Russia "to respond proportionately" to NATO's latest moves

Let's suppose Russia were to become a member of NATO then there would no reason for NATO's existence. Russia can stop worrying and we can all focus on real issues that are threatening us like Global warming, currently the biggest problem facing humanity.

Russia has never equated to the strength of NATO. Therefore, you can't say Russia will apply proportionate response.

Proportionate response would be reversing Montenegros NATO accession. We all know that will not happen.

Russia is going to do what they always do. Absolutely nothing. If they wouldnt have Nuclear Power and a Seat in the UN Security Council, we would forget it exists.

Irrelevant.

Rote, you're so full of hate I almost feel sorry for you. In case you're not already in Russia you should go and live there. You two deserve each other.
People have opinions. You don't like them then move on and keep your hate and spiteful rhetoric to yourself.
FYI. I like living in 'the west'. I like the opportunities and freedom it offers. Now hate me for it, because, apparently, those are all the feelings you can muster.

Stupid to pity a people that is happy about it's government - don't you find? So don't waste your time waiting for Russia to collapse or surrender. But be sure rather sooner than later Russia'll be back to the Bal Khans.
(rote, 22 May 2016 07:30)

Why would I want Russia to collapse? I dont wish for the people to suffer more. Russia needs Reforms and the Reforms are coming. Wether you like it or not. I`ve been to Moscow last year and I`ve visted Saint Petersburg few years ago. I wouldnt be surprised if I know more Russians than you, poser. The only people saying that they are happy with the Government are Nationalists and Ignorants. Russia is in a bad shape because EU does not depend on Russian Oil and Gas as much as we used to. Prices are on a all time low and Russia missed the chance to re-shape its industry.

You can clearly see that the russian society is leaning to western lifestyle. You have McDonalds, German Cars, US TV-Shows. Even Greygoose Vodka from France is more desirable than local Vodka... Western Culture is far more appealing. Ordinary Russians dont give a shit about the Balkans or the Soviet Union.

The picture of Russia you try to paint here exists only in the history books. Russia wont return to the balkans for one reason. You have nothing to offer.

"She told a news conference of backstage deals with Montenegro’s top officials in defiance of the opinion of the country’s people and in bypass of the democratic principles and procedures NATO"

Joke of the year so far Russia talking about bypassing people :) sure!!!

No Adriatic Sea port for you Russia is the name of this move!!! What will you do use Serbs in Montenegro to try and stop it wont work!!!

Question: If there are so many Serbs in Montenegro why did they choose to split from Serbia?

Factman : America is not Serbia's enemy.

What else is America if not your mortal enemy?


Bilbao: No Adriatic Sea port for you Russia is the name of this move!!!

не делай нам мозг шкиптарская макака! Concerning a port in our Adriatic I have to refrain Putin who once said от мертвого осла уши ты у меня получишь, а не Шарапова. It means that броня крепка и танки наши быстры ! I pity you each time you wipe your tears with your pants. ВЕРНИСЬ, НЕСЧАСТНАЯ – ТВОИ ТРУСЫ НАШЛИСЬ!


Bob: Russia likes to behave as if paranoid as a cover for expanding 'influence' by impositional means … so Russia's historical fears, although real, are not a sufficient justification for the paranoia. … Russia wanted to rule the world …

AFTER YOUR COMMENT I’VE GOT TO REALIZE WHY THE MUSLIMS EAT NO PORK.


Guest : Russia has never equated to the strength of NATO. Therefore, you can't say Russia will apply proportionate response.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQDHCyFe2rY


Dreamer: suppose Russia were to become a member of NATO


Let’s dream together and suggest that NATO will become member of Russia. We'll switch off our missiles not to turn you all into dust and “focus on real issues that are threatening us” ... and you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Bk3RzLD0s


Gjon Marku: If they wouldnt have Nuclear Power and a Seat in the UN SC

Если бы у бабки был х-й, она бы дедом была …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTuRG1R6O3Q

It simply means that Russia will now go and do something proportional in Azerbaijan. Or some other place where oil and gas are controlled.

Serbia should stay out of it and be friends with both.

America is not Serbia's enemy.

This does not mean you can't do things your own way... or that you need to join NATO. Or that you need to play the shadowy EU game.

Be friends, but do your own thing.

For Russia it's an issue of perception and deception.

Russia likes to behave as if paranoid as a cover for expanding 'influence' by impositional means.

NATO isn't the play thing of a megalomaniac, so Russia's historical fears, although real, are not a sufficient justification for the paranoia.

Under the commies, Russia wanted to rule the world and certainly stomped on Eastern Europe.

Putin longs for those 'good old days'. NATO buffered against the commies, and is the best buffer there is for the future.

Of course Russia doesn't like it. Tough luck. That's how it's going to be - but it is a peace-based solution that has worked successfully for sixty-odd years.

Russia is going to do what they always do. Absolutely nothing. If they wouldnt have Nuclear Power and a Seat in the UN Security Council, we would forget it exists.

Irrelevant.
(Gjon Marku, 20 May 2016 18:10)

To Gjon,
Meanwhile the whole world will always hold its breath and wait for Russian's response!.
Don't forget Russia and China is only a 1 handful of countries that have both nuclear weapons and a main seat in United Nations,so that is a BIG DEAL,otherwise on every countries news their is always articles on RUSSIA Business and movement.
So it does exist and alot of countries are concern about RUSSIA and CHINA.
PS You are too,involved with your Islamic state ,not to notice the BIG picture (Russia and China).

So it does exist and alot of countries are concern about RUSSIA.
(sasa.p from near Jagodina, 2016 13:17)

Yes you got that right. A lot of countries are concerned about a piss poor country ruled by a dispot keeps playing with the red button. A street dog whos got nothing to loose can only show his teeth.

Russia is closer to northkorea and ISIS than to the civilized world. I feel pity for the people.

Respond proportionately? What hypocrites these people are!
If we're going to respond proportionately, why are Ukrainians not occupying Russia and killing Russian children? Why are Syrians not bombing Russia? Why are we not taking Russian companies for less than their market value?

Meanwhile the whole world will always hold its breath and wait for Russian's response!.
(sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia, 21 May 2016 13:17)

Is this "world" the head of a certain "sasa.p from near Jagodina"?! Just asking because other than you, you'd find few people, if any, who always hold their breath and wait for Russian's response lol

Geostrategy is a chess game. One guy moves, then the other guy moves. One guy moves in Montenegro, the other guy moves on the North Pole.

This was a loss of influence, not a loss of some great port. Montenegro and her neighbors mean almost nothing in the general scheme of the world and where the power and money are.

The ports that matter are where the oil is. Where future trade is. Where large young population center are.
(factman, 21 May 2016 05:04)

So you are saying that the North Pole matters more because that's where the large young population center is?
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As long as the West is addicted to oil, then they hold very significant cards in their hands and can apply proportinzte pressure very easily in Azerbaijan by arming the Armenians and cutting off access to Caspian oil to the West. Don't kid yourself. It's a very real possibility.
(factman, 21 May 2016 04:54)

Sure... and the West will buy oil from somewhere else. So not sure what your point is :) You seldom seem to have a point lol

In reality this means, nothing.

Guest: Russia has never equated to the strength of NATO. Therefore, you can't say Russia will apply proportionate response.

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This comment is illogical.

NATO is composed of 27 countries. And Russia is but one.

The point is Mutually Assured Destruction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

And that means that it most certainly does equate.

They can blow everyone else off the face of the planet.

End of story.

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As long as the West is addicted to oil, then they hold very significant cards in their hands and can apply proportinzte pressure very easily in Azerbaijan by arming the Armenians and cutting off access to Caspian oil to the West. Don't kid yourself. It's a very real possibility.

Some dude below wrote: No Adriatic Sea port for you Russia is the name of this move!!! What will you do use Serbs in Montenegro to try and stop it wont work!!!

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Do you really think a port on the Adriatic is important in the general scheme of things?

Do you think if they had that port they could have done something big with it?

Geostrategy is a chess game. One guy moves, then the other guy moves. One guy moves in Montenegro, the other guy moves on the North Pole. You see, the world is a big place... and you can't be everywhere all at once. If you get bogged down in one area, you can't act in another area.

This was a loss of influence, not a loss of some great port. Montenegro and her neighbors mean almost nothing in the general scheme of the world and where the power and money are.

The ports that matter are where the oil is. Where future trade is. Where large young population center are. Not where decaying Europe ages and dies little by little.

RUSSOPHOBES ABOUT RUSSIANS


Friedrich-2 the Great : Killing a Russian soldier is not enough as you have to also tumble him down to the ground.


Gjon Marku : A street dog whos got nothing to loose can only show his teeth.


Joseph Goebbels : The persistence, with which the Bolsheviks defended in the pillboxes in Sevastopol, akin to a certain animal instinct, and it would be a profound mistake to regard it as a result of the Bolshevik beliefs or upbringing. Russian has always been so and likely always will remain"

They don't sound too irrelevant to me.

Russia is a great nation. Always was and always will be.
(factman, 22 May 2016 21:23)

All you need to know about Russia is this.

EU is the biggest trading partner for Russia. 60% of Russian trade is made with the EU. From an EU point of view Russian trade makes only about 8%. Even you should be able to understand what that means.

Russia is irrelevant.

(Gjon Marku, 23 May 2016 10:03)

One major problem with your theory. The trade is the EU selling agricultural products, cars, equipment, clothing etc all of which can easily be replaced from non-EU countries.
Its more like the EU is suffering not Russia, but if you want to hurt Russia then you can suggest to Brussels to stop buying Russian energy. If you have never seen an economic collapse on the size of Europe you will then see one.
The former Greek finance minister, Yanis Varoufakis was interviewed on the Australian Broadcast Corporation last Friday. He stated that the EU is in a Depression with Italy, Spain and France now very close to Greek financial situation.
So now we have Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Greece, France and Italy all in trouble.

What factman is saying is that the North Pole is the newest area for oil discovery and Russia has a big head start on everyone. You should read some other websites instead of just this one. The problem is that I dont know if that will help you, because your next comment is even more idiotic. Where exactly will the West buy oil and gas since the greatest source is the Caspian? Maybe you havent read the newspaper for the past 3 decades and relized where all the proposed pipelines are coming from? Please let us know from whom they will buy since upwards of 40% reliance in Western Europe.

adrian_bucharest

LEAVE YOUR DIDACTIC TONE AS ROMANIA IS A FAILED STATE. SO YOU ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO GIVE ADVICE. ESPESSIALLY NOW THAT YOU MADE YOURSEF A TARGET FOR THE RUSSIAN NUKES. PLEASE DON'T TELL ME ABOUT YOUR 500 EURO SALARIES.

Rote:

Yes, America is Serbia's friend. I'll tel you another one. It is also Russia's friend. And Russia is America's friend. You guys read too many newspapers.

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Gjon:

Russia is irrelevant? The world doesn't rely on Russian oil?

I think you are very confused.

The West relies on Russian oil and gas just as much as ever. That should not be confused with a drop in prices. Those are 2 different things. By the way, one day, the price will just go back up. That's what a business cycle is all about.

As for irrelevant? It's not a good statement.

- Nuclear Power
- Centuries controlling the largest political landmass in the world
- Holders of the largest source of raw materials in the world
- Right side on both world wars while contributing 20M dead to the cause
- Inventors of thousands of medical devices and medicines
- One of two to go to outer-space
- Masters of the underwater subterrranean world
- Thousands of Gold, silver, and Bronze medals
- Creators of their own original ecclesiastical architecture
- Writers of the worlds greatest novels
- Composers of the worlds greatest symphonies
- The world's greatest ballets
- Top 5 cinema in the world.
- Top 5 theater in the world
- Top 2 weapons producer in the world
- Un Security Council seat.

Need I go on?

They don't sound too irrelevant to me.

Russia is a great nation. Always was and always will be.

Of course Russia doesn't like it. Tough luck. That's how it's going to be - but it is a peace-based solution that has worked successfully for sixty-odd years.
(Bob, 20 May 2016 17:38

You just keep f*****g with Putin and see what happens when shit hits the fan, and it's all directed at you.

two links so that icj1 may educate himself :) lol


Russia May Already Own Much of North Pole Oil Rights
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/russia-might-own-north-pole-180956208/

Oil and Gas Rights In North Pole More Valuable Than Entire US Economy
http://www.vocativ.com/money/business/whats-the-north-pole-worth/

There's an eastern sayng

UH TA WAIIL CHEGHARA DI KAGA DA. WA DI WAIIL CHE KUM DZAI MI SAM DYI? = CAMEL WAS TOLD THAT HIS NECK WAS CROOKED. AND HE RESPONDED - WHAT PART OF ME IS STRAIGHT?

It means that there's no sence to critisize part of something if the whole object is wrong.

So is your comment.

Bilbao and Gjon:

I can intellectually accept some of your points (only some).

But you are too filled with too much of an agenda to acknowledge basic things that I write.

Too bad. Since you are not intellectually honest, we really have nothing to speak about.

Good luck in your weird little world.

Russia is a great country that has advanced civilization.

This should not offend you.

PS: Gjon, I didn't say "movies", I said "cinema" (there is a difference).

Russian Cinema: http://learnaboutfilm.com/soviet-montage/

Dreamer: Rote, you're so full of hate I almost feel sorry for you.

What hatred are you talking about? Simply read my comment that I have to place hereby again. Also I gave you a link with a good anti-nuke song with words like

How is it we can fly faster than day
But we can’t find things we need?
+
We may all be dead in a year or a day
If when the Devil is put to the test …

WHERE’S MY HATRED I ASK YOU?
COZ I'M NEVER THE FIRST TO ATTACK.

“Let’s dream together and suggest that NATO will become member of Russia. We'll switch off our missiles not to turn you all into dust and “focus on real issues that are threatening us” ... and you”

http://www.b92.net/eng/comments.php?nav_id=98065

Gjon Marku : Russia is closer to northkorea and ISIS than to the civilized world. I feel pity for the people.

Stupid to pity a people that is happy about it's government - don't you find? So don't waste your time waiting for Russia to collapse or surrender. But be sure rather sooner than later Russia'll be back to the Bal Khans.

Where exactly will the West buy oil and gas since the greatest source is the Caspian?
(obvious, 22 May 2016 01:08)

Really?! So what % of the global oil & gas supply does the Caspian account for?

Proportional does not mean equal.

A one-hundredth part is a proportion.

The things are very simple

Albania is the most twisted country from Europe

How is possible to be poor always , world wars , comunism , transition , economical boom even Kosovo in Yugoslavia was most poor

Albania and Albanias => the destiny to be poor people

Serbia => Is from worse to worse but it lived some glorious moments and exceln in some stuff things

Geostrategy is a chess game. One guy moves, then the other guy moves. One guy moves in Montenegro, the other guy moves on the North Pole.

This was a loss of influence, not a loss of some great port. Montenegro and her neighbors mean almost nothing in the general scheme of the world and where the power and money are.

The ports that matter are where the oil is. Where future trade is. Where large young population center are.
(factman, 21 May 2016 05:04)

So you are saying that the North Pole matters more because that's where the large young population center is?
(icj1, 21 May 2016 21:53)

two links so that icj1 may educate himself :) lol

Russia May Already Own Much of North Pole Oil Rights
[link]/

Oil and Gas Rights In North Pole More Valuable Than Entire US Economy
[link]/
(obvious, 22 May 2016 01:46)

Thx mate for the education... very insightful! Those links definitively show that the North Pole is where the large young population center is lol You certainly are a brilliant teacher...

Need I go on?

They don't sound too irrelevant to me.

Russia is a great nation. Always was and always will be.
(factman, 22 May 2016 21:23)

Most what you said is Not Russian but Nature made Oil, Gas, Metals.

UN its a joke - 5 nations dictate the rest its a joke. Very un-Democratic there should be majority rule and not speaking of Kosovo at all.

Top 5 cinema what you mean movie theater as I never heard did ou see that new Russian movie came out of Russia. If so you must be joking 1. to be happy with a theater.

Top 2 weapons producer great contributor to society and world peace.


Russia is a joke of a country, open factory there and productivity will go down 30%, And I am speaking first hand experience. Their productivity des not even match Polish or Rumanian output.

Russia raped east Europe this is why Poland, Rumania, Baltics would do anything for Uncle Sam not to get russian bot back.

Serbia sells companies at garage sales prices just to pretend it has not lost Kosovo great friend.

icj1, you are a real head case. When cornered or challenged you revert to "straw men." I wonder whether your command of the English language is the problem? Or you're just an obtuse individual? :0 lol

Thanks Reader,

First, the quotation marks were to bring attention to teh fact that icj1 has not just one straw man, but multiple.

There is also a difference between typing for speed and not having command of the English language (like icj1).

One is due to sloppiness, the other is incompetence on a forum where command of English is required.

For example, you may see below this exchange between the resident retard icj1 and myself:

--- The ports that matter are where the oil is. Where future trade is. Where large young population center are.
(factman, 21 May 2016 05:04)

---- So you are saying that the North Pole matters more because that's where the large young population center is?
(icj1, 22 May 2016)

The resident retard icj1 does not have enough familiarity with the language to realize that I am speaking of 3 different ports (each began with the word "where". Only a retard would think that population centers are where the North Pole is. Therefore icj1 = retard.

the RF has said its reply would be within this year's budget, b) and their response would be "totally asymmetric". To some this could look like nothing , if they don't comprehend it. LIKe what JEHOSHAPHAT did in sending the singers before the army, to praise the beauty of holiness. "And when they began to praise th LORD the LORD set ambushes" for the enemy. and they fought against EACH OTHER. Praise the God of the BIBLE! who is the boss. 2 Chronicles 20.

Is this "world" the head of a certain "sasa.p from near Jagodina"?! Just asking because other than you, you'd find few people, if any, who always hold their breath and wait for Russian's response lol
(icj1, 21 May 2016 21:41)

You,find the whole of Europe,and USA,seeing what's happening in Russia,every minute.Ps don't worry,where I live.I have 3 seat's to plant my backside.

hehe. When you answer the questions I have posed to you on other threads, so too will I answer this one.

Since you have answered nothing, neither will I answer you.

Is it possible for you to find something to actually say instead of dismissing every construct proposed in this forum?

Your behavior is really juvenile.

Where exactly will the West buy oil and gas since the greatest source is the Caspian? 
(obvious, 22 May 2016 01:08) 

Really?! So what % of the global oil & gas supply does the Caspian account for?
(icj1, 22 May 2016 18:20) 

icj1, you are a real head case. When cornered or challenged you revert to "straw men." I wonder whether your command of the English language is the problem? Or you're just an obtuse individual? :0 lol
(obvious, 23 May 2016 18:55)

You wrote that the Caspian is the greatest source of oil and gas. So I asked you for the data supporting what you wrote.

So it is you who were cornered or challenged to support with data a "fact" that you provided and you reverted to meaningless ramblings since apparently you don't have anything to support what you wrote. Otherwise your answer would have been very short, simple and to the point... i.e. according to X the Caspian accounts for Y% of the global oil and gas supply.

Feel free to repeat the head case, obtuse or any other epithet that you wish based on your superior command of the English language :) That just shows that you'be run out of arguments, if you had any to start with lol

"When cornered or challenged you revert to "straw men." I wonder whether your command of the English language is the problem?"

"straw men." -> "straw man".

The period goes after the double quote.

Every time you criticize somebody's English or typos make sure you have no typos yourselves people :). Because otherwise you will look like a**es.

Better yet, do not mention this at all. English is a second language for almost everybody here :).

For example, you may see below this exchange between the resident retard icj1 and myself: 

Geostrategy is a chess game. One guy moves, then the other guy moves. One guy moves in Montenegro, the other guy moves on the North Pole. 

This was a loss of influence, not a loss of some great port. Montenegro and her neighbors mean almost nothing in the general scheme of the world and where the power and money are. 

The ports that matter are where the oil is. Where future trade is. Where large young population center are. 
(factman, 21 May 2016 05:04) 

So you are saying that the North Pole matters more because that's where the large young population center is? 
(icj1, 21 May 2016 21:53) 

Only a retard would think that population centers are where the North Pole is. Therefore icj1 = retard.
(obvious, 24 May 2016 02:12)

Well, it was our dear friend factman that implied that for the North Pole; I just quoted him/her... I did not call him/her retard though. But if you think that factman is a retard I certainly defer to you since you appear to know factman better than me... to the point that you are claiming to be factman him/herself lol

Btw, did you find the evidence showing that the Caspian is the greatest source of oil and gas or you just made that up?

All this would not even exist if you actually wrote something instead of being snide all the time. Or presented some original thought. It's really juvenile. Not constructive. Demeans the forums and their purpose. Instead of being so snide, why don't you write something instead? You would likely do better in getting your points across.

Russia has never equated to the strength of NATO. Therefore, you can't say Russia will apply proportionate response.

Proportionate response would be reversing Montenegros NATO accession. We all know that will not happen.

The things are very simple

Albania is the most twisted country from Europe

How is possible to be poor always , world wars , comunism , transition , economical boom even Kosovo in Yugoslavia was most poor

Albania and Albanias => the destiny to be poor people

Serbia => Is from worse to worse but it lived some glorious moments and exceln in some stuff things

Let's suppose Russia were to become a member of NATO then there would no reason for NATO's existence. Russia can stop worrying and we can all focus on real issues that are threatening us like Global warming, currently the biggest problem facing humanity.

"She told a news conference of backstage deals with Montenegro’s top officials in defiance of the opinion of the country’s people and in bypass of the democratic principles and procedures NATO"

Joke of the year so far Russia talking about bypassing people :) sure!!!

No Adriatic Sea port for you Russia is the name of this move!!! What will you do use Serbs in Montenegro to try and stop it wont work!!!

Question: If there are so many Serbs in Montenegro why did they choose to split from Serbia?

It simply means that Russia will now go and do something proportional in Azerbaijan. Or some other place where oil and gas are controlled.

Serbia should stay out of it and be friends with both.

America is not Serbia's enemy.

This does not mean you can't do things your own way... or that you need to join NATO. Or that you need to play the shadowy EU game.

Be friends, but do your own thing.

RUSSOPHOBES ABOUT RUSSIANS


Friedrich-2 the Great : Killing a Russian soldier is not enough as you have to also tumble him down to the ground.


Gjon Marku : A street dog whos got nothing to loose can only show his teeth.


Joseph Goebbels : The persistence, with which the Bolsheviks defended in the pillboxes in Sevastopol, akin to a certain animal instinct, and it would be a profound mistake to regard it as a result of the Bolshevik beliefs or upbringing. Russian has always been so and likely always will remain"

For Russia it's an issue of perception and deception.

Russia likes to behave as if paranoid as a cover for expanding 'influence' by impositional means.

NATO isn't the play thing of a megalomaniac, so Russia's historical fears, although real, are not a sufficient justification for the paranoia.

Under the commies, Russia wanted to rule the world and certainly stomped on Eastern Europe.

Putin longs for those 'good old days'. NATO buffered against the commies, and is the best buffer there is for the future.

Of course Russia doesn't like it. Tough luck. That's how it's going to be - but it is a peace-based solution that has worked successfully for sixty-odd years.

Russia is going to do what they always do. Absolutely nothing. If they wouldnt have Nuclear Power and a Seat in the UN Security Council, we would forget it exists.

Irrelevant.

Factman : America is not Serbia's enemy.

What else is America if not your mortal enemy?


Bilbao: No Adriatic Sea port for you Russia is the name of this move!!!

не делай нам мозг шкиптарская макака! Concerning a port in our Adriatic I have to refrain Putin who once said от мертвого осла уши ты у меня получишь, а не Шарапова. It means that броня крепка и танки наши быстры ! I pity you each time you wipe your tears with your pants. ВЕРНИСЬ, НЕСЧАСТНАЯ – ТВОИ ТРУСЫ НАШЛИСЬ!


Bob: Russia likes to behave as if paranoid as a cover for expanding 'influence' by impositional means … so Russia's historical fears, although real, are not a sufficient justification for the paranoia. … Russia wanted to rule the world …

AFTER YOUR COMMENT I’VE GOT TO REALIZE WHY THE MUSLIMS EAT NO PORK.


Guest : Russia has never equated to the strength of NATO. Therefore, you can't say Russia will apply proportionate response.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQDHCyFe2rY


Dreamer: suppose Russia were to become a member of NATO


Let’s dream together and suggest that NATO will become member of Russia. We'll switch off our missiles not to turn you all into dust and “focus on real issues that are threatening us” ... and you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Bk3RzLD0s


Gjon Marku: If they wouldnt have Nuclear Power and a Seat in the UN SC

Если бы у бабки был х-й, она бы дедом была …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTuRG1R6O3Q

Some dude below wrote: No Adriatic Sea port for you Russia is the name of this move!!! What will you do use Serbs in Montenegro to try and stop it wont work!!!

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Do you really think a port on the Adriatic is important in the general scheme of things?

Do you think if they had that port they could have done something big with it?

Geostrategy is a chess game. One guy moves, then the other guy moves. One guy moves in Montenegro, the other guy moves on the North Pole. You see, the world is a big place... and you can't be everywhere all at once. If you get bogged down in one area, you can't act in another area.

This was a loss of influence, not a loss of some great port. Montenegro and her neighbors mean almost nothing in the general scheme of the world and where the power and money are.

The ports that matter are where the oil is. Where future trade is. Where large young population center are. Not where decaying Europe ages and dies little by little.

Gjon Marku : Russia is closer to northkorea and ISIS than to the civilized world. I feel pity for the people.

Stupid to pity a people that is happy about it's government - don't you find? So don't waste your time waiting for Russia to collapse or surrender. But be sure rather sooner than later Russia'll be back to the Bal Khans.

Of course Russia doesn't like it. Tough luck. That's how it's going to be - but it is a peace-based solution that has worked successfully for sixty-odd years.
(Bob, 20 May 2016 17:38

You just keep f*****g with Putin and see what happens when shit hits the fan, and it's all directed at you.

Rote, you're so full of hate I almost feel sorry for you. In case you're not already in Russia you should go and live there. You two deserve each other.
People have opinions. You don't like them then move on and keep your hate and spiteful rhetoric to yourself.
FYI. I like living in 'the west'. I like the opportunities and freedom it offers. Now hate me for it, because, apparently, those are all the feelings you can muster.

Russia is going to do what they always do. Absolutely nothing. If they wouldnt have Nuclear Power and a Seat in the UN Security Council, we would forget it exists.

Irrelevant.
(Gjon Marku, 20 May 2016 18:10)

To Gjon,
Meanwhile the whole world will always hold its breath and wait for Russian's response!.
Don't forget Russia and China is only a 1 handful of countries that have both nuclear weapons and a main seat in United Nations,so that is a BIG DEAL,otherwise on every countries news their is always articles on RUSSIA Business and movement.
So it does exist and alot of countries are concern about RUSSIA and CHINA.
PS You are too,involved with your Islamic state ,not to notice the BIG picture (Russia and China).

Need I go on?

They don't sound too irrelevant to me.

Russia is a great nation. Always was and always will be.
(factman, 22 May 2016 21:23)

Most what you said is Not Russian but Nature made Oil, Gas, Metals.

UN its a joke - 5 nations dictate the rest its a joke. Very un-Democratic there should be majority rule and not speaking of Kosovo at all.

Top 5 cinema what you mean movie theater as I never heard did ou see that new Russian movie came out of Russia. If so you must be joking 1. to be happy with a theater.

Top 2 weapons producer great contributor to society and world peace.


Russia is a joke of a country, open factory there and productivity will go down 30%, And I am speaking first hand experience. Their productivity des not even match Polish or Rumanian output.

Russia raped east Europe this is why Poland, Rumania, Baltics would do anything for Uncle Sam not to get russian bot back.

Serbia sells companies at garage sales prices just to pretend it has not lost Kosovo great friend.

Guest: Russia has never equated to the strength of NATO. Therefore, you can't say Russia will apply proportionate response.

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This comment is illogical.

NATO is composed of 27 countries. And Russia is but one.

The point is Mutually Assured Destruction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

And that means that it most certainly does equate.

They can blow everyone else off the face of the planet.

End of story.

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As long as the West is addicted to oil, then they hold very significant cards in their hands and can apply proportinzte pressure very easily in Azerbaijan by arming the Armenians and cutting off access to Caspian oil to the West. Don't kid yourself. It's a very real possibility.

Dreamer: Rote, you're so full of hate I almost feel sorry for you.

What hatred are you talking about? Simply read my comment that I have to place hereby again. Also I gave you a link with a good anti-nuke song with words like

How is it we can fly faster than day
But we can’t find things we need?
+
We may all be dead in a year or a day
If when the Devil is put to the test …

WHERE’S MY HATRED I ASK YOU?
COZ I'M NEVER THE FIRST TO ATTACK.

“Let’s dream together and suggest that NATO will become member of Russia. We'll switch off our missiles not to turn you all into dust and “focus on real issues that are threatening us” ... and you”

http://www.b92.net/eng/comments.php?nav_id=98065

So it does exist and alot of countries are concern about RUSSIA.
(sasa.p from near Jagodina, 2016 13:17)

Yes you got that right. A lot of countries are concerned about a piss poor country ruled by a dispot keeps playing with the red button. A street dog whos got nothing to loose can only show his teeth.

Russia is closer to northkorea and ISIS than to the civilized world. I feel pity for the people.

Geostrategy is a chess game. One guy moves, then the other guy moves. One guy moves in Montenegro, the other guy moves on the North Pole.

This was a loss of influence, not a loss of some great port. Montenegro and her neighbors mean almost nothing in the general scheme of the world and where the power and money are.

The ports that matter are where the oil is. Where future trade is. Where large young population center are.
(factman, 21 May 2016 05:04)

So you are saying that the North Pole matters more because that's where the large young population center is?
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As long as the West is addicted to oil, then they hold very significant cards in their hands and can apply proportinzte pressure very easily in Azerbaijan by arming the Armenians and cutting off access to Caspian oil to the West. Don't kid yourself. It's a very real possibility.
(factman, 21 May 2016 04:54)

Sure... and the West will buy oil from somewhere else. So not sure what your point is :) You seldom seem to have a point lol

two links so that icj1 may educate himself :) lol


Russia May Already Own Much of North Pole Oil Rights
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/russia-might-own-north-pole-180956208/

Oil and Gas Rights In North Pole More Valuable Than Entire US Economy
http://www.vocativ.com/money/business/whats-the-north-pole-worth/

Respond proportionately? What hypocrites these people are!
If we're going to respond proportionately, why are Ukrainians not occupying Russia and killing Russian children? Why are Syrians not bombing Russia? Why are we not taking Russian companies for less than their market value?

Meanwhile the whole world will always hold its breath and wait for Russian's response!.
(sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia, 21 May 2016 13:17)

Is this "world" the head of a certain "sasa.p from near Jagodina"?! Just asking because other than you, you'd find few people, if any, who always hold their breath and wait for Russian's response lol

Stupid to pity a people that is happy about it's government - don't you find? So don't waste your time waiting for Russia to collapse or surrender. But be sure rather sooner than later Russia'll be back to the Bal Khans.
(rote, 22 May 2016 07:30)

Why would I want Russia to collapse? I dont wish for the people to suffer more. Russia needs Reforms and the Reforms are coming. Wether you like it or not. I`ve been to Moscow last year and I`ve visted Saint Petersburg few years ago. I wouldnt be surprised if I know more Russians than you, poser. The only people saying that they are happy with the Government are Nationalists and Ignorants. Russia is in a bad shape because EU does not depend on Russian Oil and Gas as much as we used to. Prices are on a all time low and Russia missed the chance to re-shape its industry.

You can clearly see that the russian society is leaning to western lifestyle. You have McDonalds, German Cars, US TV-Shows. Even Greygoose Vodka from France is more desirable than local Vodka... Western Culture is far more appealing. Ordinary Russians dont give a shit about the Balkans or the Soviet Union.

The picture of Russia you try to paint here exists only in the history books. Russia wont return to the balkans for one reason. You have nothing to offer.

They don't sound too irrelevant to me.

Russia is a great nation. Always was and always will be.
(factman, 22 May 2016 21:23)

All you need to know about Russia is this.

EU is the biggest trading partner for Russia. 60% of Russian trade is made with the EU. From an EU point of view Russian trade makes only about 8%. Even you should be able to understand what that means.

Russia is irrelevant.

(Gjon Marku, 23 May 2016 10:03)

One major problem with your theory. The trade is the EU selling agricultural products, cars, equipment, clothing etc all of which can easily be replaced from non-EU countries.
Its more like the EU is suffering not Russia, but if you want to hurt Russia then you can suggest to Brussels to stop buying Russian energy. If you have never seen an economic collapse on the size of Europe you will then see one.
The former Greek finance minister, Yanis Varoufakis was interviewed on the Australian Broadcast Corporation last Friday. He stated that the EU is in a Depression with Italy, Spain and France now very close to Greek financial situation.
So now we have Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Greece, France and Italy all in trouble.

the RF has said its reply would be within this year's budget, b) and their response would be "totally asymmetric". To some this could look like nothing , if they don't comprehend it. LIKe what JEHOSHAPHAT did in sending the singers before the army, to praise the beauty of holiness. "And when they began to praise th LORD the LORD set ambushes" for the enemy. and they fought against EACH OTHER. Praise the God of the BIBLE! who is the boss. 2 Chronicles 20.

Is this "world" the head of a certain "sasa.p from near Jagodina"?! Just asking because other than you, you'd find few people, if any, who always hold their breath and wait for Russian's response lol
(icj1, 21 May 2016 21:41)

You,find the whole of Europe,and USA,seeing what's happening in Russia,every minute.Ps don't worry,where I live.I have 3 seat's to plant my backside.

What factman is saying is that the North Pole is the newest area for oil discovery and Russia has a big head start on everyone. You should read some other websites instead of just this one. The problem is that I dont know if that will help you, because your next comment is even more idiotic. Where exactly will the West buy oil and gas since the greatest source is the Caspian? Maybe you havent read the newspaper for the past 3 decades and relized where all the proposed pipelines are coming from? Please let us know from whom they will buy since upwards of 40% reliance in Western Europe.

adrian_bucharest

LEAVE YOUR DIDACTIC TONE AS ROMANIA IS A FAILED STATE. SO YOU ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO GIVE ADVICE. ESPESSIALLY NOW THAT YOU MADE YOURSEF A TARGET FOR THE RUSSIAN NUKES. PLEASE DON'T TELL ME ABOUT YOUR 500 EURO SALARIES.

There's an eastern sayng

UH TA WAIIL CHEGHARA DI KAGA DA. WA DI WAIIL CHE KUM DZAI MI SAM DYI? = CAMEL WAS TOLD THAT HIS NECK WAS CROOKED. AND HE RESPONDED - WHAT PART OF ME IS STRAIGHT?

It means that there's no sence to critisize part of something if the whole object is wrong.

So is your comment.

Rote:

Yes, America is Serbia's friend. I'll tel you another one. It is also Russia's friend. And Russia is America's friend. You guys read too many newspapers.

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Gjon:

Russia is irrelevant? The world doesn't rely on Russian oil?

I think you are very confused.

The West relies on Russian oil and gas just as much as ever. That should not be confused with a drop in prices. Those are 2 different things. By the way, one day, the price will just go back up. That's what a business cycle is all about.

As for irrelevant? It's not a good statement.

- Nuclear Power
- Centuries controlling the largest political landmass in the world
- Holders of the largest source of raw materials in the world
- Right side on both world wars while contributing 20M dead to the cause
- Inventors of thousands of medical devices and medicines
- One of two to go to outer-space
- Masters of the underwater subterrranean world
- Thousands of Gold, silver, and Bronze medals
- Creators of their own original ecclesiastical architecture
- Writers of the worlds greatest novels
- Composers of the worlds greatest symphonies
- The world's greatest ballets
- Top 5 cinema in the world.
- Top 5 theater in the world
- Top 2 weapons producer in the world
- Un Security Council seat.

Need I go on?

They don't sound too irrelevant to me.

Russia is a great nation. Always was and always will be.

In reality this means, nothing.

Geostrategy is a chess game. One guy moves, then the other guy moves. One guy moves in Montenegro, the other guy moves on the North Pole.

This was a loss of influence, not a loss of some great port. Montenegro and her neighbors mean almost nothing in the general scheme of the world and where the power and money are.

The ports that matter are where the oil is. Where future trade is. Where large young population center are.
(factman, 21 May 2016 05:04)

So you are saying that the North Pole matters more because that's where the large young population center is?
(icj1, 21 May 2016 21:53)

two links so that icj1 may educate himself :) lol

Russia May Already Own Much of North Pole Oil Rights
[link]/

Oil and Gas Rights In North Pole More Valuable Than Entire US Economy
[link]/
(obvious, 22 May 2016 01:46)

Thx mate for the education... very insightful! Those links definitively show that the North Pole is where the large young population center is lol You certainly are a brilliant teacher...

Where exactly will the West buy oil and gas since the greatest source is the Caspian?
(obvious, 22 May 2016 01:08)

Really?! So what % of the global oil & gas supply does the Caspian account for?

Where exactly will the West buy oil and gas since the greatest source is the Caspian? 
(obvious, 22 May 2016 01:08) 

Really?! So what % of the global oil & gas supply does the Caspian account for?
(icj1, 22 May 2016 18:20) 

icj1, you are a real head case. When cornered or challenged you revert to "straw men." I wonder whether your command of the English language is the problem? Or you're just an obtuse individual? :0 lol
(obvious, 23 May 2016 18:55)

You wrote that the Caspian is the greatest source of oil and gas. So I asked you for the data supporting what you wrote.

So it is you who were cornered or challenged to support with data a "fact" that you provided and you reverted to meaningless ramblings since apparently you don't have anything to support what you wrote. Otherwise your answer would have been very short, simple and to the point... i.e. according to X the Caspian accounts for Y% of the global oil and gas supply.

Feel free to repeat the head case, obtuse or any other epithet that you wish based on your superior command of the English language :) That just shows that you'be run out of arguments, if you had any to start with lol

"When cornered or challenged you revert to "straw men." I wonder whether your command of the English language is the problem?"

"straw men." -> "straw man".

The period goes after the double quote.

Every time you criticize somebody's English or typos make sure you have no typos yourselves people :). Because otherwise you will look like a**es.

Better yet, do not mention this at all. English is a second language for almost everybody here :).

For example, you may see below this exchange between the resident retard icj1 and myself: 

Geostrategy is a chess game. One guy moves, then the other guy moves. One guy moves in Montenegro, the other guy moves on the North Pole. 

This was a loss of influence, not a loss of some great port. Montenegro and her neighbors mean almost nothing in the general scheme of the world and where the power and money are. 

The ports that matter are where the oil is. Where future trade is. Where large young population center are. 
(factman, 21 May 2016 05:04) 

So you are saying that the North Pole matters more because that's where the large young population center is? 
(icj1, 21 May 2016 21:53) 

Only a retard would think that population centers are where the North Pole is. Therefore icj1 = retard.
(obvious, 24 May 2016 02:12)

Well, it was our dear friend factman that implied that for the North Pole; I just quoted him/her... I did not call him/her retard though. But if you think that factman is a retard I certainly defer to you since you appear to know factman better than me... to the point that you are claiming to be factman him/herself lol

Btw, did you find the evidence showing that the Caspian is the greatest source of oil and gas or you just made that up?

Proportional does not mean equal.

A one-hundredth part is a proportion.

Bilbao and Gjon:

I can intellectually accept some of your points (only some).

But you are too filled with too much of an agenda to acknowledge basic things that I write.

Too bad. Since you are not intellectually honest, we really have nothing to speak about.

Good luck in your weird little world.

Russia is a great country that has advanced civilization.

This should not offend you.

PS: Gjon, I didn't say "movies", I said "cinema" (there is a difference).

Russian Cinema: http://learnaboutfilm.com/soviet-montage/

icj1, you are a real head case. When cornered or challenged you revert to "straw men." I wonder whether your command of the English language is the problem? Or you're just an obtuse individual? :0 lol

Thanks Reader,

First, the quotation marks were to bring attention to teh fact that icj1 has not just one straw man, but multiple.

There is also a difference between typing for speed and not having command of the English language (like icj1).

One is due to sloppiness, the other is incompetence on a forum where command of English is required.

For example, you may see below this exchange between the resident retard icj1 and myself:

--- The ports that matter are where the oil is. Where future trade is. Where large young population center are.
(factman, 21 May 2016 05:04)

---- So you are saying that the North Pole matters more because that's where the large young population center is?
(icj1, 22 May 2016)

The resident retard icj1 does not have enough familiarity with the language to realize that I am speaking of 3 different ports (each began with the word "where". Only a retard would think that population centers are where the North Pole is. Therefore icj1 = retard.

hehe. When you answer the questions I have posed to you on other threads, so too will I answer this one.

Since you have answered nothing, neither will I answer you.

Is it possible for you to find something to actually say instead of dismissing every construct proposed in this forum?

Your behavior is really juvenile.

All this would not even exist if you actually wrote something instead of being snide all the time. Or presented some original thought. It's really juvenile. Not constructive. Demeans the forums and their purpose. Instead of being so snide, why don't you write something instead? You would likely do better in getting your points across.