PM tells Hague Tribunal "to learn to respect Serbia"

Bravo Vucic! It's about time that someone told the Hague that they are out of line. Perhaps Serbia can extradite Hague staff and put them on trial in Serbia for this.

"On the other hand, the kind of disrespect shown toward Serbia yesterday (Wednesday) is incomprehensible and impermissible," he concluded.

Why are you brown nosing them then you fool! They have humiliated Serbia, are humiliating it, and will continue to humiliate. Serbia has no business with the west. Stop trying to sit on two seats, it's just not working! Russia, China and the BRICS are the future. Try and get a Belarus status with Russia, and in the end, Serbia will be further ahead rather than with defunct EU/US hypocrites.

Self pitying pathetic idiots. And they wonder why the world hates them.
(The Count of Kosova, 11 February 2016 17:42)

The world hates us??? Is that why you're not allowed to travel freely without a visa?

oh dear, so sensitive these Serbian officials. stopped mid-sentence? treated with rudeness? did they have to run to the corridor and cry? what adults have we here? pathetic.

"PM tells Hague Tribunal "to learn to respect Serbia""

Haha, it looks like it's elections time in Serbia.
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"Somebody must provide us with the answer to the question why a man has died in detention," Vucic said.

Well, a man convicted to life in prison would normally die in.... yes, you got it, in prison. Where did Vucic expect him to die?!
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"And then we'll continue to talk in line with the laws of Serbia," Vucic added.

This guy is totally lost! Does he have any advisors, at least? Serbia's talk to ICTY has to be in line with UNSCR 827... Serbia's law is irrelevant.
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""Nobody will humiliate Serbia, including the Hague Tribunal," he said."

There is no need for that. Serbia does a great job already humiliating itself!
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"On the other hand, the kind of disrespect shown toward Serbia yesterday (Wednesday) is incomprehensible and impermissible," he concluded.

Oh, the heroic and macho Serbs are so sensitive. I wonder what they would do if there were actually attacked! What is this thing that ICTY did that has a good part of the Serb government up in arms?! lol

To C*unt of Kosovo or whatever,
Yes,the world hates them(Serb) you quote,but wants to invest in business and infrastructure in Serbia.I mean EU,USA,Russia,Arabs,China,Belarus, South America etc,all visiting Belgrade. The world loves you Shqiptars, but don't invest in large volumes,only in peanut's term's, in Pristina and Tirana,what a Weird world you say!.
P'S who does the world love,and need at the outcome.

Self pitying pathetic idiots. And they wonder why the world hates them.

Banana Court.

Bought and paid for.

Half the writings below are banana thoughts (and probably half of those are bought and paid for too)

Or else 100 hague judges will pay for every serb. You were there budfy and advocated murder on millions of people, now you want others to respect you after 20 years!? Get real!

When it comes to the SRS officials wanted by the tribunal, Vucic said the charges against them pertained to "small acts, that carry with them sentences of several months (in jail) - because these are not war crimes."

Nobody said that these three gentlemen who intimidated, bribed and influenced witnesses in the case against Seslj committed any war crimes. But it seems Serbia prefers to protect those people, and failed to extradite them for more than a year.

Respect- For a country that committed the worst genocidal act since WW2..... No way !

Tough luck mate.

The Hague was never there to make you happy.

On the contrary.

It was there to give consequences to criminals, and messages to people like you.

You won't get an apology. You will be expected to conform.

You won't get any sympathy. It was inappropriate Serb nationalism destroyed that.

It's a court - you will have to respect that or lose a lot more.

If you feel humilitated, that is more a statement about your psychology.

Diplomatically, you are digging a hole for yourself.

Politically you are acting-up in order to deceive Serbs to vote for you.

In all respects your little outburst is weak and very unimpressive.
(Bob, 11 February 2016 19:21) # Comment link


Just curious but have any western leaders or military members been sent to this court for all the damages they have done to the middle east???

Tough luck mate.

The Hague was never there to make you happy.

On the contrary.

It was there to give consequences to criminals, and messages to people like you.

You won't get an apology. You will be expected to conform.

You won't get any sympathy. It was inappropriate Serb nationalism destroyed that.

It's a court - you will have to respect that or lose a lot more.

If you feel humilitated, that is more a statement about your psychology.

Diplomatically, you are digging a hole for yourself.

Politically you are acting-up in order to deceive Serbs to vote for you.

In all respects your little outburst is weak and very unimpressive.

(Reader, 11 February 2016 18:58) 1. Serbia requests that Seselj be released on grounds of ill health.
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To the Reader who can't read: Serbia never requested Seselj's release. If you read the record, the government of Serbia actually requested a condition to Seselj's release that the ICTY did not fulfill. Seselj was released without receiving any conditions.

(Reader) 2. ICTY respects Serbia and grants the request provided Seselj returns to the Hague when needed.
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For the illiterate Reader: Serbia, in fact, requested the ICTY and the accused agree to predefined conditions prior to release. The ICTY disrespected and ignored Serbia's request.

(Reader) 3. Serbia completely disrespects the ICTy by not returning Seselj as agreed.
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Since you can't read; have someone explain to you that ICTY and Serbia didn't agree on the release.

4. ICTY requests for the extradition of officials who intimidated witnesses.
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You obviously didn't read Nenad Jovic's testimony from 6 July 2010 where he swore that intimidation and bribery were threats and intimidation from the ICTYs OTP officials.

5. Serbia completely disrespects the ICTY by not extraditing them.
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The OTP criminals identified by the witness are already in The Hague.

6. Serbia asks for respect that it never gave.
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The ICTY disrespects itself & justice. Expectations of any other respect is foolish.

The "Reader's" self humiliation continues.

(icj1, 12 February 2016 15:41) Information really takes time to travel to Serbia!!!
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Please educate yourself and learn that Serbia offered to conduct a hearing and judge those responsible for this witness' intimidation more than one year ago. Witness Jovic provided evidence that the OTP perpetrated this crime and ICTY's absurd response was an infantile and baseless counter claim against the defense team.

(icj1) Please provide the evidence that the Court determined beyond reasonable doubt that the above crime was committed. Otherwise it remains just a ALLEGED.
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Serbia offered to review ALL the evidence and provide the judicial determination. Since the evidence directly implicate crimes by the ICTY versus allegations by the ICTY the crimes were committed by defense counsel, an unbiased evaluation of evidence could only be conducted by an appropriate third party. Yes, we understand you and other ICTY apologists only recognize biased judges.

(icj1) Well, few people would recognize "evidence" that has not been determined to be credible evidence beyond reasonable doubt, at least until you provide proof that that determination was made.
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Yes, there is absolutely no proof to substantiate the allegations by the ICTY that defense counsel intimidated anyone. In fact, the evidence indicates that the ICTY actually committed the crimes. The facts in the ICTY's own records support a prima faceia case AGAINST the ICTY.

Half the writings below are banana thoughts (and probably half of those are bought and paid for too)
(factman, 11 February 2016 19:55)

Since you did not provide any argument to support what you wrote, it means that your writing is banana thought :)

Nobody will humiliate Serbia? Well a good example, as long as Serbian cival leaders continue to entertain degenerates like Tony Blair by inviting him to Beograd for tea parties, how will any one in the world have any respect for us? How does any Serbian expect to be treated by the Hague, does not take rocket science to figure it out, Eastern Orthodox Christianity is always the gulity and the sentence is death! This evil and wicked hatred of Eastern Orthodox Christianity by the Arayan race, I have tried to understand WHY all my life and the only conclusion is that it is a Satanic thing! What else can I call it, how wicked and so cruel and evil to have a profound desire to murder the innocent ones who love Divinity! What sickness is that to destroy and murder a race of people only that they pray and believe in the Eastern Orthodox Christian faith? That is all it is, we Eastern Orthodox Christians are only objects with a big bulls eye on our heads! So we Serbian people a relatively small nation and population in Europe surrounded by the demonic vultures who sink their wicked claws on our shoulders and just wait for any reason to abuse us! With out Mother Russia our Serbian nation will not survive, now is the most dangerious time in known history for all Eastern Orthodox Christianity in the world! With out the complete bonding with Russia the vultures will hack at us untill none of us are left alive! The only survival for Serbia is Full Unity with Mother Russia!!!

The ICTY, at its core, has demonstrated a supreme contempt for any concept of justice. The expectation that this "theatre of the absurd" would have any trace of respect for innocent Yugoslav victims is ....yes, laughable.

(icj1, 11 February 2016 14:56) What is this thing that ICTY did that has a good part of the Serb government up in arms?!

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Read the ICTY transcript of Nenad Jovic's sworn testimony from 6 July 2010 that recounts the ICTY OTP officials' threats against him and his children. This crime of witness intimidation was further exacerbated with disgusting bribes promising prostitutes (who operate legally in the Netherlands) in return for his false statements against the accused. Note that Jovic is the PROSECUTOR'S witness, who identified the crimes and exposed the dark depths of corruption that constitute the ICTY. Blind and deaf ICTY apologists refuse to even read or recognize this evidence and foolishly ask why innocent Yugoslavs are "up in arms".

(icj1) Well, few people would recognize "evidence" that has not been determined to be credible evidence beyond reasonable doubt, at least until you provide proof that that determination was made.
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Thank you for agreeing with Vucic and the Serbian government that the allegations against the defence team is not credible. The available evidence presented in court records on 6 July 2010 actually implicated the ICTY as perpetrators of this crime.

1. Serbia requests that Seselj be released on grounds of ill health.
2. ICTY respects Serbia and grants the request provided Seselj returns to the Hague when needed.
3. Serbia completely disrespects the ICTy by not returning Seselj as agreed.
4. ICTY requests for the extradition of officials who intimidated witnesses.
5. Serbia completely disrespects the ICTY by not extraditing them.
6. Serbia asks for respect that it never gave.
7. Serbian politicians again miss the occasion to learn that arrogance does not pay.

"Banana Court.
Bought and paid for.
Half the writings below are banana thoughts (and probably half of those are bought and paid for too)"

oh dear me....banana court...it holds a lot of sway however. it has imprisoned those it has convicted. it is a court that Serbia will still have to comply with. so whilst you think you have some sort of moral victory here, the court will carry on with its proceedings and Serbia has little choice but to get along with it.
as for bona thoughts being paid for, no idea what you're trying to say and I highly doubt that you know either.

The war criminals ask the court to show them respect? This has to be the joke of the day.

@icj1

I know your first language is Albanian and your favourite word is "dear" I understand that your lack of English, analytical and mathematical skills are atrocious. But if you want to make a contribution that actually makes sense, read The Hague tribunal transcripts instead of making stupid comments constantly with no support. You can read some English "dear"?

A Banana Court who's time has come and gone.

Serbia is far enough down the path of european re-integration where this banana court can do nothing to it.

The only thing Serbia needs to do is:

1. Continue to liberalise and grow its economy so that it becomes one of the engines of economic growth in a region which lacks enough of them, while also providing a sizeable market for western companies to growtheir balance sheets.

2. Help the EU ease the migrant situation in a humanitarian way

3. Vigilantly fight the democratic battle against global Islamic terrorism

4. Continue to normalise relations with K

if they do these things, no one cares what the Banana Court has to say.

It has already acheived its political objective.

It never really was about justice.

Hahahah! I beg you to please try to retake Kosovo! Try it!
I cannot wait to see the Albanian flag hanging on top of the Belgrade fortress and kick you barbarian cannibals back to mother Russia where you belong.
(Genti, 13 February 2016 04:55)

Looks like an albo troll is in a panic mode. If it's a question of Serbs vs the albanians, I think you know what the outcome would be. You'd be pushed back to the Adriatic. Just with our elders and children we can do the job. As always, big talk on the expense of someone else. Remember Kosovo was handed over to you by the US, you did not win it. If I recall right, in 1999 you albo trash were on trains being shipped back to your homeland until the US interfered. That's when the playing field was even. You are no match for us and you know it, so take the opportunity and vent out before the inevitable arrives. Kosovo will be retaken it's just a matter of time when all the right conditions are in place.

Talking of traveling and living abroad. Why do Serbs go to the same western countries that bombed them and not "mother Russia"?

You won't get an apology. You will be expected to conform.

(Bob, 11 February 2016 19:21)

And what if he doesn't? The ICTY loses its meaning if Serbia isn't even cooperating with it. This is something that should have happened many years ago. If anyone committed war crimes against civilians then they should face the consequences. But a disgusting accuse for a court of law such as the ICTY should not receive any more respect or even acknowledgement. It would be great for Serbia to start denouncing unjust Hague rulings and refuse any more further cooperation.

And if that happens, you will pout as will more powerful Serbophobes. But nothing of substance will happen to Serbia.

Self pitying pathetic idiots. And they wonder why the world hates them.
(The Count of Kosova, 11 February 2016 17:42)
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So now you speak for the entire world.
Which countries do you lump into this world? I live in a world where majority of it's inhabitants actually side with Serbs and have friendly relations. You must live in some crazy Albanian version of the world which eliminates all these people.

Nobody said that these three gentlemen who intimidated, bribed and influenced witnesses in the case against Seslj committed any war crimes. But it seems Serbia prefers to protect those people, and failed to extradite them for more than a year.
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 February 2016 17:24)
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No problem. When "Kosova" extradites people responsible for murdering witnesses for Serbian side then they can ask Serbia to give any more of their own up.
Why should Serbia stay in this game when the rules are clearly stacked up against her? Would you?

"Just curious but have any western leaders or military members been sent to this court for all the damages they have done to the middle east??"

...and why would they? This court, meaning the one in the Hague, does not deal with crimes in the Middle East, it deals with crimes carried out in what was former Yugoslavia.

(???, 12 February 2016 09:38)

Well, the answer to your question lies in the name of the court: ICTY

International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia.

I don't think the "International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia" will be hearing any cases related to the middle east.

"The only survival for Serbia is Full Unity with Mother Russia!!!"
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 12 February 2016 02:29)

I couldn't agree more!! I have shared the same sentiments on many of my posts. The problem is that we don't have the political "spine." Our politicians are gutless corrupt cowards to say the least. I vomit every time I hear Vucic mention that "America is a friend of Serbia." The way he brown noses the former US ambassador, Kirby. How pathetic!! Meanwhile, Russia, a fledging economic and a super power, is waiting with open arms. Here's our chance to retake Kosovo! These are not the times of Boris Yeltsin, a drunken bastard who humiliated Russia and betrayed the Serbs. The players and the political landscape have changed. Europe would not have the stomach to see another Nato intervention and the US would think twice because Uncle Vlad is in power. Look Ukraine and Syria, Russia put its foot down and the mighty US can't do anything about it. Now is the time to unite with Mother Russia. Pursuing the bankrupt EU is just a myth. The US/EU have no real intentions of ever admitting Serbia into the fold. They just want to impose more ridiculous conditions which were never requested from any other EU member, only to dismember, humiliate, and disintegrate us to capitulation. God bless Seselj, Dveri, DSS and the SRS. They should all unite and put Serbia back on the map!!

Self pitying pathetic idiots. And they wonder why the world hates them.
(The Count of Kosova, 11 February 2016 17:42)

It's not too late amigo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54pQyUPy9WM


It's Never Too Late
Steppenwolf

Your eyes are moist, you scream and shout
As though you were a man possessed
From deep inside comes rushing forth
All the anguish you suppressed
Upon your wall hangs your degree
Your parents craved so much for you
And though you're trained to make your mark

You still don't quite know what to do
It's never to late to start all over again
To love the people you caused the pain
And help them learn your name
Oh, no, not too late
It's never too late to start all over again

Well, it's much too late to start again
To try and find a little bliss
So on your woman and your child
You release your bitterness
You drift apart some more each day
You feel the guilt and loneliness
And the God of your childhood you can't find
To save you from your emptiness
It's never… Full lyrics on Google Play

Hahahah! I beg you to please try to retake Kosovo! Try it!
I cannot wait to see the Albanian flag hanging on top of the Belgrade fortress and kick you barbarian cannibals back to mother Russia where you belong.
(Genti, 13 February 2016 04:55)

Tomorrow is Valentine's Day. It's a day for celebrating love and giving.

As a token of my appreciation to a chosen group of Albanians that frequent this site, I would love to take y'all on magic carpet ride, or a Turkish kilim, which ever y'all prefer.

Also, Genti, you can bring your Albanian flag with you so you can hang it on top of my fortress
and pretend that's hanging on the top of the Belgrade fortress. The rest of you can bring your pizzas and some coke. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6m5xTR0UVo

P.S. I can't wait.

(icj1, 13 February 2016 03:32) So far, the evidence of the crime that ICTY has allegedly perpetrated is because a certain Amnesty Yugoslavia said so!
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Dude, if you had read the ICTY transcript from 6 July 2010, you would have realized that Amnesty Yugoslavia did not testify or say anything. The court transcript has the testimony of the prosecution's witness, namely one Nenad Jovic. You may wish to remove yourself from whatever fairytale your warped mind occupies and recognize the absurdities if your statements.

(icj1, 13 February 2016 03:54) said education did not change the time that it took for the information about Nenad Jovic's sworn testimony to reach Vucic, who only this week realized that he must protest about it lol

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The Sebian government has been offering to hear all the evidence regarding ICTYs criminal threats, intiminidation and blackmails of Nenad Jovic for more than a year. The latest protest was in specific response to the ICTY's Feb 10th 2016 public statement. I agree with you: the crimes of the ICTY which the intimidated witness exposed during the Seselj trial should have prosecuted in a more timely and vigorous manner.

Notably,Vucic and the Serbian government agree with icj1 that the allegations against Seselj's defence are fictitious and baseless accusations.

(ivan, 15 February 2016 15:15)

LOL. If Albania is a third world country, than what is Serbia? Do you really think you are better?? Albania's GDP per capita is 126th in the world and Serbia's is 116th, roughly the same level. Our literacy rate is about 98%, same as yours. We rank 159th in unemployment, you rank behind us at 166th. We rank 60th in life expectancy, you rank way behind 102nd! In terms of individual economic freedom we again rank much higher than you, Albania 59th, Serbia 77th. I don't know what lies you've been reading, but in reality Serbia is no better than Albania, you are just another poor and backwards Balkan country.

So, keep dreaming Ivan, the only lands that will be retaken are Presheva, Sanxhak and Nish. You have been sucking Albanian blood for too long, but the tables have turned again and you will once more return to serving your Albanian masters.

That would be a more even playing field and I think you all know how that will end up. Not even 100 of you are worth one Albanian man.
(Genti, 15 February 2016 06:35) # Comment li

Albania is going to come in with it's 1957 Chinese Tanks in storage, don't make all of us laugh! Why didn't Albania come in 1999! All throughout history Albania has shown it cowardice on the battlefield and on the negotiating table.

(icj1, 16 February 2016 15:39) Well, I read the transcript and did not find anything there, proven beyond reasonable doubt, which supports what this certain Amnesty Yugoslavia wrote. So the only source that claims those writings as being a fact proven beyond reasonable doubt is this certain Amnesty Yugoslavia.

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Amnesty Yugolsavia actually wrote that Nenad Jovic's testimony supports a prima faceia case against the ICTY. With regard to "reasonable doubt": I have no doubt whatsoever that icj1 is a Reader (or reader) who can't read.

@sasa.p

"To C*unt of Kosovo or whatever..."

I just loved it!!! May I use it from time to time or is it patented?

I as a reader am urging B92, to post some more articles on the war crimes committed by other countries against Serbia, and the subsequent trials against individuals of those crimes.

Otherwise, apparently Serbs were the only ones committing these crimes and as such we have to bare the full brunt of critics.

Its awfully dignified of the Kalbs to comment now, but in a few months time when there own MP' are being sentenced,what will be said?

It'll come back to bite you.

Well said Mr Vucic. It is time that Republika Srpska stands up for itself and to the Hague, and not let them make fools of us. Samo Napred!!!!

icj1, 11 February 2016 14:56) What is this thing that ICTY did that has a good part of the Serb government up in arms?!

First they held a Serb citizens in Hague for 12 years ,without a convictions, like "The Serb Nelson Mandela"!.
P's he went on his own.

icj1, 11 February 2016 14:56) What is this thing that ICTY did that has a good part of the Serb government up in arms?!

First they held a Serb citizens in Hague for 12 years ,without a convictions, like "The Serb Nelson Mandela"!.
(sasa.p, 12 February 2016 14:37)

I'm not aware of any Serb citizens held in the Hague for 12 years without convictions. Who are these Serb citizens?!

(icj1, 11 February 2016 14:56) What is this thing that ICTY did that has a good part of the Serb government up in arms?!

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Read the ICTY transcript of Nenad Jovic's sworn testimony from 6 July 2010
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 February 2016 11:59)

Oh, really?! Vucic, finally caught up with something from more than 5 years ago :) That's the reason why he wants to send this note of protest today?! Information really takes time to travel to Serbia!!!
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that recounts the ICTY OTP officials' threats against him and his children. This crime of witness intimidation
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 February 2016 11:59)

Please provide the evidence that the Court determined beyond reasonable doubt that the above crime was committed. Otherwise it remains just a ALLEGED crime.
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Blind and deaf ICTY apologists refuse to even read or recognize this evidence
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 February 2016 11:59)

Well, few people would recognize "evidence" that has not been determined to be credible evidence beyond reasonable doubt, at least until you provide proof that that determination was made.
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and foolishly ask why innocent Yugoslavs are "up in arms".
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 February 2016 11:59)

Well, yeah... Since Serbs are macho and heroic, it sounds odd that their prime minister acts like a drama queen!

"Somebody must provide us with the answer to the question why a man has died in detention," Vucic said.

-- Vucic must know that when as an old fart you surround yourself with war criminals, chances are you either will die in prison or someone will shoot you in the streets. Milosevic, Arkan, and this dude, are examples of that. The next one is Seselj. The only question is, what old fart in Serbian politics is stupid and willing enough to die in prison with him by obstructing justice. If Vucic doesn't know this then he's just a dumb dude.

Self pitying pathetic idiots. And they wonder why the world hates them.
(The Count of Kosova, 11 February 2016 17:42)

Your attitude and your ranting remind me of this fella I once saw in a south of the border bar performing with a donkey.
He called himself the Count of Cordova. He also called me and my compadres rich drunk gringo idiots followed by: "No wonders the whole worlds hates your kinds".

Alls I did was I asked him if he wanted to bet me my 1000 pesos to his 10 pesos that I can make his donkey laugh and then cry with shame, all in a span of one minute. In reality alls I wanted to do is have some drunk fun by telling him an old cowboy horse joke that's been around since my granddaddy's time.
When I revealed to him the the part that was supposed to make his donkey cry, he was instantly humbled and his attitude changed towards me.
He right away called a round of tequila shots for me and the boys and said to me with a bewildered look in his eyes: 'God's blessed you my amigo'.

P.S. I often wondered if you were that same fella with a slight change in the spelling of your name.

The available evidence presented in court records on 6 July 2010 actually implicated the ICTY as perpetrators of this crime.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 February 2016 22:45)

Sure... but "available" and "credible" is not the same thing (in the normal English, at least - not sure what in the English taught to you). When you show that the evidence you are referring to was determined to be credible beyond reasonable doubt, you may have a point, but until then you have not shown anything that has implicated ICTY in perpetrating a crime beyond reasonable doubt. So far, the evidence of the crime that ICTY has allegedly perpetrated is because a certain Amnesty Yugoslavia said so!

Half the writings below are banana thoughts (and probably half of those are bought and paid for too)
(factman, 11 February 2016 19:55)

Since you did not provide any argument to support what you wrote, it means that your writing is banana thought :)
(icj1, 12 February 2016 01:48)

Are you sure you are not talking about yourself?
(Jugoslavija, 12 February 2016 18:07)

Yup, I confirm I'm not factman!

(icj1, 11 February 2016 14:56) What is this thing that ICTY did that has a good part of the Serb government up in arms?!

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Read the ICTY transcript of Nenad Jovic's sworn testimony from 6 July 2010
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 February 2016 11:59)

Oh, really?! Vucic, finally caught up with something from more than 5 years ago :) That's the reason why he wants to send this note of protest today?! Information really takes time to travel to Serbia!!!
(icj1, 12 February 2016 15:41)

Please educate yourself and learn that Serbia offered to conduct a hearing and judge those responsible for this witness' intimidation more than one year ago. Witness Jovic provided evidence that the OTP perpetrated this crime and ICTY's absurd response was an infantile and baseless counter claim against the defense team.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 February 2016 16:45)

Sure, I educated myself with the above - pretty entertaining I must say as all the writings of a certain Amnesty Yugoslavia which are true because.... well, this certain Amnesty Yugoslavia says so!

Unfortunately, said education did not change the time that it took for the information about Nenad Jovic's sworn testimony to reach Vucic, who only this week realized that he must protest about it lol

Meanwhile, Russia, a fledging economic and a super power, is waiting with open arms. Here's our chance to retake Kosovo!
(Ivan)

Hahahah! I beg you to please try to retake Kosovo! Try it!
I cannot wait to see the Albanian flag hanging on top of the Belgrade fortress and kick you barbarian cannibals back to mother Russia where you belong.

"If I recall right, in 1999 you albo trash were on trains being shipped back to your homeland until the US interfered. That's when the playing field was even."
(Ivan)

Ah, so your "even" playing field is when was your army was fighting against an Albanian minority of unarmed civilians. That would be the same as if the Kosovo Albanian government now decided to wipe out all Serbian trash from Kosovo and Serbia could not get involved. That is your even playing field?
If you try something against Kosova now, as an independent country, the rest of Albania will be the first to come in. That would be a more even playing field and I think you all know how that will end up. Not even 100 of you are worth one Albanian man.

Genti,

Albania is a third world country, you don't have an army, you have nothing, or anything that might be even considered a force. You are leeches and parasites riding on the coattails of the US, that is all.
I would love to see KFOR and every other occupier leave. Kosovo would be retaken within a blink of an eye. So go ahead and enjoy this borrowed time. So go ahead and urinate on Serbian monastery, beat up on an elder, or extract a few organs from those who are defenseless. There are other wars in the world where your handlers will be required to fight, i.e. Syria, Ukraine, Russia, China, heck, the entire planet and solar system. It is at that point that you albo trash will feel the wrath. And there won't be anyone to help.

Why didn't Albania come in 1999!
(Jugoslavija, 16 February 2016 21:06)

For the same reason that Serbia didn't attack the KLA camps that everyone knew about in Albania. It would be fighting against a sovereign country and nobody would let that happen. If you somehow get another Millishevic now and decide to go against Kosovo, you would be going against a sovereign country and Albania would be the first in.

As far as fighting goes, nobody in the Balkans can match up to Albanian warriors. The average Serb would pee their pants in front of an average Albanian. The only way your coward nation can fight is when you have a whole army and air force fighting against unarmed civilians.
You have always showed that kind of cowardice throughout history. And you are showing your cowardice and brown-nosing now when Serbia is kissing the West's ass even though just yesterday you were calling them the devil :) Spineless cowards with no morals and no honor. That's what you have always been.

Not even 100 of you are worth one Albanian man.
(Genti, 15 February 2016 06:35) # Comment li

The dumb Albanians do know how to take lots of shots.

COOL SERBIAN GUY BEAT THE SH*T OUT OF 2 ALBANIANS
WITH SUNGLASSES ON !!Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=04b_1413554842#j30kWgGqAYYPvede.99

You have always showed that kind of cowardice throughout history.
(Genti, 17 February 2016 04:25)

History shows otherwise! German General Von Mackenson on the bravery and courage of the Serb soldiers during WWI is just one example.

Albanian bravery is comprised of stealing warriors such as Greek heroe Giorgos Kastriotishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8BF70cHVe8

Hardened german field marshal honours Serbian defenders of Belgrade in WWI
„You are not going to the Italian, or Russian, or the French front. You are going into a fight against a new enemy who is dangerous, tough, brave and sharp. You are going to the Serbian front, to Serbia, and Serbs are the people who love their freedom and who are willing to fight for it to their last. Do your best so this minuscule enemy does not overshadow your glory and compromise the success you’ve achieved so far in the glorious German army“.
This is the speech that field marshal August von Mackensen held before departing for the Serbian front in autumn of 1915.

Unity, courage, and patriotism of the fighters who fell during the defence of Belgrade inspired von Mackensen. He erected a monument to honour them in Topčider. That was a rare historic example of the victor who honoured his enemy’s army in such a manner. It was written on the monument, in both Serbian and German:„Serbian heroes rest here“.

Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=abf_1407452333#lzUczTvdWUf7ZLXk.99

(icj1, 18 February 2016 14:33) Amnesty Yugoslavia does not have any fact proven beyond reasonable doubt to support his/her arguments and therefore his/her arguments can be safely ignored!

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Considerations for the "ignorant":

1. a first hand witness provided the sworn testimony.
2 this was not second hand testimony, but testimony by an individual who was intimidated and bribed by the ICTY.
3. This was a witness originally called for the prosecution; NOT a defence witness.
4. The OTP must have standards for its own witnesses and therfore it is reasonable to assume this evidence to be credible.
5. Is icj1's argument that OTP witnesses are not credible?
4. In most reputable jurisdiciaries "proof beyond reasonable doubt" is required for CONVICTION. Why is proof beyond reasonable doubt required for investigation or a prima faceia case at the ICTY?
5. What are the different legal Burdens of Proof at the ICTY? Are some investigations and indictments based on simple allegations whereas others require proof beyond reasonable doubt?
7. Are different standards of evidence used for different people and ethnicities at the ICTY? Are some investigations and indictments initiated on grounds of "reasonable suspicion" whereas others, such OTP crimes, require "beyond readonable doubt"?
5. Should the same laws and principles apply equally to all? Why is icj1 demanding "proof beyond reasonable doubt" to initiate a prima faceia case?

(icj1, 18 February 2016 14:33) Amnesty Yugoslavia does not have any fact proven beyond reasonable doubt to support his/her arguments and therefore his/her arguments can be safely ignored!

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Proof beyond reasonable doubt that OTP corruption and cover-up are systemic ICTY crimes is indeed substantiated by Nenad Jovic's testimony. These facts are plainly evident on 11 pages of the 6 July 2010 testimony. Pages 16161 to pages 16172, inclusively, provide no doubt whatsoever, about systemic corruption and cover-up by the OTP and the ICTY. icj1 and other blind ICTY apologists are willfully ignorant to these undeniable facts.

@icj1

I know your first language is Albanian
(Jugoslavija, 12 February 2016 14:15)

Lol, sure if you have been appointed as the global authority of determining first languages, whatever that means.
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I understand that your lack of English, analytical and mathematical skills are atrocious.
(Jugoslavija, 12 February 2016 14:15)

You totally got it, dear. You are finally learning something, at least. Yes I lack the skills of understanding your English, and your analytical and mathematical reasoning. I think you'd find few people, if any, that would understand them :)
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But if you want to make a contribution that actually makes sense, read The Hague tribunal transcripts instead of making stupid comments constantly with no support.
(Jugoslavija, 12 February 2016 14:15)

Yup, I have read them and have not been able to find anything that the Hague has determined beyond reasonable doubt that support your arguments. And you have not shown any evidence to contradict any of my comments, other than because you say so!

Read the ICTY transcript of Nenad Jovic's sworn testimony from 6 July 2010
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 February 2016 11:59)

Oh, really?! Vucic, finally caught up with something from more than 5 years ago :) That's the reason why he wants to send this note of protest today?! Information really takes time to travel to Serbia!!!


Yup, I have read them and have not been able to find anything that the Hague has determined beyond reasonable doubt that support your arguments.
(icj1, 12 February 2016 15:25)

It is beyond a reasonable doubt you have not read the Hague Tribunal Transcripts, that is obvious from your stupid comments above. Who are you trying to fool?

Since you did not provide any argument to support what you wrote, it means that your writing is banana thought :)
(icj1, 12 February 2016 01:48)

Are you sure you are not talking about yourself?

You are leeches and parasites riding on the coattails of the US, that is all.
(ivan, 15 February 2016 15:15)

That's smart, no? Whatever delivers results!

Imagine if Serbia had done the same in the last 20 years; Serbia would have never been bombed by NATO and Kosovo would still be part of Serbia.

Instead Serbia decided to be Russia's slave, but unfortunately for Serbia, Russia is irrelevant in the Balkans!

Notably,Vucic and the Serbian government agree with icj1 that the allegations against Seselj's defence are fictitious and baseless accusations.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 13 February 2016 18:58)

I'm glad that we agree that any allegations against Seselj, ICTY, or anybody else which are not proven beyond reasonable doubt, are just allegations and not established facts.

A principle applies to everybody...

Dude, if you had read the ICTY transcript from 6 July 2010, you would have realized that Amnesty Yugoslavia did not testify or say anything. The court transcript has the testimony of the prosecution's witness, namely one Nenad Jovic. You may wish to remove yourself from whatever fairytale your warped mind occupies and recognize the absurdities if your statements.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 13 February 2016 18:23)

Well, I read the transcript and did not find anything there, proven beyond reasonable doubt, which supports what this certain Amnesty Yugoslavia wrote. So the only source that claims those writings as being a fact proven beyond reasonable doubt is this certain Amnesty Yugoslavia!

It's possible though that I might have missed something, so feel free to take any argument that Amnesty Yugoslavia wrote, and then provide a link to the transcript at icty.org and the paragraph(s) in that transcript which show(s) that what Amnesty Yugoslavia wrote was proven beyond reasonable doubt.

(icj1, 16 February 2016 15:39) Well, I read the transcript and did not find anything there, proven beyond reasonable doubt, which supports what this certain Amnesty Yugoslavia wrote. So the only source that claims those writings as being a fact proven beyond reasonable doubt is this certain Amnesty Yugoslavia.

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Amnesty Yugolsavia actually wrote that Nenad Jovic's testimony supports a prima faceia case against the ICTY.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 February 2016 13:37)

Ah, ok... got it. So, our dear friend Amnesty Yugoslavia does not have any fact proven beyond reasonable doubt to support his/her arguments and therefore his/her arguments can be safely ignored!

"PM tells Hague Tribunal "to learn to respect Serbia""

Haha, it looks like it's elections time in Serbia.
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"Somebody must provide us with the answer to the question why a man has died in detention," Vucic said.

Well, a man convicted to life in prison would normally die in.... yes, you got it, in prison. Where did Vucic expect him to die?!
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"And then we'll continue to talk in line with the laws of Serbia," Vucic added.

This guy is totally lost! Does he have any advisors, at least? Serbia's talk to ICTY has to be in line with UNSCR 827... Serbia's law is irrelevant.
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""Nobody will humiliate Serbia, including the Hague Tribunal," he said."

There is no need for that. Serbia does a great job already humiliating itself!
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"On the other hand, the kind of disrespect shown toward Serbia yesterday (Wednesday) is incomprehensible and impermissible," he concluded.

Oh, the heroic and macho Serbs are so sensitive. I wonder what they would do if there were actually attacked! What is this thing that ICTY did that has a good part of the Serb government up in arms?! lol

oh dear, so sensitive these Serbian officials. stopped mid-sentence? treated with rudeness? did they have to run to the corridor and cry? what adults have we here? pathetic.

Self pitying pathetic idiots. And they wonder why the world hates them.

Or else 100 hague judges will pay for every serb. You were there budfy and advocated murder on millions of people, now you want others to respect you after 20 years!? Get real!

Tough luck mate.

The Hague was never there to make you happy.

On the contrary.

It was there to give consequences to criminals, and messages to people like you.

You won't get an apology. You will be expected to conform.

You won't get any sympathy. It was inappropriate Serb nationalism destroyed that.

It's a court - you will have to respect that or lose a lot more.

If you feel humilitated, that is more a statement about your psychology.

Diplomatically, you are digging a hole for yourself.

Politically you are acting-up in order to deceive Serbs to vote for you.

In all respects your little outburst is weak and very unimpressive.

Bravo Vucic! It's about time that someone told the Hague that they are out of line. Perhaps Serbia can extradite Hague staff and put them on trial in Serbia for this.

"On the other hand, the kind of disrespect shown toward Serbia yesterday (Wednesday) is incomprehensible and impermissible," he concluded.

Why are you brown nosing them then you fool! They have humiliated Serbia, are humiliating it, and will continue to humiliate. Serbia has no business with the west. Stop trying to sit on two seats, it's just not working! Russia, China and the BRICS are the future. Try and get a Belarus status with Russia, and in the end, Serbia will be further ahead rather than with defunct EU/US hypocrites.

Respect- For a country that committed the worst genocidal act since WW2..... No way !

1. Serbia requests that Seselj be released on grounds of ill health.
2. ICTY respects Serbia and grants the request provided Seselj returns to the Hague when needed.
3. Serbia completely disrespects the ICTy by not returning Seselj as agreed.
4. ICTY requests for the extradition of officials who intimidated witnesses.
5. Serbia completely disrespects the ICTY by not extraditing them.
6. Serbia asks for respect that it never gave.
7. Serbian politicians again miss the occasion to learn that arrogance does not pay.

Self pitying pathetic idiots. And they wonder why the world hates them.
(The Count of Kosova, 11 February 2016 17:42)

The world hates us??? Is that why you're not allowed to travel freely without a visa?

Banana Court.

Bought and paid for.

Half the writings below are banana thoughts (and probably half of those are bought and paid for too)

To C*unt of Kosovo or whatever,
Yes,the world hates them(Serb) you quote,but wants to invest in business and infrastructure in Serbia.I mean EU,USA,Russia,Arabs,China,Belarus, South America etc,all visiting Belgrade. The world loves you Shqiptars, but don't invest in large volumes,only in peanut's term's, in Pristina and Tirana,what a Weird world you say!.
P'S who does the world love,and need at the outcome.

Self pitying pathetic idiots. And they wonder why the world hates them.
(The Count of Kosova, 11 February 2016 17:42)
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So now you speak for the entire world.
Which countries do you lump into this world? I live in a world where majority of it's inhabitants actually side with Serbs and have friendly relations. You must live in some crazy Albanian version of the world which eliminates all these people.

When it comes to the SRS officials wanted by the tribunal, Vucic said the charges against them pertained to "small acts, that carry with them sentences of several months (in jail) - because these are not war crimes."

Nobody said that these three gentlemen who intimidated, bribed and influenced witnesses in the case against Seslj committed any war crimes. But it seems Serbia prefers to protect those people, and failed to extradite them for more than a year.

Nobody will humiliate Serbia? Well a good example, as long as Serbian cival leaders continue to entertain degenerates like Tony Blair by inviting him to Beograd for tea parties, how will any one in the world have any respect for us? How does any Serbian expect to be treated by the Hague, does not take rocket science to figure it out, Eastern Orthodox Christianity is always the gulity and the sentence is death! This evil and wicked hatred of Eastern Orthodox Christianity by the Arayan race, I have tried to understand WHY all my life and the only conclusion is that it is a Satanic thing! What else can I call it, how wicked and so cruel and evil to have a profound desire to murder the innocent ones who love Divinity! What sickness is that to destroy and murder a race of people only that they pray and believe in the Eastern Orthodox Christian faith? That is all it is, we Eastern Orthodox Christians are only objects with a big bulls eye on our heads! So we Serbian people a relatively small nation and population in Europe surrounded by the demonic vultures who sink their wicked claws on our shoulders and just wait for any reason to abuse us! With out Mother Russia our Serbian nation will not survive, now is the most dangerious time in known history for all Eastern Orthodox Christianity in the world! With out the complete bonding with Russia the vultures will hack at us untill none of us are left alive! The only survival for Serbia is Full Unity with Mother Russia!!!

You won't get an apology. You will be expected to conform.

(Bob, 11 February 2016 19:21)

And what if he doesn't? The ICTY loses its meaning if Serbia isn't even cooperating with it. This is something that should have happened many years ago. If anyone committed war crimes against civilians then they should face the consequences. But a disgusting accuse for a court of law such as the ICTY should not receive any more respect or even acknowledgement. It would be great for Serbia to start denouncing unjust Hague rulings and refuse any more further cooperation.

And if that happens, you will pout as will more powerful Serbophobes. But nothing of substance will happen to Serbia.

Nobody said that these three gentlemen who intimidated, bribed and influenced witnesses in the case against Seslj committed any war crimes. But it seems Serbia prefers to protect those people, and failed to extradite them for more than a year.
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 February 2016 17:24)
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No problem. When "Kosova" extradites people responsible for murdering witnesses for Serbian side then they can ask Serbia to give any more of their own up.
Why should Serbia stay in this game when the rules are clearly stacked up against her? Would you?

@sasa.p

"To C*unt of Kosovo or whatever..."

I just loved it!!! May I use it from time to time or is it patented?

I as a reader am urging B92, to post some more articles on the war crimes committed by other countries against Serbia, and the subsequent trials against individuals of those crimes.

Otherwise, apparently Serbs were the only ones committing these crimes and as such we have to bare the full brunt of critics.

Its awfully dignified of the Kalbs to comment now, but in a few months time when there own MP' are being sentenced,what will be said?

It'll come back to bite you.

Well said Mr Vucic. It is time that Republika Srpska stands up for itself and to the Hague, and not let them make fools of us. Samo Napred!!!!

Genti,

Albania is a third world country, you don't have an army, you have nothing, or anything that might be even considered a force. You are leeches and parasites riding on the coattails of the US, that is all.
I would love to see KFOR and every other occupier leave. Kosovo would be retaken within a blink of an eye. So go ahead and enjoy this borrowed time. So go ahead and urinate on Serbian monastery, beat up on an elder, or extract a few organs from those who are defenseless. There are other wars in the world where your handlers will be required to fight, i.e. Syria, Ukraine, Russia, China, heck, the entire planet and solar system. It is at that point that you albo trash will feel the wrath. And there won't be anyone to help.

"Just curious but have any western leaders or military members been sent to this court for all the damages they have done to the middle east??"

...and why would they? This court, meaning the one in the Hague, does not deal with crimes in the Middle East, it deals with crimes carried out in what was former Yugoslavia.

(???, 12 February 2016 09:38)

Well, the answer to your question lies in the name of the court: ICTY

International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia.

I don't think the "International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia" will be hearing any cases related to the middle east.

"The only survival for Serbia is Full Unity with Mother Russia!!!"
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 12 February 2016 02:29)

I couldn't agree more!! I have shared the same sentiments on many of my posts. The problem is that we don't have the political "spine." Our politicians are gutless corrupt cowards to say the least. I vomit every time I hear Vucic mention that "America is a friend of Serbia." The way he brown noses the former US ambassador, Kirby. How pathetic!! Meanwhile, Russia, a fledging economic and a super power, is waiting with open arms. Here's our chance to retake Kosovo! These are not the times of Boris Yeltsin, a drunken bastard who humiliated Russia and betrayed the Serbs. The players and the political landscape have changed. Europe would not have the stomach to see another Nato intervention and the US would think twice because Uncle Vlad is in power. Look Ukraine and Syria, Russia put its foot down and the mighty US can't do anything about it. Now is the time to unite with Mother Russia. Pursuing the bankrupt EU is just a myth. The US/EU have no real intentions of ever admitting Serbia into the fold. They just want to impose more ridiculous conditions which were never requested from any other EU member, only to dismember, humiliate, and disintegrate us to capitulation. God bless Seselj, Dveri, DSS and the SRS. They should all unite and put Serbia back on the map!!

Self pitying pathetic idiots. And they wonder why the world hates them.
(The Count of Kosova, 11 February 2016 17:42)

Your attitude and your ranting remind me of this fella I once saw in a south of the border bar performing with a donkey.
He called himself the Count of Cordova. He also called me and my compadres rich drunk gringo idiots followed by: "No wonders the whole worlds hates your kinds".

Alls I did was I asked him if he wanted to bet me my 1000 pesos to his 10 pesos that I can make his donkey laugh and then cry with shame, all in a span of one minute. In reality alls I wanted to do is have some drunk fun by telling him an old cowboy horse joke that's been around since my granddaddy's time.
When I revealed to him the the part that was supposed to make his donkey cry, he was instantly humbled and his attitude changed towards me.
He right away called a round of tequila shots for me and the boys and said to me with a bewildered look in his eyes: 'God's blessed you my amigo'.

P.S. I often wondered if you were that same fella with a slight change in the spelling of your name.

Meanwhile, Russia, a fledging economic and a super power, is waiting with open arms. Here's our chance to retake Kosovo!
(Ivan)

Hahahah! I beg you to please try to retake Kosovo! Try it!
I cannot wait to see the Albanian flag hanging on top of the Belgrade fortress and kick you barbarian cannibals back to mother Russia where you belong.

Self pitying pathetic idiots. And they wonder why the world hates them.
(The Count of Kosova, 11 February 2016 17:42)

It's not too late amigo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54pQyUPy9WM


It's Never Too Late
Steppenwolf

Your eyes are moist, you scream and shout
As though you were a man possessed
From deep inside comes rushing forth
All the anguish you suppressed
Upon your wall hangs your degree
Your parents craved so much for you
And though you're trained to make your mark

You still don't quite know what to do
It's never to late to start all over again
To love the people you caused the pain
And help them learn your name
Oh, no, not too late
It's never too late to start all over again

Well, it's much too late to start again
To try and find a little bliss
So on your woman and your child
You release your bitterness
You drift apart some more each day
You feel the guilt and loneliness
And the God of your childhood you can't find
To save you from your emptiness
It's never… Full lyrics on Google Play

Hahahah! I beg you to please try to retake Kosovo! Try it!
I cannot wait to see the Albanian flag hanging on top of the Belgrade fortress and kick you barbarian cannibals back to mother Russia where you belong.
(Genti, 13 February 2016 04:55)

Looks like an albo troll is in a panic mode. If it's a question of Serbs vs the albanians, I think you know what the outcome would be. You'd be pushed back to the Adriatic. Just with our elders and children we can do the job. As always, big talk on the expense of someone else. Remember Kosovo was handed over to you by the US, you did not win it. If I recall right, in 1999 you albo trash were on trains being shipped back to your homeland until the US interfered. That's when the playing field was even. You are no match for us and you know it, so take the opportunity and vent out before the inevitable arrives. Kosovo will be retaken it's just a matter of time when all the right conditions are in place.

That would be a more even playing field and I think you all know how that will end up. Not even 100 of you are worth one Albanian man.
(Genti, 15 February 2016 06:35) # Comment li

Albania is going to come in with it's 1957 Chinese Tanks in storage, don't make all of us laugh! Why didn't Albania come in 1999! All throughout history Albania has shown it cowardice on the battlefield and on the negotiating table.

Why didn't Albania come in 1999!
(Jugoslavija, 16 February 2016 21:06)

For the same reason that Serbia didn't attack the KLA camps that everyone knew about in Albania. It would be fighting against a sovereign country and nobody would let that happen. If you somehow get another Millishevic now and decide to go against Kosovo, you would be going against a sovereign country and Albania would be the first in.

As far as fighting goes, nobody in the Balkans can match up to Albanian warriors. The average Serb would pee their pants in front of an average Albanian. The only way your coward nation can fight is when you have a whole army and air force fighting against unarmed civilians.
You have always showed that kind of cowardice throughout history. And you are showing your cowardice and brown-nosing now when Serbia is kissing the West's ass even though just yesterday you were calling them the devil :) Spineless cowards with no morals and no honor. That's what you have always been.

"Banana Court.
Bought and paid for.
Half the writings below are banana thoughts (and probably half of those are bought and paid for too)"

oh dear me....banana court...it holds a lot of sway however. it has imprisoned those it has convicted. it is a court that Serbia will still have to comply with. so whilst you think you have some sort of moral victory here, the court will carry on with its proceedings and Serbia has little choice but to get along with it.
as for bona thoughts being paid for, no idea what you're trying to say and I highly doubt that you know either.

Talking of traveling and living abroad. Why do Serbs go to the same western countries that bombed them and not "mother Russia"?

Half the writings below are banana thoughts (and probably half of those are bought and paid for too)
(factman, 11 February 2016 19:55)

Since you did not provide any argument to support what you wrote, it means that your writing is banana thought :)

The ICTY, at its core, has demonstrated a supreme contempt for any concept of justice. The expectation that this "theatre of the absurd" would have any trace of respect for innocent Yugoslav victims is ....yes, laughable.

(Reader, 11 February 2016 18:58) 1. Serbia requests that Seselj be released on grounds of ill health.
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To the Reader who can't read: Serbia never requested Seselj's release. If you read the record, the government of Serbia actually requested a condition to Seselj's release that the ICTY did not fulfill. Seselj was released without receiving any conditions.

(Reader) 2. ICTY respects Serbia and grants the request provided Seselj returns to the Hague when needed.
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For the illiterate Reader: Serbia, in fact, requested the ICTY and the accused agree to predefined conditions prior to release. The ICTY disrespected and ignored Serbia's request.

(Reader) 3. Serbia completely disrespects the ICTy by not returning Seselj as agreed.
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Since you can't read; have someone explain to you that ICTY and Serbia didn't agree on the release.

4. ICTY requests for the extradition of officials who intimidated witnesses.
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You obviously didn't read Nenad Jovic's testimony from 6 July 2010 where he swore that intimidation and bribery were threats and intimidation from the ICTYs OTP officials.

5. Serbia completely disrespects the ICTY by not extraditing them.
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The OTP criminals identified by the witness are already in The Hague.

6. Serbia asks for respect that it never gave.
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The ICTY disrespects itself & justice. Expectations of any other respect is foolish.

The "Reader's" self humiliation continues.

(icj1, 11 February 2016 14:56) What is this thing that ICTY did that has a good part of the Serb government up in arms?!

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Read the ICTY transcript of Nenad Jovic's sworn testimony from 6 July 2010 that recounts the ICTY OTP officials' threats against him and his children. This crime of witness intimidation was further exacerbated with disgusting bribes promising prostitutes (who operate legally in the Netherlands) in return for his false statements against the accused. Note that Jovic is the PROSECUTOR'S witness, who identified the crimes and exposed the dark depths of corruption that constitute the ICTY. Blind and deaf ICTY apologists refuse to even read or recognize this evidence and foolishly ask why innocent Yugoslavs are "up in arms".

@icj1

I know your first language is Albanian and your favourite word is "dear" I understand that your lack of English, analytical and mathematical skills are atrocious. But if you want to make a contribution that actually makes sense, read The Hague tribunal transcripts instead of making stupid comments constantly with no support. You can read some English "dear"?

icj1, 11 February 2016 14:56) What is this thing that ICTY did that has a good part of the Serb government up in arms?!

First they held a Serb citizens in Hague for 12 years ,without a convictions, like "The Serb Nelson Mandela"!.
P's he went on his own.

A Banana Court who's time has come and gone.

Serbia is far enough down the path of european re-integration where this banana court can do nothing to it.

The only thing Serbia needs to do is:

1. Continue to liberalise and grow its economy so that it becomes one of the engines of economic growth in a region which lacks enough of them, while also providing a sizeable market for western companies to growtheir balance sheets.

2. Help the EU ease the migrant situation in a humanitarian way

3. Vigilantly fight the democratic battle against global Islamic terrorism

4. Continue to normalise relations with K

if they do these things, no one cares what the Banana Court has to say.

It has already acheived its political objective.

It never really was about justice.

(icj1, 11 February 2016 14:56) What is this thing that ICTY did that has a good part of the Serb government up in arms?!

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Read the ICTY transcript of Nenad Jovic's sworn testimony from 6 July 2010
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 February 2016 11:59)

Oh, really?! Vucic, finally caught up with something from more than 5 years ago :) That's the reason why he wants to send this note of protest today?! Information really takes time to travel to Serbia!!!
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that recounts the ICTY OTP officials' threats against him and his children. This crime of witness intimidation
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 February 2016 11:59)

Please provide the evidence that the Court determined beyond reasonable doubt that the above crime was committed. Otherwise it remains just a ALLEGED crime.
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Blind and deaf ICTY apologists refuse to even read or recognize this evidence
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 February 2016 11:59)

Well, few people would recognize "evidence" that has not been determined to be credible evidence beyond reasonable doubt, at least until you provide proof that that determination was made.
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and foolishly ask why innocent Yugoslavs are "up in arms".
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 February 2016 11:59)

Well, yeah... Since Serbs are macho and heroic, it sounds odd that their prime minister acts like a drama queen!

Read the ICTY transcript of Nenad Jovic's sworn testimony from 6 July 2010
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 February 2016 11:59)

Oh, really?! Vucic, finally caught up with something from more than 5 years ago :) That's the reason why he wants to send this note of protest today?! Information really takes time to travel to Serbia!!!


Yup, I have read them and have not been able to find anything that the Hague has determined beyond reasonable doubt that support your arguments.
(icj1, 12 February 2016 15:25)

It is beyond a reasonable doubt you have not read the Hague Tribunal Transcripts, that is obvious from your stupid comments above. Who are you trying to fool?

Since you did not provide any argument to support what you wrote, it means that your writing is banana thought :)
(icj1, 12 February 2016 01:48)

Are you sure you are not talking about yourself?

"Somebody must provide us with the answer to the question why a man has died in detention," Vucic said.

-- Vucic must know that when as an old fart you surround yourself with war criminals, chances are you either will die in prison or someone will shoot you in the streets. Milosevic, Arkan, and this dude, are examples of that. The next one is Seselj. The only question is, what old fart in Serbian politics is stupid and willing enough to die in prison with him by obstructing justice. If Vucic doesn't know this then he's just a dumb dude.

(icj1) Well, few people would recognize "evidence" that has not been determined to be credible evidence beyond reasonable doubt, at least until you provide proof that that determination was made.
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Thank you for agreeing with Vucic and the Serbian government that the allegations against the defence team is not credible. The available evidence presented in court records on 6 July 2010 actually implicated the ICTY as perpetrators of this crime.

The available evidence presented in court records on 6 July 2010 actually implicated the ICTY as perpetrators of this crime.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 February 2016 22:45)

Sure... but "available" and "credible" is not the same thing (in the normal English, at least - not sure what in the English taught to you). When you show that the evidence you are referring to was determined to be credible beyond reasonable doubt, you may have a point, but until then you have not shown anything that has implicated ICTY in perpetrating a crime beyond reasonable doubt. So far, the evidence of the crime that ICTY has allegedly perpetrated is because a certain Amnesty Yugoslavia said so!

Half the writings below are banana thoughts (and probably half of those are bought and paid for too)
(factman, 11 February 2016 19:55)

Since you did not provide any argument to support what you wrote, it means that your writing is banana thought :)
(icj1, 12 February 2016 01:48)

Are you sure you are not talking about yourself?
(Jugoslavija, 12 February 2016 18:07)

Yup, I confirm I'm not factman!

(icj1, 11 February 2016 14:56) What is this thing that ICTY did that has a good part of the Serb government up in arms?!

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Read the ICTY transcript of Nenad Jovic's sworn testimony from 6 July 2010
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 February 2016 11:59)

Oh, really?! Vucic, finally caught up with something from more than 5 years ago :) That's the reason why he wants to send this note of protest today?! Information really takes time to travel to Serbia!!!
(icj1, 12 February 2016 15:41)

Please educate yourself and learn that Serbia offered to conduct a hearing and judge those responsible for this witness' intimidation more than one year ago. Witness Jovic provided evidence that the OTP perpetrated this crime and ICTY's absurd response was an infantile and baseless counter claim against the defense team.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 February 2016 16:45)

Sure, I educated myself with the above - pretty entertaining I must say as all the writings of a certain Amnesty Yugoslavia which are true because.... well, this certain Amnesty Yugoslavia says so!

Unfortunately, said education did not change the time that it took for the information about Nenad Jovic's sworn testimony to reach Vucic, who only this week realized that he must protest about it lol

Hahahah! I beg you to please try to retake Kosovo! Try it!
I cannot wait to see the Albanian flag hanging on top of the Belgrade fortress and kick you barbarian cannibals back to mother Russia where you belong.
(Genti, 13 February 2016 04:55)

Tomorrow is Valentine's Day. It's a day for celebrating love and giving.

As a token of my appreciation to a chosen group of Albanians that frequent this site, I would love to take y'all on magic carpet ride, or a Turkish kilim, which ever y'all prefer.

Also, Genti, you can bring your Albanian flag with you so you can hang it on top of my fortress
and pretend that's hanging on the top of the Belgrade fortress. The rest of you can bring your pizzas and some coke. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6m5xTR0UVo

P.S. I can't wait.

"If I recall right, in 1999 you albo trash were on trains being shipped back to your homeland until the US interfered. That's when the playing field was even."
(Ivan)

Ah, so your "even" playing field is when was your army was fighting against an Albanian minority of unarmed civilians. That would be the same as if the Kosovo Albanian government now decided to wipe out all Serbian trash from Kosovo and Serbia could not get involved. That is your even playing field?
If you try something against Kosova now, as an independent country, the rest of Albania will be the first to come in. That would be a more even playing field and I think you all know how that will end up. Not even 100 of you are worth one Albanian man.

(ivan, 15 February 2016 15:15)

LOL. If Albania is a third world country, than what is Serbia? Do you really think you are better?? Albania's GDP per capita is 126th in the world and Serbia's is 116th, roughly the same level. Our literacy rate is about 98%, same as yours. We rank 159th in unemployment, you rank behind us at 166th. We rank 60th in life expectancy, you rank way behind 102nd! In terms of individual economic freedom we again rank much higher than you, Albania 59th, Serbia 77th. I don't know what lies you've been reading, but in reality Serbia is no better than Albania, you are just another poor and backwards Balkan country.

So, keep dreaming Ivan, the only lands that will be retaken are Presheva, Sanxhak and Nish. You have been sucking Albanian blood for too long, but the tables have turned again and you will once more return to serving your Albanian masters.

(icj1, 16 February 2016 15:39) Well, I read the transcript and did not find anything there, proven beyond reasonable doubt, which supports what this certain Amnesty Yugoslavia wrote. So the only source that claims those writings as being a fact proven beyond reasonable doubt is this certain Amnesty Yugoslavia.

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Amnesty Yugolsavia actually wrote that Nenad Jovic's testimony supports a prima faceia case against the ICTY.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 17 February 2016 13:37)

Ah, ok... got it. So, our dear friend Amnesty Yugoslavia does not have any fact proven beyond reasonable doubt to support his/her arguments and therefore his/her arguments can be safely ignored!

The war criminals ask the court to show them respect? This has to be the joke of the day.

Tough luck mate.

The Hague was never there to make you happy.

On the contrary.

It was there to give consequences to criminals, and messages to people like you.

You won't get an apology. You will be expected to conform.

You won't get any sympathy. It was inappropriate Serb nationalism destroyed that.

It's a court - you will have to respect that or lose a lot more.

If you feel humilitated, that is more a statement about your psychology.

Diplomatically, you are digging a hole for yourself.

Politically you are acting-up in order to deceive Serbs to vote for you.

In all respects your little outburst is weak and very unimpressive.
(Bob, 11 February 2016 19:21) # Comment link


Just curious but have any western leaders or military members been sent to this court for all the damages they have done to the middle east???

icj1, 11 February 2016 14:56) What is this thing that ICTY did that has a good part of the Serb government up in arms?!

First they held a Serb citizens in Hague for 12 years ,without a convictions, like "The Serb Nelson Mandela"!.
(sasa.p, 12 February 2016 14:37)

I'm not aware of any Serb citizens held in the Hague for 12 years without convictions. Who are these Serb citizens?!

@icj1

I know your first language is Albanian
(Jugoslavija, 12 February 2016 14:15)

Lol, sure if you have been appointed as the global authority of determining first languages, whatever that means.
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I understand that your lack of English, analytical and mathematical skills are atrocious.
(Jugoslavija, 12 February 2016 14:15)

You totally got it, dear. You are finally learning something, at least. Yes I lack the skills of understanding your English, and your analytical and mathematical reasoning. I think you'd find few people, if any, that would understand them :)
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But if you want to make a contribution that actually makes sense, read The Hague tribunal transcripts instead of making stupid comments constantly with no support.
(Jugoslavija, 12 February 2016 14:15)

Yup, I have read them and have not been able to find anything that the Hague has determined beyond reasonable doubt that support your arguments. And you have not shown any evidence to contradict any of my comments, other than because you say so!

(icj1, 12 February 2016 15:41) Information really takes time to travel to Serbia!!!
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Please educate yourself and learn that Serbia offered to conduct a hearing and judge those responsible for this witness' intimidation more than one year ago. Witness Jovic provided evidence that the OTP perpetrated this crime and ICTY's absurd response was an infantile and baseless counter claim against the defense team.

(icj1) Please provide the evidence that the Court determined beyond reasonable doubt that the above crime was committed. Otherwise it remains just a ALLEGED.
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Serbia offered to review ALL the evidence and provide the judicial determination. Since the evidence directly implicate crimes by the ICTY versus allegations by the ICTY the crimes were committed by defense counsel, an unbiased evaluation of evidence could only be conducted by an appropriate third party. Yes, we understand you and other ICTY apologists only recognize biased judges.

(icj1) Well, few people would recognize "evidence" that has not been determined to be credible evidence beyond reasonable doubt, at least until you provide proof that that determination was made.
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Yes, there is absolutely no proof to substantiate the allegations by the ICTY that defense counsel intimidated anyone. In fact, the evidence indicates that the ICTY actually committed the crimes. The facts in the ICTY's own records support a prima faceia case AGAINST the ICTY.

(icj1, 13 February 2016 03:32) So far, the evidence of the crime that ICTY has allegedly perpetrated is because a certain Amnesty Yugoslavia said so!
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Dude, if you had read the ICTY transcript from 6 July 2010, you would have realized that Amnesty Yugoslavia did not testify or say anything. The court transcript has the testimony of the prosecution's witness, namely one Nenad Jovic. You may wish to remove yourself from whatever fairytale your warped mind occupies and recognize the absurdities if your statements.

(icj1, 13 February 2016 03:54) said education did not change the time that it took for the information about Nenad Jovic's sworn testimony to reach Vucic, who only this week realized that he must protest about it lol

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The Sebian government has been offering to hear all the evidence regarding ICTYs criminal threats, intiminidation and blackmails of Nenad Jovic for more than a year. The latest protest was in specific response to the ICTY's Feb 10th 2016 public statement. I agree with you: the crimes of the ICTY which the intimidated witness exposed during the Seselj trial should have prosecuted in a more timely and vigorous manner.

Notably,Vucic and the Serbian government agree with icj1 that the allegations against Seselj's defence are fictitious and baseless accusations.

You are leeches and parasites riding on the coattails of the US, that is all.
(ivan, 15 February 2016 15:15)

That's smart, no? Whatever delivers results!

Imagine if Serbia had done the same in the last 20 years; Serbia would have never been bombed by NATO and Kosovo would still be part of Serbia.

Instead Serbia decided to be Russia's slave, but unfortunately for Serbia, Russia is irrelevant in the Balkans!

Notably,Vucic and the Serbian government agree with icj1 that the allegations against Seselj's defence are fictitious and baseless accusations.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 13 February 2016 18:58)

I'm glad that we agree that any allegations against Seselj, ICTY, or anybody else which are not proven beyond reasonable doubt, are just allegations and not established facts.

A principle applies to everybody...

Dude, if you had read the ICTY transcript from 6 July 2010, you would have realized that Amnesty Yugoslavia did not testify or say anything. The court transcript has the testimony of the prosecution's witness, namely one Nenad Jovic. You may wish to remove yourself from whatever fairytale your warped mind occupies and recognize the absurdities if your statements.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 13 February 2016 18:23)

Well, I read the transcript and did not find anything there, proven beyond reasonable doubt, which supports what this certain Amnesty Yugoslavia wrote. So the only source that claims those writings as being a fact proven beyond reasonable doubt is this certain Amnesty Yugoslavia!

It's possible though that I might have missed something, so feel free to take any argument that Amnesty Yugoslavia wrote, and then provide a link to the transcript at icty.org and the paragraph(s) in that transcript which show(s) that what Amnesty Yugoslavia wrote was proven beyond reasonable doubt.

(icj1, 16 February 2016 15:39) Well, I read the transcript and did not find anything there, proven beyond reasonable doubt, which supports what this certain Amnesty Yugoslavia wrote. So the only source that claims those writings as being a fact proven beyond reasonable doubt is this certain Amnesty Yugoslavia.

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Amnesty Yugolsavia actually wrote that Nenad Jovic's testimony supports a prima faceia case against the ICTY. With regard to "reasonable doubt": I have no doubt whatsoever that icj1 is a Reader (or reader) who can't read.

Not even 100 of you are worth one Albanian man.
(Genti, 15 February 2016 06:35) # Comment li

The dumb Albanians do know how to take lots of shots.

COOL SERBIAN GUY BEAT THE SH*T OUT OF 2 ALBANIANS
WITH SUNGLASSES ON !!Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=04b_1413554842#j30kWgGqAYYPvede.99

You have always showed that kind of cowardice throughout history.
(Genti, 17 February 2016 04:25)

History shows otherwise! German General Von Mackenson on the bravery and courage of the Serb soldiers during WWI is just one example.

Albanian bravery is comprised of stealing warriors such as Greek heroe Giorgos Kastriotishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8BF70cHVe8

Hardened german field marshal honours Serbian defenders of Belgrade in WWI
„You are not going to the Italian, or Russian, or the French front. You are going into a fight against a new enemy who is dangerous, tough, brave and sharp. You are going to the Serbian front, to Serbia, and Serbs are the people who love their freedom and who are willing to fight for it to their last. Do your best so this minuscule enemy does not overshadow your glory and compromise the success you’ve achieved so far in the glorious German army“.
This is the speech that field marshal August von Mackensen held before departing for the Serbian front in autumn of 1915.

Unity, courage, and patriotism of the fighters who fell during the defence of Belgrade inspired von Mackensen. He erected a monument to honour them in Topčider. That was a rare historic example of the victor who honoured his enemy’s army in such a manner. It was written on the monument, in both Serbian and German:„Serbian heroes rest here“.

Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=abf_1407452333#lzUczTvdWUf7ZLXk.99

(icj1, 18 February 2016 14:33) Amnesty Yugoslavia does not have any fact proven beyond reasonable doubt to support his/her arguments and therefore his/her arguments can be safely ignored!

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Considerations for the "ignorant":

1. a first hand witness provided the sworn testimony.
2 this was not second hand testimony, but testimony by an individual who was intimidated and bribed by the ICTY.
3. This was a witness originally called for the prosecution; NOT a defence witness.
4. The OTP must have standards for its own witnesses and therfore it is reasonable to assume this evidence to be credible.
5. Is icj1's argument that OTP witnesses are not credible?
4. In most reputable jurisdiciaries "proof beyond reasonable doubt" is required for CONVICTION. Why is proof beyond reasonable doubt required for investigation or a prima faceia case at the ICTY?
5. What are the different legal Burdens of Proof at the ICTY? Are some investigations and indictments based on simple allegations whereas others require proof beyond reasonable doubt?
7. Are different standards of evidence used for different people and ethnicities at the ICTY? Are some investigations and indictments initiated on grounds of "reasonable suspicion" whereas others, such OTP crimes, require "beyond readonable doubt"?
5. Should the same laws and principles apply equally to all? Why is icj1 demanding "proof beyond reasonable doubt" to initiate a prima faceia case?

(icj1, 18 February 2016 14:33) Amnesty Yugoslavia does not have any fact proven beyond reasonable doubt to support his/her arguments and therefore his/her arguments can be safely ignored!

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Proof beyond reasonable doubt that OTP corruption and cover-up are systemic ICTY crimes is indeed substantiated by Nenad Jovic's testimony. These facts are plainly evident on 11 pages of the 6 July 2010 testimony. Pages 16161 to pages 16172, inclusively, provide no doubt whatsoever, about systemic corruption and cover-up by the OTP and the ICTY. icj1 and other blind ICTY apologists are willfully ignorant to these undeniable facts.