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Wednesday, 16.03.2016.

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Thaci wants Serbia to "recognize Kosovo"

Hashim Thaci has said that Belgrade and Pristina "need a compromise that will allow a better future."

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icj1

pre 8 godina

Would he offer to return part of Kosovo's territory?
(Joe M, 19 March 2016 02:24)

I'm not aware of any part of Kosovo's territory that wants to be independent from Kosovo!
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Would he offer full dual citizenship to all Serbian citizens so all the displaced persons could return with full rights?
(Joe M, 19 March 2016 02:24)

Well, he can only offer Kosovo's citizenship. He can't offer any other citizenship because it's not under his control :)
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Would he offer control over some of the Serbian religious monuments in Kosovo?
(Joe M, 19 March 2016 02:24)

Offer control to whom? They are already controlled by whoever is the owner per cadastral records. Do you want him to take them away from their owners and give their control to somebody else?!
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Would he offer amnesty for all political offenses related to separatism/loyalism issues?
(Joe M, 19 March 2016 02:24)

I'm not aware of anybody convicted of the crime of lack of loyalism! That crime does not even exist. So, not sure whom that amnesty would be for!

Joe M

pre 8 godina

Where's the actual offer of compromise? What less than Kosovo's full demands would he accept? Would he offer to return part of Kosovo's territory? Would he offer full dual citizenship to all Serbian citizens so all the displaced persons could return with full rights? Would he offer control over some of the Serbian religious monuments in Kosovo? Would he offer amnesty for all political offenses related to separatism/loyalism issues? I see the word "compromise" without any supporting details.

icj1

pre 8 godina

How can this piece of garbage be a president of an illegal breakaway province from Serbia when he will be questioned by a war crime tribunal and possibly charged.
This is a joke.
(Smart Serb, 16 March 2016 20:58)

But, yet he can be the president regardless of what you or Serbia think about it. I'm not saying that is a good or a bad thing, but the point is that there is not much you or Serbia can do.... both your or Serbia's opinions on the matter are totally irrelevant.

rote

pre 8 godina

Gjon Marku : saying that Turks and Serbs are the exact same people and that basically Serbs are Turks.

I never said that Serbs are Turks because in the middle ages Turks did not exist as a nation but was formed between 1928 and 2016. In 1942 they forbade speaking other than newly invented Turkish language that was very different from the Osmani language. Also they changed for Turkish names of 100% of the citizens. Two Greeks or Kurds or Shqiptars or Amenians could not guess that in front of them was their compatriots. This is how this fascist nation was imposed.

But during the Slav rule of the empire (1453-1826) all nations and religious had same rights with little advantage for the Muslims. The only church that wasn’t turned into a mosque was the Aya Irini inside the Sultans’ (in fact Padishahs’) temple in Istanbul. Serbs were part of the elite of the Osmans (Simeons) while Balkans was the craddle Ottoman empire but not a colony. They conquered Natol (Anatol) in 1453 while Mehmet II with his sons and grandchildren were Slavs.

Last year an international group of scientists proved that the cradle of the main Russian happlogroups (R1a,I2,I1) was Kosovo while Serbs could come to the Balkans from the South Russia where same R1b/R1a happlogroup have the Terski Cossacks. Both R1a and R1b are Slavonic sister happlogroups. And so are the Brits, the French, Spaniards, Germans, Portuguese, Americans, Argentinians ect.

Behave and we can have a dialogue!

Donkey Hoxha

pre 8 godina

I`m a Kosovo Albanian commenting about a topic concerning Kosovo. I talk about real politics.
(Gjon Marku, 17 March 2016 13:27)

Says the guy who presents an unfulfilled wishlist:

2016
Association Agreement with EU - Symbolic gesture. You'll be like Turkey
Visa liberalization with EU - hasn't happened.
UEFA + FIFA Membership - informal membership
Unesco Membership - um, you DID read the news, right?
Demarcation of territory with Serbia - hasn't happened
Reparation for War - Yes. You owe Serbia a lot for the damage you caused.
Return of Pension Funds (over 1bn Euro) - Stop asking for handouts
Formation of ZSO - Anytime you want bud.

2017
Recognition from Vatican - Nope
Nato Membership - Nope
Vote over removal of Kosovo from Serb Constitution - Nope
Recognition of Kosovo from remaining EU countries - LOL

I`m not afraid of the future because there is no going back.
(Gjon Marku, 16 March 2016 23:52)

How can you be afraid of the future when you have no concept of the present or past? :)

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

What was your previous nickname as today you are the champ of the poorest comments here. I suspect you of being Rocky - same stupid statements.
(rote, 17 March 2016 12:08)

Rocky is croat I think. I`m from Gjakova Kosovo. I make the poorest comments? lets see. I`m a Kosovo Albanian commenting about a topic concerning Kosovo. I talk about real politics. Things that are already happening in Brussel talks ore domestic politics in both countries.

You are the guy from "russia" talking about russia miraculously returning to the Balkans even though Russia was naver more than a tourist on the adria coast saying that Turks and Serbs are the exact same people and that basically Serbs are Turks.

I leave the rest to the community.

rote

pre 8 godina

Gjon : I`m not afraid of the future because there is no going back. This stalemate will only harm Serb minority in Kosovo and Serbia EU membership attempt. Like Taiwan, Kosovo has already made the decision. Serbia lost the right for any claim …

What was your previous nickname as today you are the champ of the poorest comments here. I suspect you of being Rocky - same stupid statements. Now the difference between this runaway Serbian province and Taiwan is as big as the distance between Tatarstan and the Tatar Straits. First because the Go Ming Dan government of Chan Kai Shi was thee legal government of entire China while the Communists of Mao were the rebellions. Second because the USA has a long term interest to keep China in tense while KIM may quite become a part of a bargain between Russia and the Yankees. Times has changed and it is Kerry coming to Moscow now if only he is allowed. So some a Russian voice can wake you up with words МАДАМ, МЫ ВАШУ ПОПУ В КАРТЫ ПРОИГРАЛИ!

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Wind is indeed changing.

2016
Association Agreement with EU
Visa liberalization with EU
UEFA + FIFA Membership
Unesco Membership
Demarcation of territory with Serbia
Reparation for War
Return of Pension Funds (over 1bn Euro)
Formation of ZSO

2017
Recognition from Vatican
Nato Membership
Vote over removal of Kosovo from Serb Constitution
Recognition of Kosovo from remaining EU countries

I`m not afraid of the future because there is no going back. This stalemate will only harm Serb minority in Kosovo and Serbia EU membership attempt. Like Taiwan, Kosovo has already made the decision. Serbia lost the right for any claim when commited state organised massmurder of civilians. 90% majority is not going to forget that. Not today, not in the future.

Avni

pre 8 godina

Thaci should ask his friend Dacic to recognize Kosovo. Just like Thaci he wants to be president too. Two dangerous people as heads of states. What could go wrong?

Smart Serb

pre 8 godina

Thaci tells the world he wants to fight CRIME, TRAFFICKING and RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM.
The U.S and Europe have crowned him the king of these three things.
You have a green light KING!!!!!!
Scum bag piece of SH*T

Smart Serb

pre 8 godina

How can this piece of garbage be a president of an illegal breakaway province from Serbia when he will be questioned by a war crime tribunal and possibly charged.
This is a joke.

sasa.p from Jagodina, Serbia

pre 8 godina

More than autonamy, less than Independence"...I'm not sure. There are several options around the world that have been thrown around and I'm OK with whatever works for both sides! Thanks for listening!
(Watcher, 16 March 2016 14:16) # Com

It's called CYPRUS !.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 8 godina

Recognition from Serbia is optional.
(Gjon Marku, 16 March 2016 16:02)

No, it's pretty much a requirement. Without Serbia's recognition, other states feel no obligation to recognize, keeping Kosovo out of the UN and the EU. Kosovo's alleged "functioning as a sovereign state" is a very *very* rosy picture of what's going on there and at the absolute best, Kosovo is a disputed territory slightly more dignified than Abkhazia and Northern Cyprus (though Northern Cyprus has a far better track record for democracy). Can it get by without Serbia's recognition? Sure. Is life good? Nope. Will Serbia's recognition make it? Perhaps. But what does the good warlord offer in return for his modest request? The Albanian side is notorious for demanding a lot and giving barely anything unless the international community forces it to - and even then it expends huge amounts of energy (and tear gas) delaying implementation.

Watcher

pre 8 godina

@ Gjon Marku - Thanks for the response. I, however, must definantly disagree with you again. It is not "optional". That's why the push is hard for Serbia to recognize. I agree, there is nothing Serbia can do today, but it's not "today" me & you need to be concerned about, it's "tommorrow". Again, what is needed is a agreement with Beograd that works for both sides, not neccessarily happy ones, but viable ones for tommorrow's generation. If we cannot do it together, them somebody else will do it for us...that is not a good option. The "winds of change" are blowing and in my opinion, it is not in Pristina's favor. That's just my opinion. Thanks

sasa.p from Jagodina, Serbia

pre 8 godina

More than autonamy, less than Independence"...I'm not sure. There are several options around the world that have been thrown around and I'm OK with whatever works for both sides! Thanks for listening!
(Watcher, 16 March 2016 14:16) # Com

It is called "CYPRUS"!,system.I stated that more than 2 years ago on this forum.
P's Thaci,is disillusioned, like alot of Shqipire's on this forum!.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

Recognition from Serbia is optional. Kosovo is already functioning as a sovereign state without Serbias recognition.
(Gjon Marku, 16 March 2016 16:02)

No it isn't man. Investors won't come there because many things that Pristina institutions wish to privatize is actually Serbian property and Serbia proved it can defend its sovereignty diplomatically most recently at UNESCO. The key is actual political will on the part of Belgrade you know with all the obsession over joining the EU.

All you've had was access to a lot of capital. So Western donations gave Pristina shiny new police uniforms and cosmetic appearance of a real state. But with the mass exodus of Albanians in 2015, tear gas in parliament, sporadic bursts of anarchy on the streets of Pristina, you are less of a real state than Somalia which at least has a seat at the UN.

As this point, things are only going to get worse. One day, Albanians will admit that this experiment isn't working and they will ask for reintegration into the rest of Serbia.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

I'm not sure I follow your logic. You're saying Serbia "recognizes" Kosovo as a "country", yet Thaci is asking Serbia to recognize Kosovo as a "country".
(Watcher, 16 March 2016 14:16)

Recognition from Serbia is optional. Kosovo is already functioning as a sovereign state without Serbias recognition. He`s not asking because Kosovo isnt independent, thats already the case. He`s asking to solve many neighbourly problems and to not further delay the integration of Kosovo into international organisations.

Brussel talks is the perfect platform for two war parties. Serbia being the agressor has no claim at all. The only thing worth discussing is reparations of war, prosecution for warcrimes, protection of minority, demarcation of territory and bilateral agreements for trade and movement.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"Do you really think a Kosovo Special Court under Kosovo Jurisdiction will find more than ICTY or EULEX? "
(Amanaparts, 16 March 2016 13:10)

No, I don't think so, because your KLA 'heroes' managed to silence all witnesses, the one or the other way, and destroy evidence. That was the reason why, for example, Haradinaj has been acquitted by the ICTY - and this fact was even mentioned by the judges when the ruling was proclaimed.

Which makes it even more strange why Thaci and his clan mates, in cooperation with the Self-Determinator extremists, worked so hard on obstructing and delaying the Kosovo war crimes court.

Amanaparts

pre 8 godina

No, I don't think so, because your KLA 'heroes' managed to silence all witnesses, the one or the other way, and destroy evidence. That was the reason why, for example, Haradinaj has been acquitted by the ICTY - and this fact was even mentioned by the judges when the ruling was proclaimed.

Which makes it even more strange why Thaci and his clan mates, in cooperation with the Self-Determinator extremists, worked so hard on obstructing and delaying the Kosovo war crimes court.
(Comm. Parrisson, 16 March 2016 16:16)

This is because a court is about evidence not about justice. If it was about justice than Serbia would have been convicted 3times for genocide and we would have more than 80 Serbs convicted for 150k victims since the 90ies. You say Haradinaj. I say Milosevic, Mladic, Karadzic, Seselj, Stojanovic... I can go on forever and you know that, even combined, you cannot win this counting game against Kosovars, Croats and Bosniaks.

As for the delay of the war crimes court. The answer is simple. They are guilty of crimes but not warcrimes.

Joni

pre 8 godina

The International Court of Justice wants Thaci in jail for his war crimes.
(American in Nis, 16 March 2016 12:04)

No!! The International Court of Justice don’t want him in jail – Serbia want that. But funny is that Serbia don’t have any proof against. Just fume! Strange no?
I’m still here waiting news from that Nigerian doctor – and I still will wait for the next Serbian “invention” against…, to have some fun.
Until then he’s INNOCENT, remember that.

Laugh a Minute

pre 8 godina

'Compromise' & 'Albanians' are mutually alien to one another.

To Albanians it means "You agree to all my points, I agree to none of yours". Some things never change!

Watcher

pre 8 godina

@ Brian - hmmmm, I'm not sure I follow your logic. You're saying Serbia "recognizes" Kosovo as a "country", yet Thaci is asking Serbia to recognize Kosovo as a "country". I agree, much cooperation and functions are being put into place and I see this slowly leading to a "more than autonamy, less than Independence" final agreement. I'm not saying this to agitate you or anybody, I'm just stating what I see is happening. Your Representives in Pristina are "slowly" getting the people used to it. Help me here if you see it differently...Kosovo declared Independence what, eight or so years ago? Yet yesterday, Thaci is "asking" Serbia to recognize it? Could it be that both Beograd & Pristina are BOTH SLOWLY getting their people used to the idea of a compromise that actually WORKS for BOTH, yet NEITHER is happy about it? I think so...and I hope so also. That is the only way to move forward with a solid, functional relationship between Pristina & Beograd. NO ONE should say "I want ALL I ask for and then we can negotiate on the rest"...neither Pristina nor Beograd!I'm pretty sure people will respond with asking me to define " More than autonamy, less than Independence"...I'm not sure. There are several options around the world that have been thrown around and I'm OK with whatever works for both sides! Thanks for listening!

Amanaparts

pre 8 godina

He`s probably guilty of many things but nothing of what Dick Marty has "reported".

ICTY and EULEX have already investigated this case and they found nothing. Do you really think a Kosovo Special Court under Kosovo Jurisdiction will find more than ICTY or EULEX? A lot of you guys dont seem to understand what this court is about and how it operates.

Amanaparts

pre 8 godina

Well, he`s right. He`s only pointing out the obvious. Not recognising Kosovo is only going to prolong the suffering. Think about it. One day Serbia will recognise Kosovo and you will realise that hundreds of millions have been spent on a fight against windmills. There is no way a 90% majority of albanians is going to agree on living with Serbia under one roof.

As for his past. The special court is eithor going to imprison him or to restore his image. Either way, its good for us and it`ll only strengthen the international position of Kosova.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"Many allegations are published in Dick Marty's report. Kosovo is conducting a transparent, international judicial process to establish the truth. We have nothing to hide," said Thaci.

Yes? And why did his government work hard on delaying, obstructing, hindering and blocking the installation of the Kosovo war crime court (where Mr. Gentleman Thaci will one of the indicted persons)?

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 8 godina

"Many allegations are published in Dick Marty's report. Kosovo is conducting a transparent, international judicial process to establish the truth. We have nothing to hide," said Thaci.

Yeah, except the bodies and the evidence :)

mik

pre 8 godina

Things are getting a bit desperate for Thaci now.. don't worry Interpol will put you and your KLA terrorists out of their misery very soon.

mik

pre 8 godina

Things are getting a bit desperate for Thaci now.. don't worry Interpol will put you and your KLA terrorists out of their misery very soon.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 8 godina

"Many allegations are published in Dick Marty's report. Kosovo is conducting a transparent, international judicial process to establish the truth. We have nothing to hide," said Thaci.

Yeah, except the bodies and the evidence :)

Laugh a Minute

pre 8 godina

'Compromise' & 'Albanians' are mutually alien to one another.

To Albanians it means "You agree to all my points, I agree to none of yours". Some things never change!

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"Many allegations are published in Dick Marty's report. Kosovo is conducting a transparent, international judicial process to establish the truth. We have nothing to hide," said Thaci.

Yes? And why did his government work hard on delaying, obstructing, hindering and blocking the installation of the Kosovo war crime court (where Mr. Gentleman Thaci will one of the indicted persons)?

Smart Serb

pre 8 godina

How can this piece of garbage be a president of an illegal breakaway province from Serbia when he will be questioned by a war crime tribunal and possibly charged.
This is a joke.

Smart Serb

pre 8 godina

Thaci tells the world he wants to fight CRIME, TRAFFICKING and RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM.
The U.S and Europe have crowned him the king of these three things.
You have a green light KING!!!!!!
Scum bag piece of SH*T

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"Do you really think a Kosovo Special Court under Kosovo Jurisdiction will find more than ICTY or EULEX? "
(Amanaparts, 16 March 2016 13:10)

No, I don't think so, because your KLA 'heroes' managed to silence all witnesses, the one or the other way, and destroy evidence. That was the reason why, for example, Haradinaj has been acquitted by the ICTY - and this fact was even mentioned by the judges when the ruling was proclaimed.

Which makes it even more strange why Thaci and his clan mates, in cooperation with the Self-Determinator extremists, worked so hard on obstructing and delaying the Kosovo war crimes court.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

Recognition from Serbia is optional. Kosovo is already functioning as a sovereign state without Serbias recognition.
(Gjon Marku, 16 March 2016 16:02)

No it isn't man. Investors won't come there because many things that Pristina institutions wish to privatize is actually Serbian property and Serbia proved it can defend its sovereignty diplomatically most recently at UNESCO. The key is actual political will on the part of Belgrade you know with all the obsession over joining the EU.

All you've had was access to a lot of capital. So Western donations gave Pristina shiny new police uniforms and cosmetic appearance of a real state. But with the mass exodus of Albanians in 2015, tear gas in parliament, sporadic bursts of anarchy on the streets of Pristina, you are less of a real state than Somalia which at least has a seat at the UN.

As this point, things are only going to get worse. One day, Albanians will admit that this experiment isn't working and they will ask for reintegration into the rest of Serbia.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 8 godina

Recognition from Serbia is optional.
(Gjon Marku, 16 March 2016 16:02)

No, it's pretty much a requirement. Without Serbia's recognition, other states feel no obligation to recognize, keeping Kosovo out of the UN and the EU. Kosovo's alleged "functioning as a sovereign state" is a very *very* rosy picture of what's going on there and at the absolute best, Kosovo is a disputed territory slightly more dignified than Abkhazia and Northern Cyprus (though Northern Cyprus has a far better track record for democracy). Can it get by without Serbia's recognition? Sure. Is life good? Nope. Will Serbia's recognition make it? Perhaps. But what does the good warlord offer in return for his modest request? The Albanian side is notorious for demanding a lot and giving barely anything unless the international community forces it to - and even then it expends huge amounts of energy (and tear gas) delaying implementation.

Watcher

pre 8 godina

@ Brian - hmmmm, I'm not sure I follow your logic. You're saying Serbia "recognizes" Kosovo as a "country", yet Thaci is asking Serbia to recognize Kosovo as a "country". I agree, much cooperation and functions are being put into place and I see this slowly leading to a "more than autonamy, less than Independence" final agreement. I'm not saying this to agitate you or anybody, I'm just stating what I see is happening. Your Representives in Pristina are "slowly" getting the people used to it. Help me here if you see it differently...Kosovo declared Independence what, eight or so years ago? Yet yesterday, Thaci is "asking" Serbia to recognize it? Could it be that both Beograd & Pristina are BOTH SLOWLY getting their people used to the idea of a compromise that actually WORKS for BOTH, yet NEITHER is happy about it? I think so...and I hope so also. That is the only way to move forward with a solid, functional relationship between Pristina & Beograd. NO ONE should say "I want ALL I ask for and then we can negotiate on the rest"...neither Pristina nor Beograd!I'm pretty sure people will respond with asking me to define " More than autonamy, less than Independence"...I'm not sure. There are several options around the world that have been thrown around and I'm OK with whatever works for both sides! Thanks for listening!

Watcher

pre 8 godina

@ Gjon Marku - Thanks for the response. I, however, must definantly disagree with you again. It is not "optional". That's why the push is hard for Serbia to recognize. I agree, there is nothing Serbia can do today, but it's not "today" me & you need to be concerned about, it's "tommorrow". Again, what is needed is a agreement with Beograd that works for both sides, not neccessarily happy ones, but viable ones for tommorrow's generation. If we cannot do it together, them somebody else will do it for us...that is not a good option. The "winds of change" are blowing and in my opinion, it is not in Pristina's favor. That's just my opinion. Thanks

sasa.p from Jagodina, Serbia

pre 8 godina

More than autonamy, less than Independence"...I'm not sure. There are several options around the world that have been thrown around and I'm OK with whatever works for both sides! Thanks for listening!
(Watcher, 16 March 2016 14:16) # Com

It is called "CYPRUS"!,system.I stated that more than 2 years ago on this forum.
P's Thaci,is disillusioned, like alot of Shqipire's on this forum!.

Joni

pre 8 godina

The International Court of Justice wants Thaci in jail for his war crimes.
(American in Nis, 16 March 2016 12:04)

No!! The International Court of Justice don’t want him in jail – Serbia want that. But funny is that Serbia don’t have any proof against. Just fume! Strange no?
I’m still here waiting news from that Nigerian doctor – and I still will wait for the next Serbian “invention” against…, to have some fun.
Until then he’s INNOCENT, remember that.

sasa.p from Jagodina, Serbia

pre 8 godina

More than autonamy, less than Independence"...I'm not sure. There are several options around the world that have been thrown around and I'm OK with whatever works for both sides! Thanks for listening!
(Watcher, 16 March 2016 14:16) # Com

It's called CYPRUS !.

Amanaparts

pre 8 godina

Well, he`s right. He`s only pointing out the obvious. Not recognising Kosovo is only going to prolong the suffering. Think about it. One day Serbia will recognise Kosovo and you will realise that hundreds of millions have been spent on a fight against windmills. There is no way a 90% majority of albanians is going to agree on living with Serbia under one roof.

As for his past. The special court is eithor going to imprison him or to restore his image. Either way, its good for us and it`ll only strengthen the international position of Kosova.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Wind is indeed changing.

2016
Association Agreement with EU
Visa liberalization with EU
UEFA + FIFA Membership
Unesco Membership
Demarcation of territory with Serbia
Reparation for War
Return of Pension Funds (over 1bn Euro)
Formation of ZSO

2017
Recognition from Vatican
Nato Membership
Vote over removal of Kosovo from Serb Constitution
Recognition of Kosovo from remaining EU countries

I`m not afraid of the future because there is no going back. This stalemate will only harm Serb minority in Kosovo and Serbia EU membership attempt. Like Taiwan, Kosovo has already made the decision. Serbia lost the right for any claim when commited state organised massmurder of civilians. 90% majority is not going to forget that. Not today, not in the future.

Amanaparts

pre 8 godina

He`s probably guilty of many things but nothing of what Dick Marty has "reported".

ICTY and EULEX have already investigated this case and they found nothing. Do you really think a Kosovo Special Court under Kosovo Jurisdiction will find more than ICTY or EULEX? A lot of you guys dont seem to understand what this court is about and how it operates.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

I'm not sure I follow your logic. You're saying Serbia "recognizes" Kosovo as a "country", yet Thaci is asking Serbia to recognize Kosovo as a "country".
(Watcher, 16 March 2016 14:16)

Recognition from Serbia is optional. Kosovo is already functioning as a sovereign state without Serbias recognition. He`s not asking because Kosovo isnt independent, thats already the case. He`s asking to solve many neighbourly problems and to not further delay the integration of Kosovo into international organisations.

Brussel talks is the perfect platform for two war parties. Serbia being the agressor has no claim at all. The only thing worth discussing is reparations of war, prosecution for warcrimes, protection of minority, demarcation of territory and bilateral agreements for trade and movement.

Amanaparts

pre 8 godina

No, I don't think so, because your KLA 'heroes' managed to silence all witnesses, the one or the other way, and destroy evidence. That was the reason why, for example, Haradinaj has been acquitted by the ICTY - and this fact was even mentioned by the judges when the ruling was proclaimed.

Which makes it even more strange why Thaci and his clan mates, in cooperation with the Self-Determinator extremists, worked so hard on obstructing and delaying the Kosovo war crimes court.
(Comm. Parrisson, 16 March 2016 16:16)

This is because a court is about evidence not about justice. If it was about justice than Serbia would have been convicted 3times for genocide and we would have more than 80 Serbs convicted for 150k victims since the 90ies. You say Haradinaj. I say Milosevic, Mladic, Karadzic, Seselj, Stojanovic... I can go on forever and you know that, even combined, you cannot win this counting game against Kosovars, Croats and Bosniaks.

As for the delay of the war crimes court. The answer is simple. They are guilty of crimes but not warcrimes.

Avni

pre 8 godina

Thaci should ask his friend Dacic to recognize Kosovo. Just like Thaci he wants to be president too. Two dangerous people as heads of states. What could go wrong?

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

What was your previous nickname as today you are the champ of the poorest comments here. I suspect you of being Rocky - same stupid statements.
(rote, 17 March 2016 12:08)

Rocky is croat I think. I`m from Gjakova Kosovo. I make the poorest comments? lets see. I`m a Kosovo Albanian commenting about a topic concerning Kosovo. I talk about real politics. Things that are already happening in Brussel talks ore domestic politics in both countries.

You are the guy from "russia" talking about russia miraculously returning to the Balkans even though Russia was naver more than a tourist on the adria coast saying that Turks and Serbs are the exact same people and that basically Serbs are Turks.

I leave the rest to the community.

rote

pre 8 godina

Gjon : I`m not afraid of the future because there is no going back. This stalemate will only harm Serb minority in Kosovo and Serbia EU membership attempt. Like Taiwan, Kosovo has already made the decision. Serbia lost the right for any claim …

What was your previous nickname as today you are the champ of the poorest comments here. I suspect you of being Rocky - same stupid statements. Now the difference between this runaway Serbian province and Taiwan is as big as the distance between Tatarstan and the Tatar Straits. First because the Go Ming Dan government of Chan Kai Shi was thee legal government of entire China while the Communists of Mao were the rebellions. Second because the USA has a long term interest to keep China in tense while KIM may quite become a part of a bargain between Russia and the Yankees. Times has changed and it is Kerry coming to Moscow now if only he is allowed. So some a Russian voice can wake you up with words МАДАМ, МЫ ВАШУ ПОПУ В КАРТЫ ПРОИГРАЛИ!

Donkey Hoxha

pre 8 godina

I`m a Kosovo Albanian commenting about a topic concerning Kosovo. I talk about real politics.
(Gjon Marku, 17 March 2016 13:27)

Says the guy who presents an unfulfilled wishlist:

2016
Association Agreement with EU - Symbolic gesture. You'll be like Turkey
Visa liberalization with EU - hasn't happened.
UEFA + FIFA Membership - informal membership
Unesco Membership - um, you DID read the news, right?
Demarcation of territory with Serbia - hasn't happened
Reparation for War - Yes. You owe Serbia a lot for the damage you caused.
Return of Pension Funds (over 1bn Euro) - Stop asking for handouts
Formation of ZSO - Anytime you want bud.

2017
Recognition from Vatican - Nope
Nato Membership - Nope
Vote over removal of Kosovo from Serb Constitution - Nope
Recognition of Kosovo from remaining EU countries - LOL

I`m not afraid of the future because there is no going back.
(Gjon Marku, 16 March 2016 23:52)

How can you be afraid of the future when you have no concept of the present or past? :)

icj1

pre 8 godina

How can this piece of garbage be a president of an illegal breakaway province from Serbia when he will be questioned by a war crime tribunal and possibly charged.
This is a joke.
(Smart Serb, 16 March 2016 20:58)

But, yet he can be the president regardless of what you or Serbia think about it. I'm not saying that is a good or a bad thing, but the point is that there is not much you or Serbia can do.... both your or Serbia's opinions on the matter are totally irrelevant.

rote

pre 8 godina

Gjon Marku : saying that Turks and Serbs are the exact same people and that basically Serbs are Turks.

I never said that Serbs are Turks because in the middle ages Turks did not exist as a nation but was formed between 1928 and 2016. In 1942 they forbade speaking other than newly invented Turkish language that was very different from the Osmani language. Also they changed for Turkish names of 100% of the citizens. Two Greeks or Kurds or Shqiptars or Amenians could not guess that in front of them was their compatriots. This is how this fascist nation was imposed.

But during the Slav rule of the empire (1453-1826) all nations and religious had same rights with little advantage for the Muslims. The only church that wasn’t turned into a mosque was the Aya Irini inside the Sultans’ (in fact Padishahs’) temple in Istanbul. Serbs were part of the elite of the Osmans (Simeons) while Balkans was the craddle Ottoman empire but not a colony. They conquered Natol (Anatol) in 1453 while Mehmet II with his sons and grandchildren were Slavs.

Last year an international group of scientists proved that the cradle of the main Russian happlogroups (R1a,I2,I1) was Kosovo while Serbs could come to the Balkans from the South Russia where same R1b/R1a happlogroup have the Terski Cossacks. Both R1a and R1b are Slavonic sister happlogroups. And so are the Brits, the French, Spaniards, Germans, Portuguese, Americans, Argentinians ect.

Behave and we can have a dialogue!

Joe M

pre 8 godina

Where's the actual offer of compromise? What less than Kosovo's full demands would he accept? Would he offer to return part of Kosovo's territory? Would he offer full dual citizenship to all Serbian citizens so all the displaced persons could return with full rights? Would he offer control over some of the Serbian religious monuments in Kosovo? Would he offer amnesty for all political offenses related to separatism/loyalism issues? I see the word "compromise" without any supporting details.

icj1

pre 8 godina

Would he offer to return part of Kosovo's territory?
(Joe M, 19 March 2016 02:24)

I'm not aware of any part of Kosovo's territory that wants to be independent from Kosovo!
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Would he offer full dual citizenship to all Serbian citizens so all the displaced persons could return with full rights?
(Joe M, 19 March 2016 02:24)

Well, he can only offer Kosovo's citizenship. He can't offer any other citizenship because it's not under his control :)
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Would he offer control over some of the Serbian religious monuments in Kosovo?
(Joe M, 19 March 2016 02:24)

Offer control to whom? They are already controlled by whoever is the owner per cadastral records. Do you want him to take them away from their owners and give their control to somebody else?!
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Would he offer amnesty for all political offenses related to separatism/loyalism issues?
(Joe M, 19 March 2016 02:24)

I'm not aware of anybody convicted of the crime of lack of loyalism! That crime does not even exist. So, not sure whom that amnesty would be for!

Amanaparts

pre 8 godina

Well, he`s right. He`s only pointing out the obvious. Not recognising Kosovo is only going to prolong the suffering. Think about it. One day Serbia will recognise Kosovo and you will realise that hundreds of millions have been spent on a fight against windmills. There is no way a 90% majority of albanians is going to agree on living with Serbia under one roof.

As for his past. The special court is eithor going to imprison him or to restore his image. Either way, its good for us and it`ll only strengthen the international position of Kosova.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

I'm not sure I follow your logic. You're saying Serbia "recognizes" Kosovo as a "country", yet Thaci is asking Serbia to recognize Kosovo as a "country".
(Watcher, 16 March 2016 14:16)

Recognition from Serbia is optional. Kosovo is already functioning as a sovereign state without Serbias recognition. He`s not asking because Kosovo isnt independent, thats already the case. He`s asking to solve many neighbourly problems and to not further delay the integration of Kosovo into international organisations.

Brussel talks is the perfect platform for two war parties. Serbia being the agressor has no claim at all. The only thing worth discussing is reparations of war, prosecution for warcrimes, protection of minority, demarcation of territory and bilateral agreements for trade and movement.

Joni

pre 8 godina

The International Court of Justice wants Thaci in jail for his war crimes.
(American in Nis, 16 March 2016 12:04)

No!! The International Court of Justice don’t want him in jail – Serbia want that. But funny is that Serbia don’t have any proof against. Just fume! Strange no?
I’m still here waiting news from that Nigerian doctor – and I still will wait for the next Serbian “invention” against…, to have some fun.
Until then he’s INNOCENT, remember that.

Amanaparts

pre 8 godina

No, I don't think so, because your KLA 'heroes' managed to silence all witnesses, the one or the other way, and destroy evidence. That was the reason why, for example, Haradinaj has been acquitted by the ICTY - and this fact was even mentioned by the judges when the ruling was proclaimed.

Which makes it even more strange why Thaci and his clan mates, in cooperation with the Self-Determinator extremists, worked so hard on obstructing and delaying the Kosovo war crimes court.
(Comm. Parrisson, 16 March 2016 16:16)

This is because a court is about evidence not about justice. If it was about justice than Serbia would have been convicted 3times for genocide and we would have more than 80 Serbs convicted for 150k victims since the 90ies. You say Haradinaj. I say Milosevic, Mladic, Karadzic, Seselj, Stojanovic... I can go on forever and you know that, even combined, you cannot win this counting game against Kosovars, Croats and Bosniaks.

As for the delay of the war crimes court. The answer is simple. They are guilty of crimes but not warcrimes.

Amanaparts

pre 8 godina

He`s probably guilty of many things but nothing of what Dick Marty has "reported".

ICTY and EULEX have already investigated this case and they found nothing. Do you really think a Kosovo Special Court under Kosovo Jurisdiction will find more than ICTY or EULEX? A lot of you guys dont seem to understand what this court is about and how it operates.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Wind is indeed changing.

2016
Association Agreement with EU
Visa liberalization with EU
UEFA + FIFA Membership
Unesco Membership
Demarcation of territory with Serbia
Reparation for War
Return of Pension Funds (over 1bn Euro)
Formation of ZSO

2017
Recognition from Vatican
Nato Membership
Vote over removal of Kosovo from Serb Constitution
Recognition of Kosovo from remaining EU countries

I`m not afraid of the future because there is no going back. This stalemate will only harm Serb minority in Kosovo and Serbia EU membership attempt. Like Taiwan, Kosovo has already made the decision. Serbia lost the right for any claim when commited state organised massmurder of civilians. 90% majority is not going to forget that. Not today, not in the future.

mik

pre 8 godina

Things are getting a bit desperate for Thaci now.. don't worry Interpol will put you and your KLA terrorists out of their misery very soon.

Smart Serb

pre 8 godina

Thaci tells the world he wants to fight CRIME, TRAFFICKING and RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM.
The U.S and Europe have crowned him the king of these three things.
You have a green light KING!!!!!!
Scum bag piece of SH*T

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 8 godina

"Many allegations are published in Dick Marty's report. Kosovo is conducting a transparent, international judicial process to establish the truth. We have nothing to hide," said Thaci.

Yeah, except the bodies and the evidence :)

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

Recognition from Serbia is optional. Kosovo is already functioning as a sovereign state without Serbias recognition.
(Gjon Marku, 16 March 2016 16:02)

No it isn't man. Investors won't come there because many things that Pristina institutions wish to privatize is actually Serbian property and Serbia proved it can defend its sovereignty diplomatically most recently at UNESCO. The key is actual political will on the part of Belgrade you know with all the obsession over joining the EU.

All you've had was access to a lot of capital. So Western donations gave Pristina shiny new police uniforms and cosmetic appearance of a real state. But with the mass exodus of Albanians in 2015, tear gas in parliament, sporadic bursts of anarchy on the streets of Pristina, you are less of a real state than Somalia which at least has a seat at the UN.

As this point, things are only going to get worse. One day, Albanians will admit that this experiment isn't working and they will ask for reintegration into the rest of Serbia.

sasa.p from Jagodina, Serbia

pre 8 godina

More than autonamy, less than Independence"...I'm not sure. There are several options around the world that have been thrown around and I'm OK with whatever works for both sides! Thanks for listening!
(Watcher, 16 March 2016 14:16) # Com

It is called "CYPRUS"!,system.I stated that more than 2 years ago on this forum.
P's Thaci,is disillusioned, like alot of Shqipire's on this forum!.

Smart Serb

pre 8 godina

How can this piece of garbage be a president of an illegal breakaway province from Serbia when he will be questioned by a war crime tribunal and possibly charged.
This is a joke.

Avni

pre 8 godina

Thaci should ask his friend Dacic to recognize Kosovo. Just like Thaci he wants to be president too. Two dangerous people as heads of states. What could go wrong?

sasa.p from Jagodina, Serbia

pre 8 godina

More than autonamy, less than Independence"...I'm not sure. There are several options around the world that have been thrown around and I'm OK with whatever works for both sides! Thanks for listening!
(Watcher, 16 March 2016 14:16) # Com

It's called CYPRUS !.

rote

pre 8 godina

Gjon : I`m not afraid of the future because there is no going back. This stalemate will only harm Serb minority in Kosovo and Serbia EU membership attempt. Like Taiwan, Kosovo has already made the decision. Serbia lost the right for any claim …

What was your previous nickname as today you are the champ of the poorest comments here. I suspect you of being Rocky - same stupid statements. Now the difference between this runaway Serbian province and Taiwan is as big as the distance between Tatarstan and the Tatar Straits. First because the Go Ming Dan government of Chan Kai Shi was thee legal government of entire China while the Communists of Mao were the rebellions. Second because the USA has a long term interest to keep China in tense while KIM may quite become a part of a bargain between Russia and the Yankees. Times has changed and it is Kerry coming to Moscow now if only he is allowed. So some a Russian voice can wake you up with words МАДАМ, МЫ ВАШУ ПОПУ В КАРТЫ ПРОИГРАЛИ!

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

What was your previous nickname as today you are the champ of the poorest comments here. I suspect you of being Rocky - same stupid statements.
(rote, 17 March 2016 12:08)

Rocky is croat I think. I`m from Gjakova Kosovo. I make the poorest comments? lets see. I`m a Kosovo Albanian commenting about a topic concerning Kosovo. I talk about real politics. Things that are already happening in Brussel talks ore domestic politics in both countries.

You are the guy from "russia" talking about russia miraculously returning to the Balkans even though Russia was naver more than a tourist on the adria coast saying that Turks and Serbs are the exact same people and that basically Serbs are Turks.

I leave the rest to the community.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"Do you really think a Kosovo Special Court under Kosovo Jurisdiction will find more than ICTY or EULEX? "
(Amanaparts, 16 March 2016 13:10)

No, I don't think so, because your KLA 'heroes' managed to silence all witnesses, the one or the other way, and destroy evidence. That was the reason why, for example, Haradinaj has been acquitted by the ICTY - and this fact was even mentioned by the judges when the ruling was proclaimed.

Which makes it even more strange why Thaci and his clan mates, in cooperation with the Self-Determinator extremists, worked so hard on obstructing and delaying the Kosovo war crimes court.

Watcher

pre 8 godina

@ Gjon Marku - Thanks for the response. I, however, must definantly disagree with you again. It is not "optional". That's why the push is hard for Serbia to recognize. I agree, there is nothing Serbia can do today, but it's not "today" me & you need to be concerned about, it's "tommorrow". Again, what is needed is a agreement with Beograd that works for both sides, not neccessarily happy ones, but viable ones for tommorrow's generation. If we cannot do it together, them somebody else will do it for us...that is not a good option. The "winds of change" are blowing and in my opinion, it is not in Pristina's favor. That's just my opinion. Thanks

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 8 godina

Recognition from Serbia is optional.
(Gjon Marku, 16 March 2016 16:02)

No, it's pretty much a requirement. Without Serbia's recognition, other states feel no obligation to recognize, keeping Kosovo out of the UN and the EU. Kosovo's alleged "functioning as a sovereign state" is a very *very* rosy picture of what's going on there and at the absolute best, Kosovo is a disputed territory slightly more dignified than Abkhazia and Northern Cyprus (though Northern Cyprus has a far better track record for democracy). Can it get by without Serbia's recognition? Sure. Is life good? Nope. Will Serbia's recognition make it? Perhaps. But what does the good warlord offer in return for his modest request? The Albanian side is notorious for demanding a lot and giving barely anything unless the international community forces it to - and even then it expends huge amounts of energy (and tear gas) delaying implementation.

Donkey Hoxha

pre 8 godina

I`m a Kosovo Albanian commenting about a topic concerning Kosovo. I talk about real politics.
(Gjon Marku, 17 March 2016 13:27)

Says the guy who presents an unfulfilled wishlist:

2016
Association Agreement with EU - Symbolic gesture. You'll be like Turkey
Visa liberalization with EU - hasn't happened.
UEFA + FIFA Membership - informal membership
Unesco Membership - um, you DID read the news, right?
Demarcation of territory with Serbia - hasn't happened
Reparation for War - Yes. You owe Serbia a lot for the damage you caused.
Return of Pension Funds (over 1bn Euro) - Stop asking for handouts
Formation of ZSO - Anytime you want bud.

2017
Recognition from Vatican - Nope
Nato Membership - Nope
Vote over removal of Kosovo from Serb Constitution - Nope
Recognition of Kosovo from remaining EU countries - LOL

I`m not afraid of the future because there is no going back.
(Gjon Marku, 16 March 2016 23:52)

How can you be afraid of the future when you have no concept of the present or past? :)

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"Many allegations are published in Dick Marty's report. Kosovo is conducting a transparent, international judicial process to establish the truth. We have nothing to hide," said Thaci.

Yes? And why did his government work hard on delaying, obstructing, hindering and blocking the installation of the Kosovo war crime court (where Mr. Gentleman Thaci will one of the indicted persons)?

Watcher

pre 8 godina

@ Brian - hmmmm, I'm not sure I follow your logic. You're saying Serbia "recognizes" Kosovo as a "country", yet Thaci is asking Serbia to recognize Kosovo as a "country". I agree, much cooperation and functions are being put into place and I see this slowly leading to a "more than autonamy, less than Independence" final agreement. I'm not saying this to agitate you or anybody, I'm just stating what I see is happening. Your Representives in Pristina are "slowly" getting the people used to it. Help me here if you see it differently...Kosovo declared Independence what, eight or so years ago? Yet yesterday, Thaci is "asking" Serbia to recognize it? Could it be that both Beograd & Pristina are BOTH SLOWLY getting their people used to the idea of a compromise that actually WORKS for BOTH, yet NEITHER is happy about it? I think so...and I hope so also. That is the only way to move forward with a solid, functional relationship between Pristina & Beograd. NO ONE should say "I want ALL I ask for and then we can negotiate on the rest"...neither Pristina nor Beograd!I'm pretty sure people will respond with asking me to define " More than autonamy, less than Independence"...I'm not sure. There are several options around the world that have been thrown around and I'm OK with whatever works for both sides! Thanks for listening!

Laugh a Minute

pre 8 godina

'Compromise' & 'Albanians' are mutually alien to one another.

To Albanians it means "You agree to all my points, I agree to none of yours". Some things never change!

rote

pre 8 godina

Gjon Marku : saying that Turks and Serbs are the exact same people and that basically Serbs are Turks.

I never said that Serbs are Turks because in the middle ages Turks did not exist as a nation but was formed between 1928 and 2016. In 1942 they forbade speaking other than newly invented Turkish language that was very different from the Osmani language. Also they changed for Turkish names of 100% of the citizens. Two Greeks or Kurds or Shqiptars or Amenians could not guess that in front of them was their compatriots. This is how this fascist nation was imposed.

But during the Slav rule of the empire (1453-1826) all nations and religious had same rights with little advantage for the Muslims. The only church that wasn’t turned into a mosque was the Aya Irini inside the Sultans’ (in fact Padishahs’) temple in Istanbul. Serbs were part of the elite of the Osmans (Simeons) while Balkans was the craddle Ottoman empire but not a colony. They conquered Natol (Anatol) in 1453 while Mehmet II with his sons and grandchildren were Slavs.

Last year an international group of scientists proved that the cradle of the main Russian happlogroups (R1a,I2,I1) was Kosovo while Serbs could come to the Balkans from the South Russia where same R1b/R1a happlogroup have the Terski Cossacks. Both R1a and R1b are Slavonic sister happlogroups. And so are the Brits, the French, Spaniards, Germans, Portuguese, Americans, Argentinians ect.

Behave and we can have a dialogue!

icj1

pre 8 godina

How can this piece of garbage be a president of an illegal breakaway province from Serbia when he will be questioned by a war crime tribunal and possibly charged.
This is a joke.
(Smart Serb, 16 March 2016 20:58)

But, yet he can be the president regardless of what you or Serbia think about it. I'm not saying that is a good or a bad thing, but the point is that there is not much you or Serbia can do.... both your or Serbia's opinions on the matter are totally irrelevant.

Joe M

pre 8 godina

Where's the actual offer of compromise? What less than Kosovo's full demands would he accept? Would he offer to return part of Kosovo's territory? Would he offer full dual citizenship to all Serbian citizens so all the displaced persons could return with full rights? Would he offer control over some of the Serbian religious monuments in Kosovo? Would he offer amnesty for all political offenses related to separatism/loyalism issues? I see the word "compromise" without any supporting details.

icj1

pre 8 godina

Would he offer to return part of Kosovo's territory?
(Joe M, 19 March 2016 02:24)

I'm not aware of any part of Kosovo's territory that wants to be independent from Kosovo!
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Would he offer full dual citizenship to all Serbian citizens so all the displaced persons could return with full rights?
(Joe M, 19 March 2016 02:24)

Well, he can only offer Kosovo's citizenship. He can't offer any other citizenship because it's not under his control :)
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Would he offer control over some of the Serbian religious monuments in Kosovo?
(Joe M, 19 March 2016 02:24)

Offer control to whom? They are already controlled by whoever is the owner per cadastral records. Do you want him to take them away from their owners and give their control to somebody else?!
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Would he offer amnesty for all political offenses related to separatism/loyalism issues?
(Joe M, 19 March 2016 02:24)

I'm not aware of anybody convicted of the crime of lack of loyalism! That crime does not even exist. So, not sure whom that amnesty would be for!