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Monday, 14.12.2015.

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Tear gas once again fired inside Kosovo assembly

Tear gas has once again been thrown in the hall of the Kosovo assembly in Pristina.

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

"....behavior and attitude of Albanian tribes.." out of curiosity, can you please let me know who these tribes are? I live in Kosovo and have never seen people classified to any tribe and since you seem to know about it, perhaps you can educate me. p.s. its not Albaninas who go on about middle age battles and defeats and seeking to avenge 600 years after. so if you're going to be a smart ass, the least you can do is get your facts in order. tit

Why bother....

pre 8 godina

"Tear gas once again fired inside....."

Come on B92! Words may not make a difference to you, but they should. Where did the "fired inside" come from? Every other report refers to tear gas being "released" or "let off", as does your text. So why add something that wasn't there? Please, just report the news, and let the readers make of it as we wish. Thanks.

Revolution

pre 8 godina

Sara
you don't even have an original indigenous name for that land
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actually, we do. it was called Dardania, since year 87 AD, from the albanian word Dardha.

check the link, check the maps, and educate yourself a little
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardania_(Europe)

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"World is thinking...Albanians acting like animals....again. Where in the World is tear gas used in Parliament?
(Zoran..Sydney Australia, 15 December 2015 08:44)

Tear gas in parliament? I think nowhere. And surely not repeatedly for the third or forth time, like in Kosovo.

The only thing I read about is bout MPs attacking other MPS in the parliament in Russia and Ukraine, and Korea. You can find nice videos on Youtube about these

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"One more thing you should know is that nobody have succeded to rule Albanians or to change our culture. We are still the native people of the Balkans proud and strong.
(Demi, 14 December 2015 21:16)

Ah, native people, which didn't change their culture since the 15th century. Thank you, now I understand a bit more the behavior and attitude of Albanian tribes. But don't you think you should adapt to the 21th century a bit? You know, democracy, rule of law, no more kings, pirates, and tribal leaders? Maybe a good start is reading about French revolution, which took place in the 18th century.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Ya`ll can hate and call names as much as you want. Chapter 35 is opened.

I appreciate your rational approach Watcher and I`m open for discussion. I`m open for protection of minorities. I`m open for protection of orth. church heritage. I`m open for normalization. I think warcrimes needs to be prosecuted on both sides.

However, sovereignty of Republic of Kosovo and territorial integrity are not negotiable.

As for the rest of you. It doesnt matter anymore which monkey climbed down the tree first. It is how it is. Now, excuse me while I enjoy my freedom.

Zoran..Sydney Australia

pre 8 godina

World is thinking...Albanians acting like animals....again. Where in the World is tear gas used in Parliament? Time to grow up Albania world is watching and laughing...why not take some refugees, oh wait most of the refugees after Syria are from Kosovo...Grow up!

kent prince

pre 8 godina

The 7 year olds are behaving violently and immaturely again.
What great democratic values they have. The Americans have taught them well. The tear gas was made where and purchased from whom?C

Sara

pre 8 godina

It's really amazing that as the "indigenous" population from the area of Kosovo(a)- as you Albanians insist you are - you don't even have an original indigenous name for that land? A shortage of words in Albanian language? I don't think so. You don't have and never had a name because you never had a country in that area . KOS is a Serbian-Slavic word for a bird. Kosovo is short for Kosovo Polje: the Field of a Black Bird (English translation) and we all know what Kosovo Polje was so many centuries ago. If this is false , please educate us, tell us what is "your" country's original name in Albanian . And please , no Iliria! You speak Albanian, you are Albanians , you keep telling us. And if you insist that this was your land before we came to the area and that's the reason we have to give it back a have a suggestion : WHY DON'T WE GIVE EVERY THING BACK TO THE NEANDERTHALS, they were the first Europeans anyway .

Donkey Hoxha

pre 8 godina

Vucic calls the biggest shame of Serbia, since it was MUP who shoot them and tried to make it look like KLA did it. Dude you need a reality check.
(Gjon Marku, 14 December 2015 18:56)

And you need to read properly. Vucic didn't call it what you said, or do you have problems reading Serbian? What about all the other unsolved Serbian murders in Kosovo? You blaming that on MUP too? LOL. Try at least to provide a link to back up what you're trying to say, rather than throw some random article my way and then give your own Hoxhafied spin.

Donkey Hoxha

pre 8 godina

We rather stay stuck in mud than under Serb rule.
(Gjon Marku, 14 December 2015 19:19)

LOL says every Albanian living abroad because they don't need to feel the consequences. Where'd your parents migrate to, bro? Germany? The US? Were you even born there or are you another one of those annoying diaspora children all full of patriotic rage but wouldn't know your ass from your elbow if you visited the land as a tourist?

The guy offered to meet you halfway and you still spat in his face and shouted demands. You have no sense of history, you have no regard for balance, and you shout demands out of some pathetic attempt at attention and relevance. And you're trying to prove your *better* than Serbs? LOL

icj1

pre 8 godina

What can you offer to Beograd so that one day, even if its 500 years from now, they don't come and take it?
(Watcher, 14 December 2015 18:30)

Kosovo to give something to Belgrade today in order to avoid Belgrade taking it in 500 years?!!! Why would Kosovo do that when it can enjoy it, at least, until the year 2515 when Belgrade will attempt to take it?!

Sorry dear, but your proposal of giving up something today to not risk losing it in 500 years from now has no logic whatsoever!

Donkey Hoxha

pre 8 godina

You seem to forget one thing. Kosova is not and have never been serbian territory or land. It is and have allways been Albanian land. Once ruled by roman, ottoman, italian and serbian occupation but the land it self belong to the autochthonous people who lives there, the Albanians.
(Demi, 14 December 2015 21:16)

Says who? You? Who cared what Albanians under Hoxha were taught. Albanians didn't inhabit the land until after 1690 when the Sultan moved them in. History tells the truth. Albanians tell lies to compensate for them not having anything to contribute.

Site Fatigue

pre 8 godina

This site appears to be awash with fantasists,historical revisionists and misfits in abundance. Keep the stories flowing you never know repeated often enough they may be believed.We all came from Africa apparently so there are no "indigenous" people in the Balkans. Who arrived first is open to debate and is unlikely to be defined by the word of contributors here whose historical credentials are questionable in the extreme.The Serbian version would appear to be where the clever money is.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Looks like their security is very poor indeed. How can they explain constant attacks? They certainly look very weak and once NATO abandons them it's all over. BTW, its' not a matter of if but when.

Demi

pre 8 godina

Watcher,

You seem to forget one thing. Kosova is not and have never been serbian territory or land. It is and have allways been Albanian land. Once ruled by roman, ottoman, italian and serbian occupation but the land it self belong to the autochthonous people who lives there, the Albanians.

You see we dont need to offer Serbia anything as we dont need to offer Ottoman empire. These to occupation forces need to leave our land and our people alone. Time has changed we have two Albanian countrys but one united nation. If you are willing to wait 500 years then we will be ready when the time comes.

One more thing you should know is that nobody have succeded to rule Albanians or to change our culture. We are still the native people of the Balkans proud and strong. The only reason serbs and greeks have had the upper hand is because of Russian support and backing.

Time have changed now and you will learn one way or the other. But you have the chance to change the faith of our people but dont expect us to give away our homeland to you in exchange for peace. Its our land and will allways be.

Reader

pre 8 godina

"but how re you going to make the Serbs back down and swallow the loss of about 15% of their country?"

Well nothing short of war can make Serbs back down, no matter how unreasonable their claim is. I am sure you have heard about this famous Serbian pride or inat or whatever that is. It contrasts a bit with your description of Serbia as a more rational country with a lot of flare and promise. The issue has nothing to do with the Serb ego, however. The issue is the creation of RS-like territories inside of Kosovo, according to Self-Determination. But not according to the ruling parties.

"What can you offer to Beograd so that one day, even if its 500 years from now, they don't come and take it?"

To be fair, one should not pretend to be offered something from the weaker party :). That said, nothing reasonable can be offered to Beograd it seems, if they could they would come anyway. So the offer to Beograd in that case will be the presence of a strong army in Kosovo to greet them, alliance with NATO, and generally, a way to defend ourselves better than the last time. It will take some time, but Kosovo is still young, it will not be built in a day.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Watcher,

Just to get it out of the way. Yes! We rather stay stuck in mud than under Serb rule.

As for your other point. I dont think we should just leave everything behind, since the commited crimes bear no comparison. Serbia has and is still getting financal aid for the destruction of the bombing, Kosovo got NOTHING from Serbia for the destruction. Serbia doesnt even recognise the commited crimes. We can leave things behind after full admission of guilt and compensation for the destruction and the killings. Just like Germany did afte WWII. Then we can talk about reconciliation.

Compensation for their country? There is no "their" country. Kosovo has always been multi-ethnic. I can track back my family for 400yrs where I live, just by looking at the dates on the gravestones. And the Serbs added 1998 13 more to it. Google dosije reka or check out link. http://www.hlc-rdc.org/?p=30521

You want to leave things behind? Full recognition. No negotiations until that. Period.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Donkey Hoxha

You sure are a Donkey. Anniversery of the killing in Peja, also called Panda Shooting is what Vucic calls the biggest shame of Serbia, since it was MUP who shoot them and tried to make it look like KLA did it. Dude you need a reality check.

B92 take on Panda

http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2015&mm=12&dd=11&nav_category=16&nav_id=1073530

Watcher

pre 8 godina

Gjon -
I understand Nikola taking the opportunity to take a run at whats happing with the Kosovo Assembly, just like I understand your reply back with the same message...We need to leave this alone. I am a Serb, yes..but I am realistic that both Serbs & Albanians need to fix this NOW because the grandchildren of BOTH with look back at this generation as failures if we don't. My personal opinion is that the crap that took place back in the late 90's, from BOTH sides, needs to be put to the side and we need to move forward. Please don't misunderstand me, I fully understand the anger and stress of both sides, but Serbia has progressed so much and is moving toward the international stage with alot of flare and promise. Kosovo is spinning its wheels in the mud with really no positive outlook. I'm pretty sure that I will get replys such as "better stuck in mud than under Serb rule" and of that nature, but that is petty. I don't think Serbs WANT Kosovo participation in Beograd, just an understanding on borders. The Albanians can be independent to their hearts content...own language, own parliment,own police, own schools, own EVERYTHING....but how re you going to make the Serbs back down and swallow the loss of about 15% of their country? What can you offer to Beograd so that one day, even if its 500 years from now, they don't come and take it? I know, i know...they can try, but we and USA, etc will kick their ass and all that good stuff...Forget that, its time to talk and shake!!!!

Donkey Hoxha

pre 8 godina

it was Serbia who commited massmurder and ethnic cleansing and shit. You know War againgst Slovenja, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Massgraves in batajnica, srebrenica etc.
(Gjon Marku, 14 December 2015 16:22)

And it was "Kosova" that has committed consistent ethnic cleansing of Serbs since 1998, complete with destruction of homes, churches, monuments, and removal of their history from the region. Let's not forget rewriting history books to make it seem as if Albanians were the oldest race in Kosovo, and everything part of medieval Serbian history is actually Albanian, despite the fact no credible historian has ever attributed any Albanian civilization living in the region until the 17th century.

Oh that and your ancestors collaborated with Hitler, and, well oh boy, you guys are a lot closer to Hitler's vision of racial purity than anything you accuse Serbs of doing.

Hey, how many of those unsolved murders of Serbs are you still working to keep buried? Another anniversary of Serbs killed in Pec happened yesterday. Don't get so offended when it's true. And it's getting real old playing the 1990s card, especially when Albanians have been doing to Serbs what they accuse Serbs doing to Albanians.

Naim

pre 8 godina

Few things you should never forget:
1- we gassed former YU and this never exists any more.
2- we gassed Serbia in 1999 and wiped out.
3- we will gas out the corrupt liers and the will be wiped out

Then the new government should do its job what constitution says.

Not natural coalition PDK - LDK and minoritires pretending to force things in NO NO

We don't pretend everything is going ok.
And the unconstitutional agreements brought without asking people?
No it's no right - will never be.

We are not like you to pretend all its ok.
Look at Serbian living standards , unemployment l, health care, education, wages, I know I was there recently - people straggling to live and they look at your hand to buy some of their products...
... It's all ok with your government?
My NOT I am afraid and I really don't want them to rule it.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Nikola Novakovic

You are a complicated man and very resitant to the truth. Somehow you are obsessed with Islam and Kosovo. Here is an old saying “Feja e shqiptarit asht shqiptaria"

Sure there are extremist but the majority doesnt hate because of a different faith. There are catholic (like myself), orthodox and muslim albanians.

However, I always find it funny when you start comparing kosovo with Nazi Germany. You really shouldnt start talking about such things because, you know... uhmm... it was Serbia who commited massmurder and ethnic cleansing and shit. You know War againgst Slovenja, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Massgraves in batajnica, srebrenica etc.

Questioner

pre 8 godina

Again? I thought these violent extremists rioters abusing the name 'self determination' were arrested? Oh, sorry, they were 'put under house arrest'. Very effective, worked very well, as we can see. That's Kosovo. Some people stay in prison for a year without being sentenced, violent rioters who endanger public safety and work of the parliament are set free after a short time. Did the self terminators rioted in front of the police station again, which is the usual method in Kosovo to get a criminal released?

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

The Kosovo Albanians gassing their own people again...!

What, this is like the 5th time this year tear gas has been thrown into the parliament.... This is all because of the ZSO Brussels agreement, now please just imagine how the Serbs would be treated by these people in Kosovo, they would not be loved or treated with respect at all or even represented in the slightest ways... The Serbs in Kosovo would be doomed if they had to live under an albanian government, all ethnicities in Kosovo would be doomed by an albanian led government... They are not multicultural at all, it is clear the Kosovo Albanians are xenophobic and are only interested in an ethnically pure albanian Kosovo...

The parliament in Kosovo reminds me of Hitler in a number of ways... It was facist and democracy had no chance in Germany due to Hitlers ideology and this is similar to democracy in Kosovo due to KLA opposition and their ideology of a greater albania, secondly hitler gassed the Jews for political purposes, just as the albanians are using a gas for political purposes, thirdly the Jews were being attacked by German people, just as Serbs are being attacked by Albanian people and finally Hitler believed Germans were the supream race, just as the Islamic albanians and the majority of Muslims believe that everyone who is not a muslim (the infidels) must be treated as second class citizens, that they are not equal...! history repeats...

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

The Kosovo Albanians gassing their own people again...!

What, this is like the 5th time this year tear gas has been thrown into the parliament.... This is all because of the ZSO Brussels agreement, now please just imagine how the Serbs would be treated by these people in Kosovo, they would not be loved or treated with respect at all or even represented in the slightest ways... The Serbs in Kosovo would be doomed if they had to live under an albanian government, all ethnicities in Kosovo would be doomed by an albanian led government... They are not multicultural at all, it is clear the Kosovo Albanians are xenophobic and are only interested in an ethnically pure albanian Kosovo...

The parliament in Kosovo reminds me of Hitler in a number of ways... It was facist and democracy had no chance in Germany due to Hitlers ideology and this is similar to democracy in Kosovo due to KLA opposition and their ideology of a greater albania, secondly hitler gassed the Jews for political purposes, just as the albanians are using a gas for political purposes, thirdly the Jews were being attacked by German people, just as Serbs are being attacked by Albanian people and finally Hitler believed Germans were the supream race, just as the Islamic albanians and the majority of Muslims believe that everyone who is not a muslim (the infidels) must be treated as second class citizens, that they are not equal...! history repeats...

Donkey Hoxha

pre 8 godina

it was Serbia who commited massmurder and ethnic cleansing and shit. You know War againgst Slovenja, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Massgraves in batajnica, srebrenica etc.
(Gjon Marku, 14 December 2015 16:22)

And it was "Kosova" that has committed consistent ethnic cleansing of Serbs since 1998, complete with destruction of homes, churches, monuments, and removal of their history from the region. Let's not forget rewriting history books to make it seem as if Albanians were the oldest race in Kosovo, and everything part of medieval Serbian history is actually Albanian, despite the fact no credible historian has ever attributed any Albanian civilization living in the region until the 17th century.

Oh that and your ancestors collaborated with Hitler, and, well oh boy, you guys are a lot closer to Hitler's vision of racial purity than anything you accuse Serbs of doing.

Hey, how many of those unsolved murders of Serbs are you still working to keep buried? Another anniversary of Serbs killed in Pec happened yesterday. Don't get so offended when it's true. And it's getting real old playing the 1990s card, especially when Albanians have been doing to Serbs what they accuse Serbs doing to Albanians.

Questioner

pre 8 godina

Again? I thought these violent extremists rioters abusing the name 'self determination' were arrested? Oh, sorry, they were 'put under house arrest'. Very effective, worked very well, as we can see. That's Kosovo. Some people stay in prison for a year without being sentenced, violent rioters who endanger public safety and work of the parliament are set free after a short time. Did the self terminators rioted in front of the police station again, which is the usual method in Kosovo to get a criminal released?

Watcher

pre 8 godina

Gjon -
I understand Nikola taking the opportunity to take a run at whats happing with the Kosovo Assembly, just like I understand your reply back with the same message...We need to leave this alone. I am a Serb, yes..but I am realistic that both Serbs & Albanians need to fix this NOW because the grandchildren of BOTH with look back at this generation as failures if we don't. My personal opinion is that the crap that took place back in the late 90's, from BOTH sides, needs to be put to the side and we need to move forward. Please don't misunderstand me, I fully understand the anger and stress of both sides, but Serbia has progressed so much and is moving toward the international stage with alot of flare and promise. Kosovo is spinning its wheels in the mud with really no positive outlook. I'm pretty sure that I will get replys such as "better stuck in mud than under Serb rule" and of that nature, but that is petty. I don't think Serbs WANT Kosovo participation in Beograd, just an understanding on borders. The Albanians can be independent to their hearts content...own language, own parliment,own police, own schools, own EVERYTHING....but how re you going to make the Serbs back down and swallow the loss of about 15% of their country? What can you offer to Beograd so that one day, even if its 500 years from now, they don't come and take it? I know, i know...they can try, but we and USA, etc will kick their ass and all that good stuff...Forget that, its time to talk and shake!!!!

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Nikola Novakovic

You are a complicated man and very resitant to the truth. Somehow you are obsessed with Islam and Kosovo. Here is an old saying “Feja e shqiptarit asht shqiptaria"

Sure there are extremist but the majority doesnt hate because of a different faith. There are catholic (like myself), orthodox and muslim albanians.

However, I always find it funny when you start comparing kosovo with Nazi Germany. You really shouldnt start talking about such things because, you know... uhmm... it was Serbia who commited massmurder and ethnic cleansing and shit. You know War againgst Slovenja, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Massgraves in batajnica, srebrenica etc.

Naim

pre 8 godina

Few things you should never forget:
1- we gassed former YU and this never exists any more.
2- we gassed Serbia in 1999 and wiped out.
3- we will gas out the corrupt liers and the will be wiped out

Then the new government should do its job what constitution says.

Not natural coalition PDK - LDK and minoritires pretending to force things in NO NO

We don't pretend everything is going ok.
And the unconstitutional agreements brought without asking people?
No it's no right - will never be.

We are not like you to pretend all its ok.
Look at Serbian living standards , unemployment l, health care, education, wages, I know I was there recently - people straggling to live and they look at your hand to buy some of their products...
... It's all ok with your government?
My NOT I am afraid and I really don't want them to rule it.

Donkey Hoxha

pre 8 godina

We rather stay stuck in mud than under Serb rule.
(Gjon Marku, 14 December 2015 19:19)

LOL says every Albanian living abroad because they don't need to feel the consequences. Where'd your parents migrate to, bro? Germany? The US? Were you even born there or are you another one of those annoying diaspora children all full of patriotic rage but wouldn't know your ass from your elbow if you visited the land as a tourist?

The guy offered to meet you halfway and you still spat in his face and shouted demands. You have no sense of history, you have no regard for balance, and you shout demands out of some pathetic attempt at attention and relevance. And you're trying to prove your *better* than Serbs? LOL

Sara

pre 8 godina

It's really amazing that as the "indigenous" population from the area of Kosovo(a)- as you Albanians insist you are - you don't even have an original indigenous name for that land? A shortage of words in Albanian language? I don't think so. You don't have and never had a name because you never had a country in that area . KOS is a Serbian-Slavic word for a bird. Kosovo is short for Kosovo Polje: the Field of a Black Bird (English translation) and we all know what Kosovo Polje was so many centuries ago. If this is false , please educate us, tell us what is "your" country's original name in Albanian . And please , no Iliria! You speak Albanian, you are Albanians , you keep telling us. And if you insist that this was your land before we came to the area and that's the reason we have to give it back a have a suggestion : WHY DON'T WE GIVE EVERY THING BACK TO THE NEANDERTHALS, they were the first Europeans anyway .

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Watcher,

Just to get it out of the way. Yes! We rather stay stuck in mud than under Serb rule.

As for your other point. I dont think we should just leave everything behind, since the commited crimes bear no comparison. Serbia has and is still getting financal aid for the destruction of the bombing, Kosovo got NOTHING from Serbia for the destruction. Serbia doesnt even recognise the commited crimes. We can leave things behind after full admission of guilt and compensation for the destruction and the killings. Just like Germany did afte WWII. Then we can talk about reconciliation.

Compensation for their country? There is no "their" country. Kosovo has always been multi-ethnic. I can track back my family for 400yrs where I live, just by looking at the dates on the gravestones. And the Serbs added 1998 13 more to it. Google dosije reka or check out link. http://www.hlc-rdc.org/?p=30521

You want to leave things behind? Full recognition. No negotiations until that. Period.

Demi

pre 8 godina

Watcher,

You seem to forget one thing. Kosova is not and have never been serbian territory or land. It is and have allways been Albanian land. Once ruled by roman, ottoman, italian and serbian occupation but the land it self belong to the autochthonous people who lives there, the Albanians.

You see we dont need to offer Serbia anything as we dont need to offer Ottoman empire. These to occupation forces need to leave our land and our people alone. Time has changed we have two Albanian countrys but one united nation. If you are willing to wait 500 years then we will be ready when the time comes.

One more thing you should know is that nobody have succeded to rule Albanians or to change our culture. We are still the native people of the Balkans proud and strong. The only reason serbs and greeks have had the upper hand is because of Russian support and backing.

Time have changed now and you will learn one way or the other. But you have the chance to change the faith of our people but dont expect us to give away our homeland to you in exchange for peace. Its our land and will allways be.

Donkey Hoxha

pre 8 godina

You seem to forget one thing. Kosova is not and have never been serbian territory or land. It is and have allways been Albanian land. Once ruled by roman, ottoman, italian and serbian occupation but the land it self belong to the autochthonous people who lives there, the Albanians.
(Demi, 14 December 2015 21:16)

Says who? You? Who cared what Albanians under Hoxha were taught. Albanians didn't inhabit the land until after 1690 when the Sultan moved them in. History tells the truth. Albanians tell lies to compensate for them not having anything to contribute.

Donkey Hoxha

pre 8 godina

Vucic calls the biggest shame of Serbia, since it was MUP who shoot them and tried to make it look like KLA did it. Dude you need a reality check.
(Gjon Marku, 14 December 2015 18:56)

And you need to read properly. Vucic didn't call it what you said, or do you have problems reading Serbian? What about all the other unsolved Serbian murders in Kosovo? You blaming that on MUP too? LOL. Try at least to provide a link to back up what you're trying to say, rather than throw some random article my way and then give your own Hoxhafied spin.

Zoran..Sydney Australia

pre 8 godina

World is thinking...Albanians acting like animals....again. Where in the World is tear gas used in Parliament? Time to grow up Albania world is watching and laughing...why not take some refugees, oh wait most of the refugees after Syria are from Kosovo...Grow up!

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"World is thinking...Albanians acting like animals....again. Where in the World is tear gas used in Parliament?
(Zoran..Sydney Australia, 15 December 2015 08:44)

Tear gas in parliament? I think nowhere. And surely not repeatedly for the third or forth time, like in Kosovo.

The only thing I read about is bout MPs attacking other MPS in the parliament in Russia and Ukraine, and Korea. You can find nice videos on Youtube about these

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Donkey Hoxha

You sure are a Donkey. Anniversery of the killing in Peja, also called Panda Shooting is what Vucic calls the biggest shame of Serbia, since it was MUP who shoot them and tried to make it look like KLA did it. Dude you need a reality check.

B92 take on Panda

http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2015&mm=12&dd=11&nav_category=16&nav_id=1073530

Reader

pre 8 godina

"but how re you going to make the Serbs back down and swallow the loss of about 15% of their country?"

Well nothing short of war can make Serbs back down, no matter how unreasonable their claim is. I am sure you have heard about this famous Serbian pride or inat or whatever that is. It contrasts a bit with your description of Serbia as a more rational country with a lot of flare and promise. The issue has nothing to do with the Serb ego, however. The issue is the creation of RS-like territories inside of Kosovo, according to Self-Determination. But not according to the ruling parties.

"What can you offer to Beograd so that one day, even if its 500 years from now, they don't come and take it?"

To be fair, one should not pretend to be offered something from the weaker party :). That said, nothing reasonable can be offered to Beograd it seems, if they could they would come anyway. So the offer to Beograd in that case will be the presence of a strong army in Kosovo to greet them, alliance with NATO, and generally, a way to defend ourselves better than the last time. It will take some time, but Kosovo is still young, it will not be built in a day.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Looks like their security is very poor indeed. How can they explain constant attacks? They certainly look very weak and once NATO abandons them it's all over. BTW, its' not a matter of if but when.

kent prince

pre 8 godina

The 7 year olds are behaving violently and immaturely again.
What great democratic values they have. The Americans have taught them well. The tear gas was made where and purchased from whom?C

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Ya`ll can hate and call names as much as you want. Chapter 35 is opened.

I appreciate your rational approach Watcher and I`m open for discussion. I`m open for protection of minorities. I`m open for protection of orth. church heritage. I`m open for normalization. I think warcrimes needs to be prosecuted on both sides.

However, sovereignty of Republic of Kosovo and territorial integrity are not negotiable.

As for the rest of you. It doesnt matter anymore which monkey climbed down the tree first. It is how it is. Now, excuse me while I enjoy my freedom.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"One more thing you should know is that nobody have succeded to rule Albanians or to change our culture. We are still the native people of the Balkans proud and strong.
(Demi, 14 December 2015 21:16)

Ah, native people, which didn't change their culture since the 15th century. Thank you, now I understand a bit more the behavior and attitude of Albanian tribes. But don't you think you should adapt to the 21th century a bit? You know, democracy, rule of law, no more kings, pirates, and tribal leaders? Maybe a good start is reading about French revolution, which took place in the 18th century.

Revolution

pre 8 godina

Sara
you don't even have an original indigenous name for that land
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actually, we do. it was called Dardania, since year 87 AD, from the albanian word Dardha.

check the link, check the maps, and educate yourself a little
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardania_(Europe)

Why bother....

pre 8 godina

"Tear gas once again fired inside....."

Come on B92! Words may not make a difference to you, but they should. Where did the "fired inside" come from? Every other report refers to tear gas being "released" or "let off", as does your text. So why add something that wasn't there? Please, just report the news, and let the readers make of it as we wish. Thanks.

icj1

pre 8 godina

What can you offer to Beograd so that one day, even if its 500 years from now, they don't come and take it?
(Watcher, 14 December 2015 18:30)

Kosovo to give something to Belgrade today in order to avoid Belgrade taking it in 500 years?!!! Why would Kosovo do that when it can enjoy it, at least, until the year 2515 when Belgrade will attempt to take it?!

Sorry dear, but your proposal of giving up something today to not risk losing it in 500 years from now has no logic whatsoever!

Nikolle

pre 8 godina

"....behavior and attitude of Albanian tribes.." out of curiosity, can you please let me know who these tribes are? I live in Kosovo and have never seen people classified to any tribe and since you seem to know about it, perhaps you can educate me. p.s. its not Albaninas who go on about middle age battles and defeats and seeking to avenge 600 years after. so if you're going to be a smart ass, the least you can do is get your facts in order. tit

Site Fatigue

pre 8 godina

This site appears to be awash with fantasists,historical revisionists and misfits in abundance. Keep the stories flowing you never know repeated often enough they may be believed.We all came from Africa apparently so there are no "indigenous" people in the Balkans. Who arrived first is open to debate and is unlikely to be defined by the word of contributors here whose historical credentials are questionable in the extreme.The Serbian version would appear to be where the clever money is.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Nikola Novakovic

You are a complicated man and very resitant to the truth. Somehow you are obsessed with Islam and Kosovo. Here is an old saying “Feja e shqiptarit asht shqiptaria"

Sure there are extremist but the majority doesnt hate because of a different faith. There are catholic (like myself), orthodox and muslim albanians.

However, I always find it funny when you start comparing kosovo with Nazi Germany. You really shouldnt start talking about such things because, you know... uhmm... it was Serbia who commited massmurder and ethnic cleansing and shit. You know War againgst Slovenja, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Massgraves in batajnica, srebrenica etc.

Demi

pre 8 godina

Watcher,

You seem to forget one thing. Kosova is not and have never been serbian territory or land. It is and have allways been Albanian land. Once ruled by roman, ottoman, italian and serbian occupation but the land it self belong to the autochthonous people who lives there, the Albanians.

You see we dont need to offer Serbia anything as we dont need to offer Ottoman empire. These to occupation forces need to leave our land and our people alone. Time has changed we have two Albanian countrys but one united nation. If you are willing to wait 500 years then we will be ready when the time comes.

One more thing you should know is that nobody have succeded to rule Albanians or to change our culture. We are still the native people of the Balkans proud and strong. The only reason serbs and greeks have had the upper hand is because of Russian support and backing.

Time have changed now and you will learn one way or the other. But you have the chance to change the faith of our people but dont expect us to give away our homeland to you in exchange for peace. Its our land and will allways be.

Naim

pre 8 godina

Few things you should never forget:
1- we gassed former YU and this never exists any more.
2- we gassed Serbia in 1999 and wiped out.
3- we will gas out the corrupt liers and the will be wiped out

Then the new government should do its job what constitution says.

Not natural coalition PDK - LDK and minoritires pretending to force things in NO NO

We don't pretend everything is going ok.
And the unconstitutional agreements brought without asking people?
No it's no right - will never be.

We are not like you to pretend all its ok.
Look at Serbian living standards , unemployment l, health care, education, wages, I know I was there recently - people straggling to live and they look at your hand to buy some of their products...
... It's all ok with your government?
My NOT I am afraid and I really don't want them to rule it.

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

The Kosovo Albanians gassing their own people again...!

What, this is like the 5th time this year tear gas has been thrown into the parliament.... This is all because of the ZSO Brussels agreement, now please just imagine how the Serbs would be treated by these people in Kosovo, they would not be loved or treated with respect at all or even represented in the slightest ways... The Serbs in Kosovo would be doomed if they had to live under an albanian government, all ethnicities in Kosovo would be doomed by an albanian led government... They are not multicultural at all, it is clear the Kosovo Albanians are xenophobic and are only interested in an ethnically pure albanian Kosovo...

The parliament in Kosovo reminds me of Hitler in a number of ways... It was facist and democracy had no chance in Germany due to Hitlers ideology and this is similar to democracy in Kosovo due to KLA opposition and their ideology of a greater albania, secondly hitler gassed the Jews for political purposes, just as the albanians are using a gas for political purposes, thirdly the Jews were being attacked by German people, just as Serbs are being attacked by Albanian people and finally Hitler believed Germans were the supream race, just as the Islamic albanians and the majority of Muslims believe that everyone who is not a muslim (the infidels) must be treated as second class citizens, that they are not equal...! history repeats...

Reader

pre 8 godina

"but how re you going to make the Serbs back down and swallow the loss of about 15% of their country?"

Well nothing short of war can make Serbs back down, no matter how unreasonable their claim is. I am sure you have heard about this famous Serbian pride or inat or whatever that is. It contrasts a bit with your description of Serbia as a more rational country with a lot of flare and promise. The issue has nothing to do with the Serb ego, however. The issue is the creation of RS-like territories inside of Kosovo, according to Self-Determination. But not according to the ruling parties.

"What can you offer to Beograd so that one day, even if its 500 years from now, they don't come and take it?"

To be fair, one should not pretend to be offered something from the weaker party :). That said, nothing reasonable can be offered to Beograd it seems, if they could they would come anyway. So the offer to Beograd in that case will be the presence of a strong army in Kosovo to greet them, alliance with NATO, and generally, a way to defend ourselves better than the last time. It will take some time, but Kosovo is still young, it will not be built in a day.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Watcher,

Just to get it out of the way. Yes! We rather stay stuck in mud than under Serb rule.

As for your other point. I dont think we should just leave everything behind, since the commited crimes bear no comparison. Serbia has and is still getting financal aid for the destruction of the bombing, Kosovo got NOTHING from Serbia for the destruction. Serbia doesnt even recognise the commited crimes. We can leave things behind after full admission of guilt and compensation for the destruction and the killings. Just like Germany did afte WWII. Then we can talk about reconciliation.

Compensation for their country? There is no "their" country. Kosovo has always been multi-ethnic. I can track back my family for 400yrs where I live, just by looking at the dates on the gravestones. And the Serbs added 1998 13 more to it. Google dosije reka or check out link. http://www.hlc-rdc.org/?p=30521

You want to leave things behind? Full recognition. No negotiations until that. Period.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Donkey Hoxha

You sure are a Donkey. Anniversery of the killing in Peja, also called Panda Shooting is what Vucic calls the biggest shame of Serbia, since it was MUP who shoot them and tried to make it look like KLA did it. Dude you need a reality check.

B92 take on Panda

http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2015&mm=12&dd=11&nav_category=16&nav_id=1073530

Donkey Hoxha

pre 8 godina

it was Serbia who commited massmurder and ethnic cleansing and shit. You know War againgst Slovenja, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Massgraves in batajnica, srebrenica etc.
(Gjon Marku, 14 December 2015 16:22)

And it was "Kosova" that has committed consistent ethnic cleansing of Serbs since 1998, complete with destruction of homes, churches, monuments, and removal of their history from the region. Let's not forget rewriting history books to make it seem as if Albanians were the oldest race in Kosovo, and everything part of medieval Serbian history is actually Albanian, despite the fact no credible historian has ever attributed any Albanian civilization living in the region until the 17th century.

Oh that and your ancestors collaborated with Hitler, and, well oh boy, you guys are a lot closer to Hitler's vision of racial purity than anything you accuse Serbs of doing.

Hey, how many of those unsolved murders of Serbs are you still working to keep buried? Another anniversary of Serbs killed in Pec happened yesterday. Don't get so offended when it's true. And it's getting real old playing the 1990s card, especially when Albanians have been doing to Serbs what they accuse Serbs doing to Albanians.

Questioner

pre 8 godina

Again? I thought these violent extremists rioters abusing the name 'self determination' were arrested? Oh, sorry, they were 'put under house arrest'. Very effective, worked very well, as we can see. That's Kosovo. Some people stay in prison for a year without being sentenced, violent rioters who endanger public safety and work of the parliament are set free after a short time. Did the self terminators rioted in front of the police station again, which is the usual method in Kosovo to get a criminal released?

Zoran..Sydney Australia

pre 8 godina

World is thinking...Albanians acting like animals....again. Where in the World is tear gas used in Parliament? Time to grow up Albania world is watching and laughing...why not take some refugees, oh wait most of the refugees after Syria are from Kosovo...Grow up!

Donkey Hoxha

pre 8 godina

We rather stay stuck in mud than under Serb rule.
(Gjon Marku, 14 December 2015 19:19)

LOL says every Albanian living abroad because they don't need to feel the consequences. Where'd your parents migrate to, bro? Germany? The US? Were you even born there or are you another one of those annoying diaspora children all full of patriotic rage but wouldn't know your ass from your elbow if you visited the land as a tourist?

The guy offered to meet you halfway and you still spat in his face and shouted demands. You have no sense of history, you have no regard for balance, and you shout demands out of some pathetic attempt at attention and relevance. And you're trying to prove your *better* than Serbs? LOL

kent prince

pre 8 godina

The 7 year olds are behaving violently and immaturely again.
What great democratic values they have. The Americans have taught them well. The tear gas was made where and purchased from whom?C

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Ya`ll can hate and call names as much as you want. Chapter 35 is opened.

I appreciate your rational approach Watcher and I`m open for discussion. I`m open for protection of minorities. I`m open for protection of orth. church heritage. I`m open for normalization. I think warcrimes needs to be prosecuted on both sides.

However, sovereignty of Republic of Kosovo and territorial integrity are not negotiable.

As for the rest of you. It doesnt matter anymore which monkey climbed down the tree first. It is how it is. Now, excuse me while I enjoy my freedom.

Revolution

pre 8 godina

Sara
you don't even have an original indigenous name for that land
----------------

actually, we do. it was called Dardania, since year 87 AD, from the albanian word Dardha.

check the link, check the maps, and educate yourself a little
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardania_(Europe)

icj1

pre 8 godina

What can you offer to Beograd so that one day, even if its 500 years from now, they don't come and take it?
(Watcher, 14 December 2015 18:30)

Kosovo to give something to Belgrade today in order to avoid Belgrade taking it in 500 years?!!! Why would Kosovo do that when it can enjoy it, at least, until the year 2515 when Belgrade will attempt to take it?!

Sorry dear, but your proposal of giving up something today to not risk losing it in 500 years from now has no logic whatsoever!

Donkey Hoxha

pre 8 godina

Vucic calls the biggest shame of Serbia, since it was MUP who shoot them and tried to make it look like KLA did it. Dude you need a reality check.
(Gjon Marku, 14 December 2015 18:56)

And you need to read properly. Vucic didn't call it what you said, or do you have problems reading Serbian? What about all the other unsolved Serbian murders in Kosovo? You blaming that on MUP too? LOL. Try at least to provide a link to back up what you're trying to say, rather than throw some random article my way and then give your own Hoxhafied spin.

Sara

pre 8 godina

It's really amazing that as the "indigenous" population from the area of Kosovo(a)- as you Albanians insist you are - you don't even have an original indigenous name for that land? A shortage of words in Albanian language? I don't think so. You don't have and never had a name because you never had a country in that area . KOS is a Serbian-Slavic word for a bird. Kosovo is short for Kosovo Polje: the Field of a Black Bird (English translation) and we all know what Kosovo Polje was so many centuries ago. If this is false , please educate us, tell us what is "your" country's original name in Albanian . And please , no Iliria! You speak Albanian, you are Albanians , you keep telling us. And if you insist that this was your land before we came to the area and that's the reason we have to give it back a have a suggestion : WHY DON'T WE GIVE EVERY THING BACK TO THE NEANDERTHALS, they were the first Europeans anyway .

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"One more thing you should know is that nobody have succeded to rule Albanians or to change our culture. We are still the native people of the Balkans proud and strong.
(Demi, 14 December 2015 21:16)

Ah, native people, which didn't change their culture since the 15th century. Thank you, now I understand a bit more the behavior and attitude of Albanian tribes. But don't you think you should adapt to the 21th century a bit? You know, democracy, rule of law, no more kings, pirates, and tribal leaders? Maybe a good start is reading about French revolution, which took place in the 18th century.

Watcher

pre 8 godina

Gjon -
I understand Nikola taking the opportunity to take a run at whats happing with the Kosovo Assembly, just like I understand your reply back with the same message...We need to leave this alone. I am a Serb, yes..but I am realistic that both Serbs & Albanians need to fix this NOW because the grandchildren of BOTH with look back at this generation as failures if we don't. My personal opinion is that the crap that took place back in the late 90's, from BOTH sides, needs to be put to the side and we need to move forward. Please don't misunderstand me, I fully understand the anger and stress of both sides, but Serbia has progressed so much and is moving toward the international stage with alot of flare and promise. Kosovo is spinning its wheels in the mud with really no positive outlook. I'm pretty sure that I will get replys such as "better stuck in mud than under Serb rule" and of that nature, but that is petty. I don't think Serbs WANT Kosovo participation in Beograd, just an understanding on borders. The Albanians can be independent to their hearts content...own language, own parliment,own police, own schools, own EVERYTHING....but how re you going to make the Serbs back down and swallow the loss of about 15% of their country? What can you offer to Beograd so that one day, even if its 500 years from now, they don't come and take it? I know, i know...they can try, but we and USA, etc will kick their ass and all that good stuff...Forget that, its time to talk and shake!!!!

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Looks like their security is very poor indeed. How can they explain constant attacks? They certainly look very weak and once NATO abandons them it's all over. BTW, its' not a matter of if but when.

Donkey Hoxha

pre 8 godina

You seem to forget one thing. Kosova is not and have never been serbian territory or land. It is and have allways been Albanian land. Once ruled by roman, ottoman, italian and serbian occupation but the land it self belong to the autochthonous people who lives there, the Albanians.
(Demi, 14 December 2015 21:16)

Says who? You? Who cared what Albanians under Hoxha were taught. Albanians didn't inhabit the land until after 1690 when the Sultan moved them in. History tells the truth. Albanians tell lies to compensate for them not having anything to contribute.

Why bother....

pre 8 godina

"Tear gas once again fired inside....."

Come on B92! Words may not make a difference to you, but they should. Where did the "fired inside" come from? Every other report refers to tear gas being "released" or "let off", as does your text. So why add something that wasn't there? Please, just report the news, and let the readers make of it as we wish. Thanks.

Nikolle

pre 8 godina

"....behavior and attitude of Albanian tribes.." out of curiosity, can you please let me know who these tribes are? I live in Kosovo and have never seen people classified to any tribe and since you seem to know about it, perhaps you can educate me. p.s. its not Albaninas who go on about middle age battles and defeats and seeking to avenge 600 years after. so if you're going to be a smart ass, the least you can do is get your facts in order. tit

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"World is thinking...Albanians acting like animals....again. Where in the World is tear gas used in Parliament?
(Zoran..Sydney Australia, 15 December 2015 08:44)

Tear gas in parliament? I think nowhere. And surely not repeatedly for the third or forth time, like in Kosovo.

The only thing I read about is bout MPs attacking other MPS in the parliament in Russia and Ukraine, and Korea. You can find nice videos on Youtube about these

Site Fatigue

pre 8 godina

This site appears to be awash with fantasists,historical revisionists and misfits in abundance. Keep the stories flowing you never know repeated often enough they may be believed.We all came from Africa apparently so there are no "indigenous" people in the Balkans. Who arrived first is open to debate and is unlikely to be defined by the word of contributors here whose historical credentials are questionable in the extreme.The Serbian version would appear to be where the clever money is.