"Kosovo should join UN as part of normalization process"

Kirby has been watching too much situation drama on TV. He imagines that the currency of politics is a convincing performance. The currency of political power is experience and history. The Albanian claims on Kosovo as Albanian land is a fraud and it doesn't matter how many people in the world believe it or how many governments of the world pronounce its legitimacy. Not only are Albanian claims to a country in Kosovo a performance, but it is an extremely poor performance. Even the disinterested fans are beginning to look a little silly.

Why are you telling Serbia this? Serbia does not have the power to make fake countries join the UN. Unless of course the fake country is on Serbia's territory. Then yes, Serbia does have a say. But doesn't that really prove who Kosovo-Metohija truthfully belongs to if only Serbia can ensure that it becomes a real country, not a fake one?!

Anyway, with the latest failure at UNESCO, I would forget about UN membership for a while. UN needs 2/3 votes and those who abstain count against the bid, unlike UNESCO. So if you couldn't get in there, full membership at the UN seems impossible. It can't be 99 forever Kirby.

Kosovo is Serbia. There is no such thing as a separate country called Kosovo- on Serbia's territory? That is silly really.There is only one country and it is called Serbia. Albanians live on Serbia's territory, on stolen land. When the disgusting USA and Germans leave this illegal Camp Bondsteel, that is when there will be real peace- nobody will dare to make any criminal activities in that area. But Germans and USA government are terrorists themselves and land grabbing thieves all about money and against Slavic people, they allowed terror to happen in Kosovo. They killed so many people and lie to the world on their controlled media.

Mr Kirby is playing games.
In relation to East and West Germany, the concensus among world powers was for East and West Germany in the far future to reunify. Kosovo government and the prevailing countries do not share the view of Kosovo reunification with Serbia.

Furthermore, it was decided at the end of wwII that East and West Germany be two seperate and sovereign countries.

At the end of the yugoslav war resolution 1244 ensured kosovo remained Serbia's southern province.

A lion doesn't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep. The opinion from Serbia is not relevant when it comes to Kosovo.
(Gjon Marku, 25 December 2015 13:50)

You're right. But since it's not Serbia's opinion that ultimately matters, you Albanian sheep are going to have to worry more about what us lions do at the Security Council.

To Gjoni Marku,
Don't forget the sheep has Two big Elephants (RUSSIA, China) to watch over (In UN), particularly 1 huge Elephant (RUSSIA).
Then the lion shakes , brambles and poo poo it's pants.!

Adrian: How many cuckoos live in your land? Mr Kirby probably lives next door to Adrian if he thinks that UN membership of Kosovo would not constitute recognition not just by Serbia, but by all those yet to recognise it. 'Normalisation' is a flexible word used by everyone to mean something different. Serbs take it to mean that they will tolerate Kosovo through gritted teeth in order to join the EU, most others take it to mean back door recognition.

Thank to USA,but we Serb's don't need your opion,and we don't take order's from USA.
Throwing a fist full of dollars, doesn't buy us ,the other regions in the Balkans it maybe does.
You will find that we got alot of money from UAE,China,Russia,and not the high 8% interest that USA wanted to rip and screw Serbia for,thanks to UAE very little interest on repaying USA dollars.
To Kirby its not just Russia,but you forgot China,UAE etc,etc.

Kirby is in some kind of la la land...

Kosovo in the UN will not normalize relations and just as he made the point between east and west Germany and one being in the UN this did not normalize relations between the two side... Germany in east and west were already had normal relations in the sense the east and west Germany contained majority German people, kosovo on the other hand is majority ethnic albanian...

East and west Germany wanted to unite, but some KLA kosovo albanians do not want unity with Serbia, they want independence. So east and west Germany should never have been mentioned by kirby as it is completely different to Serbia.

Kirby says to come to reality about the one billion in aid to Serbia and that they not only gave bombs but money also.... kirby must have dementia, the US gave Serbia bombs yes, depleted uranium bombs, they supported KLA terrorists and recognized kosovo as independent, they placed sanctions on Serbia which devastated the economy and currently occupy kosovo with a military base just as the ottomons once did... that is the reality...

The US thinks one billion dollars will buy kosovo after they caused over $100 billion in damage with their bombs and long term radiation exposure for generations of Serbian children which now must suffer, also billions of dollars economic loss due to sanctions. The reality is the US not only threw bombs, but they ruined the Serbia, one billion dollars aid is peanuts and that is the reality.

A lion doesn't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep. The opinion from Serbia is not relevant when it comes to Kosovo. The membership in institutions like UNESCO or UN are a numbers game and Serbia can not win, only delay. Since ICJ has legitimized the declaration of independency, there is no going back.

However I do have a question for Serb users here. You all say Kosovo is Serbia and that you want Kosovo back and stuff but nobody can tell me one good reason why Kosovo would want to be with Serbia. Is there anyone who can name one good reason for Kosovo and the 95% Albanians to rejoin with Serbia? Even Montenegro dident want to be with you, why should we?? Open for inputs.

To Balboa, and Gjoni Marku,
I a simple person and you answered that for me how independenve work.
BUT,then why couldn't Serb's in Croatia province of krjina,or Serb's in a state of Serbska Republica of Bosnia Herzegovina OR Serb's in Norh of Kosovska Mitrovica have no right to Vote for independence like you both stated to me how works.
That is double dip as they say. One rule for Shiptars, Croatian's,or Bosnians. And another for poor Serb's how come.PLEASE can you answer that for me.
As well , my relatives ( Mexican's) and I live in a area SAY Texas,and have a majority of the area( neighbourhood) and like to form a independent state, why not ?If we are the majority, like Serb's in Krjina Croatia in 1990's,Serb's in Kosovska Mitrovica, and Serb's in Serbska Republica.
Again I ask Why not?
Other wise then everyone should have aright to vote in the country they a citizens!

As an Albanian I just hope Serbia will never accept Kosovo in UN. This position is the best service Serbia could do our cause. The time is coming when everyone will get tired of Serbia and will chose the other approach: Kosovo unification with Albania. No Serbian or Russian veto is applicable. Feel free to cry in the corner.

The time is coming and you are speeding it up.

High time this "agent provocateur" Kirby was history. His persistent agitation has been a thorn in the side of the Serbian public for longer than anyone cares to remember. Serbia should seriously consider whether this global bully he represents should have any legitimate presence in Serbia at all.As for the relentless contributors Gjon and Bilbao maybe you could join him on the plane when he leaves.

I was thinking and i just realised that for Kosovo is more worse to not be part of Serbia , if they were part of Serbia they had better future , better healthcare , better hospitals , and a future .

from 2016 Serbia gdp will start grow up faster and faster

for yugoslavija that is the link i forgot to write in the last post it is in English and Romania http://www.insse.ro/cms/files/IDDT%202012/Date_IDDT/T6_1.Venitul%20total%20mediu%20lunar%20pe%20o%20gospodarie.htm

I think the break up of Yugoslavia was the most big mistake possible

(Gjon Marku, 25 December 2015 13:50)

Gjon I been asking same question for years but Serbia has only one solution for Kosovo and that solution does not involve 95% of population.

I read you are from Gjakova and you can understand when I say no way people of that city or rest of Kosovo who still do not have their dead back will ever accept that to be under Serbian rule, that city was the most damaged during the war and they burned half the town not to mention the rape.

but I would like a input the same way all I hear is more than Autonomy less then indapandance, fool me once shame on you and full me twice shame on me.

Gezuar Krishtlindjet :)

To Gjon Marku,
Russia has GAS,Oil,Gold and Silver etc,etc.That all idiot's would know except you Gjon!
Russia is like the Old Uncle that is loaded and FULL money.
Europe needs its GAS to keep warm ,and it's Oil when Islamic State (IS) is finally behead,then no more black market oil(dirt cheap oil).Then hello Russian oil.
USA was one of the biggest market for Russian Gold and Silver.That is when Armenian's, Georgian's,with Russian that sell in LA,New York,Chicago.Europe too buys their Russian Gold and Silver, especially Britain and its a beautiful yellow color and not that ugly orange Arab gold.
That Gjon Marku should answer ,why Putin has his hand's in alot of project's in the Western world.Don't forget the Tourism that 200 million middle and lower class tourist travel thru Europe and the US.
Do not forget Uncle Russia with alot of rich ,important gifts. That why people torelate that country.

Serbia is talking about ZSO which is lart of Ahtisaari Plan.
Albanians have accepted Ahtisaari Plan which includes ZSO, formation of Kosovo Army and the right for Kosovo to become an UN member.
If sebs want ZSO and mentioning Ahtisaari Plan they should accept all the Ahtisaari Plan and not cherry picking the ones that suits them.

Ahtisaari Plan
Formation of ZSO
Albanians have agree on it.

Kosovo Army and Kosovo member of UN, serbia has to accept those.

The ball is in serbian court.

@comm.parizian

It is right to say that Russia can veto Kosovo' s request for membership in UN, bit this position of Russia is to support Serbia.
In the other words if Serbia agrees for Kosovo to become a UN member, Russia will vote Yes.
Russia cen not become more serb than serbs...

I can tell you why Texas and California dont seperate even thou they could. They are better off in the US. The US is a nation of interest. Every state could declare independancy but they profit from the US. Under the constitution everyone is equal. This is also the reason why noone wants to stay with serbia. They dont understand nor practice equality.

Look at every country now. All are better off without serbia.

To Balboa,
Sorry Bambi is busy,but I will give you a solution. The solution stares at lot of Serb's, and Shiptars in the face,look at Cyprus, they are a 1 country with 2 Entities ,and while Greek entity is in EU union( like Serb's join in 2020),while turks entity will join the EU union in the future ( like Pristina joins in the later future say in 2030).Same position two countries.
Cyprus was in a civil war like Serbia, has fought Turk's that have a country next door called Turkey,just like Shiptars that have a country next door called Albania.See the similarities.
That should answer your question Balboa and to Gjoni Marku or Mark Gjon,what ever the person's name.
Balboa enjoy your Christmas today in what ever Western country you live, say a pray for the poor Catholics in the middle East being killed for their faith.

Sasa.p

Keep dreaming. Russia is irrelevant. Here are the facts http://statisticstimes.com/economy/projected-world-gdp-ranking.php

Everyone with a little economy background can see that. You keep believing of your old lying uncle. No worries. :-)

If russsia was so rich, why is serbia trying to join EU and not Russian coalition with former satelite states??

(kent prince, 25 December 2015 11:39)

Not true at all Germanies were not suppose to reunite ever, major events happened and major economic pressure to Russia and $$$$$ payments made it so, and 1majorary will of German people.

Let me ask you a question, no Albanian wants to go back under Serbian rule as last time it was not pleasant at all; Lets do it same way that if people of this two countries want to reunite sure lets do it.

This is a well-known fact that Serbia and Kosovo will work as two Germanies just like ZSO will be as per Belgium model for German minority there.

Instead of huffing and puffing lets wait and see in 7 or 8 years what will happen before EU entrance, and just to remind u by that time Kosovo will be 22 or 23 years seperated from Serbian rule, that means there will be young adults roaming who will not understand your demand of Kosovo part of Serbia.

Merry Christmas

You missed the point Bilbao,conveniently. Kosovo is part of the territory of Serbia (and was of Yugoslavia) and as such Serbs and other groups living there in Serbia should be able to vote in the type of referendum you are purporting to describe. Of course you don't like that idea because if all people were asked to vote the outcome is obvious,and in this case would result in the territorial integrity of Serbia being maintained. Partition would only be a possiblity if the Albanian majority in Kosovo had it's own mini referendum disregarding Kosovo's legal status as part of Serbia.It's a sad indictment on the US and EU that if such a referendum,like yours, were to be proposed there we'd never hear the last of it but they support it externally if it's in their interests.They didn't object when Yugoslavia was dismantled in the fashion your describing either when I bet my bottom dollar if all citizens of Yugoslavia had been asked about the break-up it would never have happened and that majority,knowing what they know now, would be even greater.Look what happened when the Confederate States of America tried to secede from the Union after your version of a referendum,civil war, and now they all live in peace,the minority,having been forced to reject isolationism and thankfully slavery. What's your problem???

maybe Texas, California , new MEXICO should separate because the people do want it.....then normalization could happen.....Mexican lands and no those western whites ......

You had to be so stupid and ignorant to bring up the two Germany's. Kosovo does not claim to be the real Serbia but an independent nation from Serbia. Serbs agree with 63% saying Kosovo is an independent nation according to b92 and ipsos polls but not the real Serbia. There is no reason to bring this up when dacic said he would have no problems with Kosovo in UN but not because of two Germany's but just for normalization and settlement.

I think the break up of Yugoslavia was the most big mistake possible
(adrian_bucharest, 25 December 2015 10:21)

I agree that breakup of Yugoslavia was biggest mistake, we broke up to get reunited in EU, if we had smarter politicians we would have joined EU before Poland and CZ and with much higher gdp and stronger economy.

However that train has left with no opportunity to return, thus we can not trust t live under Serbia. they never offered anything except wanting the land without its people.

Serbia is still run by same nationalist but under different political party, they were all in Gov with Milosevic and Seselj but somehow they eat plazma keks and they have changed the way they think.

Vucic - claimed to kill 100 Bosnians for each Serb how can we trust such person to treat minorities with respect. even though he seem like a shrewd politician.

Kosovo is Serbia. There is no such thing as a separate country called Kosovo- on Serbia's territory? That is silly really.There is only one country and it is called Serbia.
(sillyyou, 25 December 2015 16:14)

Well, of course that's the case according to Serbia and to a certain sillyyou. However according to 110+ countries, Kosovo is a country and not sure there is much Serbia or sillyyou can do about it.
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Albanians live on Serbia's territory, on stolen land.
(sillyyou, 25 December 2015 16:14)

Well, do you have an example of a parcel of land that is stolen by an Albanian in Serbia or you just made it up?

BBB = Bye Bye Bosnia

All are better off without serbia.
(Gjon Marku, 25 December 2015 20:39)

You mean Yugoslavia. That was the country all were a part of before you were born. Not Serbia. And there's not a single state that's better off now than when they were part of Yugoslavia. Even Albanians in Kosovo managed to go from better than Albania itself to worse than Moldova. Try being more accurate instead of a racist twit next time you're trying to make point.

To Gjoni Marku,
Everyone has a right to independence, but that means the whole of Serbia 10 million citizen's ,should vote for Kosovo having independence, or Serbia joining NATO.The same with the whole Bosnia Herzegovina should vote for Serbska republic having independence.
That how a democratic country works, not a province or area of a country.
That should answer your question!

Bilbao

You are absolutely right. We Gjakovars paid a high price for our independency and there is no way of going back.

You too urime krishtlindjet my friend!! Merry christmas to all of you no matter where you from!

Sasa.p

Nope thats not how it works. In fact thats the contrary to democray. In Montenegro voted only montenegrins, in catalunia only catalans, his is how it works. If a woman wants a divorce from her abusive husband, the husband has no saying in that.

Again, it doesnt matter anymore. ICJ has made its decision and institutions are only a numbers game. Serbia can delay not prevent. Time is Kosovos friend.

Russian Veto

Yea Russia, what can I say. You are a former worldleader now the only relevance Russia has is its permanent UN seat and veto right. Your economy is worth nothing and except of military repression, there is nothing Russia has to offer. Actualy its sad. Even Serbia is choosing EU over Russia. No my friend, you are not the lion in this story. You're just the old racist uncle everyone has and everyone has to tolerate.

What has Russia to offer exept of an important vote?? Nothing.

"...and west Germany and one being in the UN this did not normalize relations between the two side... Germany in east and west were already had normal relations in the sense the east and west Germany contained majority German people"
(Nikola Novakovic, 25 December 2015 16:37)

So you think South and North Korea nowadays have a normal relations, because they both contain Korean people? These two states are more or less enemies on a verge to a war, and it was not so different for east and west Germany 50 years ago. Germany (west) never recognized Germany (east) as a state, they never exchanged ambassadors, so it's indeed similar to Serbia and Kosovo. I think the statement was meant in that way.

Of course you are right, it's unlikely that Kosovo reunites with Serbia. Best option would be northern Kosovo unite with Serbia, southern Kosovo unite with Albania, and one stillborn mafia ruled 'state' on the map would be obsolete.

"The membership in institutions like UNESCO or UN are a numbers game and Serbia can not win, only delay. "
(Gjon Marku, 25 December 2015 13:50)

Not exactly. The membership in UNESCO is a number game, and Kosovo failed to gain the needed number to become a member. It was stupid from the Kosovo government to even try: Kosovo needed more votes than it has recognitions, so why should a country not recognizing Kosovo vote positive for its membership? Membership in UN on the other hand is a veto game, and be sure Russia will veto any attempt needed for applying for UN membership. And Serbia can neither win or delay, Serbia simply has (almost) no say in it - it has ONE vote, like any other country.

Everyone has a right to independence, but that means the whole of Serbia 10 million citizen's ,should vote for Kosovo having independence, or Serbia joining NATO.The same with the whole Bosnia Herzegovina should vote for Serbska republic having independence.
That how a democratic country works, not a province or area of a country.
That should answer your question!
(sasa.p, 25 December 2015 14:11)

Sasa Referendum does not work that way at all and let me give you examples:

1. South Sudan only people from South Sudan had the chance to vote.
2. Scotland only Scotts voted in Referendum
3. Quebec separation referendum 1980
4. Iceland
5. Montenegro - No one in Serbia just people living in Montenegro

.... Djibuti, I can go on and on.

An independence referendum is a type of referendum in which the citizens of a territory decide whether the territory should become an independent sovereign state. An independence referendum that results in a vote for independence does not always ultimately result in independence.

In referendum its suppose to be the portion of geography known and that is Kosovo as a territory has Voted in 1990 but we can repeat the vote for you.

(Rifki's Blow, 25 December 2015 16:30)

Kosovo had its own Constitution and its own parliament that Milosevic disbanded; Hence the war and independence proclamation.

As for the relentless contributors Gjon and Bilbao maybe you could join him on the plane when he leaves.
(Bambi, 25 December 2015 16:47)

Did I get under your skin? You see you can not tolerate opinion in a forum but want us to live together? I do not live in Kosovo so you should be happy. Why not kick him the Ambassador out since you are so strong nation!!! Kick him out and even close US embassy if you can, ask for Russia to open a base and try to win Kosovo back.

But you see this is the language you always bring up, cheer up man its Christmas I opened my presents and I know you have to wait till January but cheer up and enjoy.

You can not stop me from coming to this forum, hit dislike or dont read my comments like i never read Nikola Novakovic, i just skip. However even if you read mine you have no say where I live or what I say, its a forum to share opinion what happens in the end is different from our will. Learning to respect opinion its a sign of maturity.

Bambi can you give me a solution for Kosovo that makes sense, does not invoke cleansing population.

To Gjoni Marku,
Serbia wants its pie to keep and be able to eat.
Serbia wants to do business with everyone,Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, China,Japan,Vietnam, UAE,Iran,South- Central America, USA,EU.etc
You and your mates don't get it Serbia is moving forward, not stuck like Albania. It didn't buckle to EU pressure not to do business with Russia,and will always do business with the non European countries.
As for Russia its got an embargo, for around 18 month's and just signed to export gas and oil to China and Iran!.
Putin doesn't look worried,and EU will need Russia ( oil,and gas).

What you expect?
Do you think we would start this negotiaton if at the end no UN membership?

There is nothing 'normal' about Kosovo being admitted into the UN now.

Kosovo is already in the UN, it is still and always will be a province IN Serbia.

Sasa.P

Thanks for the offer but no thank you.

Time is our friend. We are slowly building a country and maybe this year or next year, we will have our own army. What do you think why serbia is engaging in Negotiations with Prishtina? Becasue they know Kosova is lost and all they can do now, is try to protect Serbs as good as they can for what is coming. I understand and respect that.

Just ask your self one thing. Who is serbia talking too and with who are they trying to make international binding agreements? These are not autonomie talks this is a We-lost-kosova-anyway-and-we-have-to-make-sure-to-protect-our-people-who-would-still-have-to-live-there talk.

Your Government already signed a Contract that can only be implemented if the Constitution of Kosova is not violated. The constituion of Serbia is not even mentioned in that contract because its irrelevant for domestic affairs of Kosova.

You see, we are already living without Belgrade and Serbia and you know what? Its sweet as pie. Now excuse me while I enjoy my freedom.

Kosovo is Serbia. There is no such thing as a separate country called Kosovo- on Serbia's territory? That is silly really.There is only one country and it is called Serbia.
(sillyyou, 25 December 2015 16:14)

Well, of course that's the case according to Serbia and to a certain sillyyou. However according to 110+ countries, Kosovo is a country and not sure there is much Serbia or sillyyou can do about it.
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Albanians live on Serbia's territory, on stolen land.
(sillyyou, 25 December 2015 16:14)

Well, do you have an example of a parcel of land that is stolen by an Albanian in Serbia or you just made it up?

What has Russia to offer exept of an important vote?? Nothing.
(Gjon Marku, 25 December 2015 17:23)

You know what? Even if everything else you said was true, that one important vote still keeps you out of the UN.

Poor you :)

US Ambassador to Serbia Mr.Michael Kirby comparing Kosovo with East Germany in respect to UN membership is totally off the wall.As a result of World War 2 Germany was defeated Nation divided by Allies.Both East and West Germany joined UN because UNSC agreed to it.US led West, by force, is trying create new State out of the Serbian Province KOSMET.Mr Ambassador in all due respect there is a resolution 1244 which explicitly guarantee territorial integrity of Serbia ,so you would have to modify that resolution to create legally new State.Since US has "GOOD RELATIONS"with both Russia and China that should not be a problem.Trying to coerce Serbia's leadership to recognize Kosovo state is futile exercise.

Putin doesn't look worried
(sasa.p, 26 December 2015 00:56)

Of course... He will not have problems to feed himself or his family, unlike the ordinary Russians when Russia's reserves run out.
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and EU will need Russia ( oil,and gas)
(sasa.p, 26 December 2015 00:56)

Well, Russia will also need the EU payments for the oil/gas to eat. It's not that Russia is giving the oil and gas to the EU because it loves the EU lol Russia is selling its oil/gas to the EU because it needs the EU money. Unfortunately, the human body has not adapted yet to a diet of oil and gas which would have been great for Russia lol

Gjon Marku lol lol lol

he come with such an old and bad statistics he never heard about imf or world bank or european comision or focus economics wich is a new very good website about all world

Gjon Marku how could find exactly this statistic ?

And what relevance have the gdp per capita ? and the economy ?

is about OIL GAS not about industry

PRIMITIVE ALBANIAN

As for Russia its got an embargo, for around 18 month's and just signed to export gas and oil to China and Iran!.
Putin doesn't look worried,and EU will need Russian oil.
(sasa.p, 26 December 2015 00:56)



Unfortunately for Putin, it costs Russia more than $60/ barrel to get oil to market, however, the price of oil has plummeted to less than $40/barrel. How is Russia going to survive by selling oil at a loss of over $20/barrel? The international markets are flooded with cheap oil thanks to the U.S. and Saudi Arabia and now with Iranian oil about to be dumped on the international markets at bargain prices, Russia is panicking. The economic situation in Russia is already quite desperate. Not long ago, the "economic genius", Putin, had been buying gold on the open market at about $1260/oz, as a hedge. Since then gold has sunk to $1175/oz. A very poor move on the part of Putin, one that causes Russia to be at the mercy of short sellers of gold. Consequently, in the last few years, Russia has lost billions due to Putin's poor decision making. To make matters worse, Russia is being crippled by Western sanctions. As a solution, Putin is pretending to fight ISIS in hopes of having Western sanctions lifted, all the while, wishing the average Russian is distracted from his hunger pains. With all of Russia's economic problems, how much concern does Putin have for Serbia. It won't be long till Putin throws Serbia under the bus by bending to Western demands to recognize Kosova.

Kosovo can join...., as part of Serbia :-)
By itself, it's not going to happen. The world is split right now, and the split is getting stronger. The side against Kosovo as an independent state is getting quite strong. Plus, not even the so called supporters of Kosovo as an independent state are that supportive. Just look at the failure of the EU to grant visa free travel to Kosovo. So, this isn't a good time for Kosovo.

To Kirby its not just Russia,but you forgot China,UAE etc,etc.
(sasa.p, 25 December 2015 15:26)

Sasa you should look at the loans UAE gives you before you speak, also they also have accepted Kosovo as independent country. Be careful with UAE as well as they will start building Mosques in Serbia and who knows in 300 years they might just claim Serbia belongs to them.

But sure investment from Marsian is good for Serbia.

If you bow your head and see that your watch costs more than my car, well it means that you're most probably a corrupted judge!! This is what Ambassador Donald Lu said to Albanian judges a few days ago. He also added that women suffer more from corruption than do men but he didn't tell us why exactly. Ambassador Lu is delivering very smart speeches anyday in Albanian tv. Our premier Edi Rama also asked for FBI to help our policemen to find corrupted people. He aso asked for foreign judges to come and judge our judges like in Kosova but Ambassador Lu replied that well, you are supposed to be an independent country from 1912 but you won't miss the foreign expertise. There is son much corruption in Albania right now and 200.000 Albanians have applied for US visa lotary in last 3 months. Also Croatian ambassador said that for Albanians the sun rise at the west. While Erdogan promised us Turkey will rebuild the building of our parliament. He got touched when a young Albanian girl dedicated him a beautiful poem entitled Oh you sultan of my heart don't forget your people here in Albania. Erdogan and his wife tried to hide their tears but they clearly got touched. Just want to tell the audience how much are our Nato members trying to help Albania. We are proud to be partners in the strongest alliance of the whole word.

The side against Kosovo as an independent state is getting quite strong.
(Raisin Scone, 27 December 2015 12:14)

Sure, in your head :) However, in the real world though just last month Kosovo's supporters outnumbered the other side by almost 2 to 1 during the UNESCO membership voting. Just a note in case you are not aware: in normal math 1 is smaller than 2 - not sure though if that is the math that is taught in Serbia!
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Plus, not even the so called supporters of Kosovo as an independent state are that supportive. Just look at the failure of the EU to grant visa free travel to Kosovo.
(Raisin Scone, 27 December 2015 12:14)

Well, Kosovo has been working only for a few years to get the visa free travel. It took most most Western Balkans countries, Serbia included, two decades to get the visa free travel. If Kosovo does not get it by around 2030, you might have a point lol
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So, this isn't a good time for Kosovo.
(Raisin Scone, 27 December 2015 12:14)

Well, for Kosovo is less worse than being under Serbia's control - everything is relative. So not sure what your point or alternative is?!

Kirby says us gave billon $$$ that's restitution for illegal boming

The Count of Kosova: “Russia is being crippled by Western sanctions / Putin is pretending to fight ISIS / average Russian is distracted from his hunger pains/ how much concern does Putin have for Serbia.”

There’s only one of the sanctions that really harms us – the finance while everything else is only in our favor. Many Chinese goods and tools proved to be as good as the European ones but twice cheaper. Many Russian companies increased their production and replaced the EU losers. They make computers , phones, agricultural products and lots of other things.

We have to kill the bandits that surround the Alewite regions and Damascus first. And those are not the DAESH. Yet we destroyed DAESH much more than the US coalition. In the weeks to come great part of the gangs near Aleppo will be surrounded and murdered and the Turkish border will be closed. Then I hope troops will be sent to the south of Damascus and Palmira. Only after that DAESH will be destroyed in coalition with the Kurds.

So despite the “hunger pains” parallel to buying the biggest amounts of the gold (187 tons in November) we do the job and there’s not a single front where the Yankees you suck succeeded. And your permanent mantras that Russia will betray Serbia shows that Sqiptars are in despair and panic. Seek peace with the Serbs before we are back to the Balkans or we shall add you to the sexual minorities.

To ICJ and the rest of the Albanian's,
I have given you a country called Cyprus, that would be very similar to the problem's ,that Serbia has,with same history and similar situation at present.
I give you Albanian's an realistic opportunity to came to a solution, that will meet both parties (Belgrade, Pristina) happy!.
Please don't give me bull stories, like "you can't be a half pregnant" and we where under Serb rule ( You where under Yugoslav rule and Communist's TITO,and Milosevic rule) Leave that peasants say's, else where.
At present situation, Serbia is moving forward, and even in Novi Pazar is moving forward ,with hositals and school just completed. Serbia investor's in the last 6 month's are arriving ,with countries alist,Cuba,Argentina, Brazil, Japan,China,Vietnam, South Korea, UAE,Iran,Kazakhstan, Belarus, Russia, ,EU countries, and even USA.
If a solution can't be found,than that suits Serbia fine at present situation.Serbia is progressing economic fast,( That I am shock).While Albania and Pristina are at snail pace.
Again I say,please don't give peasantry and village explaining 's, Give me a realistic solution that will work ,like I gave everyone (Cyprus).

If you dont understand the importance of GPD as a KPI for a market and If you talk only about export and not import or investments, you are not allowed to sit at the grown up table anyway.

I like how you keep calling names and making statements without any kind of source. It sais a lot about you.

B92 hired ipsos to do a poll of Serbia and that found 63% recognize Kosovo as independent. Ipsos is a prestigious polling firm that is known all over the world. It would be so dumb to go with an online survey. I don't even look at them!

I forgot to mention in my previous post the contribution of the UK ambassador in Albania. Michael and Donald are the first gay newlyweds whose marriage was celebrated in the UK embassy in Tirana in May 2015. The first gay couple got married in Tirana says this article here http://www.panorama.com.al/martohet-cifti-i-pare-gay-ne-tirane-ja-kush-ishte-i-ftuar/ Now the audience needs to understand what this mean for a very patriarchal country like Albania where gay people are treated very badly and often beaten. In Kosova they have been often beaten as well and the UK embassy is emancipating our society to be open minded and open for inputs. So just to make a little bit of fun here, not only the sun rises at the west for us (as croat ambassador said)but he is proudly gay :) peace & love

Here anybody can see how Erdogan and his wife cried when they listened a beautiful poem during their recent visit in Albania https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i2NCAwmZBc
Hej you pride of the Muslim world, our president our leader Rexhep Taip Erdogan, etc, etc...

I see Brian is here once again to provide made up information he repeatedly uses even though he offers so source for these numbers and "facts" he comes up with. Her must have gotten that 63% statistic from the B92 surveys that are always flooded with Albanians voting and revoting and thinks that's the voice of the Serbian people. Oh Brian, you are, if anything, hilarious in the stuff you and only you believe.

You are delusional if you think any international body will ever take you seriously on your own. Here is the deal : Kosovo as a stand alone entity will not will not happen. You are too unstable as evidenced by your recent actions in parliment and elsewhere. The southern Serbian province will partitioned between Serbia and Albania. Obviously the area where Serbs are in majority will go to Serbia and the rest to Albania however Serbia will have complete access to areas where Serbs are in the minority
I am sure the Albanian government will do whatever is necessary to keep you under control

I can tell you why Texas and California dont seperate even thou they could. They are better off in the US. The US is a nation of interest. Every state could declare independancy but they profit from the US. Under the constitution everyone is equal. This is also the reason why noone wants to stay with serbia. They dont understand nor practice equality.

Look at every country now. All are better off without serbia.

Russian Veto

Yea Russia, what can I say. You are a former worldleader now the only relevance Russia has is its permanent UN seat and veto right. Your economy is worth nothing and except of military repression, there is nothing Russia has to offer. Actualy its sad. Even Serbia is choosing EU over Russia. No my friend, you are not the lion in this story. You're just the old racist uncle everyone has and everyone has to tolerate.

What has Russia to offer exept of an important vote?? Nothing.

Sasa.p

Keep dreaming. Russia is irrelevant. Here are the facts http://statisticstimes.com/economy/projected-world-gdp-ranking.php

Everyone with a little economy background can see that. You keep believing of your old lying uncle. No worries. :-)

If russsia was so rich, why is serbia trying to join EU and not Russian coalition with former satelite states??

If you bow your head and see that your watch costs more than my car, well it means that you're most probably a corrupted judge!! This is what Ambassador Donald Lu said to Albanian judges a few days ago. He also added that women suffer more from corruption than do men but he didn't tell us why exactly. Ambassador Lu is delivering very smart speeches anyday in Albanian tv. Our premier Edi Rama also asked for FBI to help our policemen to find corrupted people. He aso asked for foreign judges to come and judge our judges like in Kosova but Ambassador Lu replied that well, you are supposed to be an independent country from 1912 but you won't miss the foreign expertise. There is son much corruption in Albania right now and 200.000 Albanians have applied for US visa lotary in last 3 months. Also Croatian ambassador said that for Albanians the sun rise at the west. While Erdogan promised us Turkey will rebuild the building of our parliament. He got touched when a young Albanian girl dedicated him a beautiful poem entitled Oh you sultan of my heart don't forget your people here in Albania. Erdogan and his wife tried to hide their tears but they clearly got touched. Just want to tell the audience how much are our Nato members trying to help Albania. We are proud to be partners in the strongest alliance of the whole word.

A lion doesn't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep. The opinion from Serbia is not relevant when it comes to Kosovo. The membership in institutions like UNESCO or UN are a numbers game and Serbia can not win, only delay. Since ICJ has legitimized the declaration of independency, there is no going back.

However I do have a question for Serb users here. You all say Kosovo is Serbia and that you want Kosovo back and stuff but nobody can tell me one good reason why Kosovo would want to be with Serbia. Is there anyone who can name one good reason for Kosovo and the 95% Albanians to rejoin with Serbia? Even Montenegro dident want to be with you, why should we?? Open for inputs.

As an Albanian I just hope Serbia will never accept Kosovo in UN. This position is the best service Serbia could do our cause. The time is coming when everyone will get tired of Serbia and will chose the other approach: Kosovo unification with Albania. No Serbian or Russian veto is applicable. Feel free to cry in the corner.

The time is coming and you are speeding it up.

I was thinking and i just realised that for Kosovo is more worse to not be part of Serbia , if they were part of Serbia they had better future , better healthcare , better hospitals , and a future .

from 2016 Serbia gdp will start grow up faster and faster

for yugoslavija that is the link i forgot to write in the last post it is in English and Romania http://www.insse.ro/cms/files/IDDT%202012/Date_IDDT/T6_1.Venitul%20total%20mediu%20lunar%20pe%20o%20gospodarie.htm

I think the break up of Yugoslavia was the most big mistake possible

I think the break up of Yugoslavia was the most big mistake possible
(adrian_bucharest, 25 December 2015 10:21)

I agree that breakup of Yugoslavia was biggest mistake, we broke up to get reunited in EU, if we had smarter politicians we would have joined EU before Poland and CZ and with much higher gdp and stronger economy.

However that train has left with no opportunity to return, thus we can not trust t live under Serbia. they never offered anything except wanting the land without its people.

Serbia is still run by same nationalist but under different political party, they were all in Gov with Milosevic and Seselj but somehow they eat plazma keks and they have changed the way they think.

Vucic - claimed to kill 100 Bosnians for each Serb how can we trust such person to treat minorities with respect. even though he seem like a shrewd politician.

To Gjoni Marku,
Everyone has a right to independence, but that means the whole of Serbia 10 million citizen's ,should vote for Kosovo having independence, or Serbia joining NATO.The same with the whole Bosnia Herzegovina should vote for Serbska republic having independence.
That how a democratic country works, not a province or area of a country.
That should answer your question!

Bilbao

You are absolutely right. We Gjakovars paid a high price for our independency and there is no way of going back.

You too urime krishtlindjet my friend!! Merry christmas to all of you no matter where you from!

Sasa.p

Nope thats not how it works. In fact thats the contrary to democray. In Montenegro voted only montenegrins, in catalunia only catalans, his is how it works. If a woman wants a divorce from her abusive husband, the husband has no saying in that.

Again, it doesnt matter anymore. ICJ has made its decision and institutions are only a numbers game. Serbia can delay not prevent. Time is Kosovos friend.

Everyone has a right to independence, but that means the whole of Serbia 10 million citizen's ,should vote for Kosovo having independence, or Serbia joining NATO.The same with the whole Bosnia Herzegovina should vote for Serbska republic having independence.
That how a democratic country works, not a province or area of a country.
That should answer your question!
(sasa.p, 25 December 2015 14:11)

Sasa Referendum does not work that way at all and let me give you examples:

1. South Sudan only people from South Sudan had the chance to vote.
2. Scotland only Scotts voted in Referendum
3. Quebec separation referendum 1980
4. Iceland
5. Montenegro - No one in Serbia just people living in Montenegro

.... Djibuti, I can go on and on.

An independence referendum is a type of referendum in which the citizens of a territory decide whether the territory should become an independent sovereign state. An independence referendum that results in a vote for independence does not always ultimately result in independence.

In referendum its suppose to be the portion of geography known and that is Kosovo as a territory has Voted in 1990 but we can repeat the vote for you.

(Rifki's Blow, 25 December 2015 16:30)

Kosovo had its own Constitution and its own parliament that Milosevic disbanded; Hence the war and independence proclamation.

As for the relentless contributors Gjon and Bilbao maybe you could join him on the plane when he leaves.
(Bambi, 25 December 2015 16:47)

Did I get under your skin? You see you can not tolerate opinion in a forum but want us to live together? I do not live in Kosovo so you should be happy. Why not kick him the Ambassador out since you are so strong nation!!! Kick him out and even close US embassy if you can, ask for Russia to open a base and try to win Kosovo back.

But you see this is the language you always bring up, cheer up man its Christmas I opened my presents and I know you have to wait till January but cheer up and enjoy.

You can not stop me from coming to this forum, hit dislike or dont read my comments like i never read Nikola Novakovic, i just skip. However even if you read mine you have no say where I live or what I say, its a forum to share opinion what happens in the end is different from our will. Learning to respect opinion its a sign of maturity.

Bambi can you give me a solution for Kosovo that makes sense, does not invoke cleansing population.

Kosovo is Serbia. There is no such thing as a separate country called Kosovo- on Serbia's territory? That is silly really.There is only one country and it is called Serbia.
(sillyyou, 25 December 2015 16:14)

Well, of course that's the case according to Serbia and to a certain sillyyou. However according to 110+ countries, Kosovo is a country and not sure there is much Serbia or sillyyou can do about it.
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Albanians live on Serbia's territory, on stolen land.
(sillyyou, 25 December 2015 16:14)

Well, do you have an example of a parcel of land that is stolen by an Albanian in Serbia or you just made it up?

To Balboa,
Sorry Bambi is busy,but I will give you a solution. The solution stares at lot of Serb's, and Shiptars in the face,look at Cyprus, they are a 1 country with 2 Entities ,and while Greek entity is in EU union( like Serb's join in 2020),while turks entity will join the EU union in the future ( like Pristina joins in the later future say in 2030).Same position two countries.
Cyprus was in a civil war like Serbia, has fought Turk's that have a country next door called Turkey,just like Shiptars that have a country next door called Albania.See the similarities.
That should answer your question Balboa and to Gjoni Marku or Mark Gjon,what ever the person's name.
Balboa enjoy your Christmas today in what ever Western country you live, say a pray for the poor Catholics in the middle East being killed for their faith.

There is nothing 'normal' about Kosovo being admitted into the UN now.

Kosovo is already in the UN, it is still and always will be a province IN Serbia.

(Gjon Marku, 25 December 2015 13:50)

Gjon I been asking same question for years but Serbia has only one solution for Kosovo and that solution does not involve 95% of population.

I read you are from Gjakova and you can understand when I say no way people of that city or rest of Kosovo who still do not have their dead back will ever accept that to be under Serbian rule, that city was the most damaged during the war and they burned half the town not to mention the rape.

but I would like a input the same way all I hear is more than Autonomy less then indapandance, fool me once shame on you and full me twice shame on me.

Gezuar Krishtlindjet :)

Kosovo is Serbia. There is no such thing as a separate country called Kosovo- on Serbia's territory? That is silly really.There is only one country and it is called Serbia.
(sillyyou, 25 December 2015 16:14)

Well, of course that's the case according to Serbia and to a certain sillyyou. However according to 110+ countries, Kosovo is a country and not sure there is much Serbia or sillyyou can do about it.
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Albanians live on Serbia's territory, on stolen land.
(sillyyou, 25 December 2015 16:14)

Well, do you have an example of a parcel of land that is stolen by an Albanian in Serbia or you just made it up?

Kirby has been watching too much situation drama on TV. He imagines that the currency of politics is a convincing performance. The currency of political power is experience and history. The Albanian claims on Kosovo as Albanian land is a fraud and it doesn't matter how many people in the world believe it or how many governments of the world pronounce its legitimacy. Not only are Albanian claims to a country in Kosovo a performance, but it is an extremely poor performance. Even the disinterested fans are beginning to look a little silly.

(kent prince, 25 December 2015 11:39)

Not true at all Germanies were not suppose to reunite ever, major events happened and major economic pressure to Russia and $$$$$ payments made it so, and 1majorary will of German people.

Let me ask you a question, no Albanian wants to go back under Serbian rule as last time it was not pleasant at all; Lets do it same way that if people of this two countries want to reunite sure lets do it.

This is a well-known fact that Serbia and Kosovo will work as two Germanies just like ZSO will be as per Belgium model for German minority there.

Instead of huffing and puffing lets wait and see in 7 or 8 years what will happen before EU entrance, and just to remind u by that time Kosovo will be 22 or 23 years seperated from Serbian rule, that means there will be young adults roaming who will not understand your demand of Kosovo part of Serbia.

Merry Christmas

To Kirby its not just Russia,but you forgot China,UAE etc,etc.
(sasa.p, 25 December 2015 15:26)

Sasa you should look at the loans UAE gives you before you speak, also they also have accepted Kosovo as independent country. Be careful with UAE as well as they will start building Mosques in Serbia and who knows in 300 years they might just claim Serbia belongs to them.

But sure investment from Marsian is good for Serbia.

Why are you telling Serbia this? Serbia does not have the power to make fake countries join the UN. Unless of course the fake country is on Serbia's territory. Then yes, Serbia does have a say. But doesn't that really prove who Kosovo-Metohija truthfully belongs to if only Serbia can ensure that it becomes a real country, not a fake one?!

Anyway, with the latest failure at UNESCO, I would forget about UN membership for a while. UN needs 2/3 votes and those who abstain count against the bid, unlike UNESCO. So if you couldn't get in there, full membership at the UN seems impossible. It can't be 99 forever Kirby.

To Gjon Marku,
Russia has GAS,Oil,Gold and Silver etc,etc.That all idiot's would know except you Gjon!
Russia is like the Old Uncle that is loaded and FULL money.
Europe needs its GAS to keep warm ,and it's Oil when Islamic State (IS) is finally behead,then no more black market oil(dirt cheap oil).Then hello Russian oil.
USA was one of the biggest market for Russian Gold and Silver.That is when Armenian's, Georgian's,with Russian that sell in LA,New York,Chicago.Europe too buys their Russian Gold and Silver, especially Britain and its a beautiful yellow color and not that ugly orange Arab gold.
That Gjon Marku should answer ,why Putin has his hand's in alot of project's in the Western world.Don't forget the Tourism that 200 million middle and lower class tourist travel thru Europe and the US.
Do not forget Uncle Russia with alot of rich ,important gifts. That why people torelate that country.

Gjon Marku lol lol lol

he come with such an old and bad statistics he never heard about imf or world bank or european comision or focus economics wich is a new very good website about all world

Gjon Marku how could find exactly this statistic ?

And what relevance have the gdp per capita ? and the economy ?

is about OIL GAS not about industry

PRIMITIVE ALBANIAN

Mr Kirby is playing games.
In relation to East and West Germany, the concensus among world powers was for East and West Germany in the far future to reunify. Kosovo government and the prevailing countries do not share the view of Kosovo reunification with Serbia.

Furthermore, it was decided at the end of wwII that East and West Germany be two seperate and sovereign countries.

At the end of the yugoslav war resolution 1244 ensured kosovo remained Serbia's southern province.

A lion doesn't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep. The opinion from Serbia is not relevant when it comes to Kosovo.
(Gjon Marku, 25 December 2015 13:50)

You're right. But since it's not Serbia's opinion that ultimately matters, you Albanian sheep are going to have to worry more about what us lions do at the Security Council.

Serbia is talking about ZSO which is lart of Ahtisaari Plan.
Albanians have accepted Ahtisaari Plan which includes ZSO, formation of Kosovo Army and the right for Kosovo to become an UN member.
If sebs want ZSO and mentioning Ahtisaari Plan they should accept all the Ahtisaari Plan and not cherry picking the ones that suits them.

Ahtisaari Plan
Formation of ZSO
Albanians have agree on it.

Kosovo Army and Kosovo member of UN, serbia has to accept those.

The ball is in serbian court.

@comm.parizian

It is right to say that Russia can veto Kosovo' s request for membership in UN, bit this position of Russia is to support Serbia.
In the other words if Serbia agrees for Kosovo to become a UN member, Russia will vote Yes.
Russia cen not become more serb than serbs...

"...and west Germany and one being in the UN this did not normalize relations between the two side... Germany in east and west were already had normal relations in the sense the east and west Germany contained majority German people"
(Nikola Novakovic, 25 December 2015 16:37)

So you think South and North Korea nowadays have a normal relations, because they both contain Korean people? These two states are more or less enemies on a verge to a war, and it was not so different for east and west Germany 50 years ago. Germany (west) never recognized Germany (east) as a state, they never exchanged ambassadors, so it's indeed similar to Serbia and Kosovo. I think the statement was meant in that way.

Of course you are right, it's unlikely that Kosovo reunites with Serbia. Best option would be northern Kosovo unite with Serbia, southern Kosovo unite with Albania, and one stillborn mafia ruled 'state' on the map would be obsolete.

As for Russia its got an embargo, for around 18 month's and just signed to export gas and oil to China and Iran!.
Putin doesn't look worried,and EU will need Russian oil.
(sasa.p, 26 December 2015 00:56)



Unfortunately for Putin, it costs Russia more than $60/ barrel to get oil to market, however, the price of oil has plummeted to less than $40/barrel. How is Russia going to survive by selling oil at a loss of over $20/barrel? The international markets are flooded with cheap oil thanks to the U.S. and Saudi Arabia and now with Iranian oil about to be dumped on the international markets at bargain prices, Russia is panicking. The economic situation in Russia is already quite desperate. Not long ago, the "economic genius", Putin, had been buying gold on the open market at about $1260/oz, as a hedge. Since then gold has sunk to $1175/oz. A very poor move on the part of Putin, one that causes Russia to be at the mercy of short sellers of gold. Consequently, in the last few years, Russia has lost billions due to Putin's poor decision making. To make matters worse, Russia is being crippled by Western sanctions. As a solution, Putin is pretending to fight ISIS in hopes of having Western sanctions lifted, all the while, wishing the average Russian is distracted from his hunger pains. With all of Russia's economic problems, how much concern does Putin have for Serbia. It won't be long till Putin throws Serbia under the bus by bending to Western demands to recognize Kosova.

Kosovo is Serbia. There is no such thing as a separate country called Kosovo- on Serbia's territory? That is silly really.There is only one country and it is called Serbia. Albanians live on Serbia's territory, on stolen land. When the disgusting USA and Germans leave this illegal Camp Bondsteel, that is when there will be real peace- nobody will dare to make any criminal activities in that area. But Germans and USA government are terrorists themselves and land grabbing thieves all about money and against Slavic people, they allowed terror to happen in Kosovo. They killed so many people and lie to the world on their controlled media.

To Gjoni Marku,
Don't forget the sheep has Two big Elephants (RUSSIA, China) to watch over (In UN), particularly 1 huge Elephant (RUSSIA).
Then the lion shakes , brambles and poo poo it's pants.!

All are better off without serbia.
(Gjon Marku, 25 December 2015 20:39)

You mean Yugoslavia. That was the country all were a part of before you were born. Not Serbia. And there's not a single state that's better off now than when they were part of Yugoslavia. Even Albanians in Kosovo managed to go from better than Albania itself to worse than Moldova. Try being more accurate instead of a racist twit next time you're trying to make point.

"The membership in institutions like UNESCO or UN are a numbers game and Serbia can not win, only delay. "
(Gjon Marku, 25 December 2015 13:50)

Not exactly. The membership in UNESCO is a number game, and Kosovo failed to gain the needed number to become a member. It was stupid from the Kosovo government to even try: Kosovo needed more votes than it has recognitions, so why should a country not recognizing Kosovo vote positive for its membership? Membership in UN on the other hand is a veto game, and be sure Russia will veto any attempt needed for applying for UN membership. And Serbia can neither win or delay, Serbia simply has (almost) no say in it - it has ONE vote, like any other country.

Thank to USA,but we Serb's don't need your opion,and we don't take order's from USA.
Throwing a fist full of dollars, doesn't buy us ,the other regions in the Balkans it maybe does.
You will find that we got alot of money from UAE,China,Russia,and not the high 8% interest that USA wanted to rip and screw Serbia for,thanks to UAE very little interest on repaying USA dollars.
To Kirby its not just Russia,but you forgot China,UAE etc,etc.

Kirby is in some kind of la la land...

Kosovo in the UN will not normalize relations and just as he made the point between east and west Germany and one being in the UN this did not normalize relations between the two side... Germany in east and west were already had normal relations in the sense the east and west Germany contained majority German people, kosovo on the other hand is majority ethnic albanian...

East and west Germany wanted to unite, but some KLA kosovo albanians do not want unity with Serbia, they want independence. So east and west Germany should never have been mentioned by kirby as it is completely different to Serbia.

Kirby says to come to reality about the one billion in aid to Serbia and that they not only gave bombs but money also.... kirby must have dementia, the US gave Serbia bombs yes, depleted uranium bombs, they supported KLA terrorists and recognized kosovo as independent, they placed sanctions on Serbia which devastated the economy and currently occupy kosovo with a military base just as the ottomons once did... that is the reality...

The US thinks one billion dollars will buy kosovo after they caused over $100 billion in damage with their bombs and long term radiation exposure for generations of Serbian children which now must suffer, also billions of dollars economic loss due to sanctions. The reality is the US not only threw bombs, but they ruined the Serbia, one billion dollars aid is peanuts and that is the reality.

To Balboa, and Gjoni Marku,
I a simple person and you answered that for me how independenve work.
BUT,then why couldn't Serb's in Croatia province of krjina,or Serb's in a state of Serbska Republica of Bosnia Herzegovina OR Serb's in Norh of Kosovska Mitrovica have no right to Vote for independence like you both stated to me how works.
That is double dip as they say. One rule for Shiptars, Croatian's,or Bosnians. And another for poor Serb's how come.PLEASE can you answer that for me.
As well , my relatives ( Mexican's) and I live in a area SAY Texas,and have a majority of the area( neighbourhood) and like to form a independent state, why not ?If we are the majority, like Serb's in Krjina Croatia in 1990's,Serb's in Kosovska Mitrovica, and Serb's in Serbska Republica.
Again I ask Why not?
Other wise then everyone should have aright to vote in the country they a citizens!

To Gjoni Marku,
Serbia wants its pie to keep and be able to eat.
Serbia wants to do business with everyone,Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, China,Japan,Vietnam, UAE,Iran,South- Central America, USA,EU.etc
You and your mates don't get it Serbia is moving forward, not stuck like Albania. It didn't buckle to EU pressure not to do business with Russia,and will always do business with the non European countries.
As for Russia its got an embargo, for around 18 month's and just signed to export gas and oil to China and Iran!.
Putin doesn't look worried,and EU will need Russia ( oil,and gas).

What has Russia to offer exept of an important vote?? Nothing.
(Gjon Marku, 25 December 2015 17:23)

You know what? Even if everything else you said was true, that one important vote still keeps you out of the UN.

Poor you :)

To ICJ and the rest of the Albanian's,
I have given you a country called Cyprus, that would be very similar to the problem's ,that Serbia has,with same history and similar situation at present.
I give you Albanian's an realistic opportunity to came to a solution, that will meet both parties (Belgrade, Pristina) happy!.
Please don't give me bull stories, like "you can't be a half pregnant" and we where under Serb rule ( You where under Yugoslav rule and Communist's TITO,and Milosevic rule) Leave that peasants say's, else where.
At present situation, Serbia is moving forward, and even in Novi Pazar is moving forward ,with hositals and school just completed. Serbia investor's in the last 6 month's are arriving ,with countries alist,Cuba,Argentina, Brazil, Japan,China,Vietnam, South Korea, UAE,Iran,Kazakhstan, Belarus, Russia, ,EU countries, and even USA.
If a solution can't be found,than that suits Serbia fine at present situation.Serbia is progressing economic fast,( That I am shock).While Albania and Pristina are at snail pace.
Again I say,please don't give peasantry and village explaining 's, Give me a realistic solution that will work ,like I gave everyone (Cyprus).

High time this "agent provocateur" Kirby was history. His persistent agitation has been a thorn in the side of the Serbian public for longer than anyone cares to remember. Serbia should seriously consider whether this global bully he represents should have any legitimate presence in Serbia at all.As for the relentless contributors Gjon and Bilbao maybe you could join him on the plane when he leaves.

What you expect?
Do you think we would start this negotiaton if at the end no UN membership?

Kirby says us gave billon $$$ that's restitution for illegal boming

Kosovo can join...., as part of Serbia :-)
By itself, it's not going to happen. The world is split right now, and the split is getting stronger. The side against Kosovo as an independent state is getting quite strong. Plus, not even the so called supporters of Kosovo as an independent state are that supportive. Just look at the failure of the EU to grant visa free travel to Kosovo. So, this isn't a good time for Kosovo.

The Count of Kosova: “Russia is being crippled by Western sanctions / Putin is pretending to fight ISIS / average Russian is distracted from his hunger pains/ how much concern does Putin have for Serbia.”

There’s only one of the sanctions that really harms us – the finance while everything else is only in our favor. Many Chinese goods and tools proved to be as good as the European ones but twice cheaper. Many Russian companies increased their production and replaced the EU losers. They make computers , phones, agricultural products and lots of other things.

We have to kill the bandits that surround the Alewite regions and Damascus first. And those are not the DAESH. Yet we destroyed DAESH much more than the US coalition. In the weeks to come great part of the gangs near Aleppo will be surrounded and murdered and the Turkish border will be closed. Then I hope troops will be sent to the south of Damascus and Palmira. Only after that DAESH will be destroyed in coalition with the Kurds.

So despite the “hunger pains” parallel to buying the biggest amounts of the gold (187 tons in November) we do the job and there’s not a single front where the Yankees you suck succeeded. And your permanent mantras that Russia will betray Serbia shows that Sqiptars are in despair and panic. Seek peace with the Serbs before we are back to the Balkans or we shall add you to the sexual minorities.

You are delusional if you think any international body will ever take you seriously on your own. Here is the deal : Kosovo as a stand alone entity will not will not happen. You are too unstable as evidenced by your recent actions in parliment and elsewhere. The southern Serbian province will partitioned between Serbia and Albania. Obviously the area where Serbs are in majority will go to Serbia and the rest to Albania however Serbia will have complete access to areas where Serbs are in the minority
I am sure the Albanian government will do whatever is necessary to keep you under control

maybe Texas, California , new MEXICO should separate because the people do want it.....then normalization could happen.....Mexican lands and no those western whites ......

BBB = Bye Bye Bosnia

US Ambassador to Serbia Mr.Michael Kirby comparing Kosovo with East Germany in respect to UN membership is totally off the wall.As a result of World War 2 Germany was defeated Nation divided by Allies.Both East and West Germany joined UN because UNSC agreed to it.US led West, by force, is trying create new State out of the Serbian Province KOSMET.Mr Ambassador in all due respect there is a resolution 1244 which explicitly guarantee territorial integrity of Serbia ,so you would have to modify that resolution to create legally new State.Since US has "GOOD RELATIONS"with both Russia and China that should not be a problem.Trying to coerce Serbia's leadership to recognize Kosovo state is futile exercise.

You had to be so stupid and ignorant to bring up the two Germany's. Kosovo does not claim to be the real Serbia but an independent nation from Serbia. Serbs agree with 63% saying Kosovo is an independent nation according to b92 and ipsos polls but not the real Serbia. There is no reason to bring this up when dacic said he would have no problems with Kosovo in UN but not because of two Germany's but just for normalization and settlement.

I see Brian is here once again to provide made up information he repeatedly uses even though he offers so source for these numbers and "facts" he comes up with. Her must have gotten that 63% statistic from the B92 surveys that are always flooded with Albanians voting and revoting and thinks that's the voice of the Serbian people. Oh Brian, you are, if anything, hilarious in the stuff you and only you believe.

Putin doesn't look worried
(sasa.p, 26 December 2015 00:56)

Of course... He will not have problems to feed himself or his family, unlike the ordinary Russians when Russia's reserves run out.
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and EU will need Russia ( oil,and gas)
(sasa.p, 26 December 2015 00:56)

Well, Russia will also need the EU payments for the oil/gas to eat. It's not that Russia is giving the oil and gas to the EU because it loves the EU lol Russia is selling its oil/gas to the EU because it needs the EU money. Unfortunately, the human body has not adapted yet to a diet of oil and gas which would have been great for Russia lol

Sasa.P

Thanks for the offer but no thank you.

Time is our friend. We are slowly building a country and maybe this year or next year, we will have our own army. What do you think why serbia is engaging in Negotiations with Prishtina? Becasue they know Kosova is lost and all they can do now, is try to protect Serbs as good as they can for what is coming. I understand and respect that.

Just ask your self one thing. Who is serbia talking too and with who are they trying to make international binding agreements? These are not autonomie talks this is a We-lost-kosova-anyway-and-we-have-to-make-sure-to-protect-our-people-who-would-still-have-to-live-there talk.

Your Government already signed a Contract that can only be implemented if the Constitution of Kosova is not violated. The constituion of Serbia is not even mentioned in that contract because its irrelevant for domestic affairs of Kosova.

You see, we are already living without Belgrade and Serbia and you know what? Its sweet as pie. Now excuse me while I enjoy my freedom.

You missed the point Bilbao,conveniently. Kosovo is part of the territory of Serbia (and was of Yugoslavia) and as such Serbs and other groups living there in Serbia should be able to vote in the type of referendum you are purporting to describe. Of course you don't like that idea because if all people were asked to vote the outcome is obvious,and in this case would result in the territorial integrity of Serbia being maintained. Partition would only be a possiblity if the Albanian majority in Kosovo had it's own mini referendum disregarding Kosovo's legal status as part of Serbia.It's a sad indictment on the US and EU that if such a referendum,like yours, were to be proposed there we'd never hear the last of it but they support it externally if it's in their interests.They didn't object when Yugoslavia was dismantled in the fashion your describing either when I bet my bottom dollar if all citizens of Yugoslavia had been asked about the break-up it would never have happened and that majority,knowing what they know now, would be even greater.Look what happened when the Confederate States of America tried to secede from the Union after your version of a referendum,civil war, and now they all live in peace,the minority,having been forced to reject isolationism and thankfully slavery. What's your problem???

The side against Kosovo as an independent state is getting quite strong.
(Raisin Scone, 27 December 2015 12:14)

Sure, in your head :) However, in the real world though just last month Kosovo's supporters outnumbered the other side by almost 2 to 1 during the UNESCO membership voting. Just a note in case you are not aware: in normal math 1 is smaller than 2 - not sure though if that is the math that is taught in Serbia!
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Plus, not even the so called supporters of Kosovo as an independent state are that supportive. Just look at the failure of the EU to grant visa free travel to Kosovo.
(Raisin Scone, 27 December 2015 12:14)

Well, Kosovo has been working only for a few years to get the visa free travel. It took most most Western Balkans countries, Serbia included, two decades to get the visa free travel. If Kosovo does not get it by around 2030, you might have a point lol
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So, this isn't a good time for Kosovo.
(Raisin Scone, 27 December 2015 12:14)

Well, for Kosovo is less worse than being under Serbia's control - everything is relative. So not sure what your point or alternative is?!

Adrian: How many cuckoos live in your land? Mr Kirby probably lives next door to Adrian if he thinks that UN membership of Kosovo would not constitute recognition not just by Serbia, but by all those yet to recognise it. 'Normalisation' is a flexible word used by everyone to mean something different. Serbs take it to mean that they will tolerate Kosovo through gritted teeth in order to join the EU, most others take it to mean back door recognition.

If you dont understand the importance of GPD as a KPI for a market and If you talk only about export and not import or investments, you are not allowed to sit at the grown up table anyway.

I like how you keep calling names and making statements without any kind of source. It sais a lot about you.

Here anybody can see how Erdogan and his wife cried when they listened a beautiful poem during their recent visit in Albania https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i2NCAwmZBc
Hej you pride of the Muslim world, our president our leader Rexhep Taip Erdogan, etc, etc...

I forgot to mention in my previous post the contribution of the UK ambassador in Albania. Michael and Donald are the first gay newlyweds whose marriage was celebrated in the UK embassy in Tirana in May 2015. The first gay couple got married in Tirana says this article here http://www.panorama.com.al/martohet-cifti-i-pare-gay-ne-tirane-ja-kush-ishte-i-ftuar/ Now the audience needs to understand what this mean for a very patriarchal country like Albania where gay people are treated very badly and often beaten. In Kosova they have been often beaten as well and the UK embassy is emancipating our society to be open minded and open for inputs. So just to make a little bit of fun here, not only the sun rises at the west for us (as croat ambassador said)but he is proudly gay :) peace & love

B92 hired ipsos to do a poll of Serbia and that found 63% recognize Kosovo as independent. Ipsos is a prestigious polling firm that is known all over the world. It would be so dumb to go with an online survey. I don't even look at them!