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Friday, 12.02.2016.

09:36

Army chief: Downsizing KFOR would have security implications

Reducing the number of KFOR troops in Kosovo "would adversely affect the security situation" there, Serbian Army (VS) chief Gen. Ljubisa Dikovic has said.

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sj

pre 8 godina

(Servian Goat Lovers, 16 February 2016 03:52)

As I said before the ancient cities were built by Albanian Romans/Greeks. Funny how history textbooks don’t mention that great Albanian people nor ruling its castes.
As I said before if Albanians and the Croats could package your BS you would make a fortune. What does not belong to you don’t take it on as your history. My daughter teaches mediaeval European history and she has never heard of “Albanians had the highest positions within the Empire and established centuries old monarchies and ruling castes from Romania to Egypt. Ottoman history is filled of powerful and high achieving Albanians.”
However, she has heard of Telsa, Pupin and Milankovic. While I can say that the only thing I have heard about Albanians is they fill EU prisons.

Servian Goat Lovers

pre 8 godina

(sj, 15 February 2016 10:02)

Since you have no history and no culture you like to say your neighbors don't have any either. The only "ancient" heritage you claim are no more than a dozen medieval churches. No ancient cities, no civilization, only a dozen churches, and even those are copies of Illyrian and Byzantine heritage. Only the village of Voskopoja in Albania has more ancient orthodox churches than the entire Serbian nation!! :) On top of that we have not only much more religious architecture, but also ancient cities, architecture, proof of civilization. Most of your "heritage" consists of Chetnik memorabilia and mass graves.

You can say that Albanians didn't rule anything all you want, but history proves otherwise. Every province of the Ottoman Empire was at some point ruled by Albanians. Albanians had the highest positions within the Empire and established centuries old monarchies and ruling castes from Romania to Egypt. Ottoman history is filled of powerful and high achieving Albanians. Again, your barbarian Serbian tribes didn't have any meaningful achievements and all you can do now is to try to deny the history of others. There is still time for Serbs to actually achieve something, but you'd rather spend your days planning your next ethnic cleansing than actually achieving anything.

icj1

pre 8 godina

You should observe that the Albanians were Nazi collaborators during WWII and declaring war against the US and its allied.
(Jugslavija, 12 February 2016 21:43)

Well, according to your logic, you should observe that the Serbs were Nazi collaborators during WWII by creating a government that collaborated with the Nazis.
(icj1, 13 February 2016 03:22)

Are you just playing dumb?
(Jugoslavija, 15 February 2016 01:16)

Well, I just used the logic of a certain Jugoslavija. If his/her logic is dumb, as you say, there isn't much I can do :)

sj

pre 8 godina

(Servian Goat Lovers, 13 February 2016 04:48)

Yes they were all Albanians. Albanian Assyrians established the first writing then Albanian Egyptians built the pyramids, Albanian Persians ruled half the known world and naturally Albanians built the Acropolis and so it goes on and on.
And yet after thousands of years of Albanian civilisation in the Balkans, they left NOTHING not even a fountain that could be accredited to them. And with all of that civilisation they still have blood feuds to this day.
Albanians ruled no one. They were most commonly known as Turkish camp followers. While in the 21 century they fill EU prisons –Brits don’t like you guys at all.

Albanians are like Croats, inventing history because they never had one.

Donkey-vic

pre 8 godina

"Neither does the world outside the Enver Hoxha Ministry of Truth."
(Donkey)

Apparently you live in your own world, Donkey. Keep feeding yourself those lies from the Milloshevic Ministry of Truth. It will make you forget about the state of your shitty country and you will sleep better at night.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

@icj1

Are you just playing dumb? Do you deny that Albanian along with Italian soldiers invaded Greece? Do you deny that Albania declared war on the US? Yugoslavia did not invade any country during WW2, Nedic formed a national front government or the other option was rule by the Croatian Ustase who would have spread the genocide to Serbian civilians.

Tito spread the partisan movement to Albania, that does not equate Albanian Nazi state to an occupied Serbia.

If you want an equation and I know how math is a difficult subject for you, the Croatian Ustase state equals the Albanian Nazi state during WW2.

As a side note, my Greek great grandparents took thousands of gutless Albanian invaders along with Italians when they tried to invade Greece in 1941. King Zog was granted access to Greece or he would have been killed by the Albanian fascists. You still think Italy invaded Albania! Wrong , it was a coup de etat using the Italian army to put the Albanian fascists in power.

Looking forward to your baseless foolish retort.

IvanPN

pre 8 godina

Hey 'observer', I guess your rant goes out the window now that the 'servian goat herder' has had that to say.

Then funny part is, Serbs are at home in b92, its a Serb site and we are free to feel nationalistic.

By calling your self 'servian goat herder' the name implies that you are in fact servian.

If you want to hate properly, you should try making yourself seem less stupid,stupid.

BTW, there may have been tribes in lands to the southwest of Serbia, but every person can be sure they were wiped out centuries ago, by the people that settled that land. So any claim that Kalbs have to some ancestry is the biggest load of BS. There is nothing illyrian in Albanian, don't delude yourselves.

Donkey Hoxha

pre 8 godina

When Albanian Emperors ruled the Roman Empire Serbs were still learning how to make fire in the caves of Siberia.
(Servian Goat Lovers, 13 February 2016 04:48)

LOL so your answer is to take actual history and put "Albanian" in front of everything. I don't remember a single "Albanian" emperor. Neither does the world outside the Enver Hoxha Ministry of Truth. But good for you for at least trying to sound defiant :)

Servian Goat Lovers

pre 8 godina

The real truth is you sat around the region for two thousand years doing absolutely nothing.
(Donkey Hoxha, 12 February 2016 16:01)

When Albanian Emperors ruled the Roman Empire Serbs were still learning how to make fire in the caves of Siberia. The only connection to the region you have is your partial Albanian blood from inter-marrying with Albanians. Be proud of it because that is your only connection to European history.
Albanians allowed you to settle their lands in the Balkans and they ruled you for centuries under the Ottoman Empire. You were lucky to gain some ground in Kosovo in the last century, so cherish that history because it's gone. We will rule you again just like we have done for centuries, because you are born to be our slaves. We gave you the name "serves".

icj1

pre 8 godina

You should observe that the Albanians were Nazi collaborators during WWII and declaring war against the US and its allied.
(Jugslavija, 12 February 2016 21:43)

Well, according to your logic, you should observe that the Serbs were Nazi collaborators during WWII by creating a government that collaborated with the Nazis.

I don't think that Serbs or Albanians (except few of them) were Nazi collaborators, but unfortunately your logic leads to that conclusion and I can't change your logic :)

Paul

pre 8 godina

One of the best ways to offend corrupt authority is to insist they fulfill their responsibilities. KFOR needs to constantly have its nose rubbed in the mess they created in Kosovo. It's their baby and need to take care of it or leave the job to somebody else.

Jugslavija

pre 8 godina

You still display that unbelievable hate and willingness to kill other ethnic groups out of an crazy blown up nationalistic idea, comparable to that of the Nazi's.
(observer, 12 February 2016 17:17)

You should observe that the Albanians were Nazi collaborators during WWII and declaring war against the US and its allied. You call the Serbs Nazi's who were one of the few countries in Europe who stood up against Hitler.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

@Ratko, sasa.p, the actual truth, Jugoslavija

You dont have to believe me but perhaps you believe one of your own.

Quote:(...)The real truth is you sat around the region for two thousand years(...) - Donkey Hoxha, 12 February 2016 16:01

@Donkey: Thanks bro. You are on my team now :-)

Sam D

pre 8 godina

The last 18 years have one fact very clear and that is the EU did have an undisclosed motive for separating Kosovo from Serbia The reason being is by separating it keeps the Albanians from obtaining visa free travel Had Kosovo remained in its previous status the citizens would have enjoyed visa free travel throughout Europe

Reader

pre 8 godina

The real truth is you sat around the region for two thousand years doing absolutely nothing.
(Donkey Hoxha, 12 February 2016 16:01)

Better to do nothing than to start wars after wars and be recognized by the whole world as warmongers and genocidal people. WWI: sparked by a Serb. Balkan wars twice in the last century: started by Serbs. The Hague tribunal for War Crimes: filled with Serbs. I would be ashamed to call this development, it is 1000 times more honorable to be hunter gatherers.

sasa.p

pre 8 godina

To Gjon Marku or Jihad Gjon,
You are from ADANA State in Turkey near Syria border!You arrived in the 1800's with red carpet and trumpet's playing ,by the Ottomans in Kosovo .
You never defeated any country on a one on one war. You Shqipire are great at hiding in mountains, because of looking after Herd's of Sheep's and Goat's(Your Shqipire experience at).
Their is no major war ,or major buildings, or major momentum's ,or any mention of the Shqiptars, Shqipire or Albanian's before 1800's,unless you hide and Sleeped in the mountains of Prokletije for 2000 years.
Jihad Gjon,stop spreading lies and writing fairytale stories.

the actual truth

pre 8 godina

. We survived attempted genocide by Serbia in WWI and WWII.
(Gjon Marku, 12 February 2016 14:54)

That's funny considering Albania sat the First World War out and was never invaded by Serbia. History also seems to say that it was Albanians in Kosovo and northern Albania who harassed retreating Serb forces on their way to Corfu. Kind of hard for any "genocide" to take place.

Equally funny for World War II since Albania was under Italian occupation and Albanians in Kosovo were allied with Nazi Germany. Don't recall Serbs having the time to commit genocide on Albanians while they were being herded into Croatian death camps and chased out of Kosovo.

Are You this historically fictitious all the time?

observer

pre 8 godina

stop spreading lies on the internet and writing nonsense every day. albanians have wild savage mentality and have nothing to do with europe, they come from mountains around black sea (most likely present day turkey). How many times do i have to tell you?
(Ratko, 12 February 2016 16:07)

People like you, and there are many on B92, are the living prove on a daily basis, for anybody in the world, that not much has changed in Serbia since the days of the war criminal president Milosevic. You prove over and over again, that it was necessary to stop you. You still display that unbelievable hate and willingness to kill other ethnic groups out of an crazy blown up nationalistic idea, comparable to that of the Nazi's. That idea that you own it all, have a right to do whatever you want, disguised and blessed through some sick religious leaders, which even nowadays openly still call for war, like just again, only 2 month ago. Anybody in the West only can shake their heads and turns away in disgust reading this warmongering, openly racist, crap. You are willing to kill again, just like before, to fulfill your sick dreams, no matter how many people would die. You are no better than ISIS, maybe even worse. You never seem to learn, reflect on anything nasty you ever did. You only glorify a past, nobody in his or her right mind can posibly be proud of.

Ratko

pre 8 godina

@ jihadi gjon

stop spreading lies on the internet and writing nonsense every day. albanians have wild savage mentality and have nothing to do with europe, they come from mountains around black sea (most likely present day turkey). How many times do i have to tell you?

Donkey Hoxha

pre 8 godina

In the eyes of a beast we might look like peasents, but the truth is:

We are Sigfried, the dragon slayer.
(Gjon Marku, 12 February 2016 14:54)

The real truth is you sat around the region for two thousand years doing absolutely nothing. Migrations, civilizations, kingdoms, empires, and enlightenment passed you by completely. As other nations developed, "Albanians", a modern name for a group of ragtag hunters and gatherers, continued to be nothing more than a footnote. Hoxha knew Albanians had nothing by way of history, so he turned centuries of stagnation into a narrative of endurance - a narrative that Albanians believe with their whole hearts even though the rest of the world pays no attention and never bothered to fact check. Small wonder Albania, for it's long history, was the last country to form, had the weakest infrastructure, the most illiterate society, the most repressive form of communism, an economy based on Ponzi schemes, and the most inbred form of nationalism compared to all its neighbors.

You can't slay dragons when all you've done is herd rocks while the world ignores you.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

We got rid of the Ottomans, German's, Italian's, and Communist's, surely some peasant Shiptars, would be easy with no involvements from NATO,if we join NATO.
(Historian, 12 February 2016 13:51)

Actually, YOU didnt get rid of anything. Those peasant shiptars, as you call us, have been around for at least two thousend years. We survived the great Sllav horde in the first millenium. We survived the byzantine and the ottoman empire. We survived attempted genocide by Serbia in WWI and WWII. We survived Tito and Enver Hoxha in the last century and we survived Serbia (again!!) in the late 90ies. Serbs fleed from south to north when ottomans came and north to south when Nazis came. We stayed right where we are, like we always did.

In the eyes of a beast we might look like peasents, but the truth is:

We are Sigfried, the dragon slayer.

Historian

pre 8 godina

These are wet dreams of Serbian nationalist, but dreams are free so keep having them. You might wish another war in Balkans but no one else does. you cant move your army or MUP when 95% of population does not want you, they are there in north without uniform but not much good is it doing for you.

18y since the war eneded why Serbia has not asked to send some solderes back as it knows the reality except it needs Kosovo distraction for elections.
(Blind Profet, 12 February 2016 13:16)

If USA,change sides or opion(which they have a history of),Serb's can move the population, like you moved your Serb population out,We move your 95℅ across to Turkey ,where you originally came from.Serb's too would do that with period of time Go the radicals Seselj!!
We got rid of the Ottomans, German's, Italian's, and Communist's, surely some peasant Shiptars, would be easy with no involvements from NATO,if we join NATO.

Blind Profet

pre 8 godina

To Guest,
Don't worry,we Serb's will not miss KFOR,your MUP will fill the void,since NATO is leaving and will be busy in Syria, Libya,Afghanistan, Iraq,and Ukraine.
P'S don't forget UN has not recognise KiM,and Serb's MUP will move in and protect .
(sasa.p, 12 February 2016 12:21)

These are wet dreams of Serbian nationalist, but dreams are free so keep having them. You might wish another war in Balkans but no one else does. you cant move your army or MUP when 95% of population does not want you, they are there in north without uniform but not much good is it doing for you.

18y since the war eneded why Serbia has not asked to send some solderes back as it knows the reality except it needs Kosovo distraction for elections.

kosovocurse

pre 8 godina

They can't all fund military with debt like bankrupt Serbia does. And your dreams about repeating late 19s, with what exactly. Serbia is a poor aging country with a very bad infrastructure.

sasa.p

pre 8 godina

Serbs have complained about KFOR for so long, and now they sound like they will miss them. They're completely lost!
(Guest, 12 February 2016 10:24)

To Guest,
Don't worry,we Serb's will not miss KFOR,your MUP will fill the void,since NATO is leaving and will be busy in Syria, Libya,Afghanistan, Iraq,and Ukraine.
P'S don't forget UN has not recognise KiM,and Serb's MUP will move in and protect .

principa

pre 8 godina

If KFOR can't keep the peace I guess Serbia will have every right to act in protection of Serbia's sovereign rights given that there is no UN recognised 'Kosova'.

KFOR can't go soon enough as far as I am concerned they have in effect only enforced the expulsion of Serbians in their own UN recognised lands. In fact the basis of the "legality" of KFOR being in Serbia's southern province i.e. the Kumanovo treaty is dubious in legality since any treaty is void if its conclusion has been procured by the threat or use of force in violation of the principles of international law embodied in the Charter of the United Nations - as was the case of NATO bombardment. Camp bondsteel can stay for now though it may come in use should Serbia need it as it inevitably will - perhaps a joint Serbia-Russian camp would be an irony.

Amanaparts

pre 8 godina

KFOR will be reduced while FSK (Kosovo Security Forces), soon to be FAK (Kosovo Army), is being build up by KFOR and Nato to fill in the gaps. KFOR is going to retreat gradually. This process is going to be completed when Kosovo joins Nato. Leaving only Camp Bondsteel which will serve as Nato Base until eternity.

principa

pre 8 godina

If KFOR can't keep the peace I guess Serbia will have every right to act in protection of Serbia's sovereign rights given that there is no UN recognised 'Kosova'.

KFOR can't go soon enough as far as I am concerned they have in effect only enforced the expulsion of Serbians in their own UN recognised lands. In fact the basis of the "legality" of KFOR being in Serbia's southern province i.e. the Kumanovo treaty is dubious in legality since any treaty is void if its conclusion has been procured by the threat or use of force in violation of the principles of international law embodied in the Charter of the United Nations - as was the case of NATO bombardment. Camp bondsteel can stay for now though it may come in use should Serbia need it as it inevitably will - perhaps a joint Serbia-Russian camp would be an irony.

Historian

pre 8 godina

These are wet dreams of Serbian nationalist, but dreams are free so keep having them. You might wish another war in Balkans but no one else does. you cant move your army or MUP when 95% of population does not want you, they are there in north without uniform but not much good is it doing for you.

18y since the war eneded why Serbia has not asked to send some solderes back as it knows the reality except it needs Kosovo distraction for elections.
(Blind Profet, 12 February 2016 13:16)

If USA,change sides or opion(which they have a history of),Serb's can move the population, like you moved your Serb population out,We move your 95℅ across to Turkey ,where you originally came from.Serb's too would do that with period of time Go the radicals Seselj!!
We got rid of the Ottomans, German's, Italian's, and Communist's, surely some peasant Shiptars, would be easy with no involvements from NATO,if we join NATO.

Donkey Hoxha

pre 8 godina

In the eyes of a beast we might look like peasents, but the truth is:

We are Sigfried, the dragon slayer.
(Gjon Marku, 12 February 2016 14:54)

The real truth is you sat around the region for two thousand years doing absolutely nothing. Migrations, civilizations, kingdoms, empires, and enlightenment passed you by completely. As other nations developed, "Albanians", a modern name for a group of ragtag hunters and gatherers, continued to be nothing more than a footnote. Hoxha knew Albanians had nothing by way of history, so he turned centuries of stagnation into a narrative of endurance - a narrative that Albanians believe with their whole hearts even though the rest of the world pays no attention and never bothered to fact check. Small wonder Albania, for it's long history, was the last country to form, had the weakest infrastructure, the most illiterate society, the most repressive form of communism, an economy based on Ponzi schemes, and the most inbred form of nationalism compared to all its neighbors.

You can't slay dragons when all you've done is herd rocks while the world ignores you.

the actual truth

pre 8 godina

. We survived attempted genocide by Serbia in WWI and WWII.
(Gjon Marku, 12 February 2016 14:54)

That's funny considering Albania sat the First World War out and was never invaded by Serbia. History also seems to say that it was Albanians in Kosovo and northern Albania who harassed retreating Serb forces on their way to Corfu. Kind of hard for any "genocide" to take place.

Equally funny for World War II since Albania was under Italian occupation and Albanians in Kosovo were allied with Nazi Germany. Don't recall Serbs having the time to commit genocide on Albanians while they were being herded into Croatian death camps and chased out of Kosovo.

Are You this historically fictitious all the time?

Ratko

pre 8 godina

@ jihadi gjon

stop spreading lies on the internet and writing nonsense every day. albanians have wild savage mentality and have nothing to do with europe, they come from mountains around black sea (most likely present day turkey). How many times do i have to tell you?

Jugslavija

pre 8 godina

You still display that unbelievable hate and willingness to kill other ethnic groups out of an crazy blown up nationalistic idea, comparable to that of the Nazi's.
(observer, 12 February 2016 17:17)

You should observe that the Albanians were Nazi collaborators during WWII and declaring war against the US and its allied. You call the Serbs Nazi's who were one of the few countries in Europe who stood up against Hitler.

sasa.p

pre 8 godina

Serbs have complained about KFOR for so long, and now they sound like they will miss them. They're completely lost!
(Guest, 12 February 2016 10:24)

To Guest,
Don't worry,we Serb's will not miss KFOR,your MUP will fill the void,since NATO is leaving and will be busy in Syria, Libya,Afghanistan, Iraq,and Ukraine.
P'S don't forget UN has not recognise KiM,and Serb's MUP will move in and protect .

sasa.p

pre 8 godina

To Gjon Marku or Jihad Gjon,
You are from ADANA State in Turkey near Syria border!You arrived in the 1800's with red carpet and trumpet's playing ,by the Ottomans in Kosovo .
You never defeated any country on a one on one war. You Shqipire are great at hiding in mountains, because of looking after Herd's of Sheep's and Goat's(Your Shqipire experience at).
Their is no major war ,or major buildings, or major momentum's ,or any mention of the Shqiptars, Shqipire or Albanian's before 1800's,unless you hide and Sleeped in the mountains of Prokletije for 2000 years.
Jihad Gjon,stop spreading lies and writing fairytale stories.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

We got rid of the Ottomans, German's, Italian's, and Communist's, surely some peasant Shiptars, would be easy with no involvements from NATO,if we join NATO.
(Historian, 12 February 2016 13:51)

Actually, YOU didnt get rid of anything. Those peasant shiptars, as you call us, have been around for at least two thousend years. We survived the great Sllav horde in the first millenium. We survived the byzantine and the ottoman empire. We survived attempted genocide by Serbia in WWI and WWII. We survived Tito and Enver Hoxha in the last century and we survived Serbia (again!!) in the late 90ies. Serbs fleed from south to north when ottomans came and north to south when Nazis came. We stayed right where we are, like we always did.

In the eyes of a beast we might look like peasents, but the truth is:

We are Sigfried, the dragon slayer.

Blind Profet

pre 8 godina

To Guest,
Don't worry,we Serb's will not miss KFOR,your MUP will fill the void,since NATO is leaving and will be busy in Syria, Libya,Afghanistan, Iraq,and Ukraine.
P'S don't forget UN has not recognise KiM,and Serb's MUP will move in and protect .
(sasa.p, 12 February 2016 12:21)

These are wet dreams of Serbian nationalist, but dreams are free so keep having them. You might wish another war in Balkans but no one else does. you cant move your army or MUP when 95% of population does not want you, they are there in north without uniform but not much good is it doing for you.

18y since the war eneded why Serbia has not asked to send some solderes back as it knows the reality except it needs Kosovo distraction for elections.

Paul

pre 8 godina

One of the best ways to offend corrupt authority is to insist they fulfill their responsibilities. KFOR needs to constantly have its nose rubbed in the mess they created in Kosovo. It's their baby and need to take care of it or leave the job to somebody else.

Amanaparts

pre 8 godina

KFOR will be reduced while FSK (Kosovo Security Forces), soon to be FAK (Kosovo Army), is being build up by KFOR and Nato to fill in the gaps. KFOR is going to retreat gradually. This process is going to be completed when Kosovo joins Nato. Leaving only Camp Bondsteel which will serve as Nato Base until eternity.

Reader

pre 8 godina

The real truth is you sat around the region for two thousand years doing absolutely nothing.
(Donkey Hoxha, 12 February 2016 16:01)

Better to do nothing than to start wars after wars and be recognized by the whole world as warmongers and genocidal people. WWI: sparked by a Serb. Balkan wars twice in the last century: started by Serbs. The Hague tribunal for War Crimes: filled with Serbs. I would be ashamed to call this development, it is 1000 times more honorable to be hunter gatherers.

kosovocurse

pre 8 godina

They can't all fund military with debt like bankrupt Serbia does. And your dreams about repeating late 19s, with what exactly. Serbia is a poor aging country with a very bad infrastructure.

observer

pre 8 godina

stop spreading lies on the internet and writing nonsense every day. albanians have wild savage mentality and have nothing to do with europe, they come from mountains around black sea (most likely present day turkey). How many times do i have to tell you?
(Ratko, 12 February 2016 16:07)

People like you, and there are many on B92, are the living prove on a daily basis, for anybody in the world, that not much has changed in Serbia since the days of the war criminal president Milosevic. You prove over and over again, that it was necessary to stop you. You still display that unbelievable hate and willingness to kill other ethnic groups out of an crazy blown up nationalistic idea, comparable to that of the Nazi's. That idea that you own it all, have a right to do whatever you want, disguised and blessed through some sick religious leaders, which even nowadays openly still call for war, like just again, only 2 month ago. Anybody in the West only can shake their heads and turns away in disgust reading this warmongering, openly racist, crap. You are willing to kill again, just like before, to fulfill your sick dreams, no matter how many people would die. You are no better than ISIS, maybe even worse. You never seem to learn, reflect on anything nasty you ever did. You only glorify a past, nobody in his or her right mind can posibly be proud of.

Sam D

pre 8 godina

The last 18 years have one fact very clear and that is the EU did have an undisclosed motive for separating Kosovo from Serbia The reason being is by separating it keeps the Albanians from obtaining visa free travel Had Kosovo remained in its previous status the citizens would have enjoyed visa free travel throughout Europe

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

@Ratko, sasa.p, the actual truth, Jugoslavija

You dont have to believe me but perhaps you believe one of your own.

Quote:(...)The real truth is you sat around the region for two thousand years(...) - Donkey Hoxha, 12 February 2016 16:01

@Donkey: Thanks bro. You are on my team now :-)

icj1

pre 8 godina

You should observe that the Albanians were Nazi collaborators during WWII and declaring war against the US and its allied.
(Jugslavija, 12 February 2016 21:43)

Well, according to your logic, you should observe that the Serbs were Nazi collaborators during WWII by creating a government that collaborated with the Nazis.

I don't think that Serbs or Albanians (except few of them) were Nazi collaborators, but unfortunately your logic leads to that conclusion and I can't change your logic :)

Servian Goat Lovers

pre 8 godina

The real truth is you sat around the region for two thousand years doing absolutely nothing.
(Donkey Hoxha, 12 February 2016 16:01)

When Albanian Emperors ruled the Roman Empire Serbs were still learning how to make fire in the caves of Siberia. The only connection to the region you have is your partial Albanian blood from inter-marrying with Albanians. Be proud of it because that is your only connection to European history.
Albanians allowed you to settle their lands in the Balkans and they ruled you for centuries under the Ottoman Empire. You were lucky to gain some ground in Kosovo in the last century, so cherish that history because it's gone. We will rule you again just like we have done for centuries, because you are born to be our slaves. We gave you the name "serves".

IvanPN

pre 8 godina

Hey 'observer', I guess your rant goes out the window now that the 'servian goat herder' has had that to say.

Then funny part is, Serbs are at home in b92, its a Serb site and we are free to feel nationalistic.

By calling your self 'servian goat herder' the name implies that you are in fact servian.

If you want to hate properly, you should try making yourself seem less stupid,stupid.

BTW, there may have been tribes in lands to the southwest of Serbia, but every person can be sure they were wiped out centuries ago, by the people that settled that land. So any claim that Kalbs have to some ancestry is the biggest load of BS. There is nothing illyrian in Albanian, don't delude yourselves.

Donkey Hoxha

pre 8 godina

When Albanian Emperors ruled the Roman Empire Serbs were still learning how to make fire in the caves of Siberia.
(Servian Goat Lovers, 13 February 2016 04:48)

LOL so your answer is to take actual history and put "Albanian" in front of everything. I don't remember a single "Albanian" emperor. Neither does the world outside the Enver Hoxha Ministry of Truth. But good for you for at least trying to sound defiant :)

sj

pre 8 godina

(Servian Goat Lovers, 13 February 2016 04:48)

Yes they were all Albanians. Albanian Assyrians established the first writing then Albanian Egyptians built the pyramids, Albanian Persians ruled half the known world and naturally Albanians built the Acropolis and so it goes on and on.
And yet after thousands of years of Albanian civilisation in the Balkans, they left NOTHING not even a fountain that could be accredited to them. And with all of that civilisation they still have blood feuds to this day.
Albanians ruled no one. They were most commonly known as Turkish camp followers. While in the 21 century they fill EU prisons –Brits don’t like you guys at all.

Albanians are like Croats, inventing history because they never had one.

Donkey-vic

pre 8 godina

"Neither does the world outside the Enver Hoxha Ministry of Truth."
(Donkey)

Apparently you live in your own world, Donkey. Keep feeding yourself those lies from the Milloshevic Ministry of Truth. It will make you forget about the state of your shitty country and you will sleep better at night.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

@icj1

Are you just playing dumb? Do you deny that Albanian along with Italian soldiers invaded Greece? Do you deny that Albania declared war on the US? Yugoslavia did not invade any country during WW2, Nedic formed a national front government or the other option was rule by the Croatian Ustase who would have spread the genocide to Serbian civilians.

Tito spread the partisan movement to Albania, that does not equate Albanian Nazi state to an occupied Serbia.

If you want an equation and I know how math is a difficult subject for you, the Croatian Ustase state equals the Albanian Nazi state during WW2.

As a side note, my Greek great grandparents took thousands of gutless Albanian invaders along with Italians when they tried to invade Greece in 1941. King Zog was granted access to Greece or he would have been killed by the Albanian fascists. You still think Italy invaded Albania! Wrong , it was a coup de etat using the Italian army to put the Albanian fascists in power.

Looking forward to your baseless foolish retort.

Servian Goat Lovers

pre 8 godina

(sj, 15 February 2016 10:02)

Since you have no history and no culture you like to say your neighbors don't have any either. The only "ancient" heritage you claim are no more than a dozen medieval churches. No ancient cities, no civilization, only a dozen churches, and even those are copies of Illyrian and Byzantine heritage. Only the village of Voskopoja in Albania has more ancient orthodox churches than the entire Serbian nation!! :) On top of that we have not only much more religious architecture, but also ancient cities, architecture, proof of civilization. Most of your "heritage" consists of Chetnik memorabilia and mass graves.

You can say that Albanians didn't rule anything all you want, but history proves otherwise. Every province of the Ottoman Empire was at some point ruled by Albanians. Albanians had the highest positions within the Empire and established centuries old monarchies and ruling castes from Romania to Egypt. Ottoman history is filled of powerful and high achieving Albanians. Again, your barbarian Serbian tribes didn't have any meaningful achievements and all you can do now is to try to deny the history of others. There is still time for Serbs to actually achieve something, but you'd rather spend your days planning your next ethnic cleansing than actually achieving anything.

icj1

pre 8 godina

You should observe that the Albanians were Nazi collaborators during WWII and declaring war against the US and its allied.
(Jugslavija, 12 February 2016 21:43)

Well, according to your logic, you should observe that the Serbs were Nazi collaborators during WWII by creating a government that collaborated with the Nazis.
(icj1, 13 February 2016 03:22)

Are you just playing dumb?
(Jugoslavija, 15 February 2016 01:16)

Well, I just used the logic of a certain Jugoslavija. If his/her logic is dumb, as you say, there isn't much I can do :)

sj

pre 8 godina

(Servian Goat Lovers, 16 February 2016 03:52)

As I said before the ancient cities were built by Albanian Romans/Greeks. Funny how history textbooks don’t mention that great Albanian people nor ruling its castes.
As I said before if Albanians and the Croats could package your BS you would make a fortune. What does not belong to you don’t take it on as your history. My daughter teaches mediaeval European history and she has never heard of “Albanians had the highest positions within the Empire and established centuries old monarchies and ruling castes from Romania to Egypt. Ottoman history is filled of powerful and high achieving Albanians.”
However, she has heard of Telsa, Pupin and Milankovic. While I can say that the only thing I have heard about Albanians is they fill EU prisons.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

We got rid of the Ottomans, German's, Italian's, and Communist's, surely some peasant Shiptars, would be easy with no involvements from NATO,if we join NATO.
(Historian, 12 February 2016 13:51)

Actually, YOU didnt get rid of anything. Those peasant shiptars, as you call us, have been around for at least two thousend years. We survived the great Sllav horde in the first millenium. We survived the byzantine and the ottoman empire. We survived attempted genocide by Serbia in WWI and WWII. We survived Tito and Enver Hoxha in the last century and we survived Serbia (again!!) in the late 90ies. Serbs fleed from south to north when ottomans came and north to south when Nazis came. We stayed right where we are, like we always did.

In the eyes of a beast we might look like peasents, but the truth is:

We are Sigfried, the dragon slayer.

Historian

pre 8 godina

These are wet dreams of Serbian nationalist, but dreams are free so keep having them. You might wish another war in Balkans but no one else does. you cant move your army or MUP when 95% of population does not want you, they are there in north without uniform but not much good is it doing for you.

18y since the war eneded why Serbia has not asked to send some solderes back as it knows the reality except it needs Kosovo distraction for elections.
(Blind Profet, 12 February 2016 13:16)

If USA,change sides or opion(which they have a history of),Serb's can move the population, like you moved your Serb population out,We move your 95℅ across to Turkey ,where you originally came from.Serb's too would do that with period of time Go the radicals Seselj!!
We got rid of the Ottomans, German's, Italian's, and Communist's, surely some peasant Shiptars, would be easy with no involvements from NATO,if we join NATO.

Amanaparts

pre 8 godina

KFOR will be reduced while FSK (Kosovo Security Forces), soon to be FAK (Kosovo Army), is being build up by KFOR and Nato to fill in the gaps. KFOR is going to retreat gradually. This process is going to be completed when Kosovo joins Nato. Leaving only Camp Bondsteel which will serve as Nato Base until eternity.

kosovocurse

pre 8 godina

They can't all fund military with debt like bankrupt Serbia does. And your dreams about repeating late 19s, with what exactly. Serbia is a poor aging country with a very bad infrastructure.

Donkey Hoxha

pre 8 godina

In the eyes of a beast we might look like peasents, but the truth is:

We are Sigfried, the dragon slayer.
(Gjon Marku, 12 February 2016 14:54)

The real truth is you sat around the region for two thousand years doing absolutely nothing. Migrations, civilizations, kingdoms, empires, and enlightenment passed you by completely. As other nations developed, "Albanians", a modern name for a group of ragtag hunters and gatherers, continued to be nothing more than a footnote. Hoxha knew Albanians had nothing by way of history, so he turned centuries of stagnation into a narrative of endurance - a narrative that Albanians believe with their whole hearts even though the rest of the world pays no attention and never bothered to fact check. Small wonder Albania, for it's long history, was the last country to form, had the weakest infrastructure, the most illiterate society, the most repressive form of communism, an economy based on Ponzi schemes, and the most inbred form of nationalism compared to all its neighbors.

You can't slay dragons when all you've done is herd rocks while the world ignores you.

Reader

pre 8 godina

The real truth is you sat around the region for two thousand years doing absolutely nothing.
(Donkey Hoxha, 12 February 2016 16:01)

Better to do nothing than to start wars after wars and be recognized by the whole world as warmongers and genocidal people. WWI: sparked by a Serb. Balkan wars twice in the last century: started by Serbs. The Hague tribunal for War Crimes: filled with Serbs. I would be ashamed to call this development, it is 1000 times more honorable to be hunter gatherers.

Blind Profet

pre 8 godina

To Guest,
Don't worry,we Serb's will not miss KFOR,your MUP will fill the void,since NATO is leaving and will be busy in Syria, Libya,Afghanistan, Iraq,and Ukraine.
P'S don't forget UN has not recognise KiM,and Serb's MUP will move in and protect .
(sasa.p, 12 February 2016 12:21)

These are wet dreams of Serbian nationalist, but dreams are free so keep having them. You might wish another war in Balkans but no one else does. you cant move your army or MUP when 95% of population does not want you, they are there in north without uniform but not much good is it doing for you.

18y since the war eneded why Serbia has not asked to send some solderes back as it knows the reality except it needs Kosovo distraction for elections.

sasa.p

pre 8 godina

To Gjon Marku or Jihad Gjon,
You are from ADANA State in Turkey near Syria border!You arrived in the 1800's with red carpet and trumpet's playing ,by the Ottomans in Kosovo .
You never defeated any country on a one on one war. You Shqipire are great at hiding in mountains, because of looking after Herd's of Sheep's and Goat's(Your Shqipire experience at).
Their is no major war ,or major buildings, or major momentum's ,or any mention of the Shqiptars, Shqipire or Albanian's before 1800's,unless you hide and Sleeped in the mountains of Prokletije for 2000 years.
Jihad Gjon,stop spreading lies and writing fairytale stories.

Servian Goat Lovers

pre 8 godina

The real truth is you sat around the region for two thousand years doing absolutely nothing.
(Donkey Hoxha, 12 February 2016 16:01)

When Albanian Emperors ruled the Roman Empire Serbs were still learning how to make fire in the caves of Siberia. The only connection to the region you have is your partial Albanian blood from inter-marrying with Albanians. Be proud of it because that is your only connection to European history.
Albanians allowed you to settle their lands in the Balkans and they ruled you for centuries under the Ottoman Empire. You were lucky to gain some ground in Kosovo in the last century, so cherish that history because it's gone. We will rule you again just like we have done for centuries, because you are born to be our slaves. We gave you the name "serves".

Ratko

pre 8 godina

@ jihadi gjon

stop spreading lies on the internet and writing nonsense every day. albanians have wild savage mentality and have nothing to do with europe, they come from mountains around black sea (most likely present day turkey). How many times do i have to tell you?

observer

pre 8 godina

stop spreading lies on the internet and writing nonsense every day. albanians have wild savage mentality and have nothing to do with europe, they come from mountains around black sea (most likely present day turkey). How many times do i have to tell you?
(Ratko, 12 February 2016 16:07)

People like you, and there are many on B92, are the living prove on a daily basis, for anybody in the world, that not much has changed in Serbia since the days of the war criminal president Milosevic. You prove over and over again, that it was necessary to stop you. You still display that unbelievable hate and willingness to kill other ethnic groups out of an crazy blown up nationalistic idea, comparable to that of the Nazi's. That idea that you own it all, have a right to do whatever you want, disguised and blessed through some sick religious leaders, which even nowadays openly still call for war, like just again, only 2 month ago. Anybody in the West only can shake their heads and turns away in disgust reading this warmongering, openly racist, crap. You are willing to kill again, just like before, to fulfill your sick dreams, no matter how many people would die. You are no better than ISIS, maybe even worse. You never seem to learn, reflect on anything nasty you ever did. You only glorify a past, nobody in his or her right mind can posibly be proud of.

icj1

pre 8 godina

You should observe that the Albanians were Nazi collaborators during WWII and declaring war against the US and its allied.
(Jugslavija, 12 February 2016 21:43)

Well, according to your logic, you should observe that the Serbs were Nazi collaborators during WWII by creating a government that collaborated with the Nazis.

I don't think that Serbs or Albanians (except few of them) were Nazi collaborators, but unfortunately your logic leads to that conclusion and I can't change your logic :)

the actual truth

pre 8 godina

. We survived attempted genocide by Serbia in WWI and WWII.
(Gjon Marku, 12 February 2016 14:54)

That's funny considering Albania sat the First World War out and was never invaded by Serbia. History also seems to say that it was Albanians in Kosovo and northern Albania who harassed retreating Serb forces on their way to Corfu. Kind of hard for any "genocide" to take place.

Equally funny for World War II since Albania was under Italian occupation and Albanians in Kosovo were allied with Nazi Germany. Don't recall Serbs having the time to commit genocide on Albanians while they were being herded into Croatian death camps and chased out of Kosovo.

Are You this historically fictitious all the time?

Sam D

pre 8 godina

The last 18 years have one fact very clear and that is the EU did have an undisclosed motive for separating Kosovo from Serbia The reason being is by separating it keeps the Albanians from obtaining visa free travel Had Kosovo remained in its previous status the citizens would have enjoyed visa free travel throughout Europe

sasa.p

pre 8 godina

Serbs have complained about KFOR for so long, and now they sound like they will miss them. They're completely lost!
(Guest, 12 February 2016 10:24)

To Guest,
Don't worry,we Serb's will not miss KFOR,your MUP will fill the void,since NATO is leaving and will be busy in Syria, Libya,Afghanistan, Iraq,and Ukraine.
P'S don't forget UN has not recognise KiM,and Serb's MUP will move in and protect .

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

@Ratko, sasa.p, the actual truth, Jugoslavija

You dont have to believe me but perhaps you believe one of your own.

Quote:(...)The real truth is you sat around the region for two thousand years(...) - Donkey Hoxha, 12 February 2016 16:01

@Donkey: Thanks bro. You are on my team now :-)

Jugslavija

pre 8 godina

You still display that unbelievable hate and willingness to kill other ethnic groups out of an crazy blown up nationalistic idea, comparable to that of the Nazi's.
(observer, 12 February 2016 17:17)

You should observe that the Albanians were Nazi collaborators during WWII and declaring war against the US and its allied. You call the Serbs Nazi's who were one of the few countries in Europe who stood up against Hitler.

principa

pre 8 godina

If KFOR can't keep the peace I guess Serbia will have every right to act in protection of Serbia's sovereign rights given that there is no UN recognised 'Kosova'.

KFOR can't go soon enough as far as I am concerned they have in effect only enforced the expulsion of Serbians in their own UN recognised lands. In fact the basis of the "legality" of KFOR being in Serbia's southern province i.e. the Kumanovo treaty is dubious in legality since any treaty is void if its conclusion has been procured by the threat or use of force in violation of the principles of international law embodied in the Charter of the United Nations - as was the case of NATO bombardment. Camp bondsteel can stay for now though it may come in use should Serbia need it as it inevitably will - perhaps a joint Serbia-Russian camp would be an irony.

Paul

pre 8 godina

One of the best ways to offend corrupt authority is to insist they fulfill their responsibilities. KFOR needs to constantly have its nose rubbed in the mess they created in Kosovo. It's their baby and need to take care of it or leave the job to somebody else.

Donkey Hoxha

pre 8 godina

When Albanian Emperors ruled the Roman Empire Serbs were still learning how to make fire in the caves of Siberia.
(Servian Goat Lovers, 13 February 2016 04:48)

LOL so your answer is to take actual history and put "Albanian" in front of everything. I don't remember a single "Albanian" emperor. Neither does the world outside the Enver Hoxha Ministry of Truth. But good for you for at least trying to sound defiant :)

IvanPN

pre 8 godina

Hey 'observer', I guess your rant goes out the window now that the 'servian goat herder' has had that to say.

Then funny part is, Serbs are at home in b92, its a Serb site and we are free to feel nationalistic.

By calling your self 'servian goat herder' the name implies that you are in fact servian.

If you want to hate properly, you should try making yourself seem less stupid,stupid.

BTW, there may have been tribes in lands to the southwest of Serbia, but every person can be sure they were wiped out centuries ago, by the people that settled that land. So any claim that Kalbs have to some ancestry is the biggest load of BS. There is nothing illyrian in Albanian, don't delude yourselves.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

@icj1

Are you just playing dumb? Do you deny that Albanian along with Italian soldiers invaded Greece? Do you deny that Albania declared war on the US? Yugoslavia did not invade any country during WW2, Nedic formed a national front government or the other option was rule by the Croatian Ustase who would have spread the genocide to Serbian civilians.

Tito spread the partisan movement to Albania, that does not equate Albanian Nazi state to an occupied Serbia.

If you want an equation and I know how math is a difficult subject for you, the Croatian Ustase state equals the Albanian Nazi state during WW2.

As a side note, my Greek great grandparents took thousands of gutless Albanian invaders along with Italians when they tried to invade Greece in 1941. King Zog was granted access to Greece or he would have been killed by the Albanian fascists. You still think Italy invaded Albania! Wrong , it was a coup de etat using the Italian army to put the Albanian fascists in power.

Looking forward to your baseless foolish retort.

Donkey-vic

pre 8 godina

"Neither does the world outside the Enver Hoxha Ministry of Truth."
(Donkey)

Apparently you live in your own world, Donkey. Keep feeding yourself those lies from the Milloshevic Ministry of Truth. It will make you forget about the state of your shitty country and you will sleep better at night.

sj

pre 8 godina

(Servian Goat Lovers, 13 February 2016 04:48)

Yes they were all Albanians. Albanian Assyrians established the first writing then Albanian Egyptians built the pyramids, Albanian Persians ruled half the known world and naturally Albanians built the Acropolis and so it goes on and on.
And yet after thousands of years of Albanian civilisation in the Balkans, they left NOTHING not even a fountain that could be accredited to them. And with all of that civilisation they still have blood feuds to this day.
Albanians ruled no one. They were most commonly known as Turkish camp followers. While in the 21 century they fill EU prisons –Brits don’t like you guys at all.

Albanians are like Croats, inventing history because they never had one.

Servian Goat Lovers

pre 8 godina

(sj, 15 February 2016 10:02)

Since you have no history and no culture you like to say your neighbors don't have any either. The only "ancient" heritage you claim are no more than a dozen medieval churches. No ancient cities, no civilization, only a dozen churches, and even those are copies of Illyrian and Byzantine heritage. Only the village of Voskopoja in Albania has more ancient orthodox churches than the entire Serbian nation!! :) On top of that we have not only much more religious architecture, but also ancient cities, architecture, proof of civilization. Most of your "heritage" consists of Chetnik memorabilia and mass graves.

You can say that Albanians didn't rule anything all you want, but history proves otherwise. Every province of the Ottoman Empire was at some point ruled by Albanians. Albanians had the highest positions within the Empire and established centuries old monarchies and ruling castes from Romania to Egypt. Ottoman history is filled of powerful and high achieving Albanians. Again, your barbarian Serbian tribes didn't have any meaningful achievements and all you can do now is to try to deny the history of others. There is still time for Serbs to actually achieve something, but you'd rather spend your days planning your next ethnic cleansing than actually achieving anything.

icj1

pre 8 godina

You should observe that the Albanians were Nazi collaborators during WWII and declaring war against the US and its allied.
(Jugslavija, 12 February 2016 21:43)

Well, according to your logic, you should observe that the Serbs were Nazi collaborators during WWII by creating a government that collaborated with the Nazis.
(icj1, 13 February 2016 03:22)

Are you just playing dumb?
(Jugoslavija, 15 February 2016 01:16)

Well, I just used the logic of a certain Jugoslavija. If his/her logic is dumb, as you say, there isn't much I can do :)

sj

pre 8 godina

(Servian Goat Lovers, 16 February 2016 03:52)

As I said before the ancient cities were built by Albanian Romans/Greeks. Funny how history textbooks don’t mention that great Albanian people nor ruling its castes.
As I said before if Albanians and the Croats could package your BS you would make a fortune. What does not belong to you don’t take it on as your history. My daughter teaches mediaeval European history and she has never heard of “Albanians had the highest positions within the Empire and established centuries old monarchies and ruling castes from Romania to Egypt. Ottoman history is filled of powerful and high achieving Albanians.”
However, she has heard of Telsa, Pupin and Milankovic. While I can say that the only thing I have heard about Albanians is they fill EU prisons.