Just keep digging deeper and deeper Mr. Rogozin, and when you come to a very hot place, your grandfather should be there, along with all of your deceased communist heros.
The truth is that no one knows who you really are. The most suspicious are the antique and the medieval part of your story and I am ready to discuss it. Many peoples are prisoners of their imagination so I am not here to hurt you. But never call yourself an Albanian because it was the name used for the Russians from the White Horde only. It was the main of the 3 Hordes and it’s responsibility zone was north (Moscow, Vladimir, Petersburg, Poland, Belorussia, Prussia, Germany, Britain, Benelux, Sweden) from the Balkans. Balkans belonged to the Golden Horde later known as the Great Porte (Horde) or the Ottomans. Like all other hordes it was ruled by the people from the White Horde i.e. the Albanians of the Rurikovici dynasty. But they spoke Slovenski language and were Orthodox Christians before late 17 century. Smaller peoples were part of the Ottoman part of the Great Horde including Italy ,France, Spain, Balkans, Caucasus and Africa. So were your ancestors. But they could not have states of their own inside the Horde or the Porta. Just because nobody had. Those tales were written in 19 century only and this is why histories of the Balkan peoples contradict so much. I believe that your ancestors lived here before 14 century when the Great Horde invaded or they came with the Horde. But it makes little difference in your territorial conflict with all your neighbors because all their lands are fixed in multiple documents.
Oh, poor little rote,
All the people came from somewhere. You prefer the "Adam & Eva" theoria or the Darvin one?
It is well documented that the only migration in Balkan since the XVII century ( before that we don't know ) was the SLAVIC one, which were settled in Ilirian lands, no?
Now, tell us the fairy tale of how the Ilirians were Russians and how they disappeared?
There were different Slavic tribe – one of them were Serbs, and there were different Illyrian tribes and one of them were the “Albanoi” Illyrian tribe.
About our origin I have no idea – do you know your origin? (Where Russians came from?) Sure is - that we were in these lands before the Slavic migration.
All I must tell is that Albanian language in Unique in World and have similarity just with Germanic and Baltic languages – nothing Russian, Azerbaijani or ME.
So, Is to see who steal something from Albanians, my dear.
Ps: Albanians and the Scottish men are the only which have the kilt as folk tradition. Fustanella was an Iliran tradition - not Greek.
So if you are interested in Albanian origin: 1. You will see the language 2. the traditions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania_(placename)
“ Serbs are very lucky that Russian government has supressed any information information about russian corps, Pannwitz cossacks and basically destruction of entire white russian community by serbian partisans and chetniks.”
The two states were brothers in arms in WW2 and they kept on coordinating their activities in the postwar time for a while. So what you say is how Tito helped Stalin when Stalin closed eyes at the terror against the chetniks. WW2 brought civil wars in almost every eastern European state and the USSR and Yugoslavia were not exclusions. Russians were not united and so were the Yugoslavians and one were to choose side while Tito and Stalin not only had the same name but the same ideology as well. So you have to take the facts into consideration before you make your conclusions about the relations between the two peoples.
How were white russians soviets. They were anti-communist immigrants who came to Serbia because they had illusions that serbs were 'fellow orthodox brothers'. They understood too late that WW1 was just a ploy to use russian blood to build Velika Srbija. If we go by the logic that croatian communists like Tudjman and former fascists turned communist like Marko Mesic did all the evils in 'holy Belgrade', than croats truly must be a master race. Real world we all know that serbs were more than happy to kill white russians, because they thought Josip Broz would reward them handsomley. And if people like Mesic killed russians, than he probably did it out of anger for what russians had done to Croatian POWs captured in Stalingrad, serbs had no excuse.
What was the difference in 1944? Uuumh, how about the fact that white rusdian emigrees in Serbia thought that serbs were their brothers and that WW1 was worth it. Serbs are very lucky that Russian government has supressed any information information about russian corps, Pannwitz cossacks and basically destruction of entire white russian community by serbian partisans and chetniks. It is very good that this clown wants to bring this up again, Putin will soon have to block google due to increasing 'serbophobia' in Russia.
Not everything was destroyed though. My understanding is that there are building in Belgrade that were designed by Vasily Baumgarten who had to escape in 1945 before 'serbian brothers' put him up against the wall. It is very good that these putinist neosoviets are prepared to finally recognized that october revolution chased out some of the best minds of russian society and left it in its present state, serbs of course biggest benefactors ofthe post-1917 brainleak.
For a Serb to feel like a good patriotic Serb he/she has to tell him/herself he/she is better than an Albanian.
(J, 23 January 2016 04:02)
Making generalizations about total populations shows your lack of knowledge.
After reading some of the comments made by Albanians, it is not a very lofty goal to be better than them.
You really should try to understand the historical context of your "white Russian" comment. Tito was afraid of Soviet interference in Yugoslavia and thus purged many Russians. He spent decades building a defensive strategic army preparing for Soviet invasion which never came. If you recall your history, the Soviets poisoned then Bulgarian leader Dimitrov after WW2 which put Tito on alert. It's no secret that Tito was trying to bring Bulgaria and Albania as part if a largerYugoslav or Balkan federation . It has nothing to do with ethnicity which is just a smoke screen for all conflicts.
Serbian identity is based off of the denial of Albanian identity. This explains the Serb schizophrenic beliefs, of being brave, macho, super smart, victorious, and at the same time poor oppressed victims. When your identity is not based on denying another people's identity then the picture is clear, there is no schizophrenic duality of victor/victim attitude. The uncertainty towards their own identity produces the uncertainty of how they view themselves as victors/victims. For a Serb to feel like a good patriotic Serb he/she has to tell him/herself he/she is better than an Albanian. It is a sad state of affairs for so much of your identity to be based on this.
Didn't the Nazis bomb and destroy graveyards? I know NATO bombed graveyards. In a book called something like "The Search for Lieserl", who was Einstein's out-of-wedlock daughter with a Serbian woman, and fellow student at Zurich Polytechnic, it was impossible to find her grave or what happened to her, partially due to so many records being destroyed by Germany's attacks on Serbia.
Germany bombed the libraries and churches where the records were kept.
The Blessing of the Graves! As a very young child I discovered Divinity, the profound power of religion, the very old Saintly Russian Priest who blessed my parents graves! The comfort of Divinity within the wounded heart! I hope and pray that Serbia truely opens it's heart for Mother Russia, only Love and Respect, that is all we need to offer! Many Russian people sacrified, suffered and died keeping Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity alive in the Balkans! Every Serbian who has children, grand children and great grand children be gratefull to Mother Russia!
FAS : Can´t really understand this Albanian "illyrian"-cr-p.
Who told you that they are Illirians? One of their multiple problems is self-identification as they try to be a bit of a Russian (Albanian) and a bit of a Greek (Illirian) at the time. It’s like drinking coffee both with milk and a lemon. But because they don’t know who they are they identify themselves as birds. Crows or hawks or turkeys this I forgot. Also they don’t know where they came from. I heard several versions including Russia, Azerbaijan and the ME. Finally they know nothing about the history before 19 century. So they steal other people’s heroes and build monuments to them. It’s not only Skanderbeu that I mean but also people like Mohammad Ali from Cherkassy … So lots of things are not clear about our neighbors. Neither do we know how good they fight when the pumpers are full. Because we never saw them in survival fights that Russians and Serbs practiced in every century. Best if they step back of course but I am afraid we’ll have to test them some day.
To Peter the Rock and whatever other Shqiptars,
What does illyrans have to do with the Story.!
You Shqiptars are from Turkey ,check the traditional 's and habits.You will ,is that You Shqiptars are the same as that Kurd's ,particularly from ADANA state in Turkey. You Shqiptars, Bosnians and Montenegro are not race's, but Kurd's, Turk's and Montenegro specifically for Serb's, that is the start of these race's.
Illyrians, ha,ha,ha make me laugh out loud!,
And in the future many others will also taste the blessid soil of ancient illyria and share the same fate as your grandfather if you also cling on to the same aggressive policies of the past!!!
(Peter-the-Rocky, 22 January 2016 13:16)
Can´t really understand this Albanian "illyrian"-cr-p.
There are no empirical evidence to support such outlandish claims. You are evidently and obviously a primitive tribe of Turkish origin. Why so ashamed of that and why so ashamed of your Albanian names? Live with it and if you are a "Rexhep" than call yourself that.
Truth hurts, huh musik rote. Here is a thought for ya. There were 20 000 ethnic rusdians living in Yugoslavia prior to ww2. If most of them left due to communism, than what does that telm you. Serb is prepared to massacre its 'russian brother', if russians don't see eye to eye with them. I get it, it was Tudjman and other ustashi communist masonic vatican croats who terrorized 'holy serbs and russians' under CROAT Tito. You should also read what happened when your people went to shoot a movie called In the Mountains of Yugoslavia, hilarious stuff.
"illyrian" delusions of grandeur are quite amusing. Every time i read one of their comments i can't stop laughing for at least 10 minutes. They should give up drug, weapon and organ trafficking and do Stand-up comedy instead.
Yes rogozin, search for your grandfathers grave & the many others which traveled 1000s of km to help their Serbian barbarian Bretren occupy sacred illyrian-Albanian lands with campaines of ethnic cleansing & genocide against mostly unarmed civilians, just to create a Russian satellite state on sacred Albanian lands in Southern Europe!
I'm truly grateful that you acknowledge that your grandfather is buried on these ancient & sacred Albanian inhabited lands, were many other aggressors remaines lie as well! Your grandfather might have met my great-grandfather on these sacred battle fields and was probably the last person he seen alive before tasting the sacred illyrian soil like many many other aggressors!!!
And in the future many others will also taste the blessid soil of ancient illyria and share the same fate as your grandfather if you also cling on to the same aggressive policies of the past!!!
Welcome to the ancient and now reunifying Illyrian nation of Southern Europe, we will greet you warmly and our hearts alight with joy!!!
It was called Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenese before 1929. White russians in Yugoslavia were nazi collaborators. It is actually hilarious to think that third victim of serbian etnic cleansing after bulgarians and Vojvodina hungarians were white russian emigrees. I wobder if this idiot is trying to claim rrlation to Anatoly Rogozhin, than he should look in California and ask Obama.
To Waithilarous or whatever your name is,
Yugoslavia in 1929,did exist.Second there where no Nazi's in power in Whole of Europe, let alone Yugoslavia in 1929,so why would he be a collaborator with the German Nazi's.
Nazi's weren't in power in Germany when he left the country in 1920.Nazi's weren't in power anywhere in 1920's.
In 20th May 1928,The Social Democratic Party won the election!
Stupid comment without knowing facts!,
What a Wally!
Does this idiot even know that Yugoslavia existed after 1929 and that 98 percent of white russians in that entity collaborated with the nazis. If your ancestor was a nazi collaborator, than I guess that explains your actions towards Ukraine.
To Waithilarous or whatever your name is,
Yugoslavia in 1929,did exist.Second there where no Nazi's in power in Whole of Europe, let alone Yugoslavia in 1929,so why would he be a collaborator with the German Nazi's.
Nazi's weren't in power in Germany when he left the country in 1920.Nazi's weren't in power anywhere in 1920's.
In 20th May 1928,The Social Democratic Party won the election!
Stupid comment without knowing facts!,
What a Wally!
"illyrian" delusions of grandeur are quite amusing. Every time i read one of their comments i can't stop laughing for at least 10 minutes. They should give up drug, weapon and organ trafficking and do Stand-up comedy instead.
Can´t really understand this Albanian "illyrian"-cr-p.
There are no empirical evidence to support such outlandish claims. You are evidently and obviously a primitive tribe of Turkish origin. Why so ashamed of that and why so ashamed of your Albanian names? Live with it and if you are a "Rexhep" than call yourself that.
And in the future many others will also taste the blessid soil of ancient illyria and share the same fate as your grandfather if you also cling on to the same aggressive policies of the past!!!
(Peter-the-Rocky, 22 January 2016 13:16)
To Peter the Rock and whatever other Shqiptars,
What does illyrans have to do with the Story.!
You Shqiptars are from Turkey ,check the traditional 's and habits.You will ,is that You Shqiptars are the same as that Kurd's ,particularly from ADANA state in Turkey. You Shqiptars, Bosnians and Montenegro are not race's, but Kurd's, Turk's and Montenegro specifically for Serb's, that is the start of these race's.
Illyrians, ha,ha,ha make me laugh out loud!,
Yes rogozin, search for your grandfathers grave & the many others which traveled 1000s of km to help their Serbian barbarian Bretren occupy sacred illyrian-Albanian lands with campaines of ethnic cleansing & genocide against mostly unarmed civilians, just to create a Russian satellite state on sacred Albanian lands in Southern Europe!
I'm truly grateful that you acknowledge that your grandfather is buried on these ancient & sacred Albanian inhabited lands, were many other aggressors remaines lie as well! Your grandfather might have met my great-grandfather on these sacred battle fields and was probably the last person he seen alive before tasting the sacred illyrian soil like many many other aggressors!!!
And in the future many others will also taste the blessid soil of ancient illyria and share the same fate as your grandfather if you also cling on to the same aggressive policies of the past!!!
Welcome to the ancient and now reunifying Illyrian nation of Southern Europe, we will greet you warmly and our hearts alight with joy!!!
The Blessing of the Graves! As a very young child I discovered Divinity, the profound power of religion, the very old Saintly Russian Priest who blessed my parents graves! The comfort of Divinity within the wounded heart! I hope and pray that Serbia truely opens it's heart for Mother Russia, only Love and Respect, that is all we need to offer! Many Russian people sacrified, suffered and died keeping Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity alive in the Balkans! Every Serbian who has children, grand children and great grand children be gratefull to Mother Russia!
FAS : Can´t really understand this Albanian "illyrian"-cr-p.
Who told you that they are Illirians? One of their multiple problems is self-identification as they try to be a bit of a Russian (Albanian) and a bit of a Greek (Illirian) at the time. It’s like drinking coffee both with milk and a lemon. But because they don’t know who they are they identify themselves as birds. Crows or hawks or turkeys this I forgot. Also they don’t know where they came from. I heard several versions including Russia, Azerbaijan and the ME. Finally they know nothing about the history before 19 century. So they steal other people’s heroes and build monuments to them. It’s not only Skanderbeu that I mean but also people like Mohammad Ali from Cherkassy … So lots of things are not clear about our neighbors. Neither do we know how good they fight when the pumpers are full. Because we never saw them in survival fights that Russians and Serbs practiced in every century. Best if they step back of course but I am afraid we’ll have to test them some day.
Serbian identity is based off of the denial of Albanian identity. This explains the Serb schizophrenic beliefs, of being brave, macho, super smart, victorious, and at the same time poor oppressed victims. When your identity is not based on denying another people's identity then the picture is clear, there is no schizophrenic duality of victor/victim attitude. The uncertainty towards their own identity produces the uncertainty of how they view themselves as victors/victims. For a Serb to feel like a good patriotic Serb he/she has to tell him/herself he/she is better than an Albanian. It is a sad state of affairs for so much of your identity to be based on this.
Does this idiot even know that Yugoslavia existed after 1929 and that 98 percent of white russians in that entity collaborated with the nazis. If your ancestor was a nazi collaborator, than I guess that explains your actions towards Ukraine.
Didn't the Nazis bomb and destroy graveyards? I know NATO bombed graveyards. In a book called something like "The Search for Lieserl", who was Einstein's out-of-wedlock daughter with a Serbian woman, and fellow student at Zurich Polytechnic, it was impossible to find her grave or what happened to her, partially due to so many records being destroyed by Germany's attacks on Serbia.
Germany bombed the libraries and churches where the records were kept.
Truth hurts, huh musik rote. Here is a thought for ya. There were 20 000 ethnic rusdians living in Yugoslavia prior to ww2. If most of them left due to communism, than what does that telm you. Serb is prepared to massacre its 'russian brother', if russians don't see eye to eye with them. I get it, it was Tudjman and other ustashi communist masonic vatican croats who terrorized 'holy serbs and russians' under CROAT Tito. You should also read what happened when your people went to shoot a movie called In the Mountains of Yugoslavia, hilarious stuff.
It was called Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenese before 1929. White russians in Yugoslavia were nazi collaborators. It is actually hilarious to think that third victim of serbian etnic cleansing after bulgarians and Vojvodina hungarians were white russian emigrees. I wobder if this idiot is trying to claim rrlation to Anatoly Rogozhin, than he should look in California and ask Obama.
You really should try to understand the historical context of your "white Russian" comment. Tito was afraid of Soviet interference in Yugoslavia and thus purged many Russians. He spent decades building a defensive strategic army preparing for Soviet invasion which never came. If you recall your history, the Soviets poisoned then Bulgarian leader Dimitrov after WW2 which put Tito on alert. It's no secret that Tito was trying to bring Bulgaria and Albania as part if a largerYugoslav or Balkan federation . It has nothing to do with ethnicity which is just a smoke screen for all conflicts.
For a Serb to feel like a good patriotic Serb he/she has to tell him/herself he/she is better than an Albanian.
(J, 23 January 2016 04:02)
Making generalizations about total populations shows your lack of knowledge.
After reading some of the comments made by Albanians, it is not a very lofty goal to be better than them.
Oh, poor little rote,
All the people came from somewhere. You prefer the "Adam & Eva" theoria or the Darvin one?
It is well documented that the only migration in Balkan since the XVII century ( before that we don't know ) was the SLAVIC one, which were settled in Ilirian lands, no?
Now, tell us the fairy tale of how the Ilirians were Russians and how they disappeared?
There were different Slavic tribe – one of them were Serbs, and there were different Illyrian tribes and one of them were the “Albanoi” Illyrian tribe.
About our origin I have no idea – do you know your origin? (Where Russians came from?) Sure is - that we were in these lands before the Slavic migration.
All I must tell is that Albanian language in Unique in World and have similarity just with Germanic and Baltic languages – nothing Russian, Azerbaijani or ME.
So, Is to see who steal something from Albanians, my dear.
Ps: Albanians and the Scottish men are the only which have the kilt as folk tradition. Fustanella was an Iliran tradition - not Greek.
So if you are interested in Albanian origin: 1. You will see the language 2. the traditions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania_(placename)
What was the difference in 1944? Uuumh, how about the fact that white rusdian emigrees in Serbia thought that serbs were their brothers and that WW1 was worth it. Serbs are very lucky that Russian government has supressed any information information about russian corps, Pannwitz cossacks and basically destruction of entire white russian community by serbian partisans and chetniks. It is very good that this clown wants to bring this up again, Putin will soon have to block google due to increasing 'serbophobia' in Russia.
Not everything was destroyed though. My understanding is that there are building in Belgrade that were designed by Vasily Baumgarten who had to escape in 1945 before 'serbian brothers' put him up against the wall. It is very good that these putinist neosoviets are prepared to finally recognized that october revolution chased out some of the best minds of russian society and left it in its present state, serbs of course biggest benefactors ofthe post-1917 brainleak.
“ Serbs are very lucky that Russian government has supressed any information information about russian corps, Pannwitz cossacks and basically destruction of entire white russian community by serbian partisans and chetniks.”
The two states were brothers in arms in WW2 and they kept on coordinating their activities in the postwar time for a while. So what you say is how Tito helped Stalin when Stalin closed eyes at the terror against the chetniks. WW2 brought civil wars in almost every eastern European state and the USSR and Yugoslavia were not exclusions. Russians were not united and so were the Yugoslavians and one were to choose side while Tito and Stalin not only had the same name but the same ideology as well. So you have to take the facts into consideration before you make your conclusions about the relations between the two peoples.
How were white russians soviets. They were anti-communist immigrants who came to Serbia because they had illusions that serbs were 'fellow orthodox brothers'. They understood too late that WW1 was just a ploy to use russian blood to build Velika Srbija. If we go by the logic that croatian communists like Tudjman and former fascists turned communist like Marko Mesic did all the evils in 'holy Belgrade', than croats truly must be a master race. Real world we all know that serbs were more than happy to kill white russians, because they thought Josip Broz would reward them handsomley. And if people like Mesic killed russians, than he probably did it out of anger for what russians had done to Croatian POWs captured in Stalingrad, serbs had no excuse.
The truth is that no one knows who you really are. The most suspicious are the antique and the medieval part of your story and I am ready to discuss it. Many peoples are prisoners of their imagination so I am not here to hurt you. But never call yourself an Albanian because it was the name used for the Russians from the White Horde only. It was the main of the 3 Hordes and it’s responsibility zone was north (Moscow, Vladimir, Petersburg, Poland, Belorussia, Prussia, Germany, Britain, Benelux, Sweden) from the Balkans. Balkans belonged to the Golden Horde later known as the Great Porte (Horde) or the Ottomans. Like all other hordes it was ruled by the people from the White Horde i.e. the Albanians of the Rurikovici dynasty. But they spoke Slovenski language and were Orthodox Christians before late 17 century. Smaller peoples were part of the Ottoman part of the Great Horde including Italy ,France, Spain, Balkans, Caucasus and Africa. So were your ancestors. But they could not have states of their own inside the Horde or the Porta. Just because nobody had. Those tales were written in 19 century only and this is why histories of the Balkan peoples contradict so much. I believe that your ancestors lived here before 14 century when the Great Horde invaded or they came with the Horde. But it makes little difference in your territorial conflict with all your neighbors because all their lands are fixed in multiple documents.
Just keep digging deeper and deeper Mr. Rogozin, and when you come to a very hot place, your grandfather should be there, along with all of your deceased communist heros.
Yes rogozin, search for your grandfathers grave & the many others which traveled 1000s of km to help their Serbian barbarian Bretren occupy sacred illyrian-Albanian lands with campaines of ethnic cleansing & genocide against mostly unarmed civilians, just to create a Russian satellite state on sacred Albanian lands in Southern Europe!
I'm truly grateful that you acknowledge that your grandfather is buried on these ancient & sacred Albanian inhabited lands, were many other aggressors remaines lie as well! Your grandfather might have met my great-grandfather on these sacred battle fields and was probably the last person he seen alive before tasting the sacred illyrian soil like many many other aggressors!!!
And in the future many others will also taste the blessid soil of ancient illyria and share the same fate as your grandfather if you also cling on to the same aggressive policies of the past!!!
Welcome to the ancient and now reunifying Illyrian nation of Southern Europe, we will greet you warmly and our hearts alight with joy!!!
Does this idiot even know that Yugoslavia existed after 1929 and that 98 percent of white russians in that entity collaborated with the nazis. If your ancestor was a nazi collaborator, than I guess that explains your actions towards Ukraine.
Truth hurts, huh musik rote. Here is a thought for ya. There were 20 000 ethnic rusdians living in Yugoslavia prior to ww2. If most of them left due to communism, than what does that telm you. Serb is prepared to massacre its 'russian brother', if russians don't see eye to eye with them. I get it, it was Tudjman and other ustashi communist masonic vatican croats who terrorized 'holy serbs and russians' under CROAT Tito. You should also read what happened when your people went to shoot a movie called In the Mountains of Yugoslavia, hilarious stuff.
FAS : Can´t really understand this Albanian "illyrian"-cr-p.
Who told you that they are Illirians? One of their multiple problems is self-identification as they try to be a bit of a Russian (Albanian) and a bit of a Greek (Illirian) at the time. It’s like drinking coffee both with milk and a lemon. But because they don’t know who they are they identify themselves as birds. Crows or hawks or turkeys this I forgot. Also they don’t know where they came from. I heard several versions including Russia, Azerbaijan and the ME. Finally they know nothing about the history before 19 century. So they steal other people’s heroes and build monuments to them. It’s not only Skanderbeu that I mean but also people like Mohammad Ali from Cherkassy … So lots of things are not clear about our neighbors. Neither do we know how good they fight when the pumpers are full. Because we never saw them in survival fights that Russians and Serbs practiced in every century. Best if they step back of course but I am afraid we’ll have to test them some day.
It was called Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenese before 1929. White russians in Yugoslavia were nazi collaborators. It is actually hilarious to think that third victim of serbian etnic cleansing after bulgarians and Vojvodina hungarians were white russian emigrees. I wobder if this idiot is trying to claim rrlation to Anatoly Rogozhin, than he should look in California and ask Obama.
"illyrian" delusions of grandeur are quite amusing. Every time i read one of their comments i can't stop laughing for at least 10 minutes. They should give up drug, weapon and organ trafficking and do Stand-up comedy instead.
Serbian identity is based off of the denial of Albanian identity. This explains the Serb schizophrenic beliefs, of being brave, macho, super smart, victorious, and at the same time poor oppressed victims. When your identity is not based on denying another people's identity then the picture is clear, there is no schizophrenic duality of victor/victim attitude. The uncertainty towards their own identity produces the uncertainty of how they view themselves as victors/victims. For a Serb to feel like a good patriotic Serb he/she has to tell him/herself he/she is better than an Albanian. It is a sad state of affairs for so much of your identity to be based on this.
Can´t really understand this Albanian "illyrian"-cr-p.
There are no empirical evidence to support such outlandish claims. You are evidently and obviously a primitive tribe of Turkish origin. Why so ashamed of that and why so ashamed of your Albanian names? Live with it and if you are a "Rexhep" than call yourself that.
And in the future many others will also taste the blessid soil of ancient illyria and share the same fate as your grandfather if you also cling on to the same aggressive policies of the past!!!
(Peter-the-Rocky, 22 January 2016 13:16)
To Peter the Rock and whatever other Shqiptars,
What does illyrans have to do with the Story.!
You Shqiptars are from Turkey ,check the traditional 's and habits.You will ,is that You Shqiptars are the same as that Kurd's ,particularly from ADANA state in Turkey. You Shqiptars, Bosnians and Montenegro are not race's, but Kurd's, Turk's and Montenegro specifically for Serb's, that is the start of these race's.
Illyrians, ha,ha,ha make me laugh out loud!,
To Waithilarous or whatever your name is,
Yugoslavia in 1929,did exist.Second there where no Nazi's in power in Whole of Europe, let alone Yugoslavia in 1929,so why would he be a collaborator with the German Nazi's.
Nazi's weren't in power in Germany when he left the country in 1920.Nazi's weren't in power anywhere in 1920's.
In 20th May 1928,The Social Democratic Party won the election!
Stupid comment without knowing facts!,
What a Wally!
For a Serb to feel like a good patriotic Serb he/she has to tell him/herself he/she is better than an Albanian.
(J, 23 January 2016 04:02)
Making generalizations about total populations shows your lack of knowledge.
After reading some of the comments made by Albanians, it is not a very lofty goal to be better than them.
The truth is that no one knows who you really are. The most suspicious are the antique and the medieval part of your story and I am ready to discuss it. Many peoples are prisoners of their imagination so I am not here to hurt you. But never call yourself an Albanian because it was the name used for the Russians from the White Horde only. It was the main of the 3 Hordes and it’s responsibility zone was north (Moscow, Vladimir, Petersburg, Poland, Belorussia, Prussia, Germany, Britain, Benelux, Sweden) from the Balkans. Balkans belonged to the Golden Horde later known as the Great Porte (Horde) or the Ottomans. Like all other hordes it was ruled by the people from the White Horde i.e. the Albanians of the Rurikovici dynasty. But they spoke Slovenski language and were Orthodox Christians before late 17 century. Smaller peoples were part of the Ottoman part of the Great Horde including Italy ,France, Spain, Balkans, Caucasus and Africa. So were your ancestors. But they could not have states of their own inside the Horde or the Porta. Just because nobody had. Those tales were written in 19 century only and this is why histories of the Balkan peoples contradict so much. I believe that your ancestors lived here before 14 century when the Great Horde invaded or they came with the Horde. But it makes little difference in your territorial conflict with all your neighbors because all their lands are fixed in multiple documents.
The Blessing of the Graves! As a very young child I discovered Divinity, the profound power of religion, the very old Saintly Russian Priest who blessed my parents graves! The comfort of Divinity within the wounded heart! I hope and pray that Serbia truely opens it's heart for Mother Russia, only Love and Respect, that is all we need to offer! Many Russian people sacrified, suffered and died keeping Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity alive in the Balkans! Every Serbian who has children, grand children and great grand children be gratefull to Mother Russia!
Didn't the Nazis bomb and destroy graveyards? I know NATO bombed graveyards. In a book called something like "The Search for Lieserl", who was Einstein's out-of-wedlock daughter with a Serbian woman, and fellow student at Zurich Polytechnic, it was impossible to find her grave or what happened to her, partially due to so many records being destroyed by Germany's attacks on Serbia.
Germany bombed the libraries and churches where the records were kept.
You really should try to understand the historical context of your "white Russian" comment. Tito was afraid of Soviet interference in Yugoslavia and thus purged many Russians. He spent decades building a defensive strategic army preparing for Soviet invasion which never came. If you recall your history, the Soviets poisoned then Bulgarian leader Dimitrov after WW2 which put Tito on alert. It's no secret that Tito was trying to bring Bulgaria and Albania as part if a largerYugoslav or Balkan federation . It has nothing to do with ethnicity which is just a smoke screen for all conflicts.
How were white russians soviets. They were anti-communist immigrants who came to Serbia because they had illusions that serbs were 'fellow orthodox brothers'. They understood too late that WW1 was just a ploy to use russian blood to build Velika Srbija. If we go by the logic that croatian communists like Tudjman and former fascists turned communist like Marko Mesic did all the evils in 'holy Belgrade', than croats truly must be a master race. Real world we all know that serbs were more than happy to kill white russians, because they thought Josip Broz would reward them handsomley. And if people like Mesic killed russians, than he probably did it out of anger for what russians had done to Croatian POWs captured in Stalingrad, serbs had no excuse.
What was the difference in 1944? Uuumh, how about the fact that white rusdian emigrees in Serbia thought that serbs were their brothers and that WW1 was worth it. Serbs are very lucky that Russian government has supressed any information information about russian corps, Pannwitz cossacks and basically destruction of entire white russian community by serbian partisans and chetniks. It is very good that this clown wants to bring this up again, Putin will soon have to block google due to increasing 'serbophobia' in Russia.
Oh, poor little rote,
All the people came from somewhere. You prefer the "Adam & Eva" theoria or the Darvin one?
It is well documented that the only migration in Balkan since the XVII century ( before that we don't know ) was the SLAVIC one, which were settled in Ilirian lands, no?
Now, tell us the fairy tale of how the Ilirians were Russians and how they disappeared?
There were different Slavic tribe – one of them were Serbs, and there were different Illyrian tribes and one of them were the “Albanoi” Illyrian tribe.
About our origin I have no idea – do you know your origin? (Where Russians came from?) Sure is - that we were in these lands before the Slavic migration.
All I must tell is that Albanian language in Unique in World and have similarity just with Germanic and Baltic languages – nothing Russian, Azerbaijani or ME.
So, Is to see who steal something from Albanians, my dear.
Ps: Albanians and the Scottish men are the only which have the kilt as folk tradition. Fustanella was an Iliran tradition - not Greek.
So if you are interested in Albanian origin: 1. You will see the language 2. the traditions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania_(placename)
Just keep digging deeper and deeper Mr. Rogozin, and when you come to a very hot place, your grandfather should be there, along with all of your deceased communist heros.
Not everything was destroyed though. My understanding is that there are building in Belgrade that were designed by Vasily Baumgarten who had to escape in 1945 before 'serbian brothers' put him up against the wall. It is very good that these putinist neosoviets are prepared to finally recognized that october revolution chased out some of the best minds of russian society and left it in its present state, serbs of course biggest benefactors ofthe post-1917 brainleak.
“ Serbs are very lucky that Russian government has supressed any information information about russian corps, Pannwitz cossacks and basically destruction of entire white russian community by serbian partisans and chetniks.”
The two states were brothers in arms in WW2 and they kept on coordinating their activities in the postwar time for a while. So what you say is how Tito helped Stalin when Stalin closed eyes at the terror against the chetniks. WW2 brought civil wars in almost every eastern European state and the USSR and Yugoslavia were not exclusions. Russians were not united and so were the Yugoslavians and one were to choose side while Tito and Stalin not only had the same name but the same ideology as well. So you have to take the facts into consideration before you make your conclusions about the relations between the two peoples.
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