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Monday, 21.03.2016.

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Croatia making "unprovoked, empty threats" - FM

Croatia is making unprovoked, empty threats against Serbia, Serbian First Deputy PM and Foreign Minister Ivica Dacic told daily Blic on Sunday.

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Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Our resident artificial intelligence’s attempt at wit. I recall one comment saying that it’s impossible to debate anything with a fool LOL.
(sj, 23 March 2016 07:45)


Its only Albanian Idiots fool's overture. Let's see if the moron can actually decipher the words of the British leader. Care to place a wager?

Fool's Overture - Roger Hodgson (writer and composer) with Orchestra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBefDWSMNaQ

icj1

pre 8 godina

Well, it looks like Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Slovenia preferred that vs being under Serbia's control.
(icj1, 22 March 2016 13:42)

I didn't know Tito, Mesic, Markovic etc were Serbian!
(Jugoslavija, 22 March 2016 19:24)

Ok, good for you, but not sure why I should care about what you know or don't know :)
(icj1, 22 March 2016 20:49)

Our resident artificial intelligence’s attempt at wit. I recall one comment saying that it’s impossible to debate anything with a fool LOL.
(sj, 23 March 2016 07:45)

Yup, I totally agree with the CE of B92 forums sj, as always, that as I wrote I could not care less about what our dear friend Jugoslavija knows or does not know and that's impossible to debate anything with a fool like him/her :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

sj

pre 8 godina

Ok, good for you, but not sure why I should care about what you know or don't know :)
(icj1, 22 March 2016 20:49)

Our resident artificial intelligence’s attempt at wit. I recall one comment saying that it’s impossible to debate anything with a fool LOL.

icj1

pre 8 godina

Well, it looks like Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Slovenia preferred that vs being under Serbia's control.
(icj1, 22 March 2016 13:42)

I didn't know Tito, Mesic, Markovic etc were Serbian!
(Jugoslavija, 22 March 2016 19:24)

Ok, good for you, but not sure why I should care about what you know or don't know :)

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

But dont take my word for it, maybe you should ask Serb workers and see what they think:
(aaa, 22 March 2016 09:48)

Good article actually especially comments made by a truck driver from FYROM;

"Vanco Gogov, aged 54, from Macedonia, who has been trapped on the border since Monday, recalled that the Batrovci crossing used to work smoothly on both sides.There were no problems with customs or with police, even in the days when Slobodan Milosevic was in power in Serbia, he said. “The problem has to be solved by the EU because the EU is responsible for this crisis, but I do not have any faith that they will succeed,” he added.“The Balkans needs to unite, as it was united before the [former Yugoslav] wars,” he continued. Vanco, aged 54, drives a chemical substance called Feldspat, which is a key ingredient in glass production. The raw material is produced in his native Macedonia. He takes it first to Paracin, in Serbia, where a well-known glass factory uses it for production, and then to Novo Mesto in Slovenia. He worries that the humidity will damage his lorry if he is stuck for much longer in Batrovci. He was not prepared to travel for more than four days and cannot understand why the Croats are treating ordinary people like this.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Well, it looks like Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Slovenia preferred that vs being under Serbia's control.
(icj1, 22 March 2016 13:42)

I didn't know Tito, Mesic, Markovic etc were Serbian!

aaa

pre 8 godina

(Ari Gold, 22 March 2016 15:32)

Where are you wrong? Hmmm where to begin?

Please provide a source listing Serbia as Croatia's top export destination. They may well be one of the bigger trading partners, but no where near important as you make them out to be.

Of course Serbian businesses dont depend solely on Croatia, and the trade may very well be in Croatia's favour. But if these businesses (in Serbia) which are Croatian owned are hit by sanctions, what would happen when:
- they are unable to pay their Serbian workers
- they fire them
- other Serbian businesses which have contracts with these companies (like those truck drivers) need to look elsewhere

Unless of course these workers/other businesses are offering their services for free.

Croatia may very well feel the brunt of sanctions more than Serbia, but if you think Serbian business wouldnt suffer then you are wrong.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

(aaa, 22 March 2016 09:48)

Nope, it is you who needs to check the figures for yourself. And then ask yourself why did Croatia stand down after closing borders with Serbia? They will tell you the EU made them, but after Serbia put Croatia under sanctions, they made the biggest u-turn ever.

Serb workers do not 'depend' on Croatian businesses, in the slightest. Croatian businesses depend on working in Serbia, especially if they are food processors. Fact is, trade only goes one way and that is in Croatia's favor. Blocking access to the EU will not hurt Serbia at all, but sanctions would cripple Croatia's economy. Where am I wrong?

icj1

pre 8 godina

The whole idea of dismembering Yugoslavia was to make them all weak and dependent on someone and easy to control.
(Peggy, 21 March 2016 23:21)

Well, it looks like Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Slovenia preferred that vs being under Serbia's control.

icj1

pre 8 godina

I hope and pray that Serbia never joins the EU.
(sj, 22 March 2016 08:58)

It's so exciting that the wishes of the CE of B92 forums sj align so well with Kosovo's wishes.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

shakinginmyboots

pre 8 godina

Same chetnik hubris every single day. Thank God this time you don't have a fully trained and armed military to attack civilians like 25 years ago. Castro moved on even if he does not recognize 'holy Kosovo', why is it so hard for this clown to admit that 1990s will never return. Trumps wife is from Slovenia, so don't count on the fact that he would be passive like HW Bush and James Baker were.

aaa

pre 8 godina

(Ari Gold, 21 March 2016 18:37)

'there still exists a high degree of obsession and paranoia in Croatian society that they will probably never get over. This is indicative when you look at the recent election of the neo-fascist HDZ party.'

Then one can only wonder what it says about Serbia if Milosevic's old partners-in-crime are in currently in power.

'There are so many reasons why Croatia deserves it, but economically the damage will only go one way. Croatia's largest export market is Serbia, many Croats purchase Serbian companies'

Wishful thinking on your part. So the numerous Serbian employees working for Croatian-owned companies, and other Serbian companies depending on trade/business contracts wont be affected? But dont take my word for it, maybe you should ask Serb workers and see what they think:

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/drivers-pay-price-for-serbia-croatia-border-war-09-25-2015

And Serbia is only Croatia's sixth largest export market, double check your figures next time.

sj

pre 8 godina

(observerb, 21 March 2016 17:37)

I don’t live in the Balkans either. Let me add at the onset that I hope and pray that Serbia never joins the EU.
I know how in theory the system should work, but in reality it does not follow the process you have outlined. I am talking about when the news cameras are switched off and what happens behind closed doors. That is when the real decisions are made not when voting in parliaments; the parliament part is all for show when they want to rubber stamp it – sad but true.
Remember this, there is only one golden rule in life and that is he who has the gold makes the rules –Germany for now has the gold; and yes Merkel can guarantee entry into the EU. It did just that where Croatia was involved and that country was not even close for entry. If it makes you feel nice and warm inside to think there is a democratic process in all of this please feel free to think that.
Sadly, Serbia is too important for the EU to not allow it to join. It’s a fact and you can give all the guarantees that you like but it will happen and Seselj will continue to behave as he does now.

sasa.p from Jagodina, Serbia

pre 8 godina

wrong again as usual. First of all, I am not Croatian, and do not live in the Balkans.

Second, you forget that each EU member parliment has to vote on any new country allowed to become a member. Each and every parliment in any EU country has to agree to it, if one doesn't that country can't join. So you think Mrs. Merkel can influence and decide how all these MOP's vote. You are very wrong about that, and I can guarentee you that Serbia in its present state would not be accepted. There is no way Serbia will get away with his Sesyil tricks, and threatening its neighbors. We don't need, we do not want countries like that, no matter what you i...., sj think or say. just forget it.
(observerb, 21 March 2016 17:37)

No,you are a Shqipire (not Hrvat), and you comment on Balkans, living in a Western Country, on a comfortable seat behind a computer,and not living and dealing everyday live in the Balkans.
You as well,
You DON'T sit in meeting's in Brussels to Know what is going to be voted and who decided the EU votes!!!.
P's sit comfortably behind your computer and write non-sense,on the Balkans without living there.!.

Tom

pre 8 godina

Serbia is burrying its head in the sand. Instead on working to remove Zagrebs concerns about cooperation with the Hague and the issue of universal jurisdiction, it has decided to do nothing. Whats worse is that Serbia is revolting against a full fledged member state, which has the power to delay negotiations. This cant be good for Serbia.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Observer said:
"Second, you forget that each EU member parliment has to vote on any new country allowed to become a member. Each and every parliment in any EU country has to agree to it, if one doesn't that country can't join".
================
True, but why are you so sure that they are not told what to think and what to decide by Germany? Croatia, especially wouldn't be independent right now if it wans't for Germany backing it. Germany has always been in control of Croatia and Croatians are more than willing to do whatever they are told by Merkel.
Oh, they try at times to look tought and independent but how many times have they had to eat humble pie? Why is that.
The whole idea of dismembering Yugoslavia was to make them all weak and dependent on someone and easy to control.

truthiness

pre 8 godina

...All are pathetic, broke, poor, squabbling, little scraps of states with crumbling infrastructures, dysfunctional leadership, and economies perpetually one month away from systemic bankruptcy.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 21 March 2016 20:01)

Pretty much sums it up. Regardless of what your background is, you can't deny the truth.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 8 godina

They are demanding his presence but they are not waiting for his presence. Big difference.
(Gjon Marku, 21 March 2016 14:53)

A bit difficult to take seriously wouldn't you say? What are they going to do? Send in a squad to capture him? Expect him to get on a plane for his jailtime? The most they can do is put pressure on Serbia to hand him over if there's a sentence, but they're pretty happy to see him go.

Unlike other EU countries, Croatia cant be fooled by serbia. No matter how much they speak of neutrality and politics of peace. Croatia and all other neighbors knows that serbia is still lightyears away from being a democratic country.
(Gjon Marku, 21 March 2016 14:53)

Albanians are usually the only people in the region who believe that claptrap coming from Zagreb. Croatia's leaders right now are a gaggle of kleptocratic nationalists who would name every airport, hotel, and WC after Tudjman. Croatia was sorely "fooled" a few months ago when it decided to play border patrol and irked Belgrade, Budapest, and Brussels. As much as you may like to think local Balkan leaders know something the rest of Europe doesn't, nobody outside the region cares. And don't flatter yourself thinking one country is democratically lightyears ahead of the other. All are pathetic, broke, poor, squabbling, little scraps of states with crumbling infrastructures, dysfunctional leadership, and economies perpetually one month away from systemic bankruptcy.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

Even after the 'success' of Jasenovac and Oluja in completely eradicating the Serbian population there still exists a high degree of obsession and paranoia in Croatian society that they will probably never get over. This is indicative when you look at the recent election of the neo-fascist HDZ party. I know that if there is an EU for Serbia to join in 2020, it wont bring a lot of benefit to the people just as it didn't in Croatia.

But if you continue with this policy it will force Serbia to rethink placing Croatia under sanctions. There are so many reasons why Croatia deserves it, but economically the damage will only go one way. Croatia's largest export market is Serbia, many Croats purchase Serbian companies.

The damage Serbia can do to Croatia economically is as plain as day. This was the case just last August when the previous government in Zagreb closed borders with Serbia over migrants. Serbia announced economic sanctions and Croatia stood down within 48 hours, to my disappointment.

observerb

pre 8 godina

So you think that each member state makes that decision, do you? You poor deluded Croat.
On the surface the EU looks like a democracy, but behind the scenes it does not even come close to it. Germany is king s*** and they tell everyone else what to do.
(sj, 21 March 2016 13:43)

wrong again as usual. First of all, I am not Croatian, and do not live in the Balkans.

Second, you forget that each EU member parliment has to vote on any new country allowed to become a member. Each and every parliment in any EU country has to agree to it, if one doesn't that country can't join. So you think Mrs. Merkel can influence and decide how all these MOP's vote. You are very wrong about that, and I can guarentee you that Serbia in its present state would not be accepted. There is no way Serbia will get away with his Sesyil tricks, and threatening its neighbors. We don't need, we do not want countries like that, no matter what you i...., sj think or say. just forget it.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 8 godina

You are totally wrong in all regards,
Croatia will soon come for Bosnia i Herzegovina and Serbia will never Join The EU.
And by the Way,
there is nothing wrong with Seselj,
He and His assossiates will soon be needed and save Serbia from political Evil,

Arn.Sweden.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Former Croatian President Ivo Josipovic has got it right so far;

``Former Croatian president Ivo Josipović said today that Croatia was regressing in a political and social sense. One of the proofs is the proposed budget for this year which does not bring any reforms or indications that Croatia could move forward. "In society, there is a strengthening of political and ethnic intolerance, of encouraging and glorifying of fascism, which is not appropriate for the 21st century. And, therefore, it seems that Croatia is in a state of political and social regression which is dangerous for the democratic and economic development of the country", said Josipović at a press conference, reports Večernji List on March 17, 2016.``https://www.total-croatia-news.com/politics/2956-former-president-ivo-josipovic-comments-on-latest-events

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

It's a bit difficult to take seriously the frustrated paranoia of lijepa njihova regarding Seselj when even the ICTY isn't demanding Seselj be present at the reading of the verdict
(Balkan Anthropologist, 21 March 2016 14:30)

They are demanding his presence but they are not waiting for his presence. Big difference.

Unlike other EU countries, Croatia cant be fooled by serbia. No matter how much they speak of neutrality and politics of peace. Croatia and all other neighbors knows that serbia is still lightyears away from being a democratic country. Keep that sh*** up croatia! United we stand.

From Kosova with love.

aaa

pre 8 godina

These pathetic Croats. Their lives revolve around Serbia. a bit like the Albanians in that regard. Nothing to do, no interests, just bile.
(Jeff, 21 March 2016 11:51)

The Serbs are in no position to point the finger regarding comments - their own politicans are quite eager to comment everytime someone so much as farts in a neighbouring country.

Given the amount of Croatia-based stories on B92 and the response they get from Serb or Serb-sympathetic commentators (like yourself), its clear whose lives revolve around who.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 8 godina

It's a bit difficult to take seriously the frustrated paranoia of lijepa njihova regarding Seselj when even the ICTY isn't demanding Seselj be present at the reading of the verdict - a sign that he's either going to be acquitted or whatever sentence he'll get is commuted to "time served". If the antimurale christianitatis is so concerned with justice being trampled on, perhaps they should focus their concerns on the ICTY's lax approach in seeking to reclaim someone they clearly don't want, than whatever the barbarians to the East think, say, or do.

sj

pre 8 godina

(observerb, 21 March 2016 11:41)

So you think that each member state makes that decision, do you? You poor deluded Croat.
On the surface the EU looks like a democracy, but behind the scenes it does not even come close to it. Germany is king s*** and they tell everyone else what to do. Do you recall last year when, as a result of the migrant issue, the great Croat decision to stop all cars with Serbian registration from entering Croatia? Serbia in response closed its border with Croatia. Brussels then told Zagreb to shut up and allow access, which they did just that. So much for Croatia’s independence LOL.
My favourite part was when Oraskovic came back from that EU summit on refugees and assistance to Turkey and he used the word “we”…. We decided to approve the assistance…… The funny thing was it was already decided before the meeting and it did not involve Croatia since Croatia is broke. Oraskovic did that for domestic consumption LOL.
After Oraskovic screws Croatia over and takes his cut, you will be the beggars of Europe LOL and that is exactly why he is there to sell off all government assets. Next on the agenda are pension and salary cuts, and this is only stage one.

observerb

pre 8 godina

Brussels' reaction to Zagreb's claim that it could stop the EU process for Serbia was interesting. Brussels stated that only it decides who comes into the EU and not Croatia.
SJ ...earlier today

you have been going on for a long time with your redicules and wrong assessments of the world situation, and made a fool of yourself most times.

Once more today, with your dumb statement. Not Brussels decides on membership issues, but each member state has a vote in that process, and I can guarantee you that an overwhelming majority will vote against Serbia's membership if Serbia doesn't change drastically. I see no sign of that happening, quite contrary, it's getting worse. Go on dreaming sj, go on with your redicules claims that you are so great and wonderful. You are nothing but a mirror of the serb society. Hallucinations, a wrong sense of reality, and lost in a past which never existed like you think it did. Pipe dreams .....

Jeff

pre 8 godina

These pathetic Croats. Their lives revolve around Serbia. a bit like the Albanians in that regard. Nothing to do, no interests, just bile.

observer

pre 8 godina

I have got news for you Mr. Dacic. You live in a dreamworld if you think Europe will let you get away with this. No EU country will take your position, and you just made a fool not just of yourself once more, but of Serbia in its entirety. Just more prove that your country is lightyears away from EU membership. Serbia still has no idea what european values are, and goes further down its old f... up road with denials of its bloodthirty Milosevic past. Serbia should just forget its EU dreams. It will never be a member of the free Europe with behavior like that. Nobody in Europs wants a country like yours to be an EU member state.

Lenard

pre 8 godina

Just the usual Serbia the bombastic digging it self deeper bigger hole as if it isn't deep enough crazy Serbia got its self in to. Keep up the good work https://www.total-croatia-news.com/politics/2974-croatia-blocking-serbia-s-eu-accession-negotiations 1 step forward 3 back.

sj

pre 8 godina

No one cares what Croatia wants. Last year when Croatia was offended by Seselj's actions i.e. burning of Croat flag etc it was then rumored that Croatia paid Brummitz to have Seselj returned to the Hague, but as we see the Hague's reputation has become such a laughing stock of the international judicial processes and its ignored LOL.
Brussels' reaction to Zagreb's claim that it could stop the EU process for Serbia was interesting. Brussels stated that only it decides who comes into the EU and not Croatia.
Poor Croats, like The Hague, they are only now learning they don't matter nor does anyone pay attention to them.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"To be honest, there are many more Seseljs in Croatia walking freely, shouting 'For home ready' in stadiums, and holding concerts with Pavelic's pictures," he said, in reference to the WW2-era Nazi-allied entity Independent State of Croatia (NDH).

And to be honest, Mr Dacic, nobody talked about the 1000s of 'Seseljs' in Serbia(if you mean his supporters and fans of his fascist ideology who chant and burn flags), not to mention your own hooligan extremist friends, Mr Dacic.

Croatia only wanted that Serbia to send back the war criminal Seselj to The Hague to hear his verdict and serve his sentence. This man who was oh-so ill and thus has been granted temporary release, but seems to have gained back a lot of energy in when it comes to burn flags and hold rallies full of hate speech.

Jeff

pre 8 godina

These pathetic Croats. Their lives revolve around Serbia. a bit like the Albanians in that regard. Nothing to do, no interests, just bile.

Lenard

pre 8 godina

Just the usual Serbia the bombastic digging it self deeper bigger hole as if it isn't deep enough crazy Serbia got its self in to. Keep up the good work https://www.total-croatia-news.com/politics/2974-croatia-blocking-serbia-s-eu-accession-negotiations 1 step forward 3 back.

sj

pre 8 godina

No one cares what Croatia wants. Last year when Croatia was offended by Seselj's actions i.e. burning of Croat flag etc it was then rumored that Croatia paid Brummitz to have Seselj returned to the Hague, but as we see the Hague's reputation has become such a laughing stock of the international judicial processes and its ignored LOL.
Brussels' reaction to Zagreb's claim that it could stop the EU process for Serbia was interesting. Brussels stated that only it decides who comes into the EU and not Croatia.
Poor Croats, like The Hague, they are only now learning they don't matter nor does anyone pay attention to them.

observer

pre 8 godina

I have got news for you Mr. Dacic. You live in a dreamworld if you think Europe will let you get away with this. No EU country will take your position, and you just made a fool not just of yourself once more, but of Serbia in its entirety. Just more prove that your country is lightyears away from EU membership. Serbia still has no idea what european values are, and goes further down its old f... up road with denials of its bloodthirty Milosevic past. Serbia should just forget its EU dreams. It will never be a member of the free Europe with behavior like that. Nobody in Europs wants a country like yours to be an EU member state.

observerb

pre 8 godina

Brussels' reaction to Zagreb's claim that it could stop the EU process for Serbia was interesting. Brussels stated that only it decides who comes into the EU and not Croatia.
SJ ...earlier today

you have been going on for a long time with your redicules and wrong assessments of the world situation, and made a fool of yourself most times.

Once more today, with your dumb statement. Not Brussels decides on membership issues, but each member state has a vote in that process, and I can guarantee you that an overwhelming majority will vote against Serbia's membership if Serbia doesn't change drastically. I see no sign of that happening, quite contrary, it's getting worse. Go on dreaming sj, go on with your redicules claims that you are so great and wonderful. You are nothing but a mirror of the serb society. Hallucinations, a wrong sense of reality, and lost in a past which never existed like you think it did. Pipe dreams .....

aaa

pre 8 godina

These pathetic Croats. Their lives revolve around Serbia. a bit like the Albanians in that regard. Nothing to do, no interests, just bile.
(Jeff, 21 March 2016 11:51)

The Serbs are in no position to point the finger regarding comments - their own politicans are quite eager to comment everytime someone so much as farts in a neighbouring country.

Given the amount of Croatia-based stories on B92 and the response they get from Serb or Serb-sympathetic commentators (like yourself), its clear whose lives revolve around who.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"To be honest, there are many more Seseljs in Croatia walking freely, shouting 'For home ready' in stadiums, and holding concerts with Pavelic's pictures," he said, in reference to the WW2-era Nazi-allied entity Independent State of Croatia (NDH).

And to be honest, Mr Dacic, nobody talked about the 1000s of 'Seseljs' in Serbia(if you mean his supporters and fans of his fascist ideology who chant and burn flags), not to mention your own hooligan extremist friends, Mr Dacic.

Croatia only wanted that Serbia to send back the war criminal Seselj to The Hague to hear his verdict and serve his sentence. This man who was oh-so ill and thus has been granted temporary release, but seems to have gained back a lot of energy in when it comes to burn flags and hold rallies full of hate speech.

sj

pre 8 godina

(observerb, 21 March 2016 11:41)

So you think that each member state makes that decision, do you? You poor deluded Croat.
On the surface the EU looks like a democracy, but behind the scenes it does not even come close to it. Germany is king s*** and they tell everyone else what to do. Do you recall last year when, as a result of the migrant issue, the great Croat decision to stop all cars with Serbian registration from entering Croatia? Serbia in response closed its border with Croatia. Brussels then told Zagreb to shut up and allow access, which they did just that. So much for Croatia’s independence LOL.
My favourite part was when Oraskovic came back from that EU summit on refugees and assistance to Turkey and he used the word “we”…. We decided to approve the assistance…… The funny thing was it was already decided before the meeting and it did not involve Croatia since Croatia is broke. Oraskovic did that for domestic consumption LOL.
After Oraskovic screws Croatia over and takes his cut, you will be the beggars of Europe LOL and that is exactly why he is there to sell off all government assets. Next on the agenda are pension and salary cuts, and this is only stage one.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

It's a bit difficult to take seriously the frustrated paranoia of lijepa njihova regarding Seselj when even the ICTY isn't demanding Seselj be present at the reading of the verdict
(Balkan Anthropologist, 21 March 2016 14:30)

They are demanding his presence but they are not waiting for his presence. Big difference.

Unlike other EU countries, Croatia cant be fooled by serbia. No matter how much they speak of neutrality and politics of peace. Croatia and all other neighbors knows that serbia is still lightyears away from being a democratic country. Keep that sh*** up croatia! United we stand.

From Kosova with love.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Former Croatian President Ivo Josipovic has got it right so far;

``Former Croatian president Ivo Josipović said today that Croatia was regressing in a political and social sense. One of the proofs is the proposed budget for this year which does not bring any reforms or indications that Croatia could move forward. "In society, there is a strengthening of political and ethnic intolerance, of encouraging and glorifying of fascism, which is not appropriate for the 21st century. And, therefore, it seems that Croatia is in a state of political and social regression which is dangerous for the democratic and economic development of the country", said Josipović at a press conference, reports Večernji List on March 17, 2016.``https://www.total-croatia-news.com/politics/2956-former-president-ivo-josipovic-comments-on-latest-events

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

Even after the 'success' of Jasenovac and Oluja in completely eradicating the Serbian population there still exists a high degree of obsession and paranoia in Croatian society that they will probably never get over. This is indicative when you look at the recent election of the neo-fascist HDZ party. I know that if there is an EU for Serbia to join in 2020, it wont bring a lot of benefit to the people just as it didn't in Croatia.

But if you continue with this policy it will force Serbia to rethink placing Croatia under sanctions. There are so many reasons why Croatia deserves it, but economically the damage will only go one way. Croatia's largest export market is Serbia, many Croats purchase Serbian companies.

The damage Serbia can do to Croatia economically is as plain as day. This was the case just last August when the previous government in Zagreb closed borders with Serbia over migrants. Serbia announced economic sanctions and Croatia stood down within 48 hours, to my disappointment.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 8 godina

They are demanding his presence but they are not waiting for his presence. Big difference.
(Gjon Marku, 21 March 2016 14:53)

A bit difficult to take seriously wouldn't you say? What are they going to do? Send in a squad to capture him? Expect him to get on a plane for his jailtime? The most they can do is put pressure on Serbia to hand him over if there's a sentence, but they're pretty happy to see him go.

Unlike other EU countries, Croatia cant be fooled by serbia. No matter how much they speak of neutrality and politics of peace. Croatia and all other neighbors knows that serbia is still lightyears away from being a democratic country.
(Gjon Marku, 21 March 2016 14:53)

Albanians are usually the only people in the region who believe that claptrap coming from Zagreb. Croatia's leaders right now are a gaggle of kleptocratic nationalists who would name every airport, hotel, and WC after Tudjman. Croatia was sorely "fooled" a few months ago when it decided to play border patrol and irked Belgrade, Budapest, and Brussels. As much as you may like to think local Balkan leaders know something the rest of Europe doesn't, nobody outside the region cares. And don't flatter yourself thinking one country is democratically lightyears ahead of the other. All are pathetic, broke, poor, squabbling, little scraps of states with crumbling infrastructures, dysfunctional leadership, and economies perpetually one month away from systemic bankruptcy.

observerb

pre 8 godina

So you think that each member state makes that decision, do you? You poor deluded Croat.
On the surface the EU looks like a democracy, but behind the scenes it does not even come close to it. Germany is king s*** and they tell everyone else what to do.
(sj, 21 March 2016 13:43)

wrong again as usual. First of all, I am not Croatian, and do not live in the Balkans.

Second, you forget that each EU member parliment has to vote on any new country allowed to become a member. Each and every parliment in any EU country has to agree to it, if one doesn't that country can't join. So you think Mrs. Merkel can influence and decide how all these MOP's vote. You are very wrong about that, and I can guarentee you that Serbia in its present state would not be accepted. There is no way Serbia will get away with his Sesyil tricks, and threatening its neighbors. We don't need, we do not want countries like that, no matter what you i...., sj think or say. just forget it.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 8 godina

You are totally wrong in all regards,
Croatia will soon come for Bosnia i Herzegovina and Serbia will never Join The EU.
And by the Way,
there is nothing wrong with Seselj,
He and His assossiates will soon be needed and save Serbia from political Evil,

Arn.Sweden.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 8 godina

It's a bit difficult to take seriously the frustrated paranoia of lijepa njihova regarding Seselj when even the ICTY isn't demanding Seselj be present at the reading of the verdict - a sign that he's either going to be acquitted or whatever sentence he'll get is commuted to "time served". If the antimurale christianitatis is so concerned with justice being trampled on, perhaps they should focus their concerns on the ICTY's lax approach in seeking to reclaim someone they clearly don't want, than whatever the barbarians to the East think, say, or do.

aaa

pre 8 godina

(Ari Gold, 21 March 2016 18:37)

'there still exists a high degree of obsession and paranoia in Croatian society that they will probably never get over. This is indicative when you look at the recent election of the neo-fascist HDZ party.'

Then one can only wonder what it says about Serbia if Milosevic's old partners-in-crime are in currently in power.

'There are so many reasons why Croatia deserves it, but economically the damage will only go one way. Croatia's largest export market is Serbia, many Croats purchase Serbian companies'

Wishful thinking on your part. So the numerous Serbian employees working for Croatian-owned companies, and other Serbian companies depending on trade/business contracts wont be affected? But dont take my word for it, maybe you should ask Serb workers and see what they think:

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/drivers-pay-price-for-serbia-croatia-border-war-09-25-2015

And Serbia is only Croatia's sixth largest export market, double check your figures next time.

sasa.p from Jagodina, Serbia

pre 8 godina

wrong again as usual. First of all, I am not Croatian, and do not live in the Balkans.

Second, you forget that each EU member parliment has to vote on any new country allowed to become a member. Each and every parliment in any EU country has to agree to it, if one doesn't that country can't join. So you think Mrs. Merkel can influence and decide how all these MOP's vote. You are very wrong about that, and I can guarentee you that Serbia in its present state would not be accepted. There is no way Serbia will get away with his Sesyil tricks, and threatening its neighbors. We don't need, we do not want countries like that, no matter what you i...., sj think or say. just forget it.
(observerb, 21 March 2016 17:37)

No,you are a Shqipire (not Hrvat), and you comment on Balkans, living in a Western Country, on a comfortable seat behind a computer,and not living and dealing everyday live in the Balkans.
You as well,
You DON'T sit in meeting's in Brussels to Know what is going to be voted and who decided the EU votes!!!.
P's sit comfortably behind your computer and write non-sense,on the Balkans without living there.!.

shakinginmyboots

pre 8 godina

Same chetnik hubris every single day. Thank God this time you don't have a fully trained and armed military to attack civilians like 25 years ago. Castro moved on even if he does not recognize 'holy Kosovo', why is it so hard for this clown to admit that 1990s will never return. Trumps wife is from Slovenia, so don't count on the fact that he would be passive like HW Bush and James Baker were.

icj1

pre 8 godina

The whole idea of dismembering Yugoslavia was to make them all weak and dependent on someone and easy to control.
(Peggy, 21 March 2016 23:21)

Well, it looks like Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Slovenia preferred that vs being under Serbia's control.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Observer said:
"Second, you forget that each EU member parliment has to vote on any new country allowed to become a member. Each and every parliment in any EU country has to agree to it, if one doesn't that country can't join".
================
True, but why are you so sure that they are not told what to think and what to decide by Germany? Croatia, especially wouldn't be independent right now if it wans't for Germany backing it. Germany has always been in control of Croatia and Croatians are more than willing to do whatever they are told by Merkel.
Oh, they try at times to look tought and independent but how many times have they had to eat humble pie? Why is that.
The whole idea of dismembering Yugoslavia was to make them all weak and dependent on someone and easy to control.

Tom

pre 8 godina

Serbia is burrying its head in the sand. Instead on working to remove Zagrebs concerns about cooperation with the Hague and the issue of universal jurisdiction, it has decided to do nothing. Whats worse is that Serbia is revolting against a full fledged member state, which has the power to delay negotiations. This cant be good for Serbia.

icj1

pre 8 godina

I hope and pray that Serbia never joins the EU.
(sj, 22 March 2016 08:58)

It's so exciting that the wishes of the CE of B92 forums sj align so well with Kosovo's wishes.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

sj

pre 8 godina

(observerb, 21 March 2016 17:37)

I don’t live in the Balkans either. Let me add at the onset that I hope and pray that Serbia never joins the EU.
I know how in theory the system should work, but in reality it does not follow the process you have outlined. I am talking about when the news cameras are switched off and what happens behind closed doors. That is when the real decisions are made not when voting in parliaments; the parliament part is all for show when they want to rubber stamp it – sad but true.
Remember this, there is only one golden rule in life and that is he who has the gold makes the rules –Germany for now has the gold; and yes Merkel can guarantee entry into the EU. It did just that where Croatia was involved and that country was not even close for entry. If it makes you feel nice and warm inside to think there is a democratic process in all of this please feel free to think that.
Sadly, Serbia is too important for the EU to not allow it to join. It’s a fact and you can give all the guarantees that you like but it will happen and Seselj will continue to behave as he does now.

aaa

pre 8 godina

(Ari Gold, 22 March 2016 15:32)

Where are you wrong? Hmmm where to begin?

Please provide a source listing Serbia as Croatia's top export destination. They may well be one of the bigger trading partners, but no where near important as you make them out to be.

Of course Serbian businesses dont depend solely on Croatia, and the trade may very well be in Croatia's favour. But if these businesses (in Serbia) which are Croatian owned are hit by sanctions, what would happen when:
- they are unable to pay their Serbian workers
- they fire them
- other Serbian businesses which have contracts with these companies (like those truck drivers) need to look elsewhere

Unless of course these workers/other businesses are offering their services for free.

Croatia may very well feel the brunt of sanctions more than Serbia, but if you think Serbian business wouldnt suffer then you are wrong.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Well, it looks like Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Slovenia preferred that vs being under Serbia's control.
(icj1, 22 March 2016 13:42)

I didn't know Tito, Mesic, Markovic etc were Serbian!

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

(aaa, 22 March 2016 09:48)

Nope, it is you who needs to check the figures for yourself. And then ask yourself why did Croatia stand down after closing borders with Serbia? They will tell you the EU made them, but after Serbia put Croatia under sanctions, they made the biggest u-turn ever.

Serb workers do not 'depend' on Croatian businesses, in the slightest. Croatian businesses depend on working in Serbia, especially if they are food processors. Fact is, trade only goes one way and that is in Croatia's favor. Blocking access to the EU will not hurt Serbia at all, but sanctions would cripple Croatia's economy. Where am I wrong?

truthiness

pre 8 godina

...All are pathetic, broke, poor, squabbling, little scraps of states with crumbling infrastructures, dysfunctional leadership, and economies perpetually one month away from systemic bankruptcy.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 21 March 2016 20:01)

Pretty much sums it up. Regardless of what your background is, you can't deny the truth.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

But dont take my word for it, maybe you should ask Serb workers and see what they think:
(aaa, 22 March 2016 09:48)

Good article actually especially comments made by a truck driver from FYROM;

"Vanco Gogov, aged 54, from Macedonia, who has been trapped on the border since Monday, recalled that the Batrovci crossing used to work smoothly on both sides.There were no problems with customs or with police, even in the days when Slobodan Milosevic was in power in Serbia, he said. “The problem has to be solved by the EU because the EU is responsible for this crisis, but I do not have any faith that they will succeed,” he added.“The Balkans needs to unite, as it was united before the [former Yugoslav] wars,” he continued. Vanco, aged 54, drives a chemical substance called Feldspat, which is a key ingredient in glass production. The raw material is produced in his native Macedonia. He takes it first to Paracin, in Serbia, where a well-known glass factory uses it for production, and then to Novo Mesto in Slovenia. He worries that the humidity will damage his lorry if he is stuck for much longer in Batrovci. He was not prepared to travel for more than four days and cannot understand why the Croats are treating ordinary people like this.

icj1

pre 8 godina

Well, it looks like Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Slovenia preferred that vs being under Serbia's control.
(icj1, 22 March 2016 13:42)

I didn't know Tito, Mesic, Markovic etc were Serbian!
(Jugoslavija, 22 March 2016 19:24)

Ok, good for you, but not sure why I should care about what you know or don't know :)

sj

pre 8 godina

Ok, good for you, but not sure why I should care about what you know or don't know :)
(icj1, 22 March 2016 20:49)

Our resident artificial intelligence’s attempt at wit. I recall one comment saying that it’s impossible to debate anything with a fool LOL.

icj1

pre 8 godina

Well, it looks like Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Slovenia preferred that vs being under Serbia's control.
(icj1, 22 March 2016 13:42)

I didn't know Tito, Mesic, Markovic etc were Serbian!
(Jugoslavija, 22 March 2016 19:24)

Ok, good for you, but not sure why I should care about what you know or don't know :)
(icj1, 22 March 2016 20:49)

Our resident artificial intelligence’s attempt at wit. I recall one comment saying that it’s impossible to debate anything with a fool LOL.
(sj, 23 March 2016 07:45)

Yup, I totally agree with the CE of B92 forums sj, as always, that as I wrote I could not care less about what our dear friend Jugoslavija knows or does not know and that's impossible to debate anything with a fool like him/her :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Our resident artificial intelligence’s attempt at wit. I recall one comment saying that it’s impossible to debate anything with a fool LOL.
(sj, 23 March 2016 07:45)


Its only Albanian Idiots fool's overture. Let's see if the moron can actually decipher the words of the British leader. Care to place a wager?

Fool's Overture - Roger Hodgson (writer and composer) with Orchestra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBefDWSMNaQ

Jeff

pre 8 godina

These pathetic Croats. Their lives revolve around Serbia. a bit like the Albanians in that regard. Nothing to do, no interests, just bile.

sj

pre 8 godina

No one cares what Croatia wants. Last year when Croatia was offended by Seselj's actions i.e. burning of Croat flag etc it was then rumored that Croatia paid Brummitz to have Seselj returned to the Hague, but as we see the Hague's reputation has become such a laughing stock of the international judicial processes and its ignored LOL.
Brussels' reaction to Zagreb's claim that it could stop the EU process for Serbia was interesting. Brussels stated that only it decides who comes into the EU and not Croatia.
Poor Croats, like The Hague, they are only now learning they don't matter nor does anyone pay attention to them.

Lenard

pre 8 godina

Just the usual Serbia the bombastic digging it self deeper bigger hole as if it isn't deep enough crazy Serbia got its self in to. Keep up the good work https://www.total-croatia-news.com/politics/2974-croatia-blocking-serbia-s-eu-accession-negotiations 1 step forward 3 back.

observer

pre 8 godina

I have got news for you Mr. Dacic. You live in a dreamworld if you think Europe will let you get away with this. No EU country will take your position, and you just made a fool not just of yourself once more, but of Serbia in its entirety. Just more prove that your country is lightyears away from EU membership. Serbia still has no idea what european values are, and goes further down its old f... up road with denials of its bloodthirty Milosevic past. Serbia should just forget its EU dreams. It will never be a member of the free Europe with behavior like that. Nobody in Europs wants a country like yours to be an EU member state.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"To be honest, there are many more Seseljs in Croatia walking freely, shouting 'For home ready' in stadiums, and holding concerts with Pavelic's pictures," he said, in reference to the WW2-era Nazi-allied entity Independent State of Croatia (NDH).

And to be honest, Mr Dacic, nobody talked about the 1000s of 'Seseljs' in Serbia(if you mean his supporters and fans of his fascist ideology who chant and burn flags), not to mention your own hooligan extremist friends, Mr Dacic.

Croatia only wanted that Serbia to send back the war criminal Seselj to The Hague to hear his verdict and serve his sentence. This man who was oh-so ill and thus has been granted temporary release, but seems to have gained back a lot of energy in when it comes to burn flags and hold rallies full of hate speech.

sj

pre 8 godina

(observerb, 21 March 2016 11:41)

So you think that each member state makes that decision, do you? You poor deluded Croat.
On the surface the EU looks like a democracy, but behind the scenes it does not even come close to it. Germany is king s*** and they tell everyone else what to do. Do you recall last year when, as a result of the migrant issue, the great Croat decision to stop all cars with Serbian registration from entering Croatia? Serbia in response closed its border with Croatia. Brussels then told Zagreb to shut up and allow access, which they did just that. So much for Croatia’s independence LOL.
My favourite part was when Oraskovic came back from that EU summit on refugees and assistance to Turkey and he used the word “we”…. We decided to approve the assistance…… The funny thing was it was already decided before the meeting and it did not involve Croatia since Croatia is broke. Oraskovic did that for domestic consumption LOL.
After Oraskovic screws Croatia over and takes his cut, you will be the beggars of Europe LOL and that is exactly why he is there to sell off all government assets. Next on the agenda are pension and salary cuts, and this is only stage one.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 8 godina

You are totally wrong in all regards,
Croatia will soon come for Bosnia i Herzegovina and Serbia will never Join The EU.
And by the Way,
there is nothing wrong with Seselj,
He and His assossiates will soon be needed and save Serbia from political Evil,

Arn.Sweden.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

It's a bit difficult to take seriously the frustrated paranoia of lijepa njihova regarding Seselj when even the ICTY isn't demanding Seselj be present at the reading of the verdict
(Balkan Anthropologist, 21 March 2016 14:30)

They are demanding his presence but they are not waiting for his presence. Big difference.

Unlike other EU countries, Croatia cant be fooled by serbia. No matter how much they speak of neutrality and politics of peace. Croatia and all other neighbors knows that serbia is still lightyears away from being a democratic country. Keep that sh*** up croatia! United we stand.

From Kosova with love.

observerb

pre 8 godina

Brussels' reaction to Zagreb's claim that it could stop the EU process for Serbia was interesting. Brussels stated that only it decides who comes into the EU and not Croatia.
SJ ...earlier today

you have been going on for a long time with your redicules and wrong assessments of the world situation, and made a fool of yourself most times.

Once more today, with your dumb statement. Not Brussels decides on membership issues, but each member state has a vote in that process, and I can guarantee you that an overwhelming majority will vote against Serbia's membership if Serbia doesn't change drastically. I see no sign of that happening, quite contrary, it's getting worse. Go on dreaming sj, go on with your redicules claims that you are so great and wonderful. You are nothing but a mirror of the serb society. Hallucinations, a wrong sense of reality, and lost in a past which never existed like you think it did. Pipe dreams .....

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

Even after the 'success' of Jasenovac and Oluja in completely eradicating the Serbian population there still exists a high degree of obsession and paranoia in Croatian society that they will probably never get over. This is indicative when you look at the recent election of the neo-fascist HDZ party. I know that if there is an EU for Serbia to join in 2020, it wont bring a lot of benefit to the people just as it didn't in Croatia.

But if you continue with this policy it will force Serbia to rethink placing Croatia under sanctions. There are so many reasons why Croatia deserves it, but economically the damage will only go one way. Croatia's largest export market is Serbia, many Croats purchase Serbian companies.

The damage Serbia can do to Croatia economically is as plain as day. This was the case just last August when the previous government in Zagreb closed borders with Serbia over migrants. Serbia announced economic sanctions and Croatia stood down within 48 hours, to my disappointment.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 8 godina

It's a bit difficult to take seriously the frustrated paranoia of lijepa njihova regarding Seselj when even the ICTY isn't demanding Seselj be present at the reading of the verdict - a sign that he's either going to be acquitted or whatever sentence he'll get is commuted to "time served". If the antimurale christianitatis is so concerned with justice being trampled on, perhaps they should focus their concerns on the ICTY's lax approach in seeking to reclaim someone they clearly don't want, than whatever the barbarians to the East think, say, or do.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Former Croatian President Ivo Josipovic has got it right so far;

``Former Croatian president Ivo Josipović said today that Croatia was regressing in a political and social sense. One of the proofs is the proposed budget for this year which does not bring any reforms or indications that Croatia could move forward. "In society, there is a strengthening of political and ethnic intolerance, of encouraging and glorifying of fascism, which is not appropriate for the 21st century. And, therefore, it seems that Croatia is in a state of political and social regression which is dangerous for the democratic and economic development of the country", said Josipović at a press conference, reports Večernji List on March 17, 2016.``https://www.total-croatia-news.com/politics/2956-former-president-ivo-josipovic-comments-on-latest-events

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 8 godina

They are demanding his presence but they are not waiting for his presence. Big difference.
(Gjon Marku, 21 March 2016 14:53)

A bit difficult to take seriously wouldn't you say? What are they going to do? Send in a squad to capture him? Expect him to get on a plane for his jailtime? The most they can do is put pressure on Serbia to hand him over if there's a sentence, but they're pretty happy to see him go.

Unlike other EU countries, Croatia cant be fooled by serbia. No matter how much they speak of neutrality and politics of peace. Croatia and all other neighbors knows that serbia is still lightyears away from being a democratic country.
(Gjon Marku, 21 March 2016 14:53)

Albanians are usually the only people in the region who believe that claptrap coming from Zagreb. Croatia's leaders right now are a gaggle of kleptocratic nationalists who would name every airport, hotel, and WC after Tudjman. Croatia was sorely "fooled" a few months ago when it decided to play border patrol and irked Belgrade, Budapest, and Brussels. As much as you may like to think local Balkan leaders know something the rest of Europe doesn't, nobody outside the region cares. And don't flatter yourself thinking one country is democratically lightyears ahead of the other. All are pathetic, broke, poor, squabbling, little scraps of states with crumbling infrastructures, dysfunctional leadership, and economies perpetually one month away from systemic bankruptcy.

aaa

pre 8 godina

These pathetic Croats. Their lives revolve around Serbia. a bit like the Albanians in that regard. Nothing to do, no interests, just bile.
(Jeff, 21 March 2016 11:51)

The Serbs are in no position to point the finger regarding comments - their own politicans are quite eager to comment everytime someone so much as farts in a neighbouring country.

Given the amount of Croatia-based stories on B92 and the response they get from Serb or Serb-sympathetic commentators (like yourself), its clear whose lives revolve around who.

observerb

pre 8 godina

So you think that each member state makes that decision, do you? You poor deluded Croat.
On the surface the EU looks like a democracy, but behind the scenes it does not even come close to it. Germany is king s*** and they tell everyone else what to do.
(sj, 21 March 2016 13:43)

wrong again as usual. First of all, I am not Croatian, and do not live in the Balkans.

Second, you forget that each EU member parliment has to vote on any new country allowed to become a member. Each and every parliment in any EU country has to agree to it, if one doesn't that country can't join. So you think Mrs. Merkel can influence and decide how all these MOP's vote. You are very wrong about that, and I can guarentee you that Serbia in its present state would not be accepted. There is no way Serbia will get away with his Sesyil tricks, and threatening its neighbors. We don't need, we do not want countries like that, no matter what you i...., sj think or say. just forget it.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Observer said:
"Second, you forget that each EU member parliment has to vote on any new country allowed to become a member. Each and every parliment in any EU country has to agree to it, if one doesn't that country can't join".
================
True, but why are you so sure that they are not told what to think and what to decide by Germany? Croatia, especially wouldn't be independent right now if it wans't for Germany backing it. Germany has always been in control of Croatia and Croatians are more than willing to do whatever they are told by Merkel.
Oh, they try at times to look tought and independent but how many times have they had to eat humble pie? Why is that.
The whole idea of dismembering Yugoslavia was to make them all weak and dependent on someone and easy to control.

sj

pre 8 godina

(observerb, 21 March 2016 17:37)

I don’t live in the Balkans either. Let me add at the onset that I hope and pray that Serbia never joins the EU.
I know how in theory the system should work, but in reality it does not follow the process you have outlined. I am talking about when the news cameras are switched off and what happens behind closed doors. That is when the real decisions are made not when voting in parliaments; the parliament part is all for show when they want to rubber stamp it – sad but true.
Remember this, there is only one golden rule in life and that is he who has the gold makes the rules –Germany for now has the gold; and yes Merkel can guarantee entry into the EU. It did just that where Croatia was involved and that country was not even close for entry. If it makes you feel nice and warm inside to think there is a democratic process in all of this please feel free to think that.
Sadly, Serbia is too important for the EU to not allow it to join. It’s a fact and you can give all the guarantees that you like but it will happen and Seselj will continue to behave as he does now.

shakinginmyboots

pre 8 godina

Same chetnik hubris every single day. Thank God this time you don't have a fully trained and armed military to attack civilians like 25 years ago. Castro moved on even if he does not recognize 'holy Kosovo', why is it so hard for this clown to admit that 1990s will never return. Trumps wife is from Slovenia, so don't count on the fact that he would be passive like HW Bush and James Baker were.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

(aaa, 22 March 2016 09:48)

Nope, it is you who needs to check the figures for yourself. And then ask yourself why did Croatia stand down after closing borders with Serbia? They will tell you the EU made them, but after Serbia put Croatia under sanctions, they made the biggest u-turn ever.

Serb workers do not 'depend' on Croatian businesses, in the slightest. Croatian businesses depend on working in Serbia, especially if they are food processors. Fact is, trade only goes one way and that is in Croatia's favor. Blocking access to the EU will not hurt Serbia at all, but sanctions would cripple Croatia's economy. Where am I wrong?

Tom

pre 8 godina

Serbia is burrying its head in the sand. Instead on working to remove Zagrebs concerns about cooperation with the Hague and the issue of universal jurisdiction, it has decided to do nothing. Whats worse is that Serbia is revolting against a full fledged member state, which has the power to delay negotiations. This cant be good for Serbia.

sasa.p from Jagodina, Serbia

pre 8 godina

wrong again as usual. First of all, I am not Croatian, and do not live in the Balkans.

Second, you forget that each EU member parliment has to vote on any new country allowed to become a member. Each and every parliment in any EU country has to agree to it, if one doesn't that country can't join. So you think Mrs. Merkel can influence and decide how all these MOP's vote. You are very wrong about that, and I can guarentee you that Serbia in its present state would not be accepted. There is no way Serbia will get away with his Sesyil tricks, and threatening its neighbors. We don't need, we do not want countries like that, no matter what you i...., sj think or say. just forget it.
(observerb, 21 March 2016 17:37)

No,you are a Shqipire (not Hrvat), and you comment on Balkans, living in a Western Country, on a comfortable seat behind a computer,and not living and dealing everyday live in the Balkans.
You as well,
You DON'T sit in meeting's in Brussels to Know what is going to be voted and who decided the EU votes!!!.
P's sit comfortably behind your computer and write non-sense,on the Balkans without living there.!.

aaa

pre 8 godina

(Ari Gold, 21 March 2016 18:37)

'there still exists a high degree of obsession and paranoia in Croatian society that they will probably never get over. This is indicative when you look at the recent election of the neo-fascist HDZ party.'

Then one can only wonder what it says about Serbia if Milosevic's old partners-in-crime are in currently in power.

'There are so many reasons why Croatia deserves it, but economically the damage will only go one way. Croatia's largest export market is Serbia, many Croats purchase Serbian companies'

Wishful thinking on your part. So the numerous Serbian employees working for Croatian-owned companies, and other Serbian companies depending on trade/business contracts wont be affected? But dont take my word for it, maybe you should ask Serb workers and see what they think:

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/drivers-pay-price-for-serbia-croatia-border-war-09-25-2015

And Serbia is only Croatia's sixth largest export market, double check your figures next time.

icj1

pre 8 godina

The whole idea of dismembering Yugoslavia was to make them all weak and dependent on someone and easy to control.
(Peggy, 21 March 2016 23:21)

Well, it looks like Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Slovenia preferred that vs being under Serbia's control.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

But dont take my word for it, maybe you should ask Serb workers and see what they think:
(aaa, 22 March 2016 09:48)

Good article actually especially comments made by a truck driver from FYROM;

"Vanco Gogov, aged 54, from Macedonia, who has been trapped on the border since Monday, recalled that the Batrovci crossing used to work smoothly on both sides.There were no problems with customs or with police, even in the days when Slobodan Milosevic was in power in Serbia, he said. “The problem has to be solved by the EU because the EU is responsible for this crisis, but I do not have any faith that they will succeed,” he added.“The Balkans needs to unite, as it was united before the [former Yugoslav] wars,” he continued. Vanco, aged 54, drives a chemical substance called Feldspat, which is a key ingredient in glass production. The raw material is produced in his native Macedonia. He takes it first to Paracin, in Serbia, where a well-known glass factory uses it for production, and then to Novo Mesto in Slovenia. He worries that the humidity will damage his lorry if he is stuck for much longer in Batrovci. He was not prepared to travel for more than four days and cannot understand why the Croats are treating ordinary people like this.

truthiness

pre 8 godina

...All are pathetic, broke, poor, squabbling, little scraps of states with crumbling infrastructures, dysfunctional leadership, and economies perpetually one month away from systemic bankruptcy.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 21 March 2016 20:01)

Pretty much sums it up. Regardless of what your background is, you can't deny the truth.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Well, it looks like Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Slovenia preferred that vs being under Serbia's control.
(icj1, 22 March 2016 13:42)

I didn't know Tito, Mesic, Markovic etc were Serbian!

sj

pre 8 godina

Ok, good for you, but not sure why I should care about what you know or don't know :)
(icj1, 22 March 2016 20:49)

Our resident artificial intelligence’s attempt at wit. I recall one comment saying that it’s impossible to debate anything with a fool LOL.

icj1

pre 8 godina

I hope and pray that Serbia never joins the EU.
(sj, 22 March 2016 08:58)

It's so exciting that the wishes of the CE of B92 forums sj align so well with Kosovo's wishes.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

icj1

pre 8 godina

Well, it looks like Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Slovenia preferred that vs being under Serbia's control.
(icj1, 22 March 2016 13:42)

I didn't know Tito, Mesic, Markovic etc were Serbian!
(Jugoslavija, 22 March 2016 19:24)

Ok, good for you, but not sure why I should care about what you know or don't know :)

icj1

pre 8 godina

Well, it looks like Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Slovenia preferred that vs being under Serbia's control.
(icj1, 22 March 2016 13:42)

I didn't know Tito, Mesic, Markovic etc were Serbian!
(Jugoslavija, 22 March 2016 19:24)

Ok, good for you, but not sure why I should care about what you know or don't know :)
(icj1, 22 March 2016 20:49)

Our resident artificial intelligence’s attempt at wit. I recall one comment saying that it’s impossible to debate anything with a fool LOL.
(sj, 23 March 2016 07:45)

Yup, I totally agree with the CE of B92 forums sj, as always, that as I wrote I could not care less about what our dear friend Jugoslavija knows or does not know and that's impossible to debate anything with a fool like him/her :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

aaa

pre 8 godina

(Ari Gold, 22 March 2016 15:32)

Where are you wrong? Hmmm where to begin?

Please provide a source listing Serbia as Croatia's top export destination. They may well be one of the bigger trading partners, but no where near important as you make them out to be.

Of course Serbian businesses dont depend solely on Croatia, and the trade may very well be in Croatia's favour. But if these businesses (in Serbia) which are Croatian owned are hit by sanctions, what would happen when:
- they are unable to pay their Serbian workers
- they fire them
- other Serbian businesses which have contracts with these companies (like those truck drivers) need to look elsewhere

Unless of course these workers/other businesses are offering their services for free.

Croatia may very well feel the brunt of sanctions more than Serbia, but if you think Serbian business wouldnt suffer then you are wrong.

Jugoslavija

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Our resident artificial intelligence’s attempt at wit. I recall one comment saying that it’s impossible to debate anything with a fool LOL.
(sj, 23 March 2016 07:45)


Its only Albanian Idiots fool's overture. Let's see if the moron can actually decipher the words of the British leader. Care to place a wager?

Fool's Overture - Roger Hodgson (writer and composer) with Orchestra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBefDWSMNaQ