Kosovo dialogue to resume after holidays - report

The only way for Kosovo is joining Albania and not waste time and energy with negotiations that help only serbs.
(Teodor Muzaka 1389, 21 December 2015 13:22)

And your solution is to waste even more time and energy pursuing that? LOL
(Balkan Anthropologist, 21 December 2015 16:07

My solution is simple.
Join Albania and they dont have to waste time and energy on recognisions, joining UN,NATO,EU,FIFA,UEFA,UNESCO etc because Albania is alreayd there or joining soon EU.
Serbia's behavior is pushing K-Alb toward Albania too.

I dont know what kind of negotiations K-Alb have to conduct with serbs after what they did with UNESCO vote.
Personally I was an advocate of negotiations with serbs because I thought they will led in recognition of Kosovo by Serbia, but now I can see that K-Alb have nothing to gain by these negotiations.
Isa Mustafa is a traitor and he will be considered as traitor by albanians.
The only way for Kosovo is joining Albania and not waste time and energy with negotiations that help only serbs.

In 20 years with all the support, Kosovo could have reached a lot better status than it has now. And it's the fault of the ruling criminals, combined with the attitude and clan structures.
(Comm. Parrisson, 21 December 2015 19:14)

Assuming that is true, it is still less worse then being under ruling Serbian criminals combined with the Serbia's attitude and Serbia's clan structures.

Which means both sides will be lied by their own governments.

"...but this donor-sponsored protectorate..." is this meant to be as some sort of dig? Serbia is an independent state and relies on outsiders for its existence. Greece has received more dosh from EU coffers than Kosovo has done. I mean, an entity that has only emerged from war not even 20 years ago would be expected not to rely on itself, states that have been in existence for 200 years is another matter entirely

You think that the EU will allow Kosovo to join with Albania? Think it through before answering. Its not a simple as it appears to you.
(sj, 22 December 2015 08:33)

I totally agree. The only doubt I have is what will the EU do if Kosovo and Albania were to remove border guards and customs officers, if they were to approve identical laws, etc etc, practically becoming one country. Will the EU (which according to the CE of B92 forums sj has collapsed and run out of cash) send its own border guards and police to separate Kosovo and Albania? In other words, just curious how will the EU do that in practice with actions, not just words... Or perhaps,Serbia just needs the words, as usual :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Kosovo diologue to resume after the Holidays, which holidays the Roman Catholic or the Christian Eastern Orthodox?

You think that the EU will allow Kosovo to join with Albania? Think it through before answering. Its not a simple as it appears to you.
(sj, 22 December 2015 08:33)

I think its only solution for the region Kosovo join Albania, RS join Serbia, Not sure what will happen to Macedonia!

This is injustice on last century this could be a solution, however we might just have to learn to coexist!!!

"Personally I was an advocate of negotiations with serbs because I thought they will led in recognition of Kosovo by Serbia, but now I can see that K-Alb have nothing to gain by these negotiations."
(Teodor Muzaka 1389, 21 December 2015 13:22)

Yes, they might have nothing to gain, but this donor-sponsored protectorate called Kosovo has a lot to lose if extremists start fighting the state again and nationalists refuse to implement the multi-ethnic state designed by and given to K-Albs by the western powers.

The only way for Kosovo is joining Albania and not waste time and energy with negotiations that help only serbs.
(Teodor Muzaka 1389, 21 December 2015 13:22)

And your solution is to waste even more time and energy pursuing that? LOL

My solution is simple.
(Teodor Muzaka 1389, 21 December 2015 16:43)

Your solution is not going to happen.

By the same token, since you have a habit of bashing anything Kosovan left right and center, Serbia should have done more in 200 years of existence than where it is right now. Certainly should have done enough not to be another independent state thar relies on others for its survival. Kosovo's statehood is not eveen consolidated yet, so if we're in the business of bashing those as of yet-unfully-formed-states for being donor relient, we have to criticise fully consolidated states with far more vigour for being in the same page, you know states like Serbia. P.s. only a moron would compare Germany post war and Kosovo post war

I have the chain of the titles with me and I can prove that the monastery of Decani was built on Albanian land. I can send a copy to B92 if they want.

"I mean, an entity that has only emerged from war not even 20 years ago would be expected not to rely on itself, states that have been in existence for 200 years is another matter entirely"
(Nikolle, 21 December 2015 17:16)

Oh no, not again. In 20 years with all the support, Kosovo could have reached a lot better status than it has now. And it's the fault of the ruling criminals, combined with the attitude and clan structures.

If you wanna look back, look what (western) Germany, with heavy support (Marshall plan) reached from '45- '65 after WW2 - which has been a war of another kind of 'quality', i.e. there were a dozen more Germans killed in one single bombing night in one single town than during the whole Kosovo war.

P.S: Sure, Greece got a lot more EU support, but is an EU member, and it has a lot of similar problems with corruption, patronage and lack of state structures. Greece surely shouldn't be a blue print for Kosovo. Better look at Slovenia, or Slovakia.

If the shabby Albanian government in Kosovo breaks down under the pressure of Albanian territorial expansion, all foreign support for Albanians in Kosovo is through. And I mean especially Bondsteel.

Albania is a NATO member. What will it mean for NATO if a NATO member moves on a military base under US jurisdiction outside of its borders in order to expand its borders, seizing both that territory and its base.

Turkey is enough of a problem, this would break NATO.

The only doubt I have is what will the EU do if Kosovo and Albania were to remove border guards and customs officers, if they were to approve identical laws, etc etc, practically becoming one country.
(icj1, 22 December 2015 14:30)

I will tell you what they will do Albanian Idiot, funding from the IMF will freeze and other financial institutions and Albania will be forced out of most international organizations just like it's Albanian cousins in Kosovo. Northern Cyprus comes to mind if you want a present day example.

Why don't you join Kurti's party and continue to push for it. I would love to see what happens to the Albanian Turkish Gypsy clans. Maybe you can finally go back to your homeland in Azerbaijan and Kurdestan.

To Mark Gjoni,
That is a lie,that you can probe the Monastery was built on Albanian's land.
In the 1300's Albanian or Shiptars Clan where living with the Kurd Clan in Adana state Turkey. 1600's Turk's had Shiptars brought over with their white caps that Kurd's wear as well,as their Spies and to watch out for invasion from Bari (Italy).That's how they end up in Tirana, in the 1600's as spyies and slave's. That why their is no Shiptars religious heritage, its either Serb,Italian Turkish,or Greek.

The only doubt I have is what will the EU do if Kosovo and Albania were to remove border guards and customs officers, if they were to approve identical laws, etc etc, practically becoming one country.
(icj1, 22 December 2015 14:30)

I will tell you what they will do Albanian Idiot, funding from the IMF will freeze and other financial institutions and Albania will be forced out of most international organizations just like it's Albanian cousins in Kosovo. Northern Cyprus comes to mind if you want a present day example.
(Jugoslavija, 22 December 2015 18:24)

Did it take to much brain power to write the idiocy above because it is pretty elaborated lol

My solution is simple.
Join Albania and they dont have to waste time and energy on recognisions, joining UN,NATO,EU,FIFA,UEFA,UNESCO etc because Albania is alreayd there or joining soon EU.
Serbia's behavior is pushing K-Alb toward Albania too.
(Teodor Muzaka 1389, 21 December 2015 16:43)

You think that the EU will allow Kosovo to join with Albania? Think it through before answering. Its not a simple as it appears to you.

teodor,
your solution is nothing new here buddy, and not yours at all.
personally I would like to see that attempted sooner rather than later as well.
what do u think would happen eh? do u think nato will help, when there's a risk of WW3 happening, I doubt it. what maybe the kla terrorists will help and win, I doubt that too. u guys got one ass kicking already till America intervened while yeltsin was in power. do u think u will have popular world support? doubt that too, people in the world are seeing it now, allthe lies and propaganda.
so yeah, please try take a nations sovereign territory to link it up with another country...see how that works out.

I dont know what kind of negotiations K-Alb have to conduct with serbs after what they did with UNESCO vote.
Personally I was an advocate of negotiations with serbs because I thought they will led in recognition of Kosovo by Serbia, but now I can see that K-Alb have nothing to gain by these negotiations.
Isa Mustafa is a traitor and he will be considered as traitor by albanians.
The only way for Kosovo is joining Albania and not waste time and energy with negotiations that help only serbs.

Kosovo diologue to resume after the Holidays, which holidays the Roman Catholic or the Christian Eastern Orthodox?

"Personally I was an advocate of negotiations with serbs because I thought they will led in recognition of Kosovo by Serbia, but now I can see that K-Alb have nothing to gain by these negotiations."
(Teodor Muzaka 1389, 21 December 2015 13:22)

Yes, they might have nothing to gain, but this donor-sponsored protectorate called Kosovo has a lot to lose if extremists start fighting the state again and nationalists refuse to implement the multi-ethnic state designed by and given to K-Albs by the western powers.

The only way for Kosovo is joining Albania and not waste time and energy with negotiations that help only serbs.
(Teodor Muzaka 1389, 21 December 2015 13:22)

And your solution is to waste even more time and energy pursuing that? LOL

My solution is simple.
Join Albania and they dont have to waste time and energy on recognisions, joining UN,NATO,EU,FIFA,UEFA,UNESCO etc because Albania is alreayd there or joining soon EU.
Serbia's behavior is pushing K-Alb toward Albania too.
(Teodor Muzaka 1389, 21 December 2015 16:43)

You think that the EU will allow Kosovo to join with Albania? Think it through before answering. Its not a simple as it appears to you.

"I mean, an entity that has only emerged from war not even 20 years ago would be expected not to rely on itself, states that have been in existence for 200 years is another matter entirely"
(Nikolle, 21 December 2015 17:16)

Oh no, not again. In 20 years with all the support, Kosovo could have reached a lot better status than it has now. And it's the fault of the ruling criminals, combined with the attitude and clan structures.

If you wanna look back, look what (western) Germany, with heavy support (Marshall plan) reached from '45- '65 after WW2 - which has been a war of another kind of 'quality', i.e. there were a dozen more Germans killed in one single bombing night in one single town than during the whole Kosovo war.

P.S: Sure, Greece got a lot more EU support, but is an EU member, and it has a lot of similar problems with corruption, patronage and lack of state structures. Greece surely shouldn't be a blue print for Kosovo. Better look at Slovenia, or Slovakia.

My solution is simple.
(Teodor Muzaka 1389, 21 December 2015 16:43)

Your solution is not going to happen.

Which means both sides will be lied by their own governments.

The only way for Kosovo is joining Albania and not waste time and energy with negotiations that help only serbs.
(Teodor Muzaka 1389, 21 December 2015 13:22)

And your solution is to waste even more time and energy pursuing that? LOL
(Balkan Anthropologist, 21 December 2015 16:07

My solution is simple.
Join Albania and they dont have to waste time and energy on recognisions, joining UN,NATO,EU,FIFA,UEFA,UNESCO etc because Albania is alreayd there or joining soon EU.
Serbia's behavior is pushing K-Alb toward Albania too.

teodor,
your solution is nothing new here buddy, and not yours at all.
personally I would like to see that attempted sooner rather than later as well.
what do u think would happen eh? do u think nato will help, when there's a risk of WW3 happening, I doubt it. what maybe the kla terrorists will help and win, I doubt that too. u guys got one ass kicking already till America intervened while yeltsin was in power. do u think u will have popular world support? doubt that too, people in the world are seeing it now, allthe lies and propaganda.
so yeah, please try take a nations sovereign territory to link it up with another country...see how that works out.

The only doubt I have is what will the EU do if Kosovo and Albania were to remove border guards and customs officers, if they were to approve identical laws, etc etc, practically becoming one country.
(icj1, 22 December 2015 14:30)

I will tell you what they will do Albanian Idiot, funding from the IMF will freeze and other financial institutions and Albania will be forced out of most international organizations just like it's Albanian cousins in Kosovo. Northern Cyprus comes to mind if you want a present day example.

Why don't you join Kurti's party and continue to push for it. I would love to see what happens to the Albanian Turkish Gypsy clans. Maybe you can finally go back to your homeland in Azerbaijan and Kurdestan.

"...but this donor-sponsored protectorate..." is this meant to be as some sort of dig? Serbia is an independent state and relies on outsiders for its existence. Greece has received more dosh from EU coffers than Kosovo has done. I mean, an entity that has only emerged from war not even 20 years ago would be expected not to rely on itself, states that have been in existence for 200 years is another matter entirely

If the shabby Albanian government in Kosovo breaks down under the pressure of Albanian territorial expansion, all foreign support for Albanians in Kosovo is through. And I mean especially Bondsteel.

Albania is a NATO member. What will it mean for NATO if a NATO member moves on a military base under US jurisdiction outside of its borders in order to expand its borders, seizing both that territory and its base.

Turkey is enough of a problem, this would break NATO.

By the same token, since you have a habit of bashing anything Kosovan left right and center, Serbia should have done more in 200 years of existence than where it is right now. Certainly should have done enough not to be another independent state thar relies on others for its survival. Kosovo's statehood is not eveen consolidated yet, so if we're in the business of bashing those as of yet-unfully-formed-states for being donor relient, we have to criticise fully consolidated states with far more vigour for being in the same page, you know states like Serbia. P.s. only a moron would compare Germany post war and Kosovo post war

To Mark Gjoni,
That is a lie,that you can probe the Monastery was built on Albanian's land.
In the 1300's Albanian or Shiptars Clan where living with the Kurd Clan in Adana state Turkey. 1600's Turk's had Shiptars brought over with their white caps that Kurd's wear as well,as their Spies and to watch out for invasion from Bari (Italy).That's how they end up in Tirana, in the 1600's as spyies and slave's. That why their is no Shiptars religious heritage, its either Serb,Italian Turkish,or Greek.

I have the chain of the titles with me and I can prove that the monastery of Decani was built on Albanian land. I can send a copy to B92 if they want.

You think that the EU will allow Kosovo to join with Albania? Think it through before answering. Its not a simple as it appears to you.
(sj, 22 December 2015 08:33)

I think its only solution for the region Kosovo join Albania, RS join Serbia, Not sure what will happen to Macedonia!

This is injustice on last century this could be a solution, however we might just have to learn to coexist!!!

You think that the EU will allow Kosovo to join with Albania? Think it through before answering. Its not a simple as it appears to you.
(sj, 22 December 2015 08:33)

I totally agree. The only doubt I have is what will the EU do if Kosovo and Albania were to remove border guards and customs officers, if they were to approve identical laws, etc etc, practically becoming one country. Will the EU (which according to the CE of B92 forums sj has collapsed and run out of cash) send its own border guards and police to separate Kosovo and Albania? In other words, just curious how will the EU do that in practice with actions, not just words... Or perhaps,Serbia just needs the words, as usual :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

In 20 years with all the support, Kosovo could have reached a lot better status than it has now. And it's the fault of the ruling criminals, combined with the attitude and clan structures.
(Comm. Parrisson, 21 December 2015 19:14)

Assuming that is true, it is still less worse then being under ruling Serbian criminals combined with the Serbia's attitude and Serbia's clan structures.

The only doubt I have is what will the EU do if Kosovo and Albania were to remove border guards and customs officers, if they were to approve identical laws, etc etc, practically becoming one country.
(icj1, 22 December 2015 14:30)

I will tell you what they will do Albanian Idiot, funding from the IMF will freeze and other financial institutions and Albania will be forced out of most international organizations just like it's Albanian cousins in Kosovo. Northern Cyprus comes to mind if you want a present day example.
(Jugoslavija, 22 December 2015 18:24)

Did it take to much brain power to write the idiocy above because it is pretty elaborated lol