Serbian president to travel to Moscow, meet with Putin again

To Leonard,
Serb's where the only people from the Balkans to fight both Turks and Austrian's, and get Liberation 1814. Pity you Croatnut's and Shqiptars cowards only got that in 1941,thanks to the German's and Italians.
You Croatnut's and Shqiptars ,are more alike ,us Serb's and Russian's are alike.

Serbian president to travel to Moscow, meet with Putin again and beg for money or anything else Russia can spare for poor destitute Serbia. Putin will say to knucklehead. Listed you old Serbian babushka Russia is broke! You send yore icon Russia all that is left in Serbia. That we haven't cleaned you out of already we are getting mighty hungry. Rote that was interesting we always in ex Yugo thought that Serbs are Turks. Serbs were their best loyal allies for centuries.

@Lenard

I just read your psychotic comment. What is your problem? Why do you write such bulls**t? If you hate the Serbs so much, just go on a f***ing Croatian or an Albanian site and have a blast?

The short of it is that before 18 century THE TURKS AND THE RUSSIANS AND THE SERBS WERE SYNONIMS. Yet St. Dmitry Donskoy as one of the most beloved Russians in the history is also most hated by the Serbs who know him as Murad-1 …
(rote, 20 January 2016 21:11)

We always knew!! Serbs have been knowing this for a long time too but they twisted their own history. Someone DID come from turkey to settle in the balkans and what they found was the autochtonous people who today are known as croats, shqiptar, greeks etc.

First Sasa.p compares Serbia to the Vietcong, Taliban and the Islamic State, now you admit the link to Turkey. It feals like we are making progress by finding common ground. Is it possible that we found the lowest common denominator??

Nicolic should keep away from Putin. Putin is now a formal suspect in nuclear terrorism in London.

If Putin approved use of nuclear material to kill Livinenko he is a terrorist. This is the most likely scenario.

If Putin didn't approve use of nuclear material to kill Livinenko he is weak and failing to control his country properly. This is not very likely.

A British court is not a political tool. It's conclusions are evidenced and well considered.

Putin gave a medal to the murderer on the day the evidence against him was stated. That is an effective admission of guilt by Putin. When Putin is out of power, it is likely that the two most involved in the terrorism will be extradited.

All countries should avoid Putin.

Rote Serbs don't believe me also the true plain facts like you say. They have their own twisted version of history to make them feel better. Me and you know better history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nicopolis#Composition_of_Ottoman_forces they are so delusional it is scary.

Leopard : “Rote ... we always in ex Yugo thought that Serbs are Turks. Serbs were their best loyal allies for centuries.”


I am happy that at least a Croat tells the truth from time to time ! Thank you Leopard ! I know you didn’t mean it but it’s what I was hinting at to my Serbian brothers all the time. Thanks and see what we are told about 1389 when it all started:

Nobody can explain what half of the Serbs were doing during the battle and where some of the kniazes vanished afterwards. Strange but on Kosovo it was the only time when the Serbs fought the “turks” while they saved the empire several times. Serbs like Sokologlu Pasha ALWAYS made the top elite of the ”turks” and many Sultans like Mehmet II and Suleiman the Magn.(Солиман) had Serbian mothers and spoke old Serbian but still we are told of some 500 year yoke. Whilst the only church to survive in Istanbul (Cтанбулгар) was Aya Irine inside the Topkapi Tample where the Sultans prayed and died before 1702 … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topkap%C4%B1_Palace …

Most people still believe that the Osmans, the Ottomans and the Turks were one people! Same as the Shqiptars or the Hungarians to be associated with Yugoslavia.

The short of it is that before 18 century THE TURKS AND THE RUSSIANS AND THE SERBS WERE SYNONIMS. Yet St. Dmitry Donskoy as one of the most beloved Russians in the history is also most hated by the Serbs who know him as Murad-1 …

(sasa.p, 20 January 2016 19:42) Their you go talking your Serb nonsense as usual. It was Croatians forces https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8gnJHR12cQ slaughtering the Ottomans criminal despot army's by the 10's of thousands for 100's of years. Ya you Serbs were one of their their best lackeys for centuries after just one battle. It is ok SJ we spend the money for good results now we have a modern country and transportation networks.

It is ok SJ we spend the money for good results now we have a modern country and transportation networks.
(Lenard, 21 January 2016 10:23)

If that why so many Kroats are leaving paradise LOL???? Yes the Austrians told your President’s envoy to go and jump and make sure no repayments are misses LOL.

Below is the only one medieval picture of the Battle of 1389 so I repeat my question where are the Turks? Which one is the Serbian Prince and where’s Sultan Murat ?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Facial_Chronicle_-_b.10%2C_p.299_-_Battle_of_Kosovo_%281389%29.png

Serbian president to travel to Moscow, meet with Putin again and beg for money or anything else Russia can spare for poor destitute Serbia. Putin will say to knucklehead. Listed you old Serbian babushka Russia is broke! You send yore icon Russia all that is left in Serbia. That we haven't cleaned you out of already we are getting mighty hungry. Rote that was interesting we always in ex Yugo thought that Serbs are Turks. Serbs were their best loyal allies for centuries.
(Lenard, 20 January 2016 17:54)

Lenny how much did Austria write off Croatia’s debt. I hear Vienna told you guys to take a flying leap LOL.

“ Nikolic is the recipient of this year's award given by the International Fund of Unity of Orthodox (Christian) Peoples. “

I would like the Orthodox peoples to rewrite their history some day. They must stop telling us fairy tales that we existed parallel to one another before 17 century. For instance the only medieval picture of the Kosovska bitka that I have found is in the Illustrated Chronicle (Лицевой летописный свод ) of Ivan the Mighty ( called the Terrible ) but it even has no Serbian article in Wikipedia or anywhere else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illustrated_Chronicle_of_Ivan_the_Terrible

Meanwhile Murad-1 aka Dmitry Donskoy belonged to the same ruling dynasty as Ivan IV. Yet nobody wishes to know the truth because all are zombied that Serbs fought the “turks” but who can define the turks from the Serbs on the picture below ?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Facial_Chronicle_-_b.10%2C_p.299_-_Battle_of_Kosovo_%281389%29.png

Also we are told that before the battle the Serbian army prayed at Samodresa Church. But most often churches were built at battle places for funeral services of the killed warriors. Most likely Samodresa Church is so respected because in this place the Great Kniaz Dmitry Donskoy’s ( aka Murad-I aka Constantine-1 ) funeral services were served by the Trebizond Archbishop.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/SamodrezaCrkvaKosovo.JPG

But who cares such truth ?

The short of it is that before 18 century THE TURKS AND THE RUSSIANS AND THE SERBS WERE SYNONIMS. Yet St. Dmitry Donskoy as one of the most beloved Russians in the history is also most hated by the Serbs who know him as Murad-1 …
(rote, 20 January 2016 21:11
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Gee, I wonder why. Janissaries ring any bells?
Serbs along with other Orthodox were rounded up as children by the Turks and forced to join Turkish military and turn on their families. Would Turks do that to their allies?

Gjon Marku : We always knew!!

What exactly you knew ? That the Slavs seized Constantinople in 1453 and gave the city a Slav name СТАНБУЛГАР ? Did you know that the Slavs run the Ottoman empire for centuries and that Serbs were part of the elite here? Did you know that the Nemanici were a branch of the Ruricovici dynasty that ruled the world since early 14 century? Did you know that the Balkans were the cradle of the Ottoman empire ? Did you know that in old Russian document words TURK, RUS, TATAR were synonyms? Did you know that Kosovo battle was a battle of the Slavs ? Did you know anything that wasn’t written for you by the Oldenburgs – the owners of Europe and America in 19 century? Did you know that it was in Vatican that the Jesuits and the Dominicans wrote names for many Slavs ? As a result SLAV sounds similar to SLAVE and BULGAR sounds as VULGAR, BERBER became BARBAR, SERBS got a close word of SERVS … What exactly you knew ?

Bible scenes in Spanish museums and churches where Russian Tavrs (Mavrs) are present everywhere ! Can anyone explain it all using Scaliger’s history ? To help you I can say that Tavria is the old Russian for Crimea where Jesus was born. Tavrs were one with their horses and became known as Mavrs in Europe.

http://iskatel.info/tavryi-v-ispanii.html

Peggy

Serbs and Russians were the “turks” ! They ruled the empire before 19 century and we have nothing to be ashamed of because it was the most democratic state in the world. We captured Anatolia and Constantinople from the Balkans. It was the Balkan peoples who colonized the Ottoman lands and it was the Balkans that one can call the metropolis of the empire! I can prove it quite easily. As well as the fact that the battle of 1389 had nothing to do with the Ottomans but was an internal issue of the Great Horde. It was a civil war over the Apostolic Christianity that lasted since 1370 till 1415. Serbs were the lords of the Balkans before in early 19 century they were provoked to side the Oldenburgs who already ruled Russia, Britain, Prussia ect.ect.

That we haven't cleaned you out of already we are getting mighty hungry. Rote that was interesting we always in ex Yugo thought that Serbs are Turks. Serbs were their best loyal allies for centuries.
(Lenard, 20 January 2016 17:54) # Com

Who is "we" Ustase? Most mainstream Croats identify themselves as Slavs and there is no question that Serbs identify themselves as Slavs.

The Ustase Croats are confused, some think they are Illyrians, other's Iranians and then "Iceland".

Serbs are well aware who Turks are and fought them throughout the centuries while Croats were hiding in the Sabor under Hungarian rule. Yes, King Louis of Hungary fought the Turks bravely, wonder how many Croatians cowards did the same. They were too busy losing the war against the Hungarians and hiding in Vienna under Ban Jelacic.

well rote, it would seem that if you had scrolled down just a smidgen on that wiki page you scraped some painters depictions of the battle of kosovo and want to use it as some sort of source material, you would have easily found the answer to your question. the red flag of murad1 would be the one on the left of the painting. that would imply that it is the left side that is the ottoman side.
you might also notice that there are two horsed soldiers who are wearing what is clearly a turban. that too might have tipped your "hat" to the answer you were seeking.

that being said, i do find it rather questionable that you'd consider one artists depiction, over that of any others (historians included) to cement your argument.

take this image for example:
http://francoprussianwar.com/prus-cav-charge.jpg

it might suggest that the franco-prussian war was all a smoke and mirrors show, an invention of the grandest collaboration, a figment if you will

i can't tell which one frank is and which one is ian.
proof that it's all fabrication, right?

PART-1

Todd : “ you scraped some painters depictions of the battle of kosovo and want to use it as some sort of source material, you would have easily found the answer to your question. the red flag of murad1 would be the one on the left of the painting. that would imply that it is the left side that is the ottoman side.”

Exactly ! But I have to explain to you something. In the current meaning of the word the Ottomans (Атаман) appeared only in 1453 so on Kosovo Field the red flag must mean something else. To understand it you have to look at the medieval pictures of the Kulikovo Pole Battle of 1380.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Battle_of_Kulikovo_17th_century_miniature.jpg
http://abinlib.ru/resursy/mediaresursy/
http://swordmaster.org/uploads/2009/tatar-vermaxt/mtn_kulikbattle.jpg
http://www.spb.kp.ru/f/12/image/47/02/9030247.jpg
http://www.pravoslavie.ru/sas/image/100907/90708.p.jpg
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B0#/media/File:Peresv_b.jpg

Please note that Dmitry Donskoy always have the RED FLAG where sometimes Jesus is painted. In Russia Image of Edessa is known as СПАС НЕРУКОТВОРНЫЙ and painted always on red flags like you can see in Donbass today.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Christos_Acheiropoietos.jpg

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“ Nikolic is the recipient of this year's award given by the International Fund of Unity of Orthodox (Christian) Peoples. “

I would like the Orthodox peoples to rewrite their history some day. They must stop telling us fairy tales that we existed parallel to one another before 17 century. For instance the only medieval picture of the Kosovska bitka that I have found is in the Illustrated Chronicle (Лицевой летописный свод ) of Ivan the Mighty ( called the Terrible ) but it even has no Serbian article in Wikipedia or anywhere else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illustrated_Chronicle_of_Ivan_the_Terrible

Meanwhile Murad-1 aka Dmitry Donskoy belonged to the same ruling dynasty as Ivan IV. Yet nobody wishes to know the truth because all are zombied that Serbs fought the “turks” but who can define the turks from the Serbs on the picture below ?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Facial_Chronicle_-_b.10%2C_p.299_-_Battle_of_Kosovo_%281389%29.png

Also we are told that before the battle the Serbian army prayed at Samodresa Church. But most often churches were built at battle places for funeral services of the killed warriors. Most likely Samodresa Church is so respected because in this place the Great Kniaz Dmitry Donskoy’s ( aka Murad-I aka Constantine-1 ) funeral services were served by the Trebizond Archbishop.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/SamodrezaCrkvaKosovo.JPG

But who cares such truth ?

Serbian president to travel to Moscow, meet with Putin again and beg for money or anything else Russia can spare for poor destitute Serbia. Putin will say to knucklehead. Listed you old Serbian babushka Russia is broke! You send yore icon Russia all that is left in Serbia. That we haven't cleaned you out of already we are getting mighty hungry. Rote that was interesting we always in ex Yugo thought that Serbs are Turks. Serbs were their best loyal allies for centuries.

Leopard : “Rote ... we always in ex Yugo thought that Serbs are Turks. Serbs were their best loyal allies for centuries.”


I am happy that at least a Croat tells the truth from time to time ! Thank you Leopard ! I know you didn’t mean it but it’s what I was hinting at to my Serbian brothers all the time. Thanks and see what we are told about 1389 when it all started:

Nobody can explain what half of the Serbs were doing during the battle and where some of the kniazes vanished afterwards. Strange but on Kosovo it was the only time when the Serbs fought the “turks” while they saved the empire several times. Serbs like Sokologlu Pasha ALWAYS made the top elite of the ”turks” and many Sultans like Mehmet II and Suleiman the Magn.(Солиман) had Serbian mothers and spoke old Serbian but still we are told of some 500 year yoke. Whilst the only church to survive in Istanbul (Cтанбулгар) was Aya Irine inside the Topkapi Tample where the Sultans prayed and died before 1702 … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topkap%C4%B1_Palace …

Most people still believe that the Osmans, the Ottomans and the Turks were one people! Same as the Shqiptars or the Hungarians to be associated with Yugoslavia.

The short of it is that before 18 century THE TURKS AND THE RUSSIANS AND THE SERBS WERE SYNONIMS. Yet St. Dmitry Donskoy as one of the most beloved Russians in the history is also most hated by the Serbs who know him as Murad-1 …

Rote Serbs don't believe me also the true plain facts like you say. They have their own twisted version of history to make them feel better. Me and you know better history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nicopolis#Composition_of_Ottoman_forces they are so delusional it is scary.

To Leonard,
Serb's where the only people from the Balkans to fight both Turks and Austrian's, and get Liberation 1814. Pity you Croatnut's and Shqiptars cowards only got that in 1941,thanks to the German's and Italians.
You Croatnut's and Shqiptars ,are more alike ,us Serb's and Russian's are alike.

@Lenard

I just read your psychotic comment. What is your problem? Why do you write such bulls**t? If you hate the Serbs so much, just go on a f***ing Croatian or an Albanian site and have a blast?

It is ok SJ we spend the money for good results now we have a modern country and transportation networks.
(Lenard, 21 January 2016 10:23)

If that why so many Kroats are leaving paradise LOL???? Yes the Austrians told your President’s envoy to go and jump and make sure no repayments are misses LOL.

Bible scenes in Spanish museums and churches where Russian Tavrs (Mavrs) are present everywhere ! Can anyone explain it all using Scaliger’s history ? To help you I can say that Tavria is the old Russian for Crimea where Jesus was born. Tavrs were one with their horses and became known as Mavrs in Europe.

http://iskatel.info/tavryi-v-ispanii.html

The short of it is that before 18 century THE TURKS AND THE RUSSIANS AND THE SERBS WERE SYNONIMS. Yet St. Dmitry Donskoy as one of the most beloved Russians in the history is also most hated by the Serbs who know him as Murad-1 …
(rote, 20 January 2016 21:11
==========================
Gee, I wonder why. Janissaries ring any bells?
Serbs along with other Orthodox were rounded up as children by the Turks and forced to join Turkish military and turn on their families. Would Turks do that to their allies?

Serbian president to travel to Moscow, meet with Putin again and beg for money or anything else Russia can spare for poor destitute Serbia. Putin will say to knucklehead. Listed you old Serbian babushka Russia is broke! You send yore icon Russia all that is left in Serbia. That we haven't cleaned you out of already we are getting mighty hungry. Rote that was interesting we always in ex Yugo thought that Serbs are Turks. Serbs were their best loyal allies for centuries.
(Lenard, 20 January 2016 17:54)

Lenny how much did Austria write off Croatia’s debt. I hear Vienna told you guys to take a flying leap LOL.

Gjon Marku : We always knew!!

What exactly you knew ? That the Slavs seized Constantinople in 1453 and gave the city a Slav name СТАНБУЛГАР ? Did you know that the Slavs run the Ottoman empire for centuries and that Serbs were part of the elite here? Did you know that the Nemanici were a branch of the Ruricovici dynasty that ruled the world since early 14 century? Did you know that the Balkans were the cradle of the Ottoman empire ? Did you know that in old Russian document words TURK, RUS, TATAR were synonyms? Did you know that Kosovo battle was a battle of the Slavs ? Did you know anything that wasn’t written for you by the Oldenburgs – the owners of Europe and America in 19 century? Did you know that it was in Vatican that the Jesuits and the Dominicans wrote names for many Slavs ? As a result SLAV sounds similar to SLAVE and BULGAR sounds as VULGAR, BERBER became BARBAR, SERBS got a close word of SERVS … What exactly you knew ?

Nicolic should keep away from Putin. Putin is now a formal suspect in nuclear terrorism in London.

If Putin approved use of nuclear material to kill Livinenko he is a terrorist. This is the most likely scenario.

If Putin didn't approve use of nuclear material to kill Livinenko he is weak and failing to control his country properly. This is not very likely.

A British court is not a political tool. It's conclusions are evidenced and well considered.

Putin gave a medal to the murderer on the day the evidence against him was stated. That is an effective admission of guilt by Putin. When Putin is out of power, it is likely that the two most involved in the terrorism will be extradited.

All countries should avoid Putin.

Peggy

Serbs and Russians were the “turks” ! They ruled the empire before 19 century and we have nothing to be ashamed of because it was the most democratic state in the world. We captured Anatolia and Constantinople from the Balkans. It was the Balkan peoples who colonized the Ottoman lands and it was the Balkans that one can call the metropolis of the empire! I can prove it quite easily. As well as the fact that the battle of 1389 had nothing to do with the Ottomans but was an internal issue of the Great Horde. It was a civil war over the Apostolic Christianity that lasted since 1370 till 1415. Serbs were the lords of the Balkans before in early 19 century they were provoked to side the Oldenburgs who already ruled Russia, Britain, Prussia ect.ect.

The short of it is that before 18 century THE TURKS AND THE RUSSIANS AND THE SERBS WERE SYNONIMS. Yet St. Dmitry Donskoy as one of the most beloved Russians in the history is also most hated by the Serbs who know him as Murad-1 …
(rote, 20 January 2016 21:11)

We always knew!! Serbs have been knowing this for a long time too but they twisted their own history. Someone DID come from turkey to settle in the balkans and what they found was the autochtonous people who today are known as croats, shqiptar, greeks etc.

First Sasa.p compares Serbia to the Vietcong, Taliban and the Islamic State, now you admit the link to Turkey. It feals like we are making progress by finding common ground. Is it possible that we found the lowest common denominator??

(sasa.p, 20 January 2016 19:42) Their you go talking your Serb nonsense as usual. It was Croatians forces https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8gnJHR12cQ slaughtering the Ottomans criminal despot army's by the 10's of thousands for 100's of years. Ya you Serbs were one of their their best lackeys for centuries after just one battle. It is ok SJ we spend the money for good results now we have a modern country and transportation networks.

Below is the only one medieval picture of the Battle of 1389 so I repeat my question where are the Turks? Which one is the Serbian Prince and where’s Sultan Murat ?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Facial_Chronicle_-_b.10%2C_p.299_-_Battle_of_Kosovo_%281389%29.png

That we haven't cleaned you out of already we are getting mighty hungry. Rote that was interesting we always in ex Yugo thought that Serbs are Turks. Serbs were their best loyal allies for centuries.
(Lenard, 20 January 2016 17:54) # Com

Who is "we" Ustase? Most mainstream Croats identify themselves as Slavs and there is no question that Serbs identify themselves as Slavs.

The Ustase Croats are confused, some think they are Illyrians, other's Iranians and then "Iceland".

Serbs are well aware who Turks are and fought them throughout the centuries while Croats were hiding in the Sabor under Hungarian rule. Yes, King Louis of Hungary fought the Turks bravely, wonder how many Croatians cowards did the same. They were too busy losing the war against the Hungarians and hiding in Vienna under Ban Jelacic.

well rote, it would seem that if you had scrolled down just a smidgen on that wiki page you scraped some painters depictions of the battle of kosovo and want to use it as some sort of source material, you would have easily found the answer to your question. the red flag of murad1 would be the one on the left of the painting. that would imply that it is the left side that is the ottoman side.
you might also notice that there are two horsed soldiers who are wearing what is clearly a turban. that too might have tipped your "hat" to the answer you were seeking.

that being said, i do find it rather questionable that you'd consider one artists depiction, over that of any others (historians included) to cement your argument.

take this image for example:
http://francoprussianwar.com/prus-cav-charge.jpg

it might suggest that the franco-prussian war was all a smoke and mirrors show, an invention of the grandest collaboration, a figment if you will

i can't tell which one frank is and which one is ian.
proof that it's all fabrication, right?

PART-1

Todd : “ you scraped some painters depictions of the battle of kosovo and want to use it as some sort of source material, you would have easily found the answer to your question. the red flag of murad1 would be the one on the left of the painting. that would imply that it is the left side that is the ottoman side.”

Exactly ! But I have to explain to you something. In the current meaning of the word the Ottomans (Атаман) appeared only in 1453 so on Kosovo Field the red flag must mean something else. To understand it you have to look at the medieval pictures of the Kulikovo Pole Battle of 1380.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Battle_of_Kulikovo_17th_century_miniature.jpg
http://abinlib.ru/resursy/mediaresursy/
http://swordmaster.org/uploads/2009/tatar-vermaxt/mtn_kulikbattle.jpg
http://www.spb.kp.ru/f/12/image/47/02/9030247.jpg
http://www.pravoslavie.ru/sas/image/100907/90708.p.jpg
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B0#/media/File:Peresv_b.jpg

Please note that Dmitry Donskoy always have the RED FLAG where sometimes Jesus is painted. In Russia Image of Edessa is known as СПАС НЕРУКОТВОРНЫЙ and painted always on red flags like you can see in Donbass today.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Christos_Acheiropoietos.jpg

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