Russians to stop shipping gas to Serbia via Ukraine in 2019

According to Bajatovic, the region of Southeast Europe, including Serbia, is the victim of bureaucratic and political disputes between the EU and Russia and that "some kind of gas supply will have to be established, whether it's a pipeline or liquefied gas from shale."

Not exactly, it's a victim of Russian stubbornness and Russia's will to blackmail, punish and isolate Ukraine. Otherwise, gas supply would work like it worked for the last decades.

P.S: It might sound cruel, but somehow it would be a good lesson for Serbians what is the great 'Russian friendship' like, if in 2019 citizens would have to sit in the cold. But probably they would blame NATO, EU and 'The west' even in that case :)

Didn't Serbia, as well as Bulgaria, bend under EU pressure to stop the work on South Stream pipeline? Eventually Russia, with no way through, killed the project all together. Who is the guilty party now? I say Bulgaria and Serbia.

This is actually a blessing for Serbia from Russia.

If it is smart, it can use this to great advantage.

Be smart. Play your cards right in this situation.

Djerdap 3 is the key to Serbia's energy needs. This long-planned hydro-electric plant on the Danube would give Serbia energy independence. There are two reasons why this project has not been built: 1.) it would make Serbia energy independent, which does not accord with Western plans to make Serbia a dependent country; and 2.) if Serbia built this hydro-electric dam, then it would be owned and controlled by the Serbian nation. Since the Rothschilds want to own it, then they must sabotage the project unti they can arrange things in their favour.

Germany will get Nord Stream 2 now while EU (greater Germany) does not allow Serbia to have South Stream, another giant damage for Serbia (without any chance of ever getting the money refunded from Germany OR the good beloved russian brothers). What is the ammount of sh*t Serbia is going to take?

According to Bajatovic, the region of Southeast Europe, including Serbia, is the victim of bureaucratic and political disputes between the EU and Russia and that "some kind of gas supply will have to be established, whether it's a pipeline or liquefied gas from shale."

Not exactly, it's a victim of Russian stubbornness and Russia's will to blackmail, punish and isolate Ukraine. Otherwise, gas supply would work like it worked for the last decades.

P.S: It might sound cruel, but somehow it would be a good lesson for Serbians what is the great 'Russian friendship' like, if in 2019 citizens would have to sit in the cold. But probably they would blame NATO, EU and 'The west' even in that case :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 March 2016 15:58

Why would Russia ,keep using Ukraine route!,After what Ukrainian's have done to Crimea Russian Population!.
Oh,I forgot ,you only jump up and down,only when Shqipire's are affected!. There is no Shqipire getting killed in Ukraine, so business should be keep usual you state!.
Don't worry about the RUSSIA Gas,worry about the Middle Eastern gas,where your Shqipire's are getting killed ,fighting with Islamic State.
Good on Russia giving Ukrainian gas which they never pay!.

svabo : What is the amount of sh*t Serbia is going to take?

DON’T BE PANIC AS WE KNOW NOTHING YET. Besides Putin will find a way out as he always did.


Comm. : Not exactly, it's a victim of Russian stubbornness and Russia's will to blackmail, punish and isolate Ukraine. Otherwise, gas supply would work like it worked for the last decades. P.S: It might sound cruel, but somehow it would be a good lesson for Serbians what is the great 'Russian friendship' like

The only truth is that the Russians are stubborn. But I would like everybody to mention the following :

1/ In Ukraine there are 3 pipelines that supply Europe all 3 designed to work for 30 years IF PROPERLY SUPPORTED. You can guess how much money the Ukrainians spent for the pipes last 25 years … Now what do you think of the pipes that are 27, 30 and 40 years old?

2/ Can’t you see that we have problems for delivering gas to the sough of Europe and every single bitch or a son of a bitch whom we make an offer blackmails us?

3/ Do you prefer to have gas from Germany or freeze next winter if the transporting system of Ukraine or the fake state itself collapse this year?

4/ morally and materially Russia is interested in the project as much as any of the Balkan states.

South Stream! South Stream!

TrrT!

Lol!

Serbia had all chances to become gas transport country but didn't use that unfortunately, even knowing about possible problems with supply through Ukraine. So before blaming somebody else it should also admit its own fails.

The last problem will face EU in 2019 is Gas.. There is plenty of it and consumption is stagnating..And for the 2019 new routes will be available..
Only in Serbia it seems THAT SOMEONE CAN'T SLEEP.. by the way if you want only Russian gas you can have it from North stream 1-2 or from the Belarus -poland pipe and maybe from ( if Gazprom finds the money ) the new-old Black sea project that was sign in Rome 2 week ago...
Be calm ..

"...without any chance of ever getting the money refunded from Germany OR the good beloved russian brothers".
(svabo, 11 March 2016 16:01)

What money refunded? You mean the money Serbia lost for giving away NIS(including domestic gas resources worht more than a billion $) to Gazprom for some peanuts? Vecause, of course, the South Stream deal was 'not connected' with the 'sale' of NIS which happened without a public tender.
Sorry, it's Russia that f**d Serbia with this deal, and you might have serious doubts if they ever would have build South Stream at all under the current circumstances.

If somebody is willing to pay the right price, US gas producers would ship gas to the Moon, let alone to Europe. This has nothing to be with thr US debt. For you being there is the States, you appear to be clueless!
(icj1, 14 March 2016 14:30) #

Einstein in action, go back and read your "Economic" textbooks from Pristina University. There is no demand and supply curves that could be met to ship natural gas across the Atlantic, zero, none!

You count on the American gas? Let me give you the perspective . To transfer the US gas over the ocean with tankers you have to turn gas into liquid, meaning : to compress and keep it cool, the very expensive process. But to be able to do that,first you have to build on both sides of the Atlantic huge facilities, on the European side to do decompressing, turning liquid into gas. We here, in the States, can't afford to do anything with 20 trillion $ in the red. Specially if Trump is elected it's out of the question. He is going to renegotiate every globalist treaty with Europe and the rest of the world. If the old Rino McCain told you that you can count on us, us meaning US ,to be toasty in winter, he is either delusional , or he lies as he often does . It ain't gonna happen ! At least not in the next 50 years, if ever.

(Free, 12 March 2016 11:35)

The construction of a trans Adriatic pipeline by 2019 is only possible if you borrow Harry Potter’s magic wand. If they commenced today you would be lucky to have gas flowing by 2045/2050. It takes about a minimum of 5 years for planning and financing and this is if everything goes smoothly. In fact you’re looking at anywhere between 7 and 10 years before a sod is turned over.
Then comes the real question, would it be financially beneficial to an investor to build a pipeline from the Adriatic through Albania, which is very mountainous, to Kosovo? What kind of price would they have to set? I guess it would have to be much more than in Montenegro.

Until 2019 there will be another pipeline in the Balkans. Trans Adriatic Pipeline. The original route doesn`t include Serbia, but it would be easy to build a route Albania - Kosovo - Serbia, or Albania - Montenegro - Kosovo - Serbia.

Dule, trouble is that most of the funding came from western banks even according to your 'orthodox brother' Putin. If west doesn't want to fund a project to a little brother of an aggressive state, than it wont. Business in civilized world is not conducted in away your national hero Arkan did in 1990s. Serbia and Bulgaria could of course pay it for themselves, that should be hilarious to watch.

"Djerdap 3 is the key to Serbia's energy needs. This long-planned hydro-electric plant on the Danube would give Serbia energy independence."
(Michael Thomas, 12 March 2016 09:33)

Yes, sure, energy independence. Because, in Serbia, there are only electric vehicles and electric vehicles. Good to have energy experts here, and not only Chief economists.

Vyacheslav

Да всё они тут понимают, просто, они разные. И что Вучич на двух стульях сидит, тоже видят. Сербы здесь в основном правильные, но вот остальные измучили их советами. Не уходи, а то мне одному скучно и бросить не могу.

b92 - my best regards!

You count on the American gas? Let me give you the perspective . To transfer the US gas over the ocean with tankers you have to turn gas into liquid, meaning : to compress and keep it cool, the very expensive process. But to be able to do that,first you have to build on both sides of the Atlantic huge facilities, on the European side to do decompressing, turning liquid into gas. We here, in the States, can't afford to do anything with 20 trillion $ in the red. Specially if Trump is elected it's out of the question. He is going to renegotiate every globalist treaty with Europe and the rest of the world. If the old Rino McCain told you that you can count on us, us meaning US ,to be toasty in winter, he is either delusional , or he lies as he often does . It ain't gonna happen ! At least not in the next 50 years, if ever.
(Sarah, 14 March 2016 04:12)

Dear Sarah, almost everything can be done for the right price. Extracting oil and gas through shale rock fracking is an example. If somebody is willing to pay the right price, US gas producers would ship gas to the Moon, let alone to Europe. This has nothing to be with thr US debt. For you being there is the States, you appear to be clueless!

Dear Sarah, almost everything can be done for the right price. Extracting oil and gas through shale rock fracking is an example. If somebody is willing to pay the right price, US gas producers would ship gas to the Moon, let alone to Europe. This has nothing to be with thr US debt. For you being there is the States, you appear to be clueless!
(icj1, 14 March 2016 14:30)

There is something seriously wrong with our resident Albanian Idiot and I do mean seriously wrong. But it may all come down to living off social security all its life and having little to no understanding of what Sarah is talking about.
Once again the Idiot strikes by shooting itself in the foot. Dear Idiot you have to throw away that Pristina University textbook on voodoo economics.

This is actually a blessing for Serbia from Russia.

If it is smart, it can use this to great advantage.

Be smart. Play your cards right in this situation.
(factman, 11 March 2016 16:05)


The only problem, factman, Serbia is playing Go Fish while the other countries are playing Bridge.

P.S: It might sound cruel, but somehow it would be a good lesson for Serbians what is the great 'Russian friendship' like, if in 2019 citizens would have to sit in the cold. But probably they would blame NATO, EU and 'The west' even in that case :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 March 2016 15:58
===========================
Yes, EU is definitely to blame. Wasn't it them who put pressure on Bulgaria to kill the project? If it wasn't them who was it then?

Dear Sarah, almost everything can be done for the right price. Extracting oil and gas through shale rock fracking is an example. If somebody is willing to pay the right price, US gas producers would ship gas to the Moon, let alone to Europe. This has nothing to be with thr US debt. For you being there is the States, you appear to be clueless!
(icj1, 14 March 2016 14:30)

There is something seriously wrong with our resident Albanian Idiot and I do mean seriously wrong. But it may all come down to living off social security all its life and having little to no understanding of what Sarah is talking about.
Once again the Idiot strikes by shooting itself in the foot. Dear Idiot you have to throw away that Pristina University textbook on voodoo economics.
(sj, 15 March 2016 08:08)

I think you quoted the wrong post since I did not write anywhere about what is wrong or right with the person you are referring to.

But, as always, I agree with the CE of B92 forums sj that everybody alive should throw away the textbook from any university and instead educate themselves with the teachings of sj-onomics, like I have done, making great profits as a result of that :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

According to Bajatovic, the region of Southeast Europe, including Serbia, is the victim of bureaucratic and political disputes between the EU and Russia and that "some kind of gas supply will have to be established, whether it's a pipeline or liquefied gas from shale."

Not exactly, it's a victim of Russian stubbornness and Russia's will to blackmail, punish and isolate Ukraine. Otherwise, gas supply would work like it worked for the last decades.

P.S: It might sound cruel, but somehow it would be a good lesson for Serbians what is the great 'Russian friendship' like, if in 2019 citizens would have to sit in the cold. But probably they would blame NATO, EU and 'The west' even in that case :)

This is actually a blessing for Serbia from Russia.

If it is smart, it can use this to great advantage.

Be smart. Play your cards right in this situation.

According to Bajatovic, the region of Southeast Europe, including Serbia, is the victim of bureaucratic and political disputes between the EU and Russia and that "some kind of gas supply will have to be established, whether it's a pipeline or liquefied gas from shale."

Not exactly, it's a victim of Russian stubbornness and Russia's will to blackmail, punish and isolate Ukraine. Otherwise, gas supply would work like it worked for the last decades.

P.S: It might sound cruel, but somehow it would be a good lesson for Serbians what is the great 'Russian friendship' like, if in 2019 citizens would have to sit in the cold. But probably they would blame NATO, EU and 'The west' even in that case :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 March 2016 15:58

Why would Russia ,keep using Ukraine route!,After what Ukrainian's have done to Crimea Russian Population!.
Oh,I forgot ,you only jump up and down,only when Shqipire's are affected!. There is no Shqipire getting killed in Ukraine, so business should be keep usual you state!.
Don't worry about the RUSSIA Gas,worry about the Middle Eastern gas,where your Shqipire's are getting killed ,fighting with Islamic State.
Good on Russia giving Ukrainian gas which they never pay!.

svabo : What is the amount of sh*t Serbia is going to take?

DON’T BE PANIC AS WE KNOW NOTHING YET. Besides Putin will find a way out as he always did.


Comm. : Not exactly, it's a victim of Russian stubbornness and Russia's will to blackmail, punish and isolate Ukraine. Otherwise, gas supply would work like it worked for the last decades. P.S: It might sound cruel, but somehow it would be a good lesson for Serbians what is the great 'Russian friendship' like

The only truth is that the Russians are stubborn. But I would like everybody to mention the following :

1/ In Ukraine there are 3 pipelines that supply Europe all 3 designed to work for 30 years IF PROPERLY SUPPORTED. You can guess how much money the Ukrainians spent for the pipes last 25 years … Now what do you think of the pipes that are 27, 30 and 40 years old?

2/ Can’t you see that we have problems for delivering gas to the sough of Europe and every single bitch or a son of a bitch whom we make an offer blackmails us?

3/ Do you prefer to have gas from Germany or freeze next winter if the transporting system of Ukraine or the fake state itself collapse this year?

4/ morally and materially Russia is interested in the project as much as any of the Balkan states.

South Stream! South Stream!

TrrT!

Lol!

Germany will get Nord Stream 2 now while EU (greater Germany) does not allow Serbia to have South Stream, another giant damage for Serbia (without any chance of ever getting the money refunded from Germany OR the good beloved russian brothers). What is the ammount of sh*t Serbia is going to take?

Djerdap 3 is the key to Serbia's energy needs. This long-planned hydro-electric plant on the Danube would give Serbia energy independence. There are two reasons why this project has not been built: 1.) it would make Serbia energy independent, which does not accord with Western plans to make Serbia a dependent country; and 2.) if Serbia built this hydro-electric dam, then it would be owned and controlled by the Serbian nation. Since the Rothschilds want to own it, then they must sabotage the project unti they can arrange things in their favour.

Until 2019 there will be another pipeline in the Balkans. Trans Adriatic Pipeline. The original route doesn`t include Serbia, but it would be easy to build a route Albania - Kosovo - Serbia, or Albania - Montenegro - Kosovo - Serbia.

The last problem will face EU in 2019 is Gas.. There is plenty of it and consumption is stagnating..And for the 2019 new routes will be available..
Only in Serbia it seems THAT SOMEONE CAN'T SLEEP.. by the way if you want only Russian gas you can have it from North stream 1-2 or from the Belarus -poland pipe and maybe from ( if Gazprom finds the money ) the new-old Black sea project that was sign in Rome 2 week ago...
Be calm ..

"...without any chance of ever getting the money refunded from Germany OR the good beloved russian brothers".
(svabo, 11 March 2016 16:01)

What money refunded? You mean the money Serbia lost for giving away NIS(including domestic gas resources worht more than a billion $) to Gazprom for some peanuts? Vecause, of course, the South Stream deal was 'not connected' with the 'sale' of NIS which happened without a public tender.
Sorry, it's Russia that f**d Serbia with this deal, and you might have serious doubts if they ever would have build South Stream at all under the current circumstances.

Vyacheslav

Да всё они тут понимают, просто, они разные. И что Вучич на двух стульях сидит, тоже видят. Сербы здесь в основном правильные, но вот остальные измучили их советами. Не уходи, а то мне одному скучно и бросить не могу.

b92 - my best regards!

If somebody is willing to pay the right price, US gas producers would ship gas to the Moon, let alone to Europe. This has nothing to be with thr US debt. For you being there is the States, you appear to be clueless!
(icj1, 14 March 2016 14:30) #

Einstein in action, go back and read your "Economic" textbooks from Pristina University. There is no demand and supply curves that could be met to ship natural gas across the Atlantic, zero, none!

Didn't Serbia, as well as Bulgaria, bend under EU pressure to stop the work on South Stream pipeline? Eventually Russia, with no way through, killed the project all together. Who is the guilty party now? I say Bulgaria and Serbia.

You count on the American gas? Let me give you the perspective . To transfer the US gas over the ocean with tankers you have to turn gas into liquid, meaning : to compress and keep it cool, the very expensive process. But to be able to do that,first you have to build on both sides of the Atlantic huge facilities, on the European side to do decompressing, turning liquid into gas. We here, in the States, can't afford to do anything with 20 trillion $ in the red. Specially if Trump is elected it's out of the question. He is going to renegotiate every globalist treaty with Europe and the rest of the world. If the old Rino McCain told you that you can count on us, us meaning US ,to be toasty in winter, he is either delusional , or he lies as he often does . It ain't gonna happen ! At least not in the next 50 years, if ever.
(Sarah, 14 March 2016 04:12)

Dear Sarah, almost everything can be done for the right price. Extracting oil and gas through shale rock fracking is an example. If somebody is willing to pay the right price, US gas producers would ship gas to the Moon, let alone to Europe. This has nothing to be with thr US debt. For you being there is the States, you appear to be clueless!

You count on the American gas? Let me give you the perspective . To transfer the US gas over the ocean with tankers you have to turn gas into liquid, meaning : to compress and keep it cool, the very expensive process. But to be able to do that,first you have to build on both sides of the Atlantic huge facilities, on the European side to do decompressing, turning liquid into gas. We here, in the States, can't afford to do anything with 20 trillion $ in the red. Specially if Trump is elected it's out of the question. He is going to renegotiate every globalist treaty with Europe and the rest of the world. If the old Rino McCain told you that you can count on us, us meaning US ,to be toasty in winter, he is either delusional , or he lies as he often does . It ain't gonna happen ! At least not in the next 50 years, if ever.

Dule, trouble is that most of the funding came from western banks even according to your 'orthodox brother' Putin. If west doesn't want to fund a project to a little brother of an aggressive state, than it wont. Business in civilized world is not conducted in away your national hero Arkan did in 1990s. Serbia and Bulgaria could of course pay it for themselves, that should be hilarious to watch.

(Free, 12 March 2016 11:35)

The construction of a trans Adriatic pipeline by 2019 is only possible if you borrow Harry Potter’s magic wand. If they commenced today you would be lucky to have gas flowing by 2045/2050. It takes about a minimum of 5 years for planning and financing and this is if everything goes smoothly. In fact you’re looking at anywhere between 7 and 10 years before a sod is turned over.
Then comes the real question, would it be financially beneficial to an investor to build a pipeline from the Adriatic through Albania, which is very mountainous, to Kosovo? What kind of price would they have to set? I guess it would have to be much more than in Montenegro.

Serbia had all chances to become gas transport country but didn't use that unfortunately, even knowing about possible problems with supply through Ukraine. So before blaming somebody else it should also admit its own fails.

This is actually a blessing for Serbia from Russia.

If it is smart, it can use this to great advantage.

Be smart. Play your cards right in this situation.
(factman, 11 March 2016 16:05)


The only problem, factman, Serbia is playing Go Fish while the other countries are playing Bridge.

"Djerdap 3 is the key to Serbia's energy needs. This long-planned hydro-electric plant on the Danube would give Serbia energy independence."
(Michael Thomas, 12 March 2016 09:33)

Yes, sure, energy independence. Because, in Serbia, there are only electric vehicles and electric vehicles. Good to have energy experts here, and not only Chief economists.

P.S: It might sound cruel, but somehow it would be a good lesson for Serbians what is the great 'Russian friendship' like, if in 2019 citizens would have to sit in the cold. But probably they would blame NATO, EU and 'The west' even in that case :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 March 2016 15:58
===========================
Yes, EU is definitely to blame. Wasn't it them who put pressure on Bulgaria to kill the project? If it wasn't them who was it then?

Dear Sarah, almost everything can be done for the right price. Extracting oil and gas through shale rock fracking is an example. If somebody is willing to pay the right price, US gas producers would ship gas to the Moon, let alone to Europe. This has nothing to be with thr US debt. For you being there is the States, you appear to be clueless!
(icj1, 14 March 2016 14:30)

There is something seriously wrong with our resident Albanian Idiot and I do mean seriously wrong. But it may all come down to living off social security all its life and having little to no understanding of what Sarah is talking about.
Once again the Idiot strikes by shooting itself in the foot. Dear Idiot you have to throw away that Pristina University textbook on voodoo economics.

Dear Sarah, almost everything can be done for the right price. Extracting oil and gas through shale rock fracking is an example. If somebody is willing to pay the right price, US gas producers would ship gas to the Moon, let alone to Europe. This has nothing to be with thr US debt. For you being there is the States, you appear to be clueless!
(icj1, 14 March 2016 14:30)

There is something seriously wrong with our resident Albanian Idiot and I do mean seriously wrong. But it may all come down to living off social security all its life and having little to no understanding of what Sarah is talking about.
Once again the Idiot strikes by shooting itself in the foot. Dear Idiot you have to throw away that Pristina University textbook on voodoo economics.
(sj, 15 March 2016 08:08)

I think you quoted the wrong post since I did not write anywhere about what is wrong or right with the person you are referring to.

But, as always, I agree with the CE of B92 forums sj that everybody alive should throw away the textbook from any university and instead educate themselves with the teachings of sj-onomics, like I have done, making great profits as a result of that :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist