Icj1, I dont think that you Albanians can laugh anyone since you are joke of everyone. Albanians descedents of Illyrians that is even more laughable than Albanian sea, Albanian Alps, white beras in Kosovo and Metohija.
This is a good case of diplomacy.
(IvanPN, 4 January 2016 07:15)
Yup, really good display of Serbia's diplomacy in action lol
29th December: Serbia's President
"Serbia's president "to assist" Turkey in dispute with Russia"
vs
26th December: Serbia's President
"Turkey would violate Greece's airspace 40 times in one day"
Or another example:
30th December: Serbia's Foreign Minister:
"Serbia won't back Montenegro's candidate for top UN job"
vs
30th December: Serbia's Prime Minister
"Serbia wants to buy Montenegro's Port of Bar"
laughable... not sure who is the most amateurish, Serbia's President, Serbia's Prime Minister or Serbia's Foreign Minister or any combination thereof :)
This is a good case of diplomacy. Nikolic is openly in support of pro Russian relations. In the article he comments about the pain of friends recognizing Kosovo with Turkey being one of them.
It seems he wants to keep his enemies closer for whatever the current reason is.
Economically Serbia requires investment from anyone willing, to update the out of date industries and infrastructure. The only visible problem is when a certain country imports its people along with its economic support, such as china.
Turkey turned to Nikolic to seek advice on how to escape the situation they have created, due to the feeling around the world of how similar Serbs and Russians are. With one MAJOR difference, the Russians hit ALOT harder and they don't need anyone to watch there backs. I think we'll see an end to the Syrian crisis by the end of the year, and by then NAT-Erica will need to find a new way to hit an old enemy.
Look at Obama’s wealth before he entered politics and then look at it after he retires and see the difference.
(sj, 31 December 2015 06:13)
Yes, please... The CE of B92 forums sj should absolutely reveal to the world the Obama's wealth before he entered politics and then after he retires so the world can see the difference. The B92 forums will make history once the CE of B92 forums sj makes those revelations
(Gjon Marku, 30 December 2015 14:52)
Turkey is a superpower and everyone in the balkans wants to do business with them.
A superpower, LOL, LOL Have you been to Turkey lately? I have been there on a couple of occasions this year and what I saw was not superpower stuff. If the EU opened its doors to Turkey there would be a few people left there. You only have to go 20 kilometres inland from the resorts to go back to the 5 century.
Was a bit enlightening, yes. Maybe he learned about the bank accounts from Putin who's said to have some 100 billions of $$ on his personal bank accounts and assets?
(Comm. Parrisson, 30 December 2015 15:08)
I hate to tell you that most politicians amass wealth and Putin is not alone. You only have to look at western politicians who walk into politics poor and walk out 20 years later very wealthy. In the US corporations pay politicians. Look at Obama’s wealth before he entered politics and then look at it after he retires and see the difference.
Look at the Clintons or Al Gore or the Bushes – you’re going to tell me they became obscenely rich by working lots of overtime. Why do you think they would climb over bodies to become President? For the honour? If you believe that you believe in fairy tales. It all about money.
The problem why we have this system is because people naively believe that one side wears the black hats while the goodies wear white hats.
Yes indeed, and the Russia's Slavic brothers in Ukraine had the great privilege of experiencing in practice this great teaching of the CE of B92 forums sj
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 30 December 2015 15:56)
The analyse of the AI has proven once again that being an idiot surpasses all.
@svabo No way. Serbs do NOT have 50% Turkish dna. They are mostly Balkan and North Europe mix. They are far from Turkish looking. If they had Turkish DNA then they would have a big amount of Middle East but they don't.
The Russians have this unpalatable habit of sticking to their friends through thick or thin
(sj, 30 December 2015 13:13)
Yes indeed, and the Russia's Slavic brothers in Ukraine had the great privilege of experiencing in practice this great teaching of the CE of B92 forums sj
"The Russians have this unpalatable habit of sticking to their friends through thick or thin, but Erdogen has seen the light of democracy and Swiss bank accounts. I hope you now understand."
(sj, 30 December 2015 13:13)
Was a bit enlightening, yes. Maybe he learned about the bank accounts from Putin who's said to have some 100 billions of $$ on his personal bank accounts and assets?
SVABO : 9000 words from your language and 50% of your DNA
In 1453 the Osmans came to ANATOL from the Balkans and they were Slavs. Yet the army was international. We all know that the Turkic people were a part of the empire but before 1826 (when some 30 000 of the elite Slav/Caucasian/Shqiptar Janissary were executed) they played almost zero role in the Ottoman Empire. Anyways today Slav/Caucasian component in the Y-DNA of the Turks exceeds 50%. I am not an expert in the Hellenic/Shqiptar blood but I suppose them to be present in the Turkish cocktail as well to say nothing of the Arabs, Kurds, Iranians ect. The Turkic language is an artificial one. Ataturk invited two Russian philologists in 1923 one of Tatar origin and one of Bashkir. These two men wrote the Turkish grammar and vocabulary by mixing Osmani language with the Tatar one. It was so far from what people were used to that no one understood it before WW2. Besides in every velayat they had a special censor commission which developed different Turkish language. Before 19 century in the court of Constantinople you could defend yourself only on the Slovenski language known in Russia as сербский извод церковно-славянского языка that is used in the Serbian churches today. In 19 century all Slav languages were “reformed” by the Oldenburgs the kings of Europe. Serbs tribute much more to the Turkish language and Y-DNA as were part of the elite of the Osmans/ Ottomans whom Ataturk hated most.
But Sava, this is turkey, you cannot upset me by insulting turkey. I dont think the begged but even if thei did, so be it. I dont care what turks do, just as I dont care that your Government calls turkey friends. Turkey is a superpower and everyone in the balkans wants to do business with them. Thats called to be economically responsible.
However, Turkey is going to get in the Balkans what Serbia will get in Kosovo.
On the issue of regaining “lost lands”, this is nothing more than political speak for local consumption.
(sj, 29 December 2015 23:22)
It's one of the few occasions that I disagree with you.Erdogan and Davutoglu are not just populists but true believers in their mission to restore the Ottoman empire.
The Count of ; Rote You're damm right you and all Russian will be suffering, all the while Putin's ego is out of control.
There’s an old Soviet song that explain our mentality best of all : ЖИЛА БЫ СТРАНА РОДНАЯ И НЕТУ ДРУГИХ ЗАБОТ … So it's not Putin's ego but the will of his people. That’s why his rating remains between 86-89 pct last 18 months.
There is another country talking about regaining "lost lands". And in this case too, its nothing more than political speak for local consumption. Simple slogans for small minded people. The stuff nationalists are made of.
(Gjon Marku, 30 December 2015 10:08)
You amuse me to no end. Turkey is full of s*** but Serbs are not. We do not claim other people’s lands like the Turks, but it’s so funny that your sponsor is now begging Serbia to help it with their problem with Russia LOL.
It's amazing, somehow: First, Erdogan and Assad were good friends whose families even spend holidays together, later Erdogan met with Putin and praised their glorious friendship, and now, Putin became Assads best friend, all within a few years. Can anyone explain me that? For me it's very confusing.
(Comm. Parrisson, 30 December 2015 12:04)
#
The Russians have this unpalatable habit of sticking to their friends through thick or thin, but Erdogen has seen the light of democracy and Swiss bank accounts.
I hope you now understand.
A statement said that the Turkish prime minister conveyed to Nikolic "the desire of the Turkish side to have a normal relationship with Moscow."
Maybe he should have conveyed his Turkish army bosses - who shut down the Russian plane which entered Turkish air space for 5 seconds - that this was not a good idea. Or he could have convinced his master Erdogan to at least apologize instead of putting more oil into the fire. I don't think Serbia can be any help in normalizing the Turkish-Russian relations.
It's amazing, somehow: First, Erdogan and Assad were good friends whose families even spend holidays together, later Erdogan met with Putin and praised their glorious friendship, and now, Putin became Assads best friend, all within a few years. Can anyone explain me that? For me it's very confusing.
On the issue of regaining “lost lands”, this is nothing more than political speak for local consumption.
(sj, 29 December 2015 23:22)
There is another country talking about regaining "lost lands". And in this case too, its nothing more than political speak for local consumption. Simple slogans for small minded people. The stuff nationalists are made of.
I would not read too much into this statement as this is only a diplomatic response to a request and nothing more.
Does anyone for one moment think Serbia will go out of their way for Turkey, which was one of several that bombed Serbia, or for that matter endanger Russian/Serbian relations? Remember that Turkey voted for Kosovo to join UNESCO, so the answer is a simple NO.
On the issue of regaining “lost lands”, this is nothing more than political speak for local consumption. The west has pandered to Turkey for so long Ankara thinks it’s a real power, but the downing of the Russian jet has shown it’s only a third world player. The Russians have a 10 kilometre no fly zone inside Turkey and there is nothing the Turks can do about it.
Headline:
"Serbian president "to assist" Turkey in dispute with Russia"
Ha, Ha, Ha! Illusions of Grandeur. Poor Nikolic, senility is setting in.
(The Count of Kosova, 29 December 2015 19:44)
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Try reading the article again.
Serbia was asked to assist so if anyone is deluded about Serbia's influence it's Turkey. They seem very desperate now.
Nikolic says that Turkey is Serbia's friend. Either he has lost his mind or this is just politics. I would say it's just politics just like what Turkey is doing.
The whole thing is laughable. They treat us like idiots thinking we are going to swallow any of this.
In return Turkey will help him in dispute with Montenegro. Lately a day doesn't go by without him attacking Montenegro. By the way I don't think he's the right person to help others.
This is very weird. Maybe it reflects more on Nikolic then it does on Serbia. Nikolic is the guy who keeps taking trips to the Vatican to talk with the Pope and Nikolic is not Catholic. He could be just the guy to cut a deal between the two. Lavrov is obliged to be infuriated over Turkey's conduct of late, Nikolic is not so obliged.
Turkey is in a lot of trouble that has nothing to do with the RF. If Turkey falls to the Wahabis, it threatens NATO. What is NATO without Turkey?
It is the worst time for such a warm hosting while Turkey is almost isolated and thy need support from any state – big or small.
Anyways thank you all three !
(rote, 29 December 2015 19:41)
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Yes, it seems like the worst time to host such an enemy but maybe there is method in the madness. Turkey is desperate. They know how much they stuffed up and they need to fix this. Maybe Serbia has full support of Russia in this becasue Russia can't be seen negotiating anything with Turkey but this is a perfect time to get whatever it is they want from Turkey.
Nikolic would have to be on crack to think that Turkey is Serbia's friend so it makes me think that he is going this far in order to let him people know that something else is going on without spilling the beans.
Politics is very messy business and one has to be prepared to soil their hands. I doubt Serbia would do anything without Russia's nod so this could all the happening for a reason. Time will tell.
Russia introduces sanctions despite the losses we shall be suffering. So what must we feel when whom we accept as our devoted brothers behave like this ? It is the worst time for such a warm hosting while Turkey is almost isolated and thy need support from any state – big or small.
Anyways thank you all three !
(rote, 29 December 2015 19:41)
rote,
You're damm right you and all Russian will be suffering, all the while Putin's ego is out of control. I hope this clears up any illusions you may have had over Serbia's loyalty to Russia. If Serbia is willing to screw Russia, imagine what your enemies have planned or you. It's time to put your daughter back to work "modeling" to help you survive, if possible, the wrath of the West, who unanimously support Turkey.
Headline:
"Serbian president "to assist" Turkey in dispute with Russia"
Ha, Ha, Ha! Illusions of Grandeur. Poor Nikolic, senility is setting in.
(The Count of Kosova, 29 December 2015 19:44)
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Nikolic didn't volunteer. Turkey asked him so there must be a reason for Turkey to think they have some influence.
Nicolic should bear in mind that it's the same Davutoglu who back in 2012 said :
"Whatever we lost between 1911 and 1923, whatever lands we withdrew from, from 2011 to 2023 we shall once again meet our brothers in those lands".
In a speech in Sarajevo in October 2009, he, being a Foreign Minister then, said:
"As in the 15th century, when the Ottoman Balkans were rising, we will once again make the Balkans, the Caucasus and the Middle East, together with Turkey, the center of world politics in the future. That is the goal of the Turkish foreign policy, and we will achieve it".
Davutoglu Mr Nicolic may have swapped the fez for the cylinder hat- so he can look modern-but it hasn't changed the head of Davutoglu in the least.He looks Western but thinks and is oriental.True,Western mimicry Davutoglu and Erdogan have adopted to promote their old jihadist and supremacist objectives which make them more dangerous than before.To sum up Turks are unable to face and are afraid of the unflattering truth.As their proverb says" Only a Turk can be a friend to a Turk".With such leaders there can never be peace in the long run.
Russia will avenge Herself on Turkey,
and Turkey will regret Her Foolishness,
when She loses the Whole of Eastern part of Turkey to its Rightfull Owners.
Thank you all as only with such an approach we can keep our relations. But yesterday some of the comments here shocked me even more than the Serbian elites whom I always suspected of being half pregnant. How would Serbs feel if Russia invites the Snake with Haradiai and arrange a warm accept for them on the top level ? There are red lines that none of us can cross while Turkey is the most sensitive issue for the Russians. Davidson arrived to Belgrade the same very day when Russia made valid the new portion of the sanctions against Turkey. Plus the day before Medvedev announced the third wave of the sanctions to come soon. Russia introduces them despite the losses we shall be suffering. So what must we feel when whom we accept as our devoted brothers behave like this ? It is the worst time for such a warm hosting while Turkey is almost isolated and thy need support from any state – big or small.
Like I earlier state,Turkey is here to smoke a peace pipe, soon Russia will seat there in the hut(Like in native Americans Indian did),and smoke together. Turk's didn't come to Belgrade just for sightseeing.
Serbia should have nothing to do with Turkey. Never forget what crap the Turks left in the Balkans- destruction, pain, hate, sorrow, sadness, dark ages, tears, loss of family, conversions, just total disaster. In fact, all of Balkans should have nothing to do with Turkey. I foresee a plan coming from them to become Ottomans again. Never forget the wars that Turks had against Poles, Russians, Ukrainians in the middle ages. Those Turks were the devil and looked like part lizard, part man.
The Turkish state is living on borrowed time soon the Kurds will have a state and the Greeks will regain their land (Thrace/Constantinople). NATO will be disbanded and reform around the core 12 countries while the artificial undemocratic E.U. will go to perdition. Serbia (& Montenegro) seem to be falling into the wrong crowd and making bad choices; Russia is Serbia’s true friend and ally, always was always will be even if you don’t realize it or choose to acknowledge this. The Russians are furious with the Turks right now and the only thing Serbia should be doing is assisting the Turks to the door and falling behind our greatest friend and brother, everlasting shame if you don’t, is this what my father’s fought & died for, selling out to the highest bidder? Enough sitting on the fence!
What is this? Toma is smoking crack for sure, why does he think he should help turkey? This guy is hungry and out of his fharkin mind!
Sometime I cannot believe the BS I hear coming out of these a**wipes, c'mon man! Stop playing diplomat when you are a dipsh*t, makes me wonder whose side your on.
Serbia should have nothing to do with Turkey. Never forget what crap the Turks left in the Balkans- destruction, pain, hate, sorrow, sadness, dark ages, tears, loss of family, conversions, just total disaster. In fact, all of Balkans should have nothing to do with Turkey. I foresee a plan coming from them to become Ottomans again. Never forget the wars that Turks had against Poles, Russians, Ukrainians in the middle ages. Those Turks were the devil and looked like part lizard, part man.
The Turkish state is living on borrowed time soon the Kurds will have a state and the Greeks will regain their land (Thrace/Constantinople). NATO will be disbanded and reform around the core 12 countries while the artificial undemocratic E.U. will go to perdition. Serbia (& Montenegro) seem to be falling into the wrong crowd and making bad choices; Russia is Serbia’s true friend and ally, always was always will be even if you don’t realize it or choose to acknowledge this. The Russians are furious with the Turks right now and the only thing Serbia should be doing is assisting the Turks to the door and falling behind our greatest friend and brother, everlasting shame if you don’t, is this what my father’s fought & died for, selling out to the highest bidder? Enough sitting on the fence!
Nicolic should bear in mind that it's the same Davutoglu who back in 2012 said :
"Whatever we lost between 1911 and 1923, whatever lands we withdrew from, from 2011 to 2023 we shall once again meet our brothers in those lands".
In a speech in Sarajevo in October 2009, he, being a Foreign Minister then, said:
"As in the 15th century, when the Ottoman Balkans were rising, we will once again make the Balkans, the Caucasus and the Middle East, together with Turkey, the center of world politics in the future. That is the goal of the Turkish foreign policy, and we will achieve it".
Davutoglu Mr Nicolic may have swapped the fez for the cylinder hat- so he can look modern-but it hasn't changed the head of Davutoglu in the least.He looks Western but thinks and is oriental.True,Western mimicry Davutoglu and Erdogan have adopted to promote their old jihadist and supremacist objectives which make them more dangerous than before.To sum up Turks are unable to face and are afraid of the unflattering truth.As their proverb says" Only a Turk can be a friend to a Turk".With such leaders there can never be peace in the long run.
Thank you all as only with such an approach we can keep our relations. But yesterday some of the comments here shocked me even more than the Serbian elites whom I always suspected of being half pregnant. How would Serbs feel if Russia invites the Snake with Haradiai and arrange a warm accept for them on the top level ? There are red lines that none of us can cross while Turkey is the most sensitive issue for the Russians. Davidson arrived to Belgrade the same very day when Russia made valid the new portion of the sanctions against Turkey. Plus the day before Medvedev announced the third wave of the sanctions to come soon. Russia introduces them despite the losses we shall be suffering. So what must we feel when whom we accept as our devoted brothers behave like this ? It is the worst time for such a warm hosting while Turkey is almost isolated and thy need support from any state – big or small.
What is this? Toma is smoking crack for sure, why does he think he should help turkey? This guy is hungry and out of his fharkin mind!
Sometime I cannot believe the BS I hear coming out of these a**wipes, c'mon man! Stop playing diplomat when you are a dipsh*t, makes me wonder whose side your on.
Russia will avenge Herself on Turkey,
and Turkey will regret Her Foolishness,
when She loses the Whole of Eastern part of Turkey to its Rightfull Owners.
On the issue of regaining “lost lands”, this is nothing more than political speak for local consumption.
(sj, 29 December 2015 23:22)
It's one of the few occasions that I disagree with you.Erdogan and Davutoglu are not just populists but true believers in their mission to restore the Ottoman empire.
It is the worst time for such a warm hosting while Turkey is almost isolated and thy need support from any state – big or small.
Anyways thank you all three !
(rote, 29 December 2015 19:41)
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Yes, it seems like the worst time to host such an enemy but maybe there is method in the madness. Turkey is desperate. They know how much they stuffed up and they need to fix this. Maybe Serbia has full support of Russia in this becasue Russia can't be seen negotiating anything with Turkey but this is a perfect time to get whatever it is they want from Turkey.
Nikolic would have to be on crack to think that Turkey is Serbia's friend so it makes me think that he is going this far in order to let him people know that something else is going on without spilling the beans.
Politics is very messy business and one has to be prepared to soil their hands. I doubt Serbia would do anything without Russia's nod so this could all the happening for a reason. Time will tell.
Headline:
"Serbian president "to assist" Turkey in dispute with Russia"
Ha, Ha, Ha! Illusions of Grandeur. Poor Nikolic, senility is setting in.
(The Count of Kosova, 29 December 2015 19:44)
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Nikolic didn't volunteer. Turkey asked him so there must be a reason for Turkey to think they have some influence.
I would not read too much into this statement as this is only a diplomatic response to a request and nothing more.
Does anyone for one moment think Serbia will go out of their way for Turkey, which was one of several that bombed Serbia, or for that matter endanger Russian/Serbian relations? Remember that Turkey voted for Kosovo to join UNESCO, so the answer is a simple NO.
On the issue of regaining “lost lands”, this is nothing more than political speak for local consumption. The west has pandered to Turkey for so long Ankara thinks it’s a real power, but the downing of the Russian jet has shown it’s only a third world player. The Russians have a 10 kilometre no fly zone inside Turkey and there is nothing the Turks can do about it.
There is another country talking about regaining "lost lands". And in this case too, its nothing more than political speak for local consumption. Simple slogans for small minded people. The stuff nationalists are made of.
(Gjon Marku, 30 December 2015 10:08)
You amuse me to no end. Turkey is full of s*** but Serbs are not. We do not claim other people’s lands like the Turks, but it’s so funny that your sponsor is now begging Serbia to help it with their problem with Russia LOL.
Like I earlier state,Turkey is here to smoke a peace pipe, soon Russia will seat there in the hut(Like in native Americans Indian did),and smoke together. Turk's didn't come to Belgrade just for sightseeing.
@svabo No way. Serbs do NOT have 50% Turkish dna. They are mostly Balkan and North Europe mix. They are far from Turkish looking. If they had Turkish DNA then they would have a big amount of Middle East but they don't.
Was a bit enlightening, yes. Maybe he learned about the bank accounts from Putin who's said to have some 100 billions of $$ on his personal bank accounts and assets?
(Comm. Parrisson, 30 December 2015 15:08)
I hate to tell you that most politicians amass wealth and Putin is not alone. You only have to look at western politicians who walk into politics poor and walk out 20 years later very wealthy. In the US corporations pay politicians. Look at Obama’s wealth before he entered politics and then look at it after he retires and see the difference.
Look at the Clintons or Al Gore or the Bushes – you’re going to tell me they became obscenely rich by working lots of overtime. Why do you think they would climb over bodies to become President? For the honour? If you believe that you believe in fairy tales. It all about money.
The problem why we have this system is because people naively believe that one side wears the black hats while the goodies wear white hats.
(Gjon Marku, 30 December 2015 14:52)
Turkey is a superpower and everyone in the balkans wants to do business with them.
A superpower, LOL, LOL Have you been to Turkey lately? I have been there on a couple of occasions this year and what I saw was not superpower stuff. If the EU opened its doors to Turkey there would be a few people left there. You only have to go 20 kilometres inland from the resorts to go back to the 5 century.
Headline:
"Serbian president "to assist" Turkey in dispute with Russia"
Ha, Ha, Ha! Illusions of Grandeur. Poor Nikolic, senility is setting in.
(The Count of Kosova, 29 December 2015 19:44)
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Try reading the article again.
Serbia was asked to assist so if anyone is deluded about Serbia's influence it's Turkey. They seem very desperate now.
Nikolic says that Turkey is Serbia's friend. Either he has lost his mind or this is just politics. I would say it's just politics just like what Turkey is doing.
The whole thing is laughable. They treat us like idiots thinking we are going to swallow any of this.
This is very weird. Maybe it reflects more on Nikolic then it does on Serbia. Nikolic is the guy who keeps taking trips to the Vatican to talk with the Pope and Nikolic is not Catholic. He could be just the guy to cut a deal between the two. Lavrov is obliged to be infuriated over Turkey's conduct of late, Nikolic is not so obliged.
Turkey is in a lot of trouble that has nothing to do with the RF. If Turkey falls to the Wahabis, it threatens NATO. What is NATO without Turkey?
On the issue of regaining “lost lands”, this is nothing more than political speak for local consumption.
(sj, 29 December 2015 23:22)
There is another country talking about regaining "lost lands". And in this case too, its nothing more than political speak for local consumption. Simple slogans for small minded people. The stuff nationalists are made of.
A statement said that the Turkish prime minister conveyed to Nikolic "the desire of the Turkish side to have a normal relationship with Moscow."
Maybe he should have conveyed his Turkish army bosses - who shut down the Russian plane which entered Turkish air space for 5 seconds - that this was not a good idea. Or he could have convinced his master Erdogan to at least apologize instead of putting more oil into the fire. I don't think Serbia can be any help in normalizing the Turkish-Russian relations.
It's amazing, somehow: First, Erdogan and Assad were good friends whose families even spend holidays together, later Erdogan met with Putin and praised their glorious friendship, and now, Putin became Assads best friend, all within a few years. Can anyone explain me that? For me it's very confusing.
It's amazing, somehow: First, Erdogan and Assad were good friends whose families even spend holidays together, later Erdogan met with Putin and praised their glorious friendship, and now, Putin became Assads best friend, all within a few years. Can anyone explain me that? For me it's very confusing.
(Comm. Parrisson, 30 December 2015 12:04)
#
The Russians have this unpalatable habit of sticking to their friends through thick or thin, but Erdogen has seen the light of democracy and Swiss bank accounts.
I hope you now understand.
SVABO : 9000 words from your language and 50% of your DNA
In 1453 the Osmans came to ANATOL from the Balkans and they were Slavs. Yet the army was international. We all know that the Turkic people were a part of the empire but before 1826 (when some 30 000 of the elite Slav/Caucasian/Shqiptar Janissary were executed) they played almost zero role in the Ottoman Empire. Anyways today Slav/Caucasian component in the Y-DNA of the Turks exceeds 50%. I am not an expert in the Hellenic/Shqiptar blood but I suppose them to be present in the Turkish cocktail as well to say nothing of the Arabs, Kurds, Iranians ect. The Turkic language is an artificial one. Ataturk invited two Russian philologists in 1923 one of Tatar origin and one of Bashkir. These two men wrote the Turkish grammar and vocabulary by mixing Osmani language with the Tatar one. It was so far from what people were used to that no one understood it before WW2. Besides in every velayat they had a special censor commission which developed different Turkish language. Before 19 century in the court of Constantinople you could defend yourself only on the Slovenski language known in Russia as сербский извод церковно-славянского языка that is used in the Serbian churches today. In 19 century all Slav languages were “reformed” by the Oldenburgs the kings of Europe. Serbs tribute much more to the Turkish language and Y-DNA as were part of the elite of the Osmans/ Ottomans whom Ataturk hated most.
But Sava, this is turkey, you cannot upset me by insulting turkey. I dont think the begged but even if thei did, so be it. I dont care what turks do, just as I dont care that your Government calls turkey friends. Turkey is a superpower and everyone in the balkans wants to do business with them. Thats called to be economically responsible.
However, Turkey is going to get in the Balkans what Serbia will get in Kosovo.
The Russians have this unpalatable habit of sticking to their friends through thick or thin
(sj, 30 December 2015 13:13)
Yes indeed, and the Russia's Slavic brothers in Ukraine had the great privilege of experiencing in practice this great teaching of the CE of B92 forums sj
The Count of ; Rote You're damm right you and all Russian will be suffering, all the while Putin's ego is out of control.
There’s an old Soviet song that explain our mentality best of all : ЖИЛА БЫ СТРАНА РОДНАЯ И НЕТУ ДРУГИХ ЗАБОТ … So it's not Putin's ego but the will of his people. That’s why his rating remains between 86-89 pct last 18 months.
Yes indeed, and the Russia's Slavic brothers in Ukraine had the great privilege of experiencing in practice this great teaching of the CE of B92 forums sj
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 30 December 2015 15:56)
The analyse of the AI has proven once again that being an idiot surpasses all.
In return Turkey will help him in dispute with Montenegro. Lately a day doesn't go by without him attacking Montenegro. By the way I don't think he's the right person to help others.
"The Russians have this unpalatable habit of sticking to their friends through thick or thin, but Erdogen has seen the light of democracy and Swiss bank accounts. I hope you now understand."
(sj, 30 December 2015 13:13)
Was a bit enlightening, yes. Maybe he learned about the bank accounts from Putin who's said to have some 100 billions of $$ on his personal bank accounts and assets?
Russia introduces sanctions despite the losses we shall be suffering. So what must we feel when whom we accept as our devoted brothers behave like this ? It is the worst time for such a warm hosting while Turkey is almost isolated and thy need support from any state – big or small.
Anyways thank you all three !
(rote, 29 December 2015 19:41)
rote,
You're damm right you and all Russian will be suffering, all the while Putin's ego is out of control. I hope this clears up any illusions you may have had over Serbia's loyalty to Russia. If Serbia is willing to screw Russia, imagine what your enemies have planned or you. It's time to put your daughter back to work "modeling" to help you survive, if possible, the wrath of the West, who unanimously support Turkey.
Look at Obama’s wealth before he entered politics and then look at it after he retires and see the difference.
(sj, 31 December 2015 06:13)
Yes, please... The CE of B92 forums sj should absolutely reveal to the world the Obama's wealth before he entered politics and then after he retires so the world can see the difference. The B92 forums will make history once the CE of B92 forums sj makes those revelations
This is a good case of diplomacy. Nikolic is openly in support of pro Russian relations. In the article he comments about the pain of friends recognizing Kosovo with Turkey being one of them.
It seems he wants to keep his enemies closer for whatever the current reason is.
Economically Serbia requires investment from anyone willing, to update the out of date industries and infrastructure. The only visible problem is when a certain country imports its people along with its economic support, such as china.
Turkey turned to Nikolic to seek advice on how to escape the situation they have created, due to the feeling around the world of how similar Serbs and Russians are. With one MAJOR difference, the Russians hit ALOT harder and they don't need anyone to watch there backs. I think we'll see an end to the Syrian crisis by the end of the year, and by then NAT-Erica will need to find a new way to hit an old enemy.
This is a good case of diplomacy.
(IvanPN, 4 January 2016 07:15)
Yup, really good display of Serbia's diplomacy in action lol
29th December: Serbia's President
"Serbia's president "to assist" Turkey in dispute with Russia"
vs
26th December: Serbia's President
"Turkey would violate Greece's airspace 40 times in one day"
Or another example:
30th December: Serbia's Foreign Minister:
"Serbia won't back Montenegro's candidate for top UN job"
vs
30th December: Serbia's Prime Minister
"Serbia wants to buy Montenegro's Port of Bar"
laughable... not sure who is the most amateurish, Serbia's President, Serbia's Prime Minister or Serbia's Foreign Minister or any combination thereof :)
Icj1, I dont think that you Albanians can laugh anyone since you are joke of everyone. Albanians descedents of Illyrians that is even more laughable than Albanian sea, Albanian Alps, white beras in Kosovo and Metohija.
The Turkish state is living on borrowed time soon the Kurds will have a state and the Greeks will regain their land (Thrace/Constantinople). NATO will be disbanded and reform around the core 12 countries while the artificial undemocratic E.U. will go to perdition. Serbia (& Montenegro) seem to be falling into the wrong crowd and making bad choices; Russia is Serbia’s true friend and ally, always was always will be even if you don’t realize it or choose to acknowledge this. The Russians are furious with the Turks right now and the only thing Serbia should be doing is assisting the Turks to the door and falling behind our greatest friend and brother, everlasting shame if you don’t, is this what my father’s fought & died for, selling out to the highest bidder? Enough sitting on the fence!
Thank you all as only with such an approach we can keep our relations. But yesterday some of the comments here shocked me even more than the Serbian elites whom I always suspected of being half pregnant. How would Serbs feel if Russia invites the Snake with Haradiai and arrange a warm accept for them on the top level ? There are red lines that none of us can cross while Turkey is the most sensitive issue for the Russians. Davidson arrived to Belgrade the same very day when Russia made valid the new portion of the sanctions against Turkey. Plus the day before Medvedev announced the third wave of the sanctions to come soon. Russia introduces them despite the losses we shall be suffering. So what must we feel when whom we accept as our devoted brothers behave like this ? It is the worst time for such a warm hosting while Turkey is almost isolated and thy need support from any state – big or small.
Russia introduces sanctions despite the losses we shall be suffering. So what must we feel when whom we accept as our devoted brothers behave like this ? It is the worst time for such a warm hosting while Turkey is almost isolated and thy need support from any state – big or small.
Anyways thank you all three !
(rote, 29 December 2015 19:41)
rote,
You're damm right you and all Russian will be suffering, all the while Putin's ego is out of control. I hope this clears up any illusions you may have had over Serbia's loyalty to Russia. If Serbia is willing to screw Russia, imagine what your enemies have planned or you. It's time to put your daughter back to work "modeling" to help you survive, if possible, the wrath of the West, who unanimously support Turkey.
SVABO : 9000 words from your language and 50% of your DNA
In 1453 the Osmans came to ANATOL from the Balkans and they were Slavs. Yet the army was international. We all know that the Turkic people were a part of the empire but before 1826 (when some 30 000 of the elite Slav/Caucasian/Shqiptar Janissary were executed) they played almost zero role in the Ottoman Empire. Anyways today Slav/Caucasian component in the Y-DNA of the Turks exceeds 50%. I am not an expert in the Hellenic/Shqiptar blood but I suppose them to be present in the Turkish cocktail as well to say nothing of the Arabs, Kurds, Iranians ect. The Turkic language is an artificial one. Ataturk invited two Russian philologists in 1923 one of Tatar origin and one of Bashkir. These two men wrote the Turkish grammar and vocabulary by mixing Osmani language with the Tatar one. It was so far from what people were used to that no one understood it before WW2. Besides in every velayat they had a special censor commission which developed different Turkish language. Before 19 century in the court of Constantinople you could defend yourself only on the Slovenski language known in Russia as сербский извод церковно-славянского языка that is used in the Serbian churches today. In 19 century all Slav languages were “reformed” by the Oldenburgs the kings of Europe. Serbs tribute much more to the Turkish language and Y-DNA as were part of the elite of the Osmans/ Ottomans whom Ataturk hated most.
But Sava, this is turkey, you cannot upset me by insulting turkey. I dont think the begged but even if thei did, so be it. I dont care what turks do, just as I dont care that your Government calls turkey friends. Turkey is a superpower and everyone in the balkans wants to do business with them. Thats called to be economically responsible.
However, Turkey is going to get in the Balkans what Serbia will get in Kosovo.
"The Russians have this unpalatable habit of sticking to their friends through thick or thin, but Erdogen has seen the light of democracy and Swiss bank accounts. I hope you now understand."
(sj, 30 December 2015 13:13)
Was a bit enlightening, yes. Maybe he learned about the bank accounts from Putin who's said to have some 100 billions of $$ on his personal bank accounts and assets?
What is this? Toma is smoking crack for sure, why does he think he should help turkey? This guy is hungry and out of his fharkin mind!
Sometime I cannot believe the BS I hear coming out of these a**wipes, c'mon man! Stop playing diplomat when you are a dipsh*t, makes me wonder whose side your on.
Serbia should have nothing to do with Turkey. Never forget what crap the Turks left in the Balkans- destruction, pain, hate, sorrow, sadness, dark ages, tears, loss of family, conversions, just total disaster. In fact, all of Balkans should have nothing to do with Turkey. I foresee a plan coming from them to become Ottomans again. Never forget the wars that Turks had against Poles, Russians, Ukrainians in the middle ages. Those Turks were the devil and looked like part lizard, part man.
Like I earlier state,Turkey is here to smoke a peace pipe, soon Russia will seat there in the hut(Like in native Americans Indian did),and smoke together. Turk's didn't come to Belgrade just for sightseeing.
The Russians have this unpalatable habit of sticking to their friends through thick or thin
(sj, 30 December 2015 13:13)
Yes indeed, and the Russia's Slavic brothers in Ukraine had the great privilege of experiencing in practice this great teaching of the CE of B92 forums sj
On the issue of regaining “lost lands”, this is nothing more than political speak for local consumption.
(sj, 29 December 2015 23:22)
There is another country talking about regaining "lost lands". And in this case too, its nothing more than political speak for local consumption. Simple slogans for small minded people. The stuff nationalists are made of.
The Count of ; Rote You're damm right you and all Russian will be suffering, all the while Putin's ego is out of control.
There’s an old Soviet song that explain our mentality best of all : ЖИЛА БЫ СТРАНА РОДНАЯ И НЕТУ ДРУГИХ ЗАБОТ … So it's not Putin's ego but the will of his people. That’s why his rating remains between 86-89 pct last 18 months.
Russia will avenge Herself on Turkey,
and Turkey will regret Her Foolishness,
when She loses the Whole of Eastern part of Turkey to its Rightfull Owners.
Nicolic should bear in mind that it's the same Davutoglu who back in 2012 said :
"Whatever we lost between 1911 and 1923, whatever lands we withdrew from, from 2011 to 2023 we shall once again meet our brothers in those lands".
In a speech in Sarajevo in October 2009, he, being a Foreign Minister then, said:
"As in the 15th century, when the Ottoman Balkans were rising, we will once again make the Balkans, the Caucasus and the Middle East, together with Turkey, the center of world politics in the future. That is the goal of the Turkish foreign policy, and we will achieve it".
Davutoglu Mr Nicolic may have swapped the fez for the cylinder hat- so he can look modern-but it hasn't changed the head of Davutoglu in the least.He looks Western but thinks and is oriental.True,Western mimicry Davutoglu and Erdogan have adopted to promote their old jihadist and supremacist objectives which make them more dangerous than before.To sum up Turks are unable to face and are afraid of the unflattering truth.As their proverb says" Only a Turk can be a friend to a Turk".With such leaders there can never be peace in the long run.
Headline:
"Serbian president "to assist" Turkey in dispute with Russia"
Ha, Ha, Ha! Illusions of Grandeur. Poor Nikolic, senility is setting in.
(The Count of Kosova, 29 December 2015 19:44)
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Try reading the article again.
Serbia was asked to assist so if anyone is deluded about Serbia's influence it's Turkey. They seem very desperate now.
Nikolic says that Turkey is Serbia's friend. Either he has lost his mind or this is just politics. I would say it's just politics just like what Turkey is doing.
The whole thing is laughable. They treat us like idiots thinking we are going to swallow any of this.
In return Turkey will help him in dispute with Montenegro. Lately a day doesn't go by without him attacking Montenegro. By the way I don't think he's the right person to help others.
On the issue of regaining “lost lands”, this is nothing more than political speak for local consumption.
(sj, 29 December 2015 23:22)
It's one of the few occasions that I disagree with you.Erdogan and Davutoglu are not just populists but true believers in their mission to restore the Ottoman empire.
@svabo No way. Serbs do NOT have 50% Turkish dna. They are mostly Balkan and North Europe mix. They are far from Turkish looking. If they had Turkish DNA then they would have a big amount of Middle East but they don't.
This is very weird. Maybe it reflects more on Nikolic then it does on Serbia. Nikolic is the guy who keeps taking trips to the Vatican to talk with the Pope and Nikolic is not Catholic. He could be just the guy to cut a deal between the two. Lavrov is obliged to be infuriated over Turkey's conduct of late, Nikolic is not so obliged.
Turkey is in a lot of trouble that has nothing to do with the RF. If Turkey falls to the Wahabis, it threatens NATO. What is NATO without Turkey?
It is the worst time for such a warm hosting while Turkey is almost isolated and thy need support from any state – big or small.
Anyways thank you all three !
(rote, 29 December 2015 19:41)
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Yes, it seems like the worst time to host such an enemy but maybe there is method in the madness. Turkey is desperate. They know how much they stuffed up and they need to fix this. Maybe Serbia has full support of Russia in this becasue Russia can't be seen negotiating anything with Turkey but this is a perfect time to get whatever it is they want from Turkey.
Nikolic would have to be on crack to think that Turkey is Serbia's friend so it makes me think that he is going this far in order to let him people know that something else is going on without spilling the beans.
Politics is very messy business and one has to be prepared to soil their hands. I doubt Serbia would do anything without Russia's nod so this could all the happening for a reason. Time will tell.
A statement said that the Turkish prime minister conveyed to Nikolic "the desire of the Turkish side to have a normal relationship with Moscow."
Maybe he should have conveyed his Turkish army bosses - who shut down the Russian plane which entered Turkish air space for 5 seconds - that this was not a good idea. Or he could have convinced his master Erdogan to at least apologize instead of putting more oil into the fire. I don't think Serbia can be any help in normalizing the Turkish-Russian relations.
It's amazing, somehow: First, Erdogan and Assad were good friends whose families even spend holidays together, later Erdogan met with Putin and praised their glorious friendship, and now, Putin became Assads best friend, all within a few years. Can anyone explain me that? For me it's very confusing.
There is another country talking about regaining "lost lands". And in this case too, its nothing more than political speak for local consumption. Simple slogans for small minded people. The stuff nationalists are made of.
(Gjon Marku, 30 December 2015 10:08)
You amuse me to no end. Turkey is full of s*** but Serbs are not. We do not claim other people’s lands like the Turks, but it’s so funny that your sponsor is now begging Serbia to help it with their problem with Russia LOL.
It's amazing, somehow: First, Erdogan and Assad were good friends whose families even spend holidays together, later Erdogan met with Putin and praised their glorious friendship, and now, Putin became Assads best friend, all within a few years. Can anyone explain me that? For me it's very confusing.
(Comm. Parrisson, 30 December 2015 12:04)
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The Russians have this unpalatable habit of sticking to their friends through thick or thin, but Erdogen has seen the light of democracy and Swiss bank accounts.
I hope you now understand.
Yes indeed, and the Russia's Slavic brothers in Ukraine had the great privilege of experiencing in practice this great teaching of the CE of B92 forums sj
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 30 December 2015 15:56)
The analyse of the AI has proven once again that being an idiot surpasses all.
Look at Obama’s wealth before he entered politics and then look at it after he retires and see the difference.
(sj, 31 December 2015 06:13)
Yes, please... The CE of B92 forums sj should absolutely reveal to the world the Obama's wealth before he entered politics and then after he retires so the world can see the difference. The B92 forums will make history once the CE of B92 forums sj makes those revelations
This is a good case of diplomacy.
(IvanPN, 4 January 2016 07:15)
Yup, really good display of Serbia's diplomacy in action lol
29th December: Serbia's President
"Serbia's president "to assist" Turkey in dispute with Russia"
vs
26th December: Serbia's President
"Turkey would violate Greece's airspace 40 times in one day"
Or another example:
30th December: Serbia's Foreign Minister:
"Serbia won't back Montenegro's candidate for top UN job"
vs
30th December: Serbia's Prime Minister
"Serbia wants to buy Montenegro's Port of Bar"
laughable... not sure who is the most amateurish, Serbia's President, Serbia's Prime Minister or Serbia's Foreign Minister or any combination thereof :)
Headline:
"Serbian president "to assist" Turkey in dispute with Russia"
Ha, Ha, Ha! Illusions of Grandeur. Poor Nikolic, senility is setting in.
(The Count of Kosova, 29 December 2015 19:44)
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Nikolic didn't volunteer. Turkey asked him so there must be a reason for Turkey to think they have some influence.
I would not read too much into this statement as this is only a diplomatic response to a request and nothing more.
Does anyone for one moment think Serbia will go out of their way for Turkey, which was one of several that bombed Serbia, or for that matter endanger Russian/Serbian relations? Remember that Turkey voted for Kosovo to join UNESCO, so the answer is a simple NO.
On the issue of regaining “lost lands”, this is nothing more than political speak for local consumption. The west has pandered to Turkey for so long Ankara thinks it’s a real power, but the downing of the Russian jet has shown it’s only a third world player. The Russians have a 10 kilometre no fly zone inside Turkey and there is nothing the Turks can do about it.
Was a bit enlightening, yes. Maybe he learned about the bank accounts from Putin who's said to have some 100 billions of $$ on his personal bank accounts and assets?
(Comm. Parrisson, 30 December 2015 15:08)
I hate to tell you that most politicians amass wealth and Putin is not alone. You only have to look at western politicians who walk into politics poor and walk out 20 years later very wealthy. In the US corporations pay politicians. Look at Obama’s wealth before he entered politics and then look at it after he retires and see the difference.
Look at the Clintons or Al Gore or the Bushes – you’re going to tell me they became obscenely rich by working lots of overtime. Why do you think they would climb over bodies to become President? For the honour? If you believe that you believe in fairy tales. It all about money.
The problem why we have this system is because people naively believe that one side wears the black hats while the goodies wear white hats.
(Gjon Marku, 30 December 2015 14:52)
Turkey is a superpower and everyone in the balkans wants to do business with them.
A superpower, LOL, LOL Have you been to Turkey lately? I have been there on a couple of occasions this year and what I saw was not superpower stuff. If the EU opened its doors to Turkey there would be a few people left there. You only have to go 20 kilometres inland from the resorts to go back to the 5 century.
This is a good case of diplomacy. Nikolic is openly in support of pro Russian relations. In the article he comments about the pain of friends recognizing Kosovo with Turkey being one of them.
It seems he wants to keep his enemies closer for whatever the current reason is.
Economically Serbia requires investment from anyone willing, to update the out of date industries and infrastructure. The only visible problem is when a certain country imports its people along with its economic support, such as china.
Turkey turned to Nikolic to seek advice on how to escape the situation they have created, due to the feeling around the world of how similar Serbs and Russians are. With one MAJOR difference, the Russians hit ALOT harder and they don't need anyone to watch there backs. I think we'll see an end to the Syrian crisis by the end of the year, and by then NAT-Erica will need to find a new way to hit an old enemy.
Icj1, I dont think that you Albanians can laugh anyone since you are joke of everyone. Albanians descedents of Illyrians that is even more laughable than Albanian sea, Albanian Alps, white beras in Kosovo and Metohija.
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