@ factman
I would not been so enthusiastic but is your point of view.Is OK!
And I do not accept "sorry" from somebody whom have not seen Alb. yet and don't know to much about Albania. Before you judge you should be better informed and I'm sure you are not. Sorry! I will live to see it! 😆 🍸🍸
Yes, Albania has plenty to offer too. It has big upside because it's wide open not developed. But the general sentiment is that Albania is not yet a grape ready to be made into wine. Sorry.
The corridors are essentially economic corridors. Businesses locate where there are sizeable markets of consumers yet unttaped (8M Serbs) and where they can locate to distribute to as many people as possible as cheaply as possible (so to keeping logistical and storage and production costs down)
Rama knows all this stuff. He's a PM. He's just talking to his home audience. And if he doesn't know it he should have stayed home and sent his business guys.
I’m not sure of how much Serbia must gain from the corridors you are talking about, actually.
After the integration in BE, Balkan countries will not use anymore PEM and CEFTA and maybe is to see even this detail.
Serbia offer for the moment very good conditions for the investors and is good to attract them – but what you have to offer..
You tell that Serbia is more attractive than Alb. because she’s 4 x economic size of Alb.
I will say the same about Hungary, Poland…etc..
Albanian gov. don’t use the same policies (tactics) that Serbia use – because investors are attracted on what Alb. have to offer and she have to offer a lot.
Regarding to the historical memory I will be worried more about the “corruption” problems.
Firstly, Serbia did not had 20 years of war and sanctions – Albanian just touched "the ground" because of ~ 40 years of isolation and sanctions and now can just raise ~ and in these 20 – 25 years after the fall of communism if it wasn't for the world crisis I think Albania would had been much better. But the crisis inhibit the raising process!
Its GDP has been crippled by 20 years of sanctions, wars, bombing, a big big flood, and a generalized sentiment by most Europeans that one should not go there or invest there.
(factman, 23 February 2016 17:53)
That's why Serbs had to think a bit more carefully about the consequences of their vote when electing Serbia's leaders.
Regarding 2,3,4 - the only map that really matters is this map of pan-European corridors. As you can see Serbia touches 5 corridors. Those 5 corridors extend then to larger markets. It was chosen to be criss-crossed because it is centrally located (unlike others). Europe made this decision, not Serbia. http://www.ra.camcom.gov.it/eurosportello/francesca-allegati-newsletter/serbia-allegati/pan_european_corridors.jpg
Historic memory is very important to investors because it shows that conditions and know-how existed once before and that they are likely to exist again (unless there is a meltdown again). It provides assurance against the unknown (a great danger of investment).
regarding #7. GDP sets apart as well. Serbia is 4x the economic size of Albania (and this after 20 years of civil war and sanctions and bombing). Were it not for those things it would be 8x as large. And this too makes it more attractive.
Its GDP has been crippled by 20 years of sanctions, wars, bombing, a big big flood, and a generalized sentiment by most Europeans that one should not go there or invest there.
It is an absolute wonder that it did not collapse entirely.
if it did not have to deal with those issues, it would today be 8x the size of Albania.
1.8 MLN with a time “free Memory” market – are not more important than those which are under development and attractive for investors.
2.A country wich generally is in center of Balkans like some other countries, actually. Ok! Tell me which of Balkan countries need necessarily crossover Serbia to export the west?
3.Alb.and Serbia are close to each other, so if Serbia must reach the west in few days – Albania could to. The question is what you have to offer to the west countries – than Albania can not?
4.Here the EU map.https://www.google.com/maps/place/Europe/@45.3408953,16.1420976,4.75z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x46ed8886cfadda85:0x72ef99e6b3fcf079 Why NATO will ever need a transit over Serbia? If Nato need to reach Russia or Ukraine – will pas through Poland, etc..If need to reach Turkey or ME – will pass through Italy, Greece, Or Hungary – Romania. Nato don’t need Serbia. And I must tell you why she need Albania. But, unfortunately I’m not the PM of Albania because I will offer to Putin the military basis in Sazan island in middle of Adriatic and Joniane sea – and then we will see how fast the EU will open the chapters.
5- 6 Agree! But if Serbia is important for the peace in BIH, Albania is in MNE, MK, KS and in all the region.
Fifth,if you are ashamed being called "Shqiptare,from Shqiperia?.Call your self American, Greek(Muzaka Theodor),or whatever then!
sasa.p,
First of all, I am not ashamed to call myself Shqiptar. I am proud Shqiptar from Shqiperia.
But we are talking in English here not in Albanian.
I know that your Serbs when you want to talk bad about Albanians you don't use the word Albanski but use the word Shiptari...
We are talking in English here so use the right terms not the derogatory ones, otherwise I will continue to use the word "shkije"
Secondly , as far as I see you don't accept that Serbia and Albania are in the same boat economically.
For what I see from your postings here you still think that Russia is better than USA economically.
So there is waste of time to convince you.
Thirdly, in Medieval times Albania was called Arberia, and in antiquity Illyria.
The name Albania comes from the Illyrian tribe Alban recorded by Ptolemy, the geographer and astronomer from Alexandria who drafted a map in 150 AD that shows the city of Albanopolis located northeast of Durrës,Albania.
I am aware of my roots. As I have told you before where my ancestors were hosting Apostle Paul and accepting Christianity your were somewhere in Siberia sleeping with bears.
Lastly, Muzaka is 100% Albanian name. Even the extremist Serbian historians admit that Muzaka family is Albanian 100%.
Open some history books don't read all day chetnik propaganda.
7. Albania have still an infrastructure especially in mining and oil extraction with large reserves. Agriculture in a + for Albania, but what I think ( my opinion ) is that even if Serbia and Albania must work together with all the forces in agriculture can’t supply the German and Russian market even for one day, imagine. But is a +. The oil industry + the mine industry and the tourism are the “locomotive’ of Albanian economy. And Albania is rich on this all of that.
8. Serbia is not in the condition to choose it’s own way, to be clear. I understand that she’s is forced now – and it will be hard in my opinion. But, if she choose BE - Russia will be more “reasonable” with her because she need Serbia. But if Serbia play for a long time – I think Germans will “ corner” you badly, the same then it happened with Greece. Russia is a super military power but Germany is a super economic power. And they don't like too much playing!
I was in Albania last year and I can tell you that even with the current economic woes in Serbia it’s a far better place than Albania.
Numbers are made to lie to disguise a poor situation much like the supposed monthly wage of 700 euro in Croatia when in fact it’s the same as in Serbia or even a better example is the US unemployment which they claim is only 4.9% but in fact its 23%. I’d take figures on GDP with a grain of salt.
In my opinion I don't see Serbia is leaving us behind, considering that Albania's GDP per capita in 1989 was 550$ and Serbia's probably 20 times higher and now Serbia's GDP is only 1.16 times higher than Albanian one. The one that is moving faster is Albania...Numbers don't lie.
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(Teodor Muzaka 1389, 22 February 2016 2
First ,We call our self Srbin,from Serbija!.
Second,you call your self Shqiptare,from the country Sqiperia
Third, Serbia didn't excisist in 1989,it was Yugoslavia with the donkey COMMUNIST in power.
Fourth,from 1989, on ward's ,Serbia where in Yugoslav war's, but what is the excuse for the country Albania not to grow from 1989,compared to countries that where in a war's, while it had NO war's, and had 25 odd year's to grow compared to other's in the region!.
Fifth,if you are ashamed being called "Shqiptare,from Shqiperia?.Call your self American, Greek(Muzaka Theodor),or whatever then!
England and France,gave you the English name Albania in the early 1900's,but what where you called earlier!, Please Explain ?.
I know what we are called Srbin,from Srbija.If you don't like Srbin's or Srbija,no one is forcing you to use this Srbin site!.
P'S I am writing about Serbian infrastructure, and economically growing in the last 2 year's ,not 25 odd year's like you state!.
Note ,I am here ,to see it(grow) ,not abroad reading it!.
I have visited Albania more often than you have in the last 2 years to see it.You keep reading.
Vucic also stressed that Serbia's "trade, that is, export" with regional countries was "three, four, five times" greater than with Russia - "which speaks for itself."
Yes, it is, not so long ago, Serbian exports to Montenegro with some a population of some 100.000 were bigger than exports to Russia with some 100 million population. I think this changed in the meanwhile, with Serbia's export to Russia were growing some 10 percents due to Russia's self-imposed import embargo for food from the EU, but still it's true what Vucic said - yes, it speaks for itself.
Conclusion: The great 'Russian trade agreement' mostly benefits Russia with its oil and gas exports to Serbia.
P.S: Serbia's main export product, which is FIAT cars, are NOT included in the 'free trade agreement' with Russia.
(Moderate Serb, 23 February 2016 08:49)
As you are such a humanitarian why don’t you move to Pristina or Split and experience that brotherly love of your fellow man there.
"The EU is more favorably disposed to Serbia than to us, as we do not have Russia. They keep Albanians in Kosovo without visa liberalization, keep telling us that we are doing fine, but that there is more to be done. And then, he flies to Russia - and gets the start of EU entry talks," Rama said "humorously," Tanjug reported.
And here I thought Rama wasnt that bright, but I take that back as he is one of very few that sees what the EU thinks of Albanians. Perhaps little Edi should have asked the EU at this meeting to remove the depleted uranium in Kosova or maybe the EU doesn’t give a s….. about that either.
Nice to see Rama and Vucic seating together, if that photo was taken couple of years ago I think both Serbians and Albanians would have had a different reaction. It shows that both nation can in fact live peacefully and as an Albanian I think its time for both nations to seriously stop living in the past and just try at least respect each other if not like each other.
(Rigon, 22 February 2016 18:05)
How can anyone possibly disagree with the above statement. Those who do not agree, must, therefore, be for war. Furthermore, those who are for war must be insane. As a Serb, I fully agree with Rigon. Additionally, I must say I like most Albanians I have met. Conversely, I think most normal Serbs would feel the same way towards Albanians. After all, we are all Human Beings. No one should tolerate hateful Nationalism and Extremism. Let us all cooperate with one and other and together move ahead, both personally and as nations.
Serbia is advancing more quickly partially because of what Rama said, but more importantly because of the following:
1. A country of 8M with an historical memory of free markets is more important han a country of 3M without it.
2. A country that is geographically central to the Balkans with 5 of 10 European corridors either on its terriroty or at its very borders is more important than a country that is geographicaly on the periphery and with no corridors.
3. A country that can reach a market of 80M peple within a days drive is more important than one who can't.
4. A country that is needed for NATO transit is more important than a country that is not needed for that transit.
5. A country that gaurantees the peace in Bosnia is more important thana country that does not.
6. A country that is perceived to be vitally important to the development of Kosovo to a standard above what it has now is more important than a country that is not.
7. A country who has an infrastructure still in place and an important and nt fully developed agriculture, mining, and transportation sector is more important than a country that doesn't have it.
8. A country that always chooses its own way is more important to bring into the fold than a country that is usually pliant.
Oh my god, Bigfoot struck Serbia again! Provokacia! Provokacia!!
hahahaha
I expect the Serbian cabinet to spend the next two weeks brainstorming about how to respond to Rama's latest accusations and write letters of complaint to everyone in Europe :)
That is the only Albanian-Shqitare, in the world switched on.
--sasa, what happened, you're missing the letter P in your keyboard or what? If you're attempting to call us the way we call ourselves at least attempt to spell it correctly.
Mr. Vucic, Mr. Rama,
Why don't you two get a room.
Go ahead and either screw each other or beat to hell out of each other.
When you are done, please let us know you are ready to act like grown men, not like teenage girls looking to get attention from college boys.
Enough already.
P'S Shqipire boys on B92,keep dreaming,while Serbia move's forward, and check the back of Serbia ,while it continue's to moved forward,and you Shqitare left behind!.
(sasa.p, 22 February 2016 18:36)
You are delusional Mr" shkije"
In 2015 Albania GDP per capita 11,700$,Serbia's GDP per capita 13,900$.They look very close to me.
In my opinion I don't see Serbia is leaving us behind, considering that Albania's GDP per capita in 1989 was 550$ and Serbia's probably 20 times higher and now Serbia's GDP is only 1.16 times higher than Albanian one. The one that is moving faster is Albania...Numbers don't lie.
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Rama has shown time and time again that he can corner Vucic anytime of the day. Rama is articulate, and can elaborate regardless what the topic is about. Vucic has always struggled against Rama, but as of late it had been very significant how poorly Vucic has matched up to Rama.
Everything Rama said was completely true, and no one can deny it. I am sure Serbia will have another emergency session due to their PM's failure, and he had the nerves to mock someone else about election campaigns? Serbs campaign on NATIONALISM to this day, and if everything fails in their campaign against Croatia, and Bosnia, Kosovo is their safety net to make sure they get elected by beating on their chest, about how they will never recognize it, and eventually they will take it back.
Mr. Vucic, you sire are a joke and have no place to mock anyone else when it comes to election campaign!
Nice to see Rama and Vucic seating together, if that photo was taken couple of years ago I think both Serbians and Albanians would have had a different reaction. It shows that both nation can in fact live peacefully and as an Albanian I think its time for both nations to seriously stop living in the past and just try at least respect each other if not like each other.
Heads of Balkan countries sitting on same raw in London, yet when Vucic gets back to Serbia he claims; Kosova is Serbia!!!
Maybe Zorans, Novakovics , etc... can explain this better.
Albanian Prime Minister Edi Rama suggested on Monday Serbia was advancing more quickly along the EU path "because of the Russia factor."
That is the only Albanian-Shqitare, in the world switched on.Like I have been say for awhile ,that Serbia is moving quickly, while the region stay's stagnant, even RAMA notices it,while the Shqipire are in fantasy land on B92 ,with their fairly tale comment's and keep dreaming that Serbia is failing!.
P'S Shqipire boys on B92,keep dreaming,while Serbia move's forward, and check the back of Serbia ,while it continue's to moved forward,and you Shqitare left behind!.
The Kosovo Prime Minister Mustafa was there as well representing his country. It just shows once more how ridicules Serbia's claim is that Kosovo is not an independent country. If Vulic would be serious about his claim he should not be sitting there with Mustafa as a representative of another independent country. Just shows once more how they lie to their own people and fake their claim actually is in reality.
The Kosovo Prime Minister Mustafa was there as well representing his country. It just shows once more how ridicules Serbia's claim is that Kosovo is not an independent country. If Vulic would be serious about his claim he should not be sitting there with Mustafa as a representative of another independent country. Just shows once more how they lie to their own people and fake their claim actually is in reality.
Nice to see Rama and Vucic seating together, if that photo was taken couple of years ago I think both Serbians and Albanians would have had a different reaction. It shows that both nation can in fact live peacefully and as an Albanian I think its time for both nations to seriously stop living in the past and just try at least respect each other if not like each other.
Rama has shown time and time again that he can corner Vucic anytime of the day. Rama is articulate, and can elaborate regardless what the topic is about. Vucic has always struggled against Rama, but as of late it had been very significant how poorly Vucic has matched up to Rama.
Everything Rama said was completely true, and no one can deny it. I am sure Serbia will have another emergency session due to their PM's failure, and he had the nerves to mock someone else about election campaigns? Serbs campaign on NATIONALISM to this day, and if everything fails in their campaign against Croatia, and Bosnia, Kosovo is their safety net to make sure they get elected by beating on their chest, about how they will never recognize it, and eventually they will take it back.
Mr. Vucic, you sire are a joke and have no place to mock anyone else when it comes to election campaign!
Albanian Prime Minister Edi Rama suggested on Monday Serbia was advancing more quickly along the EU path "because of the Russia factor."
That is the only Albanian-Shqitare, in the world switched on.Like I have been say for awhile ,that Serbia is moving quickly, while the region stay's stagnant, even RAMA notices it,while the Shqipire are in fantasy land on B92 ,with their fairly tale comment's and keep dreaming that Serbia is failing!.
P'S Shqipire boys on B92,keep dreaming,while Serbia move's forward, and check the back of Serbia ,while it continue's to moved forward,and you Shqitare left behind!.
Heads of Balkan countries sitting on same raw in London, yet when Vucic gets back to Serbia he claims; Kosova is Serbia!!!
Maybe Zorans, Novakovics , etc... can explain this better.
Nice to see Rama and Vucic seating together, if that photo was taken couple of years ago I think both Serbians and Albanians would have had a different reaction. It shows that both nation can in fact live peacefully and as an Albanian I think its time for both nations to seriously stop living in the past and just try at least respect each other if not like each other.
(Rigon, 22 February 2016 18:05)
How can anyone possibly disagree with the above statement. Those who do not agree, must, therefore, be for war. Furthermore, those who are for war must be insane. As a Serb, I fully agree with Rigon. Additionally, I must say I like most Albanians I have met. Conversely, I think most normal Serbs would feel the same way towards Albanians. After all, we are all Human Beings. No one should tolerate hateful Nationalism and Extremism. Let us all cooperate with one and other and together move ahead, both personally and as nations.
Serbia is advancing more quickly partially because of what Rama said, but more importantly because of the following:
1. A country of 8M with an historical memory of free markets is more important han a country of 3M without it.
2. A country that is geographically central to the Balkans with 5 of 10 European corridors either on its terriroty or at its very borders is more important than a country that is geographicaly on the periphery and with no corridors.
3. A country that can reach a market of 80M peple within a days drive is more important than one who can't.
4. A country that is needed for NATO transit is more important than a country that is not needed for that transit.
5. A country that gaurantees the peace in Bosnia is more important thana country that does not.
6. A country that is perceived to be vitally important to the development of Kosovo to a standard above what it has now is more important than a country that is not.
7. A country who has an infrastructure still in place and an important and nt fully developed agriculture, mining, and transportation sector is more important than a country that doesn't have it.
8. A country that always chooses its own way is more important to bring into the fold than a country that is usually pliant.
Fifth,if you are ashamed being called "Shqiptare,from Shqiperia?.Call your self American, Greek(Muzaka Theodor),or whatever then!
sasa.p,
First of all, I am not ashamed to call myself Shqiptar. I am proud Shqiptar from Shqiperia.
But we are talking in English here not in Albanian.
I know that your Serbs when you want to talk bad about Albanians you don't use the word Albanski but use the word Shiptari...
We are talking in English here so use the right terms not the derogatory ones, otherwise I will continue to use the word "shkije"
Secondly , as far as I see you don't accept that Serbia and Albania are in the same boat economically.
For what I see from your postings here you still think that Russia is better than USA economically.
So there is waste of time to convince you.
Thirdly, in Medieval times Albania was called Arberia, and in antiquity Illyria.
The name Albania comes from the Illyrian tribe Alban recorded by Ptolemy, the geographer and astronomer from Alexandria who drafted a map in 150 AD that shows the city of Albanopolis located northeast of Durrës,Albania.
I am aware of my roots. As I have told you before where my ancestors were hosting Apostle Paul and accepting Christianity your were somewhere in Siberia sleeping with bears.
Lastly, Muzaka is 100% Albanian name. Even the extremist Serbian historians admit that Muzaka family is Albanian 100%.
Open some history books don't read all day chetnik propaganda.
P'S Shqipire boys on B92,keep dreaming,while Serbia move's forward, and check the back of Serbia ,while it continue's to moved forward,and you Shqitare left behind!.
(sasa.p, 22 February 2016 18:36)
You are delusional Mr" shkije"
In 2015 Albania GDP per capita 11,700$,Serbia's GDP per capita 13,900$.They look very close to me.
In my opinion I don't see Serbia is leaving us behind, considering that Albania's GDP per capita in 1989 was 550$ and Serbia's probably 20 times higher and now Serbia's GDP is only 1.16 times higher than Albanian one. The one that is moving faster is Albania...Numbers don't lie.
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(Moderate Serb, 23 February 2016 08:49)
As you are such a humanitarian why don’t you move to Pristina or Split and experience that brotherly love of your fellow man there.
I was in Albania last year and I can tell you that even with the current economic woes in Serbia it’s a far better place than Albania.
Numbers are made to lie to disguise a poor situation much like the supposed monthly wage of 700 euro in Croatia when in fact it’s the same as in Serbia or even a better example is the US unemployment which they claim is only 4.9% but in fact its 23%. I’d take figures on GDP with a grain of salt.
Its GDP has been crippled by 20 years of sanctions, wars, bombing, a big big flood, and a generalized sentiment by most Europeans that one should not go there or invest there.
It is an absolute wonder that it did not collapse entirely.
if it did not have to deal with those issues, it would today be 8x the size of Albania.
Oh my god, Bigfoot struck Serbia again! Provokacia! Provokacia!!
hahahaha
I expect the Serbian cabinet to spend the next two weeks brainstorming about how to respond to Rama's latest accusations and write letters of complaint to everyone in Europe :)
In my opinion I don't see Serbia is leaving us behind, considering that Albania's GDP per capita in 1989 was 550$ and Serbia's probably 20 times higher and now Serbia's GDP is only 1.16 times higher than Albanian one. The one that is moving faster is Albania...Numbers don't lie.
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(Teodor Muzaka 1389, 22 February 2016 2
First ,We call our self Srbin,from Serbija!.
Second,you call your self Shqiptare,from the country Sqiperia
Third, Serbia didn't excisist in 1989,it was Yugoslavia with the donkey COMMUNIST in power.
Fourth,from 1989, on ward's ,Serbia where in Yugoslav war's, but what is the excuse for the country Albania not to grow from 1989,compared to countries that where in a war's, while it had NO war's, and had 25 odd year's to grow compared to other's in the region!.
Fifth,if you are ashamed being called "Shqiptare,from Shqiperia?.Call your self American, Greek(Muzaka Theodor),or whatever then!
England and France,gave you the English name Albania in the early 1900's,but what where you called earlier!, Please Explain ?.
I know what we are called Srbin,from Srbija.If you don't like Srbin's or Srbija,no one is forcing you to use this Srbin site!.
P'S I am writing about Serbian infrastructure, and economically growing in the last 2 year's ,not 25 odd year's like you state!.
Note ,I am here ,to see it(grow) ,not abroad reading it!.
I have visited Albania more often than you have in the last 2 years to see it.You keep reading.
Regarding 2,3,4 - the only map that really matters is this map of pan-European corridors. As you can see Serbia touches 5 corridors. Those 5 corridors extend then to larger markets. It was chosen to be criss-crossed because it is centrally located (unlike others). Europe made this decision, not Serbia. http://www.ra.camcom.gov.it/eurosportello/francesca-allegati-newsletter/serbia-allegati/pan_european_corridors.jpg
Historic memory is very important to investors because it shows that conditions and know-how existed once before and that they are likely to exist again (unless there is a meltdown again). It provides assurance against the unknown (a great danger of investment).
regarding #7. GDP sets apart as well. Serbia is 4x the economic size of Albania (and this after 20 years of civil war and sanctions and bombing). Were it not for those things it would be 8x as large. And this too makes it more attractive.
That is the only Albanian-Shqitare, in the world switched on.
--sasa, what happened, you're missing the letter P in your keyboard or what? If you're attempting to call us the way we call ourselves at least attempt to spell it correctly.
1.8 MLN with a time “free Memory” market – are not more important than those which are under development and attractive for investors.
2.A country wich generally is in center of Balkans like some other countries, actually. Ok! Tell me which of Balkan countries need necessarily crossover Serbia to export the west?
3.Alb.and Serbia are close to each other, so if Serbia must reach the west in few days – Albania could to. The question is what you have to offer to the west countries – than Albania can not?
4.Here the EU map.https://www.google.com/maps/place/Europe/@45.3408953,16.1420976,4.75z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x46ed8886cfadda85:0x72ef99e6b3fcf079 Why NATO will ever need a transit over Serbia? If Nato need to reach Russia or Ukraine – will pas through Poland, etc..If need to reach Turkey or ME – will pass through Italy, Greece, Or Hungary – Romania. Nato don’t need Serbia. And I must tell you why she need Albania. But, unfortunately I’m not the PM of Albania because I will offer to Putin the military basis in Sazan island in middle of Adriatic and Joniane sea – and then we will see how fast the EU will open the chapters.
5- 6 Agree! But if Serbia is important for the peace in BIH, Albania is in MNE, MK, KS and in all the region.
Mr. Vucic, Mr. Rama,
Why don't you two get a room.
Go ahead and either screw each other or beat to hell out of each other.
When you are done, please let us know you are ready to act like grown men, not like teenage girls looking to get attention from college boys.
Enough already.
"The EU is more favorably disposed to Serbia than to us, as we do not have Russia. They keep Albanians in Kosovo without visa liberalization, keep telling us that we are doing fine, but that there is more to be done. And then, he flies to Russia - and gets the start of EU entry talks," Rama said "humorously," Tanjug reported.
And here I thought Rama wasnt that bright, but I take that back as he is one of very few that sees what the EU thinks of Albanians. Perhaps little Edi should have asked the EU at this meeting to remove the depleted uranium in Kosova or maybe the EU doesn’t give a s….. about that either.
Its GDP has been crippled by 20 years of sanctions, wars, bombing, a big big flood, and a generalized sentiment by most Europeans that one should not go there or invest there.
(factman, 23 February 2016 17:53)
That's why Serbs had to think a bit more carefully about the consequences of their vote when electing Serbia's leaders.
I’m not sure of how much Serbia must gain from the corridors you are talking about, actually.
After the integration in BE, Balkan countries will not use anymore PEM and CEFTA and maybe is to see even this detail.
Serbia offer for the moment very good conditions for the investors and is good to attract them – but what you have to offer..
You tell that Serbia is more attractive than Alb. because she’s 4 x economic size of Alb.
I will say the same about Hungary, Poland…etc..
Albanian gov. don’t use the same policies (tactics) that Serbia use – because investors are attracted on what Alb. have to offer and she have to offer a lot.
Regarding to the historical memory I will be worried more about the “corruption” problems.
Firstly, Serbia did not had 20 years of war and sanctions – Albanian just touched "the ground" because of ~ 40 years of isolation and sanctions and now can just raise ~ and in these 20 – 25 years after the fall of communism if it wasn't for the world crisis I think Albania would had been much better. But the crisis inhibit the raising process!
7. Albania have still an infrastructure especially in mining and oil extraction with large reserves. Agriculture in a + for Albania, but what I think ( my opinion ) is that even if Serbia and Albania must work together with all the forces in agriculture can’t supply the German and Russian market even for one day, imagine. But is a +. The oil industry + the mine industry and the tourism are the “locomotive’ of Albanian economy. And Albania is rich on this all of that.
8. Serbia is not in the condition to choose it’s own way, to be clear. I understand that she’s is forced now – and it will be hard in my opinion. But, if she choose BE - Russia will be more “reasonable” with her because she need Serbia. But if Serbia play for a long time – I think Germans will “ corner” you badly, the same then it happened with Greece. Russia is a super military power but Germany is a super economic power. And they don't like too much playing!
@ factman
I would not been so enthusiastic but is your point of view.Is OK!
And I do not accept "sorry" from somebody whom have not seen Alb. yet and don't know to much about Albania. Before you judge you should be better informed and I'm sure you are not. Sorry! I will live to see it! 😆 🍸🍸
Vucic also stressed that Serbia's "trade, that is, export" with regional countries was "three, four, five times" greater than with Russia - "which speaks for itself."
Yes, it is, not so long ago, Serbian exports to Montenegro with some a population of some 100.000 were bigger than exports to Russia with some 100 million population. I think this changed in the meanwhile, with Serbia's export to Russia were growing some 10 percents due to Russia's self-imposed import embargo for food from the EU, but still it's true what Vucic said - yes, it speaks for itself.
Conclusion: The great 'Russian trade agreement' mostly benefits Russia with its oil and gas exports to Serbia.
P.S: Serbia's main export product, which is FIAT cars, are NOT included in the 'free trade agreement' with Russia.
Yes, Albania has plenty to offer too. It has big upside because it's wide open not developed. But the general sentiment is that Albania is not yet a grape ready to be made into wine. Sorry.
The corridors are essentially economic corridors. Businesses locate where there are sizeable markets of consumers yet unttaped (8M Serbs) and where they can locate to distribute to as many people as possible as cheaply as possible (so to keeping logistical and storage and production costs down)
Rama knows all this stuff. He's a PM. He's just talking to his home audience. And if he doesn't know it he should have stayed home and sent his business guys.
The Kosovo Prime Minister Mustafa was there as well representing his country. It just shows once more how ridicules Serbia's claim is that Kosovo is not an independent country. If Vulic would be serious about his claim he should not be sitting there with Mustafa as a representative of another independent country. Just shows once more how they lie to their own people and fake their claim actually is in reality.
Rama has shown time and time again that he can corner Vucic anytime of the day. Rama is articulate, and can elaborate regardless what the topic is about. Vucic has always struggled against Rama, but as of late it had been very significant how poorly Vucic has matched up to Rama.
Everything Rama said was completely true, and no one can deny it. I am sure Serbia will have another emergency session due to their PM's failure, and he had the nerves to mock someone else about election campaigns? Serbs campaign on NATIONALISM to this day, and if everything fails in their campaign against Croatia, and Bosnia, Kosovo is their safety net to make sure they get elected by beating on their chest, about how they will never recognize it, and eventually they will take it back.
Mr. Vucic, you sire are a joke and have no place to mock anyone else when it comes to election campaign!
Albanian Prime Minister Edi Rama suggested on Monday Serbia was advancing more quickly along the EU path "because of the Russia factor."
That is the only Albanian-Shqitare, in the world switched on.Like I have been say for awhile ,that Serbia is moving quickly, while the region stay's stagnant, even RAMA notices it,while the Shqipire are in fantasy land on B92 ,with their fairly tale comment's and keep dreaming that Serbia is failing!.
P'S Shqipire boys on B92,keep dreaming,while Serbia move's forward, and check the back of Serbia ,while it continue's to moved forward,and you Shqitare left behind!.
Heads of Balkan countries sitting on same raw in London, yet when Vucic gets back to Serbia he claims; Kosova is Serbia!!!
Maybe Zorans, Novakovics , etc... can explain this better.
Nice to see Rama and Vucic seating together, if that photo was taken couple of years ago I think both Serbians and Albanians would have had a different reaction. It shows that both nation can in fact live peacefully and as an Albanian I think its time for both nations to seriously stop living in the past and just try at least respect each other if not like each other.
In my opinion I don't see Serbia is leaving us behind, considering that Albania's GDP per capita in 1989 was 550$ and Serbia's probably 20 times higher and now Serbia's GDP is only 1.16 times higher than Albanian one. The one that is moving faster is Albania...Numbers don't lie.
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(Teodor Muzaka 1389, 22 February 2016 2
First ,We call our self Srbin,from Serbija!.
Second,you call your self Shqiptare,from the country Sqiperia
Third, Serbia didn't excisist in 1989,it was Yugoslavia with the donkey COMMUNIST in power.
Fourth,from 1989, on ward's ,Serbia where in Yugoslav war's, but what is the excuse for the country Albania not to grow from 1989,compared to countries that where in a war's, while it had NO war's, and had 25 odd year's to grow compared to other's in the region!.
Fifth,if you are ashamed being called "Shqiptare,from Shqiperia?.Call your self American, Greek(Muzaka Theodor),or whatever then!
England and France,gave you the English name Albania in the early 1900's,but what where you called earlier!, Please Explain ?.
I know what we are called Srbin,from Srbija.If you don't like Srbin's or Srbija,no one is forcing you to use this Srbin site!.
P'S I am writing about Serbian infrastructure, and economically growing in the last 2 year's ,not 25 odd year's like you state!.
Note ,I am here ,to see it(grow) ,not abroad reading it!.
I have visited Albania more often than you have in the last 2 years to see it.You keep reading.
I was in Albania last year and I can tell you that even with the current economic woes in Serbia it’s a far better place than Albania.
Numbers are made to lie to disguise a poor situation much like the supposed monthly wage of 700 euro in Croatia when in fact it’s the same as in Serbia or even a better example is the US unemployment which they claim is only 4.9% but in fact its 23%. I’d take figures on GDP with a grain of salt.
P'S Shqipire boys on B92,keep dreaming,while Serbia move's forward, and check the back of Serbia ,while it continue's to moved forward,and you Shqitare left behind!.
(sasa.p, 22 February 2016 18:36)
You are delusional Mr" shkije"
In 2015 Albania GDP per capita 11,700$,Serbia's GDP per capita 13,900$.They look very close to me.
In my opinion I don't see Serbia is leaving us behind, considering that Albania's GDP per capita in 1989 was 550$ and Serbia's probably 20 times higher and now Serbia's GDP is only 1.16 times higher than Albanian one. The one that is moving faster is Albania...Numbers don't lie.
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Oh my god, Bigfoot struck Serbia again! Provokacia! Provokacia!!
hahahaha
I expect the Serbian cabinet to spend the next two weeks brainstorming about how to respond to Rama's latest accusations and write letters of complaint to everyone in Europe :)
Serbia is advancing more quickly partially because of what Rama said, but more importantly because of the following:
1. A country of 8M with an historical memory of free markets is more important han a country of 3M without it.
2. A country that is geographically central to the Balkans with 5 of 10 European corridors either on its terriroty or at its very borders is more important than a country that is geographicaly on the periphery and with no corridors.
3. A country that can reach a market of 80M peple within a days drive is more important than one who can't.
4. A country that is needed for NATO transit is more important than a country that is not needed for that transit.
5. A country that gaurantees the peace in Bosnia is more important thana country that does not.
6. A country that is perceived to be vitally important to the development of Kosovo to a standard above what it has now is more important than a country that is not.
7. A country who has an infrastructure still in place and an important and nt fully developed agriculture, mining, and transportation sector is more important than a country that doesn't have it.
8. A country that always chooses its own way is more important to bring into the fold than a country that is usually pliant.
(Moderate Serb, 23 February 2016 08:49)
As you are such a humanitarian why don’t you move to Pristina or Split and experience that brotherly love of your fellow man there.
That is the only Albanian-Shqitare, in the world switched on.
--sasa, what happened, you're missing the letter P in your keyboard or what? If you're attempting to call us the way we call ourselves at least attempt to spell it correctly.
"The EU is more favorably disposed to Serbia than to us, as we do not have Russia. They keep Albanians in Kosovo without visa liberalization, keep telling us that we are doing fine, but that there is more to be done. And then, he flies to Russia - and gets the start of EU entry talks," Rama said "humorously," Tanjug reported.
And here I thought Rama wasnt that bright, but I take that back as he is one of very few that sees what the EU thinks of Albanians. Perhaps little Edi should have asked the EU at this meeting to remove the depleted uranium in Kosova or maybe the EU doesn’t give a s….. about that either.
1.8 MLN with a time “free Memory” market – are not more important than those which are under development and attractive for investors.
2.A country wich generally is in center of Balkans like some other countries, actually. Ok! Tell me which of Balkan countries need necessarily crossover Serbia to export the west?
3.Alb.and Serbia are close to each other, so if Serbia must reach the west in few days – Albania could to. The question is what you have to offer to the west countries – than Albania can not?
4.Here the EU map.https://www.google.com/maps/place/Europe/@45.3408953,16.1420976,4.75z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x46ed8886cfadda85:0x72ef99e6b3fcf079 Why NATO will ever need a transit over Serbia? If Nato need to reach Russia or Ukraine – will pas through Poland, etc..If need to reach Turkey or ME – will pass through Italy, Greece, Or Hungary – Romania. Nato don’t need Serbia. And I must tell you why she need Albania. But, unfortunately I’m not the PM of Albania because I will offer to Putin the military basis in Sazan island in middle of Adriatic and Joniane sea – and then we will see how fast the EU will open the chapters.
5- 6 Agree! But if Serbia is important for the peace in BIH, Albania is in MNE, MK, KS and in all the region.
7. Albania have still an infrastructure especially in mining and oil extraction with large reserves. Agriculture in a + for Albania, but what I think ( my opinion ) is that even if Serbia and Albania must work together with all the forces in agriculture can’t supply the German and Russian market even for one day, imagine. But is a +. The oil industry + the mine industry and the tourism are the “locomotive’ of Albanian economy. And Albania is rich on this all of that.
8. Serbia is not in the condition to choose it’s own way, to be clear. I understand that she’s is forced now – and it will be hard in my opinion. But, if she choose BE - Russia will be more “reasonable” with her because she need Serbia. But if Serbia play for a long time – I think Germans will “ corner” you badly, the same then it happened with Greece. Russia is a super military power but Germany is a super economic power. And they don't like too much playing!
Yes, Albania has plenty to offer too. It has big upside because it's wide open not developed. But the general sentiment is that Albania is not yet a grape ready to be made into wine. Sorry.
The corridors are essentially economic corridors. Businesses locate where there are sizeable markets of consumers yet unttaped (8M Serbs) and where they can locate to distribute to as many people as possible as cheaply as possible (so to keeping logistical and storage and production costs down)
Rama knows all this stuff. He's a PM. He's just talking to his home audience. And if he doesn't know it he should have stayed home and sent his business guys.
Mr. Vucic, Mr. Rama,
Why don't you two get a room.
Go ahead and either screw each other or beat to hell out of each other.
When you are done, please let us know you are ready to act like grown men, not like teenage girls looking to get attention from college boys.
Enough already.
Nice to see Rama and Vucic seating together, if that photo was taken couple of years ago I think both Serbians and Albanians would have had a different reaction. It shows that both nation can in fact live peacefully and as an Albanian I think its time for both nations to seriously stop living in the past and just try at least respect each other if not like each other.
(Rigon, 22 February 2016 18:05)
How can anyone possibly disagree with the above statement. Those who do not agree, must, therefore, be for war. Furthermore, those who are for war must be insane. As a Serb, I fully agree with Rigon. Additionally, I must say I like most Albanians I have met. Conversely, I think most normal Serbs would feel the same way towards Albanians. After all, we are all Human Beings. No one should tolerate hateful Nationalism and Extremism. Let us all cooperate with one and other and together move ahead, both personally and as nations.
Fifth,if you are ashamed being called "Shqiptare,from Shqiperia?.Call your self American, Greek(Muzaka Theodor),or whatever then!
sasa.p,
First of all, I am not ashamed to call myself Shqiptar. I am proud Shqiptar from Shqiperia.
But we are talking in English here not in Albanian.
I know that your Serbs when you want to talk bad about Albanians you don't use the word Albanski but use the word Shiptari...
We are talking in English here so use the right terms not the derogatory ones, otherwise I will continue to use the word "shkije"
Secondly , as far as I see you don't accept that Serbia and Albania are in the same boat economically.
For what I see from your postings here you still think that Russia is better than USA economically.
So there is waste of time to convince you.
Thirdly, in Medieval times Albania was called Arberia, and in antiquity Illyria.
The name Albania comes from the Illyrian tribe Alban recorded by Ptolemy, the geographer and astronomer from Alexandria who drafted a map in 150 AD that shows the city of Albanopolis located northeast of Durrës,Albania.
I am aware of my roots. As I have told you before where my ancestors were hosting Apostle Paul and accepting Christianity your were somewhere in Siberia sleeping with bears.
Lastly, Muzaka is 100% Albanian name. Even the extremist Serbian historians admit that Muzaka family is Albanian 100%.
Open some history books don't read all day chetnik propaganda.
Regarding 2,3,4 - the only map that really matters is this map of pan-European corridors. As you can see Serbia touches 5 corridors. Those 5 corridors extend then to larger markets. It was chosen to be criss-crossed because it is centrally located (unlike others). Europe made this decision, not Serbia. http://www.ra.camcom.gov.it/eurosportello/francesca-allegati-newsletter/serbia-allegati/pan_european_corridors.jpg
Historic memory is very important to investors because it shows that conditions and know-how existed once before and that they are likely to exist again (unless there is a meltdown again). It provides assurance against the unknown (a great danger of investment).
regarding #7. GDP sets apart as well. Serbia is 4x the economic size of Albania (and this after 20 years of civil war and sanctions and bombing). Were it not for those things it would be 8x as large. And this too makes it more attractive.
Its GDP has been crippled by 20 years of sanctions, wars, bombing, a big big flood, and a generalized sentiment by most Europeans that one should not go there or invest there.
It is an absolute wonder that it did not collapse entirely.
if it did not have to deal with those issues, it would today be 8x the size of Albania.
Vucic also stressed that Serbia's "trade, that is, export" with regional countries was "three, four, five times" greater than with Russia - "which speaks for itself."
Yes, it is, not so long ago, Serbian exports to Montenegro with some a population of some 100.000 were bigger than exports to Russia with some 100 million population. I think this changed in the meanwhile, with Serbia's export to Russia were growing some 10 percents due to Russia's self-imposed import embargo for food from the EU, but still it's true what Vucic said - yes, it speaks for itself.
Conclusion: The great 'Russian trade agreement' mostly benefits Russia with its oil and gas exports to Serbia.
P.S: Serbia's main export product, which is FIAT cars, are NOT included in the 'free trade agreement' with Russia.
Its GDP has been crippled by 20 years of sanctions, wars, bombing, a big big flood, and a generalized sentiment by most Europeans that one should not go there or invest there.
(factman, 23 February 2016 17:53)
That's why Serbs had to think a bit more carefully about the consequences of their vote when electing Serbia's leaders.
I’m not sure of how much Serbia must gain from the corridors you are talking about, actually.
After the integration in BE, Balkan countries will not use anymore PEM and CEFTA and maybe is to see even this detail.
Serbia offer for the moment very good conditions for the investors and is good to attract them – but what you have to offer..
You tell that Serbia is more attractive than Alb. because she’s 4 x economic size of Alb.
I will say the same about Hungary, Poland…etc..
Albanian gov. don’t use the same policies (tactics) that Serbia use – because investors are attracted on what Alb. have to offer and she have to offer a lot.
Regarding to the historical memory I will be worried more about the “corruption” problems.
Firstly, Serbia did not had 20 years of war and sanctions – Albanian just touched "the ground" because of ~ 40 years of isolation and sanctions and now can just raise ~ and in these 20 – 25 years after the fall of communism if it wasn't for the world crisis I think Albania would had been much better. But the crisis inhibit the raising process!
@ factman
I would not been so enthusiastic but is your point of view.Is OK!
And I do not accept "sorry" from somebody whom have not seen Alb. yet and don't know to much about Albania. Before you judge you should be better informed and I'm sure you are not. Sorry! I will live to see it! 😆 🍸🍸
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