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Thursday, 12.05.2016.

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Erdogan warns NATO Black Sea has become "Russian lake"

NATO is not deploying enough assets to the Black Sea, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said, according to RT.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

It all reminds me an episode from a Russian comedy

You remind me an exchange that I had three years ago with a Fyromian guy who posted a link on this site implying that his country was the first one created by god. When I come to think about your own claims that Jesus was a Russian/Slav it follows that you both belong to the same club.

Leonidas looks like the funny and fake history written for in 18-19 centuries

I ‘ve never claimed that history is written exactly as it happened. On the other hand I cannot ignore he millions of relics from the past or historiography neither the opinion of thousands of past and present historians and archaeologists as you do by branding everything the work of the Oldebergs.

the Greeks weren’t the only source of democracy

I’ve never discussed democracy with you on this site and I don’t know where your claim comes from .

Thought you were smarter.

Smartness is not equal to insanity.

I promise you to do my best for revealing the true history on this site

I’ll look forward to it but I think it’s your usual waffle.

I feel a slightest insult or a hint I’ll take no prisoners .

The trouble with scary people is everyone's too scared to tell them how scary they are.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas

It all reminds me an episode from a Russian comedy film Shirly-Mirly ( Ширли-Мырли) about one anti-Semite :

- Mother as a Russian to a Russian tell me please – am I a Jew?

Leonidas looks like the funny and fake history written for in 18-19 centuries is so deep beneath your skin that you cannot even imagine that the Greeks weren’t the only source of democracy and knowledge. No other versions can be roomed in your head. Thought you were smarter. Your grandsons will have to study Fomenko and today you’ve missed a chance ask questions instead insulting. I promise you to do my best for revealing the true history on this site and next time I feel a slightest insult or a hint I’ll take no prisoners so best if you do not attract my attention. You will be first Greek whom I despise.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

Now we can move to the Ottomans.
(rote,

Read the Ottoman written history and the Byzantine one as written by 42 Greek Byzantine historians and then you can come back to me and engage on the subject.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

-Before 1613 period of the Rurikovici Dynasty that ruled the world.

(rote

In Fomenko's and your imagination.The Rurik dynasty( VLadimir's Viking descendants) ruled over Russia,Belarussia and Ukraine to some extend.

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rote

pre 7 godina

LEONIDAS

So they were a real threat to the Reformatory but German Russians succeeded to make the two Russian states on their borders fight one another for 200 years. Each time the Romanovs needed military aid they received big armies from Europe. They spoke Russian and didn’t look like invaders. So was during the war of 17 century vs the Astrakhan Horde led by Stephan Razin and in 1773 when the Ottomans betrayed their Great Tartarian ally and signed a peace treaty. It enabled the Romanovs send their best troops under Alexander Suvorov to fight the “Pugachev’s” army. In 1775 Pugachev was defeated and the Oldenburgs creates the USA. But the traitor Ottomans were also punished rather soon. Now they had to withstand united Russia and Europe alone. After Suleiman Qanuni introduced Islam developed by his Grandpa Mehmet II the Great Porta became culturally a different world. They also lost technical competition and step after step they had to abandon France, Italy, Spain, Austria, Huingary and finally Balkans as the Mainland Ottomania the basic land and the main strong point of the Empire. In 18 century the Sultans followed their people and became Muslims and they spoke Osmani language that in fact was a version of Persian mixed with local dialects. Oldenburgs who mostly controlled Europe in 18-19 centuries provoked the Christians to rebel. They didn’t care them but they needed to destroy the empire and avenge for their centuries old insults.They took only Greece as a trophy

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

I know little about Alexander but what I do know stops me thinking that he had anything to do with Greece
Rote

I know by now that you don't read world history nevertheless here is aa quote for you to learn:
"It should be noted that there is NO CONNECTION between the Macedonians of the time of Alexander the Great who were a GREEK tribe and today's
so-called 'macedonians' of the 'Former Yugoslav Republic of macedonia' or
FYROM, who are of SLAVIC origin and related to BULGARIANS." -
David H Levinson, 'The Encyclopaedia of Ancient Cultures'

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

Should you say that the Macedonians seized Asia without the Greeks it would be more realistic because there were no nations before 17 century while the Slavs were the biggest ethnic group of the ancient times
Rote

There were no Slavs in the Balkans in the ancient times.When the Slavs arrived in the 6th AD there were no Macedonians.They thought of themselves as Christian Greek-speaking Roman (: Byzantine) citizens, and not because of any large-scale Roman colonization and consequent merger.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

I know little about Alexander but what I do know stops me thinking that he had anything to do with Greece
Rote

I know by now that you don't read world history nevertheless here is aa quote for you to learn:
"It should be noted that there is NO CONNECTION between the Macedonians of the time of Alexander the Great who were a GREEK tribe and today's
so-called 'macedonians' of the 'Former Yugoslav Republic of macedonia' or
FYROM, who are of SLAVIC origin and related to BULGARIANS." -
David H Levinson, 'The Encyclopaedia of Ancient Cultures'

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas

So in 1552 Ivan IV destroyed Kazan and prepared expedition to Europe. Parallel to it Suleiman moved to central Europe and occupied Buda Pest and Vienna. But in 1563 Ivan refused from power and became юродивый (saint). It enabled the Lutheran Romanovs seize power for 12 years of Oprichnina. They undermined the Russian efforts so the 30 year Livonian War against greater part of Europe gave no results. In 1572 Suleiman tried to restore the legal Ruricovici power sending his Janissaries to help the Crimea Khan Girey who like Suleiman was of the Ruricovici. But they were defeated in Molody Battle near Moscow because the German Russians again sent their troops to help their Romanovs puppets. Yet soon the power in the Horde was restored until 1584 when the last Ruricovici Tsar/Khan Simeon Bekbulatovic died. By that time Hernan Cortes in fact Yuri Vasilievic – younger brother of Ivan Grozny finished colonization of both Americas. Smuta/Disorder time lasted till 1613 when the Romanovs again seized the state power. Russia became a colony of the Oldenburgs for almost 3 century. Other Hordes refused to obey so the Romanovs controlled only several % of the Great Horde. The biggest of Russian states became the Great Tartaria that included Siberia and America with Tobolsk as the capitol. Next big were the Great Mogolia, China, Cathay Tartaria and Osmania. Since 1517 the Ottomans controlled also the Egyptian Horde (all Arab states) led by the Russian Cherkassy Mamelukes.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonid/as

I hereby finish my short chronology of what can be concerned the Ottomans. So if you are still here please read the previous posts first. Otherwise you will not have a plain picture again.

In 1484 a severe Bubonic plague epidemic killed millions in Europe. It reached the Great Khan’s Court in V.Novgorod and because of the famous Roman roads the disease was fast spreading all over the empire. Worst was the situation in Britain, Spain, France, Holland, west of German lands, Italy and the Balkans. It was decided to clean those territories so a great Cossack expedition was sent there in 1485. They killed millions and buried or burnt everybody not necessarily ill … No matter if those were local peoples or the Russian Cossacks deployed there during the previous colonization. This expedition was reflected in the Bible as Apocalypses. The cleaned territories were inhabited by new Horde’s men. In Russian history it was reflected as "раздача новгородских земель" not even mentioned in Wikipedia. I guess that most of the current peoples of the Balkans arrived to the peninsula at that period. So I feel irritation when they speak of the ancient times. In 16 century during Suleiman and Ivan Grozny relations between the Great Horde and the Tver Horde aka Atamania were still good. It was then that Suleiman has built the Hagia Sophia Church. But in Europe the Reformation epidemic increased and they were in plot contacts with the Kazan Tsardom.

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rote

pre 7 godina

LEONIDAS

In 1389 during one of the battles of the civil war the Great Khan Dmitry as if Sultan Murad-1 was killed on Kosovo Field. 23 years later after the Angora/Ankara battle his son Vasily-1 aka Bayased-1 was captured and executed by Tamerlane. All including Serbs were Russians as it was a family matter of the Ruricovici. Tamerlane had no chance because only his wife was a Rurikovici while he was an Ural Cossack so none of the Hordes would support him.

By 1415 both biggest Hordes (the main White in Veliki Novgorod and the Golden in Kazan ) got tired of the war than none of them could win. So they stood on Ugra River without a clash. There they shook hands and it put an end to the civil war. Peace enabled them to bring to order some of their vassals who felt free during the war. So the united Slavic army moved to reconquer Europe.

By 1445 the order was restored but new contradictions arose between the descendants of Dmitry Donskoy who lived in Constantinople and those Rurikovici who stayed in Russia. The Greek Patriarch flew from Veliki Novgorod to Constantinople that aggravated the situation.

The Great Horde sent a joint army to siege Constantinople and in 1453 Tverskoy Kniaz/Khan Mehmet II aka Prophet Mohammad seized the city. All their trophies he sent to Veliki Novgorod. But for the next 28 years he was a formal head of the ruling family and the Great Horde so Novgorod/Habsburgs made him gifts. But after he passed away everything became routine.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas

In 1325 Georgy the Great Khan was poisoned but his younger brother Ivan Danilovic aka Bati Khan/Vati Can aka Prester John aka Calif finished the job and by 1345 100% of Europe was colonized. Then he moved his Horde to Asia and Africa to colonize them without meeting any resistance.

In 1370 his young son and the Great Kniaz/Khan Dmitry-1 Ivanovic aka Sultan Murad-1 aka Constantine-1 the Great inspired by his Godfather St.Sergy Radonezhsky put a formal end to the Royal/Family Christianity that dominated since 1185. Those were the First Christians aka the Pagans. With the help of their Greek Brahmans they developed the idea that as they belonged to the same dynasty as Jesus they too were gods. So they wrote those fairy tales that formed the Greek culture lately. Most of the legendary heroes were real people though medieval.

Other Rurikovici did not like the idea of the young Great Khan and the 45 year civil war started. Every 2-3 years there was a big fight until in 1380 on Kulikovo field a General battle was led in Moscow. Kniaz Dmitry took the upper hand and was called Donskoy ever since. Then he made two important things – moved the religious capitol of the empire back to Jerusalem/Tsargrad and called it Constantinople in his own honor. He took his Greek Patriarch and moved to Bosphorus. He also established Vatican as regional Orthodox center for Europe. Place was chosen because his fater Ivan/Baty Khan had his headquaters there during the colonization.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas I believe that most important chronology of the Ottomans is :

In 1152 Andronicus I Komnin aka Andrey Bogoliubsky aka Apostle Andrew aka Jesus Christ was born in Crimea, Chufut Kale. As a Komnin he was a Sevast so this place was called Sevastopol.

In 1183 being co-emperor of Trabesund he moved his army to Jerusalem aka Troja aka Tsar Grad aka Vishegrad. People in the then capitol of the world greeted him and so he entered the city to rule here for the next 3 years.

In 1185 Andronicus/Christ was executed. It caused and immediate reaction of the Ruricovici dynasty to which he also belonged and it was the first Crusader war. Then came 3 others until in 1204 during the last Crusader war the Russians seized and destroyed Tsar Grad. They killed all the Angels whom they found because it was Christ’s cousin Manuil II Angel who killed him to seize power. Yet some of the Angels managed to run to their homeland Armenia and to England. In old manuscripts both England and the Angels were written as ANGL. The Russians abandoned the city until 1261 when it was seized for centuries.

In 1185 death of Christ initiated the Trojan/Troy aka Gothic war that lasted till 1345. It was a chain of wars where all Europeans were involved. The war was led in the Black Sea and the Mediterranean until in 1318 the young Russian kniaz/Khan Yuri/Georgy Danilovic aka St.George aka Genghis Khan decided to strike the head of the Latin snake and headed his cavalry army to Europe. b92 - thanks!

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas

When you mention ancient manuscripts make sure that they are not copies because 99,9% of what we are shown are copies or copies of the copies. Usually they made adopted copies before destroying inconvenient documents. Most cleaned is the Russian history as it was a matter of life for the Romanovs and their German masters. According to Fomenko original Peter-1 was killed during his trip to Europe in 1698. Two years later another man came instead. He looked alike but was 34 sm taller. Many Russians digged out proof of it. After that none of the Russian Tsars had a spot of Russian blood. Mentally most Russian was Nicolas II and during his visit to Japan he was injured heavily and his bloody handkerchief was always kept in the Imperial Museum. Few years ago Russia asked it for Y-Dna analysis of the remnants of the dead bodies that were supposed to belong to the Tsar family. They were not as the Tsar family was not executed. But experts have found out that there was not a drop of a Russian blood in Nicolas II. It had only “German” R1b Y-DNA. In fact R1b is also Slavic but not Russian anyway. So the Russian history looks as:

-Before 1613 period of the Rurikovici Dynasty that ruled the world.
-1613-1698 Sobakins-Yurievs called themselves the Romanovs who ruled one of the several Russian states.
-1700-1917 Oldenburgs who also used the Romanovs’ trademark.

Now we can move to the Ottomans.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas

I’ve spent several years in Iran and Afghanistan and I know their histories and their languages to say nothing of the former USSR states. It’s crazy to think that miserable 46 000 army with bronze armament could control those vast territories. It wouldn’t be enough even to defend the supply routes if any. Plus they built 33 never found cities … Much bigger armies of the USSR/USA failed to control even Afghanistan. I know little about Alexander but what I do know stops me thinking that he had anything to do with Greece. A too small people living too far from the region. that's why I asked you not to mention Macedonians because they weren’t Greeks as I believe. Should you say that the Macedonians seized Asia without the Greeks it would be more realistic because there were no nations before 17 century while the Slavs were the biggest ethnic group of the ancient times. And you can see it in the Happlogroups of the Pashtuns and the Iranians/Tadjiks. Slavs weren’t sitting on the trees as you think but had states and culture of their own. I have more proof of it than you can imagine now. Also in 11-12 centuries our regions were femes of the Byzantine and there was a big cultural exchange. Then in 1182 Greek/Slav Andronicus I Komnin aka Andrey Bogoliubski became emperor of Byzantine - read Nikitha Honiat the official chronologist of their empire. So the Ottomans were something more realistic we could talk about. Besides it was a joint project of the Slavs and the Greek.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

Rote
Your pathetic,indoctrinated paranoia is freaking’hilarious to anyone with higher than a 2nd Grade education.You try to make a case about the former royal family imposed upon the Greeks after independence by the British,French and Russia which lasted for 135 years yet you keep silent about Russia’s past.Have you forgotten about the Viking king Vladimir and his Rus tribe you got your name from? His descendants ruled over you for six centuries-a period which Fomenko tries to dress as the Great Horde which was nothing else but Mongol Tribes. As the distinguished Russian archaeologist, Valentin Yanin,said about Fomenko “ He’s an embarrassment and a potent symbol of the depths to which the Russian academy and society have generally sunk ... since the fall of Communism" He also says that Fomenko “ tried in keeping alive an imperial consciousness and secular messianism in Russia".

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

1.The population of more than 70 ancient Greek cities was 2 million people and therefore it wasn’t difficult to raise an Army of 40000 and 6000 cavalry.The weapon used by the phalangites was the sarissa, and not the sword.The royal palaces unearhed in Greece,Iran,Egypt and Pakistan plus the 5000 Ancient Macedonian inscriptions are more than a single proof.What’s next to say –the Oldebergs Built those palaces and buried them for Greeks to find them?
2.Medieval Greek was a continuation of Koine(Ancient) whereas modern Greek is a continuation of the Byzantine or Ecclesiastical one as we call them.
3.According to you the Ottomans lasted just one century because the original ones were Russians. How on earth did they manage to build all those ancient Greek and Roman monuments?
4.If scientists (including Russian ones)can declare to the world that the earth is 4.5 billion years old or the Dinausaurs died 170 million years ago i am sure they can determine the age of an ancient monument.

5 It seems to me that you’re bothered by the fact that Euclides,Pythagoras and Archimedes were Greek and not Russian.Have you ever wondered why modern mathematics use Greek letters? Check the Microsoft word on your computer ,you’ll find few Greek letters there.
7. Our alphabet goes back 5000 years whereas yours (the one we gave you)only 1000.Russia is as much a part of Viking history as the Norman conquest of England or the settlement of Iceland and Greenland.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas : As to Oldebergs -that's a lollipop for you to justify your nonsense. … is not only pure B...s..t but also Russo-centric

You don’t even know the family name of your royal dynasty. They always put St.George’s cross on their flags. See the Greek, the Union Jack, Swedish, Finnish, the Russian Guys, flags of Denmark, Norway and of Hitler ect. Before 1261 the world was Tsargrad-centric and only between 1345-1613 it was controlled by the Rus. You can see it in the multiple names all over the world BRUSSELS, PRUSSIA, BORUSSIA, ROUSSILLION, RUSSEL, ROUSSOS, ROSSINI, ROSSI, ROSSIUS, RUSSEFF, ROUSSEEAU, UROS, BYELORUSSIA, MALOROSSIA, FORT ROSS … Only the blind fail to see it.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas: Enjoy your conspiracy theories!


CONSPIRACY IS :

1/ When 0,02% of the population of the Earth WITHOUT A SINGLE PROOF insist that they had seized half the world bare footed with their short swords and without enough horses.

2/ When a people that has 3 languages (ancient, medieval and modern) closes it eyes at the evident fact that the ancient and the modern are the same and the medieaval language in fact is the oldest. Because if they admit this their history will be ruined.

3/ When “Turkish” (in fact Roman) monuments WITHOUT A SINGLE PROOF are exposed as belonging to those who control the liberated lands of Latina/Ladina.

4/ When medieval monuments of the first Christians (including the Greeks) WITHOUT A SINGLE PROOF are declared as ancient ones belonging to only one people.

5/ When WITHOUT A SINGLE PROOF someone insists on the idiotic hypothesis that some ancient mathematicians could work with figures like LIXXVIMLVILXII.

6/ When someone laughs at the icons made by his fellow painters under his fellow patriarchs.

7/ When someone believes that 2 liters of water can be poured in a 1 liter bottle otherwise alphabet of 42 letters could be made out of an alphabet of 24 letters.

ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

P.S. It’s a great pity you never say good bye if you fail to persuade someone - Oldenburgs' tradition.

[link]
(rote,

This article -if you haven't noticed-is about Erdogan and not Fomenko's pseudo-history.I would have engaged with you hadn't you continued -in Fomenko's tradition- of being selective and ignoring raised questions.As I mentioned to you before,Fomenko's new chronology is not only pure B...s..t but also Russo-centric and this is why they'e marketed to the Russian audience and not to Western ones-no questions asked.

As to Oldebergs -that's a lollipop for you to justify your nonsense.They're presented as some kind of gods on earth by being everywhere in the world at the same time and manipulating every single human being.Enjoy your conspiracy theories!

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Dwight

pre 7 godina

Sreten, there is some merit to your argument but you are not comparing like with like.

The flyby of USS Donald Cook is aggressive and dangerous without a doubt. Similar to someone swinging a fist at you and then stopping just before they hit you. Maybe not illegal, just aggressive and dangerous. You dont know if they are going to stop and if you were to strike that person, it would be considered self-defence.

Yes, these mentioned planes were in international aispace but were unresponsive, with no identification and flying towards estonia, this is different from flying parrallel to a border with transponder switched on and answering calls for identification. Do you think Russia would not scramble jets and talk of agression if a German airplane in silent mode made a beeline for the Russia border, refusing all chances to identify itself?
If you were in command of your countries defence, what would you do about a non-responsive plane flying towards your country? Most countries give fair warning to a plane before shooting it down, maybe pilot has fainted, maybe lost, perhaps the plane is damaged, at what stage would you take action? Get it wrong and you could either shoot down a plane that simply has a damaged radio or alternatively show you are weak by allowing a foreign unidentified plane into your airspace.

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Lenard

pre 7 godina

3000 you say Croatians wiped out 30,000 Serb Fascist Chetniks just in Bosnia. Never even mind the Serb fascist losers in Croatia in 1990's. Kurds are the ancient Medes and Croatia is arming them with 10's of thousand VHS 2 https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uPzRtWd5X4c/hqdefault.jpg assault rifles head to tow combat equipment.

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sj

pre 7 godina

International agreements don't mean anything to thugs like Erdogan and Putin.
(LK, 12 May 2016 17:24)
Actually, the Russians have so far stayed within international norms unlike the US aka Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya. Remember that the US attacked Afghanistan on the pretext that Osama did 9/11, which was utter crap and invaded Iraq because Saddam had chemical weapons, which was also utter crap.
This was done without UN approval and when the mess became too big ran back to the UNSC to pass resolutions to cover its arse – except for Syria, they created ISIS to do their dirty work.
I would not place Turkey in the big boys league. It’s only a water boy on the side lines of the big game. 2016 is turning out to be annus horribilis for Turkey and it’s not going to improve so playing silly games with Russia could turn out even worse for old Mustafa.
Would Mustafa do if the Russians provide the Kurds with modern weapons against Turkey? No more Turkey. Tread carefully Mustafa.

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Sreten

pre 7 godina

We are all getting very tired of NATO rants about Russia, and especially propaganda language they are using.

Consider this:

Few weeks ago Russian planes did fly-by of USS Donald Cook (heavily armed guided-missile destroyer) in Baltic Sea at about 70 nautical miles from Russian territory.

Numerous statements from Western civil and military officials followed.

Unnamed US military official "most aggressive interactions in recent memory." AGGRESSIVE.

U.S. Representative J. Randy Forbes, who chairs the House Armed Services subcommittee on seapower. ""U.S. naval activity in Europe must be expanded accordingly to address the aggressive threat posed by Russia's international behavior." AGGRESSIVE THREAT.

Poland's Defense Minister Antoni Macierewicz ""We cannot treat this as anything else than provocation, yet another example of aggressive intentions towards NATO, towards the United States, towards Poland," AGGRESSIVE INTENTIONS.

I could quote dozen others.
They all stress that ship was in INTERNATIONAL WATERS and that Russia had no right of fly-by.
Yesterday, things were other way around. 3 Russian transport planes (unarmed IL-76) were flying in INTERNATIONAL AIRSPACE , but near Estonia. British Typhoons did a fly-by. Aggression? Yes, of course. Russian, of course.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/13/typhoon-jets-intercept-russian-planes-that-committed-act-of-aggression

How can you be taken seriously?

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Billy Why visiting New Orleans

pre 7 godina

What east Texas trailer park did you come from? Please, you're an embarrassment to Texas.
(LK, 12 May 2016 18:49)

The only embarrassment to Texas that I am aware of are the Bush family and the Yankee horses that they rode on. Other than that,the Albanians that the Clintons stiffed us with.
Autres questions?

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas Turkish Kurdistan will serve the neocon’s interests

They are almost Communists and besides they have never stopped their contacts with USSR/Russia so our influence on them is much bigger. Besides Turkish and Syrian Kurds is one people with no questions asked. Unlike the Iraqian of Barzani that are closer to the Iranian Kurds. Russia’s rating has increased during the Syrian operation. Besides via Assad and Iran we supply them with good arms today. Kurds are traditionally friendly people to the Russians. You won’t believe but I have to tell it to you that the 3 branches of this people were formed by the Russian Cossacks who stayed there and married local women. But the Cossacks and the local women differed. So the 3 sorts of Kurds appeared. Initial name of theirs was halq-i Horde = people of the Horde. But later it was transformed to halq-i Kurde = Kurdish people. If you see their happlogroups you'll find much of the R1a and R1b Slavic Y-DNA and G2a of the Northern Caucasians. We have a very active Kurdish diaspora here. I know some of their leaders and many of them hide here from the Turkish, Iranian, Italian and other authorities. You will be surprised but when the head of the Russian Mafia Ded Hassan (Yezid) was killed several years ago it was discussed long by Kurds in the 4 ME countries.

P.S. It’s a great pity you never say good bye if you fail to persuade someone - Oldenburgs' tradition.

http://www.b92.net/eng/comments.php?nav_id=97925

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LK

pre 7 godina

"It's time for America to become great again and for The Donald to show you freeloaders what great building is all about--Texas style-- where everything is bigger than huge.
(110%, 12 May 2016 18:17) "

What east Texas trailer park did you come from? Please, you're an embarrassment to Texas.

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110%

pre 7 godina

Erdogan warns NATO Black Sea has become "Russian lake"
NATO is not deploying enough assets to the Black Sea, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said, according to RT.

If y'all are worried about the dang Russians so much, then do something about it instead of waiting for more freeloading from the US.
While y'all are building up your infrastructures and building amazing and fantastic buildings, tunnels, bridges, airports and restoring palaces, y'all could be building some more defense for yourselves. That is if y'all are so worried about Russia, which I'm not. I'm worried about ISIS which y'all helped to create and don't want to go all out to eradicate.
Besides, I love building sh*t myself, In fact I was born to build, but as y'all know, that takes huge amounts of $s. So quit your whining and grow up, cause your freeloading days are over.
They be gone with the dumb Bushes, slick and crooked Clintons and appeasing Obamas. As far as I'm concerned, they can all go and crawl back into the Saudi's and who ever else's arses
they been kissing, while neglecting their own people and their country's infrastructure.
It's time for America to become great again and for The Donald to show you freeloaders what great building is all about--Texas style-- where everything is bigger than huge.

P.S.If y'all don't start spending your own money for a great defense and don't start chipping in
more troops, soon, y'all be on your own.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

Turkish forces have killed 3,000 Islamic State militants in Syria and Iraq, Erdogan said during the conference

Erdogan is not only paranoid but also a compulsive liar. ISIS has never been attacked by Turkish forces. In fact it is being fed and kept alive by Erdoğan, and his intelligence service in pursuit of Erdoğan’s Neo-Ottoman Empire fantasies that stretch all the way to China, Syria and Iraq.Fidan- the Turkish chief of intelligence MIT was quoted saying “ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that we cannot eradicate a well-organized and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalité and thwart Vladimir Putin's plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries”
There are already hints in the Turkish press from Erdogan’s media circles apportioning the failure of Turkey’s Syria police on the shoulders of ex-premier Davutoglu.I won’t be surprised if Turkey is targeted for possible break-up balkanisation. The creation of an independent Kurdistan in Northern Iraq and subsequently encompassing the Turkish Kurdistan will serve the neocon’s interests in the middle East.

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rote

pre 7 godina

The context of Erdogan’s nervousness is the developments in Ukraine, Syria and Turkey itself. Ukraine is close to a collapse so he is sending arms there. Yesterday two echelons of Turkish armored machines arrived to Donbass. But it cannot save the Ukrainian army unwilling to fight the Russians. In Syria Turkey openly supplies Jabhat an-Nusra (Al Qaeda) activated in Aleppo. Inside Turkey Kurds are widening their resistance to a civil war level. Nowhere Erdogan has any achievements. Even EU started to bark back. Russian and most of the EU tourists forgot about Turkey. Russia closed the remaining imports from Turkey ect. So he is nervous to talk about the Russian lake. In fact the Black see almost always was Russian. The name Black Sea as well (as the Red square and many other toponames) is a result of misinterpreteation of the Russian Чермное море = Червонное море = Красное море = Красивое море = Beautiful Sea. Most of the sea was controlled by the Russians or their allies. Such were the Ottomans or the Trebizond and Nicaea Empires, Bulgar Great Princedom that included all of the Balkans. And it explains why the peninsula was called the White Khan – Bal Kan and why the Black Sea was called Russian in the medieval past. In fact it was just one of the names of the Black Sea. Say during Byzantine they also called it a Greek Sea as they never settled far from the shore.

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LK

pre 7 godina

Turkey could not wipe its nose let alone take on Russia. As for closing the Bosphorus at the drop of a hat, they can’t do that either. There are international agreements that put a stop to that thought.
(sj, 12 May 2016 16:25)

International agreements don't mean anything to thugs like Erdogan and Putin.

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EU Dude

pre 7 godina

If only Alija Izetbegovic would have been alive still, he and Pasha Erdogan would have got on famously, which is no surprise as they both have a lot in common.

Erdogan is fast turning in to a liability for the West. His PM Davutgolu gone, rumblings in the ruling AKP, the opposition and elsewhere. But, there's always a glorious war against the Kurds to help the people rally around him (taking tips from Izetbegovic).

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sj

pre 7 godina

Turkey could not wipe its nose let alone take on Russia. As for closing the Bosphorus at the drop of a hat, they can’t do that either. There are international agreements that put a stop to that thought.
The only time Turkey can close that stretch of water is in time of war. So at the behest of the US, Turkey shot down the Russian jet to provoke an incident to give Ankara the excuse to shut it down and stop the flow of Russian arms, equipment and military personnel to Syria.
There was another incident back in the 1990s when Turkey wanted to close the Bosphorus which I can’t recall what it was about, but Russia prevailed after it was rumoured to have told Ankara we travel through the Bosphorus or over Turkey's ashes.
Today, Turkey would be bereft of any intelligence to pull that stunt, particular since NATO members refused to support Turkey over the shooting down of that jet, and even more so with the extremely poor condition of the US military.

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Swan

pre 7 godina

That's right Recep because it's all their turf. Can you dig it sucker,can u dig it?? They's going to make it all the way back to Coney (Constantinople). It was a much nicer name before anyway!!

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LK

pre 7 godina

The Black Sea is strategically one of the worst military ports in the world. Turkey can easily turn it into a Lake by shutting down/blocking the Bosphorus or Dardenelles if push came to shove. Also, Erdogan is a loser from the past like Putin.

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sj

pre 7 godina

Your talking to the wind. Here is the backbone of NATO.

http://www.aei.org/publication/readiness-tracker-volume-2-unsustainable-path/

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Swan

pre 7 godina

That's right Recep because it's all their turf. Can you dig it sucker,can u dig it?? They's going to make it all the way back to Coney (Constantinople). It was a much nicer name before anyway!!

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sj

pre 7 godina

Turkey could not wipe its nose let alone take on Russia. As for closing the Bosphorus at the drop of a hat, they can’t do that either. There are international agreements that put a stop to that thought.
The only time Turkey can close that stretch of water is in time of war. So at the behest of the US, Turkey shot down the Russian jet to provoke an incident to give Ankara the excuse to shut it down and stop the flow of Russian arms, equipment and military personnel to Syria.
There was another incident back in the 1990s when Turkey wanted to close the Bosphorus which I can’t recall what it was about, but Russia prevailed after it was rumoured to have told Ankara we travel through the Bosphorus or over Turkey's ashes.
Today, Turkey would be bereft of any intelligence to pull that stunt, particular since NATO members refused to support Turkey over the shooting down of that jet, and even more so with the extremely poor condition of the US military.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

Turkish forces have killed 3,000 Islamic State militants in Syria and Iraq, Erdogan said during the conference

Erdogan is not only paranoid but also a compulsive liar. ISIS has never been attacked by Turkish forces. In fact it is being fed and kept alive by Erdoğan, and his intelligence service in pursuit of Erdoğan’s Neo-Ottoman Empire fantasies that stretch all the way to China, Syria and Iraq.Fidan- the Turkish chief of intelligence MIT was quoted saying “ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that we cannot eradicate a well-organized and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalité and thwart Vladimir Putin's plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries”
There are already hints in the Turkish press from Erdogan’s media circles apportioning the failure of Turkey’s Syria police on the shoulders of ex-premier Davutoglu.I won’t be surprised if Turkey is targeted for possible break-up balkanisation. The creation of an independent Kurdistan in Northern Iraq and subsequently encompassing the Turkish Kurdistan will serve the neocon’s interests in the middle East.

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EU Dude

pre 7 godina

If only Alija Izetbegovic would have been alive still, he and Pasha Erdogan would have got on famously, which is no surprise as they both have a lot in common.

Erdogan is fast turning in to a liability for the West. His PM Davutgolu gone, rumblings in the ruling AKP, the opposition and elsewhere. But, there's always a glorious war against the Kurds to help the people rally around him (taking tips from Izetbegovic).

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110%

pre 7 godina

Erdogan warns NATO Black Sea has become "Russian lake"
NATO is not deploying enough assets to the Black Sea, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said, according to RT.

If y'all are worried about the dang Russians so much, then do something about it instead of waiting for more freeloading from the US.
While y'all are building up your infrastructures and building amazing and fantastic buildings, tunnels, bridges, airports and restoring palaces, y'all could be building some more defense for yourselves. That is if y'all are so worried about Russia, which I'm not. I'm worried about ISIS which y'all helped to create and don't want to go all out to eradicate.
Besides, I love building sh*t myself, In fact I was born to build, but as y'all know, that takes huge amounts of $s. So quit your whining and grow up, cause your freeloading days are over.
They be gone with the dumb Bushes, slick and crooked Clintons and appeasing Obamas. As far as I'm concerned, they can all go and crawl back into the Saudi's and who ever else's arses
they been kissing, while neglecting their own people and their country's infrastructure.
It's time for America to become great again and for The Donald to show you freeloaders what great building is all about--Texas style-- where everything is bigger than huge.

P.S.If y'all don't start spending your own money for a great defense and don't start chipping in
more troops, soon, y'all be on your own.

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rote

pre 7 godina

The context of Erdogan’s nervousness is the developments in Ukraine, Syria and Turkey itself. Ukraine is close to a collapse so he is sending arms there. Yesterday two echelons of Turkish armored machines arrived to Donbass. But it cannot save the Ukrainian army unwilling to fight the Russians. In Syria Turkey openly supplies Jabhat an-Nusra (Al Qaeda) activated in Aleppo. Inside Turkey Kurds are widening their resistance to a civil war level. Nowhere Erdogan has any achievements. Even EU started to bark back. Russian and most of the EU tourists forgot about Turkey. Russia closed the remaining imports from Turkey ect. So he is nervous to talk about the Russian lake. In fact the Black see almost always was Russian. The name Black Sea as well (as the Red square and many other toponames) is a result of misinterpreteation of the Russian Чермное море = Червонное море = Красное море = Красивое море = Beautiful Sea. Most of the sea was controlled by the Russians or their allies. Such were the Ottomans or the Trebizond and Nicaea Empires, Bulgar Great Princedom that included all of the Balkans. And it explains why the peninsula was called the White Khan – Bal Kan and why the Black Sea was called Russian in the medieval past. In fact it was just one of the names of the Black Sea. Say during Byzantine they also called it a Greek Sea as they never settled far from the shore.

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LK

pre 7 godina

The Black Sea is strategically one of the worst military ports in the world. Turkey can easily turn it into a Lake by shutting down/blocking the Bosphorus or Dardenelles if push came to shove. Also, Erdogan is a loser from the past like Putin.

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sj

pre 7 godina

Your talking to the wind. Here is the backbone of NATO.

http://www.aei.org/publication/readiness-tracker-volume-2-unsustainable-path/

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Sreten

pre 7 godina

We are all getting very tired of NATO rants about Russia, and especially propaganda language they are using.

Consider this:

Few weeks ago Russian planes did fly-by of USS Donald Cook (heavily armed guided-missile destroyer) in Baltic Sea at about 70 nautical miles from Russian territory.

Numerous statements from Western civil and military officials followed.

Unnamed US military official "most aggressive interactions in recent memory." AGGRESSIVE.

U.S. Representative J. Randy Forbes, who chairs the House Armed Services subcommittee on seapower. ""U.S. naval activity in Europe must be expanded accordingly to address the aggressive threat posed by Russia's international behavior." AGGRESSIVE THREAT.

Poland's Defense Minister Antoni Macierewicz ""We cannot treat this as anything else than provocation, yet another example of aggressive intentions towards NATO, towards the United States, towards Poland," AGGRESSIVE INTENTIONS.

I could quote dozen others.
They all stress that ship was in INTERNATIONAL WATERS and that Russia had no right of fly-by.
Yesterday, things were other way around. 3 Russian transport planes (unarmed IL-76) were flying in INTERNATIONAL AIRSPACE , but near Estonia. British Typhoons did a fly-by. Aggression? Yes, of course. Russian, of course.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/13/typhoon-jets-intercept-russian-planes-that-committed-act-of-aggression

How can you be taken seriously?

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

P.S. It’s a great pity you never say good bye if you fail to persuade someone - Oldenburgs' tradition.

[link]
(rote,

This article -if you haven't noticed-is about Erdogan and not Fomenko's pseudo-history.I would have engaged with you hadn't you continued -in Fomenko's tradition- of being selective and ignoring raised questions.As I mentioned to you before,Fomenko's new chronology is not only pure B...s..t but also Russo-centric and this is why they'e marketed to the Russian audience and not to Western ones-no questions asked.

As to Oldebergs -that's a lollipop for you to justify your nonsense.They're presented as some kind of gods on earth by being everywhere in the world at the same time and manipulating every single human being.Enjoy your conspiracy theories!

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LK

pre 7 godina

"It's time for America to become great again and for The Donald to show you freeloaders what great building is all about--Texas style-- where everything is bigger than huge.
(110%, 12 May 2016 18:17) "

What east Texas trailer park did you come from? Please, you're an embarrassment to Texas.

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sj

pre 7 godina

International agreements don't mean anything to thugs like Erdogan and Putin.
(LK, 12 May 2016 17:24)
Actually, the Russians have so far stayed within international norms unlike the US aka Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya. Remember that the US attacked Afghanistan on the pretext that Osama did 9/11, which was utter crap and invaded Iraq because Saddam had chemical weapons, which was also utter crap.
This was done without UN approval and when the mess became too big ran back to the UNSC to pass resolutions to cover its arse – except for Syria, they created ISIS to do their dirty work.
I would not place Turkey in the big boys league. It’s only a water boy on the side lines of the big game. 2016 is turning out to be annus horribilis for Turkey and it’s not going to improve so playing silly games with Russia could turn out even worse for old Mustafa.
Would Mustafa do if the Russians provide the Kurds with modern weapons against Turkey? No more Turkey. Tread carefully Mustafa.

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LK

pre 7 godina

Turkey could not wipe its nose let alone take on Russia. As for closing the Bosphorus at the drop of a hat, they can’t do that either. There are international agreements that put a stop to that thought.
(sj, 12 May 2016 16:25)

International agreements don't mean anything to thugs like Erdogan and Putin.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas Turkish Kurdistan will serve the neocon’s interests

They are almost Communists and besides they have never stopped their contacts with USSR/Russia so our influence on them is much bigger. Besides Turkish and Syrian Kurds is one people with no questions asked. Unlike the Iraqian of Barzani that are closer to the Iranian Kurds. Russia’s rating has increased during the Syrian operation. Besides via Assad and Iran we supply them with good arms today. Kurds are traditionally friendly people to the Russians. You won’t believe but I have to tell it to you that the 3 branches of this people were formed by the Russian Cossacks who stayed there and married local women. But the Cossacks and the local women differed. So the 3 sorts of Kurds appeared. Initial name of theirs was halq-i Horde = people of the Horde. But later it was transformed to halq-i Kurde = Kurdish people. If you see their happlogroups you'll find much of the R1a and R1b Slavic Y-DNA and G2a of the Northern Caucasians. We have a very active Kurdish diaspora here. I know some of their leaders and many of them hide here from the Turkish, Iranian, Italian and other authorities. You will be surprised but when the head of the Russian Mafia Ded Hassan (Yezid) was killed several years ago it was discussed long by Kurds in the 4 ME countries.

P.S. It’s a great pity you never say good bye if you fail to persuade someone - Oldenburgs' tradition.

http://www.b92.net/eng/comments.php?nav_id=97925

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Billy Why visiting New Orleans

pre 7 godina

What east Texas trailer park did you come from? Please, you're an embarrassment to Texas.
(LK, 12 May 2016 18:49)

The only embarrassment to Texas that I am aware of are the Bush family and the Yankee horses that they rode on. Other than that,the Albanians that the Clintons stiffed us with.
Autres questions?

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Lenard

pre 7 godina

3000 you say Croatians wiped out 30,000 Serb Fascist Chetniks just in Bosnia. Never even mind the Serb fascist losers in Croatia in 1990's. Kurds are the ancient Medes and Croatia is arming them with 10's of thousand VHS 2 https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uPzRtWd5X4c/hqdefault.jpg assault rifles head to tow combat equipment.

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Dwight

pre 7 godina

Sreten, there is some merit to your argument but you are not comparing like with like.

The flyby of USS Donald Cook is aggressive and dangerous without a doubt. Similar to someone swinging a fist at you and then stopping just before they hit you. Maybe not illegal, just aggressive and dangerous. You dont know if they are going to stop and if you were to strike that person, it would be considered self-defence.

Yes, these mentioned planes were in international aispace but were unresponsive, with no identification and flying towards estonia, this is different from flying parrallel to a border with transponder switched on and answering calls for identification. Do you think Russia would not scramble jets and talk of agression if a German airplane in silent mode made a beeline for the Russia border, refusing all chances to identify itself?
If you were in command of your countries defence, what would you do about a non-responsive plane flying towards your country? Most countries give fair warning to a plane before shooting it down, maybe pilot has fainted, maybe lost, perhaps the plane is damaged, at what stage would you take action? Get it wrong and you could either shoot down a plane that simply has a damaged radio or alternatively show you are weak by allowing a foreign unidentified plane into your airspace.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

1.The population of more than 70 ancient Greek cities was 2 million people and therefore it wasn’t difficult to raise an Army of 40000 and 6000 cavalry.The weapon used by the phalangites was the sarissa, and not the sword.The royal palaces unearhed in Greece,Iran,Egypt and Pakistan plus the 5000 Ancient Macedonian inscriptions are more than a single proof.What’s next to say –the Oldebergs Built those palaces and buried them for Greeks to find them?
2.Medieval Greek was a continuation of Koine(Ancient) whereas modern Greek is a continuation of the Byzantine or Ecclesiastical one as we call them.
3.According to you the Ottomans lasted just one century because the original ones were Russians. How on earth did they manage to build all those ancient Greek and Roman monuments?
4.If scientists (including Russian ones)can declare to the world that the earth is 4.5 billion years old or the Dinausaurs died 170 million years ago i am sure they can determine the age of an ancient monument.

5 It seems to me that you’re bothered by the fact that Euclides,Pythagoras and Archimedes were Greek and not Russian.Have you ever wondered why modern mathematics use Greek letters? Check the Microsoft word on your computer ,you’ll find few Greek letters there.
7. Our alphabet goes back 5000 years whereas yours (the one we gave you)only 1000.Russia is as much a part of Viking history as the Norman conquest of England or the settlement of Iceland and Greenland.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas: Enjoy your conspiracy theories!


CONSPIRACY IS :

1/ When 0,02% of the population of the Earth WITHOUT A SINGLE PROOF insist that they had seized half the world bare footed with their short swords and without enough horses.

2/ When a people that has 3 languages (ancient, medieval and modern) closes it eyes at the evident fact that the ancient and the modern are the same and the medieaval language in fact is the oldest. Because if they admit this their history will be ruined.

3/ When “Turkish” (in fact Roman) monuments WITHOUT A SINGLE PROOF are exposed as belonging to those who control the liberated lands of Latina/Ladina.

4/ When medieval monuments of the first Christians (including the Greeks) WITHOUT A SINGLE PROOF are declared as ancient ones belonging to only one people.

5/ When WITHOUT A SINGLE PROOF someone insists on the idiotic hypothesis that some ancient mathematicians could work with figures like LIXXVIMLVILXII.

6/ When someone laughs at the icons made by his fellow painters under his fellow patriarchs.

7/ When someone believes that 2 liters of water can be poured in a 1 liter bottle otherwise alphabet of 42 letters could be made out of an alphabet of 24 letters.

ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

I know little about Alexander but what I do know stops me thinking that he had anything to do with Greece
Rote

I know by now that you don't read world history nevertheless here is aa quote for you to learn:
"It should be noted that there is NO CONNECTION between the Macedonians of the time of Alexander the Great who were a GREEK tribe and today's
so-called 'macedonians' of the 'Former Yugoslav Republic of macedonia' or
FYROM, who are of SLAVIC origin and related to BULGARIANS." -
David H Levinson, 'The Encyclopaedia of Ancient Cultures'

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

It all reminds me an episode from a Russian comedy

You remind me an exchange that I had three years ago with a Fyromian guy who posted a link on this site implying that his country was the first one created by god. When I come to think about your own claims that Jesus was a Russian/Slav it follows that you both belong to the same club.

Leonidas looks like the funny and fake history written for in 18-19 centuries

I ‘ve never claimed that history is written exactly as it happened. On the other hand I cannot ignore he millions of relics from the past or historiography neither the opinion of thousands of past and present historians and archaeologists as you do by branding everything the work of the Oldebergs.

the Greeks weren’t the only source of democracy

I’ve never discussed democracy with you on this site and I don’t know where your claim comes from .

Thought you were smarter.

Smartness is not equal to insanity.

I promise you to do my best for revealing the true history on this site

I’ll look forward to it but I think it’s your usual waffle.

I feel a slightest insult or a hint I’ll take no prisoners .

The trouble with scary people is everyone's too scared to tell them how scary they are.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas : As to Oldebergs -that's a lollipop for you to justify your nonsense. … is not only pure B...s..t but also Russo-centric

You don’t even know the family name of your royal dynasty. They always put St.George’s cross on their flags. See the Greek, the Union Jack, Swedish, Finnish, the Russian Guys, flags of Denmark, Norway and of Hitler ect. Before 1261 the world was Tsargrad-centric and only between 1345-1613 it was controlled by the Rus. You can see it in the multiple names all over the world BRUSSELS, PRUSSIA, BORUSSIA, ROUSSILLION, RUSSEL, ROUSSOS, ROSSINI, ROSSI, ROSSIUS, RUSSEFF, ROUSSEEAU, UROS, BYELORUSSIA, MALOROSSIA, FORT ROSS … Only the blind fail to see it.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

Rote
Your pathetic,indoctrinated paranoia is freaking’hilarious to anyone with higher than a 2nd Grade education.You try to make a case about the former royal family imposed upon the Greeks after independence by the British,French and Russia which lasted for 135 years yet you keep silent about Russia’s past.Have you forgotten about the Viking king Vladimir and his Rus tribe you got your name from? His descendants ruled over you for six centuries-a period which Fomenko tries to dress as the Great Horde which was nothing else but Mongol Tribes. As the distinguished Russian archaeologist, Valentin Yanin,said about Fomenko “ He’s an embarrassment and a potent symbol of the depths to which the Russian academy and society have generally sunk ... since the fall of Communism" He also says that Fomenko “ tried in keeping alive an imperial consciousness and secular messianism in Russia".

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas

I’ve spent several years in Iran and Afghanistan and I know their histories and their languages to say nothing of the former USSR states. It’s crazy to think that miserable 46 000 army with bronze armament could control those vast territories. It wouldn’t be enough even to defend the supply routes if any. Plus they built 33 never found cities … Much bigger armies of the USSR/USA failed to control even Afghanistan. I know little about Alexander but what I do know stops me thinking that he had anything to do with Greece. A too small people living too far from the region. that's why I asked you not to mention Macedonians because they weren’t Greeks as I believe. Should you say that the Macedonians seized Asia without the Greeks it would be more realistic because there were no nations before 17 century while the Slavs were the biggest ethnic group of the ancient times. And you can see it in the Happlogroups of the Pashtuns and the Iranians/Tadjiks. Slavs weren’t sitting on the trees as you think but had states and culture of their own. I have more proof of it than you can imagine now. Also in 11-12 centuries our regions were femes of the Byzantine and there was a big cultural exchange. Then in 1182 Greek/Slav Andronicus I Komnin aka Andrey Bogoliubski became emperor of Byzantine - read Nikitha Honiat the official chronologist of their empire. So the Ottomans were something more realistic we could talk about. Besides it was a joint project of the Slavs and the Greek.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas

When you mention ancient manuscripts make sure that they are not copies because 99,9% of what we are shown are copies or copies of the copies. Usually they made adopted copies before destroying inconvenient documents. Most cleaned is the Russian history as it was a matter of life for the Romanovs and their German masters. According to Fomenko original Peter-1 was killed during his trip to Europe in 1698. Two years later another man came instead. He looked alike but was 34 sm taller. Many Russians digged out proof of it. After that none of the Russian Tsars had a spot of Russian blood. Mentally most Russian was Nicolas II and during his visit to Japan he was injured heavily and his bloody handkerchief was always kept in the Imperial Museum. Few years ago Russia asked it for Y-Dna analysis of the remnants of the dead bodies that were supposed to belong to the Tsar family. They were not as the Tsar family was not executed. But experts have found out that there was not a drop of a Russian blood in Nicolas II. It had only “German” R1b Y-DNA. In fact R1b is also Slavic but not Russian anyway. So the Russian history looks as:

-Before 1613 period of the Rurikovici Dynasty that ruled the world.
-1613-1698 Sobakins-Yurievs called themselves the Romanovs who ruled one of the several Russian states.
-1700-1917 Oldenburgs who also used the Romanovs’ trademark.

Now we can move to the Ottomans.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas I believe that most important chronology of the Ottomans is :

In 1152 Andronicus I Komnin aka Andrey Bogoliubsky aka Apostle Andrew aka Jesus Christ was born in Crimea, Chufut Kale. As a Komnin he was a Sevast so this place was called Sevastopol.

In 1183 being co-emperor of Trabesund he moved his army to Jerusalem aka Troja aka Tsar Grad aka Vishegrad. People in the then capitol of the world greeted him and so he entered the city to rule here for the next 3 years.

In 1185 Andronicus/Christ was executed. It caused and immediate reaction of the Ruricovici dynasty to which he also belonged and it was the first Crusader war. Then came 3 others until in 1204 during the last Crusader war the Russians seized and destroyed Tsar Grad. They killed all the Angels whom they found because it was Christ’s cousin Manuil II Angel who killed him to seize power. Yet some of the Angels managed to run to their homeland Armenia and to England. In old manuscripts both England and the Angels were written as ANGL. The Russians abandoned the city until 1261 when it was seized for centuries.

In 1185 death of Christ initiated the Trojan/Troy aka Gothic war that lasted till 1345. It was a chain of wars where all Europeans were involved. The war was led in the Black Sea and the Mediterranean until in 1318 the young Russian kniaz/Khan Yuri/Georgy Danilovic aka St.George aka Genghis Khan decided to strike the head of the Latin snake and headed his cavalry army to Europe. b92 - thanks!

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas

In 1325 Georgy the Great Khan was poisoned but his younger brother Ivan Danilovic aka Bati Khan/Vati Can aka Prester John aka Calif finished the job and by 1345 100% of Europe was colonized. Then he moved his Horde to Asia and Africa to colonize them without meeting any resistance.

In 1370 his young son and the Great Kniaz/Khan Dmitry-1 Ivanovic aka Sultan Murad-1 aka Constantine-1 the Great inspired by his Godfather St.Sergy Radonezhsky put a formal end to the Royal/Family Christianity that dominated since 1185. Those were the First Christians aka the Pagans. With the help of their Greek Brahmans they developed the idea that as they belonged to the same dynasty as Jesus they too were gods. So they wrote those fairy tales that formed the Greek culture lately. Most of the legendary heroes were real people though medieval.

Other Rurikovici did not like the idea of the young Great Khan and the 45 year civil war started. Every 2-3 years there was a big fight until in 1380 on Kulikovo field a General battle was led in Moscow. Kniaz Dmitry took the upper hand and was called Donskoy ever since. Then he made two important things – moved the religious capitol of the empire back to Jerusalem/Tsargrad and called it Constantinople in his own honor. He took his Greek Patriarch and moved to Bosphorus. He also established Vatican as regional Orthodox center for Europe. Place was chosen because his fater Ivan/Baty Khan had his headquaters there during the colonization.

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rote

pre 7 godina

LEONIDAS

In 1389 during one of the battles of the civil war the Great Khan Dmitry as if Sultan Murad-1 was killed on Kosovo Field. 23 years later after the Angora/Ankara battle his son Vasily-1 aka Bayased-1 was captured and executed by Tamerlane. All including Serbs were Russians as it was a family matter of the Ruricovici. Tamerlane had no chance because only his wife was a Rurikovici while he was an Ural Cossack so none of the Hordes would support him.

By 1415 both biggest Hordes (the main White in Veliki Novgorod and the Golden in Kazan ) got tired of the war than none of them could win. So they stood on Ugra River without a clash. There they shook hands and it put an end to the civil war. Peace enabled them to bring to order some of their vassals who felt free during the war. So the united Slavic army moved to reconquer Europe.

By 1445 the order was restored but new contradictions arose between the descendants of Dmitry Donskoy who lived in Constantinople and those Rurikovici who stayed in Russia. The Greek Patriarch flew from Veliki Novgorod to Constantinople that aggravated the situation.

The Great Horde sent a joint army to siege Constantinople and in 1453 Tverskoy Kniaz/Khan Mehmet II aka Prophet Mohammad seized the city. All their trophies he sent to Veliki Novgorod. But for the next 28 years he was a formal head of the ruling family and the Great Horde so Novgorod/Habsburgs made him gifts. But after he passed away everything became routine.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonid/as

I hereby finish my short chronology of what can be concerned the Ottomans. So if you are still here please read the previous posts first. Otherwise you will not have a plain picture again.

In 1484 a severe Bubonic plague epidemic killed millions in Europe. It reached the Great Khan’s Court in V.Novgorod and because of the famous Roman roads the disease was fast spreading all over the empire. Worst was the situation in Britain, Spain, France, Holland, west of German lands, Italy and the Balkans. It was decided to clean those territories so a great Cossack expedition was sent there in 1485. They killed millions and buried or burnt everybody not necessarily ill … No matter if those were local peoples or the Russian Cossacks deployed there during the previous colonization. This expedition was reflected in the Bible as Apocalypses. The cleaned territories were inhabited by new Horde’s men. In Russian history it was reflected as "раздача новгородских земель" not even mentioned in Wikipedia. I guess that most of the current peoples of the Balkans arrived to the peninsula at that period. So I feel irritation when they speak of the ancient times. In 16 century during Suleiman and Ivan Grozny relations between the Great Horde and the Tver Horde aka Atamania were still good. It was then that Suleiman has built the Hagia Sophia Church. But in Europe the Reformation epidemic increased and they were in plot contacts with the Kazan Tsardom.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas

So in 1552 Ivan IV destroyed Kazan and prepared expedition to Europe. Parallel to it Suleiman moved to central Europe and occupied Buda Pest and Vienna. But in 1563 Ivan refused from power and became юродивый (saint). It enabled the Lutheran Romanovs seize power for 12 years of Oprichnina. They undermined the Russian efforts so the 30 year Livonian War against greater part of Europe gave no results. In 1572 Suleiman tried to restore the legal Ruricovici power sending his Janissaries to help the Crimea Khan Girey who like Suleiman was of the Ruricovici. But they were defeated in Molody Battle near Moscow because the German Russians again sent their troops to help their Romanovs puppets. Yet soon the power in the Horde was restored until 1584 when the last Ruricovici Tsar/Khan Simeon Bekbulatovic died. By that time Hernan Cortes in fact Yuri Vasilievic – younger brother of Ivan Grozny finished colonization of both Americas. Smuta/Disorder time lasted till 1613 when the Romanovs again seized the state power. Russia became a colony of the Oldenburgs for almost 3 century. Other Hordes refused to obey so the Romanovs controlled only several % of the Great Horde. The biggest of Russian states became the Great Tartaria that included Siberia and America with Tobolsk as the capitol. Next big were the Great Mogolia, China, Cathay Tartaria and Osmania. Since 1517 the Ottomans controlled also the Egyptian Horde (all Arab states) led by the Russian Cherkassy Mamelukes.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

I know little about Alexander but what I do know stops me thinking that he had anything to do with Greece
Rote

I know by now that you don't read world history nevertheless here is aa quote for you to learn:
"It should be noted that there is NO CONNECTION between the Macedonians of the time of Alexander the Great who were a GREEK tribe and today's
so-called 'macedonians' of the 'Former Yugoslav Republic of macedonia' or
FYROM, who are of SLAVIC origin and related to BULGARIANS." -
David H Levinson, 'The Encyclopaedia of Ancient Cultures'

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rote

pre 7 godina

LEONIDAS

So they were a real threat to the Reformatory but German Russians succeeded to make the two Russian states on their borders fight one another for 200 years. Each time the Romanovs needed military aid they received big armies from Europe. They spoke Russian and didn’t look like invaders. So was during the war of 17 century vs the Astrakhan Horde led by Stephan Razin and in 1773 when the Ottomans betrayed their Great Tartarian ally and signed a peace treaty. It enabled the Romanovs send their best troops under Alexander Suvorov to fight the “Pugachev’s” army. In 1775 Pugachev was defeated and the Oldenburgs creates the USA. But the traitor Ottomans were also punished rather soon. Now they had to withstand united Russia and Europe alone. After Suleiman Qanuni introduced Islam developed by his Grandpa Mehmet II the Great Porta became culturally a different world. They also lost technical competition and step after step they had to abandon France, Italy, Spain, Austria, Huingary and finally Balkans as the Mainland Ottomania the basic land and the main strong point of the Empire. In 18 century the Sultans followed their people and became Muslims and they spoke Osmani language that in fact was a version of Persian mixed with local dialects. Oldenburgs who mostly controlled Europe in 18-19 centuries provoked the Christians to rebel. They didn’t care them but they needed to destroy the empire and avenge for their centuries old insults.They took only Greece as a trophy

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

-Before 1613 period of the Rurikovici Dynasty that ruled the world.

(rote

In Fomenko's and your imagination.The Rurik dynasty( VLadimir's Viking descendants) ruled over Russia,Belarussia and Ukraine to some extend.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

Now we can move to the Ottomans.
(rote,

Read the Ottoman written history and the Byzantine one as written by 42 Greek Byzantine historians and then you can come back to me and engage on the subject.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

Should you say that the Macedonians seized Asia without the Greeks it would be more realistic because there were no nations before 17 century while the Slavs were the biggest ethnic group of the ancient times
Rote

There were no Slavs in the Balkans in the ancient times.When the Slavs arrived in the 6th AD there were no Macedonians.They thought of themselves as Christian Greek-speaking Roman (: Byzantine) citizens, and not because of any large-scale Roman colonization and consequent merger.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas

It all reminds me an episode from a Russian comedy film Shirly-Mirly ( Ширли-Мырли) about one anti-Semite :

- Mother as a Russian to a Russian tell me please – am I a Jew?

Leonidas looks like the funny and fake history written for in 18-19 centuries is so deep beneath your skin that you cannot even imagine that the Greeks weren’t the only source of democracy and knowledge. No other versions can be roomed in your head. Thought you were smarter. Your grandsons will have to study Fomenko and today you’ve missed a chance ask questions instead insulting. I promise you to do my best for revealing the true history on this site and next time I feel a slightest insult or a hint I’ll take no prisoners so best if you do not attract my attention. You will be first Greek whom I despise.

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LK

pre 7 godina

The Black Sea is strategically one of the worst military ports in the world. Turkey can easily turn it into a Lake by shutting down/blocking the Bosphorus or Dardenelles if push came to shove. Also, Erdogan is a loser from the past like Putin.

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rote

pre 7 godina

The context of Erdogan’s nervousness is the developments in Ukraine, Syria and Turkey itself. Ukraine is close to a collapse so he is sending arms there. Yesterday two echelons of Turkish armored machines arrived to Donbass. But it cannot save the Ukrainian army unwilling to fight the Russians. In Syria Turkey openly supplies Jabhat an-Nusra (Al Qaeda) activated in Aleppo. Inside Turkey Kurds are widening their resistance to a civil war level. Nowhere Erdogan has any achievements. Even EU started to bark back. Russian and most of the EU tourists forgot about Turkey. Russia closed the remaining imports from Turkey ect. So he is nervous to talk about the Russian lake. In fact the Black see almost always was Russian. The name Black Sea as well (as the Red square and many other toponames) is a result of misinterpreteation of the Russian Чермное море = Червонное море = Красное море = Красивое море = Beautiful Sea. Most of the sea was controlled by the Russians or their allies. Such were the Ottomans or the Trebizond and Nicaea Empires, Bulgar Great Princedom that included all of the Balkans. And it explains why the peninsula was called the White Khan – Bal Kan and why the Black Sea was called Russian in the medieval past. In fact it was just one of the names of the Black Sea. Say during Byzantine they also called it a Greek Sea as they never settled far from the shore.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas Turkish Kurdistan will serve the neocon’s interests

They are almost Communists and besides they have never stopped their contacts with USSR/Russia so our influence on them is much bigger. Besides Turkish and Syrian Kurds is one people with no questions asked. Unlike the Iraqian of Barzani that are closer to the Iranian Kurds. Russia’s rating has increased during the Syrian operation. Besides via Assad and Iran we supply them with good arms today. Kurds are traditionally friendly people to the Russians. You won’t believe but I have to tell it to you that the 3 branches of this people were formed by the Russian Cossacks who stayed there and married local women. But the Cossacks and the local women differed. So the 3 sorts of Kurds appeared. Initial name of theirs was halq-i Horde = people of the Horde. But later it was transformed to halq-i Kurde = Kurdish people. If you see their happlogroups you'll find much of the R1a and R1b Slavic Y-DNA and G2a of the Northern Caucasians. We have a very active Kurdish diaspora here. I know some of their leaders and many of them hide here from the Turkish, Iranian, Italian and other authorities. You will be surprised but when the head of the Russian Mafia Ded Hassan (Yezid) was killed several years ago it was discussed long by Kurds in the 4 ME countries.

P.S. It’s a great pity you never say good bye if you fail to persuade someone - Oldenburgs' tradition.

http://www.b92.net/eng/comments.php?nav_id=97925

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Lenard

pre 7 godina

3000 you say Croatians wiped out 30,000 Serb Fascist Chetniks just in Bosnia. Never even mind the Serb fascist losers in Croatia in 1990's. Kurds are the ancient Medes and Croatia is arming them with 10's of thousand VHS 2 https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uPzRtWd5X4c/hqdefault.jpg assault rifles head to tow combat equipment.

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sj

pre 7 godina

Your talking to the wind. Here is the backbone of NATO.

http://www.aei.org/publication/readiness-tracker-volume-2-unsustainable-path/

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sj

pre 7 godina

Turkey could not wipe its nose let alone take on Russia. As for closing the Bosphorus at the drop of a hat, they can’t do that either. There are international agreements that put a stop to that thought.
The only time Turkey can close that stretch of water is in time of war. So at the behest of the US, Turkey shot down the Russian jet to provoke an incident to give Ankara the excuse to shut it down and stop the flow of Russian arms, equipment and military personnel to Syria.
There was another incident back in the 1990s when Turkey wanted to close the Bosphorus which I can’t recall what it was about, but Russia prevailed after it was rumoured to have told Ankara we travel through the Bosphorus or over Turkey's ashes.
Today, Turkey would be bereft of any intelligence to pull that stunt, particular since NATO members refused to support Turkey over the shooting down of that jet, and even more so with the extremely poor condition of the US military.

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LK

pre 7 godina

Turkey could not wipe its nose let alone take on Russia. As for closing the Bosphorus at the drop of a hat, they can’t do that either. There are international agreements that put a stop to that thought.
(sj, 12 May 2016 16:25)

International agreements don't mean anything to thugs like Erdogan and Putin.

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110%

pre 7 godina

Erdogan warns NATO Black Sea has become "Russian lake"
NATO is not deploying enough assets to the Black Sea, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said, according to RT.

If y'all are worried about the dang Russians so much, then do something about it instead of waiting for more freeloading from the US.
While y'all are building up your infrastructures and building amazing and fantastic buildings, tunnels, bridges, airports and restoring palaces, y'all could be building some more defense for yourselves. That is if y'all are so worried about Russia, which I'm not. I'm worried about ISIS which y'all helped to create and don't want to go all out to eradicate.
Besides, I love building sh*t myself, In fact I was born to build, but as y'all know, that takes huge amounts of $s. So quit your whining and grow up, cause your freeloading days are over.
They be gone with the dumb Bushes, slick and crooked Clintons and appeasing Obamas. As far as I'm concerned, they can all go and crawl back into the Saudi's and who ever else's arses
they been kissing, while neglecting their own people and their country's infrastructure.
It's time for America to become great again and for The Donald to show you freeloaders what great building is all about--Texas style-- where everything is bigger than huge.

P.S.If y'all don't start spending your own money for a great defense and don't start chipping in
more troops, soon, y'all be on your own.

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LK

pre 7 godina

"It's time for America to become great again and for The Donald to show you freeloaders what great building is all about--Texas style-- where everything is bigger than huge.
(110%, 12 May 2016 18:17) "

What east Texas trailer park did you come from? Please, you're an embarrassment to Texas.

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Dwight

pre 7 godina

Sreten, there is some merit to your argument but you are not comparing like with like.

The flyby of USS Donald Cook is aggressive and dangerous without a doubt. Similar to someone swinging a fist at you and then stopping just before they hit you. Maybe not illegal, just aggressive and dangerous. You dont know if they are going to stop and if you were to strike that person, it would be considered self-defence.

Yes, these mentioned planes were in international aispace but were unresponsive, with no identification and flying towards estonia, this is different from flying parrallel to a border with transponder switched on and answering calls for identification. Do you think Russia would not scramble jets and talk of agression if a German airplane in silent mode made a beeline for the Russia border, refusing all chances to identify itself?
If you were in command of your countries defence, what would you do about a non-responsive plane flying towards your country? Most countries give fair warning to a plane before shooting it down, maybe pilot has fainted, maybe lost, perhaps the plane is damaged, at what stage would you take action? Get it wrong and you could either shoot down a plane that simply has a damaged radio or alternatively show you are weak by allowing a foreign unidentified plane into your airspace.

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EU Dude

pre 7 godina

If only Alija Izetbegovic would have been alive still, he and Pasha Erdogan would have got on famously, which is no surprise as they both have a lot in common.

Erdogan is fast turning in to a liability for the West. His PM Davutgolu gone, rumblings in the ruling AKP, the opposition and elsewhere. But, there's always a glorious war against the Kurds to help the people rally around him (taking tips from Izetbegovic).

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas: Enjoy your conspiracy theories!


CONSPIRACY IS :

1/ When 0,02% of the population of the Earth WITHOUT A SINGLE PROOF insist that they had seized half the world bare footed with their short swords and without enough horses.

2/ When a people that has 3 languages (ancient, medieval and modern) closes it eyes at the evident fact that the ancient and the modern are the same and the medieaval language in fact is the oldest. Because if they admit this their history will be ruined.

3/ When “Turkish” (in fact Roman) monuments WITHOUT A SINGLE PROOF are exposed as belonging to those who control the liberated lands of Latina/Ladina.

4/ When medieval monuments of the first Christians (including the Greeks) WITHOUT A SINGLE PROOF are declared as ancient ones belonging to only one people.

5/ When WITHOUT A SINGLE PROOF someone insists on the idiotic hypothesis that some ancient mathematicians could work with figures like LIXXVIMLVILXII.

6/ When someone laughs at the icons made by his fellow painters under his fellow patriarchs.

7/ When someone believes that 2 liters of water can be poured in a 1 liter bottle otherwise alphabet of 42 letters could be made out of an alphabet of 24 letters.

ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect.

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Swan

pre 7 godina

That's right Recep because it's all their turf. Can you dig it sucker,can u dig it?? They's going to make it all the way back to Coney (Constantinople). It was a much nicer name before anyway!!

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Billy Why visiting New Orleans

pre 7 godina

What east Texas trailer park did you come from? Please, you're an embarrassment to Texas.
(LK, 12 May 2016 18:49)

The only embarrassment to Texas that I am aware of are the Bush family and the Yankee horses that they rode on. Other than that,the Albanians that the Clintons stiffed us with.
Autres questions?

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Sreten

pre 7 godina

We are all getting very tired of NATO rants about Russia, and especially propaganda language they are using.

Consider this:

Few weeks ago Russian planes did fly-by of USS Donald Cook (heavily armed guided-missile destroyer) in Baltic Sea at about 70 nautical miles from Russian territory.

Numerous statements from Western civil and military officials followed.

Unnamed US military official "most aggressive interactions in recent memory." AGGRESSIVE.

U.S. Representative J. Randy Forbes, who chairs the House Armed Services subcommittee on seapower. ""U.S. naval activity in Europe must be expanded accordingly to address the aggressive threat posed by Russia's international behavior." AGGRESSIVE THREAT.

Poland's Defense Minister Antoni Macierewicz ""We cannot treat this as anything else than provocation, yet another example of aggressive intentions towards NATO, towards the United States, towards Poland," AGGRESSIVE INTENTIONS.

I could quote dozen others.
They all stress that ship was in INTERNATIONAL WATERS and that Russia had no right of fly-by.
Yesterday, things were other way around. 3 Russian transport planes (unarmed IL-76) were flying in INTERNATIONAL AIRSPACE , but near Estonia. British Typhoons did a fly-by. Aggression? Yes, of course. Russian, of course.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/13/typhoon-jets-intercept-russian-planes-that-committed-act-of-aggression

How can you be taken seriously?

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

P.S. It’s a great pity you never say good bye if you fail to persuade someone - Oldenburgs' tradition.

[link]
(rote,

This article -if you haven't noticed-is about Erdogan and not Fomenko's pseudo-history.I would have engaged with you hadn't you continued -in Fomenko's tradition- of being selective and ignoring raised questions.As I mentioned to you before,Fomenko's new chronology is not only pure B...s..t but also Russo-centric and this is why they'e marketed to the Russian audience and not to Western ones-no questions asked.

As to Oldebergs -that's a lollipop for you to justify your nonsense.They're presented as some kind of gods on earth by being everywhere in the world at the same time and manipulating every single human being.Enjoy your conspiracy theories!

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

Turkish forces have killed 3,000 Islamic State militants in Syria and Iraq, Erdogan said during the conference

Erdogan is not only paranoid but also a compulsive liar. ISIS has never been attacked by Turkish forces. In fact it is being fed and kept alive by Erdoğan, and his intelligence service in pursuit of Erdoğan’s Neo-Ottoman Empire fantasies that stretch all the way to China, Syria and Iraq.Fidan- the Turkish chief of intelligence MIT was quoted saying “ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that we cannot eradicate a well-organized and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalité and thwart Vladimir Putin's plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries”
There are already hints in the Turkish press from Erdogan’s media circles apportioning the failure of Turkey’s Syria police on the shoulders of ex-premier Davutoglu.I won’t be surprised if Turkey is targeted for possible break-up balkanisation. The creation of an independent Kurdistan in Northern Iraq and subsequently encompassing the Turkish Kurdistan will serve the neocon’s interests in the middle East.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas

It all reminds me an episode from a Russian comedy film Shirly-Mirly ( Ширли-Мырли) about one anti-Semite :

- Mother as a Russian to a Russian tell me please – am I a Jew?

Leonidas looks like the funny and fake history written for in 18-19 centuries is so deep beneath your skin that you cannot even imagine that the Greeks weren’t the only source of democracy and knowledge. No other versions can be roomed in your head. Thought you were smarter. Your grandsons will have to study Fomenko and today you’ve missed a chance ask questions instead insulting. I promise you to do my best for revealing the true history on this site and next time I feel a slightest insult or a hint I’ll take no prisoners so best if you do not attract my attention. You will be first Greek whom I despise.

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sj

pre 7 godina

International agreements don't mean anything to thugs like Erdogan and Putin.
(LK, 12 May 2016 17:24)
Actually, the Russians have so far stayed within international norms unlike the US aka Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya. Remember that the US attacked Afghanistan on the pretext that Osama did 9/11, which was utter crap and invaded Iraq because Saddam had chemical weapons, which was also utter crap.
This was done without UN approval and when the mess became too big ran back to the UNSC to pass resolutions to cover its arse – except for Syria, they created ISIS to do their dirty work.
I would not place Turkey in the big boys league. It’s only a water boy on the side lines of the big game. 2016 is turning out to be annus horribilis for Turkey and it’s not going to improve so playing silly games with Russia could turn out even worse for old Mustafa.
Would Mustafa do if the Russians provide the Kurds with modern weapons against Turkey? No more Turkey. Tread carefully Mustafa.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas : As to Oldebergs -that's a lollipop for you to justify your nonsense. … is not only pure B...s..t but also Russo-centric

You don’t even know the family name of your royal dynasty. They always put St.George’s cross on their flags. See the Greek, the Union Jack, Swedish, Finnish, the Russian Guys, flags of Denmark, Norway and of Hitler ect. Before 1261 the world was Tsargrad-centric and only between 1345-1613 it was controlled by the Rus. You can see it in the multiple names all over the world BRUSSELS, PRUSSIA, BORUSSIA, ROUSSILLION, RUSSEL, ROUSSOS, ROSSINI, ROSSI, ROSSIUS, RUSSEFF, ROUSSEEAU, UROS, BYELORUSSIA, MALOROSSIA, FORT ROSS … Only the blind fail to see it.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

1.The population of more than 70 ancient Greek cities was 2 million people and therefore it wasn’t difficult to raise an Army of 40000 and 6000 cavalry.The weapon used by the phalangites was the sarissa, and not the sword.The royal palaces unearhed in Greece,Iran,Egypt and Pakistan plus the 5000 Ancient Macedonian inscriptions are more than a single proof.What’s next to say –the Oldebergs Built those palaces and buried them for Greeks to find them?
2.Medieval Greek was a continuation of Koine(Ancient) whereas modern Greek is a continuation of the Byzantine or Ecclesiastical one as we call them.
3.According to you the Ottomans lasted just one century because the original ones were Russians. How on earth did they manage to build all those ancient Greek and Roman monuments?
4.If scientists (including Russian ones)can declare to the world that the earth is 4.5 billion years old or the Dinausaurs died 170 million years ago i am sure they can determine the age of an ancient monument.

5 It seems to me that you’re bothered by the fact that Euclides,Pythagoras and Archimedes were Greek and not Russian.Have you ever wondered why modern mathematics use Greek letters? Check the Microsoft word on your computer ,you’ll find few Greek letters there.
7. Our alphabet goes back 5000 years whereas yours (the one we gave you)only 1000.Russia is as much a part of Viking history as the Norman conquest of England or the settlement of Iceland and Greenland.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

Rote
Your pathetic,indoctrinated paranoia is freaking’hilarious to anyone with higher than a 2nd Grade education.You try to make a case about the former royal family imposed upon the Greeks after independence by the British,French and Russia which lasted for 135 years yet you keep silent about Russia’s past.Have you forgotten about the Viking king Vladimir and his Rus tribe you got your name from? His descendants ruled over you for six centuries-a period which Fomenko tries to dress as the Great Horde which was nothing else but Mongol Tribes. As the distinguished Russian archaeologist, Valentin Yanin,said about Fomenko “ He’s an embarrassment and a potent symbol of the depths to which the Russian academy and society have generally sunk ... since the fall of Communism" He also says that Fomenko “ tried in keeping alive an imperial consciousness and secular messianism in Russia".

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas

I’ve spent several years in Iran and Afghanistan and I know their histories and their languages to say nothing of the former USSR states. It’s crazy to think that miserable 46 000 army with bronze armament could control those vast territories. It wouldn’t be enough even to defend the supply routes if any. Plus they built 33 never found cities … Much bigger armies of the USSR/USA failed to control even Afghanistan. I know little about Alexander but what I do know stops me thinking that he had anything to do with Greece. A too small people living too far from the region. that's why I asked you not to mention Macedonians because they weren’t Greeks as I believe. Should you say that the Macedonians seized Asia without the Greeks it would be more realistic because there were no nations before 17 century while the Slavs were the biggest ethnic group of the ancient times. And you can see it in the Happlogroups of the Pashtuns and the Iranians/Tadjiks. Slavs weren’t sitting on the trees as you think but had states and culture of their own. I have more proof of it than you can imagine now. Also in 11-12 centuries our regions were femes of the Byzantine and there was a big cultural exchange. Then in 1182 Greek/Slav Andronicus I Komnin aka Andrey Bogoliubski became emperor of Byzantine - read Nikitha Honiat the official chronologist of their empire. So the Ottomans were something more realistic we could talk about. Besides it was a joint project of the Slavs and the Greek.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas

When you mention ancient manuscripts make sure that they are not copies because 99,9% of what we are shown are copies or copies of the copies. Usually they made adopted copies before destroying inconvenient documents. Most cleaned is the Russian history as it was a matter of life for the Romanovs and their German masters. According to Fomenko original Peter-1 was killed during his trip to Europe in 1698. Two years later another man came instead. He looked alike but was 34 sm taller. Many Russians digged out proof of it. After that none of the Russian Tsars had a spot of Russian blood. Mentally most Russian was Nicolas II and during his visit to Japan he was injured heavily and his bloody handkerchief was always kept in the Imperial Museum. Few years ago Russia asked it for Y-Dna analysis of the remnants of the dead bodies that were supposed to belong to the Tsar family. They were not as the Tsar family was not executed. But experts have found out that there was not a drop of a Russian blood in Nicolas II. It had only “German” R1b Y-DNA. In fact R1b is also Slavic but not Russian anyway. So the Russian history looks as:

-Before 1613 period of the Rurikovici Dynasty that ruled the world.
-1613-1698 Sobakins-Yurievs called themselves the Romanovs who ruled one of the several Russian states.
-1700-1917 Oldenburgs who also used the Romanovs’ trademark.

Now we can move to the Ottomans.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas I believe that most important chronology of the Ottomans is :

In 1152 Andronicus I Komnin aka Andrey Bogoliubsky aka Apostle Andrew aka Jesus Christ was born in Crimea, Chufut Kale. As a Komnin he was a Sevast so this place was called Sevastopol.

In 1183 being co-emperor of Trabesund he moved his army to Jerusalem aka Troja aka Tsar Grad aka Vishegrad. People in the then capitol of the world greeted him and so he entered the city to rule here for the next 3 years.

In 1185 Andronicus/Christ was executed. It caused and immediate reaction of the Ruricovici dynasty to which he also belonged and it was the first Crusader war. Then came 3 others until in 1204 during the last Crusader war the Russians seized and destroyed Tsar Grad. They killed all the Angels whom they found because it was Christ’s cousin Manuil II Angel who killed him to seize power. Yet some of the Angels managed to run to their homeland Armenia and to England. In old manuscripts both England and the Angels were written as ANGL. The Russians abandoned the city until 1261 when it was seized for centuries.

In 1185 death of Christ initiated the Trojan/Troy aka Gothic war that lasted till 1345. It was a chain of wars where all Europeans were involved. The war was led in the Black Sea and the Mediterranean until in 1318 the young Russian kniaz/Khan Yuri/Georgy Danilovic aka St.George aka Genghis Khan decided to strike the head of the Latin snake and headed his cavalry army to Europe. b92 - thanks!

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas

In 1325 Georgy the Great Khan was poisoned but his younger brother Ivan Danilovic aka Bati Khan/Vati Can aka Prester John aka Calif finished the job and by 1345 100% of Europe was colonized. Then he moved his Horde to Asia and Africa to colonize them without meeting any resistance.

In 1370 his young son and the Great Kniaz/Khan Dmitry-1 Ivanovic aka Sultan Murad-1 aka Constantine-1 the Great inspired by his Godfather St.Sergy Radonezhsky put a formal end to the Royal/Family Christianity that dominated since 1185. Those were the First Christians aka the Pagans. With the help of their Greek Brahmans they developed the idea that as they belonged to the same dynasty as Jesus they too were gods. So they wrote those fairy tales that formed the Greek culture lately. Most of the legendary heroes were real people though medieval.

Other Rurikovici did not like the idea of the young Great Khan and the 45 year civil war started. Every 2-3 years there was a big fight until in 1380 on Kulikovo field a General battle was led in Moscow. Kniaz Dmitry took the upper hand and was called Donskoy ever since. Then he made two important things – moved the religious capitol of the empire back to Jerusalem/Tsargrad and called it Constantinople in his own honor. He took his Greek Patriarch and moved to Bosphorus. He also established Vatican as regional Orthodox center for Europe. Place was chosen because his fater Ivan/Baty Khan had his headquaters there during the colonization.

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rote

pre 7 godina

LEONIDAS

In 1389 during one of the battles of the civil war the Great Khan Dmitry as if Sultan Murad-1 was killed on Kosovo Field. 23 years later after the Angora/Ankara battle his son Vasily-1 aka Bayased-1 was captured and executed by Tamerlane. All including Serbs were Russians as it was a family matter of the Ruricovici. Tamerlane had no chance because only his wife was a Rurikovici while he was an Ural Cossack so none of the Hordes would support him.

By 1415 both biggest Hordes (the main White in Veliki Novgorod and the Golden in Kazan ) got tired of the war than none of them could win. So they stood on Ugra River without a clash. There they shook hands and it put an end to the civil war. Peace enabled them to bring to order some of their vassals who felt free during the war. So the united Slavic army moved to reconquer Europe.

By 1445 the order was restored but new contradictions arose between the descendants of Dmitry Donskoy who lived in Constantinople and those Rurikovici who stayed in Russia. The Greek Patriarch flew from Veliki Novgorod to Constantinople that aggravated the situation.

The Great Horde sent a joint army to siege Constantinople and in 1453 Tverskoy Kniaz/Khan Mehmet II aka Prophet Mohammad seized the city. All their trophies he sent to Veliki Novgorod. But for the next 28 years he was a formal head of the ruling family and the Great Horde so Novgorod/Habsburgs made him gifts. But after he passed away everything became routine.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonid/as

I hereby finish my short chronology of what can be concerned the Ottomans. So if you are still here please read the previous posts first. Otherwise you will not have a plain picture again.

In 1484 a severe Bubonic plague epidemic killed millions in Europe. It reached the Great Khan’s Court in V.Novgorod and because of the famous Roman roads the disease was fast spreading all over the empire. Worst was the situation in Britain, Spain, France, Holland, west of German lands, Italy and the Balkans. It was decided to clean those territories so a great Cossack expedition was sent there in 1485. They killed millions and buried or burnt everybody not necessarily ill … No matter if those were local peoples or the Russian Cossacks deployed there during the previous colonization. This expedition was reflected in the Bible as Apocalypses. The cleaned territories were inhabited by new Horde’s men. In Russian history it was reflected as "раздача новгородских земель" not even mentioned in Wikipedia. I guess that most of the current peoples of the Balkans arrived to the peninsula at that period. So I feel irritation when they speak of the ancient times. In 16 century during Suleiman and Ivan Grozny relations between the Great Horde and the Tver Horde aka Atamania were still good. It was then that Suleiman has built the Hagia Sophia Church. But in Europe the Reformation epidemic increased and they were in plot contacts with the Kazan Tsardom.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Leonidas

So in 1552 Ivan IV destroyed Kazan and prepared expedition to Europe. Parallel to it Suleiman moved to central Europe and occupied Buda Pest and Vienna. But in 1563 Ivan refused from power and became юродивый (saint). It enabled the Lutheran Romanovs seize power for 12 years of Oprichnina. They undermined the Russian efforts so the 30 year Livonian War against greater part of Europe gave no results. In 1572 Suleiman tried to restore the legal Ruricovici power sending his Janissaries to help the Crimea Khan Girey who like Suleiman was of the Ruricovici. But they were defeated in Molody Battle near Moscow because the German Russians again sent their troops to help their Romanovs puppets. Yet soon the power in the Horde was restored until 1584 when the last Ruricovici Tsar/Khan Simeon Bekbulatovic died. By that time Hernan Cortes in fact Yuri Vasilievic – younger brother of Ivan Grozny finished colonization of both Americas. Smuta/Disorder time lasted till 1613 when the Romanovs again seized the state power. Russia became a colony of the Oldenburgs for almost 3 century. Other Hordes refused to obey so the Romanovs controlled only several % of the Great Horde. The biggest of Russian states became the Great Tartaria that included Siberia and America with Tobolsk as the capitol. Next big were the Great Mogolia, China, Cathay Tartaria and Osmania. Since 1517 the Ottomans controlled also the Egyptian Horde (all Arab states) led by the Russian Cherkassy Mamelukes.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

I know little about Alexander but what I do know stops me thinking that he had anything to do with Greece
Rote

I know by now that you don't read world history nevertheless here is aa quote for you to learn:
"It should be noted that there is NO CONNECTION between the Macedonians of the time of Alexander the Great who were a GREEK tribe and today's
so-called 'macedonians' of the 'Former Yugoslav Republic of macedonia' or
FYROM, who are of SLAVIC origin and related to BULGARIANS." -
David H Levinson, 'The Encyclopaedia of Ancient Cultures'

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

I know little about Alexander but what I do know stops me thinking that he had anything to do with Greece
Rote

I know by now that you don't read world history nevertheless here is aa quote for you to learn:
"It should be noted that there is NO CONNECTION between the Macedonians of the time of Alexander the Great who were a GREEK tribe and today's
so-called 'macedonians' of the 'Former Yugoslav Republic of macedonia' or
FYROM, who are of SLAVIC origin and related to BULGARIANS." -
David H Levinson, 'The Encyclopaedia of Ancient Cultures'

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rote

pre 7 godina

LEONIDAS

So they were a real threat to the Reformatory but German Russians succeeded to make the two Russian states on their borders fight one another for 200 years. Each time the Romanovs needed military aid they received big armies from Europe. They spoke Russian and didn’t look like invaders. So was during the war of 17 century vs the Astrakhan Horde led by Stephan Razin and in 1773 when the Ottomans betrayed their Great Tartarian ally and signed a peace treaty. It enabled the Romanovs send their best troops under Alexander Suvorov to fight the “Pugachev’s” army. In 1775 Pugachev was defeated and the Oldenburgs creates the USA. But the traitor Ottomans were also punished rather soon. Now they had to withstand united Russia and Europe alone. After Suleiman Qanuni introduced Islam developed by his Grandpa Mehmet II the Great Porta became culturally a different world. They also lost technical competition and step after step they had to abandon France, Italy, Spain, Austria, Huingary and finally Balkans as the Mainland Ottomania the basic land and the main strong point of the Empire. In 18 century the Sultans followed their people and became Muslims and they spoke Osmani language that in fact was a version of Persian mixed with local dialects. Oldenburgs who mostly controlled Europe in 18-19 centuries provoked the Christians to rebel. They didn’t care them but they needed to destroy the empire and avenge for their centuries old insults.They took only Greece as a trophy

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

-Before 1613 period of the Rurikovici Dynasty that ruled the world.

(rote

In Fomenko's and your imagination.The Rurik dynasty( VLadimir's Viking descendants) ruled over Russia,Belarussia and Ukraine to some extend.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

Now we can move to the Ottomans.
(rote,

Read the Ottoman written history and the Byzantine one as written by 42 Greek Byzantine historians and then you can come back to me and engage on the subject.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

Should you say that the Macedonians seized Asia without the Greeks it would be more realistic because there were no nations before 17 century while the Slavs were the biggest ethnic group of the ancient times
Rote

There were no Slavs in the Balkans in the ancient times.When the Slavs arrived in the 6th AD there were no Macedonians.They thought of themselves as Christian Greek-speaking Roman (: Byzantine) citizens, and not because of any large-scale Roman colonization and consequent merger.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

It all reminds me an episode from a Russian comedy

You remind me an exchange that I had three years ago with a Fyromian guy who posted a link on this site implying that his country was the first one created by god. When I come to think about your own claims that Jesus was a Russian/Slav it follows that you both belong to the same club.

Leonidas looks like the funny and fake history written for in 18-19 centuries

I ‘ve never claimed that history is written exactly as it happened. On the other hand I cannot ignore he millions of relics from the past or historiography neither the opinion of thousands of past and present historians and archaeologists as you do by branding everything the work of the Oldebergs.

the Greeks weren’t the only source of democracy

I’ve never discussed democracy with you on this site and I don’t know where your claim comes from .

Thought you were smarter.

Smartness is not equal to insanity.

I promise you to do my best for revealing the true history on this site

I’ll look forward to it but I think it’s your usual waffle.

I feel a slightest insult or a hint I’ll take no prisoners .

The trouble with scary people is everyone's too scared to tell them how scary they are.

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