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Thursday, 23.06.2016.

09:41

Serbia cannot be neutral and join EU - German official

Serbia needs to declare itself in accordance with the foreign policy positions of the EU; a country that wants to join cannot have a neutral position.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

By the way, you albos are going to find it tough to get to the UK now.
(Den, 25 June 2016 06:33)

Yup, the albos are going to find it as hard as the Serbs to get to the UK.

In addition, both albos and Serbs need a visa to go to the UK already, so whether the UK is in or out of the EU changes nothing.

Den

pre 7 godina

Hey Vojvodina....
I've seen your last few comments. They are absolutely ridiculous. Why are you trolling in the name of a province? Some siptar/govno thinks they are clever.
What's prospering in the EU? What has Russia and Pride have to do with anything economic?
Forget Vojvodina, its not going anywhere, with that demographic.
Do worry about Kosovo, your masters are more worried about themselves every day, rather than some backwards people useful for nefarious means. How long? By the way, you albos are going to find it tough to get to the UK now.
Piece by piece....
Your politicians arent throwing teargas for nothing.

Ataman

pre 7 godina

The West and prosperity or Russia and pride. That's the only choice we've ever had. I hope we get smart this time.
(Vojvodina, 24 June 2016 09:08)

You had neither, Comrade Donkey Hoxha.
You had either Comrade Mao or Comrade Hitler. And you chose both.

http://www.kosovo.net/skenderbeyss.html

Faleminderit.

Marko

pre 7 godina

If Serbia joins the EU....then they are clearly a country that has lost its way. Totally lost its way. It will not end good for them.

KCOJ

pre 7 godina

BBC is claiming the UK has voted to LEAVE the European Union.

It appears as though the EU is falling apart.

Perhaps SERBIA should HALT any further efforts to jump through EU hopes and simply stay out of the EU.

stev-o

pre 7 godina

Technically speaking Germany recognized Croatia and Slovenia as independent states before they were actually independent states: otherwise, if they were already independent (which is a matter of international consensus, and not simply some theoretic construct) Germany wouldn't have had to offer recognition.
As such recognizing a not-yet recognized state, by being among the first to do so, the notion of premature does have a foothold in the argument.
One might also argue that individual states' recognition in general is a matter of premature recognition, and should be avoided until a state is properly and fully recognized by the United Nations: after all, isn't that part of the roll of the UN, and not that of individual nations.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 7 godina

"Asked about "the claims that the EU, including including Germany, and the United States, want to destabilize Serbia and bring down (PM Aleksandar) Vucic," he called them "absurd," and added: "I am convinced that people in Serbia will not believe this. "

I am convinced that people in Serbia believe it, like they believe in any other conspiracy theory. I'm sure the percentage of citizens who believe in the "lunar landing hoax" theory must be the highest in the whole world :)

icj1

pre 7 godina

Germany's premature recognition of Croatia and Bosnia was the spark that lit the fuse. An acknowledgement of this tragic mistake would be a start.
(Stan, 23 June 2016 11:59)

Well, Germany recognized Croatia and Bosnia once they were independent states, per decision of their citizens. Germany did not recognize them before they became independent states. So, I'm not really sure what you mean by "premature", especially since Croatia and Bosnia are not complaining about it!
(icj1, 23 June 2016 15:35)

the recognition was pushed through by kohl and Genscher.
(Stan, 23 June 2016 17:14)

Ok... but still you did not clarify why it was "premature" and whom it was "premature" for?! Obviously it was not "premature" for the countries concerned, namely Croatia, Bosnia and Germany...

factman

pre 7 godina

The EU is not a monolithic bloc. A number of countries in the EU are neutral.

Here is another example of how the EU is not a monolithic bloc. A few months ago, Hungary was told to heel by Germany and let the migrants through. Hungary refused.

Finally, all of this is a moot point because by the time Serbia even gets into the EU, Russia and the EU will be buddy-buddy (just like they are now behind closed doors)

Moderate EU Citizen Serbs in Vojvodina

pre 7 godina

EU Citizen = Vojvodina = Moderate Serb.
Why not wish him a happy birthday?

Being one year older and wiser never hurts.

http://tinyurl.com/htcy74t

Take a deep breath, get exercise and your donkey up in the mountains.

Drymades

pre 7 godina

Ataman, Rama has been the acting trustee of Pacolli's assets for at least 10 years now. In Albania and recently in Kosovo as well. That's the reason why Tirana's bipolar complexed peasant and failed painter is being so proactive in Prishtina recently. At the end of the day, it's all about the flag you know ;)

Je¿ albañski i g³upi

pre 7 godina

Why fight about another topic you also know nothing about.
(EU Citizen, 23 June 2016 16:35)

Even better answer. Because our pants

http://tinyurl.com/zdmgtcl

are still better than your eagle.

http://tinyurl.com/zc47zbt

That's why.

Ataman

pre 7 godina

Why fight about another topic you also know nothing about.
(EU Citizen, 23 June 2016 16:35)

1) Because it's fun.
2) Because actually, regardless how stupid I am... I am still an EU Citizen, you are not. Except your donkeys, who can roam to Greece and breed across the border.
3) You still can breed and over-breed your EU-Citizen neighbors.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

If Serbia votes to remain outside the EU, it does not get Kosovo back :)
(icj1, 23 June 2016 15:43)

And yet, whether Serbia votes to remain outside the EU or not, "kosovo" does not become a country. An occupation, protectorate and other euphemisms for a miserable backwater that the KLA have turned Kosovo-Metohija into does not equal a country. :)

Stan

pre 7 godina

Icj- the recognition was pushed through by kohl and Genscher. Britain was reticent, along with others, as civil war was likely given the provocations of the Serb minority by Hdz and the historical contexts. This was overcome at Maastricht, when Major was given several opt outs in return for their recognition. And no, many Croatians are not happy, and still unable to return to their homes.

EU Citizen

pre 7 godina

All these years it has been very gratifying watching Serbia self destruct, the reason being her Enemies know what she does not.

sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia

pre 7 godina

We,Serb's will cross that path ,when it is in the Chapters,and decide what decision Serbia will make.Too much talk by minister's opion ,and not what's in black or white paper in Chapters.Thank you ,minister from Germany for your 1€ worth opion.
Now ,next minister's opion !.

rote

pre 7 godina

If Serbia votes to remain outside the EU, it does not get Kosovo back :)

(icj1, 23 June 2016 15:43)

А ЗАЧЕМ ТЕБЕ ЖУЖЖАТЬ, ЕСЛИ ТЫ НЕ ПЧЕЛА? In other words why are you so worried about it? Since when do you take care of the Serbs?

EU Citizen

pre 7 godina

Why give land away in exchange for a collapsing corrupt union.
(Smart Serb, 23 June 2016 14:34)


S.S,
Why should the EU give money to a sinking ship like Serbia. Let their "friends" donate to a desperate Serbia.

William UK

pre 7 godina

It is not just about Sweden, Finland and Austria, as we can see, the EU does make exceptions when they have lost the battle with NATO membership. Serbia will just be another on this list.

The same can be said with Spain, Cyprus, Greece, Slovakia and Romania, that is recognition of Kosovo never reached consensus also. Exceptions are made and again, Serbia will just be another member on this list. I don't see why Serbia needs to recognise Kosovo if other members have not. It is even mentioned in this article that recognition is not a condition.

EU Citizen

pre 7 godina

"Serbia cannot be neutral and join EU - German official"
Yes, indeed, Austria, Sweden and Finland cannot be neutral and join EU.

@B92: guys, where you got these geniuses? Is it that bad that you can't get any other topic?

Let's fight instead regarding UEFA. More fun.
(Ataman, 23 June 2016 15:35)


Why fight about another topic you also know nothing about.

Ataman

pre 7 godina

What about Sweden, Finland, Austria?
(Мића, 23 June 2016 15:54)

1) Sweden and Finland are not neutral, their hockey team fights these vodka-drinking MIG-29-flying bears with some limited success, at least once in a while.

2) Austrians are not neutral either, even while losing to Hungary and Iceland they seem to perform better this year (within UEFA) than Russians and Ukrainians combined.

3) If the issue is not about ice hockey or UEFA, I ran out of ideas (regarding Sweden, Finland, Austria being useful against Russia to any degree).

4) Looking at NATO being useful or not, I think ice hockey or UEFA has a more compelling Reason d'etre.

5) I see our beloved Team of Eggheads™ progressing real strong. At this stage beating Ukraine or even Russia is possible, at least within UEFA. Ice hockey is still lightyears away. But if Edi Rama teams up with the money of Beghjet Pacolli... who knows.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 7 godina

"Cannot be neutral" is a predictably vague term by the EU to mean "neutral on Russia". Yet here's the problem: even Germany doesn't want to be "in accordance with the foreign policy positions of the Union" since German public opinion is widely in favor of lifting the sanctions and resuming pre-Crimea economic relations.

So if there is no clear unity on EU foreign policy among its existing members, why should there be any expectation Serbia will be any different?

Another rhetorically empty statement from a German official representing a country that bucks the rules at every possible turn because of its large size and perceived importance to the organization. But considering official policies of the EU on most of the issues pertaining to Serbia and the Balkans are inherently vague and status neutral, to call for compliance is essentially an innocuous threat to obey a set of rules no one at the top really follows.

icj1

pre 7 godina

Kosovo or E.U?
Why give land away in exchange for a collapsing corrupt union.
(Smart Serb, 23 June 2016 14:34)

Well, Kosovo or E.U. is not an option that is on the ballot since Serbia can't give away something that does not have. But, I've got to admit you are a good salesperson for trying to get something in return for something that you don'the have lol

The options are:

1. Remain outside the EU without Kosovo

2. Join the EU without Kosovo

If Serbia votes to remain outside the EU, it does not get Kosovo back :)

Ataman

pre 7 godina

"Serbia cannot be neutral and join EU - German official"
Yes, indeed, Austria, Sweden and Finland cannot be neutral and join EU.

@B92: guys, where you got these geniuses? Is it that bad that you can't get any other topic?

Let's fight instead regarding UEFA. More fun.

Dwight

pre 7 godina

Majority of Serbs would vote against E.U as polls suggest. Politicians should leave the decision to the people and not western influence and pressure.
(Smart Serb, 23 June 2016 14:34)

Serbs had a chance to vote against the EU a few months ago. They did not.
Anti-EU parties got 12% of a 56% turnout, that is about 7% of the voters that felt strongly enough about the EU to go and vote for an anti-EU party

twindales

pre 7 godina

@JHarson, I agree this is such a non story as you say, Ireland Austria and Sweden are already neutral - big deal. Move along and worry about something else please

icj1

pre 7 godina

When the EU and its American masters pays 100 billion in reparations
(Stan, 23 June 2016 11:59)

Reparations for what, dear?!
----------

Germany's premature recognition of Croatia and Bosnia was the spark that lit the fuse. An acknowledgement of this tragic mistake would be a start.
(Stan, 23 June 2016 11:59)

Well, Germany recognized Croatia and Bosnia once they were independent states, per decision of their citizens. Germany did not recognize them before they became independent states. So, I'm not really sure what you mean by "premature", especially since Croatia and Bosnia are not complaining about it!

Smart Serb

pre 7 godina

Majority of Serbs would vote against E.U as polls suggest.
Politicians should leave the decision to the people and not western influence and pressure.
Kosovo or E.U?
Why give land away in exchange for a collapsing corrupt union.

Contractor

pre 7 godina

this is such nonsense. Austria, Sweden, and Ireland are neutral.
(j harston, 23 June 2016 12:42)

Yes, these countries are not NATO members, but they observe all the economic and financial sanctions against Russia and their policy are in line with Brussels' all the time.

Emilija

pre 7 godina

In other words, your advise for Serbia is to use, abuse, lie and cheat. Very intresting character trates you you show here and even suggest that these low character qualifications be applied to Serbia's EU negotiations. You disqualify yourself.
(observer)
Isn’t this what EU, US, politicians are good at – why should Serbia be any different… join the club if you want to succeed…

skepticism

pre 7 godina

@William UK

We would be happy to see UK leaving EU. Lets not call this day though "independence day". Let's call it "the day when UK became an isolated island"

Feel free to leave EU, next time you visit Europe check your passport in the "non-EU" queue.

William UK

pre 7 godina

Keep dreaming skeptic, we Brits will always have priority with our passports. We will have the best of both worlds, our independence and all the benefits the EU has to offer. New treaties will be negotiated and that's that. I hope other EU members follow suit and there are signs that just may happen, whatever the result of this referendum.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 7 godina

Serbia will never Ever be a Member of EU !.

EU the Eagle !.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Esdras+11&version=CEB

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Esdras+12&version=CEB

Arn.Sweden.

Diana

pre 7 godina

Get real observer, do you believe the Eu , NATO, USA are democratic, fair and honest? If so you need certifying! Serbia needs to act for its own interests, it's for serbia to decide , but I think joining the fourth Reich goes against everything you bravely stood against.

Stan

pre 7 godina

When the EU and its American masters pays 100 billion in reparations and force the haters to allow Serbs to return to their homes, we can talk.
Roth seems like a reasonable guy and I understand his position, but he doesn't seem to understand what has been done to Serbia by the chaos fanatics and regime changers and elites is deeply felt. Germany's premature recognition of Croatia and Bosnia was the spark that lit the fuse. An acknowledgement of this tragic mistake would be a start.

observer

pre 7 godina

Just drag your feet, try to get some of these funds to actually help Serbia while northern Europe is still funding the EU. Deepening relations with China and Russia is a must.
(Ari Gold, 23 June 2016 10:48)

In other words, your advise for Serbia is to use, abuse, lie and cheat. Very intresting character trates you you show here and even suggest that these low character qualifications be applied to Serbia's EU negotiations. You disqualify yourself.

William UK

pre 7 godina

This is a good reason for Britain to leave the EU. Today is the day, Britain's independence day. Lets leave this undemocratic union and send a message to other members to do the same. Put membership to the test.

As for those pre-accession funds, most of it goes back into the EU and the pockets of corrupt politicians.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Largest donor, yes. But what is the money going towards? Helping rebuild Serbia's infrastructure that was destroyed during NATO aggression? No. It goes to funding NGO's whose sole purpose is to legitimize that very aggression.

Serbia does not need EU membership. However I can understand why Serbia can't publicly say this. Just drag your feet, try to get some of these funds to actually help Serbia while northern Europe is still funding the EU. Deepening relations with China and Russia is a must.

EA

pre 7 godina

very objective comments. I understand Serbia's desire to have it with "two spoons"....flirting with Russia and EU. Formal recognition of Kosovo independence is also a condition. When Serbia is ready to make up its mind then talks can go on.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Largest donor, yes. But what is the money going towards? Helping rebuild Serbia's infrastructure that was destroyed during NATO aggression? No. It goes to funding NGO's whose sole purpose is to legitimize that very aggression.

Serbia does not need EU membership. However I can understand why Serbia can't publicly say this. Just drag your feet, try to get some of these funds to actually help Serbia while northern Europe is still funding the EU. Deepening relations with China and Russia is a must.

William UK

pre 7 godina

This is a good reason for Britain to leave the EU. Today is the day, Britain's independence day. Lets leave this undemocratic union and send a message to other members to do the same. Put membership to the test.

As for those pre-accession funds, most of it goes back into the EU and the pockets of corrupt politicians.

observer

pre 7 godina

Just drag your feet, try to get some of these funds to actually help Serbia while northern Europe is still funding the EU. Deepening relations with China and Russia is a must.
(Ari Gold, 23 June 2016 10:48)

In other words, your advise for Serbia is to use, abuse, lie and cheat. Very intresting character trates you you show here and even suggest that these low character qualifications be applied to Serbia's EU negotiations. You disqualify yourself.

Stan

pre 7 godina

When the EU and its American masters pays 100 billion in reparations and force the haters to allow Serbs to return to their homes, we can talk.
Roth seems like a reasonable guy and I understand his position, but he doesn't seem to understand what has been done to Serbia by the chaos fanatics and regime changers and elites is deeply felt. Germany's premature recognition of Croatia and Bosnia was the spark that lit the fuse. An acknowledgement of this tragic mistake would be a start.

Diana

pre 7 godina

Get real observer, do you believe the Eu , NATO, USA are democratic, fair and honest? If so you need certifying! Serbia needs to act for its own interests, it's for serbia to decide , but I think joining the fourth Reich goes against everything you bravely stood against.

Smart Serb

pre 7 godina

Majority of Serbs would vote against E.U as polls suggest.
Politicians should leave the decision to the people and not western influence and pressure.
Kosovo or E.U?
Why give land away in exchange for a collapsing corrupt union.

William UK

pre 7 godina

Keep dreaming skeptic, we Brits will always have priority with our passports. We will have the best of both worlds, our independence and all the benefits the EU has to offer. New treaties will be negotiated and that's that. I hope other EU members follow suit and there are signs that just may happen, whatever the result of this referendum.

William UK

pre 7 godina

It is not just about Sweden, Finland and Austria, as we can see, the EU does make exceptions when they have lost the battle with NATO membership. Serbia will just be another on this list.

The same can be said with Spain, Cyprus, Greece, Slovakia and Romania, that is recognition of Kosovo never reached consensus also. Exceptions are made and again, Serbia will just be another member on this list. I don't see why Serbia needs to recognise Kosovo if other members have not. It is even mentioned in this article that recognition is not a condition.

factman

pre 7 godina

The EU is not a monolithic bloc. A number of countries in the EU are neutral.

Here is another example of how the EU is not a monolithic bloc. A few months ago, Hungary was told to heel by Germany and let the migrants through. Hungary refused.

Finally, all of this is a moot point because by the time Serbia even gets into the EU, Russia and the EU will be buddy-buddy (just like they are now behind closed doors)

Emilija

pre 7 godina

In other words, your advise for Serbia is to use, abuse, lie and cheat. Very intresting character trates you you show here and even suggest that these low character qualifications be applied to Serbia's EU negotiations. You disqualify yourself.
(observer)
Isn’t this what EU, US, politicians are good at – why should Serbia be any different… join the club if you want to succeed…

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 7 godina

"Cannot be neutral" is a predictably vague term by the EU to mean "neutral on Russia". Yet here's the problem: even Germany doesn't want to be "in accordance with the foreign policy positions of the Union" since German public opinion is widely in favor of lifting the sanctions and resuming pre-Crimea economic relations.

So if there is no clear unity on EU foreign policy among its existing members, why should there be any expectation Serbia will be any different?

Another rhetorically empty statement from a German official representing a country that bucks the rules at every possible turn because of its large size and perceived importance to the organization. But considering official policies of the EU on most of the issues pertaining to Serbia and the Balkans are inherently vague and status neutral, to call for compliance is essentially an innocuous threat to obey a set of rules no one at the top really follows.

stev-o

pre 7 godina

Technically speaking Germany recognized Croatia and Slovenia as independent states before they were actually independent states: otherwise, if they were already independent (which is a matter of international consensus, and not simply some theoretic construct) Germany wouldn't have had to offer recognition.
As such recognizing a not-yet recognized state, by being among the first to do so, the notion of premature does have a foothold in the argument.
One might also argue that individual states' recognition in general is a matter of premature recognition, and should be avoided until a state is properly and fully recognized by the United Nations: after all, isn't that part of the roll of the UN, and not that of individual nations.

rote

pre 7 godina

If Serbia votes to remain outside the EU, it does not get Kosovo back :)

(icj1, 23 June 2016 15:43)

А ЗАЧЕМ ТЕБЕ ЖУЖЖАТЬ, ЕСЛИ ТЫ НЕ ПЧЕЛА? In other words why are you so worried about it? Since when do you take care of the Serbs?

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

If Serbia votes to remain outside the EU, it does not get Kosovo back :)
(icj1, 23 June 2016 15:43)

And yet, whether Serbia votes to remain outside the EU or not, "kosovo" does not become a country. An occupation, protectorate and other euphemisms for a miserable backwater that the KLA have turned Kosovo-Metohija into does not equal a country. :)

skepticism

pre 7 godina

@William UK

We would be happy to see UK leaving EU. Lets not call this day though "independence day". Let's call it "the day when UK became an isolated island"

Feel free to leave EU, next time you visit Europe check your passport in the "non-EU" queue.

Stan

pre 7 godina

Icj- the recognition was pushed through by kohl and Genscher. Britain was reticent, along with others, as civil war was likely given the provocations of the Serb minority by Hdz and the historical contexts. This was overcome at Maastricht, when Major was given several opt outs in return for their recognition. And no, many Croatians are not happy, and still unable to return to their homes.

KCOJ

pre 7 godina

BBC is claiming the UK has voted to LEAVE the European Union.

It appears as though the EU is falling apart.

Perhaps SERBIA should HALT any further efforts to jump through EU hopes and simply stay out of the EU.

EA

pre 7 godina

very objective comments. I understand Serbia's desire to have it with "two spoons"....flirting with Russia and EU. Formal recognition of Kosovo independence is also a condition. When Serbia is ready to make up its mind then talks can go on.

icj1

pre 7 godina

Kosovo or E.U?
Why give land away in exchange for a collapsing corrupt union.
(Smart Serb, 23 June 2016 14:34)

Well, Kosovo or E.U. is not an option that is on the ballot since Serbia can't give away something that does not have. But, I've got to admit you are a good salesperson for trying to get something in return for something that you don'the have lol

The options are:

1. Remain outside the EU without Kosovo

2. Join the EU without Kosovo

If Serbia votes to remain outside the EU, it does not get Kosovo back :)

sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia

pre 7 godina

We,Serb's will cross that path ,when it is in the Chapters,and decide what decision Serbia will make.Too much talk by minister's opion ,and not what's in black or white paper in Chapters.Thank you ,minister from Germany for your 1€ worth opion.
Now ,next minister's opion !.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 7 godina

Serbia will never Ever be a Member of EU !.

EU the Eagle !.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Esdras+11&version=CEB

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Esdras+12&version=CEB

Arn.Sweden.

Contractor

pre 7 godina

this is such nonsense. Austria, Sweden, and Ireland are neutral.
(j harston, 23 June 2016 12:42)

Yes, these countries are not NATO members, but they observe all the economic and financial sanctions against Russia and their policy are in line with Brussels' all the time.

icj1

pre 7 godina

When the EU and its American masters pays 100 billion in reparations
(Stan, 23 June 2016 11:59)

Reparations for what, dear?!
----------

Germany's premature recognition of Croatia and Bosnia was the spark that lit the fuse. An acknowledgement of this tragic mistake would be a start.
(Stan, 23 June 2016 11:59)

Well, Germany recognized Croatia and Bosnia once they were independent states, per decision of their citizens. Germany did not recognize them before they became independent states. So, I'm not really sure what you mean by "premature", especially since Croatia and Bosnia are not complaining about it!

Ataman

pre 7 godina

"Serbia cannot be neutral and join EU - German official"
Yes, indeed, Austria, Sweden and Finland cannot be neutral and join EU.

@B92: guys, where you got these geniuses? Is it that bad that you can't get any other topic?

Let's fight instead regarding UEFA. More fun.

Ataman

pre 7 godina

Why fight about another topic you also know nothing about.
(EU Citizen, 23 June 2016 16:35)

1) Because it's fun.
2) Because actually, regardless how stupid I am... I am still an EU Citizen, you are not. Except your donkeys, who can roam to Greece and breed across the border.
3) You still can breed and over-breed your EU-Citizen neighbors.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 7 godina

"Asked about "the claims that the EU, including including Germany, and the United States, want to destabilize Serbia and bring down (PM Aleksandar) Vucic," he called them "absurd," and added: "I am convinced that people in Serbia will not believe this. "

I am convinced that people in Serbia believe it, like they believe in any other conspiracy theory. I'm sure the percentage of citizens who believe in the "lunar landing hoax" theory must be the highest in the whole world :)

EU Citizen

pre 7 godina

Why give land away in exchange for a collapsing corrupt union.
(Smart Serb, 23 June 2016 14:34)


S.S,
Why should the EU give money to a sinking ship like Serbia. Let their "friends" donate to a desperate Serbia.

Je¿ albañski i g³upi

pre 7 godina

Why fight about another topic you also know nothing about.
(EU Citizen, 23 June 2016 16:35)

Even better answer. Because our pants

http://tinyurl.com/zdmgtcl

are still better than your eagle.

http://tinyurl.com/zc47zbt

That's why.

Moderate EU Citizen Serbs in Vojvodina

pre 7 godina

EU Citizen = Vojvodina = Moderate Serb.
Why not wish him a happy birthday?

Being one year older and wiser never hurts.

http://tinyurl.com/htcy74t

Take a deep breath, get exercise and your donkey up in the mountains.

Dwight

pre 7 godina

Majority of Serbs would vote against E.U as polls suggest. Politicians should leave the decision to the people and not western influence and pressure.
(Smart Serb, 23 June 2016 14:34)

Serbs had a chance to vote against the EU a few months ago. They did not.
Anti-EU parties got 12% of a 56% turnout, that is about 7% of the voters that felt strongly enough about the EU to go and vote for an anti-EU party

EU Citizen

pre 7 godina

All these years it has been very gratifying watching Serbia self destruct, the reason being her Enemies know what she does not.

Drymades

pre 7 godina

Ataman, Rama has been the acting trustee of Pacolli's assets for at least 10 years now. In Albania and recently in Kosovo as well. That's the reason why Tirana's bipolar complexed peasant and failed painter is being so proactive in Prishtina recently. At the end of the day, it's all about the flag you know ;)

icj1

pre 7 godina

Germany's premature recognition of Croatia and Bosnia was the spark that lit the fuse. An acknowledgement of this tragic mistake would be a start.
(Stan, 23 June 2016 11:59)

Well, Germany recognized Croatia and Bosnia once they were independent states, per decision of their citizens. Germany did not recognize them before they became independent states. So, I'm not really sure what you mean by "premature", especially since Croatia and Bosnia are not complaining about it!
(icj1, 23 June 2016 15:35)

the recognition was pushed through by kohl and Genscher.
(Stan, 23 June 2016 17:14)

Ok... but still you did not clarify why it was "premature" and whom it was "premature" for?! Obviously it was not "premature" for the countries concerned, namely Croatia, Bosnia and Germany...

Marko

pre 7 godina

If Serbia joins the EU....then they are clearly a country that has lost its way. Totally lost its way. It will not end good for them.

Ataman

pre 7 godina

The West and prosperity or Russia and pride. That's the only choice we've ever had. I hope we get smart this time.
(Vojvodina, 24 June 2016 09:08)

You had neither, Comrade Donkey Hoxha.
You had either Comrade Mao or Comrade Hitler. And you chose both.

http://www.kosovo.net/skenderbeyss.html

Faleminderit.

twindales

pre 7 godina

@JHarson, I agree this is such a non story as you say, Ireland Austria and Sweden are already neutral - big deal. Move along and worry about something else please

Ataman

pre 7 godina

What about Sweden, Finland, Austria?
(Мића, 23 June 2016 15:54)

1) Sweden and Finland are not neutral, their hockey team fights these vodka-drinking MIG-29-flying bears with some limited success, at least once in a while.

2) Austrians are not neutral either, even while losing to Hungary and Iceland they seem to perform better this year (within UEFA) than Russians and Ukrainians combined.

3) If the issue is not about ice hockey or UEFA, I ran out of ideas (regarding Sweden, Finland, Austria being useful against Russia to any degree).

4) Looking at NATO being useful or not, I think ice hockey or UEFA has a more compelling Reason d'etre.

5) I see our beloved Team of Eggheads™ progressing real strong. At this stage beating Ukraine or even Russia is possible, at least within UEFA. Ice hockey is still lightyears away. But if Edi Rama teams up with the money of Beghjet Pacolli... who knows.

EU Citizen

pre 7 godina

"Serbia cannot be neutral and join EU - German official"
Yes, indeed, Austria, Sweden and Finland cannot be neutral and join EU.

@B92: guys, where you got these geniuses? Is it that bad that you can't get any other topic?

Let's fight instead regarding UEFA. More fun.
(Ataman, 23 June 2016 15:35)


Why fight about another topic you also know nothing about.

icj1

pre 7 godina

By the way, you albos are going to find it tough to get to the UK now.
(Den, 25 June 2016 06:33)

Yup, the albos are going to find it as hard as the Serbs to get to the UK.

In addition, both albos and Serbs need a visa to go to the UK already, so whether the UK is in or out of the EU changes nothing.

Den

pre 7 godina

Hey Vojvodina....
I've seen your last few comments. They are absolutely ridiculous. Why are you trolling in the name of a province? Some siptar/govno thinks they are clever.
What's prospering in the EU? What has Russia and Pride have to do with anything economic?
Forget Vojvodina, its not going anywhere, with that demographic.
Do worry about Kosovo, your masters are more worried about themselves every day, rather than some backwards people useful for nefarious means. How long? By the way, you albos are going to find it tough to get to the UK now.
Piece by piece....
Your politicians arent throwing teargas for nothing.

EA

pre 7 godina

very objective comments. I understand Serbia's desire to have it with "two spoons"....flirting with Russia and EU. Formal recognition of Kosovo independence is also a condition. When Serbia is ready to make up its mind then talks can go on.

observer

pre 7 godina

Just drag your feet, try to get some of these funds to actually help Serbia while northern Europe is still funding the EU. Deepening relations with China and Russia is a must.
(Ari Gold, 23 June 2016 10:48)

In other words, your advise for Serbia is to use, abuse, lie and cheat. Very intresting character trates you you show here and even suggest that these low character qualifications be applied to Serbia's EU negotiations. You disqualify yourself.

William UK

pre 7 godina

This is a good reason for Britain to leave the EU. Today is the day, Britain's independence day. Lets leave this undemocratic union and send a message to other members to do the same. Put membership to the test.

As for those pre-accession funds, most of it goes back into the EU and the pockets of corrupt politicians.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Largest donor, yes. But what is the money going towards? Helping rebuild Serbia's infrastructure that was destroyed during NATO aggression? No. It goes to funding NGO's whose sole purpose is to legitimize that very aggression.

Serbia does not need EU membership. However I can understand why Serbia can't publicly say this. Just drag your feet, try to get some of these funds to actually help Serbia while northern Europe is still funding the EU. Deepening relations with China and Russia is a must.

icj1

pre 7 godina

Kosovo or E.U?
Why give land away in exchange for a collapsing corrupt union.
(Smart Serb, 23 June 2016 14:34)

Well, Kosovo or E.U. is not an option that is on the ballot since Serbia can't give away something that does not have. But, I've got to admit you are a good salesperson for trying to get something in return for something that you don'the have lol

The options are:

1. Remain outside the EU without Kosovo

2. Join the EU without Kosovo

If Serbia votes to remain outside the EU, it does not get Kosovo back :)

Stan

pre 7 godina

When the EU and its American masters pays 100 billion in reparations and force the haters to allow Serbs to return to their homes, we can talk.
Roth seems like a reasonable guy and I understand his position, but he doesn't seem to understand what has been done to Serbia by the chaos fanatics and regime changers and elites is deeply felt. Germany's premature recognition of Croatia and Bosnia was the spark that lit the fuse. An acknowledgement of this tragic mistake would be a start.

icj1

pre 7 godina

Germany's premature recognition of Croatia and Bosnia was the spark that lit the fuse. An acknowledgement of this tragic mistake would be a start.
(Stan, 23 June 2016 11:59)

Well, Germany recognized Croatia and Bosnia once they were independent states, per decision of their citizens. Germany did not recognize them before they became independent states. So, I'm not really sure what you mean by "premature", especially since Croatia and Bosnia are not complaining about it!
(icj1, 23 June 2016 15:35)

the recognition was pushed through by kohl and Genscher.
(Stan, 23 June 2016 17:14)

Ok... but still you did not clarify why it was "premature" and whom it was "premature" for?! Obviously it was not "premature" for the countries concerned, namely Croatia, Bosnia and Germany...

Arn.Sweden.

pre 7 godina

Serbia will never Ever be a Member of EU !.

EU the Eagle !.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Esdras+11&version=CEB

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Esdras+12&version=CEB

Arn.Sweden.

Diana

pre 7 godina

Get real observer, do you believe the Eu , NATO, USA are democratic, fair and honest? If so you need certifying! Serbia needs to act for its own interests, it's for serbia to decide , but I think joining the fourth Reich goes against everything you bravely stood against.

icj1

pre 7 godina

When the EU and its American masters pays 100 billion in reparations
(Stan, 23 June 2016 11:59)

Reparations for what, dear?!
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Germany's premature recognition of Croatia and Bosnia was the spark that lit the fuse. An acknowledgement of this tragic mistake would be a start.
(Stan, 23 June 2016 11:59)

Well, Germany recognized Croatia and Bosnia once they were independent states, per decision of their citizens. Germany did not recognize them before they became independent states. So, I'm not really sure what you mean by "premature", especially since Croatia and Bosnia are not complaining about it!

Comm. Parrisson

pre 7 godina

"Asked about "the claims that the EU, including including Germany, and the United States, want to destabilize Serbia and bring down (PM Aleksandar) Vucic," he called them "absurd," and added: "I am convinced that people in Serbia will not believe this. "

I am convinced that people in Serbia believe it, like they believe in any other conspiracy theory. I'm sure the percentage of citizens who believe in the "lunar landing hoax" theory must be the highest in the whole world :)

EU Citizen

pre 7 godina

All these years it has been very gratifying watching Serbia self destruct, the reason being her Enemies know what she does not.

EU Citizen

pre 7 godina

Why give land away in exchange for a collapsing corrupt union.
(Smart Serb, 23 June 2016 14:34)


S.S,
Why should the EU give money to a sinking ship like Serbia. Let their "friends" donate to a desperate Serbia.

skepticism

pre 7 godina

@William UK

We would be happy to see UK leaving EU. Lets not call this day though "independence day". Let's call it "the day when UK became an isolated island"

Feel free to leave EU, next time you visit Europe check your passport in the "non-EU" queue.

William UK

pre 7 godina

Keep dreaming skeptic, we Brits will always have priority with our passports. We will have the best of both worlds, our independence and all the benefits the EU has to offer. New treaties will be negotiated and that's that. I hope other EU members follow suit and there are signs that just may happen, whatever the result of this referendum.

Smart Serb

pre 7 godina

Majority of Serbs would vote against E.U as polls suggest.
Politicians should leave the decision to the people and not western influence and pressure.
Kosovo or E.U?
Why give land away in exchange for a collapsing corrupt union.

Emilija

pre 7 godina

In other words, your advise for Serbia is to use, abuse, lie and cheat. Very intresting character trates you you show here and even suggest that these low character qualifications be applied to Serbia's EU negotiations. You disqualify yourself.
(observer)
Isn’t this what EU, US, politicians are good at – why should Serbia be any different… join the club if you want to succeed…

sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia

pre 7 godina

We,Serb's will cross that path ,when it is in the Chapters,and decide what decision Serbia will make.Too much talk by minister's opion ,and not what's in black or white paper in Chapters.Thank you ,minister from Germany for your 1€ worth opion.
Now ,next minister's opion !.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

If Serbia votes to remain outside the EU, it does not get Kosovo back :)
(icj1, 23 June 2016 15:43)

And yet, whether Serbia votes to remain outside the EU or not, "kosovo" does not become a country. An occupation, protectorate and other euphemisms for a miserable backwater that the KLA have turned Kosovo-Metohija into does not equal a country. :)

Moderate EU Citizen Serbs in Vojvodina

pre 7 godina

EU Citizen = Vojvodina = Moderate Serb.
Why not wish him a happy birthday?

Being one year older and wiser never hurts.

http://tinyurl.com/htcy74t

Take a deep breath, get exercise and your donkey up in the mountains.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 7 godina

"Cannot be neutral" is a predictably vague term by the EU to mean "neutral on Russia". Yet here's the problem: even Germany doesn't want to be "in accordance with the foreign policy positions of the Union" since German public opinion is widely in favor of lifting the sanctions and resuming pre-Crimea economic relations.

So if there is no clear unity on EU foreign policy among its existing members, why should there be any expectation Serbia will be any different?

Another rhetorically empty statement from a German official representing a country that bucks the rules at every possible turn because of its large size and perceived importance to the organization. But considering official policies of the EU on most of the issues pertaining to Serbia and the Balkans are inherently vague and status neutral, to call for compliance is essentially an innocuous threat to obey a set of rules no one at the top really follows.

Ataman

pre 7 godina

What about Sweden, Finland, Austria?
(Мића, 23 June 2016 15:54)

1) Sweden and Finland are not neutral, their hockey team fights these vodka-drinking MIG-29-flying bears with some limited success, at least once in a while.

2) Austrians are not neutral either, even while losing to Hungary and Iceland they seem to perform better this year (within UEFA) than Russians and Ukrainians combined.

3) If the issue is not about ice hockey or UEFA, I ran out of ideas (regarding Sweden, Finland, Austria being useful against Russia to any degree).

4) Looking at NATO being useful or not, I think ice hockey or UEFA has a more compelling Reason d'etre.

5) I see our beloved Team of Eggheads™ progressing real strong. At this stage beating Ukraine or even Russia is possible, at least within UEFA. Ice hockey is still lightyears away. But if Edi Rama teams up with the money of Beghjet Pacolli... who knows.

rote

pre 7 godina

If Serbia votes to remain outside the EU, it does not get Kosovo back :)

(icj1, 23 June 2016 15:43)

А ЗАЧЕМ ТЕБЕ ЖУЖЖАТЬ, ЕСЛИ ТЫ НЕ ПЧЕЛА? In other words why are you so worried about it? Since when do you take care of the Serbs?

twindales

pre 7 godina

@JHarson, I agree this is such a non story as you say, Ireland Austria and Sweden are already neutral - big deal. Move along and worry about something else please

William UK

pre 7 godina

It is not just about Sweden, Finland and Austria, as we can see, the EU does make exceptions when they have lost the battle with NATO membership. Serbia will just be another on this list.

The same can be said with Spain, Cyprus, Greece, Slovakia and Romania, that is recognition of Kosovo never reached consensus also. Exceptions are made and again, Serbia will just be another member on this list. I don't see why Serbia needs to recognise Kosovo if other members have not. It is even mentioned in this article that recognition is not a condition.

EU Citizen

pre 7 godina

"Serbia cannot be neutral and join EU - German official"
Yes, indeed, Austria, Sweden and Finland cannot be neutral and join EU.

@B92: guys, where you got these geniuses? Is it that bad that you can't get any other topic?

Let's fight instead regarding UEFA. More fun.
(Ataman, 23 June 2016 15:35)


Why fight about another topic you also know nothing about.

Drymades

pre 7 godina

Ataman, Rama has been the acting trustee of Pacolli's assets for at least 10 years now. In Albania and recently in Kosovo as well. That's the reason why Tirana's bipolar complexed peasant and failed painter is being so proactive in Prishtina recently. At the end of the day, it's all about the flag you know ;)

Ataman

pre 7 godina

Why fight about another topic you also know nothing about.
(EU Citizen, 23 June 2016 16:35)

1) Because it's fun.
2) Because actually, regardless how stupid I am... I am still an EU Citizen, you are not. Except your donkeys, who can roam to Greece and breed across the border.
3) You still can breed and over-breed your EU-Citizen neighbors.

stev-o

pre 7 godina

Technically speaking Germany recognized Croatia and Slovenia as independent states before they were actually independent states: otherwise, if they were already independent (which is a matter of international consensus, and not simply some theoretic construct) Germany wouldn't have had to offer recognition.
As such recognizing a not-yet recognized state, by being among the first to do so, the notion of premature does have a foothold in the argument.
One might also argue that individual states' recognition in general is a matter of premature recognition, and should be avoided until a state is properly and fully recognized by the United Nations: after all, isn't that part of the roll of the UN, and not that of individual nations.

Stan

pre 7 godina

Icj- the recognition was pushed through by kohl and Genscher. Britain was reticent, along with others, as civil war was likely given the provocations of the Serb minority by Hdz and the historical contexts. This was overcome at Maastricht, when Major was given several opt outs in return for their recognition. And no, many Croatians are not happy, and still unable to return to their homes.

Je¿ albañski i g³upi

pre 7 godina

Why fight about another topic you also know nothing about.
(EU Citizen, 23 June 2016 16:35)

Even better answer. Because our pants

http://tinyurl.com/zdmgtcl

are still better than your eagle.

http://tinyurl.com/zc47zbt

That's why.

factman

pre 7 godina

The EU is not a monolithic bloc. A number of countries in the EU are neutral.

Here is another example of how the EU is not a monolithic bloc. A few months ago, Hungary was told to heel by Germany and let the migrants through. Hungary refused.

Finally, all of this is a moot point because by the time Serbia even gets into the EU, Russia and the EU will be buddy-buddy (just like they are now behind closed doors)

KCOJ

pre 7 godina

BBC is claiming the UK has voted to LEAVE the European Union.

It appears as though the EU is falling apart.

Perhaps SERBIA should HALT any further efforts to jump through EU hopes and simply stay out of the EU.

Ataman

pre 7 godina

The West and prosperity or Russia and pride. That's the only choice we've ever had. I hope we get smart this time.
(Vojvodina, 24 June 2016 09:08)

You had neither, Comrade Donkey Hoxha.
You had either Comrade Mao or Comrade Hitler. And you chose both.

http://www.kosovo.net/skenderbeyss.html

Faleminderit.

Contractor

pre 7 godina

this is such nonsense. Austria, Sweden, and Ireland are neutral.
(j harston, 23 June 2016 12:42)

Yes, these countries are not NATO members, but they observe all the economic and financial sanctions against Russia and their policy are in line with Brussels' all the time.

Dwight

pre 7 godina

Majority of Serbs would vote against E.U as polls suggest. Politicians should leave the decision to the people and not western influence and pressure.
(Smart Serb, 23 June 2016 14:34)

Serbs had a chance to vote against the EU a few months ago. They did not.
Anti-EU parties got 12% of a 56% turnout, that is about 7% of the voters that felt strongly enough about the EU to go and vote for an anti-EU party

Ataman

pre 7 godina

"Serbia cannot be neutral and join EU - German official"
Yes, indeed, Austria, Sweden and Finland cannot be neutral and join EU.

@B92: guys, where you got these geniuses? Is it that bad that you can't get any other topic?

Let's fight instead regarding UEFA. More fun.

Marko

pre 7 godina

If Serbia joins the EU....then they are clearly a country that has lost its way. Totally lost its way. It will not end good for them.

Den

pre 7 godina

Hey Vojvodina....
I've seen your last few comments. They are absolutely ridiculous. Why are you trolling in the name of a province? Some siptar/govno thinks they are clever.
What's prospering in the EU? What has Russia and Pride have to do with anything economic?
Forget Vojvodina, its not going anywhere, with that demographic.
Do worry about Kosovo, your masters are more worried about themselves every day, rather than some backwards people useful for nefarious means. How long? By the way, you albos are going to find it tough to get to the UK now.
Piece by piece....
Your politicians arent throwing teargas for nothing.

icj1

pre 7 godina

By the way, you albos are going to find it tough to get to the UK now.
(Den, 25 June 2016 06:33)

Yup, the albos are going to find it as hard as the Serbs to get to the UK.

In addition, both albos and Serbs need a visa to go to the UK already, so whether the UK is in or out of the EU changes nothing.