Spanish FM: My country will never recognize Kosovo

Not a surprise considering Catalan wants its own independence from Spain. This has always been the reason for Spain not recognizing Kosovo. They fear it will set a precedent and allow Catalan to break off from Spain.

What happens if Serbia decides to recognize Kosovo?
Will Spain be alone and continue not to recognize Kosovo?
"Never say never"-lesson number 1 in politics.

But if you want to compare, better don't mention about Catalans! They want a referendum, they use democratic means, and are not using violence and terrorism as a means to reach their goal.
(Comm. Parrisson, 25 May 2016 16:58)

True that. They also havent been raped and killed and been living in an apartheid regime like Kosovars had to live under Serbian faschist regime.

You are right. Cant compare Catalans and Kosovars unless Spain raids catalon territory, leaving only death and destruction behind. Maybe if Spain starts to stock pile dead bodies of catalans, then we might consider a comparison.

thx for bringing that up Comm. You always hit the nail on the head.

No surprise here. Genocidal nations supporting each others. The nation of Franco that bombed the Basques is supporting the nation of Milosevic.

Interesting to see none of the words cited to the Spanish official were related specifically to Kosova. A lot of fillers in this article but not a direct quote that "Spain will not recognize Kosovo"

"Not a surprise considering Catalan wants its own independence from Spain. This has always been the reason for Spain not recognizing Kosovo. They fear it will set a precedent and allow Catalan to break off from Spain."
(LK, 25 May 2016 16:22)

Exactly. It would not be very smart to recognize a country like Kosovo where an ethnic minority unilaterally declared independence when you have an ethnic minority with similar wishes in your own country. But if you want to compare, better don't mention about Catalans! They want a referendum, they use democratic means, and are not using violence and terrorism as a means to reach their goal.

Better talk about they Basques - with their terrorist organization called ETA they are much more comparable to Albanians in Kosovo with their KLA. Unlike YU, Spain was smart enough to fight these terrorist with appropriate means of a democratic state (i.e. with police and courts) - and not like Milosevic (and now Erdogan in Turkey with the Kurds) by sending army and raiding and bombing whole villages and killing whole families.

Never is such a long time! So what? 63 UN nations do not recognize. Such a tiny number. Considering Catalonia, the backbone of Madrid and Spanish economy and Basque Country want to breakaway from Madrid it would be absurd for the Spanish FM to say "Yes, we support Kosovo". That is essentially the reason. The vast majority of the Spanish people couldn't care less about Serbia or Kosovo.

As for Catalonia and Basque, it is likely Madrid will lose Barcelona just as Belgrade lost Prishtina! The Catalan and Basque parliaments recognize Kosovo, which is a nice gesture.

If not Spain soon Catalunia Bask country comunidad Valenciana Palma mallorca Galicia when are inipendet going to recognize Kosova

Just my two cents: the smart thing to do is not to tie your own internal politics with those of Serbia. Don't make it seem like you believe there are any parallels between Serbia and Spain. Otherwise, whatever happens in Serbia (and between Serbia and Kosovo) will come back and haunt you. For this reason, we saw Spain on the losing side when the genius of Vuk "over my dead body" Jeremic went to the ICJ.

What happens if Serbia decides to recognize Kosovo?
(Teodor Muzaka 1389, 25 May 2016 15:54)

Serbia isn't under any pressure to if Spain doesn't. Counterfactual problem solved.

Your country sooner or later will end up like former Yugoslavia.

Nevertheless, ETA and KLA are the same kind: Separtists who wanted to reach their ideas by means of violence and terrorism against the state. I know that they both call themselves 'freedom fighters', but it doesn't change the facts. Long before the Kosovo war started, KLA killed some dozen of police officers, attacked police stations and other state buildings and similar things - just like ETA did in the 70th and 80ths of the last century.
(Comm. Parrisson, 26 May 2016 10:20)

Yes but you forget one fact. Serb repression in Kosovo started 1988. You installed an apartheid system where all Kosovars were forced out of official positions to replace them with serbs (doctors, teachers, police, municipality worker). Mass arrests and police beatings became a normal thing. Kosovars used all democratic tools to fight for their rights but Serb response was to increase the pressure and discrimination. The Referendum in 91 and all elected officials were ignored. Only after all democratic methodes failed, KLA was born. War as last resort.

While ETA fought for the sake of independence, we fought for survival. Independence was the inevitable outcome after our shared history with Serbia.

Sure you can compare tactics and methods but those methods are not reserved for separatist, its an military approach of fighting a stronger force. Comparing KLA and ETA is like comparing Apples and Pears and concluding that they are the same because both are fruits.

Thats weak Comm.

Spain voted for Kosovo in IOC and will soon be competing against Kosovo in Olympics and in football and did not block Kosovo starting eu talks. Spain is working every day for Kosovo independence and its nonsense worlds don't hold any merit. Just like Serbia. There is no opposition to Kosovo independence anymore. A kosovo politician got a visa to speak In Spain recently in an official capacity.

@Comm. Parrisson

Yes, adn long before the KLA was formed, Serbia was already engaging in murder of Albanians, expulsion of Albanian students from school buildings and imprisonment. I don't know that Spain did that to the Basques post Franco. Who knows, maybe if the heavnely group were a bit more smart and didn't view anything Albanian as a threat, there'd be no need for any of this nonsense in the first place eh?

"They also havent been raped and killed and been living in an apartheid regime like Kosovars had to live under Serbian faschist regime."

Thx for bringing that up Comm. You always hit the nail on the head."
(Gjon Marku, 25 May 2016 20:23)

Yes, as I wrote, Spain was smart enough to fight the separatist terrorists ETA with democratic means, with police and not with army, unlike Milosevic, i.e. send ETA separatists responsible for terrorists acts to prison for their deeds.

Nevertheless, ETA and KLA are the same kind: Separtists who wanted to reach their ideas by means of violence and terrorism against the state. I know that they both call themselves 'freedom fighters', but it doesn't change the facts. Long before the Kosovo war started, KLA killed some dozen of police officers, attacked police stations and other state buildings and similar things - just like ETA did in the 70th and 80ths of the last century.

In truth, none of the commentators on this site are certain about the independence of KiM either. Else they wouldn't be arguing never-ending hours, days, years trying to convince themselves or other B92 readers otherwise.

In truth, none of the commentators on this site are certain about the independence of KiM either. Else they wouldn't be arguing never-ending hours, days, years trying to convince themselves or other B92 readers otherwise.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 26 May 2016 05:40)

Assuming that there is not some weird metaphor that you're using, can you explain the logic of what you wrote because usually somebody will try to convince others on something only if he/she is convinced him/herself in the first place :)

For example, when the most patriotic of Serbs commenting on this cite try to convince others that Kosovo is Serbia, I normally assume that they are certain about that.

El Caudillo Del Sur, El Amor a la Tierra Madre, Tierra y Libertad, Prefiero Morir Parado que Morir de Radillas!!!

Actually we dont need we dont care
Kosova needs to clear its political $/7
And serbia needs to invest and concentrate in its economy
What actually matters for spain is war and violence soon its gona knock on their door

There is no such thing as "kosovars", they are Albanians. Secondly, there were attempts to block educational facilities,boycotting schools and deliberately destroy electric spots to squander more money from the state and create rebellion. It's only after that their province representatives were replaced while it remained an autonomous province like in pre 1974. Founders of KLA had all criminal records like drug smuggling and they were collected to create a rebellion. They were virtually political nobodies before that. They were trained abroad for that purpose and some clan leaders were intimidated to support them. As for Spain, of course they have no specific interest in that. They just know the precedent it would set in their region.

In truth, none of the commentators on this site are certain about the independence of KiM either. Else they wouldn't be arguing never-ending hours, days, years trying to convince themselves or other B92 readers otherwise.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 26 May 2016 05:40)

Assuming that there is not some weird metaphor that you're using, can you explain the logic of what you wrote because usually somebody will try to convince others on something only if he/she is convinced him/herself in the first place :)

For example, when the most patriotic of Serbs commenting on this cite try to convince others that Kosovo is Serbia, I normally assume that they are certain about that.
(icj1, 26 May 2016 16:33)

Dude, if you can't recognize metonyms such Langley as a symbol for the CIA, please ignore my comments or seek help for your difficulties in comprehension and logic.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 27 May 2016 04:08)

I never claimed fetishising about CIA like you, so I totally agree that you are much more knowledgeable about CIA and Langley. Feel free to use or not use them as metonyms or whatever :)

So, now back to your original comment here. Are you saying that your comment did not have any logic and therefore it should be ignored?

The movement toward Kosovo independence was an orchestrated and planned effort across many decades.
(factman, 27 May 2016 03:26)

So was the movement towards Serbia's independence! So I'm not sure what your point is...

(icj1, 26 May 2016 16:33) Assuming that there is not some weird metaphor that you're using, can you explain the logic of what you wrote...

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Dude, if you can't recognize metonyms such Langley as a symbol for the CIA, please ignore my comments or seek help for your difficulties in comprehension and logic.

Rather selective memory by Gjon.

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Yes but you forget one fact. Serb repression in Kosovo started 1988. You installed an apartheid system

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The movement toward Kosovo independence was an orchestrated and planned effort across many decades.

Additionally, it was the Kosovo Albanians who pulled back from public life in protest of the loss of autonomy. No one forced them.

Here are news stories from the 80's before Milosevic was even in power. They explain a lot:
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/benworks/1980news.html

No surprise here. Genocidal nations supporting each others. The nation of Franco that bombed the Basques is supporting the nation of Milosevic.

What happens if Serbia decides to recognize Kosovo?
Will Spain be alone and continue not to recognize Kosovo?
"Never say never"-lesson number 1 in politics.

Just my two cents: the smart thing to do is not to tie your own internal politics with those of Serbia. Don't make it seem like you believe there are any parallels between Serbia and Spain. Otherwise, whatever happens in Serbia (and between Serbia and Kosovo) will come back and haunt you. For this reason, we saw Spain on the losing side when the genius of Vuk "over my dead body" Jeremic went to the ICJ.

"Not a surprise considering Catalan wants its own independence from Spain. This has always been the reason for Spain not recognizing Kosovo. They fear it will set a precedent and allow Catalan to break off from Spain."
(LK, 25 May 2016 16:22)

Exactly. It would not be very smart to recognize a country like Kosovo where an ethnic minority unilaterally declared independence when you have an ethnic minority with similar wishes in your own country. But if you want to compare, better don't mention about Catalans! They want a referendum, they use democratic means, and are not using violence and terrorism as a means to reach their goal.

Better talk about they Basques - with their terrorist organization called ETA they are much more comparable to Albanians in Kosovo with their KLA. Unlike YU, Spain was smart enough to fight these terrorist with appropriate means of a democratic state (i.e. with police and courts) - and not like Milosevic (and now Erdogan in Turkey with the Kurds) by sending army and raiding and bombing whole villages and killing whole families.

But if you want to compare, better don't mention about Catalans! They want a referendum, they use democratic means, and are not using violence and terrorism as a means to reach their goal.
(Comm. Parrisson, 25 May 2016 16:58)

True that. They also havent been raped and killed and been living in an apartheid regime like Kosovars had to live under Serbian faschist regime.

You are right. Cant compare Catalans and Kosovars unless Spain raids catalon territory, leaving only death and destruction behind. Maybe if Spain starts to stock pile dead bodies of catalans, then we might consider a comparison.

thx for bringing that up Comm. You always hit the nail on the head.

What happens if Serbia decides to recognize Kosovo?
(Teodor Muzaka 1389, 25 May 2016 15:54)

Serbia isn't under any pressure to if Spain doesn't. Counterfactual problem solved.

If not Spain soon Catalunia Bask country comunidad Valenciana Palma mallorca Galicia when are inipendet going to recognize Kosova

Not a surprise considering Catalan wants its own independence from Spain. This has always been the reason for Spain not recognizing Kosovo. They fear it will set a precedent and allow Catalan to break off from Spain.

Interesting to see none of the words cited to the Spanish official were related specifically to Kosova. A lot of fillers in this article but not a direct quote that "Spain will not recognize Kosovo"

Spain voted for Kosovo in IOC and will soon be competing against Kosovo in Olympics and in football and did not block Kosovo starting eu talks. Spain is working every day for Kosovo independence and its nonsense worlds don't hold any merit. Just like Serbia. There is no opposition to Kosovo independence anymore. A kosovo politician got a visa to speak In Spain recently in an official capacity.

Never is such a long time! So what? 63 UN nations do not recognize. Such a tiny number. Considering Catalonia, the backbone of Madrid and Spanish economy and Basque Country want to breakaway from Madrid it would be absurd for the Spanish FM to say "Yes, we support Kosovo". That is essentially the reason. The vast majority of the Spanish people couldn't care less about Serbia or Kosovo.

As for Catalonia and Basque, it is likely Madrid will lose Barcelona just as Belgrade lost Prishtina! The Catalan and Basque parliaments recognize Kosovo, which is a nice gesture.

"They also havent been raped and killed and been living in an apartheid regime like Kosovars had to live under Serbian faschist regime."

Thx for bringing that up Comm. You always hit the nail on the head."
(Gjon Marku, 25 May 2016 20:23)

Yes, as I wrote, Spain was smart enough to fight the separatist terrorists ETA with democratic means, with police and not with army, unlike Milosevic, i.e. send ETA separatists responsible for terrorists acts to prison for their deeds.

Nevertheless, ETA and KLA are the same kind: Separtists who wanted to reach their ideas by means of violence and terrorism against the state. I know that they both call themselves 'freedom fighters', but it doesn't change the facts. Long before the Kosovo war started, KLA killed some dozen of police officers, attacked police stations and other state buildings and similar things - just like ETA did in the 70th and 80ths of the last century.

El Caudillo Del Sur, El Amor a la Tierra Madre, Tierra y Libertad, Prefiero Morir Parado que Morir de Radillas!!!

@Comm. Parrisson

Yes, adn long before the KLA was formed, Serbia was already engaging in murder of Albanians, expulsion of Albanian students from school buildings and imprisonment. I don't know that Spain did that to the Basques post Franco. Who knows, maybe if the heavnely group were a bit more smart and didn't view anything Albanian as a threat, there'd be no need for any of this nonsense in the first place eh?

Your country sooner or later will end up like former Yugoslavia.

In truth, none of the commentators on this site are certain about the independence of KiM either. Else they wouldn't be arguing never-ending hours, days, years trying to convince themselves or other B92 readers otherwise.

Nevertheless, ETA and KLA are the same kind: Separtists who wanted to reach their ideas by means of violence and terrorism against the state. I know that they both call themselves 'freedom fighters', but it doesn't change the facts. Long before the Kosovo war started, KLA killed some dozen of police officers, attacked police stations and other state buildings and similar things - just like ETA did in the 70th and 80ths of the last century.
(Comm. Parrisson, 26 May 2016 10:20)

Yes but you forget one fact. Serb repression in Kosovo started 1988. You installed an apartheid system where all Kosovars were forced out of official positions to replace them with serbs (doctors, teachers, police, municipality worker). Mass arrests and police beatings became a normal thing. Kosovars used all democratic tools to fight for their rights but Serb response was to increase the pressure and discrimination. The Referendum in 91 and all elected officials were ignored. Only after all democratic methodes failed, KLA was born. War as last resort.

While ETA fought for the sake of independence, we fought for survival. Independence was the inevitable outcome after our shared history with Serbia.

Sure you can compare tactics and methods but those methods are not reserved for separatist, its an military approach of fighting a stronger force. Comparing KLA and ETA is like comparing Apples and Pears and concluding that they are the same because both are fruits.

Thats weak Comm.

Actually we dont need we dont care
Kosova needs to clear its political $/7
And serbia needs to invest and concentrate in its economy
What actually matters for spain is war and violence soon its gona knock on their door

Rather selective memory by Gjon.

###

Yes but you forget one fact. Serb repression in Kosovo started 1988. You installed an apartheid system

##

The movement toward Kosovo independence was an orchestrated and planned effort across many decades.

Additionally, it was the Kosovo Albanians who pulled back from public life in protest of the loss of autonomy. No one forced them.

Here are news stories from the 80's before Milosevic was even in power. They explain a lot:
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/benworks/1980news.html

(icj1, 26 May 2016 16:33) Assuming that there is not some weird metaphor that you're using, can you explain the logic of what you wrote...

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Dude, if you can't recognize metonyms such Langley as a symbol for the CIA, please ignore my comments or seek help for your difficulties in comprehension and logic.

In truth, none of the commentators on this site are certain about the independence of KiM either. Else they wouldn't be arguing never-ending hours, days, years trying to convince themselves or other B92 readers otherwise.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 26 May 2016 05:40)

Assuming that there is not some weird metaphor that you're using, can you explain the logic of what you wrote because usually somebody will try to convince others on something only if he/she is convinced him/herself in the first place :)

For example, when the most patriotic of Serbs commenting on this cite try to convince others that Kosovo is Serbia, I normally assume that they are certain about that.

There is no such thing as "kosovars", they are Albanians. Secondly, there were attempts to block educational facilities,boycotting schools and deliberately destroy electric spots to squander more money from the state and create rebellion. It's only after that their province representatives were replaced while it remained an autonomous province like in pre 1974. Founders of KLA had all criminal records like drug smuggling and they were collected to create a rebellion. They were virtually political nobodies before that. They were trained abroad for that purpose and some clan leaders were intimidated to support them. As for Spain, of course they have no specific interest in that. They just know the precedent it would set in their region.

The movement toward Kosovo independence was an orchestrated and planned effort across many decades.
(factman, 27 May 2016 03:26)

So was the movement towards Serbia's independence! So I'm not sure what your point is...

In truth, none of the commentators on this site are certain about the independence of KiM either. Else they wouldn't be arguing never-ending hours, days, years trying to convince themselves or other B92 readers otherwise.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 26 May 2016 05:40)

Assuming that there is not some weird metaphor that you're using, can you explain the logic of what you wrote because usually somebody will try to convince others on something only if he/she is convinced him/herself in the first place :)

For example, when the most patriotic of Serbs commenting on this cite try to convince others that Kosovo is Serbia, I normally assume that they are certain about that.
(icj1, 26 May 2016 16:33)

Dude, if you can't recognize metonyms such Langley as a symbol for the CIA, please ignore my comments or seek help for your difficulties in comprehension and logic.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 27 May 2016 04:08)

I never claimed fetishising about CIA like you, so I totally agree that you are much more knowledgeable about CIA and Langley. Feel free to use or not use them as metonyms or whatever :)

So, now back to your original comment here. Are you saying that your comment did not have any logic and therefore it should be ignored?