Kosovo Office chief comments on platform for chapter 35

All these comments from Serbs are reminiscent of a time when they used to think that Kosovo would never declare independence and it would not be supported by anyone. We all know how that turned out. Time is on Kosovo's side.

@Sasa

You sound so desperate for anyone or anything, that says serbia doesn't have to recognize Kosova. If normalization means to treat each other as separate countries, is there a need for Kosova to be recognized by Serbia? Serbia will now be forced more that ever not to interfere with Kosova, on international stage, 6 years is more than enough to keep serbia on good behavior, by the end of the EU process, there will be nothing left but for Serbia to recognize Kosova. We know for a fact Germany doesn't like Serbia, they are letting you in EU, because you have been begging EU. Keep in mind, Serbian officials are well aware of the conditions Germany has for Serbia, as time goes on, Serbia will either accept all the conditions, or drop out.

I always stated that if Cyprus can function and be accepted, then why not Serbia.That is the question that I ask,why one rule for one country Cyprus and another for Serbia,I ask the Albanian's and Croatian's ,because it's same circumstances there.
(sasa.p, 15 December 2015 11:13)

Sure but how many EU countries except North Cypress = 0 out of 28; how many Kosovo 23 out of 28 see the difference majority rules in EU and when 2/3 say something it wins.

EU has special rules and let's see end of nego how it will look like

I here no sounds of Albanian and Croatian keyboards, to Chapter 35 after the last 6 months of Serbia must recognise Kosovo as a Independent Country,stated million and one times by the Albanian's and Croatian's.
I always stated that if Cyprus can function and be accepted, then why not Serbia.That is the question that I ask,why one rule for one country Cyprus and another for Serbia,I ask the Albanian's and Croatian's ,because it's same circumstances there.

sasa.p

I dont know if you can compare Cyprus with Kosovo. I always find it hard to compare different countries in different situations. I guess its not relevant anyway and only leads to abstract hypothetical arguing.

As for your other statement. Here is my take on chapter 35. Many countries are independent without formal recognition of former occupying forces.

I`m more then content with chapter 35 as it allows Serbia to recognise Kosovo without loosing its face. You get the chance to get out of this mess with dignity. If everything mentioned in chapter 35 gets implemented as it stands, there is no need for a formal recognition. I personally dont care what Serbia has in their constitution. Paper is patient.

As for right now, I`m happy with the developement because chapter 35 not only forces Serbia for huge reforms, it also serves justice. Only thing left, as cherry on top, is to dismiss ZSO.

Penny for your thoughts?

@SJ, Sasa

You both are acting is if Serbia had already entered EU, it's just the beginning. Did you not read the clues Duric gave you guys? Difficulties lie ahead, of course they do. One way or another Serbia will remove Kosova from her constitution, but we have at least 6 years to see how this plays out. You guys are are way over your head. It's only the beginning loL, calm down and we will see.

What happened Serbia is going to Join EU with out Kosovo, I thought Serbian Government was telling Serbs for few Years Kosovo is Part of Serbia I gees that's was a Big Lie to Serbs, Hopefully Serbs learn this hard way there own Government Lie to them and Kosovo is Not part of Serbia

So in other words, nothing we haven't heard before. Chapter 35 basically is the price Serbia pays for not recognizing Kosovo, which implies they need to play nice and stay in the EU's good graces. No doubt Pristina will make every attempt to derail the process because that's all they can do in the hope it gets Serbia to react accordingly. Still, even if the Brussels Agreement is frequently scuttled by Albanians, it's clear that the EU can't punish Serbia for something someone else does.

And of course to those who gloat that Serbia is heading towards the EU without Kosovo, I say who cares since Kosovo has no chance of getting into the EU on its own, so whatever arrangements are implemented from the Brussels Agreement via Belgrade will benefit those parts of ZSO while the rest of Kosovo sits in the mud (but hey, according to some Albanians here, you'd rather sit in the mud with your pride than be carried along by Serbia, so we're all winners).

Because without a formal requirement of recognition, Kosovo isn't going anywhere.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 15 December 2015 15:55) # Comment link

Simple question for you: " Does Greek and Turkish Cypriot have foreign embassies?", since there cannot be two embassies in same country!!!
Serbia has its own foreign embassies, as well as Kosova. Can you explain this phenomena to all of us? I rest my case with you nonbelievers of real world.

Over the years all you would hear from the Albanians and Croats is that unless Serbia recognises Kosovo there will be no entry to the EU and yet Serbia got free movement in the EU, signed many agreements and so on and so forth. Little do these people realise that the west will wash their hands of Albanians and allow Serbia to join the EU. Just watch how Pristina will have to allow the formation of Serbian councils.
As I have quoted an Arab diplomat many times before, you don’t know which is worse, to be an ally or enemy of the west. I know that at least as an enemy you know where you stand and expect to be backstabbed.

So in other words, nothing we haven't heard before. Chapter 35 basically is the price Serbia pays for not recognizing Kosovo, which implies they need to play nice and stay in the EU's good graces. No doubt Pristina will make every attempt to derail the process because that's all they can do in the hope it gets Serbia to react accordingly. Still, even if the Brussels Agreement is frequently scuttled by Albanians, it's clear that the EU can't punish Serbia for something someone else does.

And of course to those who gloat that Serbia is heading towards the EU without Kosovo, I say who cares since Kosovo has no chance of getting into the EU on its own, so whatever arrangements are implemented from the Brussels Agreement via Belgrade will benefit those parts of ZSO while the rest of Kosovo sits in the mud (but hey, according to some Albanians here, you'd rather sit in the mud with your pride than be carried along by Serbia, so we're all winners).

Because without a formal requirement of recognition, Kosovo isn't going anywhere.

Does Greek and Turkish Cypriot have foreign embassies?", since there cannot be two embassies in same country!!!
Serbia has its own foreign embassies, as well as Kosova. Can you explain this phenomena to all of us? I rest my case with you nonbelievers of real world.
(the truth, 15 December 2015 18:19)

Sure there's an embassy in Northern Cyprus. The Turkish embassy which recognizes its independence and yet no one else does. Kosovo has a few embassies around the world. Serbia has a lot more. That's normal for a disputed territory. Russia has embassies in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Your point?

To Albanian's,
I have not stated that Serbia has join the EU,only that IF Serbia WHISH to join, either will be 1 country like,in United Nation but with 2 entities like Cyprus.
Many countries have join EU with more than 1 entity, like Spain,Britain, Cyprus with all having different conditions. If it doesn't Suit Serbia then they will not join by say 2020's.
Investor's will still keep coming until then,while South of Serbia ( Pristina) will be stuck in quick sand,and the citizens will suffer.I don't care ,because I don't live in Pristina!ha,ha.
(sasa.p, 15 December 2015 15:52)

With time the EU will have a completely different package of chapters for the Republic Of Kosova's entry into the EU at a different time period! Had the EU given & required Kosova to open chapters at the same time as Serbia is doing I would fully agree with you, as it would have required both if your supposed entity's to come into a balanced line, however only the state of Serbia has been awarded with the opening of chapters, Kosova only a few weeks ago just signed the stabilization agreement, a huge & significant spread in timelines!
Bottom line......There is no way in hell that Kosova will be part of Serbia & Serbia's EU membership, this I promise you! So please, go right ahead and keep running around the bush and making fools out of yourselves as much as you like, it really amuses me!!!

in its UN recognised province
(Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Serbia, 15 December 2015 14:36)

I have no idea what the above means, but just a reminder that according to Serbia, for the UN Kosovo is neither a province of Serbia, nor an independent country, because the UN is status neutral, always according to Serbia...

This is the European way and shows clearly that Serbia needs to show how much and who it sends money, it must abolish its institutions and close alternative routes, open all official points. Its normal not to say you must accept Kosovo as a country but all the steps and sign a legal binding document. This does nto mean that things from negotiations are not added and what that legally binding document means no one knows will find out in 2022 or 23

If it said that it must accept Kosovo there will be no more smoke and mirror for serbian politicians. Serbia needs to close all other institutions for Kosovo in Serbia

I have to agree with all who say that the completion of chapter 35 is tantamount to treating Serbia's citizens in its UN recognised province as citizens of this fictitious "Kosova" - it is very very clear that to implement it fully is implicitly making Serbia treat all people in its southern province as "Kosovarians"!

Vucic can not implement this so why accept its opening?

To Albanian's,
I have not stated that Serbia has join the EU,only that IF Serbia WHISH to join, either will be 1 country like,in United Nation but with 2 entities like Cyprus.
Many countries have join EU with more than 1 entity, like Spain,Britain, Cyprus with all having different conditions. If it doesn't Suit Serbia then they will not join by say 2020's.
Investor's will still keep coming until then,while South of Serbia ( Pristina) will be stuck in quick sand,and the citizens will suffer.I don't care ,because I don't live in Pristina!ha,ha.

The writing is on paper, black and white.No need to have Kosovo as an independent country, it states it need's dialogue ,like in Spain (Catalonia, etc) ,Romania ( ethnic Hungarians), Cyprus ( Greeks,Turks),Britain ( Wales,Scotland, Northern Ireland) etc.All this countries have dialogue with their region's that have independence and their own parliament's,with police ,etc.
Their seems to be no special Rules for South of Serbia.
Then if their is special rules ,incited, then their will be no need to join EU say 2020 or so.
I can feel the rage coming south of Serbia,P's I don't care as I don't live in NATO Paradise. Let them stay stuck in mud as investor's keep arriving in Belgrade.!

Serbia will now be forced more that ever not to interfere with Kosova, on international stage, 6 years is more than enough to keep serbia on good behavior, by the end of the EU process, there will be nothing left but for Serbia to recognize Kosova. We know for a fact Germany doesn't like Serbia, they are letting you in EU, because you have been begging EU. Keep in mind, Serbian officials are well aware of the conditions Germany has for Serbia, as time goes on, Serbia will either accept all the conditions, or drop out.

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Serbia doesn't have to interfere with Kosovo.

Kosovo does not have the economic means to raise itself into the EU nor does it have the means to provide a viable future for its people. These are the bare requirements of entry.

The only thing Serbia needs to do is keep attracting investors and keep building its transportation network. A marketplace of 75 million people is only a day's drive away. It doesn't matter even what Germany thinks. Business is business. Business opportunity will determine Serbia's entry, not Germany.

As for disputes, they will continue and not go away. Disputes are not interference, they are only disputes

PS: There will be no NATO in Serbia. Nor is it a requirement. Go send your own kids to die in the Middle East and who knows where else.

If Tadic was PM when this happened what would Vucic say about it?

It's interesting stuff when you read the platform not sure what's the score for this man now, he is trying to spin it.

"Item 1: Normalisation of relations between Serbia and Kosovo* " --> what does it mean Item 1 how many more will there be ..... and will how are they added? It's clear Serbia's EU future is connected to Kosovo not sure what is he talking about somewhat: This is no Cypres as no EU country has accepted Northern Cypress big difference no!!!!

The border part to me and informing about payment and pension's shows truth, this is what you do with countries not your province you inform of pension payments I think Swiss has some agreement Germany etc with Serbia as well on same principles.

(Albanian, 15 December 2015 14:07)

Not at all. I am hoping Serbia never enters the EU because there is nothing there for them. Ask people that live in Hungary, Romania or Poland and see what they think about the EU. Poland has not made any significant strides after joining the EU. In fact they could have achieved the same outside that group.
Recently the Polish PM was quoted as saying that Poland could not take any refugees since it had over 2 million of its citizens working or looking for work outside their country as the jobs at home are very few.
In fact if you look at a map of Europe you will see that the EU needs Serbia more than the other way around. It’s the shortest route from the west to the east. There is place called Jagodina in Serbia where every army since the first crusaders had to pass if they wanted to go to the east.
Politicians always talk about tough times ahead. These guys are paid to sing the praises of the EU.
The EU has already screwed the Albanians in Kosovo with the Brussels Agreement.

I here no sounds of Albanian and Croatian keyboards, to Chapter 35 after the last 6 months of Serbia must recognise Kosovo as a Independent Country,stated million and one times by the Albanian's and Croatian's.
I always stated that if Cyprus can function and be accepted, then why not Serbia.That is the question that I ask,why one rule for one country Cyprus and another for Serbia,I ask the Albanian's and Croatian's ,because it's same circumstances there.

To Albanian's,
I have not stated that Serbia has join the EU,only that IF Serbia WHISH to join, either will be 1 country like,in United Nation but with 2 entities like Cyprus.
Many countries have join EU with more than 1 entity, like Spain,Britain, Cyprus with all having different conditions. If it doesn't Suit Serbia then they will not join by say 2020's.
Investor's will still keep coming until then,while South of Serbia ( Pristina) will be stuck in quick sand,and the citizens will suffer.I don't care ,because I don't live in Pristina!ha,ha.

Over the years all you would hear from the Albanians and Croats is that unless Serbia recognises Kosovo there will be no entry to the EU and yet Serbia got free movement in the EU, signed many agreements and so on and so forth. Little do these people realise that the west will wash their hands of Albanians and allow Serbia to join the EU. Just watch how Pristina will have to allow the formation of Serbian councils.
As I have quoted an Arab diplomat many times before, you don’t know which is worse, to be an ally or enemy of the west. I know that at least as an enemy you know where you stand and expect to be backstabbed.

To Albanian's,
I have not stated that Serbia has join the EU,only that IF Serbia WHISH to join, either will be 1 country like,in United Nation but with 2 entities like Cyprus.
Many countries have join EU with more than 1 entity, like Spain,Britain, Cyprus with all having different conditions. If it doesn't Suit Serbia then they will not join by say 2020's.
Investor's will still keep coming until then,while South of Serbia ( Pristina) will be stuck in quick sand,and the citizens will suffer.I don't care ,because I don't live in Pristina!ha,ha.
(sasa.p, 15 December 2015 15:52)

With time the EU will have a completely different package of chapters for the Republic Of Kosova's entry into the EU at a different time period! Had the EU given & required Kosova to open chapters at the same time as Serbia is doing I would fully agree with you, as it would have required both if your supposed entity's to come into a balanced line, however only the state of Serbia has been awarded with the opening of chapters, Kosova only a few weeks ago just signed the stabilization agreement, a huge & significant spread in timelines!
Bottom line......There is no way in hell that Kosova will be part of Serbia & Serbia's EU membership, this I promise you! So please, go right ahead and keep running around the bush and making fools out of yourselves as much as you like, it really amuses me!!!

The writing is on paper, black and white.No need to have Kosovo as an independent country, it states it need's dialogue ,like in Spain (Catalonia, etc) ,Romania ( ethnic Hungarians), Cyprus ( Greeks,Turks),Britain ( Wales,Scotland, Northern Ireland) etc.All this countries have dialogue with their region's that have independence and their own parliament's,with police ,etc.
Their seems to be no special Rules for South of Serbia.
Then if their is special rules ,incited, then their will be no need to join EU say 2020 or so.
I can feel the rage coming south of Serbia,P's I don't care as I don't live in NATO Paradise. Let them stay stuck in mud as investor's keep arriving in Belgrade.!

So in other words, nothing we haven't heard before. Chapter 35 basically is the price Serbia pays for not recognizing Kosovo, which implies they need to play nice and stay in the EU's good graces. No doubt Pristina will make every attempt to derail the process because that's all they can do in the hope it gets Serbia to react accordingly. Still, even if the Brussels Agreement is frequently scuttled by Albanians, it's clear that the EU can't punish Serbia for something someone else does.

And of course to those who gloat that Serbia is heading towards the EU without Kosovo, I say who cares since Kosovo has no chance of getting into the EU on its own, so whatever arrangements are implemented from the Brussels Agreement via Belgrade will benefit those parts of ZSO while the rest of Kosovo sits in the mud (but hey, according to some Albanians here, you'd rather sit in the mud with your pride than be carried along by Serbia, so we're all winners).

Because without a formal requirement of recognition, Kosovo isn't going anywhere.

Does Greek and Turkish Cypriot have foreign embassies?", since there cannot be two embassies in same country!!!
Serbia has its own foreign embassies, as well as Kosova. Can you explain this phenomena to all of us? I rest my case with you nonbelievers of real world.
(the truth, 15 December 2015 18:19)

Sure there's an embassy in Northern Cyprus. The Turkish embassy which recognizes its independence and yet no one else does. Kosovo has a few embassies around the world. Serbia has a lot more. That's normal for a disputed territory. Russia has embassies in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Your point?

sasa.p

I dont know if you can compare Cyprus with Kosovo. I always find it hard to compare different countries in different situations. I guess its not relevant anyway and only leads to abstract hypothetical arguing.

As for your other statement. Here is my take on chapter 35. Many countries are independent without formal recognition of former occupying forces.

I`m more then content with chapter 35 as it allows Serbia to recognise Kosovo without loosing its face. You get the chance to get out of this mess with dignity. If everything mentioned in chapter 35 gets implemented as it stands, there is no need for a formal recognition. I personally dont care what Serbia has in their constitution. Paper is patient.

As for right now, I`m happy with the developement because chapter 35 not only forces Serbia for huge reforms, it also serves justice. Only thing left, as cherry on top, is to dismiss ZSO.

Penny for your thoughts?

So in other words, nothing we haven't heard before. Chapter 35 basically is the price Serbia pays for not recognizing Kosovo, which implies they need to play nice and stay in the EU's good graces. No doubt Pristina will make every attempt to derail the process because that's all they can do in the hope it gets Serbia to react accordingly. Still, even if the Brussels Agreement is frequently scuttled by Albanians, it's clear that the EU can't punish Serbia for something someone else does.

And of course to those who gloat that Serbia is heading towards the EU without Kosovo, I say who cares since Kosovo has no chance of getting into the EU on its own, so whatever arrangements are implemented from the Brussels Agreement via Belgrade will benefit those parts of ZSO while the rest of Kosovo sits in the mud (but hey, according to some Albanians here, you'd rather sit in the mud with your pride than be carried along by Serbia, so we're all winners).

Because without a formal requirement of recognition, Kosovo isn't going anywhere.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 15 December 2015 15:55) # Comment link

Simple question for you: " Does Greek and Turkish Cypriot have foreign embassies?", since there cannot be two embassies in same country!!!
Serbia has its own foreign embassies, as well as Kosova. Can you explain this phenomena to all of us? I rest my case with you nonbelievers of real world.

@SJ, Sasa

You both are acting is if Serbia had already entered EU, it's just the beginning. Did you not read the clues Duric gave you guys? Difficulties lie ahead, of course they do. One way or another Serbia will remove Kosova from her constitution, but we have at least 6 years to see how this plays out. You guys are are way over your head. It's only the beginning loL, calm down and we will see.

What happened Serbia is going to Join EU with out Kosovo, I thought Serbian Government was telling Serbs for few Years Kosovo is Part of Serbia I gees that's was a Big Lie to Serbs, Hopefully Serbs learn this hard way there own Government Lie to them and Kosovo is Not part of Serbia

Serbia will now be forced more that ever not to interfere with Kosova, on international stage, 6 years is more than enough to keep serbia on good behavior, by the end of the EU process, there will be nothing left but for Serbia to recognize Kosova. We know for a fact Germany doesn't like Serbia, they are letting you in EU, because you have been begging EU. Keep in mind, Serbian officials are well aware of the conditions Germany has for Serbia, as time goes on, Serbia will either accept all the conditions, or drop out.

-----

Serbia doesn't have to interfere with Kosovo.

Kosovo does not have the economic means to raise itself into the EU nor does it have the means to provide a viable future for its people. These are the bare requirements of entry.

The only thing Serbia needs to do is keep attracting investors and keep building its transportation network. A marketplace of 75 million people is only a day's drive away. It doesn't matter even what Germany thinks. Business is business. Business opportunity will determine Serbia's entry, not Germany.

As for disputes, they will continue and not go away. Disputes are not interference, they are only disputes

PS: There will be no NATO in Serbia. Nor is it a requirement. Go send your own kids to die in the Middle East and who knows where else.

(Albanian, 15 December 2015 14:07)

Not at all. I am hoping Serbia never enters the EU because there is nothing there for them. Ask people that live in Hungary, Romania or Poland and see what they think about the EU. Poland has not made any significant strides after joining the EU. In fact they could have achieved the same outside that group.
Recently the Polish PM was quoted as saying that Poland could not take any refugees since it had over 2 million of its citizens working or looking for work outside their country as the jobs at home are very few.
In fact if you look at a map of Europe you will see that the EU needs Serbia more than the other way around. It’s the shortest route from the west to the east. There is place called Jagodina in Serbia where every army since the first crusaders had to pass if they wanted to go to the east.
Politicians always talk about tough times ahead. These guys are paid to sing the praises of the EU.
The EU has already screwed the Albanians in Kosovo with the Brussels Agreement.

I always stated that if Cyprus can function and be accepted, then why not Serbia.That is the question that I ask,why one rule for one country Cyprus and another for Serbia,I ask the Albanian's and Croatian's ,because it's same circumstances there.
(sasa.p, 15 December 2015 11:13)

Sure but how many EU countries except North Cypress = 0 out of 28; how many Kosovo 23 out of 28 see the difference majority rules in EU and when 2/3 say something it wins.

EU has special rules and let's see end of nego how it will look like

I have to agree with all who say that the completion of chapter 35 is tantamount to treating Serbia's citizens in its UN recognised province as citizens of this fictitious "Kosova" - it is very very clear that to implement it fully is implicitly making Serbia treat all people in its southern province as "Kosovarians"!

Vucic can not implement this so why accept its opening?

This is the European way and shows clearly that Serbia needs to show how much and who it sends money, it must abolish its institutions and close alternative routes, open all official points. Its normal not to say you must accept Kosovo as a country but all the steps and sign a legal binding document. This does nto mean that things from negotiations are not added and what that legally binding document means no one knows will find out in 2022 or 23

If it said that it must accept Kosovo there will be no more smoke and mirror for serbian politicians. Serbia needs to close all other institutions for Kosovo in Serbia

If Tadic was PM when this happened what would Vucic say about it?

It's interesting stuff when you read the platform not sure what's the score for this man now, he is trying to spin it.

"Item 1: Normalisation of relations between Serbia and Kosovo* " --> what does it mean Item 1 how many more will there be ..... and will how are they added? It's clear Serbia's EU future is connected to Kosovo not sure what is he talking about somewhat: This is no Cypres as no EU country has accepted Northern Cypress big difference no!!!!

The border part to me and informing about payment and pension's shows truth, this is what you do with countries not your province you inform of pension payments I think Swiss has some agreement Germany etc with Serbia as well on same principles.

@Sasa

You sound so desperate for anyone or anything, that says serbia doesn't have to recognize Kosova. If normalization means to treat each other as separate countries, is there a need for Kosova to be recognized by Serbia? Serbia will now be forced more that ever not to interfere with Kosova, on international stage, 6 years is more than enough to keep serbia on good behavior, by the end of the EU process, there will be nothing left but for Serbia to recognize Kosova. We know for a fact Germany doesn't like Serbia, they are letting you in EU, because you have been begging EU. Keep in mind, Serbian officials are well aware of the conditions Germany has for Serbia, as time goes on, Serbia will either accept all the conditions, or drop out.

All these comments from Serbs are reminiscent of a time when they used to think that Kosovo would never declare independence and it would not be supported by anyone. We all know how that turned out. Time is on Kosovo's side.

in its UN recognised province
(Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Serbia, 15 December 2015 14:36)

I have no idea what the above means, but just a reminder that according to Serbia, for the UN Kosovo is neither a province of Serbia, nor an independent country, because the UN is status neutral, always according to Serbia...