees.
[link]
And here: Britain will be forced by Brussels to accept more refugees:
[link]
(factman, 25 June 2016 04:15)

Did you actually read you own links?! Nowhere in those links there is anything that says that Brussels told Britain there is no limit to the amount of refugees that must be accepted lol

But that link does say that the plan "will need approval from all 28 EU governments before it can be implemented". So UK already has full control of the amount of refugees that it accepts.

You are continuing to prove my point that if (according to you), that's the reason the majority of Brits decided to leave, then they had no idea what they were voting about :)

No different than an airplane passing through momentary turbulence.
(factman, 24 June 2016 19:45)

Hmm, that’s not that re-assuring. Flight AF 447 was also passing through such momentary turbulence…
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Yes of course. The well educated British citizenry who are known for not being emotional...
..... according to you didn't know what they were voting on and were overly emotional.
Of course. How could we miss that?
That commentary is ridiculous.
(factman, 24 June 2016 22:27)

You said that they voted to leave because “Brussels told Britain there is no limit to the amount of refugees that must be accepted”, but Brussels never told that to Britain and it could not without Britain's agreement!

Mate, if you don’t know why the Brits voted to leave, it’s OK. You don’t have to come up with nonsense, at best, or lies, at worst. People sometimes vote based on emotions instead of logical thinking, and that’s OK – it still must be respected. That's democracy.

UK should now leave the EU so the Brits have an opportunity to face the hard truth that free having and eating of cake is not an option, regardless of how many times somebody votes for it! Unfortunately for the 52%, the new prime minister will have to break one of promises: migration or economy…
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It would be correct to say that you don't know what you are speaking about
(factman, 24 June 2016 22:27)

But still you can’t point to a single thing I’m saying that is incorrect lol

They don't want continual efforts to curtail their sovreignty.
They don't want to deal with endless poor country problems.
They don't want immigrants changing their way of life.
(factman, 26 June 2016 04:39)

All those things are great, but how leaving the EU will achieve that?!
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They don't want to ship out $9B more than they get from the EU to support poor countries.
(factman, 26 June 2016 04:39)

Really?! But they still want the money that the EU ships out to the UK’s poor areas! In addition, UK will still have to pay billions in order to trade with the EU, anyway (see Norway for example) regardless of whether they are an EU member lol

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Don't worry, Britain will live long and prosper outside of the EU. You should worry more about yourself and your own people
(factman, 26 June 2016 04:39)

That’s a contradictory advice lol How can I not worry about Britain but worry about my own people hahaha
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Bye Bye EU
(factman, 26 June 2016 04:39)

Yes, Britain will now have to say bye bye to the EU and face the hard truth that free having and eating of cake does not work. Unfortunately for the 52%, the new prime minister will have to break one of promises: migration or economy…
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Angela who?
(factman, 26 June 2016 04:39)

Angela, the one who will set the terms under which the UK will be able to sell its goods and services to a half billion people market. Just a small thing lol

Andy is reporting statistics over all Great Britain, you are reporting statistics over 12 people. Well done Sir, well done. Now, if you want to sell whatever Great Britain is famous for (engineering designs perhaps?) in the EU you will have to accept free movement of people. Simple as that. Good luck to your next Prime Minister, he might want to talk with Tsipras on how to deal with the aftermath of this kind of referendums :). Of course, I am assuming you are really British and not the kind of some of our Serb expats here, who would love nothing more than to see the UK fail.
(Reader, 26 June 2016 06:10)

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If you are criticizing one sample size, then perhaps you should tell us the source, and sample size of Andy's data. Otherwise we can only chuckle at your unbelievable written statement that Andy is reporting the complete demographics of all voters and the results of their secretly cast ballots across all of the U.K.

Do your homework. GB gives 9B more than it gets back.

All the post-vote press and commentary is very shrill.

I believe that at the time of this writing the sun is about to rise in GB. Amazing. I thought it was going to be perpetually dark.

Norway next. Austria and Sweden follow. Greece afterwards.

Down with imposed central control. Up with Sovereignty.

in 6 months everyone will write that what GB did was brilliant and with great foresight.

I'm sorry, but i don't know what Angela you are speaking of? The one who destroyed the EU and brought hundreds of terrorists to the continent? The lame duck?

Relax little chetniks! All the Brexit does for Serbia is to extend its visit at the EU Proctology exam. Rest assured Germany will have the last shot at schadenfreude.

(The Count of Kosova, 26 June 2016 20:06)

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*** Unlikely ***

I wonder how long the feelings of euphoria will last in the UK. I think they bit more than they can chew. But, that's their choice. It was a democratic process and the people have spoken. Their decisions will be respected, for better or worse.

It will be interesting to see how the N. Ireland and Scotland issue plays out and how that affects England.

Good luck to you, Britain. I think tough times are ahead of you as the EU will be forced to come down with a heavy hand to discourage other members from leaving.

If I were a Brit when voting i would ask myself a question:
Was UK better or worse before joining EU (back then EEC) OR after?

English and Welsh voted out, Scots, NI and Gibraltar voted in. IR fears a new war, Scots want another referendum and Gibraltarians now need a visa to take a piss.

Anyway, this is a huge victory for all the people who see democracy, freedom, sovereignty and liberty in guys like Putin, Trump, Farage, Le Pen, Ayatollah Kahmenei, Kim III etc.

@factman

Im not suggesting that they will starve, Im saying their influence will diminish. Plus, if they want access to the free market, they HAVE to accept free movement of people, as Norway and Switzerland have. They are sovereign tovsay no to that, but at what cost? Thats the point I am making, they will not be free of the EU when out

Andy UK, i voted out, i work, i am educated (engineer), i work in an office with engineers, from mechanical to production. Out of 12 people only 1 voted remain. so lets not tar everyone with the same brush.
(Dave UK, 24 June 2016 11:26)

Andy is reporting statistics over all Great Britain, you are reporting statistics over 12 people. Well done Sir, well done. Now, if you want to sell whatever Great Britain is famous for (engineering designs perhaps?) in the EU you will have to accept free movement of people. Simple as that. Good luck to your next Prime Minister, he might want to talk with Tsipras on how to deal with the aftermath of this kind of referendums :). Of course, I am assuming you are really British and not the kind of some of our Serb expats here, who would love nothing more than to see the UK fail.

List of dates predicting the End of the EU is longer than those predicting the Apocalypse.

EU is based on capitalism. Capitalism has cyclical crisis all the time. But none of them till far ended capitalism, every single crisis makes it stronger.

Of course there will be a final crisis which will end not only EU or USA but entire capitalist system but it`s nothing enthustiastic about that.

The crisis that ended The Roman Empire was followed by the Dark Ages. The fall of capitalism won`t come as a relief but as the most destructive war in human history.

Till then keep calm and enjoy your time.

You are a man who doesn't get the big picture and gets hung up on little things.
(factman, 26 June 2016 04:39)

well, you said that 52% of Brits voted to leave because “Brussels told Britain there is no limit to the amount of refugees that must be accepted”, when Brussels never told that to Britain. So, 17+ million people making a decision on how to vote based on a lie is a small little thing according to you?!!!
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Read the second article to see that they were threatened.
(factman, 26 June 2016 04:39)

I read it and I don't see that. You’re just making it up. That article says there was a proposal on refugees that "will need approval from all 28 EU governments before it can be implemented". So it is already under UK’s control. So, it's total nonsense for you to say that was the reason Brits voted to leave the EU. Unless, of course, you are considering Brits idiots who can’t understand a simple fact that they already have the power to control refugees however they see it fit!
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In any event, there was nothing emotional about it
(factman, 26 June 2016 04:39)

So far you have not provided any logical reason that makes sense. Since I don't think Brits are idiots, the only possible explanation that remains is that it was an emotional vote :)
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Britain wants to be left alone.
(factman, 26 June 2016 04:39)

They still want to trade with the EU, for good reason because that half billion people market buys half of the British exports.

Relax little chetniks! All the Brexit does for Serbia is to extend its visit at the EU Proctology exam. Rest assured Germany will have the last shot at schadenfreude.

Hay William uk are you happy or miserable you confuse me? Anyway congrats to UK, Scotland and northern Ireland should hold referendum to. Also Vojvodina for Independence . Oh yeah now I got it you are a sore loser

Bravo to the English. They saved themselves.
(factman, 24 June 2016 13:35)

Well, it looks like the euphoria did not last long after the Brits saw what happened to the pound this morning.

It looks like that the majority of people voted based on emotions rather than understanding what they were really doing. No wonder GoogleTrends is showing this afternoon a 250% spike in people searching for "what happens if we leave the EU" https://twitter.com/GoogleTrends/status/746137920940056578... they should have probably asked that question on Wednesday lol

@ factman

oh dear, you're another one those who believes the EU is simply another acronym for Germany do you? i have actually been quite interested in this and have followed it closely, but I have to tell you, I find the arguments of the leave side, and Farrage especially, really bizarre, he seems to wish the EU would simply cease existing. Thing is this, now that the UK has decided to leave, it does not mean that it'll be free of the EU because the EU is a massive economic area, still the largest free trade area in the world, with whom business in the UK still do the majority of their trade with and such it will be influenced by it one way or another. At least being in, it would have given the UK a voice, now that they're out, they'll find that they to play by its rules, without having any say on what those rules are. To me, this looks like an own goal however way you look at it.

Determining how many immigrants Britain wants to let in is a matter of sovereignty.
(factman, 24 June 2016 15:51)

Sure. But half of the immigrants to the UK are not from the EU! As for the other half, those advocating leaving the EU say they will negotiate a free trade agreement with the EU, which btw will require free movement of workers, anyway (see Norway as an example). So, really UK leaving the EU will not have much of an impact in terms of immigration.

But, you are correct that UK leaving the EU it does indeed create an illusion that somehow that will reduce immigration! But it's just an illusion...
(icj1, 24 June 2016 16:58)

It was not an illusion when Brussels told Britain there is no limit to the amount of refugees that must be accepted.
(factman, 24 June 2016 17:23)

Of course it is an illusion, because Brussels never told Britain that there is no limit to the amount of refugees that must be accepted. Britain already has full control of its refugee admission policy because it is not part of the Schengen area. It has nothing to do with EU membership.

If, according to you, that's the reason the majority of Brits decided to leave, then that proves my point that they had no idea what they were voting about :)

And some other guzs who see Kosovo independence as an useful precedent:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/brexit-what-is-the-eu-google_us_576d2dfee4b0dbb1bbba3911

When Chamerlain signed the Munich Agreement British people were divided. It was AFTER they united against fascism!

And some other guys who see Kosovo independence as an useful precedent:

https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-declare-london-independent-from-the-uk-and-apply-to-join-the-eu

When Chamberlain signed the Munich Agreement British people were divided. It was AFTER they united against fascism:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-petition-for-second-eu-referendum-so-popular-the-government-sites-crashing-a7099996.html

Johnson said "We will not turn our back on EU. We are part of Europe".
British MP saying "Free movement of labour may not end".
Spain and France saying "We will respect our agreements with UK".

The only thing that's gone change for sure is UK having no vote in EU.

@factman

Im not suggesting that they will starve, Im saying their influence will diminish. Plus, if they want access to the free market, they HAVE to accept free movement of people, as Norway and Switzerland have. They are sovereign tovsay no to that, but at what cost? Thats the point I am making, they will not be free of the EU when out

The fact United Kingdom got out from EU is the most good thing that could happened for Romania , all curency from East Europe collapsed and will collapse , we are most less affected by this + we have most big economical grow this year from entire Europe . Poland and Hungary are much more hit than Romania .

The world crisis + Greek crisis and now Great Britan out of UE are the most good things that could had happened .

Now the Polish zlot is as Romanian curency in 2015 it was with 15% 20% more strong .

Our curency won`t depreciate

Today happened the most good possible thing exactly when others started to drink again water and grow a little

"Determining how many immigrants Britain wants to let in is a matter of sovereignty."

How on earth do you actually determine that? However, the whole point about free movement, was that it works both ways, so by that logic, Germany did not have sovereignty either.

Determining how many immigrants Britain wants to let in is a matter of sovereignty.
(factman, 24 June 2016 15:51)

Sure. But half of the immigrants to the UK are not from the EU! As for the other half, those advocating leaving the EU say they will negotiate a free trade agreement with the EU, which btw will require free movement of workers, anyway (see Norway as an example). So, really UK leaving the EU will not have much of an impact in terms of immigration.

But, you are correct that UK leaving the EU it does indeed create an illusion that somehow that will reduce immigration! But it's just an illusion...

@ factman

Norway is not part of the EU, honestly its not good to write without knowing things. and for what its wroth, I don't the EU is going anywhere

@ factman
You are a smart guy which has it’s own point of view, and partially I agree. But let me tell how I see it.
The most powerful powers we known were always US and Russia. And suddenly the most powerful leader last year was Angela Merkel ( EU ). This 3-d superpower cornered both US and Russia in some occasions. So, a strong and powerful EU, mean less influence in Europe for US and Russia. Serbia is in EU path and Albania voted against US and Israel pro Palestine in the same line that EU voted – so?? US and Russia are losing influence in EU, and is not in their interest a strong EU. Those countries need conflicts to make them seeing like the “good” guys while EU don't need conflicts on its own borders.
Maybe I’m wrong but I still remember the Merkel words “ If we don't stabilize Balkan, we will have another conflict in Europe”. Now, nobody gives a s$$t when Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania joined the EU, but when it came to MNE, Serbia, Fyrom and Albania somebody got “crazy” about. We are all small countries to have some influence in EU or GB so all I wonder why those got “crazy” about?
Continue.....

@ factman
I don’t like tell this but I think this is the truth: If somebody like or need a war in Europe the only nations in which you can find a “spark” those are MNE, MK, SRB and AL. For the first time EU take seriously Balkan and are trying to keep it under their shield – EU is the only which don’t need conflicts in their borders. But for sure somebody got crazy about, because that mean 0 influence in Europe. Call me a crazy but I will trust Germans this time! Germans are not the same they were in WWII as much as Jews are not the same.

Nikolle, you are right (although Norway is a part of the European Economic Area and Schengen). I may have mis-spoken, but gist remains the same.

The spirit of the times has changed. No country with responsible debt and responsible behavior towards its citizenry wants centralized control imposed... nor more immigrants than they can handle... nor a slow motion erasure of their culture... nor to send cash to finance perpetually debt ridden economies with no chance of ever escaping the debt spiral.

Joni, I agree with what you say, but the countries of the Balkans need to step up to the plate and work it out themselves. They cannot forever need momma and papa to reconcile differences. Maturity means doing it yourself.

I believe the West is tired and just wants to be left alone to go on vacation and not be bothered with perpetual problems from certain areas of the world.

I believe that what you are seeing is a revolt of a certain class of people. It is very real and I believe it will continue. And I believe the social structures of the EU are very threatened by it.

Bravo to the English. They saved themselves.
(factman, 24 June 2016 13:35)

Well, it looks like the euphoria did not last long after the Brits saw what happened to the pound this morning.
(icj1, 24 June 2016 17:07)

By Monday morning it will all be gone.
(factman, 24 June 2016 19:45)

Monday came and went and the pound got pounded even more. You got it wrong again and again, mate. But, keep trying. Hopefully, you'll get something right at some point.

And not just the pound. S&P and Fitch cut UK's credit rating and Moody's put it on negative outlook. Banks (that pay a good chunk of the taxes that are used to help those who voted to leave) are starting plans for moving to Edinburgh, Frankfurt or Paris. Not sure who's going to pick up the tab...
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in 6 months everyone will write that what GB did was brilliant and with great foresight.
(factman, 27 June 2016 04:50)

Oops, sorry, just noticed your update timeline, from Monday to December! There is just a small detail missing, namely that you did not explain what will happen during these 6 months that will cause this to reverse! Or perhaps (similarly to the Leave campaign) you are saying that we should not use at any facts, data or logic, but we should just trust you that everything will be fine?! Hopefully you're right, even though given the fact that there are few things, if any, that you've ever got right, that does not look that promising :)

Oh my goodness, icj1 you are right.

You won't believe what happened today!!

The sky fell down on this side of the Atlantic. I also heard that there are giant tidal waves bearing down on the Shetland Islands... and that clouds are forecast to block the sun for a minimum of 123 years into the future which will cause all crops to die.

I also heard that these new viruses have sprouted up that are resistant to bacteria and that in only 1.5 years all of us will be transmuted to amphibians living under water.

You were really right! I can't believe it. The world is ending!!!!

Help us! Save us! Please icj1 do something about it. Please go talk to the British people and show them they are wrong! Help!

You read too many newspapers.

The globalist agenda of one super state, open borders, free money for all who need it is coming to an end.

Strong fences make good neighbors.

icj1:

And the move toward equilibrium has begun as the economies of the world see that the Shrill Voices of Doom..... and the Purveyors of Fear (people like you and the Remain crowd who suffered such devastating blows to your egos and world views) recognize that its just another day.

See link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/business/dealbook/daily-stock-market-activity.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

The Brits will laugh all the way to the bank as Britain has now become a very affordable vacation spot... and its good and services are now priced less than the EU.

Oh my goodness, icj1 you are right.
(factman, 28 June 2016 16:04)

You're finally starting to understand something.
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You won't believe what happened today!!
The sky fell down on this side of the Atlantic. I also heard that there are giant tidal waves bearing down on the Shetland Islands...
(factman, 28 June 2016 16:04)

Yes, you are correct mate that I won't believe that. Few people, if any, would believe something that you write just because you wrote it lol But keep trying...
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Please go talk to the British people and show them they are wrong! Help!
(factman, 28 June 2016 16:04)

Why me?! I said already that it's OK for somebody to vote emotionally. It still must be respected. If you think that's wrong, feel free to follow your own advice!
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You read too many newspapers.
(factman, 28 June 2016 16:04)

I just read the links you provided and they proved my point lol
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The globalist agenda of one super state, open borders, free money for all who need it is coming to an end.
(factman, 28 June 2016 16:04)

Sure, whatever that means. But not sure what does that have to do with the topic of UK voting to leave the EU!
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Strong fences make good neighbors.
(factman, 28 June 2016 16:04)

Of course, but again not sure what that has to do with UK voting the leave the EU! It sounds like you have some reasoning challenges when linking things lol

Absolute disaster for the UK.

75% turnout, where normally it's 40% - a load of uneducated people thinking they can get non-white or non-Englsih people shipped out overnight.

75% of people aged 16-24 voted to stay in the EU, 39% of over 65s voted that way.

People ignoring the economic impacts and thinking we'll go back to some sort of idyllic Downton Abbey style Britain that never existed.

It is going to turn ugly quickly and as the recession bites and people can't afford the Euros for the beer on their week in Spain, they will all be denying that they voted out.

My children will be growing up in a depressed economy, similar to the 1970s.

You can argue against someone like Serbia joining the EU, but when you've based your country around it, leaving is insane.

Well, I guess good luck to the UK. Personally, I think they're screwed, certainly those who seem to have taken in the narrative that everything wrong in their lives is the fault of immigrants, but its finished now. I also read today that Northern Ireland and Scotland will now reassess their position within the Union, we may just see the end of the UK

Excellent news! The UK has been forced to listen to Brussels' and Berlin's dictats for far too long
Serbia: DON'T JOIN A SINKING SHIP!!! AND NOT ONE WITH A GERMAN CAPTAIN AND HELMSMAN!!
(Tony (a Brit in Berlin), 24 June 2016 09:34)

Tony, i think you are mentally confused - by the sinking ship you mean your little stupid island, right? And btw, why are you a Brit in Berlin if you seem to hate German politics so much?

Excellent news! The UK has been forced to listen to Brussels' and Berlin's dictats for far too long
Serbia: DON'T JOIN A SINKING SHIP!!! AND NOT ONE WITH A GERMAN CAPTAIN AND HELMSMAN!!

Wow, I am pleasantly surprised. Just yesterday I predicted that the Brits will be successfully bullied into staying and looks what happens. This is a victory of the ordinary person against the elite. Congratulations to the UK. And now that other countries see this can be done, be on the look out for Holland, Austria, Denmark, Italy, France and more.

I've been saying for years on B92 that the EU was doomed and finished. People said I was crazy. Well you are witnessing it. Good riddance. Serbia, take note!

You are completely correct Nikolle. The UK has a class of people who can't be bothered to work and blame foreigners for everything. They have caused economic disaster for the rest and will start regretting it when their benefits are cut and health care is no longer free.

Happy independence day to all the Brits out there. You made the right choice!

"Long live sovereignty "

I fail to see what sovereignty the EU was denying Britain. As far as I know, its the Westminster gov. that sets the tax rate, VAT rate, income threshold and decided on matters of war (such as the Iraq war). Also, saw a lot of people in the Leave camp put themselves forth as defenders of democracy, well, the UK has an un elected head of state and house of lords, whats democratic about that? In any case, it doesn't matter to me, but from what I could gauge, this was merely a vote to leave due to concerns about immigration no other reason.

Ari : This is a victory of the ordinary person against the elite.


Most surprising is that England voted against EU. It makes possible two other referendums to bury the Common's Wealth and the remnants of the empire. It may save Serbia too.

Happy independence day to my fellow Brits! I am pleased we made the right choice and also pleased that Cameron has resigned. Boris Johnson will be our next Prime Minister followed by Jeremy Corbyn.

The fact United Kingdom got out from EU is the most good thing that could happened for Romania , all curency from East Europe collapsed and will collapse , we are most less affected by this + we have most big economical grow this year from entire Europe . Poland and Hungary are much more hit than Romania .

The world crisis + Greek crisis and now Great Britan out of UE are the most good things that could had happened .

Now the Polish zlot is as Romanian curency in 2015 it was with 15% 20% more strong .

Our curency won`t depreciate

Today happened the most good possible thing exactly when others started to drink again water and grow a little

Hay William uk are you happy or miserable you confuse me? Anyway congrats to UK, Scotland and northern Ireland should hold referendum to. Also Vojvodina for Independence . Oh yeah now I got it you are a sore loser

Because of Russian spy as factman United Kingdom is out of UE

To many Russian trools over the internet who manipulate the people

I know factman he is feed by Russia and Ukraine for manipulate the people

3% of Bretxit is because of factman and arigold and dragoliub who are Russian trools

The condemned residents of the fenced-in ghetto in KiM will eventually require a separate visa to visit London, in addition to the visa restricted access for excursions to other EU countries.

William - are you off your head?

The Jeremy Kyle brigade have got off thair fat, tracksuit covered backsides to vote for the first time in their lives on a policy of "I don't want no europeans telling me what to do" and the economy will implode.

Corbyn will never be prime minister - he is a public school educated, bleeding heart liberal who has no idea about the real word and is despised by most of the country. I, like many other lifelong labour voters, will never vote for Labour while he is in charge.

We will be stuck with that idiot Boris Johnson - the very worst of the selfish Tory types - who has got where he is by cleverly acting like an idiot to appeal to celebrity worshipping morons.

I wonder how long the feelings of euphoria will last in the UK. I think they bit more than they can chew. But, that's their choice. It was a democratic process and the people have spoken. Their decisions will be respected, for better or worse.

It will be interesting to see how the N. Ireland and Scotland issue plays out and how that affects England.

Good luck to you, Britain. I think tough times are ahead of you as the EU will be forced to come down with a heavy hand to discourage other members from leaving.

It's a short term victory for England. It's a potential opportunity for Scotland. It's a devastating blow to Great Britain.

Bravo to the English. They saved themselves.
(factman, 24 June 2016 13:35)

Well, it looks like the euphoria did not last long after the Brits saw what happened to the pound this morning.

It looks like that the majority of people voted based on emotions rather than understanding what they were really doing. No wonder GoogleTrends is showing this afternoon a 250% spike in people searching for "what happens if we leave the EU" https://twitter.com/GoogleTrends/status/746137920940056578... they should have probably asked that question on Wednesday lol

@ factman

oh dear, you're another one those who believes the EU is simply another acronym for Germany do you? i have actually been quite interested in this and have followed it closely, but I have to tell you, I find the arguments of the leave side, and Farrage especially, really bizarre, he seems to wish the EU would simply cease existing. Thing is this, now that the UK has decided to leave, it does not mean that it'll be free of the EU because the EU is a massive economic area, still the largest free trade area in the world, with whom business in the UK still do the majority of their trade with and such it will be influenced by it one way or another. At least being in, it would have given the UK a voice, now that they're out, they'll find that they to play by its rules, without having any say on what those rules are. To me, this looks like an own goal however way you look at it.

Determining how many immigrants Britain wants to let in is a matter of sovereignty.
(factman, 24 June 2016 15:51)

Sure. But half of the immigrants to the UK are not from the EU! As for the other half, those advocating leaving the EU say they will negotiate a free trade agreement with the EU, which btw will require free movement of workers, anyway (see Norway as an example). So, really UK leaving the EU will not have much of an impact in terms of immigration.

But, you are correct that UK leaving the EU it does indeed create an illusion that somehow that will reduce immigration! But it's just an illusion...
(icj1, 24 June 2016 16:58)

It was not an illusion when Brussels told Britain there is no limit to the amount of refugees that must be accepted.
(factman, 24 June 2016 17:23)

Of course it is an illusion, because Brussels never told Britain that there is no limit to the amount of refugees that must be accepted. Britain already has full control of its refugee admission policy because it is not part of the Schengen area. It has nothing to do with EU membership.

If, according to you, that's the reason the majority of Brits decided to leave, then that proves my point that they had no idea what they were voting about :)

No different than an airplane passing through momentary turbulence.
(factman, 24 June 2016 19:45)

Hmm, that’s not that re-assuring. Flight AF 447 was also passing through such momentary turbulence…
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Yes of course. The well educated British citizenry who are known for not being emotional...
..... according to you didn't know what they were voting on and were overly emotional.
Of course. How could we miss that?
That commentary is ridiculous.
(factman, 24 June 2016 22:27)

You said that they voted to leave because “Brussels told Britain there is no limit to the amount of refugees that must be accepted”, but Brussels never told that to Britain and it could not without Britain's agreement!

Mate, if you don’t know why the Brits voted to leave, it’s OK. You don’t have to come up with nonsense, at best, or lies, at worst. People sometimes vote based on emotions instead of logical thinking, and that’s OK – it still must be respected. That's democracy.

UK should now leave the EU so the Brits have an opportunity to face the hard truth that free having and eating of cake is not an option, regardless of how many times somebody votes for it! Unfortunately for the 52%, the new prime minister will have to break one of promises: migration or economy…
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It would be correct to say that you don't know what you are speaking about
(factman, 24 June 2016 22:27)

But still you can’t point to a single thing I’m saying that is incorrect lol

Can anyone tell me how does this help or harm Balkan countries? Fact of the matter is Balkan countries are just not well developed economically, and will not be anytime soon.

Brexit showed the world how a country operates under a true democratic government. I wish I could say the same for Balkans, but their governments are corrupt. France should have the opportunity for a referendum, and every other EU nation should hold a referendum.

EU will not fall apart all together, some will remain, and I know this is a time where countries like Serbia and Albania will get friendly invitations to join in, even though neither one are ready anytime soon.

I strongly advise Balkan countries to stay away from EU for the next few years, but I am sure their desperate individual political agendas will drag the entire nations into something they are not prepared for.

Amnesty, in reality Albanians don't need visa's, they have been flooding the UK in boats and tagging along with refugees. But the UK is not part of the Schengen so our borders aren't open like the rest of the EU. Non-EU members need a visa regardless.

Very bad result for the UK, driven by narrow minded uneducated voters who fail to comprehend that the world has changed since the 50s.

As to how this will affect the Western Balkans, obviously further expansion of the EU is put on hold until further notice. Less money will flow for EU Accession purposes. The good days are behind us, this will become clear later

The only positive development is that erdo made a comedy stand today threatening (??!!) that turkey will hold a referendum about being interested or not in joining EU (as if turkey is deciding to join or not). Hopefully the anatolia voters and erdo believers will vote against joining EU. This will just accelerate turkey's dismantling that currently takes place.

"Determining how many immigrants Britain wants to let in is a matter of sovereignty."

How on earth do you actually determine that? However, the whole point about free movement, was that it works both ways, so by that logic, Germany did not have sovereignty either.

Determining how many immigrants Britain wants to let in is a matter of sovereignty.
(factman, 24 June 2016 15:51)

Sure. But half of the immigrants to the UK are not from the EU! As for the other half, those advocating leaving the EU say they will negotiate a free trade agreement with the EU, which btw will require free movement of workers, anyway (see Norway as an example). So, really UK leaving the EU will not have much of an impact in terms of immigration.

But, you are correct that UK leaving the EU it does indeed create an illusion that somehow that will reduce immigration! But it's just an illusion...

I wonder if Serbia will behave as if nothing has happened?

Give it a break Andy, the fear campaign of remain has had a large impact on the ignorant. Those that voted remain did so out of fear while those that voted leave did so out of strength. What is going to change now? There is a two year transition period and when all the dust settles, we will have the best of both worlds.

As for immigration, we will have an Australian based points system where we will take in those that will benefit our economy while all the free riders will be kept out.

I seriously don't understand any Brit who thinks unaccountable unelected bureaucrats in Brussels will serve our interests better than our politicians in London. At least we can kick them out if they fail us.

Andy UK, i voted out, i work, i am educated (engineer), i work in an office with engineers, from mechanical to production. Out of 12 people only 1 voted remain. so lets not tar everyone with the same brush.
(Dave UK, 24 June 2016 11:26)

Andy is reporting statistics over all Great Britain, you are reporting statistics over 12 people. Well done Sir, well done. Now, if you want to sell whatever Great Britain is famous for (engineering designs perhaps?) in the EU you will have to accept free movement of people. Simple as that. Good luck to your next Prime Minister, he might want to talk with Tsipras on how to deal with the aftermath of this kind of referendums :). Of course, I am assuming you are really British and not the kind of some of our Serb expats here, who would love nothing more than to see the UK fail.

It appears that a lot of people on this site were terribly wrong, and now need to go to Plan B.

It is now predictable that the wealthy Scandinavian countries will exit next

The EU’s power against Serbia just took a big dip down.

Bravo to the English. They saved themselves.

Long live sovereignty

Down with centralized political imposition.

Long live the people of Britain

Einstein is right (unlike the stupidity, the Universe could be finite).
I was wrong (hoping that the vote would be rigged).

The idiots got Soviet Union, Jugoslavija, Czechoslovakia - and learned nothing.
This is a major disaster, more to come, just hope I will retire before USA breaks up.

Tony USA

Don't forget Northen Epirus i Albania. It needs to be returned to Greece. And Krajina to the sebs. Besides Republka Srpska needs real independence.

@factman

Im not suggesting that they will starve, Im saying their influence will diminish. Plus, if they want access to the free market, they HAVE to accept free movement of people, as Norway and Switzerland have. They are sovereign tovsay no to that, but at what cost? Thats the point I am making, they will not be free of the EU when out

It was not an illusion when Brussels told Britain there is no limit to the amount of refugees that must be accepted.
(factman, 24 June 2016 17:23)

Of course it is an illusion, because Brussels never told Britain that there is no limit to the amount of refugees that must be accepted. Britain already has full control of its refugee admission policy because it is not part of the Schengen area. It has nothing to do with EU membership.

If, according to you, that's the reason the majority of Brits decided to leave, then that proves my point that they had no idea what they were voting about :)
(icj1, 24 June 2016 20:21)

See link where Angela Merkel demands that all EU member states be legally bound to accept more refugees.
[link]
And here: Britain will be forced by Brussels to accept more refugees:
[link]
(factman, 25 June 2016 04:15)

Did you actually read you own links?! Nowhere in those links there is anything that says that Brussels told Britain there is no limit to the amount of refugees that must be accepted lol

But that link does say that the plan "will need approval from all 28 EU governments before it can be implemented". So UK already has full control of the amount of refugees that it accepts.

You are continuing to prove my point that if (according to you), that's the reason the majority of Brits decided to leave, then they had no idea what they were voting about :)

Relax little chetniks! All the Brexit does for Serbia is to extend its visit at the EU Proctology exam. Rest assured Germany will have the last shot at schadenfreude.

This is now finished, the UK has voted to leave, for good or ill. I'm far more curious to see what this'll do to the UK itself what with Scotland and Northern Ireland being taken out of the EU, courtesy of English votes. It does not seem as if the Union can survive this.

Tony USA : Also Vojvodina for Independence .


Also Texas for Independence. By the way how many Hungarians live in Vojvodina you think?

If I were a Brit when voting i would ask myself a question:
Was UK better or worse before joining EU (back then EEC) OR after?

English and Welsh voted out, Scots, NI and Gibraltar voted in. IR fears a new war, Scots want another referendum and Gibraltarians now need a visa to take a piss.

Anyway, this is a huge victory for all the people who see democracy, freedom, sovereignty and liberty in guys like Putin, Trump, Farage, Le Pen, Ayatollah Kahmenei, Kim III etc.

@factman

Im not suggesting that they will starve, Im saying their influence will diminish. Plus, if they want access to the free market, they HAVE to accept free movement of people, as Norway and Switzerland have. They are sovereign tovsay no to that, but at what cost? Thats the point I am making, they will not be free of the EU when out

Well, it is the end of an era and I would try to help somehow the 'remain' campaigners with some hints today. First off, I did enjoy those posters featured everywhere, including London buses & showing Buckingham Palace with the Albanian flag onto it.... That was a very smart choice indeed! Secondly, as of 2014, 790.000 people born in Poland were estimated to be resident in the UK. In 2012, 101.000 Romanian-born people were resident in the UK, two years later there were 170.000 of them...basing the whole enlargement policy on mere (and stupid) geopolitical factors, it doesn't always pay off, dear Brussels-based EU enthusiasts. Mogerini, Hollande, Cameron, Renzi, Merkel, all you can afford at the moment, are just inept clowns if we compare them to the likes of Jean Monet, Robert Schuman, Altiero Spinelli, Adenauer, De Gaulle, De Gasperi, Churchill himself. You gotta blame your own low profile political culture Brits, citing here my favourite pundit - Vladimir Vladimirovic...

Also Vojvodina for Independence . Oh yeah now I got it you are a sore loser
(Tony USA, 24 June 2016 16:18)

Why? Do you have a reason or is this just mindless spam I should have known better for acknowledging?

Nikolle,

The 5th largest economy in the world, financial capital of the world, with a security council seat, and a strong defense will do just fine outside of the EU, I am sure.

Did they lose some things they had before? Sure. But they gained back their Sovereignty.

You are a man who doesn't get the big picture and gets hung up on little things.
(factman, 26 June 2016 04:39)

well, you said that 52% of Brits voted to leave because “Brussels told Britain there is no limit to the amount of refugees that must be accepted”, when Brussels never told that to Britain. So, 17+ million people making a decision on how to vote based on a lie is a small little thing according to you?!!!
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Read the second article to see that they were threatened.
(factman, 26 June 2016 04:39)

I read it and I don't see that. You’re just making it up. That article says there was a proposal on refugees that "will need approval from all 28 EU governments before it can be implemented". So it is already under UK’s control. So, it's total nonsense for you to say that was the reason Brits voted to leave the EU. Unless, of course, you are considering Brits idiots who can’t understand a simple fact that they already have the power to control refugees however they see it fit!
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In any event, there was nothing emotional about it
(factman, 26 June 2016 04:39)

So far you have not provided any logical reason that makes sense. Since I don't think Brits are idiots, the only possible explanation that remains is that it was an emotional vote :)
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Britain wants to be left alone.
(factman, 26 June 2016 04:39)

They still want to trade with the EU, for good reason because that half billion people market buys half of the British exports.

JONI : I can’t see the future but the past is evident to me. Yugoslavia was a better place to live …

WELCOME HOME !!!


Nikolle : It does not seem as if the Union can survive this.

YOU’RE SMARTER THAN YOU USED TO SOUND !


skepticism : Very bad result for the UK, driven by narrow minded uneducated voters

17 Mln.?

skepticism : The good days are behind us, this will become clear later

It’s already clear so it’s time to pack things. Welcome home!


EUdude : Tony, i think you are mentally confused - by the sinking ship you mean your little stupid island, right? And btw, why are you a Brit in Berlin if you seem to hate German politics so much?

DON’T BE PANIC AND SEE WHAT A NICE PEOPLE SERBS ARE TO LIVE TOGETHER!

But, you are correct that UK leaving the EU it does indeed create an illusion that somehow that will reduce immigration! But it's just an illusion...

(icj1,


Yesterday Polish ambassador of NATO in a talk show on RTR TV sai that "Albanians do not need visas to reach Britain because they use boats and trucks instead". you say the same about the illusions. is it a day og confession today?

And some other guzs who see Kosovo independence as an useful precedent:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/brexit-what-is-the-eu-google_us_576d2dfee4b0dbb1bbba3911

When Chamerlain signed the Munich Agreement British people were divided. It was AFTER they united against fascism!

"Brussels never told Britain to accept refugees"
-- icj1

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See link where Angela Merkel demands that all EU member states be legally bound to accept more refugees.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/03/germany-france-eu-refugee-quotas-migration-crisis


And here: Britain will be forced by Brussels to accept more refugees:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11596320/Britain-will-be-forced-by-Brussels-to-accept-Mediterranean-migrants.html


In 10 years most people will be saying: "Angela who?"

Long live Liberty and Sovereignty.

Down with imposed central control.

The people of Britain have voted and made their decision and others will soon follow.

Johnson said "We will not turn our back on EU. We are part of Europe".
British MP saying "Free movement of labour may not end".
Spain and France saying "We will respect our agreements with UK".

The only thing that's gone change for sure is UK having no vote in EU.

The Serbs do not know any EU, we've never been there, never had any access to that elite club, have no say in how the illuminated society operates, to what end, at whose behest, in whose interest and for whose benefit or why, and so "the end of EU as we know it" is immaterial and metaphysical from the average Serbian citizen's point of view. From the Serbian perspective of a perennial outsider, lamenting the imminent collapse of the European Union makes as much sense as lamenting the collision of two black holes hundred billion light years away. We might have shown some minor interest and given some ephemeral s**t about the whole darn EU implosion had we ever been invited. Luckily, we have not been and we never will be -- a status that works just fine for us at this point, thank you so very much.

When EU asks Serbia for its helping hand - a moment rapidly approaching, I am sure - they should receive the same middle finger (only longer and fatter) they have been giving us for the past four decades.

Dude,

You are a man who doesn't get the big picture and gets hung up on little things. Read the second article to see that they were threatened.

In any event, there was nothing emotional about it (and as I write this movements in 5 additional countries want out)

Britain wants to be left alone.

They don't want continual efforts to curtail their sovreignty.

They don't want to deal with endless poor country problems.

They don't want immigrants changing their way of life.

They don't want to ship out $9B more than they get from the EU to support poor countries.

Don't worry, Britain will live long and prosper outside of the EU (as they have for the better part of the last 3 centuries).

You should worry more about yourself and your own people

The EU will soon be a collection of insolvent nations sending loan payments each month to Berlin. A collection of countries that can't make it on their own.

Bye Bye EU

Angela who?

Can anyone tell me how does this help or harm Balkan countries?
(EU, 24 June 2016 10:14)

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Dear EU: (never thought I could say this without gagging :-); here's how Brexit will help - not hurt - Serbia. One caveat, though: I don't know - or care - how Brexit will affect Balkans beyond Serbia).

- Firstly, for the foreseeable future, Germany will be too busy coping with the centrifugal forces within EU to be able to resume exerting its terrorizing monopoly on Serbia. This is good news indeed, as we will be seeing - for the first time in 30 years - other, more benign and benevolent political and economic actors in the Balkans.

- Secondly: relentless political and military pressure on Serbia in general, and Srpska in particular will finally, at long last, subside.

- Thirdly: the capital dependency on Eurozone will gradually decline, which is terrific news. This will undoubtedly cause us some short-term liquidity bottlenecks, but in the intermediate run, we will endure and thrive.

- Fourthly: our political elites will be under tremendous political and popular pressure to abandon the silly "EU has no alternatives" model of sycophancy. This is, to paraphrase Boris Johnson, a glorious moment, indeed.

- Finally, as Germans wake up to realization that they are mere-mortals, not economic or planetary gods, they may yet be compelled to rethink their deeply entrenched and, frankly, profoundly racist perception of the Serbian people. You can say I am a dreamer...

Andy UK, i voted out, i work, i am educated (engineer), i work in an office with engineers, from mechanical to production. Out of 12 people only 1 voted remain. so lets not tar everyone with the same brush.

I’m happy for them who choose to leave just because they were to scared about the integration Balkan countries using a disgraceful campaign against Balkan nations.
I personally have no idea what will happen now – I hope that it have not an negative influence in G. Britain having preset that Scotland and Ireland voted to stay in EU.
I can’t see the future but the past is evident to me. Yugoslavia was a better place to live more than those live, and so is EU.
If Brexit have a negative influence in EU it will came like a boomerang just in poor countries because the richest one can afford it.
So, hope that Brexit to have a good influence not a negative one.

You are right Joni, I did see an ad highlighting Turkey and Albania joining the EU as a scare tactic for the leave campaign. You have to understand that Europeans are frightened at the prospect of 75 million Turks joining the EU and it did have an influence on the campaign.

I fail to see what sovereignty the EU was denying Britain.

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Determining how many immigrants Britain wants to let in is a matter of sovereignty.

A majority of the British do not want others to make that determination for them.

This is a matter of Sovereignty.

All central governments known since the inception of mankind are all the same: They will continue to take away your rights one-by-one.

Thomas Jefferson understood this very well.

Long live sovereignty and the people of Britain.

Down with imposed central control.

The Brits will do just fine and prosper (as they always have).

It was not an illusion when Brussels told Britain there is no limit to the amount of refugees that must be accepted.

And they actually thought that the people of Britain would accept diktat.

Now they can have what they always wanted: The European Union of Deustchland.

Well, it looks like the euphoria did not last long after the Brits saw what happened to the pound this morning.

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No different than an airplane passing through momentary turbulence.

By Monday morning it will all be gone.

The Empire wants you to believe that you cannot live without the empire.

Liberated minds know otherwise.

For those who need a union, let them join.

For those who do not need a union let them leave.

In time the union will be a collection of insolvent states led by a central banker in Berlin who makes money on monthly interest payments.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/brexit-what-is-the-eu-google_us_576d2dfee4b0dbb1bbba3911

This is what happens when clowns escape from circus!

If, according to you, that's the reason the majority of Brits decided to leave, then that proves my point that they had no idea what they were voting about :)

icj1

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Yes of course. The well educated British citizenry who are known for not being emotional...

..... according to you didn't know what they were voting on and were overly emotional.

Of course. How could we miss that?

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That commentary is ridiculous.

It would be correct to say that you don't know what you are speaking about

Go get a job.

And some other guys who see Kosovo independence as an useful precedent:

https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-declare-london-independent-from-the-uk-and-apply-to-join-the-eu

When Chamberlain signed the Munich Agreement British people were divided. It was AFTER they united against fascism:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-petition-for-second-eu-referendum-so-popular-the-government-sites-crashing-a7099996.html

Nikolle:

I can agree only partially with you.

I believe that the EU will not exist much longer in its current makeup. As I write this the cracks have gotten wider and deeper. The world has changed significantly in 48 hours.

I believe their influence will remain as is.


Adrian - Bucharest:

You really are a strange one aren't you? I can assure you that I am a Jeffersonian American.

List of dates predicting the End of the EU is longer than those predicting the Apocalypse.

EU is based on capitalism. Capitalism has cyclical crisis all the time. But none of them till far ended capitalism, every single crisis makes it stronger.

Of course there will be a final crisis which will end not only EU or USA but entire capitalist system but it`s nothing enthustiastic about that.

The crisis that ended The Roman Empire was followed by the Dark Ages. The fall of capitalism won`t come as a relief but as the most destructive war in human history.

Till then keep calm and enjoy your time.

They don't want continual efforts to curtail their sovreignty.
They don't want to deal with endless poor country problems.
They don't want immigrants changing their way of life.
(factman, 26 June 2016 04:39)

All those things are great, but how leaving the EU will achieve that?!
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They don't want to ship out $9B more than they get from the EU to support poor countries.
(factman, 26 June 2016 04:39)

Really?! But they still want the money that the EU ships out to the UK’s poor areas! In addition, UK will still have to pay billions in order to trade with the EU, anyway (see Norway for example) regardless of whether they are an EU member lol

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Don't worry, Britain will live long and prosper outside of the EU. You should worry more about yourself and your own people
(factman, 26 June 2016 04:39)

That’s a contradictory advice lol How can I not worry about Britain but worry about my own people hahaha
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Bye Bye EU
(factman, 26 June 2016 04:39)

Yes, Britain will now have to say bye bye to the EU and face the hard truth that free having and eating of cake does not work. Unfortunately for the 52%, the new prime minister will have to break one of promises: migration or economy…
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Angela who?
(factman, 26 June 2016 04:39)

Angela, the one who will set the terms under which the UK will be able to sell its goods and services to a half billion people market. Just a small thing lol

@ factman

Norway is not part of the EU, honestly its not good to write without knowing things. and for what its wroth, I don't the EU is going anywhere

@ factman
You are a smart guy which has it’s own point of view, and partially I agree. But let me tell how I see it.
The most powerful powers we known were always US and Russia. And suddenly the most powerful leader last year was Angela Merkel ( EU ). This 3-d superpower cornered both US and Russia in some occasions. So, a strong and powerful EU, mean less influence in Europe for US and Russia. Serbia is in EU path and Albania voted against US and Israel pro Palestine in the same line that EU voted – so?? US and Russia are losing influence in EU, and is not in their interest a strong EU. Those countries need conflicts to make them seeing like the “good” guys while EU don't need conflicts on its own borders.
Maybe I’m wrong but I still remember the Merkel words “ If we don't stabilize Balkan, we will have another conflict in Europe”. Now, nobody gives a s$$t when Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania joined the EU, but when it came to MNE, Serbia, Fyrom and Albania somebody got “crazy” about. We are all small countries to have some influence in EU or GB so all I wonder why those got “crazy” about?
Continue.....

@ factman
I don’t like tell this but I think this is the truth: If somebody like or need a war in Europe the only nations in which you can find a “spark” those are MNE, MK, SRB and AL. For the first time EU take seriously Balkan and are trying to keep it under their shield – EU is the only which don’t need conflicts in their borders. But for sure somebody got crazy about, because that mean 0 influence in Europe. Call me a crazy but I will trust Germans this time! Germans are not the same they were in WWII as much as Jews are not the same.

I wonder if Serbia will behave as if nothing has happened?
(rote, 24 June 2016 09:43)
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Without a doubt. Too bad the election just took place. If the election was towards the end of the year I think Vucic and Co. would think twice about rushing into EU but now that they have years to wreck Serbia they will be fast tracked into EU.

just hope I will retire before USA breaks up.
(Ataman, 24 June 2016 13:39)

Never underestimate the stupidi-err-power of Texans.

The Brits will do just fine and prosper (as they always have).
(factman, 24 June 2016 15:51)

Well said… and a lot more to come...

The only thing that's gone change for sure is UK having no vote in EU.
(Free, 25 June 2016 12:31
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That's assuming that the people of Britain ever had any influence on Burssels in the first place.
This was the first domino. The rest will fall and eventually EU will fall. Countries will have charge of their own destiny again.

3% of Bretxit is because of factman and arigold and dragoliub who are Russian trools
(adrian_bucharest, 25 June 2016 14:21)

I would go mad and say something like that only if my team would be beaten by Albania. Wait, what did happen?

You still can get some relief and steal their horses. Wait, what did happen?

Kudos to deda cvteko.

I'd add only 1 thing.

The pressure from the EU was not always malignant. It was beneficial also. Tne EU was making Serbia slowly but surely professionalize its operations.

If Serbs are to be smart they would continue down that same path. No short cuts. Just do it. There will be no small amount of temptation to go the route of shortcuts or to go for the easy fix.

if anything, this is a big wakeup call for Vucic. He better get with t and make it happen. There won't be a security blanket around for long.

You got your second mandate, Now step up to the plate and just do what is necessary an do it the right way. It will be painful, but you only need do it once.

Andy is reporting statistics over all Great Britain, you are reporting statistics over 12 people. Well done Sir, well done. Now, if you want to sell whatever Great Britain is famous for (engineering designs perhaps?) in the EU you will have to accept free movement of people. Simple as that. Good luck to your next Prime Minister, he might want to talk with Tsipras on how to deal with the aftermath of this kind of referendums :). Of course, I am assuming you are really British and not the kind of some of our Serb expats here, who would love nothing more than to see the UK fail.
(Reader, 26 June 2016 06:10)

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If you are criticizing one sample size, then perhaps you should tell us the source, and sample size of Andy's data. Otherwise we can only chuckle at your unbelievable written statement that Andy is reporting the complete demographics of all voters and the results of their secretly cast ballots across all of the U.K.

Do your homework. GB gives 9B more than it gets back.

All the post-vote press and commentary is very shrill.

I believe that at the time of this writing the sun is about to rise in GB. Amazing. I thought it was going to be perpetually dark.

Norway next. Austria and Sweden follow. Greece afterwards.

Down with imposed central control. Up with Sovereignty.

in 6 months everyone will write that what GB did was brilliant and with great foresight.

I'm sorry, but i don't know what Angela you are speaking of? The one who destroyed the EU and brought hundreds of terrorists to the continent? The lame duck?

Relax little chetniks! All the Brexit does for Serbia is to extend its visit at the EU Proctology exam. Rest assured Germany will have the last shot at schadenfreude.

(The Count of Kosova, 26 June 2016 20:06)

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Nikolle, you are right (although Norway is a part of the European Economic Area and Schengen). I may have mis-spoken, but gist remains the same.

The spirit of the times has changed. No country with responsible debt and responsible behavior towards its citizenry wants centralized control imposed... nor more immigrants than they can handle... nor a slow motion erasure of their culture... nor to send cash to finance perpetually debt ridden economies with no chance of ever escaping the debt spiral.

Joni, I agree with what you say, but the countries of the Balkans need to step up to the plate and work it out themselves. They cannot forever need momma and papa to reconcile differences. Maturity means doing it yourself.

I believe the West is tired and just wants to be left alone to go on vacation and not be bothered with perpetual problems from certain areas of the world.

I believe that what you are seeing is a revolt of a certain class of people. It is very real and I believe it will continue. And I believe the social structures of the EU are very threatened by it.

Bravo to the English. They saved themselves.
(factman, 24 June 2016 13:35)

Well, it looks like the euphoria did not last long after the Brits saw what happened to the pound this morning.
(icj1, 24 June 2016 17:07)

By Monday morning it will all be gone.
(factman, 24 June 2016 19:45)

Monday came and went and the pound got pounded even more. You got it wrong again and again, mate. But, keep trying. Hopefully, you'll get something right at some point.

And not just the pound. S&P and Fitch cut UK's credit rating and Moody's put it on negative outlook. Banks (that pay a good chunk of the taxes that are used to help those who voted to leave) are starting plans for moving to Edinburgh, Frankfurt or Paris. Not sure who's going to pick up the tab...
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in 6 months everyone will write that what GB did was brilliant and with great foresight.
(factman, 27 June 2016 04:50)

Oops, sorry, just noticed your update timeline, from Monday to December! There is just a small detail missing, namely that you did not explain what will happen during these 6 months that will cause this to reverse! Or perhaps (similarly to the Leave campaign) you are saying that we should not use at any facts, data or logic, but we should just trust you that everything will be fine?! Hopefully you're right, even though given the fact that there are few things, if any, that you've ever got right, that does not look that promising :)

Oh my goodness, icj1 you are right.

You won't believe what happened today!!

The sky fell down on this side of the Atlantic. I also heard that there are giant tidal waves bearing down on the Shetland Islands... and that clouds are forecast to block the sun for a minimum of 123 years into the future which will cause all crops to die.

I also heard that these new viruses have sprouted up that are resistant to bacteria and that in only 1.5 years all of us will be transmuted to amphibians living under water.

You were really right! I can't believe it. The world is ending!!!!

Help us! Save us! Please icj1 do something about it. Please go talk to the British people and show them they are wrong! Help!

You read too many newspapers.

The globalist agenda of one super state, open borders, free money for all who need it is coming to an end.

Strong fences make good neighbors.

icj1:

And the move toward equilibrium has begun as the economies of the world see that the Shrill Voices of Doom..... and the Purveyors of Fear (people like you and the Remain crowd who suffered such devastating blows to your egos and world views) recognize that its just another day.

See link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/business/dealbook/daily-stock-market-activity.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

The Brits will laugh all the way to the bank as Britain has now become a very affordable vacation spot... and its good and services are now priced less than the EU.

Oh my goodness, icj1 you are right.
(factman, 28 June 2016 16:04)

You're finally starting to understand something.
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You won't believe what happened today!!
The sky fell down on this side of the Atlantic. I also heard that there are giant tidal waves bearing down on the Shetland Islands...
(factman, 28 June 2016 16:04)

Yes, you are correct mate that I won't believe that. Few people, if any, would believe something that you write just because you wrote it lol But keep trying...
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Please go talk to the British people and show them they are wrong! Help!
(factman, 28 June 2016 16:04)

Why me?! I said already that it's OK for somebody to vote emotionally. It still must be respected. If you think that's wrong, feel free to follow your own advice!
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You read too many newspapers.
(factman, 28 June 2016 16:04)

I just read the links you provided and they proved my point lol
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The globalist agenda of one super state, open borders, free money for all who need it is coming to an end.
(factman, 28 June 2016 16:04)

Sure, whatever that means. But not sure what does that have to do with the topic of UK voting to leave the EU!
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Strong fences make good neighbors.
(factman, 28 June 2016 16:04)

Of course, but again not sure what that has to do with UK voting the leave the EU! It sounds like you have some reasoning challenges when linking things lol