"Bulgaria and Romania could join Croatia in blocking Serbia"

Now that's what i call good neighborly relations. Why would we want to join that sinking ship. African and arab invaders will ruin west Europe in a few years and if we are in the EU by then we will be ordered to accept them too. Not to mention the death of our culture and identity. Just keep blocking and thank you for doing us a favor.

Little by little that animal called srbja will be domesticated.
(delon, 6 May 2016 15:45)

LOL as usual, literacy is a luxury in the land of Hoxha. Try reading the article which states that unlike Croatia's active blocking (which I assure you will be dismissed by the EC), Bulgaria and Romania will not block Serbia's accession but instead urge reforms that can easily be implemented while Serbia is undergoing the negotiation process.

You and that village idiot Azir must have jumped right to the comment section after figuring out what the headline was, right?

Because if there's any animal to tame, wait until Albania gets a go at it and is tied down by Serbia, Greece, Montenegro, and even Macedonia.

You ready for long overdue autonomy for Greeks in Northern Epirus?

And let's not even begin to think what hoops Kosovo will have to go through :)

Demands? Every one wants a piece of Serbia, what will be left for Serbian people? What rights do Serbian people have in Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary? serbian politicians want to please every one except the Serbian people! What has Croatia, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria contributed to the well being of Serbia and it's people? Only death, destruction and the theft of our ancient and sacred lands from our neighbors! The only survival for Serbia and it's people is total bonding with Mother Russia, no other way will save our people and our remaining lands! I say we join Dear Mother Russia and turn our backs to the Devil!!!

Being married to a VLAJNA ,my wife hates it when they say she is a Romanian and not a Serb.From all the Vlach/VLASI people that i know,they dont want to be recognized as Romanians ,but Serbs

Hmm, two more Nazi countries in the second world war, just like the Ustase. Interesting.

this is great news ,please block,,,Serbia doesn't need to be taken over by the EU and take everything in the country like Croatia and other small places....Croatia is broke and has nothing,...so block everyone is begging you....EU is falling apart and aging and has nothing ,but Germany is taking all the money lolol they are smart while the rest are stupid....

"they will after all vote in favor of opening chapter 23" monument ... Hopefully chapter 23 will be the deadline that will save Serbia from EU.

Little by little that animal called srbja will be domesticated.
(delon, 6 May 2016 15:45)

I just pray that she is not domesticated the way you Albanians domesticate your favorite goats and sheep.

Little by little that animal called srbja will be domesticated.

Music to my ears....

Serbia must PAY!

Did Serbs really think they will enter EU dancing?

Why do you Serbs want to be in the EU? Hopefully we Brits will vote out.

neverforget : Hmm, two more Nazi countries in the second world war, just like the Ustase. Interesting.

To be exact 3 and a half states fought the Nazi (Britain, Yugoslavia, USSR and Greece) while all others directly supported Hitler. So deep in their hearts they hate us and our Victory over the rest of the continent. 17 states sent their brigades, divisions and armies to the USSR and now they dare to smell here ! I am happy that the two sucker EU members immitate independence. One phone call and they will wecome Serbs to their terrarium. So will the Croats and the main reserves in Poland and the 3 microstates in the Baltic. But do Serbs really need such a company? This is the real question ! And Vucic made a good trick replacing the direct referendum with the early voting without consequent obligations. As the Russians say TO PROMISE DOES NOT MEAN TO MARRY ...

In 2012 our minimum salary was under the 150 euro from Albania , and now in 2016 is DOUBLE .
(adrian_bucharest, 6 May 2016 15:41)

Yes,Adrian the Albanian, read your statement .You state that "our minimum salary in Albania. We ,Serb know that you are not a Romanian, but a Shqiptars.!!.
Romania and Bulgaria, are requesting for their minorities more rights which they will get,and things will move on.But Croatia demand's for Serbia are not realistic and over the top!.

Regarding the " Vlach Issue " and regarding the " Attrocities Commited on Serbian civilian populations by Nazi backed Romanians in the Vojvodina and Banat Region during World War Two? How much of our Serbian Blood and Tears will it take to please the Devil? How many young Serbian sons had to dig their own graves and be murdered on their ancient sacred home lands? Yes, I know what happened back then during World War Two, Tito did not consume my memories or my brain! My Dear Serbian Brothers and Sisters only with our Dear Mother Russia can we continue to live, what life is it with out Liberty and Peace? Nothing good will ever come from evil humanity, Srbija needs protection, Srbija needs Dear Mother Russia!!!

These are American satellites, pure and simple.

"Little by little that animal called srbja will be domesticated."

Even an animal has more sense than to be bribed by something it doesn't want in order to get it to do something else it doesn't want to do.

It is quite telling that none of these countries had to do anything for the Serbian minority to get in the EU.
But also this shows why Serbia should stay FREE of the EU.
The EU demands and policies have NOT helped Serbia's economy or culture, nor has it helped Serbs' rights.

Croatia is extremely abusive and discriminatory against Serbs and Roma, yet the EU is fine with that.
Also, Serbian displaced and refugees will not be able to get their homes and property back, even if Serbia joins the EU because the EU is full of DOUBLE STANDARDS AND HYPOCRISY.

Well, perhaps this might be the time for Serbia to stop with the madness of joining the EU, the UK is leaving, what more do you want.
Serbia; for God's sake form a Commonwealth with Russia, have Putin build three military bases, Novi Sad, Belgrade, and say Nis. Then watch Nato bomb ever again. Djukanovic will be overthrown and Montenegro will follow. Open the doors for Chinese investment, the EU will sink Serbia, mark my words

Block it all you want. You're now in the same petty pool of EU underdogs that Croatia is in. Serbia doesn't need the EU. Your countries slipped in but do nothing for the EU. Bulgaria, not surprised. You were Nazi lovers back in the day. Romania? What's wrong? Bored because you still don't have an economy worthy of the EU or even the Arctic?

Well that really says a lot. The three most corrupt countries in the EU hanging out together, not to mention that neither Romania nor Bulgaria yet fulfil the acquis communautaire they were obliged to implement in full before their official joining date of the EU of January 1, 2007.

But, that's Brussels for you. There is "Rule of Law" and then there is Brussels interpretation of "Rule of Law". Neither has much to do with the other.

These are American satellites, pure and simple.
(Srboljub, 6 May 2016 19:45)

Serbia is a satellite, too... so not sure what point you're trying to make :)

A Commonwealth with Russia, have Putin build three military bases, Novi Sad, Belgrade, and say Nis. Then watch Nato bomb ever again. Djukanovic will be overthrown and Montenegro will follow. Open the doors for Chinese investment, the EU will sink Serbia, mark my words
(Miso, 7 May 2016 09:45)

A simple look a map will tell you this does not work, NATO surrounds Serbia, and for those supplies and trade to happen in Serbia, it needs to go through NATO and EU. You have no exit at sea and way to connect directly with Russia.

If you were geographically where, Ukraine is sure but not in Balkan.

So hence Serbia has no choice, about UK leaving if they do they have economy and ability to trade regardless of EU. Serbia gets aid and is dependent on investment from EU; Russia has no technology except military hence dependency in EU.

The reality is such, has nothing to do with anything more than ability else; otherwise, Serbia long ago would have acted. Serbia is trying to use an old book from Tito where he played East vs West however that was a different time and he was not surrounded by NATO.

Vucic, Nikolic are pure nationalist who would love to listen but cant. They both had to take another slap from same EU they want to join as Kosovo got Visa free seperate from Serbia and Uefa i know its just a game but it hurts just as much.

Moderate Serb
Vojvodina


is it a new Shqip trend to pretend Serbs?

Bilabo you are an amusing individual,at best, but more profound is your ability to tread in some manure and be unable to scrape it off your shoe. To imply that Russia has no technology is frankly bizzare when one thinks of space travel,exploration,military hardware and associated electronics. You need to go and lie down in the shade for a while to recover your senses. Much of the remainder of your posting is also banal and verging on the ridiculous!!

Yes the carrot & stick approach from your future overlords in Brussels (aka Washington, London, Berlin). Of course it is not the overlord’s fault that their little pets the Croatians, Bulgarians and Romanians exercise the stick on you, they will take the blame so as to shield their masters from responsibility. Will Serbia whimper for more scraps like a dog that has been beaten too much or will we find a new viable direction (Eurasian Economic Union)? If you keep voting for the same political parties then get used to this, except once they have you in the cage the stick will only get bigger and more frequent if you don’t lick the master’s boot. Good luck on your EU journey and say goodbye to sovereignty; just observe your neighbors like Greece, they voted for a party that would end the EU yoke and so what happened? Into the bottomless pit you go!

You ready for long overdue autonomy for Greeks in Northern Epirus?

And let's not even begin to think what hoops Kosovo will have to go through :)
(Donkey Hoxha, 6 May 2016 16:17)

Gather enough Greeks there to vote for it and as an Albanian I will come and join you and even campaign for you. By you I mean the Greeks. The problem is that there are very few. Even when 3 main Albanian parties split the vote the vast majority of the time it's still an Albanian being elected. What is there, is half empty villages with no young people. The young people are in the US, Germany, Western Europe after having left Albania and then Greece. I know this cause a few of them are my buddies. You can gather all the Greek villages there and you still can't fill a 30 000 people stadium. Once you get enough people I'll join the cause. Until then, you got nothing.

As generation go by, Greece will be Albanian in the future.
Eric
As future generations evolve it is more probable the remaining Albanian immigrants in Greece together with their compatriots in Albania and Kosovo to be deported back to Dagestan where their ancestors arrived from than taking over Greece.
Cant build a country in lies, tell germany how they did it? ;)
(eric,
Indeed .Having destroyed infrastructure ,housing and killing more than 600k people then they forced Greece to give nazi Germany 476 million reichmarks ($14 billion) during its occupation. If an average 4% interest had been accrued over 71 years, the loan and compound interest would’ve corresponded to $193 billion in today’s terms.However,the new Stasi-led German government is refusing to pay not only reparations but the loan as well.As Merkel said last year “In the view of the German government, the issue of reparations is politically and legally closed,” In the mean time Germany continues to pay generous pensions to its own former nazi soldiers and even those veterans of Spain’s Blue Division (which fought on the Eastern Front during World War II).

Anytime Donkey! We'll give autonomy to them commensurate with the number of Greeks that actually live in Albania.
(Marko Bocari, 6 May 2016 21:39)

I'm glad you're that willing to cooperate since you'd better be prepared to lob off the lower-third of Albania in the process. See, by official standards, "Greeks" account for about 3% of the population due to census records Albanifying thousands of Greek places and place names. Under Hoxha, Epiriote Greeks were forced to change their names and were forced assimilated into Albanian culture on the goal of making the entire country ethnically homogeneous.

Now if you ask the people of the region what they really are, and don't threaten them with reprisals, they'd easily and openly identify as Greeks who have been living in the region for centuries. That 3% would jump to 15% at the absolute least. I can't imagine a more oppressed and harassed minority in all of Europe so it warms my heart to know you'd support their autonomy when the times comes.

The biggest irony is that they 'block' with the intention of essentially demanding a better quality of life for 'their' minorities, but in doing so, they themselves block 'their' minorities from exactly that; an institution that they consider will provide a better quality of life - for the nation, including 'their' minorities. Politics................

"You ready for long overdue autonomy for Greeks in Northern Epirus?"

Anytime Donkey! We'll give autonomy to them commensurate with the number of Greeks that actually live in Albania. If the majority of them live in Athens, and have been living there for the past 20 years, there's nothing for us to give. Most of them don't even have the Albanian citizenship any more to begin with.

So, this would be a very easy condition to fulfill. In any way you define North Epirus, the majority of the people living there would be Albanians. So we declare an area as autonomous, get in the EU, and then have a referendum in that area to abolish the autonomy. Let people decide. Happy?

I really never new we had so many friends.please keep it up.

"I can't imagine a more oppressed and harassed minority in all of Europe" i've always been intrigued as to why the most opressed and harassed minority in Europe doesnt just go out and protest? i mean, according to you they make up 15% of the total population, quite a number in a country that does not even number 4 million, yet they seem to tolerate their position. why? now logical thinking gives us 2 possibilities, they are neither opressed nor harrased or they like being opressed and harassed. you decide which one is likely scenario.

Well, perhaps this might be the time for Serbia to stop with the madness of joining the EU, the UK is leaving, what more do you want.
Serbia; for God's sake form a Commonwealth with Russia, have Putin build three military bases, Novi Sad, Belgrade, and say Nis. Then watch Nato bomb ever again. Djukanovic will be overthrown and Montenegro will follow. Open the doors for Chinese investment, the EU will sink Serbia, mark my words
(Miso, 7 May 2016 09:45)

Ooowww, that really is a scary scenario imagining a commonwealth between Serbia & Russia, it kind of reminds me of a cyclops or Frankenstein!!!
Now, to reality, Serbia has been primed for a total occupation to occurr rather soon as 95% of her inhabitants have completely lost their entire will & moral to fight or put up any type of resistance any longer! All that is needed now are the right circumstances!!!

This should come as no surprise to those bitter and vengeful Serbs that frequent b92. They are the ones responsible for Serbia's short comings and lack of advancement, not some foreign boogyman lurking on our borders . Didn't anyone consider the repercussions for Serbia each time our government used the same tactics toward our neighbors. Thank God for the advancement of Artificial Intelligence since the natural kind is so rare in Serbia.

The only one who can help Srbija is Russia !

These are American satellites, pure and simple.
(Srboljub, 6 May 2016 19:45)

Serbia is a satellite, too... so not sure what point you're trying to make :)
(icj1, 7 May 2016 01:06)

Icj- the point is there are elements in state and cia who wish to destabilise the Balkans and carve up Serbia. If Serbia joins the Eu their plans go up in smoke. it would take one call from Washington to get these haters to stop being so childish.
(Srboljub, 8 May 2016 10:31)

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that state and cia's top priority is to destabilise the Balkans and carve up Serbia. That's what they work on day and night and yada, yada, yada... :)

But what does that have to do with the satellites story that we were discussing?!

there are no such thing as greeks in Albania, but there are Albanian in the country we so called Greece. There are thousands of Albanians in Greece, how about their autonomy? As generation go by, Greece will be Albanian in the future. The wheel goes around i guess. Cant build a country in lies, tell germany how they did it? ;)

"I'm glad you're that willing to cooperate since you'd better be prepared to lob off the lower-third of Albania in the process. "

They're gone, Donkey, they're gone to greener pastures. You can theorize as much as you want on the internet, but there's not many left there.

Icj- the point is there are elements in state and cia who wish to destabilise the Balkans and carve up Serbia. If Serbia joins the Eu their plans go up in smoke. it would take one call from Washington to get these haters to stop being so childish.

In the Union European can develop only who know how to steal , that is why Romania have most big gdp grow from UE 2015-2016-2017

The Vlach problem from Serbia it got a more and more and more big attention more even than Republic of Moldova

From what i hear here Romania will block Serbia 100%

I see Serbia first quater of 2015 gdp grow 3,5% of course always in Romania grow always faster , in Romania in first quater it had grow with 5,7% and the deflation in april had grow from -3% in march to -4% , that because in Serbia is only 0,6% at moment consumption had grow up with 20% better even than before crisis .

All in All from 2017 we give the big hit the minimum salary will raise from 280 euro at 350 euro in 2 steps , average will grow from 440 euro to over 500 , and pensions will grow with 50%

Conclusion => In Union European, only the ones who know how to steal from West will find the prosperity . In 2012 our minimum salary was under the 150 euro from Albania , and now in 2016 is DOUBLE .

I'm glad you're that willing to cooperate since you'd better be prepared to lob off the lower-third of Albania in the process. See, by official standards, "Greeks" account for about 3% of the population due to census records Albanifying thousands of Greek places and place names. Under Hoxha, Epiriote Greeks were forced to change their names and were forced assimilated into Albanian culture on the goal of making the entire country ethnically homogeneous.

Now if you ask the people of the region what they really are, and don't threaten them with reprisals, they'd easily and openly identify as Greeks who have been living in the region for centuries. That 3% would jump to 15% at the absolute least. I can't imagine a more oppressed and harassed minority in all of Europe so it warms my heart to know you'd support their autonomy when the times comes.
(Donkey Hoxha, 7 May 2016 01:39)

Yes, I'll support them too. Get that 15% and I'll join you. One thing to keep in mind. This is not Serbia. Greeks in Albania have always had high positions in the Parliament and government. The old people I mentioned earlier; They left Greece and came back because Greeks mistreated them. I know this because 50 years ago under Hoxha this family didn't speak a lick of Albanian, until they went to university and became my parents best friends. Now they're back home and their kids are in the States. They left Greece in 2001. So many like them. They still have their Greek names.

Eric : “to be deported back to Dagestan where their ancestors arrived from”

You made me laugh long. I imagined the poor Shqiptars arrive to Dagestan. Please don’t be so cruel! After all we have only territorial problems that will be settled sooner or later.


Leonidas : “As Merkel said last year “In the view of the German government, the issue of reparations is politically and legally closed,”

Don’t forget that Israel was built at the cost of Germany. It’s a fary tale about the rich Jews and the USA. as 80% of the money came from the BRD.


Srboljub: If Serbia joins the Eu their plans go up in smoke.

WRONG! The head of the monster is in London while the body is in the USA. So it’s one creature and it does not care the EU either. They destroy national states even if they are headed by their own lackeys. Because without such states the world will be easier ruled and robbed. So EU is the next to be ruined if the English plan works.


MikeD : Bulgaria, not surprised. You were Nazi lovers back in the day. Romania? What's wrong? Bored because you still don't have an economy worthy of the EU or even the Arctic?

Romania of Antonescu was much worse than Bulgaria of tsar Boris. Ask about their atrocities in Ukraine!

I know this region well enough to imagine what will happen to such newcomers.
They may be newcomers to you but not to the ancient Greek historian Arrian.who claims that Albanians were amongst the troops of Darius in the battle at Gaugamela against Alexander the Great.I’d rather not continue since you’re a firm believer in your own fantasies than the Greek or Roman “fairy tales” as you call them.

This is the place where Eric offered to deport his neighbors and it’s too cruel while I was unaware that you used this nickname.

I’ve spoken many times in the past against the practice by posters mainly Albanians and yourself who use many aliases to attack anyone that doesn’t agree with them.B92 will confirm that I am not Eric and you should read his comment and then mine before you accuse me of being someone else.

Uppss sorry for Serbia rollercoaster ride European path going to be. If country is against you maybe it's not your fault but three countries are against you its meaning something Serbia is doing WRONG

Britain will be better off out.

Serbia will be better off in.

The world is full of paradoxes.

You made me laugh long. I imagined the poor Shqiptars arrive to Dagestan. Please don’t be so cruel! After all we have only territorial problems that will be settled sooner or later.

I am glad i made you laugh.In the meantime stick to your conspiracy theories on history and i will stick to my ones.You see the mentally disturbed do not employ the Principle of Scientific Parsimony- the most simple theory to explain a given set of facts. They shoot for the baroque.

Rote
On close reading,your posting is so ridiculous that I feel silly for even dignifying it with an answer.However I've always had a bit of a soft spot for truly absurd revisions of history and despite your obvious nonsense I think it's fun to dip for a laugh and to serve as a reminder of how low can people reach in making things up for their nationalist agenda.

Fomenko's pseudoscience(that’s what you’re talking about) is the most nonsensical rewriting of world history based on made up lies.Indeed,there were no ancient Greece,China,Rome,Egypt,Iran and all other ancient entities,there were no middle Ages and early modern history are the same events with the same people with different names.The Ottoman emperor Suleiman was in fact Solomon(not even D Icke could claim that)and Palestine was in fact Western Germany. Furthermore, the Spanish,Portuguese,British,French empires never happened and were in fact Russian empires
Yes, that;s right - here we really get down to it. Russia used to pretty much rule the world. Mongols and Tartars - a myth - they were all part of Greater Russia. Turks? Also Russians. Basically, Russia was the most powerful and most important country in the whole world for the whole of recorded history, until some nasty Germans put a foreign dynasty in power and lied about it all.

Berlin paid 115m Deutschmarks to Athens in 1960 in compensation. It was a fraction of the Greek demand but was made with the agreement there would be no more claims. Greece says the 1960 deal did not cover key demands, including payments for damaged infrastructure, war crimes and the return of a forced loan exacted from occupied Greece.
Germany insists the issue of compensation was settled in 1990 legally and politically before Germany reunified and has questioned why Greece did not negotiate when it entered the eurozone.

@ ROTE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercurio_Bua

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratioti

Fomenko gave only the idea

That’s not correct. Fomenko re-constructed history with his own pseudo one basedOn Ptolemy’s almagest which you conveniently avoid to mention in any of your comments.Without Ptolemy there is no Fomenko’s history. However as Newton writes in his book "The Crime of Claudius Ptolemy" Ptolemy fabricated most of the solar eclipse data without observing the eclipses. He further accuses Ptolemy that his almagest contains a lot of stars whose positions he did not observe.The same points have been made by other astronomers such as Tychus,Galileo and Copernicus.Therefore, all the data used by Fomenko to produce his pseudo-history are wrong.
Your link s to some videos do not produce history.If you really want to see history I urge you to visit the new state of the art Acropolis museum in Athens. which is one of the most high profile museums built in Europe in the 21st century and you’ll be overwhelmed by history.

Leonidas

Please don’t slip away as the Ottomans is something we can talk without nerve.

I've said to you in the past that I've read Ottoman history extensively as written by Ottomans and not by historians and I have to admit that I was impressed by their detailed records.However,nothing that I've read bears any resemblance to anything you've posted to date.

Leonidas - 2

Let’s talk about the Balkans so that other people are also interested. In 1453 Mehmet II seized Constantinople. But little attention is paid to where from he attacked the city. It’s very important as we know that there were no “Turks” at the time on the Balkans. We are told as if they came from Asia to beat the Beliks in Anatolia on their way to Constantinople. But we all know that the 53 day siege and attack were launched from the north and via the Golden Horn. Mehmet II pulled the ships on the surface to strike where Constantine XI did not expect. So it was the Balkan people who seized the city. Who were those people? Most likely they were Slavs. At least the first thing they did was to rename the city. Now they called it СТАН БУЛГАР that became СТАНБУЛ later. Now enter Wikipedia and see the 6 idiotic versions they give. But before that visit toilet coz it will be too funny. As you know Mehmet II had many supporters inside the city and most likely many of them were Greeks. How could they help Muslims I wonder? Also ask yourself why were the Serbs so close to the Sultans for at least 400 years? The answer is simple – their ruling dynasty of Niemanici and the Sultans belonged to the same Rurikovici dynasty while there was much Greek blood in them too. They had several friendly dynasties like the Komnins and the Paleologs and one hostile (the Angels) that formed England later.

Stratioti sounds rather Ossetian than Shqiptar because their ancestor Alans settled in the north of Italy. And it’s the only place where family names ending with “ti” are coming from. In no other region of Italy you will find such family names. Some of them like Bugati/Bugatti can be found both in Italy and Ossetia. So I doubt it very much that this Stratioti was one of you. According to Mauro Orbini Alans were a Slavic tribe close to the Goths.

“Mercurio Bua, Count of Aquino and Roccasecca (Nafplion 1478 – Treviso c. 1542) was an Albanian nobleman and a famed … commander of the Venetian army” is written in your link. But let’s be reasonable. During his lifetime even a fly could not cross those lands without permission from the Mongol Horde. So he could be only the Horde’s man. To say nothing that he served the Venetians who were one of the Slav tribes and obeyed Veliki Novgorod.

We never saw you fighting last 200 years and in most cases every mentioning of Albanians means only Russian people from one single part of the land – north-west Russia, Byelorussia, Sweden (Светия), Pomerania (Поморье), Poland (Поляне), Austria (Аустрики = eastern reich), Parma (Пермь), part of Germany, Prussia (П-Руссия), Borussia (Поруссия) and part of Ukraine, Balkans ect. Only those people were Albanians i.e. White Hordians. Even other Russians could not call themselves Albanians because it was the main of all other hordes.

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Leonidas

Please calm down to talk about anything that do not drive you mad. I won’t talk about Greece and you will not mention Macedonians. Fomenko gave only the idea while hundreds of Russians make their own investigations that are not less amazing. Before I dropped to the b92 this time I was watching a film about the Chinese Tartaria and the Russian geographic names in China and about the false Russian documents printed in Europe + about two unknown Russian Emperors mentioned and portrayed in the left part of the map.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVhDSXOak0g

before that it was a film about the falsified history of the 19 century

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIMWfHn7q8E

before that it was a film about the mystification of the siege of Leningrad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCr1ozqYYhQ

truth about the strange war of 1812

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92bhzSYwvOg

Where do you see Fomenko here? According to him history of 18-19 centuries is more or less true. I doubt it very much though I believe that this century history books will be based on Fomenko. It’s a pity that you do not talk Russian but if you behave I can give you links or translate documents. When I ask of things like Zeus, Hercules and Aristotle painted on walls of two Russian churches think twice before you laugh because we had Greek patriarchs at the time.

Leonidas

Please don’t slip away as the Ottomans is something we can talk without nerves. All because unlike Moscow their territory has never been seized by the Catholics. So most of the documents were not cleaned out. For your better understanding I have to explain what Njemanici means. This family name has only one interpretation – people from Neman or Nemanovs. Neman River was in the middle of the White Horde i.e. where the Albanians/Whites lived. Also they liked to add to their family name word Urosh that means Russian in many languages including Hungarian (Orosh). It looks quite natural because since Byzantine most reliable people were appointed as governors of territories. Such were the Russian kniazes of 11-12 centuries appointed from Byzantine. And this is why they had non-Slav appearance :

1/ Dmirty I Ivanovic Donskoy … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Donskoy#/media/File:Dmitri_Donskoy.jpg aka Murad I aka Constantine I. later I’ll prove that all 3 were one man.

2/ His grandpa Ivan Kalita/Calif aka Batu Khan/Vatican aka Prester John

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD_I_%D0%94%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87_%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0

3/ His Grandpa’s elder brother Yuri/Georgy Danilovic aka Gengis Khan aka St.George

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B5%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%86

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LEONIDAS

Be reasonable and don’t provoke for something that is Greek directly and happened or not too long ago. Ottomans is a more or less neural theme where we can see or that the history was totally falsified. For instance peoples of the Balkans had no problems with self-identification before they joined Europe. You know why? Because the Ottoman Empire was built like the Great Horde where nationality played little role. You behave and pay taxes and nobody cares what you do the rest of time. This balance was destroyed in early 19 century. Brits aka the Oldenburgs stood behind it as you know. They told Balkan peoples who will be Greeks, Bulgarians, Macedonians, Serbs, Bosniaks, Montenegrins, Romans, Turks ect. They wrote basic history of every nation here then they filled it with songs and legends. They changed languages of all Slavic peoples including Russia so that they stop speaking the same language. During the Ottomans national and religious issues weren’t important. All Orthodox people belonged to the Miliet-I Rum i.e. People of Rome with Greek patriarch at their head. There were 4 such Milliets in Atamania including Muslim one. They were absolutely autonomous to choose languages to speak or teach or the way they prayed. This is why there were little national or religious conflicts in the Empire. Besides 1702 was the year when the last time a Sultan was buried in accordance with Orthodoxy. Many Sultans were born and died in Greek Adrianople.

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Leonidas

5/ The Atamans wrote a history of their own. They were sure of their religious and cultural superiority taking routes from the Horde and Byzantine while Europeans were illegal tyrants. So their history though detailed was different from what we believe in. In many cases they gave a better picture of the past and the religion because Islam was a version of Orthodoxy first.

6/ So Turkish achieves as well the Iranians have very good potential. Last month I read a treaty’s text between the Sultan and the German-Russian Tsar. It’s an amazing document and it was found in the Turkish achieves. Dated 1566 it was written in Russian as the only language both emperors knew … and the Ataman Sultan was dominating while Tsar Alexey begged him to set free the Russian/Swedish Karl … But our history tells us as if Sweden has always been mortal enemy of ours!

7/ Greeks made the elite of the Ottomans and all 4 sorts of Greeks were inside this empire so in a great degree it's your own history. So are the Balkan peoples who repeat Oldenburgs' manthras today ...

P.S. Visiting a Greek museum of antique times is same as going to Museum of the Soviet occupation in Tbilisi or Yad Hashem in Jerusalem. That’s why you cannot vote for your country in InterVision tonight. My daughter was on cover page of the Greek IQ Beauty this year but like myself she's never been to Greece. Sure I’d like to be there but I am afraid I’ll see other things from what you expect me to see there.

ABOUT WHO WERE THE ALBANIANS


MOSCOVIA URBS METROPOLIS TO: tius Russiae Albae. =
MOSCOVIA CITY METROPOLIS TO: there Russian White

http://geoportal.rgo.ru/iipview/57

Leonidas

Congratulations Leonidas ! It's a good day today and we are not to spoil it for useless conflicts . Besides there was no sarcasm in my comment. I really laughed long and I really believe that such a deportation to Caucasus is a too cruel act. I know this region well enough to imagine what will happen to such newcomers. You would be surprised to see the Victory Parade that was conducted in Grozny city today. Only 3500 decorated with orders and medals were allowed to take part. Ramzan Kadirov ended his speech as follows С ДНЕМ ПОБЕДЫ ! АЛЛАХО АКБАР! This is the place where Eric offered to deport his neighbors and it’s too cruel while I was unaware that you used this nickname. Tatars in Crimea were frozen when they learned that the deployed “greens” were Chechens. It meant that the jokes were over and that there will be as much blood as it will be required. In two days the Chechens were withdrawn because they were easy to be provoked while Russia meant a peaceful process. Such are all northern Caucasians including Dagestan. By the way Stalin was an Ossetian and you could see how firm he was. He stayed in Moscow knowing that the Germans had seized every city they had sieged. Read about the Wild Division (Дикая дивизия) composed of the northern Caucasians. Even the Ottomans failed to control this region and now you or Eric are ready to deport the Shqiptars to this region? It’s really cruel though I am not their club member.

Leonidas : I am not Eric and you should read his comment and then mine before you accuse me of being someone else.


Leonidas I think you are too nervous for such a glorious day like May 9 … Take it is easy as we have nothing to divide. We have similar viewing of the current events but we understand different the events in the ancient times. 95% of my comments are placed under this nickname as I hate prostitution in any form. Also if you read your comment you will find that logically you were Eric. Maybe you were busy with something else. We tried to persuade one another for several times and it was all in vain. So don’t use slogans. If you have something based on facts we can talk about it. But if you start persuading me of the same things in the “ancient” times be ready to explain why Gomer’s poems were first written on paper centuries after he died or how could Alexander seize Siberia if he wasn’t a Russian or how could Aristotle and Zeus appear in Drevo Yesseevo (life tree of Jesus) on the old icon painted on the walls of this church inside Moscow Kremlin ect. By the way most damaged is the Russian history and it’s only thanks to the Internet we receive new evidence of the real truth today. Not to hurt you I am ready to show the mystification on any other country’s example.

http://kraeved1147.ru/blagoveshhenskiy-1/

Leonidas

This family tree of Jesus in Kremlin was painted by famous Feofan Greek in 15 century. There are 11 more such trees on church walls. 2 in Greece, 5 in Serbia, 1 in Romania, 2 in Georgia and 1 in Vladimir. Translate by yourself.

ДРЕВО ИЕССЕЕВО И ГРЕЧЕСКИЕ МУДРЕЦЫ В РОСПИСЯХ СОБОРА
Сюжет росписи в своде галереи – “Древо Иессеево”. Такой же сюжет украшал и предшествующий собор, расписанный Феофаном Греком. Это родовое древо Иисуса Христа. Как известно, Спаситель происходит из рода царя Давида. Лежащего Иессея, предка Давида, Соломона и других царей израильских можно видеть в северной галерее над изображением Спаса Нерукотворного Лежащий Иессей – фреска XIX века. (Снимок неудачный, лучшего нет). От него отходит древо и в овалах написаны 14 царей из рода Давида. Заканчивается древо Божией Матерью, держащей на коленях младенца Иисуса Христа. Здесь же в это древо включены Ветхозаветные пророки и Илионские мудрецы. (Греческие и римские мудрецы,так как они предрекали рождение младенца Христа от Девы Марии.) Интересно изображение Гомера – в северной галерее, на южной стене. В западной галереи на пилястре между окнами изображён Вергилий. 1547-1551 В свитках содержаться надписи. У Сократа читаем: “Доброго мужа никакое зло не постигнет. Душа наша бессмертна. По смерти будет добрым награда, а злым – наказание”. У Платона: “ Должно надеяться, что Сам Бог ниспошлет небесного Учителя и Наставника людям” ...

1500 !

http://kraeved1147.ru/blagoveshhenskiy-1/

Leonidas

Ottoman history is specific because :

1/ Diplomatically the Europeans made them fight against their only potential ally – Russia where we always played the role of the aggressor supported by Europe before 19 century when the Tsars finally became Russians.

2/ Culturally the Atamans/Osmans were apart from Europe so they used other geographic names and other people’s names. Most often Arab ones. This language was an artificial one developed specially for the scientists called Arabs. Later most of the Semite tribes were granted with this name as it was the only language they could communicate though all of them spoke different.

3/ Turkey has never been occupied so most of the ocuments are still alive or were destroyed to match their own version of history. After 1572 there were 4 calendars – Catholic, Russian +5508 years (от сотворения мира в звездном храме), the Ataman Hijjra calendar - 622 years and finally Church calendar starting in 1185 when Jesus was executed on Beykos hill near Yoros hill,Turkey. So any document dated otherwise is false. For instance before 1700 in Russia was used only Russian calendar = 7208 plus the church dating = 515. But even decades later the old church calendar was widely used.

4/ In 19 century Ottomans became dependant from France and Britain and they had to do lots of things they didn’t liked. One of them was letting the Europeans into their archives where many documents were stolen.

1500

@Dragoljub Djurkovic Serbs have every right in Romania: they have the right to official serbian language in villages and cities where they are more than 20%, they have a GUARANTEED reprezentative in the Romanian Parlament, they have their own church, in the serbian language. In fact, the romanian people have a simpathy towards the serbian people. Romania did not kill any serbs during WWII, even though Hitler tried to give a piece of Serbia to Romania, in exchange for Northern Transilvania, which was given to the hungarians by the nazis. Romania REJECTED such offers. Don't be absurd. Romanians in Serbia dont want to secede from Serbia, they just want to use their language and not be called "vlachs", which is an aberation. Romania and Serbia share a culture and a past togheter. I remind you: the serbs are one of the most apreciated people by the romanians. I understand your fears, but give the romanians in the Timoc the rights to be serbians of romanian descent and we will be ok. By the way, the EU is not worth it. You're better off without.

Music to my ears....

Serbia must PAY!

Little by little that animal called srbja will be domesticated.

Did Serbs really think they will enter EU dancing?

Demands? Every one wants a piece of Serbia, what will be left for Serbian people? What rights do Serbian people have in Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary? serbian politicians want to please every one except the Serbian people! What has Croatia, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria contributed to the well being of Serbia and it's people? Only death, destruction and the theft of our ancient and sacred lands from our neighbors! The only survival for Serbia and it's people is total bonding with Mother Russia, no other way will save our people and our remaining lands! I say we join Dear Mother Russia and turn our backs to the Devil!!!

In the Union European can develop only who know how to steal , that is why Romania have most big gdp grow from UE 2015-2016-2017

The Vlach problem from Serbia it got a more and more and more big attention more even than Republic of Moldova

From what i hear here Romania will block Serbia 100%

I see Serbia first quater of 2015 gdp grow 3,5% of course always in Romania grow always faster , in Romania in first quater it had grow with 5,7% and the deflation in april had grow from -3% in march to -4% , that because in Serbia is only 0,6% at moment consumption had grow up with 20% better even than before crisis .

All in All from 2017 we give the big hit the minimum salary will raise from 280 euro at 350 euro in 2 steps , average will grow from 440 euro to over 500 , and pensions will grow with 50%

Conclusion => In Union European, only the ones who know how to steal from West will find the prosperity . In 2012 our minimum salary was under the 150 euro from Albania , and now in 2016 is DOUBLE .

Little by little that animal called srbja will be domesticated.
(delon, 6 May 2016 15:45)

LOL as usual, literacy is a luxury in the land of Hoxha. Try reading the article which states that unlike Croatia's active blocking (which I assure you will be dismissed by the EC), Bulgaria and Romania will not block Serbia's accession but instead urge reforms that can easily be implemented while Serbia is undergoing the negotiation process.

You and that village idiot Azir must have jumped right to the comment section after figuring out what the headline was, right?

Because if there's any animal to tame, wait until Albania gets a go at it and is tied down by Serbia, Greece, Montenegro, and even Macedonia.

You ready for long overdue autonomy for Greeks in Northern Epirus?

And let's not even begin to think what hoops Kosovo will have to go through :)

This should come as no surprise to those bitter and vengeful Serbs that frequent b92. They are the ones responsible for Serbia's short comings and lack of advancement, not some foreign boogyman lurking on our borders . Didn't anyone consider the repercussions for Serbia each time our government used the same tactics toward our neighbors. Thank God for the advancement of Artificial Intelligence since the natural kind is so rare in Serbia.

this is great news ,please block,,,Serbia doesn't need to be taken over by the EU and take everything in the country like Croatia and other small places....Croatia is broke and has nothing,...so block everyone is begging you....EU is falling apart and aging and has nothing ,but Germany is taking all the money lolol they are smart while the rest are stupid....

Hmm, two more Nazi countries in the second world war, just like the Ustase. Interesting.

Uppss sorry for Serbia rollercoaster ride European path going to be. If country is against you maybe it's not your fault but three countries are against you its meaning something Serbia is doing WRONG

Moderate Serb
Vojvodina


is it a new Shqip trend to pretend Serbs?

neverforget : Hmm, two more Nazi countries in the second world war, just like the Ustase. Interesting.

To be exact 3 and a half states fought the Nazi (Britain, Yugoslavia, USSR and Greece) while all others directly supported Hitler. So deep in their hearts they hate us and our Victory over the rest of the continent. 17 states sent their brigades, divisions and armies to the USSR and now they dare to smell here ! I am happy that the two sucker EU members immitate independence. One phone call and they will wecome Serbs to their terrarium. So will the Croats and the main reserves in Poland and the 3 microstates in the Baltic. But do Serbs really need such a company? This is the real question ! And Vucic made a good trick replacing the direct referendum with the early voting without consequent obligations. As the Russians say TO PROMISE DOES NOT MEAN TO MARRY ...

Being married to a VLAJNA ,my wife hates it when they say she is a Romanian and not a Serb.From all the Vlach/VLASI people that i know,they dont want to be recognized as Romanians ,but Serbs

Well, perhaps this might be the time for Serbia to stop with the madness of joining the EU, the UK is leaving, what more do you want.
Serbia; for God's sake form a Commonwealth with Russia, have Putin build three military bases, Novi Sad, Belgrade, and say Nis. Then watch Nato bomb ever again. Djukanovic will be overthrown and Montenegro will follow. Open the doors for Chinese investment, the EU will sink Serbia, mark my words
(Miso, 7 May 2016 09:45)

Ooowww, that really is a scary scenario imagining a commonwealth between Serbia & Russia, it kind of reminds me of a cyclops or Frankenstein!!!
Now, to reality, Serbia has been primed for a total occupation to occurr rather soon as 95% of her inhabitants have completely lost their entire will & moral to fight or put up any type of resistance any longer! All that is needed now are the right circumstances!!!

"I can't imagine a more oppressed and harassed minority in all of Europe" i've always been intrigued as to why the most opressed and harassed minority in Europe doesnt just go out and protest? i mean, according to you they make up 15% of the total population, quite a number in a country that does not even number 4 million, yet they seem to tolerate their position. why? now logical thinking gives us 2 possibilities, they are neither opressed nor harrased or they like being opressed and harassed. you decide which one is likely scenario.

In 2012 our minimum salary was under the 150 euro from Albania , and now in 2016 is DOUBLE .
(adrian_bucharest, 6 May 2016 15:41)

Yes,Adrian the Albanian, read your statement .You state that "our minimum salary in Albania. We ,Serb know that you are not a Romanian, but a Shqiptars.!!.
Romania and Bulgaria, are requesting for their minorities more rights which they will get,and things will move on.But Croatia demand's for Serbia are not realistic and over the top!.

there are no such thing as greeks in Albania, but there are Albanian in the country we so called Greece. There are thousands of Albanians in Greece, how about their autonomy? As generation go by, Greece will be Albanian in the future. The wheel goes around i guess. Cant build a country in lies, tell germany how they did it? ;)

"they will after all vote in favor of opening chapter 23" monument ... Hopefully chapter 23 will be the deadline that will save Serbia from EU.

Now that's what i call good neighborly relations. Why would we want to join that sinking ship. African and arab invaders will ruin west Europe in a few years and if we are in the EU by then we will be ordered to accept them too. Not to mention the death of our culture and identity. Just keep blocking and thank you for doing us a favor.

Regarding the " Vlach Issue " and regarding the " Attrocities Commited on Serbian civilian populations by Nazi backed Romanians in the Vojvodina and Banat Region during World War Two? How much of our Serbian Blood and Tears will it take to please the Devil? How many young Serbian sons had to dig their own graves and be murdered on their ancient sacred home lands? Yes, I know what happened back then during World War Two, Tito did not consume my memories or my brain! My Dear Serbian Brothers and Sisters only with our Dear Mother Russia can we continue to live, what life is it with out Liberty and Peace? Nothing good will ever come from evil humanity, Srbija needs protection, Srbija needs Dear Mother Russia!!!

Little by little that animal called srbja will be domesticated.
(delon, 6 May 2016 15:45)

I just pray that she is not domesticated the way you Albanians domesticate your favorite goats and sheep.

"Little by little that animal called srbja will be domesticated."

Even an animal has more sense than to be bribed by something it doesn't want in order to get it to do something else it doesn't want to do.

Anytime Donkey! We'll give autonomy to them commensurate with the number of Greeks that actually live in Albania.
(Marko Bocari, 6 May 2016 21:39)

I'm glad you're that willing to cooperate since you'd better be prepared to lob off the lower-third of Albania in the process. See, by official standards, "Greeks" account for about 3% of the population due to census records Albanifying thousands of Greek places and place names. Under Hoxha, Epiriote Greeks were forced to change their names and were forced assimilated into Albanian culture on the goal of making the entire country ethnically homogeneous.

Now if you ask the people of the region what they really are, and don't threaten them with reprisals, they'd easily and openly identify as Greeks who have been living in the region for centuries. That 3% would jump to 15% at the absolute least. I can't imagine a more oppressed and harassed minority in all of Europe so it warms my heart to know you'd support their autonomy when the times comes.

A Commonwealth with Russia, have Putin build three military bases, Novi Sad, Belgrade, and say Nis. Then watch Nato bomb ever again. Djukanovic will be overthrown and Montenegro will follow. Open the doors for Chinese investment, the EU will sink Serbia, mark my words
(Miso, 7 May 2016 09:45)

A simple look a map will tell you this does not work, NATO surrounds Serbia, and for those supplies and trade to happen in Serbia, it needs to go through NATO and EU. You have no exit at sea and way to connect directly with Russia.

If you were geographically where, Ukraine is sure but not in Balkan.

So hence Serbia has no choice, about UK leaving if they do they have economy and ability to trade regardless of EU. Serbia gets aid and is dependent on investment from EU; Russia has no technology except military hence dependency in EU.

The reality is such, has nothing to do with anything more than ability else; otherwise, Serbia long ago would have acted. Serbia is trying to use an old book from Tito where he played East vs West however that was a different time and he was not surrounded by NATO.

Vucic, Nikolic are pure nationalist who would love to listen but cant. They both had to take another slap from same EU they want to join as Kosovo got Visa free seperate from Serbia and Uefa i know its just a game but it hurts just as much.

"You ready for long overdue autonomy for Greeks in Northern Epirus?"

Anytime Donkey! We'll give autonomy to them commensurate with the number of Greeks that actually live in Albania. If the majority of them live in Athens, and have been living there for the past 20 years, there's nothing for us to give. Most of them don't even have the Albanian citizenship any more to begin with.

So, this would be a very easy condition to fulfill. In any way you define North Epirus, the majority of the people living there would be Albanians. So we declare an area as autonomous, get in the EU, and then have a referendum in that area to abolish the autonomy. Let people decide. Happy?

Eric : “to be deported back to Dagestan where their ancestors arrived from”

You made me laugh long. I imagined the poor Shqiptars arrive to Dagestan. Please don’t be so cruel! After all we have only territorial problems that will be settled sooner or later.


Leonidas : “As Merkel said last year “In the view of the German government, the issue of reparations is politically and legally closed,”

Don’t forget that Israel was built at the cost of Germany. It’s a fary tale about the rich Jews and the USA. as 80% of the money came from the BRD.


Srboljub: If Serbia joins the Eu their plans go up in smoke.

WRONG! The head of the monster is in London while the body is in the USA. So it’s one creature and it does not care the EU either. They destroy national states even if they are headed by their own lackeys. Because without such states the world will be easier ruled and robbed. So EU is the next to be ruined if the English plan works.


MikeD : Bulgaria, not surprised. You were Nazi lovers back in the day. Romania? What's wrong? Bored because you still don't have an economy worthy of the EU or even the Arctic?

Romania of Antonescu was much worse than Bulgaria of tsar Boris. Ask about their atrocities in Ukraine!

These are American satellites, pure and simple.

These are American satellites, pure and simple.
(Srboljub, 6 May 2016 19:45)

Serbia is a satellite, too... so not sure what point you're trying to make :)

As generation go by, Greece will be Albanian in the future.
Eric
As future generations evolve it is more probable the remaining Albanian immigrants in Greece together with their compatriots in Albania and Kosovo to be deported back to Dagestan where their ancestors arrived from than taking over Greece.
Cant build a country in lies, tell germany how they did it? ;)
(eric,
Indeed .Having destroyed infrastructure ,housing and killing more than 600k people then they forced Greece to give nazi Germany 476 million reichmarks ($14 billion) during its occupation. If an average 4% interest had been accrued over 71 years, the loan and compound interest would’ve corresponded to $193 billion in today’s terms.However,the new Stasi-led German government is refusing to pay not only reparations but the loan as well.As Merkel said last year “In the view of the German government, the issue of reparations is politically and legally closed,” In the mean time Germany continues to pay generous pensions to its own former nazi soldiers and even those veterans of Spain’s Blue Division (which fought on the Eastern Front during World War II).

Bilabo you are an amusing individual,at best, but more profound is your ability to tread in some manure and be unable to scrape it off your shoe. To imply that Russia has no technology is frankly bizzare when one thinks of space travel,exploration,military hardware and associated electronics. You need to go and lie down in the shade for a while to recover your senses. Much of the remainder of your posting is also banal and verging on the ridiculous!!

Well, perhaps this might be the time for Serbia to stop with the madness of joining the EU, the UK is leaving, what more do you want.
Serbia; for God's sake form a Commonwealth with Russia, have Putin build three military bases, Novi Sad, Belgrade, and say Nis. Then watch Nato bomb ever again. Djukanovic will be overthrown and Montenegro will follow. Open the doors for Chinese investment, the EU will sink Serbia, mark my words

Why do you Serbs want to be in the EU? Hopefully we Brits will vote out.

I'm glad you're that willing to cooperate since you'd better be prepared to lob off the lower-third of Albania in the process. See, by official standards, "Greeks" account for about 3% of the population due to census records Albanifying thousands of Greek places and place names. Under Hoxha, Epiriote Greeks were forced to change their names and were forced assimilated into Albanian culture on the goal of making the entire country ethnically homogeneous.

Now if you ask the people of the region what they really are, and don't threaten them with reprisals, they'd easily and openly identify as Greeks who have been living in the region for centuries. That 3% would jump to 15% at the absolute least. I can't imagine a more oppressed and harassed minority in all of Europe so it warms my heart to know you'd support their autonomy when the times comes.
(Donkey Hoxha, 7 May 2016 01:39)

Yes, I'll support them too. Get that 15% and I'll join you. One thing to keep in mind. This is not Serbia. Greeks in Albania have always had high positions in the Parliament and government. The old people I mentioned earlier; They left Greece and came back because Greeks mistreated them. I know this because 50 years ago under Hoxha this family didn't speak a lick of Albanian, until they went to university and became my parents best friends. Now they're back home and their kids are in the States. They left Greece in 2001. So many like them. They still have their Greek names.

Britain will be better off out.

Serbia will be better off in.

The world is full of paradoxes.

"I'm glad you're that willing to cooperate since you'd better be prepared to lob off the lower-third of Albania in the process. "

They're gone, Donkey, they're gone to greener pastures. You can theorize as much as you want on the internet, but there's not many left there.

The only one who can help Srbija is Russia !

Well that really says a lot. The three most corrupt countries in the EU hanging out together, not to mention that neither Romania nor Bulgaria yet fulfil the acquis communautaire they were obliged to implement in full before their official joining date of the EU of January 1, 2007.

But, that's Brussels for you. There is "Rule of Law" and then there is Brussels interpretation of "Rule of Law". Neither has much to do with the other.

Yes the carrot & stick approach from your future overlords in Brussels (aka Washington, London, Berlin). Of course it is not the overlord’s fault that their little pets the Croatians, Bulgarians and Romanians exercise the stick on you, they will take the blame so as to shield their masters from responsibility. Will Serbia whimper for more scraps like a dog that has been beaten too much or will we find a new viable direction (Eurasian Economic Union)? If you keep voting for the same political parties then get used to this, except once they have you in the cage the stick will only get bigger and more frequent if you don’t lick the master’s boot. Good luck on your EU journey and say goodbye to sovereignty; just observe your neighbors like Greece, they voted for a party that would end the EU yoke and so what happened? Into the bottomless pit you go!

It is quite telling that none of these countries had to do anything for the Serbian minority to get in the EU.
But also this shows why Serbia should stay FREE of the EU.
The EU demands and policies have NOT helped Serbia's economy or culture, nor has it helped Serbs' rights.

Croatia is extremely abusive and discriminatory against Serbs and Roma, yet the EU is fine with that.
Also, Serbian displaced and refugees will not be able to get their homes and property back, even if Serbia joins the EU because the EU is full of DOUBLE STANDARDS AND HYPOCRISY.

The biggest irony is that they 'block' with the intention of essentially demanding a better quality of life for 'their' minorities, but in doing so, they themselves block 'their' minorities from exactly that; an institution that they consider will provide a better quality of life - for the nation, including 'their' minorities. Politics................

Icj- the point is there are elements in state and cia who wish to destabilise the Balkans and carve up Serbia. If Serbia joins the Eu their plans go up in smoke. it would take one call from Washington to get these haters to stop being so childish.

Leonidas : I am not Eric and you should read his comment and then mine before you accuse me of being someone else.


Leonidas I think you are too nervous for such a glorious day like May 9 … Take it is easy as we have nothing to divide. We have similar viewing of the current events but we understand different the events in the ancient times. 95% of my comments are placed under this nickname as I hate prostitution in any form. Also if you read your comment you will find that logically you were Eric. Maybe you were busy with something else. We tried to persuade one another for several times and it was all in vain. So don’t use slogans. If you have something based on facts we can talk about it. But if you start persuading me of the same things in the “ancient” times be ready to explain why Gomer’s poems were first written on paper centuries after he died or how could Alexander seize Siberia if he wasn’t a Russian or how could Aristotle and Zeus appear in Drevo Yesseevo (life tree of Jesus) on the old icon painted on the walls of this church inside Moscow Kremlin ect. By the way most damaged is the Russian history and it’s only thanks to the Internet we receive new evidence of the real truth today. Not to hurt you I am ready to show the mystification on any other country’s example.

http://kraeved1147.ru/blagoveshhenskiy-1/

Block it all you want. You're now in the same petty pool of EU underdogs that Croatia is in. Serbia doesn't need the EU. Your countries slipped in but do nothing for the EU. Bulgaria, not surprised. You were Nazi lovers back in the day. Romania? What's wrong? Bored because you still don't have an economy worthy of the EU or even the Arctic?

Leonidas

Congratulations Leonidas ! It's a good day today and we are not to spoil it for useless conflicts . Besides there was no sarcasm in my comment. I really laughed long and I really believe that such a deportation to Caucasus is a too cruel act. I know this region well enough to imagine what will happen to such newcomers. You would be surprised to see the Victory Parade that was conducted in Grozny city today. Only 3500 decorated with orders and medals were allowed to take part. Ramzan Kadirov ended his speech as follows С ДНЕМ ПОБЕДЫ ! АЛЛАХО АКБАР! This is the place where Eric offered to deport his neighbors and it’s too cruel while I was unaware that you used this nickname. Tatars in Crimea were frozen when they learned that the deployed “greens” were Chechens. It meant that the jokes were over and that there will be as much blood as it will be required. In two days the Chechens were withdrawn because they were easy to be provoked while Russia meant a peaceful process. Such are all northern Caucasians including Dagestan. By the way Stalin was an Ossetian and you could see how firm he was. He stayed in Moscow knowing that the Germans had seized every city they had sieged. Read about the Wild Division (Дикая дивизия) composed of the northern Caucasians. Even the Ottomans failed to control this region and now you or Eric are ready to deport the Shqiptars to this region? It’s really cruel though I am not their club member.

You ready for long overdue autonomy for Greeks in Northern Epirus?

And let's not even begin to think what hoops Kosovo will have to go through :)
(Donkey Hoxha, 6 May 2016 16:17)

Gather enough Greeks there to vote for it and as an Albanian I will come and join you and even campaign for you. By you I mean the Greeks. The problem is that there are very few. Even when 3 main Albanian parties split the vote the vast majority of the time it's still an Albanian being elected. What is there, is half empty villages with no young people. The young people are in the US, Germany, Western Europe after having left Albania and then Greece. I know this cause a few of them are my buddies. You can gather all the Greek villages there and you still can't fill a 30 000 people stadium. Once you get enough people I'll join the cause. Until then, you got nothing.

These are American satellites, pure and simple.
(Srboljub, 6 May 2016 19:45)

Serbia is a satellite, too... so not sure what point you're trying to make :)
(icj1, 7 May 2016 01:06)

Icj- the point is there are elements in state and cia who wish to destabilise the Balkans and carve up Serbia. If Serbia joins the Eu their plans go up in smoke. it would take one call from Washington to get these haters to stop being so childish.
(Srboljub, 8 May 2016 10:31)

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that state and cia's top priority is to destabilise the Balkans and carve up Serbia. That's what they work on day and night and yada, yada, yada... :)

But what does that have to do with the satellites story that we were discussing?!

You made me laugh long. I imagined the poor Shqiptars arrive to Dagestan. Please don’t be so cruel! After all we have only territorial problems that will be settled sooner or later.

I am glad i made you laugh.In the meantime stick to your conspiracy theories on history and i will stick to my ones.You see the mentally disturbed do not employ the Principle of Scientific Parsimony- the most simple theory to explain a given set of facts. They shoot for the baroque.

Stratioti sounds rather Ossetian than Shqiptar because their ancestor Alans settled in the north of Italy. And it’s the only place where family names ending with “ti” are coming from. In no other region of Italy you will find such family names. Some of them like Bugati/Bugatti can be found both in Italy and Ossetia. So I doubt it very much that this Stratioti was one of you. According to Mauro Orbini Alans were a Slavic tribe close to the Goths.

“Mercurio Bua, Count of Aquino and Roccasecca (Nafplion 1478 – Treviso c. 1542) was an Albanian nobleman and a famed … commander of the Venetian army” is written in your link. But let’s be reasonable. During his lifetime even a fly could not cross those lands without permission from the Mongol Horde. So he could be only the Horde’s man. To say nothing that he served the Venetians who were one of the Slav tribes and obeyed Veliki Novgorod.

We never saw you fighting last 200 years and in most cases every mentioning of Albanians means only Russian people from one single part of the land – north-west Russia, Byelorussia, Sweden (Светия), Pomerania (Поморье), Poland (Поляне), Austria (Аустрики = eastern reich), Parma (Пермь), part of Germany, Prussia (П-Руссия), Borussia (Поруссия) and part of Ukraine, Balkans ect. Only those people were Albanians i.e. White Hordians. Even other Russians could not call themselves Albanians because it was the main of all other hordes.

I really never new we had so many friends.please keep it up.

ABOUT WHO WERE THE ALBANIANS


MOSCOVIA URBS METROPOLIS TO: tius Russiae Albae. =
MOSCOVIA CITY METROPOLIS TO: there Russian White

http://geoportal.rgo.ru/iipview/57

Leonidas

Ottoman history is specific because :

1/ Diplomatically the Europeans made them fight against their only potential ally – Russia where we always played the role of the aggressor supported by Europe before 19 century when the Tsars finally became Russians.

2/ Culturally the Atamans/Osmans were apart from Europe so they used other geographic names and other people’s names. Most often Arab ones. This language was an artificial one developed specially for the scientists called Arabs. Later most of the Semite tribes were granted with this name as it was the only language they could communicate though all of them spoke different.

3/ Turkey has never been occupied so most of the ocuments are still alive or were destroyed to match their own version of history. After 1572 there were 4 calendars – Catholic, Russian +5508 years (от сотворения мира в звездном храме), the Ataman Hijjra calendar - 622 years and finally Church calendar starting in 1185 when Jesus was executed on Beykos hill near Yoros hill,Turkey. So any document dated otherwise is false. For instance before 1700 in Russia was used only Russian calendar = 7208 plus the church dating = 515. But even decades later the old church calendar was widely used.

4/ In 19 century Ottomans became dependant from France and Britain and they had to do lots of things they didn’t liked. One of them was letting the Europeans into their archives where many documents were stolen.

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Leonidas

5/ The Atamans wrote a history of their own. They were sure of their religious and cultural superiority taking routes from the Horde and Byzantine while Europeans were illegal tyrants. So their history though detailed was different from what we believe in. In many cases they gave a better picture of the past and the religion because Islam was a version of Orthodoxy first.

6/ So Turkish achieves as well the Iranians have very good potential. Last month I read a treaty’s text between the Sultan and the German-Russian Tsar. It’s an amazing document and it was found in the Turkish achieves. Dated 1566 it was written in Russian as the only language both emperors knew … and the Ataman Sultan was dominating while Tsar Alexey begged him to set free the Russian/Swedish Karl … But our history tells us as if Sweden has always been mortal enemy of ours!

7/ Greeks made the elite of the Ottomans and all 4 sorts of Greeks were inside this empire so in a great degree it's your own history. So are the Balkan peoples who repeat Oldenburgs' manthras today ...

P.S. Visiting a Greek museum of antique times is same as going to Museum of the Soviet occupation in Tbilisi or Yad Hashem in Jerusalem. That’s why you cannot vote for your country in InterVision tonight. My daughter was on cover page of the Greek IQ Beauty this year but like myself she's never been to Greece. Sure I’d like to be there but I am afraid I’ll see other things from what you expect me to see there.

Berlin paid 115m Deutschmarks to Athens in 1960 in compensation. It was a fraction of the Greek demand but was made with the agreement there would be no more claims. Greece says the 1960 deal did not cover key demands, including payments for damaged infrastructure, war crimes and the return of a forced loan exacted from occupied Greece.
Germany insists the issue of compensation was settled in 1990 legally and politically before Germany reunified and has questioned why Greece did not negotiate when it entered the eurozone.

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Leonidas

Please calm down to talk about anything that do not drive you mad. I won’t talk about Greece and you will not mention Macedonians. Fomenko gave only the idea while hundreds of Russians make their own investigations that are not less amazing. Before I dropped to the b92 this time I was watching a film about the Chinese Tartaria and the Russian geographic names in China and about the false Russian documents printed in Europe + about two unknown Russian Emperors mentioned and portrayed in the left part of the map.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVhDSXOak0g

before that it was a film about the falsified history of the 19 century

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIMWfHn7q8E

before that it was a film about the mystification of the siege of Leningrad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCr1ozqYYhQ

truth about the strange war of 1812

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92bhzSYwvOg

Where do you see Fomenko here? According to him history of 18-19 centuries is more or less true. I doubt it very much though I believe that this century history books will be based on Fomenko. It’s a pity that you do not talk Russian but if you behave I can give you links or translate documents. When I ask of things like Zeus, Hercules and Aristotle painted on walls of two Russian churches think twice before you laugh because we had Greek patriarchs at the time.

Leonidas

This family tree of Jesus in Kremlin was painted by famous Feofan Greek in 15 century. There are 11 more such trees on church walls. 2 in Greece, 5 in Serbia, 1 in Romania, 2 in Georgia and 1 in Vladimir. Translate by yourself.

ДРЕВО ИЕССЕЕВО И ГРЕЧЕСКИЕ МУДРЕЦЫ В РОСПИСЯХ СОБОРА
Сюжет росписи в своде галереи – “Древо Иессеево”. Такой же сюжет украшал и предшествующий собор, расписанный Феофаном Греком. Это родовое древо Иисуса Христа. Как известно, Спаситель происходит из рода царя Давида. Лежащего Иессея, предка Давида, Соломона и других царей израильских можно видеть в северной галерее над изображением Спаса Нерукотворного Лежащий Иессей – фреска XIX века. (Снимок неудачный, лучшего нет). От него отходит древо и в овалах написаны 14 царей из рода Давида. Заканчивается древо Божией Матерью, держащей на коленях младенца Иисуса Христа. Здесь же в это древо включены Ветхозаветные пророки и Илионские мудрецы. (Греческие и римские мудрецы,так как они предрекали рождение младенца Христа от Девы Марии.) Интересно изображение Гомера – в северной галерее, на южной стене. В западной галереи на пилястре между окнами изображён Вергилий. 1547-1551 В свитках содержаться надписи. У Сократа читаем: “Доброго мужа никакое зло не постигнет. Душа наша бессмертна. По смерти будет добрым награда, а злым – наказание”. У Платона: “ Должно надеяться, что Сам Бог ниспошлет небесного Учителя и Наставника людям” ...

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http://kraeved1147.ru/blagoveshhenskiy-1/

LEONIDAS

Be reasonable and don’t provoke for something that is Greek directly and happened or not too long ago. Ottomans is a more or less neural theme where we can see or that the history was totally falsified. For instance peoples of the Balkans had no problems with self-identification before they joined Europe. You know why? Because the Ottoman Empire was built like the Great Horde where nationality played little role. You behave and pay taxes and nobody cares what you do the rest of time. This balance was destroyed in early 19 century. Brits aka the Oldenburgs stood behind it as you know. They told Balkan peoples who will be Greeks, Bulgarians, Macedonians, Serbs, Bosniaks, Montenegrins, Romans, Turks ect. They wrote basic history of every nation here then they filled it with songs and legends. They changed languages of all Slavic peoples including Russia so that they stop speaking the same language. During the Ottomans national and religious issues weren’t important. All Orthodox people belonged to the Miliet-I Rum i.e. People of Rome with Greek patriarch at their head. There were 4 such Milliets in Atamania including Muslim one. They were absolutely autonomous to choose languages to speak or teach or the way they prayed. This is why there were little national or religious conflicts in the Empire. Besides 1702 was the year when the last time a Sultan was buried in accordance with Orthodoxy. Many Sultans were born and died in Greek Adrianople.

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@Dragoljub Djurkovic Serbs have every right in Romania: they have the right to official serbian language in villages and cities where they are more than 20%, they have a GUARANTEED reprezentative in the Romanian Parlament, they have their own church, in the serbian language. In fact, the romanian people have a simpathy towards the serbian people. Romania did not kill any serbs during WWII, even though Hitler tried to give a piece of Serbia to Romania, in exchange for Northern Transilvania, which was given to the hungarians by the nazis. Romania REJECTED such offers. Don't be absurd. Romanians in Serbia dont want to secede from Serbia, they just want to use their language and not be called "vlachs", which is an aberation. Romania and Serbia share a culture and a past togheter. I remind you: the serbs are one of the most apreciated people by the romanians. I understand your fears, but give the romanians in the Timoc the rights to be serbians of romanian descent and we will be ok. By the way, the EU is not worth it. You're better off without.

I know this region well enough to imagine what will happen to such newcomers.
They may be newcomers to you but not to the ancient Greek historian Arrian.who claims that Albanians were amongst the troops of Darius in the battle at Gaugamela against Alexander the Great.I’d rather not continue since you’re a firm believer in your own fantasies than the Greek or Roman “fairy tales” as you call them.

This is the place where Eric offered to deport his neighbors and it’s too cruel while I was unaware that you used this nickname.

I’ve spoken many times in the past against the practice by posters mainly Albanians and yourself who use many aliases to attack anyone that doesn’t agree with them.B92 will confirm that I am not Eric and you should read his comment and then mine before you accuse me of being someone else.

Leonidas - 2

Let’s talk about the Balkans so that other people are also interested. In 1453 Mehmet II seized Constantinople. But little attention is paid to where from he attacked the city. It’s very important as we know that there were no “Turks” at the time on the Balkans. We are told as if they came from Asia to beat the Beliks in Anatolia on their way to Constantinople. But we all know that the 53 day siege and attack were launched from the north and via the Golden Horn. Mehmet II pulled the ships on the surface to strike where Constantine XI did not expect. So it was the Balkan people who seized the city. Who were those people? Most likely they were Slavs. At least the first thing they did was to rename the city. Now they called it СТАН БУЛГАР that became СТАНБУЛ later. Now enter Wikipedia and see the 6 idiotic versions they give. But before that visit toilet coz it will be too funny. As you know Mehmet II had many supporters inside the city and most likely many of them were Greeks. How could they help Muslims I wonder? Also ask yourself why were the Serbs so close to the Sultans for at least 400 years? The answer is simple – their ruling dynasty of Niemanici and the Sultans belonged to the same Rurikovici dynasty while there was much Greek blood in them too. They had several friendly dynasties like the Komnins and the Paleologs and one hostile (the Angels) that formed England later.

Leonidas

Please don’t slip away as the Ottomans is something we can talk without nerves. All because unlike Moscow their territory has never been seized by the Catholics. So most of the documents were not cleaned out. For your better understanding I have to explain what Njemanici means. This family name has only one interpretation – people from Neman or Nemanovs. Neman River was in the middle of the White Horde i.e. where the Albanians/Whites lived. Also they liked to add to their family name word Urosh that means Russian in many languages including Hungarian (Orosh). It looks quite natural because since Byzantine most reliable people were appointed as governors of territories. Such were the Russian kniazes of 11-12 centuries appointed from Byzantine. And this is why they had non-Slav appearance :

1/ Dmirty I Ivanovic Donskoy … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Donskoy#/media/File:Dmitri_Donskoy.jpg aka Murad I aka Constantine I. later I’ll prove that all 3 were one man.

2/ His grandpa Ivan Kalita/Calif aka Batu Khan/Vatican aka Prester John

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD_I_%D0%94%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87_%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0

3/ His Grandpa’s elder brother Yuri/Georgy Danilovic aka Gengis Khan aka St.George

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B5%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%86

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@ ROTE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercurio_Bua

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratioti

Rote
On close reading,your posting is so ridiculous that I feel silly for even dignifying it with an answer.However I've always had a bit of a soft spot for truly absurd revisions of history and despite your obvious nonsense I think it's fun to dip for a laugh and to serve as a reminder of how low can people reach in making things up for their nationalist agenda.

Fomenko's pseudoscience(that’s what you’re talking about) is the most nonsensical rewriting of world history based on made up lies.Indeed,there were no ancient Greece,China,Rome,Egypt,Iran and all other ancient entities,there were no middle Ages and early modern history are the same events with the same people with different names.The Ottoman emperor Suleiman was in fact Solomon(not even D Icke could claim that)and Palestine was in fact Western Germany. Furthermore, the Spanish,Portuguese,British,French empires never happened and were in fact Russian empires
Yes, that;s right - here we really get down to it. Russia used to pretty much rule the world. Mongols and Tartars - a myth - they were all part of Greater Russia. Turks? Also Russians. Basically, Russia was the most powerful and most important country in the whole world for the whole of recorded history, until some nasty Germans put a foreign dynasty in power and lied about it all.

Fomenko gave only the idea

That’s not correct. Fomenko re-constructed history with his own pseudo one basedOn Ptolemy’s almagest which you conveniently avoid to mention in any of your comments.Without Ptolemy there is no Fomenko’s history. However as Newton writes in his book "The Crime of Claudius Ptolemy" Ptolemy fabricated most of the solar eclipse data without observing the eclipses. He further accuses Ptolemy that his almagest contains a lot of stars whose positions he did not observe.The same points have been made by other astronomers such as Tychus,Galileo and Copernicus.Therefore, all the data used by Fomenko to produce his pseudo-history are wrong.
Your link s to some videos do not produce history.If you really want to see history I urge you to visit the new state of the art Acropolis museum in Athens. which is one of the most high profile museums built in Europe in the 21st century and you’ll be overwhelmed by history.

Leonidas

Please don’t slip away as the Ottomans is something we can talk without nerve.

I've said to you in the past that I've read Ottoman history extensively as written by Ottomans and not by historians and I have to admit that I was impressed by their detailed records.However,nothing that I've read bears any resemblance to anything you've posted to date.