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Thursday, 03.03.2016.

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EC president "makes gaffe" as he uses term "Macedonia"

Amid a drama in the Idomeni refugee camp on the Greece-Macedonia border, the media in Macedonia are reporting on EC President Jean Claude Juncker's "gaffe."

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rote

pre 8 godina

b92

here I quit!


Macrote

1/ The Great wall was built in late 18 century after the war between two Russian states with capitols in St.Petersburg and Tobolsk. Thanks to this defeat the USA appeared because before 1775 they feared to step inside the continent wher Russian Cossacks later called Indians lived. The wall marked the border between the Chinese Horde ruled by the Russian Khans and the Romanov’s Empire that first reached Siberia. Chinese were not even allowed to the Forbidden City.

2/ Jesus wasn’t a Jew and you can see it on every icon. Judea was the region around Istanbul while Jerusalem were called many cities to show their importance. Yet most Bible events happened near Istanbul on Beikos hill and near Yoros where the Sultans took care of the grave of Saint Joshi.

3/ Histories of all European countries were composed of the history of the Great Horde in 17-19 centuries.

4/ all those kings were phantom duplicates of the Great Horde’s emperors and their local governors. Read letters of Ivan Grozny to the Swedish Gustav and the British Victoria to see that they all were colonies of the Horda/Porta while Henry the VIII was a fake reflection of Grozny himself.

5/ Ivan didn’t say that he believes me. He only said that you have no arguments to keep up the talk and so you degrade to insults. I too pity you.

rote

pre 8 godina

IvanPN

Seselj has nothing to do with the historical disputes. If people believe that compass shows at the North Polus but not at Canada you can do nothing about it. If they believe that Japan is the country of the rising sun you also can do nothing about it. Same if the people in Balkans were imposed slave mentality one cannot persuade them that before 19 century they had been the Metropolis of the Empire. If they believe that the Ottomans and the Turks were the same people you can do nothing about it. If they believe that the old Roman castle near Belgrade was Viminacium or that the remnants of a town found in Turkey in 1967 was Efes you can do nothing about it. This is my problem because people are zombied. They believe that the Pyramids are 5000 year old as the names they found here were all pharaohs who all ruled 33 years fix. Nobody cares that there are no signs if their lifetime activities. So if you tell them that Geese Valley was the imperial cemetery where mummies were brought from all over the world they will say that rote is insane. To say nothing that in the manuscripts pharaohs were marked as PHRN or ПХРН i.e. ПОХОРОН + NAME = BURRIED+ NAME. They like the version they had been told in multiple films and books without a single proof. If you ask why for 600 years in 3-9 centuries the Greeks stopped to die or print coins or write books or why on old maps only Crete Island was marked as Greece they'll call you a maniac or a Greekophobe.

rote

pre 8 godina

The C*nt

You know that I have no problems neither with the Greeks no the Serbs. What I mean is to have a better look at the history because in 21 century so many new documents and artifacts became available that most of the old dogmas became just funny. 10 years ago genome of man has been decoded and within next two years all peoples had a clear picture of who they are. Lots of fantastic facts became clear and what has changed ever since? Nothing ! Because silence has become the main tool of falsification.

Aren’t you interested to know the real history of your people? How long will you be calling yourselves birds or Byelorussians = Albanians? I am sure that your people lived in the region for centuries. There are two versions of where the capitol of Tamerlane was – either Tirana or Tiraspol. It wasn’t Samarkand where he was only killed. How long are you going to stick to the history written for you by the Jewish Oldenburgs who ruled Europe since 18 century?

In my country revision of the false history has become the main trend because the Russian history is nothing better than that of the Balkans or China or America or Europe. Chose any country and I’ll tell you what is wrong with their history as we are fed with legends that have no documental basis.

How came that Ramses II had Slavonic R1b happlogoup? How came that the loopholes of the Chinese Wall look southward? Why in the center of Moscow we still have two Horde streets? ect.ect.

The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

rote,
Now that you've managed to alienate the Russians, Greeks, Serbs and many others as well, where are you going to find asylum other than in and asylum. I'm sure Putin has put a contract out for your head. Kiss grandma and her warm bed goodbye. Perhaps, you can join ISIS as they are in need of women. You can be sure your bed will be warmed by many head amputators waiting impatiently in queue. If you are a virgin, they will be fighting over you. Invite sj and Ari Gold along, I'm sure they will be delighted.

macrote

pre 8 godina

You will be surely be an insane man..

Insane man is the one who makes such a claim that russia build the great walk of china and not the chinese.With one stroke he deletes 5000 years of history and 578 chinese emperors.
insane is the one who claims that Jesus was russian and nit a jew.
insane is the one who claims that russians,turks,albaniansand serbs are brothers.
insane is the one who claims the history of england and france was written in the 18th or 18th century.He's never heard of Henry the VIII or Loui the 16th and their predecessors which ruled those countries for hundreds of years.
insane are people like Ivan who believe rote.

IvanPN

pre 8 godina

Medicine or not, his argument was well thought out and without fracture, ie, it makes the reader believe.
I believe but am too lazy to be corrupted, that's my defence. While @macrote? You will surely be an insane man by the time whole truth has been aired, which is why you choose to laugh before you fight.

Whether @rote was correct or not, he presented his facts in a constructed manner, which is why people like him or seselj, see the light of day.

I have learned more about history in these forums than all may wasted years in Australia.

I choose to believe that Greeks are the oldest in Europe, but now I start to wonder by what other name were they called.

rote

pre 8 godina

Macrote : “People say that laughter is the best medicine.

Explain where are those 33 cities that Alexander established? What artefacts do you have to insist on the Greek version of the great conqueror? How do you imagine infantry reaching Hindukush and leaving troops to guard the supply routes? How could the Greeks occupy such big territories with population exceeding the Greeks dozens of times including Russia? How could any people compete the Russians on the battlefield?

Russian kniazes were Greek governors of the fems because before 1185 Russia was a colony of Byzantine. But things changed when in 1204 Russians finally avenged for Jesus and destroed Tsar Grad aka Rome aka Jerusalem. Most likely Byzantine appointed kniazes from the Komnin Dynasty to where Jesus belonged. To say nothing that they preferred to marry Greek princesses. Family tree of the Savior can be seen on many Greek, Russian, Serbian, Bulgarian, Georgian and Romanian icons of the the "tree of Jesse" plus it is painted on the walls of 12 churches in the mentioned states. It is David Rostovsky’s branch of the Rurik Dinasty. And the Bible says that Jesus belonged to king David's dynasty. He was born in 1152 in Fiolent, Crimea-Sevastopol now as the Komnins had title of the Sevsasts. All kings of Europe went pilgrims here for centuries even after Jerusalem in Israel was built in early 19 century and the war of 1856 was known in Europe as Eastern or the War for the Holy sepulchre and the Betlehem star.

rote

pre 8 godina

Jugoslavija : I think you have your centuries mixed up …

There’s nothing to mix up as there are no written artifacts earlier than 1000 years ago. The whole history of the mankind is based on some 80 books most of them written in 17-19 centuries while many of the really old books were eliminated or are kept in Royal family libraries and in Vatican. Then we are told BS about some Bronze Age ect. Search for the places where copper and tin ore are available to find out that those are far east of Russia, China and Brazil. Then how could people have this combined metal in the ME without any access to the ore sources?

Also everybody knows about the king Solomon's mines but no gold was found in the region and 2000 miles away from it. Then how he could be so rich I ask? Very simple if the mines were of salt that was almost as expensive as gold. And who had a monopoly for salt in Europe? It was Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent. Now if you start to compare the biographies of the two you will find much in common despite they were rewritten for so many times. Then you might ask yourself what do their names mean. And you will find that they both mean the same – Saltman. And the only language you can translate it is old Slavic or Slovensky. Those are SOLI MAN and SOLO MAN …

Same with Alexander and if you insist I can find good sources about him. No way he could be other but a Slav. As well as many men who are exposed as Mongols as Turks as Brits as Spaniards as Indians ect.

rote

pre 8 godina

macrote : "Rote we granted them our alphabet. Really? Which comic book did you read that?"

Why do you think I wrote that we granted you with the alphabet? Maybe I know something that is not advertised in Europe? Now tell me if you can pour 2 liters of water in a 1 liter bottle? Of course not but it is exactly what has happened to the alphabet and many other paradoxes we are imposed. How could 42 Russian letters be made out of 24 Greek ones? Even today we have 33 letters! To say nothing that Russlavs had not only Cyrillic but also Glagolitsa letters ! Besides Saints Cyril and Methodius mentioned that before them Slavs already had some letters and grammar. To say nothing that they both were Slavs from a Slav city of Soloniki.

When 15 years ago the most famous killer Alexander Salonik was killed in this city did you ask yourself why was he hiding here and why his second name sounded so similar? Did you think that he came to the place his ancestors were from? Did you think that Salonik/Solonik means SALTMAN in Russian? Of course not because you believe that in this Slavic city only Greeks lived. You’re blind when it comes to the Greek history written first as a basis of the fake Roman empire on the Apennines and then in early 19 century by the Oldenburgs – the masters of the continent. If you are serious I'll tell you what comic books I read. Start with Mauro Orbini !

http://www.razumei.ru/files/others/pdf/Mavro_Orbini_Slavyanskoe_tsarstvo.pdf

Kosta the Great

pre 8 godina

look at you Greeklings, need clarification that you're the sole inhabitants of Macedonians when one look at you (never mind your J2 haplotype Turkish DNA) you have a bunch of all sorts. Your country was full of Arvanites (Albanians) in the 18th century before a Austrian King named Otto waved his magic wand & called you Greeks. You somehow today even have Turkish surnames. Slavs or no Slavs, the fact remains that everybody has assimilated in 3000 years except for Greeks. Youre so pure that your x PM Kostas Karamanlis's grandmother is Turkish!!

How about your failed statelet relying on EU taxpayers to feed you worry about those millions of Middle Eastern economic migrants camping out in Athens square. You could try & control your waters better instead of boasting how great you has beens were..........3000 years ago!

macrote

pre 8 godina

Rote
we granted them our alphabet.

Really? Which comic book did you read that? The world is aware of ancient greek literature but when it comes to russia it draws blank.Why? Because you weren't arround.Could you also stop saying that russians,albanians,serbsand turks are slavs?They are not.Do you think that they all look the same?Certainly not.Ethnicity and its continuity is not proved the way rote says.
Get yourself a job.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Alexander could be only a Slav and most likely it was one of the names of Suleiman the Great. I feel very uncomfortable when our two close peoples fight about the name. Definitely Macedonians were Slavs.
(rote, 3 March 2016 14:19)

I think you have your centuries mixed up, you must be thinking of Alexander Ypsilanti! Alexander the Great and Philip of Macedon are Greek and Hellenic based on historical and archeological evidence. You can see plenty of evidence at Philip of Macedon tomb near Thessaloniki, Greece where there are Greek encryptions not Slavic in all of the artifacts and relics that are on display. Or are you going to tell me that Cyril and Methodosius did not introduce the Slavonic language to the Slavs??!!

Or maybe you can explain the many cities in Russia and Ukraine that have Greek names, Odessa, Sevastopolis, Mariupolis,Simferopolis, Nikopolis etc etc, the names remain from Alexander the Great, Greek and Macedon Emperor!

rote

pre 8 godina

Macrote : When the greeks were ... russians were...

There were two parallel civilizations the Slavonic and the Roman where the Greeks played a big role of the top religious caste. Besides before 1185 Russian Slavs were femmes aka colonies of the Byzantine. Christianity appeared long before Jesus was born in 1152 and most often it was called THE GREEK BELIEF. Word Greek (as well as later word Russian) had two meanings one concerning the religion of a man and the other concerning his ethnical group. As a nation the Greeks were formed first only in 19 century when they obtained their first statehood. Like most of the Europeans Russians as a nation were formed in 18-19 century. Most likely the Greeks dominated in the First aka Ancient Rome in Alexandria Egypt and in the Second Rome on Bosporus where the Romeos moved in moved in 11-12 century. After the fall of the Second Rome (aka Jerusalem aka Tsar Grad aka Troy aka Constantinople aka Stan Bulgar aka Istanbul) in 1204 and then in 1267 the city and the surrounding Natol lands for centuries were ruled by the Slavs later known as Mongol-Tatars and the Ottomans. Yet the Greeks remained a privileged caste of the world empire of at least 38 000 000 km2. The ruling Ruricovici Dynasty often married the Greeks and the Church was always topped by the Greeks.Slavs and the Greeks enriched one another culturally. We granted them our alphabet and our "Arab" figures while they granted us plenty of other good things.

rote

pre 8 godina

Mark : Jesus Christ was also Slav. Christov was his real name.

Mark you’re right and at least Mother Mary was Slav from Crimea, Fiorent, Sevastopol aka Bethlehem and this is why throughout the history Russia was called THE HOUSE OF THE VIRGIN = ДОМ БОГОРОДИЦЫ. Jesus aka Andronicus I Komnin was born and this is why the place was called Sevastopol. Sevasts was the title of Komnins - the ruling dynasty of the Byzantine and Andronicus I belonged to them. They say it was a Greek dynasty unlike the Armenian Angels who killed Jesus/Andronicus. And it is their two headed family symbol Russia and Serbia and Albania have on their flags today. During the Slavic colonization of Europe in 1318-1584 this symbol had many provinces of the Great Porta aka Great Horda but during Reformation Period western heads of the eagle were cut off. Jesus spoke Slavonic as he spent most of his life in Russia. In Russia Jesus was known as Andrew the Apostle and Andrey Bogoliubsky You can read Nikita Honiat about it. Honiat complains that Andronicus spoke Scythian and had their Barbarian manners. Of course Jesus wasn’t a poor prophet but belonged to the ruling emperor dynasty. He ruled the Byzantine for 3 years and I can tell about why Manuil II Angel called the Satan made a plot and killed him. Mother Mary belonged to another emperor dynasty known as Paleologs and it was a Russian Dynasty. Thus Jesus had Greek father of the Komnins and a Slav mother of the Paleologs.

Mark

pre 8 godina

There was no ancient Greece and Alexander od Macedon was Slav who in the 16 century controlled at least 70% of Russia including Siberia and the Far East.
(rote, 3 March 2016 14:19)

Jesus Christ was also Slav. Christov was his real name.

macrote

pre 8 godina

Rote

When the greeks were giving the world their civilization 5000 years ago the russians were still going through Darwin's selection process.

rote

pre 8 godina

McGreek : Macedonia is Greek, always has been and always will be.

How do you know that when even the word Mace-Don (like Poseidon , Soloniki aka Thessaloniki ect.) is Russian? I had to spoil relations with Leonidas here about this all. To be short nothing in the history of Greece before 19 century is true. Not just Alexander who controlled Russia and China in the middle ages. Best if you leave me alone and live in your imaginary world by the Oldenburgs. Best for you. And for me because I love the Greeks.

rote

pre 8 godina

There was no ancient Greece and Alexander od Macedon was Slav who in the 16 century controlled at least 70% of Russia including Siberia and the Far East. There are written sources where Russian Cossacks tell about his orders in Western Siberia. Alexander could be only a Slav and most likely it was one of the names of Suleiman the Great. I also saw a version that he was Tamerlane. At least their empires were in the same regions while Iskander ul Ahad i.e. Alexander the Great was one of the 9 names of Tamerlane. But in no way the Greeks and the Mongols could seize such territories. In the past only the Slavs were strong enough to do it. Greeks are a very close people for us but they have nothing to do with the history they were granted in the 19 century. They composed the top caste of the Christians in the great medieval Slav empire but after the fall of the Byzantine they have never any country on Earth even Greece itself. S I feel very uncomfortable when our two close peoples fight about the name. Definitely Macedonians were Slavs.

ned taylor

pre 8 godina

The world in 2016: Who cares about all the refugees, what about Juncker saying "Macedonia"?? It reminds me of The Life of Brian when saying Jehovah got one stoned.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Alexander could be only a Slav and most likely it was one of the names of Suleiman the Great. I feel very uncomfortable when our two close peoples fight about the name. Definitely Macedonians were Slavs.
(rote, 3 March 2016 14:19)

I think you have your centuries mixed up, you must be thinking of Alexander Ypsilanti! Alexander the Great and Philip of Macedon are Greek and Hellenic based on historical and archeological evidence. You can see plenty of evidence at Philip of Macedon tomb near Thessaloniki, Greece where there are Greek encryptions not Slavic in all of the artifacts and relics that are on display. Or are you going to tell me that Cyril and Methodosius did not introduce the Slavonic language to the Slavs??!!

Or maybe you can explain the many cities in Russia and Ukraine that have Greek names, Odessa, Sevastopolis, Mariupolis,Simferopolis, Nikopolis etc etc, the names remain from Alexander the Great, Greek and Macedon Emperor!

ned taylor

pre 8 godina

The world in 2016: Who cares about all the refugees, what about Juncker saying "Macedonia"?? It reminds me of The Life of Brian when saying Jehovah got one stoned.

rote

pre 8 godina

There was no ancient Greece and Alexander od Macedon was Slav who in the 16 century controlled at least 70% of Russia including Siberia and the Far East. There are written sources where Russian Cossacks tell about his orders in Western Siberia. Alexander could be only a Slav and most likely it was one of the names of Suleiman the Great. I also saw a version that he was Tamerlane. At least their empires were in the same regions while Iskander ul Ahad i.e. Alexander the Great was one of the 9 names of Tamerlane. But in no way the Greeks and the Mongols could seize such territories. In the past only the Slavs were strong enough to do it. Greeks are a very close people for us but they have nothing to do with the history they were granted in the 19 century. They composed the top caste of the Christians in the great medieval Slav empire but after the fall of the Byzantine they have never any country on Earth even Greece itself. S I feel very uncomfortable when our two close peoples fight about the name. Definitely Macedonians were Slavs.

macrote

pre 8 godina

Rote

When the greeks were giving the world their civilization 5000 years ago the russians were still going through Darwin's selection process.

Mark

pre 8 godina

There was no ancient Greece and Alexander od Macedon was Slav who in the 16 century controlled at least 70% of Russia including Siberia and the Far East.
(rote, 3 March 2016 14:19)

Jesus Christ was also Slav. Christov was his real name.

rote

pre 8 godina

McGreek : Macedonia is Greek, always has been and always will be.

How do you know that when even the word Mace-Don (like Poseidon , Soloniki aka Thessaloniki ect.) is Russian? I had to spoil relations with Leonidas here about this all. To be short nothing in the history of Greece before 19 century is true. Not just Alexander who controlled Russia and China in the middle ages. Best if you leave me alone and live in your imaginary world by the Oldenburgs. Best for you. And for me because I love the Greeks.

macrote

pre 8 godina

Rote
we granted them our alphabet.

Really? Which comic book did you read that? The world is aware of ancient greek literature but when it comes to russia it draws blank.Why? Because you weren't arround.Could you also stop saying that russians,albanians,serbsand turks are slavs?They are not.Do you think that they all look the same?Certainly not.Ethnicity and its continuity is not proved the way rote says.
Get yourself a job.

macrote

pre 8 godina

You will be surely be an insane man..

Insane man is the one who makes such a claim that russia build the great walk of china and not the chinese.With one stroke he deletes 5000 years of history and 578 chinese emperors.
insane is the one who claims that Jesus was russian and nit a jew.
insane is the one who claims that russians,turks,albaniansand serbs are brothers.
insane is the one who claims the history of england and france was written in the 18th or 18th century.He's never heard of Henry the VIII or Loui the 16th and their predecessors which ruled those countries for hundreds of years.
insane are people like Ivan who believe rote.

rote

pre 8 godina

Macrote : When the greeks were ... russians were...

There were two parallel civilizations the Slavonic and the Roman where the Greeks played a big role of the top religious caste. Besides before 1185 Russian Slavs were femmes aka colonies of the Byzantine. Christianity appeared long before Jesus was born in 1152 and most often it was called THE GREEK BELIEF. Word Greek (as well as later word Russian) had two meanings one concerning the religion of a man and the other concerning his ethnical group. As a nation the Greeks were formed first only in 19 century when they obtained their first statehood. Like most of the Europeans Russians as a nation were formed in 18-19 century. Most likely the Greeks dominated in the First aka Ancient Rome in Alexandria Egypt and in the Second Rome on Bosporus where the Romeos moved in moved in 11-12 century. After the fall of the Second Rome (aka Jerusalem aka Tsar Grad aka Troy aka Constantinople aka Stan Bulgar aka Istanbul) in 1204 and then in 1267 the city and the surrounding Natol lands for centuries were ruled by the Slavs later known as Mongol-Tatars and the Ottomans. Yet the Greeks remained a privileged caste of the world empire of at least 38 000 000 km2. The ruling Ruricovici Dynasty often married the Greeks and the Church was always topped by the Greeks.Slavs and the Greeks enriched one another culturally. We granted them our alphabet and our "Arab" figures while they granted us plenty of other good things.

The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

rote,
Now that you've managed to alienate the Russians, Greeks, Serbs and many others as well, where are you going to find asylum other than in and asylum. I'm sure Putin has put a contract out for your head. Kiss grandma and her warm bed goodbye. Perhaps, you can join ISIS as they are in need of women. You can be sure your bed will be warmed by many head amputators waiting impatiently in queue. If you are a virgin, they will be fighting over you. Invite sj and Ari Gold along, I'm sure they will be delighted.

rote

pre 8 godina

Mark : Jesus Christ was also Slav. Christov was his real name.

Mark you’re right and at least Mother Mary was Slav from Crimea, Fiorent, Sevastopol aka Bethlehem and this is why throughout the history Russia was called THE HOUSE OF THE VIRGIN = ДОМ БОГОРОДИЦЫ. Jesus aka Andronicus I Komnin was born and this is why the place was called Sevastopol. Sevasts was the title of Komnins - the ruling dynasty of the Byzantine and Andronicus I belonged to them. They say it was a Greek dynasty unlike the Armenian Angels who killed Jesus/Andronicus. And it is their two headed family symbol Russia and Serbia and Albania have on their flags today. During the Slavic colonization of Europe in 1318-1584 this symbol had many provinces of the Great Porta aka Great Horda but during Reformation Period western heads of the eagle were cut off. Jesus spoke Slavonic as he spent most of his life in Russia. In Russia Jesus was known as Andrew the Apostle and Andrey Bogoliubsky You can read Nikita Honiat about it. Honiat complains that Andronicus spoke Scythian and had their Barbarian manners. Of course Jesus wasn’t a poor prophet but belonged to the ruling emperor dynasty. He ruled the Byzantine for 3 years and I can tell about why Manuil II Angel called the Satan made a plot and killed him. Mother Mary belonged to another emperor dynasty known as Paleologs and it was a Russian Dynasty. Thus Jesus had Greek father of the Komnins and a Slav mother of the Paleologs.

Kosta the Great

pre 8 godina

look at you Greeklings, need clarification that you're the sole inhabitants of Macedonians when one look at you (never mind your J2 haplotype Turkish DNA) you have a bunch of all sorts. Your country was full of Arvanites (Albanians) in the 18th century before a Austrian King named Otto waved his magic wand & called you Greeks. You somehow today even have Turkish surnames. Slavs or no Slavs, the fact remains that everybody has assimilated in 3000 years except for Greeks. Youre so pure that your x PM Kostas Karamanlis's grandmother is Turkish!!

How about your failed statelet relying on EU taxpayers to feed you worry about those millions of Middle Eastern economic migrants camping out in Athens square. You could try & control your waters better instead of boasting how great you has beens were..........3000 years ago!

rote

pre 8 godina

macrote : "Rote we granted them our alphabet. Really? Which comic book did you read that?"

Why do you think I wrote that we granted you with the alphabet? Maybe I know something that is not advertised in Europe? Now tell me if you can pour 2 liters of water in a 1 liter bottle? Of course not but it is exactly what has happened to the alphabet and many other paradoxes we are imposed. How could 42 Russian letters be made out of 24 Greek ones? Even today we have 33 letters! To say nothing that Russlavs had not only Cyrillic but also Glagolitsa letters ! Besides Saints Cyril and Methodius mentioned that before them Slavs already had some letters and grammar. To say nothing that they both were Slavs from a Slav city of Soloniki.

When 15 years ago the most famous killer Alexander Salonik was killed in this city did you ask yourself why was he hiding here and why his second name sounded so similar? Did you think that he came to the place his ancestors were from? Did you think that Salonik/Solonik means SALTMAN in Russian? Of course not because you believe that in this Slavic city only Greeks lived. You’re blind when it comes to the Greek history written first as a basis of the fake Roman empire on the Apennines and then in early 19 century by the Oldenburgs – the masters of the continent. If you are serious I'll tell you what comic books I read. Start with Mauro Orbini !

http://www.razumei.ru/files/others/pdf/Mavro_Orbini_Slavyanskoe_tsarstvo.pdf

rote

pre 8 godina

Jugoslavija : I think you have your centuries mixed up …

There’s nothing to mix up as there are no written artifacts earlier than 1000 years ago. The whole history of the mankind is based on some 80 books most of them written in 17-19 centuries while many of the really old books were eliminated or are kept in Royal family libraries and in Vatican. Then we are told BS about some Bronze Age ect. Search for the places where copper and tin ore are available to find out that those are far east of Russia, China and Brazil. Then how could people have this combined metal in the ME without any access to the ore sources?

Also everybody knows about the king Solomon's mines but no gold was found in the region and 2000 miles away from it. Then how he could be so rich I ask? Very simple if the mines were of salt that was almost as expensive as gold. And who had a monopoly for salt in Europe? It was Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent. Now if you start to compare the biographies of the two you will find much in common despite they were rewritten for so many times. Then you might ask yourself what do their names mean. And you will find that they both mean the same – Saltman. And the only language you can translate it is old Slavic or Slovensky. Those are SOLI MAN and SOLO MAN …

Same with Alexander and if you insist I can find good sources about him. No way he could be other but a Slav. As well as many men who are exposed as Mongols as Turks as Brits as Spaniards as Indians ect.

IvanPN

pre 8 godina

Medicine or not, his argument was well thought out and without fracture, ie, it makes the reader believe.
I believe but am too lazy to be corrupted, that's my defence. While @macrote? You will surely be an insane man by the time whole truth has been aired, which is why you choose to laugh before you fight.

Whether @rote was correct or not, he presented his facts in a constructed manner, which is why people like him or seselj, see the light of day.

I have learned more about history in these forums than all may wasted years in Australia.

I choose to believe that Greeks are the oldest in Europe, but now I start to wonder by what other name were they called.

rote

pre 8 godina

Macrote : “People say that laughter is the best medicine.

Explain where are those 33 cities that Alexander established? What artefacts do you have to insist on the Greek version of the great conqueror? How do you imagine infantry reaching Hindukush and leaving troops to guard the supply routes? How could the Greeks occupy such big territories with population exceeding the Greeks dozens of times including Russia? How could any people compete the Russians on the battlefield?

Russian kniazes were Greek governors of the fems because before 1185 Russia was a colony of Byzantine. But things changed when in 1204 Russians finally avenged for Jesus and destroed Tsar Grad aka Rome aka Jerusalem. Most likely Byzantine appointed kniazes from the Komnin Dynasty to where Jesus belonged. To say nothing that they preferred to marry Greek princesses. Family tree of the Savior can be seen on many Greek, Russian, Serbian, Bulgarian, Georgian and Romanian icons of the the "tree of Jesse" plus it is painted on the walls of 12 churches in the mentioned states. It is David Rostovsky’s branch of the Rurik Dinasty. And the Bible says that Jesus belonged to king David's dynasty. He was born in 1152 in Fiolent, Crimea-Sevastopol now as the Komnins had title of the Sevsasts. All kings of Europe went pilgrims here for centuries even after Jerusalem in Israel was built in early 19 century and the war of 1856 was known in Europe as Eastern or the War for the Holy sepulchre and the Betlehem star.

rote

pre 8 godina

The C*nt

You know that I have no problems neither with the Greeks no the Serbs. What I mean is to have a better look at the history because in 21 century so many new documents and artifacts became available that most of the old dogmas became just funny. 10 years ago genome of man has been decoded and within next two years all peoples had a clear picture of who they are. Lots of fantastic facts became clear and what has changed ever since? Nothing ! Because silence has become the main tool of falsification.

Aren’t you interested to know the real history of your people? How long will you be calling yourselves birds or Byelorussians = Albanians? I am sure that your people lived in the region for centuries. There are two versions of where the capitol of Tamerlane was – either Tirana or Tiraspol. It wasn’t Samarkand where he was only killed. How long are you going to stick to the history written for you by the Jewish Oldenburgs who ruled Europe since 18 century?

In my country revision of the false history has become the main trend because the Russian history is nothing better than that of the Balkans or China or America or Europe. Chose any country and I’ll tell you what is wrong with their history as we are fed with legends that have no documental basis.

How came that Ramses II had Slavonic R1b happlogoup? How came that the loopholes of the Chinese Wall look southward? Why in the center of Moscow we still have two Horde streets? ect.ect.

rote

pre 8 godina

IvanPN

Seselj has nothing to do with the historical disputes. If people believe that compass shows at the North Polus but not at Canada you can do nothing about it. If they believe that Japan is the country of the rising sun you also can do nothing about it. Same if the people in Balkans were imposed slave mentality one cannot persuade them that before 19 century they had been the Metropolis of the Empire. If they believe that the Ottomans and the Turks were the same people you can do nothing about it. If they believe that the old Roman castle near Belgrade was Viminacium or that the remnants of a town found in Turkey in 1967 was Efes you can do nothing about it. This is my problem because people are zombied. They believe that the Pyramids are 5000 year old as the names they found here were all pharaohs who all ruled 33 years fix. Nobody cares that there are no signs if their lifetime activities. So if you tell them that Geese Valley was the imperial cemetery where mummies were brought from all over the world they will say that rote is insane. To say nothing that in the manuscripts pharaohs were marked as PHRN or ПХРН i.e. ПОХОРОН + NAME = BURRIED+ NAME. They like the version they had been told in multiple films and books without a single proof. If you ask why for 600 years in 3-9 centuries the Greeks stopped to die or print coins or write books or why on old maps only Crete Island was marked as Greece they'll call you a maniac or a Greekophobe.

rote

pre 8 godina

b92

here I quit!


Macrote

1/ The Great wall was built in late 18 century after the war between two Russian states with capitols in St.Petersburg and Tobolsk. Thanks to this defeat the USA appeared because before 1775 they feared to step inside the continent wher Russian Cossacks later called Indians lived. The wall marked the border between the Chinese Horde ruled by the Russian Khans and the Romanov’s Empire that first reached Siberia. Chinese were not even allowed to the Forbidden City.

2/ Jesus wasn’t a Jew and you can see it on every icon. Judea was the region around Istanbul while Jerusalem were called many cities to show their importance. Yet most Bible events happened near Istanbul on Beikos hill and near Yoros where the Sultans took care of the grave of Saint Joshi.

3/ Histories of all European countries were composed of the history of the Great Horde in 17-19 centuries.

4/ all those kings were phantom duplicates of the Great Horde’s emperors and their local governors. Read letters of Ivan Grozny to the Swedish Gustav and the British Victoria to see that they all were colonies of the Horda/Porta while Henry the VIII was a fake reflection of Grozny himself.

5/ Ivan didn’t say that he believes me. He only said that you have no arguments to keep up the talk and so you degrade to insults. I too pity you.

rote

pre 8 godina

There was no ancient Greece and Alexander od Macedon was Slav who in the 16 century controlled at least 70% of Russia including Siberia and the Far East. There are written sources where Russian Cossacks tell about his orders in Western Siberia. Alexander could be only a Slav and most likely it was one of the names of Suleiman the Great. I also saw a version that he was Tamerlane. At least their empires were in the same regions while Iskander ul Ahad i.e. Alexander the Great was one of the 9 names of Tamerlane. But in no way the Greeks and the Mongols could seize such territories. In the past only the Slavs were strong enough to do it. Greeks are a very close people for us but they have nothing to do with the history they were granted in the 19 century. They composed the top caste of the Christians in the great medieval Slav empire but after the fall of the Byzantine they have never any country on Earth even Greece itself. S I feel very uncomfortable when our two close peoples fight about the name. Definitely Macedonians were Slavs.

rote

pre 8 godina

McGreek : Macedonia is Greek, always has been and always will be.

How do you know that when even the word Mace-Don (like Poseidon , Soloniki aka Thessaloniki ect.) is Russian? I had to spoil relations with Leonidas here about this all. To be short nothing in the history of Greece before 19 century is true. Not just Alexander who controlled Russia and China in the middle ages. Best if you leave me alone and live in your imaginary world by the Oldenburgs. Best for you. And for me because I love the Greeks.

rote

pre 8 godina

Mark : Jesus Christ was also Slav. Christov was his real name.

Mark you’re right and at least Mother Mary was Slav from Crimea, Fiorent, Sevastopol aka Bethlehem and this is why throughout the history Russia was called THE HOUSE OF THE VIRGIN = ДОМ БОГОРОДИЦЫ. Jesus aka Andronicus I Komnin was born and this is why the place was called Sevastopol. Sevasts was the title of Komnins - the ruling dynasty of the Byzantine and Andronicus I belonged to them. They say it was a Greek dynasty unlike the Armenian Angels who killed Jesus/Andronicus. And it is their two headed family symbol Russia and Serbia and Albania have on their flags today. During the Slavic colonization of Europe in 1318-1584 this symbol had many provinces of the Great Porta aka Great Horda but during Reformation Period western heads of the eagle were cut off. Jesus spoke Slavonic as he spent most of his life in Russia. In Russia Jesus was known as Andrew the Apostle and Andrey Bogoliubsky You can read Nikita Honiat about it. Honiat complains that Andronicus spoke Scythian and had their Barbarian manners. Of course Jesus wasn’t a poor prophet but belonged to the ruling emperor dynasty. He ruled the Byzantine for 3 years and I can tell about why Manuil II Angel called the Satan made a plot and killed him. Mother Mary belonged to another emperor dynasty known as Paleologs and it was a Russian Dynasty. Thus Jesus had Greek father of the Komnins and a Slav mother of the Paleologs.

rote

pre 8 godina

Macrote : When the greeks were ... russians were...

There were two parallel civilizations the Slavonic and the Roman where the Greeks played a big role of the top religious caste. Besides before 1185 Russian Slavs were femmes aka colonies of the Byzantine. Christianity appeared long before Jesus was born in 1152 and most often it was called THE GREEK BELIEF. Word Greek (as well as later word Russian) had two meanings one concerning the religion of a man and the other concerning his ethnical group. As a nation the Greeks were formed first only in 19 century when they obtained their first statehood. Like most of the Europeans Russians as a nation were formed in 18-19 century. Most likely the Greeks dominated in the First aka Ancient Rome in Alexandria Egypt and in the Second Rome on Bosporus where the Romeos moved in moved in 11-12 century. After the fall of the Second Rome (aka Jerusalem aka Tsar Grad aka Troy aka Constantinople aka Stan Bulgar aka Istanbul) in 1204 and then in 1267 the city and the surrounding Natol lands for centuries were ruled by the Slavs later known as Mongol-Tatars and the Ottomans. Yet the Greeks remained a privileged caste of the world empire of at least 38 000 000 km2. The ruling Ruricovici Dynasty often married the Greeks and the Church was always topped by the Greeks.Slavs and the Greeks enriched one another culturally. We granted them our alphabet and our "Arab" figures while they granted us plenty of other good things.

rote

pre 8 godina

Jugoslavija : I think you have your centuries mixed up …

There’s nothing to mix up as there are no written artifacts earlier than 1000 years ago. The whole history of the mankind is based on some 80 books most of them written in 17-19 centuries while many of the really old books were eliminated or are kept in Royal family libraries and in Vatican. Then we are told BS about some Bronze Age ect. Search for the places where copper and tin ore are available to find out that those are far east of Russia, China and Brazil. Then how could people have this combined metal in the ME without any access to the ore sources?

Also everybody knows about the king Solomon's mines but no gold was found in the region and 2000 miles away from it. Then how he could be so rich I ask? Very simple if the mines were of salt that was almost as expensive as gold. And who had a monopoly for salt in Europe? It was Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent. Now if you start to compare the biographies of the two you will find much in common despite they were rewritten for so many times. Then you might ask yourself what do their names mean. And you will find that they both mean the same – Saltman. And the only language you can translate it is old Slavic or Slovensky. Those are SOLI MAN and SOLO MAN …

Same with Alexander and if you insist I can find good sources about him. No way he could be other but a Slav. As well as many men who are exposed as Mongols as Turks as Brits as Spaniards as Indians ect.

macrote

pre 8 godina

Rote

When the greeks were giving the world their civilization 5000 years ago the russians were still going through Darwin's selection process.

Kosta the Great

pre 8 godina

look at you Greeklings, need clarification that you're the sole inhabitants of Macedonians when one look at you (never mind your J2 haplotype Turkish DNA) you have a bunch of all sorts. Your country was full of Arvanites (Albanians) in the 18th century before a Austrian King named Otto waved his magic wand & called you Greeks. You somehow today even have Turkish surnames. Slavs or no Slavs, the fact remains that everybody has assimilated in 3000 years except for Greeks. Youre so pure that your x PM Kostas Karamanlis's grandmother is Turkish!!

How about your failed statelet relying on EU taxpayers to feed you worry about those millions of Middle Eastern economic migrants camping out in Athens square. You could try & control your waters better instead of boasting how great you has beens were..........3000 years ago!

rote

pre 8 godina

macrote : "Rote we granted them our alphabet. Really? Which comic book did you read that?"

Why do you think I wrote that we granted you with the alphabet? Maybe I know something that is not advertised in Europe? Now tell me if you can pour 2 liters of water in a 1 liter bottle? Of course not but it is exactly what has happened to the alphabet and many other paradoxes we are imposed. How could 42 Russian letters be made out of 24 Greek ones? Even today we have 33 letters! To say nothing that Russlavs had not only Cyrillic but also Glagolitsa letters ! Besides Saints Cyril and Methodius mentioned that before them Slavs already had some letters and grammar. To say nothing that they both were Slavs from a Slav city of Soloniki.

When 15 years ago the most famous killer Alexander Salonik was killed in this city did you ask yourself why was he hiding here and why his second name sounded so similar? Did you think that he came to the place his ancestors were from? Did you think that Salonik/Solonik means SALTMAN in Russian? Of course not because you believe that in this Slavic city only Greeks lived. You’re blind when it comes to the Greek history written first as a basis of the fake Roman empire on the Apennines and then in early 19 century by the Oldenburgs – the masters of the continent. If you are serious I'll tell you what comic books I read. Start with Mauro Orbini !

http://www.razumei.ru/files/others/pdf/Mavro_Orbini_Slavyanskoe_tsarstvo.pdf

rote

pre 8 godina

Macrote : “People say that laughter is the best medicine.

Explain where are those 33 cities that Alexander established? What artefacts do you have to insist on the Greek version of the great conqueror? How do you imagine infantry reaching Hindukush and leaving troops to guard the supply routes? How could the Greeks occupy such big territories with population exceeding the Greeks dozens of times including Russia? How could any people compete the Russians on the battlefield?

Russian kniazes were Greek governors of the fems because before 1185 Russia was a colony of Byzantine. But things changed when in 1204 Russians finally avenged for Jesus and destroed Tsar Grad aka Rome aka Jerusalem. Most likely Byzantine appointed kniazes from the Komnin Dynasty to where Jesus belonged. To say nothing that they preferred to marry Greek princesses. Family tree of the Savior can be seen on many Greek, Russian, Serbian, Bulgarian, Georgian and Romanian icons of the the "tree of Jesse" plus it is painted on the walls of 12 churches in the mentioned states. It is David Rostovsky’s branch of the Rurik Dinasty. And the Bible says that Jesus belonged to king David's dynasty. He was born in 1152 in Fiolent, Crimea-Sevastopol now as the Komnins had title of the Sevsasts. All kings of Europe went pilgrims here for centuries even after Jerusalem in Israel was built in early 19 century and the war of 1856 was known in Europe as Eastern or the War for the Holy sepulchre and the Betlehem star.

IvanPN

pre 8 godina

Medicine or not, his argument was well thought out and without fracture, ie, it makes the reader believe.
I believe but am too lazy to be corrupted, that's my defence. While @macrote? You will surely be an insane man by the time whole truth has been aired, which is why you choose to laugh before you fight.

Whether @rote was correct or not, he presented his facts in a constructed manner, which is why people like him or seselj, see the light of day.

I have learned more about history in these forums than all may wasted years in Australia.

I choose to believe that Greeks are the oldest in Europe, but now I start to wonder by what other name were they called.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Alexander could be only a Slav and most likely it was one of the names of Suleiman the Great. I feel very uncomfortable when our two close peoples fight about the name. Definitely Macedonians were Slavs.
(rote, 3 March 2016 14:19)

I think you have your centuries mixed up, you must be thinking of Alexander Ypsilanti! Alexander the Great and Philip of Macedon are Greek and Hellenic based on historical and archeological evidence. You can see plenty of evidence at Philip of Macedon tomb near Thessaloniki, Greece where there are Greek encryptions not Slavic in all of the artifacts and relics that are on display. Or are you going to tell me that Cyril and Methodosius did not introduce the Slavonic language to the Slavs??!!

Or maybe you can explain the many cities in Russia and Ukraine that have Greek names, Odessa, Sevastopolis, Mariupolis,Simferopolis, Nikopolis etc etc, the names remain from Alexander the Great, Greek and Macedon Emperor!

rote

pre 8 godina

The C*nt

You know that I have no problems neither with the Greeks no the Serbs. What I mean is to have a better look at the history because in 21 century so many new documents and artifacts became available that most of the old dogmas became just funny. 10 years ago genome of man has been decoded and within next two years all peoples had a clear picture of who they are. Lots of fantastic facts became clear and what has changed ever since? Nothing ! Because silence has become the main tool of falsification.

Aren’t you interested to know the real history of your people? How long will you be calling yourselves birds or Byelorussians = Albanians? I am sure that your people lived in the region for centuries. There are two versions of where the capitol of Tamerlane was – either Tirana or Tiraspol. It wasn’t Samarkand where he was only killed. How long are you going to stick to the history written for you by the Jewish Oldenburgs who ruled Europe since 18 century?

In my country revision of the false history has become the main trend because the Russian history is nothing better than that of the Balkans or China or America or Europe. Chose any country and I’ll tell you what is wrong with their history as we are fed with legends that have no documental basis.

How came that Ramses II had Slavonic R1b happlogoup? How came that the loopholes of the Chinese Wall look southward? Why in the center of Moscow we still have two Horde streets? ect.ect.

rote

pre 8 godina

b92

here I quit!


Macrote

1/ The Great wall was built in late 18 century after the war between two Russian states with capitols in St.Petersburg and Tobolsk. Thanks to this defeat the USA appeared because before 1775 they feared to step inside the continent wher Russian Cossacks later called Indians lived. The wall marked the border between the Chinese Horde ruled by the Russian Khans and the Romanov’s Empire that first reached Siberia. Chinese were not even allowed to the Forbidden City.

2/ Jesus wasn’t a Jew and you can see it on every icon. Judea was the region around Istanbul while Jerusalem were called many cities to show their importance. Yet most Bible events happened near Istanbul on Beikos hill and near Yoros where the Sultans took care of the grave of Saint Joshi.

3/ Histories of all European countries were composed of the history of the Great Horde in 17-19 centuries.

4/ all those kings were phantom duplicates of the Great Horde’s emperors and their local governors. Read letters of Ivan Grozny to the Swedish Gustav and the British Victoria to see that they all were colonies of the Horda/Porta while Henry the VIII was a fake reflection of Grozny himself.

5/ Ivan didn’t say that he believes me. He only said that you have no arguments to keep up the talk and so you degrade to insults. I too pity you.

ned taylor

pre 8 godina

The world in 2016: Who cares about all the refugees, what about Juncker saying "Macedonia"?? It reminds me of The Life of Brian when saying Jehovah got one stoned.

Mark

pre 8 godina

There was no ancient Greece and Alexander od Macedon was Slav who in the 16 century controlled at least 70% of Russia including Siberia and the Far East.
(rote, 3 March 2016 14:19)

Jesus Christ was also Slav. Christov was his real name.

macrote

pre 8 godina

Rote
we granted them our alphabet.

Really? Which comic book did you read that? The world is aware of ancient greek literature but when it comes to russia it draws blank.Why? Because you weren't arround.Could you also stop saying that russians,albanians,serbsand turks are slavs?They are not.Do you think that they all look the same?Certainly not.Ethnicity and its continuity is not proved the way rote says.
Get yourself a job.

The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

rote,
Now that you've managed to alienate the Russians, Greeks, Serbs and many others as well, where are you going to find asylum other than in and asylum. I'm sure Putin has put a contract out for your head. Kiss grandma and her warm bed goodbye. Perhaps, you can join ISIS as they are in need of women. You can be sure your bed will be warmed by many head amputators waiting impatiently in queue. If you are a virgin, they will be fighting over you. Invite sj and Ari Gold along, I'm sure they will be delighted.

rote

pre 8 godina

IvanPN

Seselj has nothing to do with the historical disputes. If people believe that compass shows at the North Polus but not at Canada you can do nothing about it. If they believe that Japan is the country of the rising sun you also can do nothing about it. Same if the people in Balkans were imposed slave mentality one cannot persuade them that before 19 century they had been the Metropolis of the Empire. If they believe that the Ottomans and the Turks were the same people you can do nothing about it. If they believe that the old Roman castle near Belgrade was Viminacium or that the remnants of a town found in Turkey in 1967 was Efes you can do nothing about it. This is my problem because people are zombied. They believe that the Pyramids are 5000 year old as the names they found here were all pharaohs who all ruled 33 years fix. Nobody cares that there are no signs if their lifetime activities. So if you tell them that Geese Valley was the imperial cemetery where mummies were brought from all over the world they will say that rote is insane. To say nothing that in the manuscripts pharaohs were marked as PHRN or ПХРН i.e. ПОХОРОН + NAME = BURRIED+ NAME. They like the version they had been told in multiple films and books without a single proof. If you ask why for 600 years in 3-9 centuries the Greeks stopped to die or print coins or write books or why on old maps only Crete Island was marked as Greece they'll call you a maniac or a Greekophobe.

macrote

pre 8 godina

You will be surely be an insane man..

Insane man is the one who makes such a claim that russia build the great walk of china and not the chinese.With one stroke he deletes 5000 years of history and 578 chinese emperors.
insane is the one who claims that Jesus was russian and nit a jew.
insane is the one who claims that russians,turks,albaniansand serbs are brothers.
insane is the one who claims the history of england and france was written in the 18th or 18th century.He's never heard of Henry the VIII or Loui the 16th and their predecessors which ruled those countries for hundreds of years.
insane are people like Ivan who believe rote.