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Wednesday, 25.05.2016.

09:56

Anti-Serb hate message in front of Zagreb kindergarten

A shocking sticker depicting people hanged on a tree, with an inscription reading, "Serbian family tree," has been photographed in Croatia's capital Zagreb.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

My full quote can be found below. This is evidence that icj intentionally deleted relevant portions of the quote out of context to alter the meaning.
"You stated that the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before a shot was fired. And because of this, the Serbs had no moral high ground to stand on relative to their neighbors. You also implied that the Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors. Had this been where the story ends, your statements would have been fine. However, you intentionally left out the fact that 2 days after the Pact was signed, the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. and chose to fight the Nazis. As a result, Belgrade was bombed to pieces.”
(njegos, 9 June 2016 22:47)

Thx for providing the evidence, again, that you implied that the Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors.
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My bet is that icj got beat up a lot as a youngster.
(njegos, 9 June 2016 22:47)

Well, just because that might have been your experience as a youngster, it does not necessarily mean that all contributors in these forums have had the same experience. We can discuss your life as a youngster if you wish, but not sure it will do anything to increase or decrease the validity of your arguments!

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icj1

pre 7 godina

As I said before, be glad you have a computer to hide behind.
(njegos, 9 June 2016 22:47)

I don’t feel any special about it since everybody in these forums, you included, have the same privilege!
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Now that you’ve been completely discredited, get lost punk. If you wish to address me in the future, please go back and answer the questions that I asked of you before returning. On second thought, just get lost. LMAOAY!!!!
(njegos, 9 June 2016 22:47)

Well, yeah, you succeeded in discrediting yourself as being a Serb hater. However, if you have any questions you still need help with, I’m be more than happy to assist.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj (the snake): “Thx for confirming what I said mate that you were the one who wrote “Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors" (2nd and 3rd line of your own quote) lol “
My full quote can be found below. This is evidence that icj intentionally deleted relevant portions of the quote out of context to alter the meaning.
"You stated that the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before a shot was fired. And because of this, the Serbs had no moral high ground to stand on relative to their neighbors. You also implied that the Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors. Had this been where the story ends, your statements would have been fine. However, you intentionally left out the fact that 2 days after the Pact was signed, the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. and chose to fight the Nazis. As a result, Belgrade was bombed to pieces.”
I’ve debated with some low-lifes on this board in the past, but this is the first time that anyone has stooped to this level. Take your beating like a man or woman, whatever you are, but don’t alter your opponent’s sentences to suit your narrative. My bet is that icj got beat up a lot as a youngster. As I said before, be glad you have a computer to hide behind.
Now that you’ve been completely discredited, get lost punk. If you wish to address me in the future, please go back and answer the questions that I asked of you before returning. On second thought, just get lost. LMAOAY!!!!

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Thx for confirming what I said mate that you were the one who wrote “Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors" (2nd and 3rd line of your own quote) lol
(icj1, 6 June 2016 21:17)

Thanks for confirming that you cut & pasted
(njegos, 6 June 2016 23:20)

You are welcome! If you need any more confirmations that I just quoted you, let me know....
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Be glad you are able to hide behind a keyboard.
(njegos, 6 June 2016 23:20)

Not glad at all since it's nothing special. Me, you and everybody else here is hiding behind a keyboard, no?

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj (the snake): "Thx for confirming what I said mate that you were the one who wrote “Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors" (2nd and 3rd line of your own quote) lol"

Thanks for confirming that you cut & pasted only a piece of my comments to intentionally try to change the meaning. And thanks for confirming that you intentionally printed the comment out of context to intentionally mislead the readers. And thanks for demonstrating once again that you are a fraud and a clown. Be glad you are able to hide behind a keyboard.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Here is what I said in full and proper context:

"You stated that the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before a shot was fired. And because of this, the Serbs had no moral high ground to stand on relative to their neighbors. You also implied that the Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors. Had this been where the story ends, your statements would have been fine. However, you intentionally left out the fact that 2 days after the Pact was signed, the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. and chose to fight the Nazis. As a result, Belgrade was bombed to pieces. How many bombs fell on Zagreb, Sarajevo or Tirana? None, because there was no resistance in those places to speak of. Why did Hitler put forth the edict that for every German killed, 100 Serbs would be killed and for every German wounded, 50 Serbs would die?"

Nice try icj. Unfortunately for you I can cut & paste too. There have been a lot snakes on this board in the past, but I must say you have taken it to a new low. Congratulations!
(njegos, 6 June 2016 15:49)

Thx for confirming what I said mate that you were the one who wrote “Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors" (2nd and 3rd line of your own quote) lol

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icj1

pre 7 godina

More misrepresentations from the deceitful and lying icj:

icj attributes this statement (out of context again, of course) to me:

June 4 “signing the Pact one would be led to believe that the Serbs were Nazi collaborators.”
(njegos, 6 June 2016 16:01)

Sorry, but whom else attribute it?! You were the one who wrote that. For myself, I wrote, that Yugoslavia was not considered part of the Axis and that just because somebody collaborated with the Nazis, does not make Serbs Nazi supporters. So, I was very clear that I did not consider either Yugoslavia or the Serbs Nazi collaborators.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

When I asked icj why Zagreb, Sarajevo or Tirana weren't bombed by the Nazis, here was his/her reply: "Mate, Belgrade was the capital of Yugoslavia, whereas Zagreb and Sarajevo were not. If you wanted Belgrade bombed less, you should have made Zagreb or Sarajevo the capital of Yugoslavia..."

How utterly ridiculous. Please explain why these cities, none of which were capitals were bombed by the Nazis: Leningrad, Stalingrad, Odessa, Kiev, Minsk, Murmansk, Rotterdam, Antwerp, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Manchester, Glasgow, Liverpool & Belfast.

Your argument falls apart yet again icj. Please stop parading yourself as some sort of WWII historian when you can't even be honest about the basics. The reason Zagreb, Sarajevo & Tirana weren't bombed by the Nazis was, as most people know, there were large populations supporting the Nazis in these cities.

Again, you have been exposed for the fraud that you are. This is too easy!

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njegos

pre 7 godina

More misrepresentations from the deceitful and lying icj:

icj attributes this statement (out of context again, of course) to me:

June 4 “signing the Pact one would be led to believe that the Serbs were Nazi collaborators.”

Here is the full comment in it's complete and proper context:

"If the story ended with the Yugslav gov't. signing the Pact one would be led to believe that the Serbs were Nazi supporters as icj implies. Tell us icj, why did you stop your history lesson with the signing of the Pact? Why didn't you state that the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. 2 days later and chose to fight the Nazis? Oh that's right, the complete story doesn't fit your anti-Serb narrative."

Yet another example of the snake of the forum, icj, cutting and pasting in an attempt to change the meaning to intentionally mislead the reader. Keep up the good work icj. You have been exposed for the fraud that you are. HAHAHA! What will you come up with next? I can only guess. LMAO!!

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njegos

pre 7 godina

Well, the deceitful, misleading and lying icj is at it again. This time icj, attributes the following comments to me after cutting & pasting pieces of them out of context to change the meaning of the narratives to intentionally mislead the reader.

3 June 2016 01:50
“Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors."

Here is what I said in full and proper context:

"You stated that the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before a shot was fired. And because of this, the Serbs had no moral high ground to stand on relative to their neighbors. You also implied that the Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors. Had this been where the story ends, your statements would have been fine. However, you intentionally left out the fact that 2 days after the Pact was signed, the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. and chose to fight the Nazis. As a result, Belgrade was bombed to pieces. How many bombs fell on Zagreb, Sarajevo or Tirana? None, because there was no resistance in those places to speak of. Why did Hitler put forth the edict that for every German killed, 100 Serbs would be killed and for every German wounded, 50 Serbs would die?"

Nice try icj. Unfortunately for you I can cut & paste too. There have been a lot snakes on this board in the past, but I must say you have taken it to a new low. Congratulations!

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icj1

pre 7 godina

I'm not sure why, for some perverse reason, you are trying, more than once now, to imply that Serbs were Nazi supporters!!!
(icj1, 5 June 2016 01:10)

False yet again. Now we can add 'liar' to the list of adjectives used to describe icj.
(njegos, 5 June 2016 14:30)

Well, a certain “njegos” wrote the following:

3 June 2016 01:50
“Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors”

4 June 2016 16:26
“signing the Pact one would be led to believe that the Serbs were Nazi supporters”

I’m assuming you are the same “njegos” as the one who wrote the above
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Funny how you say Serbs had a lower moral ground to stand on because the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before being occupied.
(njegos, 5 June 2016 14:30)

No, I did not say “Serbs had a lower moral ground”. You are saying that…
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Why do you paint the Serbs with such a broad brush based on the signature of one man when the overwhelmingly majority decided to defy the Nazis and stage a resistance?
(njegos, 5 June 2016 14:30)

No, I did not paint the Serbs with such a broad brush – you are doing that, and more than once now. Indeed, I said that things were put in proper context after WW2 and only Bulgaria, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Italy and Romania were considered as Axis powers in Europe. Also, I explicitly distinguished that acts of a few who collaborated with the Nazis from the Serb, Albanian, Croat or other people who were not part of the Axis.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

FROM ICJ: "... for some perverse reason, you are trying, more than once now, to imply that Serbs were Nazi supporters!!!"

False yet again. Now we can add 'liar' to the list of adjectives used to describe icj.

Funny how you say Serbs had a lower moral ground to stand on because the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before being occupied. It seems to me that the gov't. was made up of more than just Serbs and although the person that signed the Pact was a Serb, he was only one person and obviously differed with the Serb masses as he was ousted 2 days later by Serbs! Why do you paint the Serbs with such a broad brush based on the signature of one man when the overwhelmingly majority decided to defy the Nazis and stage a resistance? Just another example of icj playing his/her anti-Serb games. You are pitiful.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

If anything, Yugoslavia has lower moral ground (if you want to play the comparative game), because it signed the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired. Excellent example of cowardice! Other "governments" signed it under Nazi occupation (except for Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania).
(icj1, 2 June 2016 18:57)

Perfect example of icj only telling part of the story. If the story ended with the Yugslav gov't. signing the Pact one would be led to believe that the Serbs were Nazi supporters as icj implies.
(njegos, 4 June 2016 16:26)

I did not imply that, you are implying that. I'm not sure why, for some perverse reason, you are trying, more than once now, to imply that Serbs were Nazi supporters!!!

Instead, I wrote the following, and I quote:

"Serbia, was not considered part of the Axis during WW2"

"I'm the first to say that Serbs suffered during WW2"

"Just because Nedic collaborated with the Nazis, that does not make Serbs Nazi supporters"

As for how the story ended, I mentioned it already. As you suggested, things were put in proper context after WW2 and only Bulgaria, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Italy and Romania were considered as Axis powers in Europe. The rest, Albania included, were considered victors and even got reparations of war.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj: "... If anything, Yugoslavia has lower moral ground (if you want to play the comparative game), because it signed the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired. Excellent example of cowardice!"

Perfect example of icj only telling part of the story. If the story ended with the Yugslav gov't. signing the Pact one would be led to believe that the Serbs were Nazi supporters as icj implies. Tell us icj, why did you stop your history lesson with the signing of the Pact? Why didn't you state that the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. 2 days later and chose to fight the Nazis? Oh that's right, the complete story doesn't fit your anti-Serb narrative.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

icj - Any writer worth their salt knows that if the entire story isn't told, the meaning can be drastically altered. This tactic is employed when the writer wishes to mislead or the author simply doesn't know the full story. In your case, I believe the former applies.
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

If the argument in support of that is because you believe it, it can safely be ignored given that few things that you believe, if any, turn out to be correct :)
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You stated that the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before a shot was fired.And because of this, the Serbs had no moral high ground to stand on relative to their neighbors.
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

I did not want to play comparative games, but since you were insisting...
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You also implied that the Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors.
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

No, you are implying that. Instead I'm putting things in context (as you suggested earlier). Just because Nedic collaborated with the Nazis, that does not make Serbs Nazi supporters. Also, just because the Albanian or the Pavelitch puppet governments collaborated with the Fascists/Nazis, does not make the Albanians or Croats Nazi collaborators (and I even provided you the proof for that). Context applies to everybody, not just to the Serbs.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

However, you intentionally left out the fact that 2 days after the Pact was signed, the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. and chose to fight the Nazis.
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

Well, the signing, even for 1 second, is worse than not signing at all. The fact remains that Yugoslavia, in a cowardly fashion, signed the tripartite part without a shot being fired and while not under Nazi occupation. Other non-Axis countries did not do that. Only Yugoslavia did that. Is there anything factually incorrect in what I wrote?

By the way, the Yugoslav armed forces that fought the Nazis were not Serbs only. It’s this logic of Yugoslavia = Serbia that ultimately doomed Yugoslavia.
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As a result, Belgrade was bombed to pieces. How many bombs fell on Zagreb, Sarajevo or Tirana?
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

Mate, Belgrade was the capital of Yugoslavia, whereas Zagreb and Sarajevo were not. If you wanted Belgrade bombed less, you should have made Zagreb or Sarajevo the capital of Yugoslavia. But, anyway, tell me the count of bombs in Belgrade and I'll tell you the count of bombs in the other places :)
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None
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

Evidence?

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Why did Hitler put forth the edict that for every German killed, 100 Serbs would be killed and for every German wounded, 50 Serbs would die?
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

Because Hitler and his top commanders were war criminals who committed war crimes in all countries that Germany occupied. Otherwise, few people, if any, would have been convicted at the Nuremberg.
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Your hatred for the Serbs has rendered your comments irresponsible and revisionist.
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

Where did I say that I hate Serbs?! What did I revise?! To the contrary, I wrote that I’m the first to say that Serbs suffered during WW2. But, the suffering of Serbs during WW2 does not mean that everybody else was a Nazi collaborator. Does saying that make me a Serb hater?!
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Try as you may to smear the Serbs, there will always be someone out there to correct your half-truths.
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

Well, you did not find anything that I wrote that was incorrect, so there is nothing to correct, in the first place :)
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You, my friend are a boob and not worth another minute of my time.
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

It does not matter how much time you spend writing nonsense; facts are stubborn. So, that’s a wise decision of yours for finally coming to that realisation that it's not worth your time trying to fight facts lol

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njegos

pre 7 godina

icj - Any writer worth their salt knows that if the entire story isn't told, the meaning can be drastically altered. This tactic is employed when the writer wishes to mislead or the author simply doesn't know the full story. In your case, I believe the former applies.

You stated that the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before a shot was fired. And because of this, the Serbs had no moral high ground to stand on relative to their neighbors. You also implied that the Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors. Had this been where the story ends, your statements would have been fine. However, you intentionally left out the fact that 2 days after the Pact was signed, the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. and chose to fight the Nazis. As a result, Belgrade was bombed to pieces. How many bombs fell on Zagreb, Sarajevo or Tirana? None, because there was no resistance in those places to speak of. Why did Hitler put forth the edict that for every German killed, 100 Serbs would be killed and for every German wounded, 50 Serbs would die?

Your hatred for the Serbs has rendered your comments irresponsible and revisionist. Try as you may to smear the Serbs, there will always be someone out there to correct your half-truths. You, my friend are a boob and not worth another minute of my time.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

From icj: "Mate, I just pointed out that there were concentration camps in Serbia, like in Croatia. If you want to equate or not equate, that is your business.

Let's see icj, you mention above that there were concentration camps in Serbia, like in Croatia, but you're not comparing right? Fact is, they were nothing like the concentration camps in Croatia as you CLEARLY state above. If you'd like I can cut and paste German officer accounts of what went on at Jasenovac and the other Ustasha concentration camps. Just let me know. I'm always willing to help bring people like you up to speed with facts and proper context on subjects in which they are deficient. A mind is a terrible thing to waste, you know.
(njegos, 1 June 2016 14:43)

Please do the copying and pasting, but not sure what you are trying to achieve. I'm the first to say that Serbs suffered during WW2, like did many other European nations. You are just going to provide evidence for things that I'm saying lol

But if you have evidence that concentration camps were good if they were in Serbia, but bad if they were in Crotia, please feel free to bring those facts to light!

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Nedic was implemented by the Nazis after they had bombed Belgrade because the Serbs defied Hitler and chose to resist the Nazis against insurmountable odds.
(njegos, 30 May 2016 16:01)

That’s why Yugoslavia’s government (its Serb prime minister) signed the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired?! Yugoslavia’s government (together with Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania) were the only sovereign (i.e. non puppet) governments in Europe which signed the Tripartite Pact (with Germany, Italy and Japan) while their countries were not occupied by the Axis powers. So, Yugoslavia has no moral high ground, at all. In comparison, sure NDH signed the Tripartite Pact, too. But the NDH was not a sovereign state and Croatia was occupied by the Nazis at the time.
(icj1, 31 May 2016 19:19)

Wrong!

Your shameful historical revisionism is absurd.
(njegos, 1 June 2016 13:52)

"Wrong" because you don't like it?! The fact that NDH was not a sovereign state was established beyond reasonable doubt by the Nuremeberg Trials in "The United States of America v. Wilhelm List, et al.". You screaming "wrong" cannot change that fact since you are a nobody compared to the Nuremberg Tribunals. The Tribunal also established that in setting up the Croatian government, the Germans, established an administration with Ante Pavelitch
at its head, even though his group represented only an estimated 5% of the population of the country.

That is facts, not like the "myths" in your head!

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icj1

pre 7 godina

From our friend icj: "That’s why Yugoslavia’s government (its Serb prime minister) signed the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired?! Yugoslavia’s government (together with Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania) were the only sovereign (i.e. non puppet) governments in Europe which signed the Tripartite Pact (with Germany, Italy and Japan) while their countries were not occupied by the Axis powers. So, Yugoslavia has no moral high ground, at all. In comparison, sure NDH signed the Tripartite Pact, too. But the NDH was not a sovereign state and Croatia was occupied by the Nazis at the time.

Wrong yet again icj!
(njegos, 1 June 2016 14:15)

What's wrong?!!! Didn't Yugoslavia sign the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired?
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What happened 2 days after the Serb prime minister signed the Tripartite Pact?
(njegos, 1 June 2016 14:15)

It was overthrown by a coup, and the new government continued to adhere to the signature, just asking for additional terms before ratification.

My point is that Yugoslavia has no higher moral ground than Albania or others that were not part of the Axis. If anything, Yugoslavia has lower moral ground (if you want to play the comparative game), because it signed the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired. Excellent example of cowardice! Other "governments" signed it under Nazi occupation (except for Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania).

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From our friend icj: "That’s why Yugoslavia’s government (its Serb prime minister) signed the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired?! Yugoslavia’s government (together with Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania) were the only sovereign (i.e. non puppet) governments in Europe which signed the Tripartite Pact (with Germany, Italy and Japan) while their countries were not occupied by the Axis powers. So, Yugoslavia has no moral high ground, at all. In comparison, sure NDH signed the Tripartite Pact, too. But the NDH was not a sovereign state and Croatia was occupied by the Nazis at the time.

Wrong yet again icj! What happened 2 days after the Serb prime minister signed the Tripartite Pact? Since you seem to have memory loss, I'll be glad to tell you. The Serbian people staged a coup and overthrew the gov't. and chose to fight the Nazis even though they were surrounded by those who had already signed the pact. Winston Churchill commented that the Serbian people had found their soul. Conversely, all of Yugoslavia's neighbors, except Greece, willfully supported the Axis. So yes, the Serb people do have moral high ground to stand on in comparison to their neighbors including the Croats, Albanians and Muslims of Yugoslavia who embraced the Nazis. How do you live with yourself?

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj: "Mate, I just pointed out that there were concentration camps in Serbia, like in Croatia. If you want to equate or not equate, that is your business.

Let's see icj, you mention above that there were concentration camps in Serbia, like in Croatia, but you're not comparing right? Fact is, they were nothing like the concentration camps in Croatia as you CLEARLY state above. If you'd like I can cut and paste German officer accounts of what went on at Jasenovac and the other Ustasha concentration camps. Just let me know. I'm always willing to help bring people like you up to speed with facts and proper context on subjects in which they are deficient. A mind is a terrible thing to waste, you know.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj: "But the NDH was not a sovereign state and Croatia was occupied by the Nazis at the time."

Wrong! The Croatians welcomed Hitler into Zagreb with a parade. There was no occupation. There was no resistance. The only resistance to the Nazis in Croatia came from the Serb Chetniks of the Krajina. Much later Tito's Partizans were formed consisting of Serbs and Croats who didn't provide any meaningful resistance until the US & Britain began supporting them. Your shameful historical revisionism is absurd.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

From Gjon: "Nedic is not fiction. It happened."

Yes it did happen, but put it in its proper context instead of irresponsibly trying to equate it with Albanian, Ustasha, Muslim, etc. collaboration.
(njegos, 30 May 2016 16:01)

Exactly. That’s why things were put in proper context after WW2 and only Bulgaria, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Italy and Romania were considered as Axis powers in Europe. The rest, Albania included, were considered victors and even got reparations of war.
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Nedic was implemented by the Nazis after they had bombed Belgrade because the Serbs defied Hitler and chose to resist the Nazis against insurmountable odds.
(njegos, 30 May 2016 16:01)

That’s why Yugoslavia’s government (its Serb prime minister) signed the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired?! Yugoslavia’s government (together with Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania) were the only sovereign (i.e. non puppet) governments in Europe which signed the Tripartite Pact (with Germany, Italy and Japan) while their countries were not occupied by the Axis powers. So, Yugoslavia has no moral high ground, at all. In comparison, sure NDH signed the Tripartite Pact, too. But the NDH was not a sovereign state and Croatia was occupied by the Nazis at the time.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

What kind of resistance did Croatia put up when Hitler marched into Zagreb?
(njegos, 30 May 2016 16:01)

The Yugoslav armed forces tried to protect Zagreb, like they tried to protect Belgrade and the rest of the country. When the Yugoslav government surrendered to the Nazis, the Yugoslav armed forces stopped fighting in Croatia, like they stopped fighting in Serbia and in the rest of Yugoslavia. Not sure why you wanted the Yugoslav armed forces to continue fighting in Croatia only!

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Well Croatia did have concentration camps for Serbian kids (the only country in the world that did that), so this is not a surprise.
(Julia, 26 May 2016 22:11)

Well, it appears that Croatia was not alone. Serbia too did have concentration camps such as the Banjica concentration camp.

So, are you trying to say that a concentration camp was bad if Croatia had it, but it was good if Serbia had it?!
(icj1, 28 May 2016 21:26)

Your feeble attempt to equate Serb crimes with that of the Ustasha falls far short of the mark.
(njegos, 30 May 2016 15:46)

Mate, I just pointed out that there were concentration camps in Serbia, like in Croatia. If you want to equate or not equate, that is your business. However, I did not say that Serbs committed crimes. There were some Serbs (similarly to some Croats) that helped Hitler run concentration camps. But that does not make the Serb (or the Croat people) Nazi collaborators. Not sure why you want to relate the crimes of a few with the Serb people!!!

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From Gjon: "Nedic is not fiction. It happened."

Yes it did happen, but put it in its proper context instead of irresponsibly trying to equate it with Albanian, Ustasha, Muslim, etc. collaboration.

Nedic was implemented by the Nazis after they had bombed Belgrade because the Serbs defied Hitler and chose to resist the Nazis against insurmountable odds. What kind of resistance did the Albanians put up when fascist Italy controlled them? What kind of resistance did Croatia put up when Hitler marched into Zagreb? What resistance did the Muslims of Bosnia put up when the Ustasha seized control of large parts of B-H? You know the answer Gjon, NONE! All of the above mentioned embraced the Nazis.

Hey Gjon, how many of your relatives were part of Balli Kombetar? Please be honest. Tell the b92 audience of their honorable exploits. You're a joke.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

Hey icj, read Julia's comments again, and this time pay attention. She said Croatia was the only country that had concentration camps for children, which is correct. Your feeble attempt to equate Serb crimes with that of the Ustasha falls far short of the mark.

Croatia welcomed the Nazis into Zagreb with a parade. They embraced Hitler. Conversely, the Serbs resisted the Nazis and for that Belgrade was bombed unmercifully. After Hitler occupied Serbia the Nedic gov't. was implemented, while the official Serbian gov't. in exile continued to resist the Nazis, read Chetniks. Your shameful attempt to equate the two either demonstrates your lack of knowledge of the era or your stupidity, which is it?

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Well Croatia did have concentration camps for Serbian kids (the only country in the world that did that), so this is not a surprise.
(Julia, 26 May 2016 22:11)

Well, it appears that Croatia was not alone. Serbia too did have concentration camps such as the Banjica concentration camp.

So, are you trying to say that a concentration camp was bad if Croatia had it, but it was good if Serbia had it?!

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icj1

pre 7 godina

But when it comes to who resisted Hitler in the greatest number, Serbs by far. Who suffered from Nazi aggression the most? Serbs by far [link] Who served Hitler the strongest? Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians.
(Ari Gold, 26 May 2016 16:17)

Sure, there were some Albanians who, similarly to some Serbs served Hitler.

But Albania, similarly to Serbia, was not considered part of the Axis during WW2.

So, I'm not really sure what you're trying to say!

Are you trying to say that collaborators of Hitler were good if they were Serbian, but bad if they were Albanian?! :)

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Gjon Marku

pre 7 godina

No Serbs did not accept occupation, Serbs organized not one but two anti-fascist resistance groups. I know why it's in your interest to relativize WWII to put Serbs on equal footing with the collaborators but nothing doing.
(Ari Gold, 26 May 2016 16:17)

I hate to destroy your believes but fact is all Balkan countries surrenderd to Nazi Germany and collaborated. There were Partisan Groups all over the balkans, no nation excluded and many individuals have been honored as "Righteous among nations" by the state of Israel (Croatians, Bosniaks, Serbs, Albanians). Here is the official page of Yad Vasheem http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/righteous/index.asp?WT.mc_id=wiki

Even though all balkan countries have been recognised as occupied territories in order to blame it all on Germany, no balkan country acted in a honorable way during that time and you cannot point your fingers to another country while 200k died in concentrations camps in Serbia. Nedic is not fiction. It happened. Maybe you should learn your own history before talking about others.

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Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

I dont know if you should call out on someone for being a Nazi vassal. Specially since Serbia under Milan Nedic accepted Nazi occupation officially and pledged loyalty to the Wehrmacht to then proudly proclaim Beograd as the first "Jew Free" Capital in Europe.

What an achievment! You must be proud.
(Gjon Marku, 26 May 2016 00:11)

No Serbs did not accept occupation, Serbs organized not one but two anti-fascist resistance groups. I know why it's in your interest to relativize WWII to put Serbs on equal footing with the collaborators but nothing doing. Even Israel's Prime Minister once said Serbia is the only country in the region that has nothing to be ashamed of when it comes to WWII.

Now were there individual collaborators? Of course, Serbia has been dealing with internal traitors since forever. There were also Jews that served in the Nazis too, Armenians that served for the Ottomans etc etc.

But when it comes to who resisted Hitler in the greatest number, Serbs by far. Who suffered from Nazi aggression the most? Serbs by far https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_persecution_of_Serbs Who served Hitler the strongest? Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians.

So yes very proud of Serbia's resistance just like you're ashamed of your nations' role so you try to equalize all of our roles, but the facts don't agree.

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sj

pre 7 godina

Not even slightly interesting comments from Serbs it is amazing how naturally totally they are ignorant. Only 19% of "Serbs" have Slavic genes R1a. Also high percentage of Turkish, Thracian, Albanian etc Hodgepodge of Haplo groups "Serbs" are. The highest percentage "Serbs" have is Croatian genes Haplo group H1 at 23% the original Europeans. Croatians have over 80% H1 [link] and our decedents the Scandinavian country's next highest H1. Who spent the last Ice Age in Croatia and Bosnia and moved north after the Ice Sheets retreated.
(Lenard, 26 May 2016 10:26)

So with all this superiority over Serbs you have not managed to form your own language but speak Serbian nor did you have your own special writing but had to use the Serbian Cyrillic alphabet. Love Croats they are so full of BS.
Looking forward to reading about Atlantis the lost Croat empire LOL.

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Lenard

pre 7 godina

Not even slightly interesting comments from Serbs it is amazing how naturally totally they are ignorant. Only 19% of "Serbs" have Slavic genes R1a. Also high percentage of Turkish, Thracian, Albanian etc Hodgepodge of Haplo groups "Serbs" are. The highest percentage "Serbs" have is Croatian genes Haplo group H1 at 23% the original Europeans. Croatians have over 80% H1 http://vox.publika.md/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Haplogroup_I.jpg and our decedents the Scandinavian country's next highest H1. Who spent the last Ice Age in Croatia and Bosnia and moved north after the Ice Sheets retreated.

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

Like as if any one cares about Serbs or Serbia in Croatia. Except the Serbs/Serbia are perpetually stuck on Croatia please Serbs get a normal life.
(Lenard, 25 May 2016 10:13)

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Isn't there at least one "perpetual" Croat reader/ commentator on the B92 site?

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Who's your daddy???

pre 7 godina

I wouldn't put it past Serbs or Lily Lynch to put the sticker up. Serbs always looking for pathetic sympathies even if they have to manufacture some. Sticker not even written in Croatian but English some one should investigate Lily. Like as if any one cares about Serbs or Serbia in Croatia. Except the Serbs/Serbia are perpetually stuck on Croatia please Serbs get a normal life. Stop being the perpetual asses of the Balkans Serbs.
(Lenard, 25 May 2016 10:13)

I love it when you talk like that. Too bad its gotta come out, eh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVUn08dwyaw

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J.c reynolds

pre 7 godina

Croats live in a small country, that is soaked in Serb, Jew, Roma blood. Their story is written in the history books in English for all of you to read. There is no denial, the truth cannot be buried for ever. I for one will never set foot in this land as these people are bred to hate from birth. May all those innocent women , children , and men murdered by the Ustashe Croats rest in peace. As one survivor from the camps a jew , he said if their is a god , he will have to beg me for forgiveness that he allowed such barbarity and wickedness to happen.

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Gjon Marku

pre 7 godina

Just because the world wont let Croatia behave like Nazi vassal fascist jackasses without calling them on it doesn't mean that anyone is obsessed with Hitler's paradise.
(Ari Gold, 25 May 2016 19:08)

I dont know if you should call out on someone for being a Nazi vassal. Specially since Serbia under Milan Nedic accepted Nazi occupation officially and pledged loyalty to the Wehrmacht to then proudly proclaim Beograd as the first "Jew Free" Capital in Europe.

What an achievment! You must be proud.

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LOL

pre 7 godina

croats are germanized slavs, their little attack poodles.
(Nikola, 25 May 2016 18:17)

No those are Slovenes. Croats can only wish to be that evolved. They're actually Persians. Don't call them Slavs. Even though they speak Slavic and have adopted all sorts of Slavic customs and mannerisms.

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Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Like as if any one cares about Serbs or Serbia in Croatia. Except the Serbs/Serbia are perpetually stuck on Croatia please Serbs get a normal life.
(Lenard, 25 May 2016 10:13)

Actually, Croatia's last election cycle completely revolved around Serbia. Each side competed with each other on who can sound the most extreme on Serbia. The media in Zagreb is constantly filled with stories on Serbia. I guess the numerous Jewish organizations that have condemned the new Croat government is also just "obsessed" http://www.reuters.com/article/us-croatia-jasenovac-idUSKCN0X82II or more recently numerous intellectuals http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/numerous-intellectuals-sign-against-croatian-culture-minister-05-24-2016

Just because the world wont let Croatia behave like Nazi vassal fascist jackasses without calling them on it doesn't mean that anyone is obsessed with Hitler's paradise.

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Nikola

pre 7 godina

This graffiti was on the walls in Croatia prior to Milosevic.

The irony: Serbs = Slavs, Kroats = Slavs.

Pathetic.
(Bob, 25 May 2016 13:15)

croats are germanized slavs, their little attack poodles.

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adrian_bucharest

pre 7 godina

Don`t forget people when will be election to vote as president IVICA DACIC

Only Ivica Davic will raise the pension and salary

For a new Serbia vote Ivica Dacic

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Drymades

pre 7 godina

Such a nice drawing Ljenocka, what did the doctor say to mommy? This is a huge step towards your full recovery, Ljenocka! Where is Ljenocka in that drawing? Behind the tree? Oh, Ljenocka, our shy djevushka who communicates via drawings, such an innocent drawing! Serbs are evil, Ljenocka, and so is Lily, djevushka!

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Gerhard

pre 7 godina

Except the Serbs/Serbia are perpetually stuck on Croatia please Serbs get a normal life. Stop being the perpetual asses of the Balkans Serbs.
(Lenard, 25 May 2016 10:13)

You perpetuate hate between people.

You are incapable of judging 'normal'.

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Lenard

pre 7 godina

I wouldn't put it past Serbs or Lily Lynch to put the sticker up. Serbs always looking for pathetic sympathies even if they have to manufacture some. Sticker not even written in Croatian but English some one should investigate Lily. Like as if any one cares about Serbs or Serbia in Croatia. Except the Serbs/Serbia are perpetually stuck on Croatia please Serbs get a normal life. Stop being the perpetual asses of the Balkans Serbs.

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sj

pre 7 godina

(Lenard, 25 May 2016 10:13)

While you were away being treated many things have occurred out in the big world such as articles being written in the UK and Germany on the rise of fascism in the EU’s recent member aka Krovatia, and the intolerance of Croats towards others.
Some influential EU members are pushing for the dismissal Hasanbegovic and the removal of HDZ. However, Lenny if it makes you feel good then the Serbs put up that poster LOL.
Lenny its only Krovats being Krovats. Its in your nature.

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sj

pre 7 godina

(Lenard, 25 May 2016 10:13)

While you were away being treated many things have occurred out in the big world such as articles being written in the UK and Germany on the rise of fascism in the EU’s recent member aka Krovatia, and the intolerance of Croats towards others.
Some influential EU members are pushing for the dismissal Hasanbegovic and the removal of HDZ. However, Lenny if it makes you feel good then the Serbs put up that poster LOL.
Lenny its only Krovats being Krovats. Its in your nature.

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Gerhard

pre 7 godina

Except the Serbs/Serbia are perpetually stuck on Croatia please Serbs get a normal life. Stop being the perpetual asses of the Balkans Serbs.
(Lenard, 25 May 2016 10:13)

You perpetuate hate between people.

You are incapable of judging 'normal'.

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Lenard

pre 7 godina

I wouldn't put it past Serbs or Lily Lynch to put the sticker up. Serbs always looking for pathetic sympathies even if they have to manufacture some. Sticker not even written in Croatian but English some one should investigate Lily. Like as if any one cares about Serbs or Serbia in Croatia. Except the Serbs/Serbia are perpetually stuck on Croatia please Serbs get a normal life. Stop being the perpetual asses of the Balkans Serbs.

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Nikola

pre 7 godina

This graffiti was on the walls in Croatia prior to Milosevic.

The irony: Serbs = Slavs, Kroats = Slavs.

Pathetic.
(Bob, 25 May 2016 13:15)

croats are germanized slavs, their little attack poodles.

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Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Like as if any one cares about Serbs or Serbia in Croatia. Except the Serbs/Serbia are perpetually stuck on Croatia please Serbs get a normal life.
(Lenard, 25 May 2016 10:13)

Actually, Croatia's last election cycle completely revolved around Serbia. Each side competed with each other on who can sound the most extreme on Serbia. The media in Zagreb is constantly filled with stories on Serbia. I guess the numerous Jewish organizations that have condemned the new Croat government is also just "obsessed" http://www.reuters.com/article/us-croatia-jasenovac-idUSKCN0X82II or more recently numerous intellectuals http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/numerous-intellectuals-sign-against-croatian-culture-minister-05-24-2016

Just because the world wont let Croatia behave like Nazi vassal fascist jackasses without calling them on it doesn't mean that anyone is obsessed with Hitler's paradise.

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sj

pre 7 godina

Not even slightly interesting comments from Serbs it is amazing how naturally totally they are ignorant. Only 19% of "Serbs" have Slavic genes R1a. Also high percentage of Turkish, Thracian, Albanian etc Hodgepodge of Haplo groups "Serbs" are. The highest percentage "Serbs" have is Croatian genes Haplo group H1 at 23% the original Europeans. Croatians have over 80% H1 [link] and our decedents the Scandinavian country's next highest H1. Who spent the last Ice Age in Croatia and Bosnia and moved north after the Ice Sheets retreated.
(Lenard, 26 May 2016 10:26)

So with all this superiority over Serbs you have not managed to form your own language but speak Serbian nor did you have your own special writing but had to use the Serbian Cyrillic alphabet. Love Croats they are so full of BS.
Looking forward to reading about Atlantis the lost Croat empire LOL.

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LOL

pre 7 godina

croats are germanized slavs, their little attack poodles.
(Nikola, 25 May 2016 18:17)

No those are Slovenes. Croats can only wish to be that evolved. They're actually Persians. Don't call them Slavs. Even though they speak Slavic and have adopted all sorts of Slavic customs and mannerisms.

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J.c reynolds

pre 7 godina

Croats live in a small country, that is soaked in Serb, Jew, Roma blood. Their story is written in the history books in English for all of you to read. There is no denial, the truth cannot be buried for ever. I for one will never set foot in this land as these people are bred to hate from birth. May all those innocent women , children , and men murdered by the Ustashe Croats rest in peace. As one survivor from the camps a jew , he said if their is a god , he will have to beg me for forgiveness that he allowed such barbarity and wickedness to happen.

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Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

I dont know if you should call out on someone for being a Nazi vassal. Specially since Serbia under Milan Nedic accepted Nazi occupation officially and pledged loyalty to the Wehrmacht to then proudly proclaim Beograd as the first "Jew Free" Capital in Europe.

What an achievment! You must be proud.
(Gjon Marku, 26 May 2016 00:11)

No Serbs did not accept occupation, Serbs organized not one but two anti-fascist resistance groups. I know why it's in your interest to relativize WWII to put Serbs on equal footing with the collaborators but nothing doing. Even Israel's Prime Minister once said Serbia is the only country in the region that has nothing to be ashamed of when it comes to WWII.

Now were there individual collaborators? Of course, Serbia has been dealing with internal traitors since forever. There were also Jews that served in the Nazis too, Armenians that served for the Ottomans etc etc.

But when it comes to who resisted Hitler in the greatest number, Serbs by far. Who suffered from Nazi aggression the most? Serbs by far https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_persecution_of_Serbs Who served Hitler the strongest? Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians.

So yes very proud of Serbia's resistance just like you're ashamed of your nations' role so you try to equalize all of our roles, but the facts don't agree.

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Who's your daddy???

pre 7 godina

I wouldn't put it past Serbs or Lily Lynch to put the sticker up. Serbs always looking for pathetic sympathies even if they have to manufacture some. Sticker not even written in Croatian but English some one should investigate Lily. Like as if any one cares about Serbs or Serbia in Croatia. Except the Serbs/Serbia are perpetually stuck on Croatia please Serbs get a normal life. Stop being the perpetual asses of the Balkans Serbs.
(Lenard, 25 May 2016 10:13)

I love it when you talk like that. Too bad its gotta come out, eh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVUn08dwyaw

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

Like as if any one cares about Serbs or Serbia in Croatia. Except the Serbs/Serbia are perpetually stuck on Croatia please Serbs get a normal life.
(Lenard, 25 May 2016 10:13)

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Isn't there at least one "perpetual" Croat reader/ commentator on the B92 site?

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Lenard

pre 7 godina

Not even slightly interesting comments from Serbs it is amazing how naturally totally they are ignorant. Only 19% of "Serbs" have Slavic genes R1a. Also high percentage of Turkish, Thracian, Albanian etc Hodgepodge of Haplo groups "Serbs" are. The highest percentage "Serbs" have is Croatian genes Haplo group H1 at 23% the original Europeans. Croatians have over 80% H1 http://vox.publika.md/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Haplogroup_I.jpg and our decedents the Scandinavian country's next highest H1. Who spent the last Ice Age in Croatia and Bosnia and moved north after the Ice Sheets retreated.

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Gjon Marku

pre 7 godina

No Serbs did not accept occupation, Serbs organized not one but two anti-fascist resistance groups. I know why it's in your interest to relativize WWII to put Serbs on equal footing with the collaborators but nothing doing.
(Ari Gold, 26 May 2016 16:17)

I hate to destroy your believes but fact is all Balkan countries surrenderd to Nazi Germany and collaborated. There were Partisan Groups all over the balkans, no nation excluded and many individuals have been honored as "Righteous among nations" by the state of Israel (Croatians, Bosniaks, Serbs, Albanians). Here is the official page of Yad Vasheem http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/righteous/index.asp?WT.mc_id=wiki

Even though all balkan countries have been recognised as occupied territories in order to blame it all on Germany, no balkan country acted in a honorable way during that time and you cannot point your fingers to another country while 200k died in concentrations camps in Serbia. Nedic is not fiction. It happened. Maybe you should learn your own history before talking about others.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

But when it comes to who resisted Hitler in the greatest number, Serbs by far. Who suffered from Nazi aggression the most? Serbs by far [link] Who served Hitler the strongest? Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians.
(Ari Gold, 26 May 2016 16:17)

Sure, there were some Albanians who, similarly to some Serbs served Hitler.

But Albania, similarly to Serbia, was not considered part of the Axis during WW2.

So, I'm not really sure what you're trying to say!

Are you trying to say that collaborators of Hitler were good if they were Serbian, but bad if they were Albanian?! :)

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njegos

pre 7 godina

Hey icj, read Julia's comments again, and this time pay attention. She said Croatia was the only country that had concentration camps for children, which is correct. Your feeble attempt to equate Serb crimes with that of the Ustasha falls far short of the mark.

Croatia welcomed the Nazis into Zagreb with a parade. They embraced Hitler. Conversely, the Serbs resisted the Nazis and for that Belgrade was bombed unmercifully. After Hitler occupied Serbia the Nedic gov't. was implemented, while the official Serbian gov't. in exile continued to resist the Nazis, read Chetniks. Your shameful attempt to equate the two either demonstrates your lack of knowledge of the era or your stupidity, which is it?

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From Gjon: "Nedic is not fiction. It happened."

Yes it did happen, but put it in its proper context instead of irresponsibly trying to equate it with Albanian, Ustasha, Muslim, etc. collaboration.

Nedic was implemented by the Nazis after they had bombed Belgrade because the Serbs defied Hitler and chose to resist the Nazis against insurmountable odds. What kind of resistance did the Albanians put up when fascist Italy controlled them? What kind of resistance did Croatia put up when Hitler marched into Zagreb? What resistance did the Muslims of Bosnia put up when the Ustasha seized control of large parts of B-H? You know the answer Gjon, NONE! All of the above mentioned embraced the Nazis.

Hey Gjon, how many of your relatives were part of Balli Kombetar? Please be honest. Tell the b92 audience of their honorable exploits. You're a joke.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj (the snake): "Thx for confirming what I said mate that you were the one who wrote “Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors" (2nd and 3rd line of your own quote) lol"

Thanks for confirming that you cut & pasted only a piece of my comments to intentionally try to change the meaning. And thanks for confirming that you intentionally printed the comment out of context to intentionally mislead the readers. And thanks for demonstrating once again that you are a fraud and a clown. Be glad you are able to hide behind a keyboard.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From our friend icj: "That’s why Yugoslavia’s government (its Serb prime minister) signed the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired?! Yugoslavia’s government (together with Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania) were the only sovereign (i.e. non puppet) governments in Europe which signed the Tripartite Pact (with Germany, Italy and Japan) while their countries were not occupied by the Axis powers. So, Yugoslavia has no moral high ground, at all. In comparison, sure NDH signed the Tripartite Pact, too. But the NDH was not a sovereign state and Croatia was occupied by the Nazis at the time.

Wrong yet again icj! What happened 2 days after the Serb prime minister signed the Tripartite Pact? Since you seem to have memory loss, I'll be glad to tell you. The Serbian people staged a coup and overthrew the gov't. and chose to fight the Nazis even though they were surrounded by those who had already signed the pact. Winston Churchill commented that the Serbian people had found their soul. Conversely, all of Yugoslavia's neighbors, except Greece, willfully supported the Axis. So yes, the Serb people do have moral high ground to stand on in comparison to their neighbors including the Croats, Albanians and Muslims of Yugoslavia who embraced the Nazis. How do you live with yourself?

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Drymades

pre 7 godina

Such a nice drawing Ljenocka, what did the doctor say to mommy? This is a huge step towards your full recovery, Ljenocka! Where is Ljenocka in that drawing? Behind the tree? Oh, Ljenocka, our shy djevushka who communicates via drawings, such an innocent drawing! Serbs are evil, Ljenocka, and so is Lily, djevushka!

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Gjon Marku

pre 7 godina

Just because the world wont let Croatia behave like Nazi vassal fascist jackasses without calling them on it doesn't mean that anyone is obsessed with Hitler's paradise.
(Ari Gold, 25 May 2016 19:08)

I dont know if you should call out on someone for being a Nazi vassal. Specially since Serbia under Milan Nedic accepted Nazi occupation officially and pledged loyalty to the Wehrmacht to then proudly proclaim Beograd as the first "Jew Free" Capital in Europe.

What an achievment! You must be proud.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Well Croatia did have concentration camps for Serbian kids (the only country in the world that did that), so this is not a surprise.
(Julia, 26 May 2016 22:11)

Well, it appears that Croatia was not alone. Serbia too did have concentration camps such as the Banjica concentration camp.

So, are you trying to say that a concentration camp was bad if Croatia had it, but it was good if Serbia had it?!

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj: "But the NDH was not a sovereign state and Croatia was occupied by the Nazis at the time."

Wrong! The Croatians welcomed Hitler into Zagreb with a parade. There was no occupation. There was no resistance. The only resistance to the Nazis in Croatia came from the Serb Chetniks of the Krajina. Much later Tito's Partizans were formed consisting of Serbs and Croats who didn't provide any meaningful resistance until the US & Britain began supporting them. Your shameful historical revisionism is absurd.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj: "Mate, I just pointed out that there were concentration camps in Serbia, like in Croatia. If you want to equate or not equate, that is your business.

Let's see icj, you mention above that there were concentration camps in Serbia, like in Croatia, but you're not comparing right? Fact is, they were nothing like the concentration camps in Croatia as you CLEARLY state above. If you'd like I can cut and paste German officer accounts of what went on at Jasenovac and the other Ustasha concentration camps. Just let me know. I'm always willing to help bring people like you up to speed with facts and proper context on subjects in which they are deficient. A mind is a terrible thing to waste, you know.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

icj - Any writer worth their salt knows that if the entire story isn't told, the meaning can be drastically altered. This tactic is employed when the writer wishes to mislead or the author simply doesn't know the full story. In your case, I believe the former applies.

You stated that the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before a shot was fired. And because of this, the Serbs had no moral high ground to stand on relative to their neighbors. You also implied that the Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors. Had this been where the story ends, your statements would have been fine. However, you intentionally left out the fact that 2 days after the Pact was signed, the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. and chose to fight the Nazis. As a result, Belgrade was bombed to pieces. How many bombs fell on Zagreb, Sarajevo or Tirana? None, because there was no resistance in those places to speak of. Why did Hitler put forth the edict that for every German killed, 100 Serbs would be killed and for every German wounded, 50 Serbs would die?

Your hatred for the Serbs has rendered your comments irresponsible and revisionist. Try as you may to smear the Serbs, there will always be someone out there to correct your half-truths. You, my friend are a boob and not worth another minute of my time.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

Well, the deceitful, misleading and lying icj is at it again. This time icj, attributes the following comments to me after cutting & pasting pieces of them out of context to change the meaning of the narratives to intentionally mislead the reader.

3 June 2016 01:50
“Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors."

Here is what I said in full and proper context:

"You stated that the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before a shot was fired. And because of this, the Serbs had no moral high ground to stand on relative to their neighbors. You also implied that the Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors. Had this been where the story ends, your statements would have been fine. However, you intentionally left out the fact that 2 days after the Pact was signed, the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. and chose to fight the Nazis. As a result, Belgrade was bombed to pieces. How many bombs fell on Zagreb, Sarajevo or Tirana? None, because there was no resistance in those places to speak of. Why did Hitler put forth the edict that for every German killed, 100 Serbs would be killed and for every German wounded, 50 Serbs would die?"

Nice try icj. Unfortunately for you I can cut & paste too. There have been a lot snakes on this board in the past, but I must say you have taken it to a new low. Congratulations!

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njegos

pre 7 godina

More misrepresentations from the deceitful and lying icj:

icj attributes this statement (out of context again, of course) to me:

June 4 “signing the Pact one would be led to believe that the Serbs were Nazi collaborators.”

Here is the full comment in it's complete and proper context:

"If the story ended with the Yugslav gov't. signing the Pact one would be led to believe that the Serbs were Nazi supporters as icj implies. Tell us icj, why did you stop your history lesson with the signing of the Pact? Why didn't you state that the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. 2 days later and chose to fight the Nazis? Oh that's right, the complete story doesn't fit your anti-Serb narrative."

Yet another example of the snake of the forum, icj, cutting and pasting in an attempt to change the meaning to intentionally mislead the reader. Keep up the good work icj. You have been exposed for the fraud that you are. HAHAHA! What will you come up with next? I can only guess. LMAO!!

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njegos

pre 7 godina

When I asked icj why Zagreb, Sarajevo or Tirana weren't bombed by the Nazis, here was his/her reply: "Mate, Belgrade was the capital of Yugoslavia, whereas Zagreb and Sarajevo were not. If you wanted Belgrade bombed less, you should have made Zagreb or Sarajevo the capital of Yugoslavia..."

How utterly ridiculous. Please explain why these cities, none of which were capitals were bombed by the Nazis: Leningrad, Stalingrad, Odessa, Kiev, Minsk, Murmansk, Rotterdam, Antwerp, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Manchester, Glasgow, Liverpool & Belfast.

Your argument falls apart yet again icj. Please stop parading yourself as some sort of WWII historian when you can't even be honest about the basics. The reason Zagreb, Sarajevo & Tirana weren't bombed by the Nazis was, as most people know, there were large populations supporting the Nazis in these cities.

Again, you have been exposed for the fraud that you are. This is too easy!

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj (the snake): “Thx for confirming what I said mate that you were the one who wrote “Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors" (2nd and 3rd line of your own quote) lol “
My full quote can be found below. This is evidence that icj intentionally deleted relevant portions of the quote out of context to alter the meaning.
"You stated that the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before a shot was fired. And because of this, the Serbs had no moral high ground to stand on relative to their neighbors. You also implied that the Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors. Had this been where the story ends, your statements would have been fine. However, you intentionally left out the fact that 2 days after the Pact was signed, the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. and chose to fight the Nazis. As a result, Belgrade was bombed to pieces.”
I’ve debated with some low-lifes on this board in the past, but this is the first time that anyone has stooped to this level. Take your beating like a man or woman, whatever you are, but don’t alter your opponent’s sentences to suit your narrative. My bet is that icj got beat up a lot as a youngster. As I said before, be glad you have a computer to hide behind.
Now that you’ve been completely discredited, get lost punk. If you wish to address me in the future, please go back and answer the questions that I asked of you before returning. On second thought, just get lost. LMAOAY!!!!

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adrian_bucharest

pre 7 godina

Don`t forget people when will be election to vote as president IVICA DACIC

Only Ivica Davic will raise the pension and salary

For a new Serbia vote Ivica Dacic

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Well Croatia did have concentration camps for Serbian kids (the only country in the world that did that), so this is not a surprise.
(Julia, 26 May 2016 22:11)

Well, it appears that Croatia was not alone. Serbia too did have concentration camps such as the Banjica concentration camp.

So, are you trying to say that a concentration camp was bad if Croatia had it, but it was good if Serbia had it?!
(icj1, 28 May 2016 21:26)

Your feeble attempt to equate Serb crimes with that of the Ustasha falls far short of the mark.
(njegos, 30 May 2016 15:46)

Mate, I just pointed out that there were concentration camps in Serbia, like in Croatia. If you want to equate or not equate, that is your business. However, I did not say that Serbs committed crimes. There were some Serbs (similarly to some Croats) that helped Hitler run concentration camps. But that does not make the Serb (or the Croat people) Nazi collaborators. Not sure why you want to relate the crimes of a few with the Serb people!!!

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj: "... If anything, Yugoslavia has lower moral ground (if you want to play the comparative game), because it signed the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired. Excellent example of cowardice!"

Perfect example of icj only telling part of the story. If the story ended with the Yugslav gov't. signing the Pact one would be led to believe that the Serbs were Nazi supporters as icj implies. Tell us icj, why did you stop your history lesson with the signing of the Pact? Why didn't you state that the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. 2 days later and chose to fight the Nazis? Oh that's right, the complete story doesn't fit your anti-Serb narrative.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

FROM ICJ: "... for some perverse reason, you are trying, more than once now, to imply that Serbs were Nazi supporters!!!"

False yet again. Now we can add 'liar' to the list of adjectives used to describe icj.

Funny how you say Serbs had a lower moral ground to stand on because the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before being occupied. It seems to me that the gov't. was made up of more than just Serbs and although the person that signed the Pact was a Serb, he was only one person and obviously differed with the Serb masses as he was ousted 2 days later by Serbs! Why do you paint the Serbs with such a broad brush based on the signature of one man when the overwhelmingly majority decided to defy the Nazis and stage a resistance? Just another example of icj playing his/her anti-Serb games. You are pitiful.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

From Gjon: "Nedic is not fiction. It happened."

Yes it did happen, but put it in its proper context instead of irresponsibly trying to equate it with Albanian, Ustasha, Muslim, etc. collaboration.
(njegos, 30 May 2016 16:01)

Exactly. That’s why things were put in proper context after WW2 and only Bulgaria, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Italy and Romania were considered as Axis powers in Europe. The rest, Albania included, were considered victors and even got reparations of war.
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Nedic was implemented by the Nazis after they had bombed Belgrade because the Serbs defied Hitler and chose to resist the Nazis against insurmountable odds.
(njegos, 30 May 2016 16:01)

That’s why Yugoslavia’s government (its Serb prime minister) signed the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired?! Yugoslavia’s government (together with Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania) were the only sovereign (i.e. non puppet) governments in Europe which signed the Tripartite Pact (with Germany, Italy and Japan) while their countries were not occupied by the Axis powers. So, Yugoslavia has no moral high ground, at all. In comparison, sure NDH signed the Tripartite Pact, too. But the NDH was not a sovereign state and Croatia was occupied by the Nazis at the time.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

What kind of resistance did Croatia put up when Hitler marched into Zagreb?
(njegos, 30 May 2016 16:01)

The Yugoslav armed forces tried to protect Zagreb, like they tried to protect Belgrade and the rest of the country. When the Yugoslav government surrendered to the Nazis, the Yugoslav armed forces stopped fighting in Croatia, like they stopped fighting in Serbia and in the rest of Yugoslavia. Not sure why you wanted the Yugoslav armed forces to continue fighting in Croatia only!

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Nedic was implemented by the Nazis after they had bombed Belgrade because the Serbs defied Hitler and chose to resist the Nazis against insurmountable odds.
(njegos, 30 May 2016 16:01)

That’s why Yugoslavia’s government (its Serb prime minister) signed the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired?! Yugoslavia’s government (together with Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania) were the only sovereign (i.e. non puppet) governments in Europe which signed the Tripartite Pact (with Germany, Italy and Japan) while their countries were not occupied by the Axis powers. So, Yugoslavia has no moral high ground, at all. In comparison, sure NDH signed the Tripartite Pact, too. But the NDH was not a sovereign state and Croatia was occupied by the Nazis at the time.
(icj1, 31 May 2016 19:19)

Wrong!

Your shameful historical revisionism is absurd.
(njegos, 1 June 2016 13:52)

"Wrong" because you don't like it?! The fact that NDH was not a sovereign state was established beyond reasonable doubt by the Nuremeberg Trials in "The United States of America v. Wilhelm List, et al.". You screaming "wrong" cannot change that fact since you are a nobody compared to the Nuremberg Tribunals. The Tribunal also established that in setting up the Croatian government, the Germans, established an administration with Ante Pavelitch
at its head, even though his group represented only an estimated 5% of the population of the country.

That is facts, not like the "myths" in your head!

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icj1

pre 7 godina

From our friend icj: "That’s why Yugoslavia’s government (its Serb prime minister) signed the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired?! Yugoslavia’s government (together with Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania) were the only sovereign (i.e. non puppet) governments in Europe which signed the Tripartite Pact (with Germany, Italy and Japan) while their countries were not occupied by the Axis powers. So, Yugoslavia has no moral high ground, at all. In comparison, sure NDH signed the Tripartite Pact, too. But the NDH was not a sovereign state and Croatia was occupied by the Nazis at the time.

Wrong yet again icj!
(njegos, 1 June 2016 14:15)

What's wrong?!!! Didn't Yugoslavia sign the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired?
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What happened 2 days after the Serb prime minister signed the Tripartite Pact?
(njegos, 1 June 2016 14:15)

It was overthrown by a coup, and the new government continued to adhere to the signature, just asking for additional terms before ratification.

My point is that Yugoslavia has no higher moral ground than Albania or others that were not part of the Axis. If anything, Yugoslavia has lower moral ground (if you want to play the comparative game), because it signed the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired. Excellent example of cowardice! Other "governments" signed it under Nazi occupation (except for Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania).

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icj1

pre 7 godina

From icj: "Mate, I just pointed out that there were concentration camps in Serbia, like in Croatia. If you want to equate or not equate, that is your business.

Let's see icj, you mention above that there were concentration camps in Serbia, like in Croatia, but you're not comparing right? Fact is, they were nothing like the concentration camps in Croatia as you CLEARLY state above. If you'd like I can cut and paste German officer accounts of what went on at Jasenovac and the other Ustasha concentration camps. Just let me know. I'm always willing to help bring people like you up to speed with facts and proper context on subjects in which they are deficient. A mind is a terrible thing to waste, you know.
(njegos, 1 June 2016 14:43)

Please do the copying and pasting, but not sure what you are trying to achieve. I'm the first to say that Serbs suffered during WW2, like did many other European nations. You are just going to provide evidence for things that I'm saying lol

But if you have evidence that concentration camps were good if they were in Serbia, but bad if they were in Crotia, please feel free to bring those facts to light!

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icj1

pre 7 godina

icj - Any writer worth their salt knows that if the entire story isn't told, the meaning can be drastically altered. This tactic is employed when the writer wishes to mislead or the author simply doesn't know the full story. In your case, I believe the former applies.
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

If the argument in support of that is because you believe it, it can safely be ignored given that few things that you believe, if any, turn out to be correct :)
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You stated that the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before a shot was fired.And because of this, the Serbs had no moral high ground to stand on relative to their neighbors.
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

I did not want to play comparative games, but since you were insisting...
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You also implied that the Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors.
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

No, you are implying that. Instead I'm putting things in context (as you suggested earlier). Just because Nedic collaborated with the Nazis, that does not make Serbs Nazi supporters. Also, just because the Albanian or the Pavelitch puppet governments collaborated with the Fascists/Nazis, does not make the Albanians or Croats Nazi collaborators (and I even provided you the proof for that). Context applies to everybody, not just to the Serbs.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

However, you intentionally left out the fact that 2 days after the Pact was signed, the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. and chose to fight the Nazis.
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

Well, the signing, even for 1 second, is worse than not signing at all. The fact remains that Yugoslavia, in a cowardly fashion, signed the tripartite part without a shot being fired and while not under Nazi occupation. Other non-Axis countries did not do that. Only Yugoslavia did that. Is there anything factually incorrect in what I wrote?

By the way, the Yugoslav armed forces that fought the Nazis were not Serbs only. It’s this logic of Yugoslavia = Serbia that ultimately doomed Yugoslavia.
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As a result, Belgrade was bombed to pieces. How many bombs fell on Zagreb, Sarajevo or Tirana?
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

Mate, Belgrade was the capital of Yugoslavia, whereas Zagreb and Sarajevo were not. If you wanted Belgrade bombed less, you should have made Zagreb or Sarajevo the capital of Yugoslavia. But, anyway, tell me the count of bombs in Belgrade and I'll tell you the count of bombs in the other places :)
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None
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

Evidence?

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Why did Hitler put forth the edict that for every German killed, 100 Serbs would be killed and for every German wounded, 50 Serbs would die?
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

Because Hitler and his top commanders were war criminals who committed war crimes in all countries that Germany occupied. Otherwise, few people, if any, would have been convicted at the Nuremberg.
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Your hatred for the Serbs has rendered your comments irresponsible and revisionist.
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

Where did I say that I hate Serbs?! What did I revise?! To the contrary, I wrote that I’m the first to say that Serbs suffered during WW2. But, the suffering of Serbs during WW2 does not mean that everybody else was a Nazi collaborator. Does saying that make me a Serb hater?!
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Try as you may to smear the Serbs, there will always be someone out there to correct your half-truths.
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

Well, you did not find anything that I wrote that was incorrect, so there is nothing to correct, in the first place :)
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You, my friend are a boob and not worth another minute of my time.
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

It does not matter how much time you spend writing nonsense; facts are stubborn. So, that’s a wise decision of yours for finally coming to that realisation that it's not worth your time trying to fight facts lol

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icj1

pre 7 godina

If anything, Yugoslavia has lower moral ground (if you want to play the comparative game), because it signed the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired. Excellent example of cowardice! Other "governments" signed it under Nazi occupation (except for Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania).
(icj1, 2 June 2016 18:57)

Perfect example of icj only telling part of the story. If the story ended with the Yugslav gov't. signing the Pact one would be led to believe that the Serbs were Nazi supporters as icj implies.
(njegos, 4 June 2016 16:26)

I did not imply that, you are implying that. I'm not sure why, for some perverse reason, you are trying, more than once now, to imply that Serbs were Nazi supporters!!!

Instead, I wrote the following, and I quote:

"Serbia, was not considered part of the Axis during WW2"

"I'm the first to say that Serbs suffered during WW2"

"Just because Nedic collaborated with the Nazis, that does not make Serbs Nazi supporters"

As for how the story ended, I mentioned it already. As you suggested, things were put in proper context after WW2 and only Bulgaria, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Italy and Romania were considered as Axis powers in Europe. The rest, Albania included, were considered victors and even got reparations of war.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

I'm not sure why, for some perverse reason, you are trying, more than once now, to imply that Serbs were Nazi supporters!!!
(icj1, 5 June 2016 01:10)

False yet again. Now we can add 'liar' to the list of adjectives used to describe icj.
(njegos, 5 June 2016 14:30)

Well, a certain “njegos” wrote the following:

3 June 2016 01:50
“Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors”

4 June 2016 16:26
“signing the Pact one would be led to believe that the Serbs were Nazi supporters”

I’m assuming you are the same “njegos” as the one who wrote the above
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Funny how you say Serbs had a lower moral ground to stand on because the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before being occupied.
(njegos, 5 June 2016 14:30)

No, I did not say “Serbs had a lower moral ground”. You are saying that…
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Why do you paint the Serbs with such a broad brush based on the signature of one man when the overwhelmingly majority decided to defy the Nazis and stage a resistance?
(njegos, 5 June 2016 14:30)

No, I did not paint the Serbs with such a broad brush – you are doing that, and more than once now. Indeed, I said that things were put in proper context after WW2 and only Bulgaria, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Italy and Romania were considered as Axis powers in Europe. Also, I explicitly distinguished that acts of a few who collaborated with the Nazis from the Serb, Albanian, Croat or other people who were not part of the Axis.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Here is what I said in full and proper context:

"You stated that the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before a shot was fired. And because of this, the Serbs had no moral high ground to stand on relative to their neighbors. You also implied that the Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors. Had this been where the story ends, your statements would have been fine. However, you intentionally left out the fact that 2 days after the Pact was signed, the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. and chose to fight the Nazis. As a result, Belgrade was bombed to pieces. How many bombs fell on Zagreb, Sarajevo or Tirana? None, because there was no resistance in those places to speak of. Why did Hitler put forth the edict that for every German killed, 100 Serbs would be killed and for every German wounded, 50 Serbs would die?"

Nice try icj. Unfortunately for you I can cut & paste too. There have been a lot snakes on this board in the past, but I must say you have taken it to a new low. Congratulations!
(njegos, 6 June 2016 15:49)

Thx for confirming what I said mate that you were the one who wrote “Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors" (2nd and 3rd line of your own quote) lol

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icj1

pre 7 godina

More misrepresentations from the deceitful and lying icj:

icj attributes this statement (out of context again, of course) to me:

June 4 “signing the Pact one would be led to believe that the Serbs were Nazi collaborators.”
(njegos, 6 June 2016 16:01)

Sorry, but whom else attribute it?! You were the one who wrote that. For myself, I wrote, that Yugoslavia was not considered part of the Axis and that just because somebody collaborated with the Nazis, does not make Serbs Nazi supporters. So, I was very clear that I did not consider either Yugoslavia or the Serbs Nazi collaborators.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Thx for confirming what I said mate that you were the one who wrote “Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors" (2nd and 3rd line of your own quote) lol
(icj1, 6 June 2016 21:17)

Thanks for confirming that you cut & pasted
(njegos, 6 June 2016 23:20)

You are welcome! If you need any more confirmations that I just quoted you, let me know....
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Be glad you are able to hide behind a keyboard.
(njegos, 6 June 2016 23:20)

Not glad at all since it's nothing special. Me, you and everybody else here is hiding behind a keyboard, no?

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icj1

pre 7 godina

My full quote can be found below. This is evidence that icj intentionally deleted relevant portions of the quote out of context to alter the meaning.
"You stated that the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before a shot was fired. And because of this, the Serbs had no moral high ground to stand on relative to their neighbors. You also implied that the Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors. Had this been where the story ends, your statements would have been fine. However, you intentionally left out the fact that 2 days after the Pact was signed, the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. and chose to fight the Nazis. As a result, Belgrade was bombed to pieces.”
(njegos, 9 June 2016 22:47)

Thx for providing the evidence, again, that you implied that the Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors.
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My bet is that icj got beat up a lot as a youngster.
(njegos, 9 June 2016 22:47)

Well, just because that might have been your experience as a youngster, it does not necessarily mean that all contributors in these forums have had the same experience. We can discuss your life as a youngster if you wish, but not sure it will do anything to increase or decrease the validity of your arguments!

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icj1

pre 7 godina

As I said before, be glad you have a computer to hide behind.
(njegos, 9 June 2016 22:47)

I don’t feel any special about it since everybody in these forums, you included, have the same privilege!
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Now that you’ve been completely discredited, get lost punk. If you wish to address me in the future, please go back and answer the questions that I asked of you before returning. On second thought, just get lost. LMAOAY!!!!
(njegos, 9 June 2016 22:47)

Well, yeah, you succeeded in discrediting yourself as being a Serb hater. However, if you have any questions you still need help with, I’m be more than happy to assist.

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Lenard

pre 7 godina

I wouldn't put it past Serbs or Lily Lynch to put the sticker up. Serbs always looking for pathetic sympathies even if they have to manufacture some. Sticker not even written in Croatian but English some one should investigate Lily. Like as if any one cares about Serbs or Serbia in Croatia. Except the Serbs/Serbia are perpetually stuck on Croatia please Serbs get a normal life. Stop being the perpetual asses of the Balkans Serbs.

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adrian_bucharest

pre 7 godina

Don`t forget people when will be election to vote as president IVICA DACIC

Only Ivica Davic will raise the pension and salary

For a new Serbia vote Ivica Dacic

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sj

pre 7 godina

(Lenard, 25 May 2016 10:13)

While you were away being treated many things have occurred out in the big world such as articles being written in the UK and Germany on the rise of fascism in the EU’s recent member aka Krovatia, and the intolerance of Croats towards others.
Some influential EU members are pushing for the dismissal Hasanbegovic and the removal of HDZ. However, Lenny if it makes you feel good then the Serbs put up that poster LOL.
Lenny its only Krovats being Krovats. Its in your nature.

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Gerhard

pre 7 godina

Except the Serbs/Serbia are perpetually stuck on Croatia please Serbs get a normal life. Stop being the perpetual asses of the Balkans Serbs.
(Lenard, 25 May 2016 10:13)

You perpetuate hate between people.

You are incapable of judging 'normal'.

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Nikola

pre 7 godina

This graffiti was on the walls in Croatia prior to Milosevic.

The irony: Serbs = Slavs, Kroats = Slavs.

Pathetic.
(Bob, 25 May 2016 13:15)

croats are germanized slavs, their little attack poodles.

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Drymades

pre 7 godina

Such a nice drawing Ljenocka, what did the doctor say to mommy? This is a huge step towards your full recovery, Ljenocka! Where is Ljenocka in that drawing? Behind the tree? Oh, Ljenocka, our shy djevushka who communicates via drawings, such an innocent drawing! Serbs are evil, Ljenocka, and so is Lily, djevushka!

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Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Like as if any one cares about Serbs or Serbia in Croatia. Except the Serbs/Serbia are perpetually stuck on Croatia please Serbs get a normal life.
(Lenard, 25 May 2016 10:13)

Actually, Croatia's last election cycle completely revolved around Serbia. Each side competed with each other on who can sound the most extreme on Serbia. The media in Zagreb is constantly filled with stories on Serbia. I guess the numerous Jewish organizations that have condemned the new Croat government is also just "obsessed" http://www.reuters.com/article/us-croatia-jasenovac-idUSKCN0X82II or more recently numerous intellectuals http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/numerous-intellectuals-sign-against-croatian-culture-minister-05-24-2016

Just because the world wont let Croatia behave like Nazi vassal fascist jackasses without calling them on it doesn't mean that anyone is obsessed with Hitler's paradise.

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Gjon Marku

pre 7 godina

Just because the world wont let Croatia behave like Nazi vassal fascist jackasses without calling them on it doesn't mean that anyone is obsessed with Hitler's paradise.
(Ari Gold, 25 May 2016 19:08)

I dont know if you should call out on someone for being a Nazi vassal. Specially since Serbia under Milan Nedic accepted Nazi occupation officially and pledged loyalty to the Wehrmacht to then proudly proclaim Beograd as the first "Jew Free" Capital in Europe.

What an achievment! You must be proud.

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Lenard

pre 7 godina

Not even slightly interesting comments from Serbs it is amazing how naturally totally they are ignorant. Only 19% of "Serbs" have Slavic genes R1a. Also high percentage of Turkish, Thracian, Albanian etc Hodgepodge of Haplo groups "Serbs" are. The highest percentage "Serbs" have is Croatian genes Haplo group H1 at 23% the original Europeans. Croatians have over 80% H1 http://vox.publika.md/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Haplogroup_I.jpg and our decedents the Scandinavian country's next highest H1. Who spent the last Ice Age in Croatia and Bosnia and moved north after the Ice Sheets retreated.

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Gjon Marku

pre 7 godina

No Serbs did not accept occupation, Serbs organized not one but two anti-fascist resistance groups. I know why it's in your interest to relativize WWII to put Serbs on equal footing with the collaborators but nothing doing.
(Ari Gold, 26 May 2016 16:17)

I hate to destroy your believes but fact is all Balkan countries surrenderd to Nazi Germany and collaborated. There were Partisan Groups all over the balkans, no nation excluded and many individuals have been honored as "Righteous among nations" by the state of Israel (Croatians, Bosniaks, Serbs, Albanians). Here is the official page of Yad Vasheem http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/righteous/index.asp?WT.mc_id=wiki

Even though all balkan countries have been recognised as occupied territories in order to blame it all on Germany, no balkan country acted in a honorable way during that time and you cannot point your fingers to another country while 200k died in concentrations camps in Serbia. Nedic is not fiction. It happened. Maybe you should learn your own history before talking about others.

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sj

pre 7 godina

Not even slightly interesting comments from Serbs it is amazing how naturally totally they are ignorant. Only 19% of "Serbs" have Slavic genes R1a. Also high percentage of Turkish, Thracian, Albanian etc Hodgepodge of Haplo groups "Serbs" are. The highest percentage "Serbs" have is Croatian genes Haplo group H1 at 23% the original Europeans. Croatians have over 80% H1 [link] and our decedents the Scandinavian country's next highest H1. Who spent the last Ice Age in Croatia and Bosnia and moved north after the Ice Sheets retreated.
(Lenard, 26 May 2016 10:26)

So with all this superiority over Serbs you have not managed to form your own language but speak Serbian nor did you have your own special writing but had to use the Serbian Cyrillic alphabet. Love Croats they are so full of BS.
Looking forward to reading about Atlantis the lost Croat empire LOL.

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Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

I dont know if you should call out on someone for being a Nazi vassal. Specially since Serbia under Milan Nedic accepted Nazi occupation officially and pledged loyalty to the Wehrmacht to then proudly proclaim Beograd as the first "Jew Free" Capital in Europe.

What an achievment! You must be proud.
(Gjon Marku, 26 May 2016 00:11)

No Serbs did not accept occupation, Serbs organized not one but two anti-fascist resistance groups. I know why it's in your interest to relativize WWII to put Serbs on equal footing with the collaborators but nothing doing. Even Israel's Prime Minister once said Serbia is the only country in the region that has nothing to be ashamed of when it comes to WWII.

Now were there individual collaborators? Of course, Serbia has been dealing with internal traitors since forever. There were also Jews that served in the Nazis too, Armenians that served for the Ottomans etc etc.

But when it comes to who resisted Hitler in the greatest number, Serbs by far. Who suffered from Nazi aggression the most? Serbs by far https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_persecution_of_Serbs Who served Hitler the strongest? Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians.

So yes very proud of Serbia's resistance just like you're ashamed of your nations' role so you try to equalize all of our roles, but the facts don't agree.

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LOL

pre 7 godina

croats are germanized slavs, their little attack poodles.
(Nikola, 25 May 2016 18:17)

No those are Slovenes. Croats can only wish to be that evolved. They're actually Persians. Don't call them Slavs. Even though they speak Slavic and have adopted all sorts of Slavic customs and mannerisms.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

But when it comes to who resisted Hitler in the greatest number, Serbs by far. Who suffered from Nazi aggression the most? Serbs by far [link] Who served Hitler the strongest? Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians.
(Ari Gold, 26 May 2016 16:17)

Sure, there were some Albanians who, similarly to some Serbs served Hitler.

But Albania, similarly to Serbia, was not considered part of the Axis during WW2.

So, I'm not really sure what you're trying to say!

Are you trying to say that collaborators of Hitler were good if they were Serbian, but bad if they were Albanian?! :)

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icj1

pre 7 godina

More misrepresentations from the deceitful and lying icj:

icj attributes this statement (out of context again, of course) to me:

June 4 “signing the Pact one would be led to believe that the Serbs were Nazi collaborators.”
(njegos, 6 June 2016 16:01)

Sorry, but whom else attribute it?! You were the one who wrote that. For myself, I wrote, that Yugoslavia was not considered part of the Axis and that just because somebody collaborated with the Nazis, does not make Serbs Nazi supporters. So, I was very clear that I did not consider either Yugoslavia or the Serbs Nazi collaborators.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Well Croatia did have concentration camps for Serbian kids (the only country in the world that did that), so this is not a surprise.
(Julia, 26 May 2016 22:11)

Well, it appears that Croatia was not alone. Serbia too did have concentration camps such as the Banjica concentration camp.

So, are you trying to say that a concentration camp was bad if Croatia had it, but it was good if Serbia had it?!

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From Gjon: "Nedic is not fiction. It happened."

Yes it did happen, but put it in its proper context instead of irresponsibly trying to equate it with Albanian, Ustasha, Muslim, etc. collaboration.

Nedic was implemented by the Nazis after they had bombed Belgrade because the Serbs defied Hitler and chose to resist the Nazis against insurmountable odds. What kind of resistance did the Albanians put up when fascist Italy controlled them? What kind of resistance did Croatia put up when Hitler marched into Zagreb? What resistance did the Muslims of Bosnia put up when the Ustasha seized control of large parts of B-H? You know the answer Gjon, NONE! All of the above mentioned embraced the Nazis.

Hey Gjon, how many of your relatives were part of Balli Kombetar? Please be honest. Tell the b92 audience of their honorable exploits. You're a joke.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Here is what I said in full and proper context:

"You stated that the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before a shot was fired. And because of this, the Serbs had no moral high ground to stand on relative to their neighbors. You also implied that the Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors. Had this been where the story ends, your statements would have been fine. However, you intentionally left out the fact that 2 days after the Pact was signed, the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. and chose to fight the Nazis. As a result, Belgrade was bombed to pieces. How many bombs fell on Zagreb, Sarajevo or Tirana? None, because there was no resistance in those places to speak of. Why did Hitler put forth the edict that for every German killed, 100 Serbs would be killed and for every German wounded, 50 Serbs would die?"

Nice try icj. Unfortunately for you I can cut & paste too. There have been a lot snakes on this board in the past, but I must say you have taken it to a new low. Congratulations!
(njegos, 6 June 2016 15:49)

Thx for confirming what I said mate that you were the one who wrote “Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors" (2nd and 3rd line of your own quote) lol

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J.c reynolds

pre 7 godina

Croats live in a small country, that is soaked in Serb, Jew, Roma blood. Their story is written in the history books in English for all of you to read. There is no denial, the truth cannot be buried for ever. I for one will never set foot in this land as these people are bred to hate from birth. May all those innocent women , children , and men murdered by the Ustashe Croats rest in peace. As one survivor from the camps a jew , he said if their is a god , he will have to beg me for forgiveness that he allowed such barbarity and wickedness to happen.

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Who's your daddy???

pre 7 godina

I wouldn't put it past Serbs or Lily Lynch to put the sticker up. Serbs always looking for pathetic sympathies even if they have to manufacture some. Sticker not even written in Croatian but English some one should investigate Lily. Like as if any one cares about Serbs or Serbia in Croatia. Except the Serbs/Serbia are perpetually stuck on Croatia please Serbs get a normal life. Stop being the perpetual asses of the Balkans Serbs.
(Lenard, 25 May 2016 10:13)

I love it when you talk like that. Too bad its gotta come out, eh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVUn08dwyaw

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

Like as if any one cares about Serbs or Serbia in Croatia. Except the Serbs/Serbia are perpetually stuck on Croatia please Serbs get a normal life.
(Lenard, 25 May 2016 10:13)

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Isn't there at least one "perpetual" Croat reader/ commentator on the B92 site?

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njegos

pre 7 godina

Hey icj, read Julia's comments again, and this time pay attention. She said Croatia was the only country that had concentration camps for children, which is correct. Your feeble attempt to equate Serb crimes with that of the Ustasha falls far short of the mark.

Croatia welcomed the Nazis into Zagreb with a parade. They embraced Hitler. Conversely, the Serbs resisted the Nazis and for that Belgrade was bombed unmercifully. After Hitler occupied Serbia the Nedic gov't. was implemented, while the official Serbian gov't. in exile continued to resist the Nazis, read Chetniks. Your shameful attempt to equate the two either demonstrates your lack of knowledge of the era or your stupidity, which is it?

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Well Croatia did have concentration camps for Serbian kids (the only country in the world that did that), so this is not a surprise.
(Julia, 26 May 2016 22:11)

Well, it appears that Croatia was not alone. Serbia too did have concentration camps such as the Banjica concentration camp.

So, are you trying to say that a concentration camp was bad if Croatia had it, but it was good if Serbia had it?!
(icj1, 28 May 2016 21:26)

Your feeble attempt to equate Serb crimes with that of the Ustasha falls far short of the mark.
(njegos, 30 May 2016 15:46)

Mate, I just pointed out that there were concentration camps in Serbia, like in Croatia. If you want to equate or not equate, that is your business. However, I did not say that Serbs committed crimes. There were some Serbs (similarly to some Croats) that helped Hitler run concentration camps. But that does not make the Serb (or the Croat people) Nazi collaborators. Not sure why you want to relate the crimes of a few with the Serb people!!!

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icj1

pre 7 godina

What kind of resistance did Croatia put up when Hitler marched into Zagreb?
(njegos, 30 May 2016 16:01)

The Yugoslav armed forces tried to protect Zagreb, like they tried to protect Belgrade and the rest of the country. When the Yugoslav government surrendered to the Nazis, the Yugoslav armed forces stopped fighting in Croatia, like they stopped fighting in Serbia and in the rest of Yugoslavia. Not sure why you wanted the Yugoslav armed forces to continue fighting in Croatia only!

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Nedic was implemented by the Nazis after they had bombed Belgrade because the Serbs defied Hitler and chose to resist the Nazis against insurmountable odds.
(njegos, 30 May 2016 16:01)

That’s why Yugoslavia’s government (its Serb prime minister) signed the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired?! Yugoslavia’s government (together with Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania) were the only sovereign (i.e. non puppet) governments in Europe which signed the Tripartite Pact (with Germany, Italy and Japan) while their countries were not occupied by the Axis powers. So, Yugoslavia has no moral high ground, at all. In comparison, sure NDH signed the Tripartite Pact, too. But the NDH was not a sovereign state and Croatia was occupied by the Nazis at the time.
(icj1, 31 May 2016 19:19)

Wrong!

Your shameful historical revisionism is absurd.
(njegos, 1 June 2016 13:52)

"Wrong" because you don't like it?! The fact that NDH was not a sovereign state was established beyond reasonable doubt by the Nuremeberg Trials in "The United States of America v. Wilhelm List, et al.". You screaming "wrong" cannot change that fact since you are a nobody compared to the Nuremberg Tribunals. The Tribunal also established that in setting up the Croatian government, the Germans, established an administration with Ante Pavelitch
at its head, even though his group represented only an estimated 5% of the population of the country.

That is facts, not like the "myths" in your head!

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icj1

pre 7 godina

From our friend icj: "That’s why Yugoslavia’s government (its Serb prime minister) signed the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired?! Yugoslavia’s government (together with Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania) were the only sovereign (i.e. non puppet) governments in Europe which signed the Tripartite Pact (with Germany, Italy and Japan) while their countries were not occupied by the Axis powers. So, Yugoslavia has no moral high ground, at all. In comparison, sure NDH signed the Tripartite Pact, too. But the NDH was not a sovereign state and Croatia was occupied by the Nazis at the time.

Wrong yet again icj!
(njegos, 1 June 2016 14:15)

What's wrong?!!! Didn't Yugoslavia sign the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired?
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What happened 2 days after the Serb prime minister signed the Tripartite Pact?
(njegos, 1 June 2016 14:15)

It was overthrown by a coup, and the new government continued to adhere to the signature, just asking for additional terms before ratification.

My point is that Yugoslavia has no higher moral ground than Albania or others that were not part of the Axis. If anything, Yugoslavia has lower moral ground (if you want to play the comparative game), because it signed the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired. Excellent example of cowardice! Other "governments" signed it under Nazi occupation (except for Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania).

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icj1

pre 7 godina

From icj: "Mate, I just pointed out that there were concentration camps in Serbia, like in Croatia. If you want to equate or not equate, that is your business.

Let's see icj, you mention above that there were concentration camps in Serbia, like in Croatia, but you're not comparing right? Fact is, they were nothing like the concentration camps in Croatia as you CLEARLY state above. If you'd like I can cut and paste German officer accounts of what went on at Jasenovac and the other Ustasha concentration camps. Just let me know. I'm always willing to help bring people like you up to speed with facts and proper context on subjects in which they are deficient. A mind is a terrible thing to waste, you know.
(njegos, 1 June 2016 14:43)

Please do the copying and pasting, but not sure what you are trying to achieve. I'm the first to say that Serbs suffered during WW2, like did many other European nations. You are just going to provide evidence for things that I'm saying lol

But if you have evidence that concentration camps were good if they were in Serbia, but bad if they were in Crotia, please feel free to bring those facts to light!

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icj1

pre 7 godina

icj - Any writer worth their salt knows that if the entire story isn't told, the meaning can be drastically altered. This tactic is employed when the writer wishes to mislead or the author simply doesn't know the full story. In your case, I believe the former applies.
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

If the argument in support of that is because you believe it, it can safely be ignored given that few things that you believe, if any, turn out to be correct :)
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You stated that the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before a shot was fired.And because of this, the Serbs had no moral high ground to stand on relative to their neighbors.
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

I did not want to play comparative games, but since you were insisting...
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You also implied that the Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors.
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

No, you are implying that. Instead I'm putting things in context (as you suggested earlier). Just because Nedic collaborated with the Nazis, that does not make Serbs Nazi supporters. Also, just because the Albanian or the Pavelitch puppet governments collaborated with the Fascists/Nazis, does not make the Albanians or Croats Nazi collaborators (and I even provided you the proof for that). Context applies to everybody, not just to the Serbs.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

However, you intentionally left out the fact that 2 days after the Pact was signed, the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. and chose to fight the Nazis.
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

Well, the signing, even for 1 second, is worse than not signing at all. The fact remains that Yugoslavia, in a cowardly fashion, signed the tripartite part without a shot being fired and while not under Nazi occupation. Other non-Axis countries did not do that. Only Yugoslavia did that. Is there anything factually incorrect in what I wrote?

By the way, the Yugoslav armed forces that fought the Nazis were not Serbs only. It’s this logic of Yugoslavia = Serbia that ultimately doomed Yugoslavia.
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As a result, Belgrade was bombed to pieces. How many bombs fell on Zagreb, Sarajevo or Tirana?
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

Mate, Belgrade was the capital of Yugoslavia, whereas Zagreb and Sarajevo were not. If you wanted Belgrade bombed less, you should have made Zagreb or Sarajevo the capital of Yugoslavia. But, anyway, tell me the count of bombs in Belgrade and I'll tell you the count of bombs in the other places :)
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None
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

Evidence?

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Why did Hitler put forth the edict that for every German killed, 100 Serbs would be killed and for every German wounded, 50 Serbs would die?
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

Because Hitler and his top commanders were war criminals who committed war crimes in all countries that Germany occupied. Otherwise, few people, if any, would have been convicted at the Nuremberg.
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Your hatred for the Serbs has rendered your comments irresponsible and revisionist.
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

Where did I say that I hate Serbs?! What did I revise?! To the contrary, I wrote that I’m the first to say that Serbs suffered during WW2. But, the suffering of Serbs during WW2 does not mean that everybody else was a Nazi collaborator. Does saying that make me a Serb hater?!
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Try as you may to smear the Serbs, there will always be someone out there to correct your half-truths.
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

Well, you did not find anything that I wrote that was incorrect, so there is nothing to correct, in the first place :)
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You, my friend are a boob and not worth another minute of my time.
(njegos, 3 June 2016 01:50)

It does not matter how much time you spend writing nonsense; facts are stubborn. So, that’s a wise decision of yours for finally coming to that realisation that it's not worth your time trying to fight facts lol

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icj1

pre 7 godina

If anything, Yugoslavia has lower moral ground (if you want to play the comparative game), because it signed the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired. Excellent example of cowardice! Other "governments" signed it under Nazi occupation (except for Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania).
(icj1, 2 June 2016 18:57)

Perfect example of icj only telling part of the story. If the story ended with the Yugslav gov't. signing the Pact one would be led to believe that the Serbs were Nazi supporters as icj implies.
(njegos, 4 June 2016 16:26)

I did not imply that, you are implying that. I'm not sure why, for some perverse reason, you are trying, more than once now, to imply that Serbs were Nazi supporters!!!

Instead, I wrote the following, and I quote:

"Serbia, was not considered part of the Axis during WW2"

"I'm the first to say that Serbs suffered during WW2"

"Just because Nedic collaborated with the Nazis, that does not make Serbs Nazi supporters"

As for how the story ended, I mentioned it already. As you suggested, things were put in proper context after WW2 and only Bulgaria, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Italy and Romania were considered as Axis powers in Europe. The rest, Albania included, were considered victors and even got reparations of war.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

I'm not sure why, for some perverse reason, you are trying, more than once now, to imply that Serbs were Nazi supporters!!!
(icj1, 5 June 2016 01:10)

False yet again. Now we can add 'liar' to the list of adjectives used to describe icj.
(njegos, 5 June 2016 14:30)

Well, a certain “njegos” wrote the following:

3 June 2016 01:50
“Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors”

4 June 2016 16:26
“signing the Pact one would be led to believe that the Serbs were Nazi supporters”

I’m assuming you are the same “njegos” as the one who wrote the above
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Funny how you say Serbs had a lower moral ground to stand on because the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before being occupied.
(njegos, 5 June 2016 14:30)

No, I did not say “Serbs had a lower moral ground”. You are saying that…
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Why do you paint the Serbs with such a broad brush based on the signature of one man when the overwhelmingly majority decided to defy the Nazis and stage a resistance?
(njegos, 5 June 2016 14:30)

No, I did not paint the Serbs with such a broad brush – you are doing that, and more than once now. Indeed, I said that things were put in proper context after WW2 and only Bulgaria, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Italy and Romania were considered as Axis powers in Europe. Also, I explicitly distinguished that acts of a few who collaborated with the Nazis from the Serb, Albanian, Croat or other people who were not part of the Axis.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

My full quote can be found below. This is evidence that icj intentionally deleted relevant portions of the quote out of context to alter the meaning.
"You stated that the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before a shot was fired. And because of this, the Serbs had no moral high ground to stand on relative to their neighbors. You also implied that the Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors. Had this been where the story ends, your statements would have been fine. However, you intentionally left out the fact that 2 days after the Pact was signed, the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. and chose to fight the Nazis. As a result, Belgrade was bombed to pieces.”
(njegos, 9 June 2016 22:47)

Thx for providing the evidence, again, that you implied that the Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors.
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My bet is that icj got beat up a lot as a youngster.
(njegos, 9 June 2016 22:47)

Well, just because that might have been your experience as a youngster, it does not necessarily mean that all contributors in these forums have had the same experience. We can discuss your life as a youngster if you wish, but not sure it will do anything to increase or decrease the validity of your arguments!

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icj1

pre 7 godina

As I said before, be glad you have a computer to hide behind.
(njegos, 9 June 2016 22:47)

I don’t feel any special about it since everybody in these forums, you included, have the same privilege!
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Now that you’ve been completely discredited, get lost punk. If you wish to address me in the future, please go back and answer the questions that I asked of you before returning. On second thought, just get lost. LMAOAY!!!!
(njegos, 9 June 2016 22:47)

Well, yeah, you succeeded in discrediting yourself as being a Serb hater. However, if you have any questions you still need help with, I’m be more than happy to assist.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

From Gjon: "Nedic is not fiction. It happened."

Yes it did happen, but put it in its proper context instead of irresponsibly trying to equate it with Albanian, Ustasha, Muslim, etc. collaboration.
(njegos, 30 May 2016 16:01)

Exactly. That’s why things were put in proper context after WW2 and only Bulgaria, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Italy and Romania were considered as Axis powers in Europe. The rest, Albania included, were considered victors and even got reparations of war.
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Nedic was implemented by the Nazis after they had bombed Belgrade because the Serbs defied Hitler and chose to resist the Nazis against insurmountable odds.
(njegos, 30 May 2016 16:01)

That’s why Yugoslavia’s government (its Serb prime minister) signed the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired?! Yugoslavia’s government (together with Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania) were the only sovereign (i.e. non puppet) governments in Europe which signed the Tripartite Pact (with Germany, Italy and Japan) while their countries were not occupied by the Axis powers. So, Yugoslavia has no moral high ground, at all. In comparison, sure NDH signed the Tripartite Pact, too. But the NDH was not a sovereign state and Croatia was occupied by the Nazis at the time.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj: "But the NDH was not a sovereign state and Croatia was occupied by the Nazis at the time."

Wrong! The Croatians welcomed Hitler into Zagreb with a parade. There was no occupation. There was no resistance. The only resistance to the Nazis in Croatia came from the Serb Chetniks of the Krajina. Much later Tito's Partizans were formed consisting of Serbs and Croats who didn't provide any meaningful resistance until the US & Britain began supporting them. Your shameful historical revisionism is absurd.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From our friend icj: "That’s why Yugoslavia’s government (its Serb prime minister) signed the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired?! Yugoslavia’s government (together with Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania) were the only sovereign (i.e. non puppet) governments in Europe which signed the Tripartite Pact (with Germany, Italy and Japan) while their countries were not occupied by the Axis powers. So, Yugoslavia has no moral high ground, at all. In comparison, sure NDH signed the Tripartite Pact, too. But the NDH was not a sovereign state and Croatia was occupied by the Nazis at the time.

Wrong yet again icj! What happened 2 days after the Serb prime minister signed the Tripartite Pact? Since you seem to have memory loss, I'll be glad to tell you. The Serbian people staged a coup and overthrew the gov't. and chose to fight the Nazis even though they were surrounded by those who had already signed the pact. Winston Churchill commented that the Serbian people had found their soul. Conversely, all of Yugoslavia's neighbors, except Greece, willfully supported the Axis. So yes, the Serb people do have moral high ground to stand on in comparison to their neighbors including the Croats, Albanians and Muslims of Yugoslavia who embraced the Nazis. How do you live with yourself?

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj: "Mate, I just pointed out that there were concentration camps in Serbia, like in Croatia. If you want to equate or not equate, that is your business.

Let's see icj, you mention above that there were concentration camps in Serbia, like in Croatia, but you're not comparing right? Fact is, they were nothing like the concentration camps in Croatia as you CLEARLY state above. If you'd like I can cut and paste German officer accounts of what went on at Jasenovac and the other Ustasha concentration camps. Just let me know. I'm always willing to help bring people like you up to speed with facts and proper context on subjects in which they are deficient. A mind is a terrible thing to waste, you know.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

icj - Any writer worth their salt knows that if the entire story isn't told, the meaning can be drastically altered. This tactic is employed when the writer wishes to mislead or the author simply doesn't know the full story. In your case, I believe the former applies.

You stated that the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before a shot was fired. And because of this, the Serbs had no moral high ground to stand on relative to their neighbors. You also implied that the Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors. Had this been where the story ends, your statements would have been fine. However, you intentionally left out the fact that 2 days after the Pact was signed, the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. and chose to fight the Nazis. As a result, Belgrade was bombed to pieces. How many bombs fell on Zagreb, Sarajevo or Tirana? None, because there was no resistance in those places to speak of. Why did Hitler put forth the edict that for every German killed, 100 Serbs would be killed and for every German wounded, 50 Serbs would die?

Your hatred for the Serbs has rendered your comments irresponsible and revisionist. Try as you may to smear the Serbs, there will always be someone out there to correct your half-truths. You, my friend are a boob and not worth another minute of my time.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj: "... If anything, Yugoslavia has lower moral ground (if you want to play the comparative game), because it signed the Tripartite Pact without a shot being fired. Excellent example of cowardice!"

Perfect example of icj only telling part of the story. If the story ended with the Yugslav gov't. signing the Pact one would be led to believe that the Serbs were Nazi supporters as icj implies. Tell us icj, why did you stop your history lesson with the signing of the Pact? Why didn't you state that the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. 2 days later and chose to fight the Nazis? Oh that's right, the complete story doesn't fit your anti-Serb narrative.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

FROM ICJ: "... for some perverse reason, you are trying, more than once now, to imply that Serbs were Nazi supporters!!!"

False yet again. Now we can add 'liar' to the list of adjectives used to describe icj.

Funny how you say Serbs had a lower moral ground to stand on because the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before being occupied. It seems to me that the gov't. was made up of more than just Serbs and although the person that signed the Pact was a Serb, he was only one person and obviously differed with the Serb masses as he was ousted 2 days later by Serbs! Why do you paint the Serbs with such a broad brush based on the signature of one man when the overwhelmingly majority decided to defy the Nazis and stage a resistance? Just another example of icj playing his/her anti-Serb games. You are pitiful.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

Well, the deceitful, misleading and lying icj is at it again. This time icj, attributes the following comments to me after cutting & pasting pieces of them out of context to change the meaning of the narratives to intentionally mislead the reader.

3 June 2016 01:50
“Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors."

Here is what I said in full and proper context:

"You stated that the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before a shot was fired. And because of this, the Serbs had no moral high ground to stand on relative to their neighbors. You also implied that the Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors. Had this been where the story ends, your statements would have been fine. However, you intentionally left out the fact that 2 days after the Pact was signed, the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. and chose to fight the Nazis. As a result, Belgrade was bombed to pieces. How many bombs fell on Zagreb, Sarajevo or Tirana? None, because there was no resistance in those places to speak of. Why did Hitler put forth the edict that for every German killed, 100 Serbs would be killed and for every German wounded, 50 Serbs would die?"

Nice try icj. Unfortunately for you I can cut & paste too. There have been a lot snakes on this board in the past, but I must say you have taken it to a new low. Congratulations!

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njegos

pre 7 godina

More misrepresentations from the deceitful and lying icj:

icj attributes this statement (out of context again, of course) to me:

June 4 “signing the Pact one would be led to believe that the Serbs were Nazi collaborators.”

Here is the full comment in it's complete and proper context:

"If the story ended with the Yugslav gov't. signing the Pact one would be led to believe that the Serbs were Nazi supporters as icj implies. Tell us icj, why did you stop your history lesson with the signing of the Pact? Why didn't you state that the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. 2 days later and chose to fight the Nazis? Oh that's right, the complete story doesn't fit your anti-Serb narrative."

Yet another example of the snake of the forum, icj, cutting and pasting in an attempt to change the meaning to intentionally mislead the reader. Keep up the good work icj. You have been exposed for the fraud that you are. HAHAHA! What will you come up with next? I can only guess. LMAO!!

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njegos

pre 7 godina

When I asked icj why Zagreb, Sarajevo or Tirana weren't bombed by the Nazis, here was his/her reply: "Mate, Belgrade was the capital of Yugoslavia, whereas Zagreb and Sarajevo were not. If you wanted Belgrade bombed less, you should have made Zagreb or Sarajevo the capital of Yugoslavia..."

How utterly ridiculous. Please explain why these cities, none of which were capitals were bombed by the Nazis: Leningrad, Stalingrad, Odessa, Kiev, Minsk, Murmansk, Rotterdam, Antwerp, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Manchester, Glasgow, Liverpool & Belfast.

Your argument falls apart yet again icj. Please stop parading yourself as some sort of WWII historian when you can't even be honest about the basics. The reason Zagreb, Sarajevo & Tirana weren't bombed by the Nazis was, as most people know, there were large populations supporting the Nazis in these cities.

Again, you have been exposed for the fraud that you are. This is too easy!

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj (the snake): "Thx for confirming what I said mate that you were the one who wrote “Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors" (2nd and 3rd line of your own quote) lol"

Thanks for confirming that you cut & pasted only a piece of my comments to intentionally try to change the meaning. And thanks for confirming that you intentionally printed the comment out of context to intentionally mislead the readers. And thanks for demonstrating once again that you are a fraud and a clown. Be glad you are able to hide behind a keyboard.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Thx for confirming what I said mate that you were the one who wrote “Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors" (2nd and 3rd line of your own quote) lol
(icj1, 6 June 2016 21:17)

Thanks for confirming that you cut & pasted
(njegos, 6 June 2016 23:20)

You are welcome! If you need any more confirmations that I just quoted you, let me know....
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Be glad you are able to hide behind a keyboard.
(njegos, 6 June 2016 23:20)

Not glad at all since it's nothing special. Me, you and everybody else here is hiding behind a keyboard, no?

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj (the snake): “Thx for confirming what I said mate that you were the one who wrote “Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors" (2nd and 3rd line of your own quote) lol “
My full quote can be found below. This is evidence that icj intentionally deleted relevant portions of the quote out of context to alter the meaning.
"You stated that the Yugoslav gov't. signed the Tripartite Pact before a shot was fired. And because of this, the Serbs had no moral high ground to stand on relative to their neighbors. You also implied that the Serbs were as much or more Nazi supporters than their neighbors. Had this been where the story ends, your statements would have been fine. However, you intentionally left out the fact that 2 days after the Pact was signed, the Serb masses overthrew the gov't. and chose to fight the Nazis. As a result, Belgrade was bombed to pieces.”
I’ve debated with some low-lifes on this board in the past, but this is the first time that anyone has stooped to this level. Take your beating like a man or woman, whatever you are, but don’t alter your opponent’s sentences to suit your narrative. My bet is that icj got beat up a lot as a youngster. As I said before, be glad you have a computer to hide behind.
Now that you’ve been completely discredited, get lost punk. If you wish to address me in the future, please go back and answer the questions that I asked of you before returning. On second thought, just get lost. LMAOAY!!!!

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