Serbia to ignore protest over "FRYOM" sign on highway - FM

Dacic,should get over it and only have business with them only when it favoirs/interests Serbia.

FYROM is a name which must remain for Macedonia. If they wish to backstab their neighbors, then they must live in a country which is known by the FYROM acronym... Serbia must never support a name change for FYROM until FYROM proves that it is a true slavic brother...

How dare FYROM betray the Serbs, their slavic brothers, they behaved like prostitutes, obviously taking bribes or some incentives from the West to vote against Serbia, they slept with the enemy, the enemy which recognizes only one name for FYROM and that is FYROM...

How can Europe ever be united when we are so divided, look at our balkan neighborhood, slavic brothers are betraying their own bloodline, they are selling out, they wish to line their pockets with diamond's, yes my friends, blood diamonds and they do not care that they have blood on their hands, as long as their greedy pockets are filled they are willing to stab anyone in the back, even their brother...

Since FYROM stabbed the Serbs in the back, maybe we should recognize FYROM as a part of greece, maybe that sign should be removed and instead of FYROM it should say greece...! You see, how would that make you feel, would it make you feel loved, or stabbed in the back, are you greek or are you slavic? If you are slavic then start acting slavic, support your brother, do not prostitute yourself as we will all see you without your clothes and you will be humiliated as you are now being the FYROM of the balkans...

Meanwhile in Greece, many of the signs still say Yugoslavia when heading to Macedonia and they don't look 25 years old, but rather new.

This Milosevic puppy - don't think Kosovo failed membership - it's 92 countries and the most powerful countries on earth - including our neighbours, good neighbor Republic of Macedonia and MNE.
This shows who is stronger - it doesn't matter the numbers. You managed the small minority including Congo, Zimbambve & Syria..
You milosevic puppy the idea of blocking is short lived.
So was Milosevic idea short lived and dead.

FINALLY!!! It's about time that we show our neighbours that we will reciprocate in kind.

This shows who is stronger
(Naim, 11 December 2015 11:23)

Yeah it was Serbia. Trust me, there's a lot of people in the countries that voted for you who didn't want you in UNESCO. Thankfully our wish was granted.

Good point, Rote, but unfortunately we all represent small countries, which cannot afford a principled stance on almost nothing. To the best of my knowledge, 'Macedonians' as such are an invention of Tito's academy and the so-called Macedonians are in fact Albanians, Bulgarians, and to a lesser extents Serbs, and those people have nothing to do with the ancient Greek region - Macedonia although they have lived in the area for centuries. No need to become prostitutes, you wrote. Sure, in theory I agree. But we have all ended up becoming prostitutes in the Balkans, Rote. It's not our fault if any single damn stupid insignificant Balkanic state has its own minorities in the neighboring countries. Albanians can destroy Macedonia and Montenegro in two months if we only wanted to, that's why Macedonians and Montenegrins are being recently so friendly with us. I'm pretty sure they hate Albos much more than any Serb has ever had ;) In my opinion, in theory you're right but in practice Balkans are all about how to be a successful prostitute in our stupid neighborhood since the major ones are all based somewhere else.

@Goran:

"Serbia should make new decision (without revoking previous one) to call FYROM 'North Macedonia'.

This is EXACTLY what FYRoM wants. They know that they can't get far with their demand to be called Macedonia. So in the end they want something like a "northern Macedonia" and another Macedonia at their south, so that they can claim that it's the very same land which was once split. FYRoM is using the name Macedonia to justify their territorial claims over Greece. We Greeks built half of southern Italy. Many Italian cities, including Napoli, have Greek names. Have you ever seen a Greek complaining about that? Of course not, we are proud. The problem between us and FYRoM is that FYRoM is using the name Macedonia to boost ultra nationalism and justify their "greater plans". Just like Albanians want a "great Albania".

You know Goran, your ancestors 100 years ago knew damn well Macedonia. Damn well. It was Tito who re-baptized Vardarska as Macedonia.

Greetings from Thessaloniki, the city in northern Greece, where the one and ONLY Macedonia exists, the land of Alexander the Macedon!

As for you Rote, open a history book. The world teaches our history. I'm, surprised that a Russian doesn't even know the basic stuff. See, your ancestors once upon and time used to know my land damn well, too. But I guess you have no real relation with your ancestors, do you?

To itwas,
Like itwas Chetniks have died as they fought doing the 2 nd war.As well ,itwas that you are dumb to think a leader of the Socialist Party ,is for Royalty or Kingdom .Socialist Party is against Royalty,while Chetniks fought for the King!.You knuckleheads ,get how silly you sound!.

Kind of hard to do Sasha when his inner chetnik still tells him that it is 'an artificial state part of Velika Srbija'.

FYROM is a banana republic with its roots in the IMRO movement in the early 20th century. Another fake nation created under the Hellenic Greek Macedonian history and the province of Macedonia, Greece.

Rote, although I enjoy reading your alternative view of history, I encourage you to go see the unearthed tomb of Philip of Macedon just outside of Salonika, Greece. Gold and artifacts with Greek encryptions supporting the Greek Macedonia .

FYROM is made up of Bulgarians, Albanians and some Serbs and Greeks. Many southern Serbs became so called Macedonians under Tito Policy and fake history taught throughout the former Yugoslavia.

I just feel sad over the many Serbs that live in Fyrom. Serbia has an obligation to protect them too especially over Albanian terrorism in Fyrom. But slowly these Serbs are getting Fyromized. So soon they will forget their Serbian heritage like the many Fyrom's did. They forgot where most of their blood came from.

Its called Tit for Tat and I think Serbia is doing a good job. By the way, Kosovo will not have Schengen visas.

Well more exactly is Italian 25% Latin 35% Slavic 25% Gipsy 15%

adrian_bucharest

I think the right number is 98% gipsy the rest is turk. By the way when are you going to bring home the hundreds of thousand gypsies flooding Europe with begging and crime?

To rote:

If you don't want to insult one another, then do NOT abuse the Greek history and the Greek culture. Alexander the Great, his father Philip II and ALL the ancient Macedonians were GREEKS. In your initial "post you said that Philip II had a Slavic name and that obviously he was a Slav because only Slavs could have had such a strong Army. Slavs came in the Balkans in the 6th century AD. We Greeks were in ancient Greeks since 4,000 AD. Alexander was GREEK. OPEN A BOOK.

As for the strength of the ancient Greek Army, if it wasn't for Leonidas and Sparta, you and the rest of Europeans would all be Middle Easterns now, not Europeans. THAT was the strength of the ancient Greek Army.

Rote, have you graduated from high school?

1. The ancient Greece never existed? LOL. We have BILLIONS of ancient artifacts in Greece which prove otherwise. ALL ancient nations (Celts, Iranians, Chinese, Egyptians verify the anvcient Greek history).

2 Excuse me, what? We started the Revolution against the Ottoman Empire in 1821 and we eventually got Greece back.

3. I don't care how you Russians treated Greece in Crimea during the medieval times..! The Ottomans treated us badly too, but this doesn't mean we were not a nation.

Thankfully our wish was granted.
(Donkey Hoxha, 11 December 2015 15:50)
You will see ur wish in 2 years time - you won't have Bashar Al Assad helping guy with the vote then - and I am sure you won't have Robert Magabi from Zimbabwe by then. We talking here the most powerful nations on earth were in support - do you think they will just give up... ? Answer it's NO
Macedonia & MNE contributed to good neighbor hood which is why MNE and soon Macedonia will integrate in NATI and EU.
Your Serbia - let's see. Who is going to support you on that.

ha ha... Kind of like after 90+ countries recognized Kosovo and Serbia had a fit when Ghana did it and closed their embassy, finally deciding to show everyone who's boss.

To rote:

4. " I do not think that Greeks have ever existed as one people."
First of all, I don't care what you think, I care what the Science of History PROVES. And the science of History has proved that we Greeks are one people, one nation. But even an uneducated arrogant like yourself who is totally unfamiliar with the European history can use his brain (or whatever is left out of it) to see that we are one people. If we hadn't existed as one nation, as one people, as you claim, we would never had got Greece back after 4 centuries (and us in Macedonia, northern Greece five centuries) of Ottoman occupation.

5. " There are 3 literature Greek languages ". NO. There are two DEVELOPMENTS of our language and our language relies TOTALLY on ancient Greek. For instance, if you ask Greeks to speak modern Greek without using ancient Greek words, we will be able to speak with only 5% of our vocabulary. Linguistics is also a Science rote, I suggest you open a book.

6. "For centuries there were no news about the Greeks". The same is true for the Serbs. You do know that Greeks and Serbs were occupied by ottomans, don't you?

7. The whole planet celebrates the civilization of the Greeks! I repeat: OPEN A BOOK, you only humiliate yourself with your ignorance.

The pyramids, the Parthenon, the Great Wall of China, the Sphinx, were built under the Horde’s rule while the Statue of Liberty and the White House were built by the Odenburgs I think.
(rote,

You shouldn't think,ask Fomenko he'e a time traveller and he knows everything. I've always known that conspiracy theories and their proponents often get maligned as crackpots, weirdos, outsiders, nut jobs.They get maligned because they provide poor to non-existent evidence of their claims and when given proof that clearly demonstrates that they are wrong, they refuse to accept it.They never claim that they are wrong, but victims of a vast conspiracy. There is no value in what they do. All it is anomaly hunting and then creating some preposterous fiction to explain it.

But in your case Rote you've surpassed the boundaries of conspiracy theories and you've added a new dangerous element called "Racism".When someone like yourself claims that ancient Greek Mathematicians and philosophers like Pythagoras or Archimedes couldn't be Greek but only Slav-eureka you guessed it the horde- or Greeks couldn't master an army of 50000-bearing in mind that the 70 ancient Greek Cities had a combined population in excess of 2 million - and could only be Slav this is plainly racist.

Now is my time to give you my verdict.
Ancient Russia= O
Medieval Russia =O
Your official history started sometime in the 15th century AD.The Greeks Christen you and tried to civilise you by giving you an alphabet.

It seems very straightforward to me. Serbia has recognised the country whose capital is Skopje as "The Republic of Macedonia". However, Dacic and his mates are sorely annoyed with Macedonia over the UNESCO vote so to retaliate they have put up this sign. If Ivica and friends are unhappy with decisions made under Milosevic (who I thought was his mentor) they should change them through the constitution, not play childish games. To rise above the fray is, more often than not, the nobler thing to do.

The biggest pyramids were built in China and there are some 400 of them guarded as military objects now. Because the artefacts show that those are medieval Russian objects with multiple Christian and Muslim symbols inside. The government tries to mask them as hills planting bushes and trees there.
(rote, 17 December

I beg to differ.I think, ancient aliens built the pyramids,the Parthenon,the Great Wall of China, the Sphinx, the Statue of Liberty and the White House – all conclusive proof that aliens do in fact exist.

If you believe that I trust the Russian monks more than the Greek ones you are mistaken as our churches have zero contradictions.

If the Churches have zero contradictions why shouldn't you believe them?

“Serbia recognized Macedonia under that name, unlike (other) European states, but that was done under (Slobodan) Milosevic, in the 1990s. While Macedonia has recognized Kosovo and is now bothered by some sign. … Macedonia was among 92 UNESCO members who in early November supported Pristina's failed bid to join the organization.”

Naming is an important part of developing a trade mark/brand. But we don’t have to become prostitutes each time adopting our stance to the current demands. Greece is a very important part os the Orthodox world but it does not mean that we must agree to everything they insist on. No matter how bad the Macedonians behave we should mind that “the truth is a bigger friend”. And the truth is that Alexander Fillipovic could not be a Greek. If he have ever existed he could be only a Slav because no other people in the world could have such a big and an advanced army but the Slavs. Not only Serbia but Russia and most of the former Soviet republics consider Macedonia as Macedonia. Otherwise we should call Greece as FOVC – Former Ottoman Velayat of Crete. Because on the old maps (that weren’t made after 17 century) you will find only one mentioning of Greece - the Crete Island. Then we can say FSRE as Former Soviet Republic of Estonia, FBCA = Former British Colony of America ect. What is most important Alexander Macedonski never existed as one man. His biography included life stories of several men.

Why is Montenegro joining NATO? Because of us, obviously. They don't fear Russia, they fear Albanians...Will it pay off? This recent trend of being a regional prostitute, I mean? Well, I wouldn't bet one single penny, an independent Kosovo will tempt us forever, I mean, and Serbia doesn't really want it back. They want just to somehow defend the few Serbs left in the area and the community would only guarantee a decent living for them. We all know that Serbs are some of the Balkan's more mitteleuropish dudes. They belong to the EU, have always, and would have already been a part of it if it weren't for Berlin's hawks. Sure, Serbs in Belgrade owe something to those innocent Serbs of Kosovo, is the least they can do. Otherwise, nobody is longing to take over Kosovo again, not Serbs at least. They lost Kosovo and they are aware of this. And know what, I think they don't even want it back cause Kosovo is lost for everyone, forever gone, gone with those bombs on Belgrade, gone with the muxhahedins fighting alongside Albos. Lost for everyone, unfortunately. Just one of the worst crimes around, basically.

Well, I'm being beyond amazing today!! Happy weekend to everybody, stay warm and be positive. As those glorious Albos who fought in the International Brigade during the Spanish Civil War would have said - Hasta la Victoria Siempre :)

"FIROM" is the Greek propaganda for the past 23 years.Greece is fearing of losing somthing which never belonged to them.

FYROM !

SKOPJE !

MACEDONIA !

"САМ НЕ ЧИТАЛ, НО ОСУЖДАЮ"

ROFL, you are 100% right on that, I have to admit.
The problem is, I started to read that pile of nonsense and first got a headache.
Than I checked out the "Yellow Palace", it's closed now.

Since headache is very painful and the Hungarian healthcare system is slowly collapsing (no "Психиатрическая больница" aka "Yellow Palace" nearby open) - I stopped to read all that silliness. I got better!

Serbia must be very cautious in what actions she takes out of anger. Each time she has done so in the past, she has lived to regret it.

Rote, be careful in trying to rewrite history, you do not have the mental capacity. You will only succeed in foolishly claiming that your grandfather is your son.

Dacic said at the time Belgrade was "disappointed, but not surprised" by its neighbors' behavior, and stressed their move was "deeply contrary to our national interests."

Ok, but how would putting a sign reading "FYROM" at the border contribute to get Macedonia's vote in the next UNESCO voting in a couple of years from now?

I do get it that putting the "FYROM" sign gives some Serbs some spiritual pleasure :) but on the practical side, not sure what is the foreign policy objective that Serbia aims to achieve by putting the "FYROM" sign?! With such childish actions (i.e. pointless revenge instead of trying to convince others) it's no surprise that Serbia's diplomacy fails over and over again to get a majority of countries to support Serbia's positions in regards to Kosovo.

Let’s try to be reasonable because Leonidas fails to be as such each time
Rote
I have sent you several postings with the maximum characters posing several questions on Fomenkoo's theories ans every time you found excuses not to answer them.Lets try some of them again.

1.On what criteria did Fomenko base his decision on how far to shift his dates of history?
2 How did fomenko know that the astronomical phenomena recorded in Ptolemy's Almagest and his crude catalogued positions the of 1,028 stars are correct?
3. Why has Fomenko refused to use the Chinese observations which have been tested by modern astronomers and found to be accurate?The Chinese have historical records of every appearance of Halley's Comet since 240 B.C., including records from 684, 760, and 837. The 837 approach was one of the closest and brightest ever. They also recorded eclipses, planetary conjunctions, and even occultations of planets by the moon. During the the Tang dynasty, total solar eclipses were recorded in 756, 761, 879, and 888 and partial eclipses in 702, 729, 754, and 822. Needless to say, these observations can be checked with modern astronomical software. They really happened.
Furthermore,you should know that Ptolemy besides being an amateur astronomer he was also a general and official biographer of Alexander the Great.If Fomenko accepts his astronomical observations he's got to accept his historical ones,the problem is they don't fit into his conspiracy.

If Serbia wants to play this silly game, then Macedonia should respond by erecting a sign on its border in the Serbian direction stating ' Republic of Yugoslavia'. Serbia ( YU ) had no right to manipulate it's neighbour to please it's Greek masters. Serbia is a thorn in the Balkan foot. Always has always will.
(VMRO, 14 December 2015 08:50)
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You could do that but then you would be the only country doing it because we all know that it's Serbia not "Republic of Yugoslavia" unlike you when the whole world knows you as FYROM.
So go ahead but remember, you have burned all your bridges with your Orthodox brothers and now only have Albanians as "frieds". With friends like these, who needs nenemies, right?
Serbia has been very good to you, even recognizing you as Macedonia at the risk of upsetting our dear friends and how do you return the favour? You recognize "Kosova" and vote to admit it into UNESCO. You have done this to yourselves. If you were a better friend Serbia would continue ot show friendship back.
Now you're on your own.

Reading more about Jesus. Yes, he was a Jew because Palestina was Russia. So he was Russian as Jews are Russians. But there was no Báthory, so there is no Russia.

And China was Russia, there was no China. And there was no Russia because there was no Báthory.

And Rodrigo? I mean, by his Scandinavian name Hrørik which does show up in (non-existing) Russian language, spelled in non-existing fake, non-Glagolitic writing as "Рюрик" did not exist, of course.

Look, there was no Рюрик, period. Maybe it was some Donkey Hoxha, Rodrigo of Spinach, riding some donkeys in Andalusia - but no Рюрик.

There is a nice, yellow-pained palace in Budapest, not far from my house, about maybe 5 miles. It is guarded by doctors and while it is very easy to enter it, leaving it without doctor's permit is difficult.

I am thinking, THAT house is the center of universe and all the non-Charlemagne theories originated from that house.

The proof is, right now there are at least 2-3 Napoleon Bonaparte-s living in that house, maybe even more. They married with Jean d'Arc and Valentina Tereshkova.

Drymades,

I am aware of theories that Alex was half-Hellene and either half-Thracian or half-Illyiran. The problem is, there is no proof that Greece ever existed. And Thracia never existed either.

"Alexandros", is merely the cousin of the 2-3 Napoleon Bonaparte-s who used to live in Yellow Palace of Budapest, close to Lipótmezö, he is either son of Valentina Tereshkova or Jean d'Arc. Valentina and Jean, too, used to live in that palace.

Till 2007 all of them were very well and being taken care by doctors 7/24.
They just could not leave that Yellow Palace of Lipótmezö.

Than there was a revolution and as of recent they all are out, to spread their Teachings.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18090691
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02046511#page-1

This Fomenko thing is getting out of control but at last we got rid of China, America and Russia the same time, what a relief.

Does India exist?
(Ataman,

With respect,Fomenko is a time-traveller and he managed to visit the past meet all the ancients and found his way back to tell the story.He's right,neither ancient China,Rome,Egypt,or Greece ever existed.Only the Horde did and it's the source of everything.

Serbia should make new decision (without revoking previous one) to call FYROM 'North Macedonia'.

MikeC : “thousand gypsies flooding Europe”


Some peoples were formed in the middle ages as a castеs and Gypsies were one of them. They watched after the Roman roads and such a life has developed mobility and some of their current traditions. Another people to form from a professional sect (a closed caste) was the Jews responsible for the taxes and the finance in the Great Horde. The Greeks initially were a caste of the Orthodox Brahmans while in many regions of the Ottoman Empire all Orthodox peoples regardless of their languages were called the Greeks. Unlike the Jews and the Roma the Greeks have formed a new pure nation with their legend mentality and new traditions. Israel is in the same trend while the Roma have zero chance to have a state and thus transform the Roma people into a Roma nation. Today we have castes only in India but in the middle ages India (Indea) was one of the names of the Horde. Not only the Gypsies but all the rest belonged to a the caste. Some were Popovici some were Boyars (Cossacks) ect. Maybe Serbs initially were a caste too. Because in old Horde’s books there was a word SRB for the state servants including the Cossacks where letter “B” could sound both as «Б» or Cyrillic «В». So Serbs could just be Cossacks deplyed on Balkans. And it can explain why so many monasteries for the retired Boyars were built here. All Russian saints initially were Boyars and so must be in Serbia.

Do not know, did everyone notice that according Fomenko two personalities hotly debated between Hungarians and Romanians and/or Albanians, Greeks and Serbs did never exist?

It's János Hunyadi and Skenderbeg.

I can prove in few minutes that than not only that, USA, Russia, Hungary, Poland, Romania do not exist either. Existence of last four is based on existence of a certain gentleman, his name is Stefan Batori or Báthori István.

Huge gain for Albanians because there is no Russia and no Romania. And on Kosovo question Hungary and Poland is a very weak ally, with such allies Albanians do not need enemies.

But wait, since there was no Kastrioti, there is no Albania, no Greece and of course Kosovo is Serbia.

Unfortunately there is no Serbia either, so there is no Kosovo.
There is no Croatia and no Slovenia as there was no Monarchy and no Serbia.
Macedonia never existed in any form, obviously.

There is no France as there was no Charlemagne.

This Fomenko thing is getting out of control but at last we got rid of China, America and Russia the same time, what a relief.

Does India exist?

Skenderbeg 1444, you have just showed that albanians are not intersted in facts when they read history, but their political and ideological presentation. Double-headed eagle is Byzantine symbol that represents sacral and world, but you are not interested in fact rather in your chauvinist propaganda.

Drymades : “Macedonians' as such are an invention of Tito's academy”

I have other than most people vision of the history. For instance today I spent several hours studying the life stories of the Serbian saints. With few exclusions I found the same strange things as with the Russian ones.

But I am not so sceptic about the documents dated before 17 century. To be exact dated before 1563 when the Smuta time started in the Great Horde. It ended in 1612 with the German (Romanovs) coup when the whole history of mankind was rewritten including the Russian.

Many of the current problems here were planted in 18-19 centuries. The Greek issue though is rather evident for me as there had never been an "ancient" or any other Greece before 1821. If you have any proof of the opposite feel free to list and I’ll destroy it despite my personal sympathy for the people that is called Greeks today.

With the Macedonians it’s not so simple. I only know that Macedonians were always mentioned as Slavs while the Balkans were marked only as ВЕЛИКОЕ КНЯЖЕСТВО БУЛГАРСКОЕ and it included all the lands with Greece, Macedonia, what is called Albania, Serbia, ect.

It was a mistake of the Greeks to create this naming problem with Macedonia. Because most likely Alexander Macedonski was one of the tales written by the Oldenburgs.

And of course the treason of the Macedonians and the Montenegrins deprived them of Serbia as the only possibble ally they could enjoy against the Shqiptars.

Leonidas

1.On what criteria did Fomenko base his decision on how far to shift his dates of history?
2 How did fomenko know that the astronomical phenomena recorded in Ptolemy's Almagest and his crude catalogued positions the of 1,028 stars are correct?
3. Why has Fomenko refused to use the Chinese observations


Leonidas those are very good questions and when I am at home tonight I’ll respond them with Fomenko’s aid. Please read the links that I’ll give to you. Right now I’d like to remind you that the Greeks played a very big role in the history of mankind but that role was quite different from what you and Irini think now. For centuries the Greeks headed the Orthodox church of the whole Great (Mongol-Tatar) Horde from Britain to India, from Japan to America and from Africa to Russia. Also I suppose that the Great Khans/Kniazes of the Great Horde had much of the Greek blood. Their ruling Rurikovici dynasty had Komnin routes of the Byzantine Emperors. And you can see the Komnin’s family two headed eagle of the Russian, Serbian and the Shqiptar flags today. Greeks were the Brahmans of the world and this is why we use Greeks words for the Savior today. The question is how close you are to those Greeks ?

Drymades : “Rote wrote in a few specialized Albo blogs … continuity between the ancient Greeks and the modern ones, Illyrians and Albanians … today's Greeks and Albos are a mix of their byzantine and ottoman roots. … There can't be a 'pure blood' Greek, Albanian, Macedonian, or Turk. We are all mixed up”


You are the only one who has my LIKE today because most things in your comment do not contradict to what I said. The problem is that we discuss quite other things with Leonidas. Also I have never been at any Shqiptar site and if you give me good links I will definitely go there. Our problem with Leonidas is that he feels comfortable as the father of civilization and I believe that it wasn’t quite so. The fame and glory of the Slavs was stolen and divided among other peoples like the Mongolians, Jews, Arabs, Greeks, Americans, Maya, Aztecs, Chinese, Indians of India and Indians of America, the Brits, the Germans, the Italians ect. The entire medieval history is false while the “ancient” history describes mostly events of the 14-16 centuries. Be it Chinese history or Indian or Greek or any other. You are free to choose any item or two (no more) and I’ll try to prove that the current version of the events is false.

Who knows Leonidas maybe they are the true Greeks but not you!

The ethnicity of a person is determined by the language.My language has been around for 5 thousands years whereas theirs was only reconstructed in 1946.

Macedonians are proud people and they do not sell their ancestors name.

This why they stabbed their fellow Serbs in the back for thirty silver.As to their anscestors they stand more chances of finding them in Bulgaria than ancient Macedonia.

The ("Chinese") train #4 goes from Yaroslavski station to Beijing via Mongolia.
I sat three times in that train, twice the full length.

The train follows the Great Wall for about 6-or-so odd hours. In some places the Wall is in quite sorry state, in many you see it being quite wall-like.

The only restored part is at BaDaLing, that is for tourists (and maybe one or two more places). Otherwise it goes through ridges difficult to access, but you see it from the train.

The train travels roughly a west -> east direction. The defenses everywhere are consistently supporting guards from south facing an opponent coming from the north. We visited BaDaLing in person. No one noticed that the Wall would defend North from South.

Drymades,

Fomenko is famous and is admired for his mathematical researches.
For his "research" in history he got an (in)famous "lemon" prize in Russia.

The name of that prize is "Abzats" which - maybe coincidently, maybe not - (khm, khm) sounds like "Pizdets" which could be translated roughly like "completely screwed" (just using more taboo words).

I won't be proud for a public nomination for "Abzats".

BTW: forget Macedonia - how much money you would need to allocate just to build the Great Wall pursuing a questionable agenda to fool the future generations regarding Charlemagne or Great Russian Horde?

Than indeed, every single record in Chinese, Arab, Indian, Russian, Western chronicles has to be changed. Than you have to travel all over globe to change everything.

That would be the most expensive project in human history, would cost more than settling on Mars. For no reason and with no real leader. Except some alleged secret societies.

Skenderbeu 1444 : “Hej Ataman you said that Albanian eagle has two heads like Russian and Serb eagles. That is not true because our eagle has two heads too but they represent Kosova and Albania.”


You’re wrong ! The two headed eagle was the family symbol of the Komnins Dynasty of the Byzantium to which Andronicus-Christ belonged. This why since 13 century it became the symbol of the Great (Mongol) Horde. What you say is a very new fairy tale – forget about it !

Rote

This is what I wrote to you on our previous exchange last year.

Fomenko’s conspiracy theories are not new to me and neither to the wider audience.In fact they are the re-heated ideas of Jean Hardouin who was convinced that all of the ancient records of Greece and Rome were forgeries carried out by Benedictine monks but failed miserably to produce any reasoning as to why the monks would fake so much history and neither saying whether the monks had what it takes to be philosophers.or scientists and, nor a shred of evidence to back up his claims.

(Leonidas, 28 November 2014 12:55)

You've also claimed that the Egyptian pyramids,The Great Wall of China,the Parthenon and the colosseum were not ancient at all but recently erected.When I asked you for a date you've answered again "recently" without naming a date.This was a strong indication to me that you didn't have a clue of what you were talking about.
I've also said to you "I would suggest to you to get out of your cocoon in Russia and visit some public libraries in Egypt,China,Italy and Greece and you'l find out that the recorded history in those countries is more or less the same.
(Leonidas, 27 November 2014 20:59)

You can even visit the St. Panteleimon Monastery in mount Athos in Greece(the Russian Monastery)which contains thousands of manuscripts both in Greek and Russian and you'll find the real history of the Byzantine empire.Monks are Russian.

Romania is a slavic country why it is not includet in a slavic union of the Balkan ?

Well more exactly is Italian 25% Latin 35% Slavic 25% Gipsy 15%

Irini Thessaloniki : “As for you Rote, open a history book. The world teaches our history. I'm, surprised that a Russian doesn't even know the basic stuff ...”

Irini we won’t discuss evident things like spiritual brotherhood of our peoples and hence we won’t insult one another. Especially in a shqiptar terrarium like this. Besides my mother and my daughter both have Irina names. Let’s try to be reasonable because Leonidas fails to be as such each time I question things concerned Greece. And it’s not only a Greek problem but of almost all the countries in the Eurasian and American continents. Their all histories have been “improved” in 17-19 centuries. If you ask me about the Russian history I’ll give you the long long list of what is wrong here. Concerning Greece I believe that :

1/ The ancient Greece we are told has never existed. This theory appeared first in 17 century we can talk about it (WCTAI) to support the fake history of the never existed Rome in Italy. Nobody could check it as the territory was under the Ottomans.

2/ Later when in 1821 the territory was set free the Oldenburgs decided to call it Greece (WCTAI) and included it to their empire though on really old maps only one place was marked Greece and it was the Crete Island.

3/ In the medieval times in Crimea, Ukraine and other places Geeks were not an ethnical group but those who belonged to the Orthodox Church no matter if they were Jews or Tatars or Russians or Ellins and sure WCTAI too.

Irini Thessaloniki : “As for you Rote, open a history book. The world teaches our history.”

4/ I do not think that Greeks have ever existed as one people. So was with all other peoples that were formed as professional castes of the Great Horde – Kurds (Horde’s Cossacks), the Jews (taxes and finance) , Gypsies (Roads) ect. Greeks composed the highest Orthodox Brahman caste but they were never united.

5/ There are 3 literature Greek languages – the ancient, the medieval and the new one. The oldest is the medieval because the two others were made by the Oldenburgs. So the medieval Greek is the language SOME people in Byzantine spoke. I once heard a Caucasian Greek trying to speak a student from Athens. You know how amusing it could be because one of them spoke almost Turkish.

6/ For centuries there were no news about the Greeks, no documents, no artefacts, no grave stones – just nothing and WCTAI if you ask.

7/ The role of the Greeks in the history was rather big but it was quite different from what you believe in. WCTAI if you ask me about the Cossack Olympics and the trophy Ottoman Parthenon with Mariam’s Mosque inside. People like Schliemann did the job … I’ll give you pictures with mosques and minarets by Parthenon’s side and the Ottoman people’s houses cleaned later. Just chose any theme you like to discuss.

If Serbia wants to play this silly game, then Macedonia should respond by erecting a sign on its border in the Serbian direction stating ' Republic of Yugoslavia'. Serbia ( YU ) had no right to manipulate it's neighbour to please it's Greek masters. Serbia is a thorn in the Balkan foot. Always has always will.

Rote, I was trying to escape with some sort of dignity from this debate....it didn't work. Do you want me to join you in your efforts to deconstruct Balkans' mainstream historiography, tavarish? I will. Is the Greek historiography based on myths fabricated by Germans mainly?
(Drymades, 13 December 2015 20:09)

Not only the Greek historiography but also the Roman,Chinese,Egyptian,Persian and the rest of the world.According to Fomenko and his disciple Rote the entire world history has been a conspiracy against mother Russia.Fomenko,of course, is a Russian nationalist who all of a sudden discovered that mother Russia was the source of planet earth and its culture gave rise to England (he hasn't visited a British University yet where history has been recorded for the last 1000 years).It also explains why the Czars believed they were Caesars through their connection with Byzantium(not a shred of evidence).In other words, Fomenko's conspiracy theory is nothing more than an attempt to bolster the forgotten image of the Russian state, and to claim for Russia a large piece of the reflected glory of a world that passed it by.

Drymades : “Do you want me to join you in your efforts to deconstruct Balkans' mainstream historiography, tavarish? I will … I don't know where mega Alexandros was from, but I can hardly believe he was of Slavic origins, despite my simpathy for the Slavs.”


Of course I would like someone to join me not to look like a finished idiot here ! Unfortunately history textbooks have no mentioning of the initial sources of the information they spread. Those are fiction stories to be studied at literature lessons. Maximum you can expect are the links of other fairy tales they used to write the mainstream fake history. If you lie once you will have to lie all the time and it is exactly what we can see in the history we were imposed in 17-19 centuries.

Most of the ideas and the methodology were granted by the outstanding Russian mathematician Anatoly Fomenko who for 42 years now reveals the real history of the mankind. He and his team from Moscow University have written about 40 books and shoot dozens of films.

I have problems with almost all other Balkan peoples. Alexander if he ever existed could be only a Slav. Because no other people in the past could seize such vast territories but the Slavs. Before you disagree please mind that R1a and R1b are both Slavic happlogroups and that’s why 80% of the Europeans are mostly Slavs.

http://www.chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/index.html

Атаман : “IMO, Alexander Makedonski wasn't Slav among other reasons that the (Antique) Macedonian weaponry was more like of Thracian or Greek. More-less same about the tactics used in battle…. The key element of Slavonic tactics was the recursive composite bow. Hittites used it against Pharao Ramses in masses - why would Alexandar Filipovic not use that weapon against Persians hundreds of years later? Because Alexander the Great wasn't Slav … Slavs - like Huns or Turks or Mongols - do not even know any other bow, only a composite recursive one. …The main reason the Mongol Horde could never conquer Viet Nam was that…”

С чего ты решил, что у Македонского короткие мечи были ? Ты еще скажи, что он был пидаром и носки у него воняли ! Каким источником ты пользовался? Какая там тактика была у литературного героя ! Ты еще про Василия Теркина нам расскажи. Турки, тракийцы, хетты и тп.- все были славянами, кроме гуннов-угорцев. Посмотри на их гапплогруппы. Кто тебе сказал, что Вьетнам выстоял ? Все пали перед нами, а он выстоял – бред какой. А рядом посмотри на Анкор Ват и сравни рисунки с рисунками в верхней части (снаружи) на Успенском соборе во Владимире и найди разницу. И какие к черту фараоны, каждый из которых правил по 33 года ровно ! PHRN – так они писались в старину, что означало ПХРН = похоронен + имя. Это царская (ордынская) усыпальница в Гизе, куда свозили мумии со всего света !

Sorry for my poor English !

And about fairy tales, legends and folk songs... as far as I know, Russian or Hungarian are somewhat similar. It's all about some princes and knights, riding horses, shooting arrows, ugly frogs finding the lost arrow and turning into a beautiful princess. Or chasing deers, shooting arrows, deers leading the heroes to find a new country or a new wife (or to a frog - to - become a beautiful wife because the arrow would kill the ugly witch who cursed the princess) and so on and so on, ad nauseam.

So the handsome knight should have 100% control over his composite bow to hit the ugly wicked witch from a long distance with a golden arrow and make the ugly frog find the arrow and turn into a beautiful princess. ;-)


The same time AFAIK, Greeks very well knew Schytians. Schythians were employed in Athens as policemen: for such job a short and powerful composite bow is more useful than the clumsy longbow or sword. Or the 6 meter long phalanx pike.

Regardless, statues in Skopje are plain disgusting and I am not sure, do I want to laugh or vomit looking at them.

Fomenko is the most popular historian in Russia today with millions of followers because he gives answers to almost all questions that the traditional historians decline. s and we can talk about it too.
(rote,

On the contrary,he is completely the opposite.He's only accepted questions regarding his mathematical calculations but refused to answer any on archaeology and historiography.But as I've said on my posting below if one cherry picks and uses the values of variables in an algebraic equation that fits his chronology he'e likely to get the results he wishes(although he had to re-write the Byzantine history to fit his narrative).
Now let me ask you a simple question.Imagine Fomenko going to China and telling the Chinese that the 557 recorded emperors or their 10 million recorded ancient manuscripts were either fakes or never existed or were written by Scalinger(as you claim)what would be their reaction.Imagine Fomenko telling them that it wasn't China that discovered the compass or the gun powder but it was the Horde what would they say?Imagine telling them that the Great Wall-21500 kilometres lenghth and 9 metres height-was only built recently,what will they say.
I suggest you read the " myths of new chronology" published incidently by the Moscow University.You should also take on board what the distinguished Russian archaeologist, Valentin Yanin, said about Fomenko.He compared Fomenko's work to "the sleight of hand trickery of a David Copperfield".

Rote, it's all about the language, and yes, it is the continuity between the ancient Greek language and the modern one that proves that al least Greeks have always been there, and that their predecessors are certainly peninsula's most ancient population. Now, since we have a lot of illuminated Albos who can write in every language but their own, good Albo forums only allow people to write in Albanian and the articles are in Albanian. So I don't think you'd be interested in google translating comments and essays, but here are a couple of them: http://www.forumishqiptar.com/forum.php
http://peizazhe.com/
Apparently Fomenko is a distinguished member of the Russian Academy and I enjoyed reading from him :)

Than indeed, every single record in Chinese, Arab, Indian, Russian, Western chronicles has to be changed. Than you have to travel all over globe to change everything.
(Ataman,

Dead right.Neither Fomenko nor his followers have provided any explanation of how someone from medieval Europe convinced the Chinese to create fake dynasties (557 emperors )complete with bogus archives.Furthermore,we have other instances ie Charlemagne. So he's dealt with in classic conspiracy theory fashion: he never existed. Apparently neither did Alfred the Great and his son Edward, the first king of unified England. Also sixty Popes, four antipopes, and 18 archbishops of Canterbury.The Spanish and Portuguese conquests in Latin America and Asia never happened (it was the Horde's conquests) but Scaliger changed the facts.The fact that all Latin American countries-with the exception of Brazil whose language is Portuguese-speak Spanish is totally irrelevant.Not even David Icke (the illuminati and Reptilian conspiracy theorist)will utter such nonsense.

8. TWO BRANCHES OF THE ORIGINAL CHRISTIANITY.

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/02_06.html#mark

9. TWO WRITING TRADITIONS OF CHRISTIANITY – APOSTOLIC AND ANCESTRAL-ROYAL.

There were many texts written in both of the branches of original Christianity. They varied. The people's Apostolic Church created the Gospels. We are very familiar with their spirit. The Gospels revere Andronicus-Christ and do not accept any equality with Him. This is a reverence of a disciple for his Teacher. Christ is the Sun, which is unblemished. In the Ancestral-Royal circle they also were writing a lot (or used chroniclers and writers). Naturally they were writing a lot about their famous ancestor Lord Christ. But the flavour of these texts was essentially different. From them subsequently grew the 'ancient'-Greek myths about Zeus-Christ and his numerous relations – Olympian Gods, and also the 'ancient'-Greek legends about God Osiris-Christ and his nine closest gods. Modern commentators refer all such Christian testimonials to an historical period - 'paganism', naturally shifting it back to 'antiquity' and separating it from Christianity. The differences between the texts of the apostolic tradition and Ancestral-Royal literature were so great, that today researchers have to explain with great difficulty vivid parallels and analogies between the Apostolic Christianity and 'paganism', which emerge repeatedly.

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/02_06.html#mark

SO READ THE LINKS THAT I GAVE FIRST !
(rote,

I am also the son of the King of Daleks(from Dr Who series) because i say so.

Fell comfortable with Fomenko and his theories and I will feel comfortable with the real world.

Leonidas : "I am also the son of the King of Daleks ..."

If you still believe in ancient Greece then no King of Daleks or Queen of Saba will shock me. You had no time to even look through the links that I gave you and now you decline from direct discussion. If you mean the HOW IT WAS IN REALTY book then in the begining they say that in this book there will be no sources given as it will repeat the previous 40 books of theirs. If you are lazy to read you may watch 24 films of the NEW CHRONOLOGY available in the web. My problem is that I read it all in Russian and then I have to find an English version for you. And it is always shorter and placed different. So It takes time and I am disapointed when I understand that you had not a glance at it. Leonidas Fomenko's version is soon to become dominant in Russia and Europe will fall next. Yet if you are hurt about the item let's discuss Russian history where falsifications exceed even the Greek ones. Moreover even the 19 century history of Europe was totally falsified while Fomenko stopped in the end of the 17 century. We can also talk about the history of both Americas or China or India or Britain or whatever you choose. Let's leave alone the Balkans with their multiple conflicts and pain points.

Leonidas

If you believe that I trust the Russian monks more than the Greek ones you are mistaken as our churches have zero contradictions. Partly because their basic books have been refined by the same people. Those were the same Oldenburgs who created Greece only in Russia they used Romanovs trade mark. The change happened due to the new patriarch who was younger brother of the first Romanov Tsar Mikhail.

Initially those were the Italian and Dutch Benedictines later in 17-18 century - the Italian humanist Jesuits with the mentioned Jean Hardouin among them. Yet his stance was very close to what Fomenko says. Hardouin criticized another famous scientist Isaak Newton over chronology calculations. According to Newton only 300 years in the Roman and Greek history never existed while Hardouin insisted on 1800 years shift.

According to Fomenko fakes are 333 years in the Byzantine history, 1053 in the Roman and 1780-1800 in the Greek one. Hardouin enjoyed absolute respect all over the continent because of his encyclopedical knowledge but his 11 books of history researches were forbidden soon after edited in 1715.

When at home I’ll give you info about other European scientists who thought similar with Fomenko. Mention that before 18 century chronology was part mathematics and only after that the historians privatized the process. Yet all criticized J.Scaliger for writing the basic artifact books that his theory of history was lacking.

Leonidas

Thanks to your archive you can see that Fomenko proved to be persuasive. All because he gives multiple documents and other proves to support his every theory. For instance concerning Alexander of Macedon they say that they haven’t examined the issue but they gave many arguments that this man could live only in 15-16 centuries. According to them Alexander’s story is a combined one and it included stories of Issus Navin (new Jesus) and Suleiman the Magnificient.

In some of the chronic he is exposed as a Muslim and a Slav that does not contradict. In the medieval times Greek could quite mean religious belief of a man. Especially if you remember that there were no nations before the fall of the Horde when all inside the city walls were one – no matter what languages they spoke and what God they believed.

As for the conspiracy I have to say that the new rulers of Europe were Russians as well. Those were former Horde’s governors of the territories and they needed arguments to explain their right for the power in their regions. It ended with 130 years of reformation wars as you know. But in historical issues they all were united and well motivated.

Long live B92's Olympic patience !

Irini ; ‘Slavs came in the Balkans in the 6th century AD. We Greeks were in ancient Greeks since 4,000 AD.’’

There was no writing before 10-th century and this is why we know nothing for real about that period.


Irini : "As for the strength of the ancient Greek Army, if it wasn't for Leonidas and Sparta ...’’

What you talk about was the medieval Horde’s army. Greeks could merely serve there as they were a closed caste of the priests/brahmans of the empire while the Spartans were Slav/Turkic Cossacks. So they led ascetic life and trained between the Peloponnese wars as we are persuaded now. If you disagree please explain what was the sense for the Spartans to fight Athens if they weren’t interested in material goods and wealth and could hardly control their own peasants ?


Irini : "Rote, have you graduated from high school

Yes but history is only my hobby.


Irini let’s leave alone Greece for a while to show you that the picture with falsification was the same everywhere else. So please tell me how could it be that one of the Spanish provinces and the small Portugal divided the whole world and nobody minded it in late 15 century or later ? They signed a treaty and neither Russia, nor the Ottomans or Germany nor Britain – just nobody minded it! Moreover 3 Popes released their Bullas to legalize the division!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tordesillas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter_caetera

Leonidas : “… ancient aliens built the pyramids, the Parthenon, the Great Wall of China, the Sphinx, the Statue of Liberty and the White House”

The pyramids, the Parthenon, the Great Wall of China, the Sphinx, were built under the Horde’s rule while the Statue of Liberty and the White House were built by the Odenburgs I think. It took them time which of the two languages to make legal in America – German or English. Though it did not matter much for them as they controlled all German lands , Britain, Russia, Greece, Finland, Denmark, Holland, Sweden ect. Odenburgs were the founders of the USA and I can tell you how it was in reality as 80-90% of the American history is a lie too. But I suggest to stop testing the b92 patience today.

Rote, I was trying to escape with some sort of dignity from this debate....it didn't work. Do you want me to join you in your efforts to deconstruct Balkans' mainstream historiography, tavarish? I will. Is the Greek historiography based on myths fabricated by Germans mainly? Yessss, despite my simpathy for our difficult neighbors. I don't know where mega Alexandros was from, but I can hardly believe he was of Slavic origins, despite my simpathy for the Slavs. Is it a mistake non recognizing Macedonia with its 'natural' name? It is a political choice, and politics has nothing to do with the 'scientific' truth. Look, if it weren't for the Serbs, Russia would have recognized Kosovo, right? And maybe would have been best friends with Shqiptars, why not Rote, since ages ago, Stalin approved Albanian complaints against Tito's nationalistic approach and expelled mighty Yugoslavia from Cominform? Despite the Slavic brotherhood? I don't have any list of nothing and maybe, if I can manage to have Srbi and Shqiptars become allies, Russia's influence in the area will come to an end, right? Call me a balcanic prostitute or kurva, you name it, but that is the truth, if the truth is all we're looking for here. Serbian saints lives, huh? Well, I confess I'm very interested in this topic and have already started to read something. I decided to follow the comments here when I first read your exchange of ideas with Dragoljub on the particularity of the Serbian church and iconography. Believe it or not, that is the truth.

IMO, Alexander Makedonski wasn't Slav among other reasons that the (Antique) Macedonian weaponry was more like of Thracian or Greek.

More-less same about the tactics used in battle.

Hittites were the Slavs of antique times and their language was decrypted and analyzed based on modern Polish and Russian. This is beyond any doubt.

The key element of Slavonic tactics was the recursive composite bow. Hittites used it against Pharao Ramses in masses - why would Alexandar Filipovic not use that weapon against Persians hundreds of years later? That weapon was the instrument of mass destruction before the gunpowder. In addition, Persians used it and the best way to counter recursive composite bows is to use even more recursive composite bows.

Because Alexander the Great wasn't Slav and while he knew that weapon, his soldiers weren't trained to use it or counter it with the same.

Look at Russian fairy tale books starting with Three Mighty Knights. Or letopis. Or at Palekh ornaments. Or even glass ornaments made for New Year's Tree. If you see any bow pictured - you see a composite recursive bow. I suspect, Slavs - like Huns or Turks or Mongols - do not even know any other bow, only a composite recursive one.

The main reason the Mongol Horde could never conquer Viet Nam was that their bows literally melted in the Vietnamese heat and humidity.

In West using bow was something lowly. Except the English peasants fighting French knights at Crecy.

have nothing else to say than resort to DNA myths, kitsch statues and anti-Greek propaganda.
(Leonidas)

Not a single kitschy statue of a certain Hellenic king called 'Aleksandar Filipovic' dares to picture him holding a recursive bow.

Looking at any picture starting with Hittite kings and ending with Palekh jewelry box picturing a Russian Bogatyr on a horse - you see that recursive composite bow.

For me the debate is pretty much settled. No recursive composite bow = no Slav.
Macedonians admitted that on all statues they elected in Skopje.

They just did not realize ;-)

That theory should be put on a 100 yard target and let's English longbowmen and traditional central Asian composite bowmen compete, who can hit it better.

Leonidas, Rote can illuminate on Fomenko, I don't know him but I have read what Rote wrote in a few specialized Albo blogs, where we mainly try to deconstruct Albanian mainstream historiography and occasionally that of our neighbors as well. For obvious reasons, Germans focused on the only non-Slavic components of the Balkans, who were Greeks and Albos, trying to somehow support the supposed continuity between the ancient Greeks and the modern ones,Illyrians and Albanians, respectively. I'm not saying they were wrong, all what major scholars everywhere have pointed out is that today's Greeks and Albos are a mix of their byzantine and ottoman roots. Which you already proudly confirmed in one of our previous exchanges, right? There can't be a 'pure blood' Greek, Albanian, Macedonian, or Turk. We are all mixed up. We can't claim what Serbs can, we have all 'betrayed' our ancient glory and roots (assuming we ever had such a glory).

As far as I am concerned, I will always recall what a couple of (geg, northern Albos) friends of mine who had immigrated to Greece told me once 'they opened their doors for us and helped us with anything'. Buke, kripe, e zemer (bread, salt and heart) people of good will always find in my country, as far as I am concerned. History is based on sensibilities, right? :)
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Rote, the Albanian translator of the best book ever written on a medieval Albanian hero by either an Albanian or foreign scholar recently committed suicide. A brilliant mind… Welcome to the Balkans, Rote, where everybody lectures on history and nobody has never read some decent historiography. Take it easy man, one can’t change the Balkans. Macedonians today are Albos, Bulgarians, and Serbs, though.

Leonidas, в Россию можно только верить.. thus I would trust Fomenko. Mother Russia has never backstabbed us, Leonidas. The founder of the Albanian Orthodox Church was ordained as a priest by a Russian bishop while Serbs consecrated our first synod's bishops. Consecrated as Albanian bishops, nor Slavs or Greeks. Maybe Greek bishops would have done that for Albos as well, I mean, but anyway, Slavs resolved to do that. Serbs didn't say 'what Albos? Albo Orthos are all assimilated Serbs, Bulgarians, and Greeks'.

Mother Russia has never backstabbed us, Leonidas. It has been the only shoulder Orthos have always had, where we all, each of us, have always leaned our heads on, our bleeding tired heads. 2 of 2

Regarding algebraic topology and other very important things: you can model certain things pretty well. I have no doubt that as mathematician I suck 100% compared with Fomenko.
However, he clearly over-stepped his abilities on other things.
Ataman

Fomenko is a statistical data cherry-picker .A key rule in statistics is one cannot select matches from the historical record which support his chronology, while ignoring those which do not, thus creating false correlations for his claims. Fomenko’s idea that history is just the diary of the reigns of kings, and that the mathematical relationships between their reigns is as sound as the mathematically relationship of two sides of an algebraic equation, is nonsense of the worst kind no wonder he had to rewrite the Byzantine history to get his correlation to match the English history(Fomenko claims that the Byzantine history is a copy of the English one).This claim can also be rubbished by the written English history kept in the archives of Oxford University whose teaching goes as far as 1096AD.

Leonidas : “Unfortunately, your Bulgarian-speaking Fyromian friends have nothing else to say"

Who knows Leonidas maybe they are the true Greeks but not you! In a Russian film ШИРЛИ-МЫРЛИ there was an episode when a man asks his mother : “Mother tell me as a Russian to a Russian am I a Jew?” Macedonians are proud people and they do not sell their ancestors name. When I respond the 3 promised questions of yours I’ll pay attention to the item. Only it will happen tomorrow.

Leonidas: "Rubbish. Fomenko’s new chronology was called as a fiasco …”

Fomenko is the most popular historian in Russia today with millions of followers because he gives answers to almost all questions that the traditional historians decline. And of course no Academy of Science has ever condemned him as they fear to meet him in open debates. Besides he is an Academic himself. Also Egyptians were Horde’s people sent there to guard and serve in the Imperial Cemetery in Geeze Valley. Those were the Mamelukes and the Copts and we can talk about it. As for Homer he must be living in 16-17 centuries and we can talk about it. Afghans and Persians were Horde’s Cossack and we can talk about it. Olympic games were organized by the Cossacks every 4 year to mark the death of the Savior in 1185 Jerusalem on Bosporus and we can talk about it too. Start to get ready:

http://www.chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/index.html

Leonidas

1.On what criteria did Fomenko base his decision on how far to shift his dates of history?
2 How did fomenko know that the astronomical phenomena recorded in Ptolemy's Almagest and his crude catalogued positions the of 1,028 stars are correct?
3. Why has Fomenko refused to use the Chinese observations


1. They used several independent methods and all of them gave similar results.

http://chronologia.org/en/answers_astronomical.html

2. About Ptolemy's Almagest

http://chronologia.org/en/seven/chronology3.html
http://chronologia.org/en/answers_bib_rus.html

3. Real history of China

http://chronologia.org/en/e_books/chinese_astronomy.html
http://chronologia.org/en/e_books/22_great_wall.html
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/08.html
http://chronologia.org/en/answers_bib_rus.html

He's only accepted questions regarding his mathematical calculations

Leonidas I am happy to see that day after day you learn more about Fomenko. If you do not surrender in a year you will be thinking the way I do. Now if you have a better look at their works you will find out that they implemented all the methods available for the time being. And they gave detailed descriptions of all the methods including their disadvantages.

http://chronologia.org/en/index.html
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/preface.html
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/preface.html#pref2
http://chronologia.org/en/seven/chronology3.html
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/04_34.html#the37
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/06_47.html#the650

Imagine Fomenko telling them that it wasn't China that discovered the compass or the gun powder but it was the Horde what would they say?Imagine telling them that the Great Wall-21500 kilometres lenghth and 9 metres height-was only built recently,what will they say.

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/09_05.html#the908
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/08.html#the806
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/08.html#the805
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/08_07.html
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/09_05.html#the909


Yanin, said about Fomenko.


Who is Yanian and who is Fomenko The Great ! It has become the shortest way to fame to mention yourself in the context of the New Chronology.

Leonidas : “Imagine telling them that the Great Wall-21500 kilometres lenghth and 9 metres height-was only built recently”


Do you really believe that brick can stand the cold and wet climate for 2000 years ? Do you believe that a wall that runs among the mountains could have defensive meaning ? Do you think that the Chinese could built the wall with the loopholes turned southward ? Do you know that half of the walls run from south to the north ? Do you know that a 2700 km wall of the same model was built near Urals and it runs from the north to Orenburg city? Do you believe that the construction could last 10 times longer than the bricks lifetime ? Have you seen how the wall looks like outside the tourist’s routes?

1. They used several independent methods and all of them gave similar results.

I asked you about the criteria he used to determine Ptolemy's "new birth certificate" which is a thousand years younger.I would rather stick with the Roman historiography and the Egyptian inscriptions which have already been dated rather than Fomenko's f..t.Archaeology is probably the most important element in determining ancient dating.

2. About Ptolemy's Almagest

Your link doesn't give any clue as to why Fomenko thinks Ptolemy's
astronomical values are correct.Fomenko just extrapolates his
conspirational propaganda about Scaliger etc.


3. Real history of China

Yes he's right.The 557 ancient Chinese emperors just disappeared so did the 10 million or so ancient documents and inscriptions.They are all fake or written by Joseph Scaliger.One has to admire Scaliger for being able to write the world history in so many different languages.

By intuition, Ataman, one can't excel at math and be a bad chronologist at the same time. And history is all about intuition, I mean personally I've learned a lot by simply watching myself and other Balkaneros and using my intuition rather than by reading history books. And then I think Rote already provided sufficient evidence of Fomenko's brilliance, and I'm loving Fomenko each day more, actually.

Leonidas

You want to hear only what you want to hear. Everything else seems to be crazy for you. Same as I feel when I hear fairy tales about a rather peaceful people (who makes 0,3% of the mankind today) as if they could once seize Eurasia and part of Africa. I also feel insulted when they say that Cyrillic letters were taken from the Greek language. Same as if one can fill a 2 liter bottle from a 1 liter one. It may be a news for you but old Cyrillic had 42 letters while the medieval Greek that in fact is the oldest had only 24. Besides the Slavs developed not only the Cyrillic but also the Glagolitsa (Глаголица). To say nothing that the Etruscan letters all written in old Russian and were translated way back in 19 century by a Pole and then by two Russians. If not the Great Horde the Greeks would remain a small people known only in the Mediterranean. And when you mind Fomenko next time please remember that the Greeks were an important part of the great Slavic conquest. As you must know the first Patriarchs of the Horde were of Greek origin. And when Constantine-I The Great aka Murat-I aka Dmitry-I Ivanovich (Donskoy) introduced the current Apostle Christianity he moved the Roman capital back to Jerusalem (=Troy= Tsar Grad) he took there his Greek Patriarch and made it the religious capitol of the Great Horde. And it correlates well with the Scaliger chronology. Year of 324 + 1053 year shift = 1377. According to Fomenko in 1380.

SO READ THE LINKS THAT I GAVE FIRST !

Ataman : “travel all over globe to change everything. “

LEONIDAS : “Dead right. Neither Fomenko nor his followers have provided any explanation of how someone from medieval Europe convinced the Chinese”


Fomenko gave detailed explanation to every question you both put. Just be patient enough and read it. Ataman has an advantage of the Russian language on which 100 times more information is available. Not only by Fomenko but by many others including foreigners :

http://www.chronologia.org/rare/index.html
http://www.chronologia.org/gxk/index.html
http://www.chronologia.org/articles/index.html
http://www.chronologia.org/conference.html
http://www.chronologia.org/answers.html
http://www.chronologia.org/lit7nx.html
http://www.chronologia.org/history.html
http://www.chronologia.org/bibliography.html

Right now our discussion reminds me a party meeting against Solzhenitsin – I HAVEN’T READ HIM BY MYSELF BUT I CONDEMN ! = САМ НЕ ЧИТАЛ, НО ОСУЖДАЮ …


Drymades

You seem to be the smartest !

I’m not smart, I just use my intuition when it comes to understand the Balkans ;)

Know what? The Komnins (Komnenos) dynasty were somehow connected to the Arianiti, an Albanian noble family that ruled large areas in Albania and neighbouring areas from the 11th to the 16th century, please note that wiki connects Arianiti to both the Komnenos and the Kastrioti families: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianiti_family Can't figure out how they were connected though, and it looks like the secondary surname used by the Arianiti family since the 14th century was Komneni surname: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?85243-Albanian-Feudal-Families

Any clues, Rote? A very good professor of mine has written a good book on the medieval Albania, don’t have it with me right now http://everything.explained.today/Arianiti_family/

Quoting: The Arianiti family also had their coat of arms and other heraldry signs. The double headed eagle emblem was on their heraldic symbols.

See also: Saint Angelina of Serbia, a 15th-century despotess consort of Serbian ruler Stefan Branković. Born Angelina Arianit Komneni, and was a princess and sixth daughter of Albanian noble Gjergj Arianit Komneni, in the time when most of the people of Albania were Orthodox Christians.

Kostandin Arianit Komneni’s sister, Andronika, was the wife of Gjergj Kastrioti, Albania’s national hero.

References in Greek for Leonidas: http://www.scribd.com/doc/232261277/Οι-Αλβανοί-Στο-Μεσαίωνα#scribd

What I mentioned in my previous comment would thoroughly explain why both Russians and Serbian clergy’s highest echelons had no doubts with regards to the Albanian Orthodoxes' right to have their own Ortho church. Say, they were pretty aware that Albos deserved it on both historical and moral grounds.

But the Arianiti Komneni occasionally claimed to be the lords of Macedonia…and there are enclaves of orthodox Albos still living today in Macedonia, alongside the Muslim Albo majority. Well, they live in separate neighborhoods and don’t mingle with Muslims and Slavs. The ‘Macedonian’ state obliges them to refer to themselves as ‘Macedonians’ thus Slavs.

Also, it looks like the Greeks loved so much Alexandros and his being Greek that they actually killed his wife and son… Maybe he just chose the Greek culture…And our scholars have already suggested that he was half-Illyrian, his mother was... Fomenko is the only one who can help us out here. Did he ever focus on Alexander the Great, Rote? Thanks in advance, tavarish. Thanks B92 for the patience, off topic as usually :(

Drymades : “Did he ever focus on Alexander the Great, Rote? Thanks in advance, tavarish. Thanks B92 for the patience, off topic”


There are no issues that Fomenko’s school are declining from. I shall seek for the English version about Alexander. In two words his biography is composed of several ones an+ he could live only in the medieval times. Below are several links where Alexander is mentioned in different contexts. I’ll try to find the Russian version where it’s all in one place.

http://chronologia.org/en/old_books/remezov.html
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/05_11.html
http://chronologia.org/en/nch6_1_bible_rus/index.html
http://chronologia.org/cgi-bin/ks/ksearch.cgi?terms=alexander&display=5&p=2&showm=5&b=1&t=1&d=1&sort=Matches
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/05_30.html
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/06_45.html
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/06_21.html
http://chronologia.org/en/nch2_2_we_change_dates/index.html

But you can seek for it by yourself on

http://www.chronologia.org/

It’s a good link that I use like Wikipedia over almost every issue. If you take the methodology from Fomenko you will become sceptic about the history and political issues. You will notice things that you would never pay attention otherwise. Also I recommend you 24 films over THE NEW CHRONOLOFY OF FOMENKO available in English now. You will enjoy them all. In film 12 they summarize their own version of the history.

In 14-16 centuries all local governors of the world belonged to the Rurikovici Dynasty. In some parts of the world they ruled till 19 century.

So when I hear about Stefan Urosh Silny or Skanderbeu or Vladislav II or any other medieval king I feel disappointed. We can talk about your Skanderbu and you will feel it on your own skin.

Komnin Dynasty was either the Rurikovici Dynasty or they got united in 12-13 centuries. Anyway the Komnin two headed eagle became one of the symbols of the Great Mongol Horde while symbol of the Rurikovici was the hawk taken by Ukraine.

Maria Paleolog aka Mother Mary was a Slav and I am not sure but the Komnins were either a Greek Dynasty from Russia friendly Nicaea … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaea

Jesus spent most of his life in Russia. His hater Nicetas Choniates complained that Andronicus-Christ had Scythian manners and guards whom he spoke their barbarian language. Scythia was one of the names for Russia in Byzantine. … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niketas_Choniates

The Angel Dynasty (Satan) who killed Jesus in 1185 was said to be Armenian and was totally eliminated in 1204 when the Rurikovici seized Jerusalem/Tsar Grad as if in the 4-th Crusaders’ war.

Anyway in the medieval times Russians were sure that Jesus had been a Russian. A so he is painted on the icons all over the world. You won’t find a single one where he looks like a Jew. Also have a good look at the Russian Wikipedia of Andrey Bogoliubsky.

LEONIDAS - 1

“When I asked you for a date you've answered again "recently" without naming a date”

You are talking about someone else as I’ve never declined any direct question of you. Best if you search for the answer directly on the NC cite but if ask me I can say that the Wall was built soon after the defeat of the Great Tartaria/Moscovite Tartaria in 1775 when the Ottomans betrayed Tobolsk stopping the war against Russia. It was then Russia first entered Siberia and Alaska. In 1771 the Enciclopedica Of Britannica gave the Great Tartaria as the biggest state in the world and you can find their detailed maps on the cite. After the fall of this biggest Horde known as the war of Emelian Pugachev all the lands were divided among the Pegin Horde , Muscovy and the USA. T was then that the US rushed to the west of the continent while the wall was built to mark border between the Pegin Horde in Beijing and Romanovs’ Muscovy.

As you know pyramids were built all over the world from China and Indochina to America , Bosnia and France. It was the same Kurgan burial culture of the Scythians with little differences. The biggest pyramids were built in China and there are some 400 of them guarded as military objects now. Because the artefacts show that those are medieval Russian objects with multiple Christian and Muslim symbols inside. The government tries to mask them as hills planting bushes and trees there.

ATAMAN

Tell me please if the following words are synonyms : евреи, жиды, иудеи, израильтяне, говорящие на иврите and tell me please what events happened in Jerusalem between 1500 and 1917 ? Then I ‘ll tell you what happened there 1000 or 2500 or 3000 years ago. Seems that your mind is already closed for any news so let’s stop it here – dream on !

Ataman, I couldn't care less about the whole bunch of Alexos venerated by balkaneros, actually. In my humble opinion, we shouldn't be rejecting Fomenko's theory tout court, fearing that he would deprive us of 'our' official history's milestones. And you know I'm right. One can't put limits on the Russian soul and mind. Call it craziness, attempt to challenge the unchallenged, but it is the same energy that brought Alex everywhere, mainly in the far far East and India, right? At least ideally Alex was one of the greatest Russians ever since I don't know any balkaneros who could claim today to have inherited the same energy. I may be wrong though :)

IRINI : “If you don't want to insult one another”

You are a newcomer here but Leonidas knows that when I mean to insult there remains no room for any “ifs” because it is always evident and it must be the only thing that I can do well. So leave your doubts as we are very close peoples for centuries with not a stain on our relations.

IRINI : “Alexander the Great, his father Philip II and ALL the ancient Macedonians were GREEKS.”

What if I tell you that in 1656 Russian Cossacks in Western Siberia (Tobolsk) found books that run as if “Tsar Aleksandr Makedonski seized this place” and then there goes a description of the rifles that his army used ? Yesterday I gave several links here about Alexander that prove him to live in the medieval times. Yet I have no full picture about him and we can talk about it. But be ready to fail because I’ll destroy all your sources.

As well as Thessaloniki where you live could quite be a Slavic city. As well as I believe that no math could be developed basing on the so called Greek letter-figures like MVIL. Same as I believe that most likely the Slavs granted you the Greek writing because the medieval Cyrillic had 42 letters while the medieval Greek (in fact the oldest!) had only 24 letters.

If only you can keep your temper we can talk a lot of things including issues when the nations appeared first, who were the medieval Greeks and Slavs ect. ect. ect.

IRINI : “we Greeks are one people, one nation.”

OF COURSE YOU ARE !

But I talk about the medieval times when no nations existed till 17-th century as there were no states anywhere. There was one single empire where all peoples were more or less equal as there was only one ruling dynasty that didn’t care what languages their subjects spoke. Important was only how they behaved and how they paid the taxes. So there were no nations in the current but some ethnical groups including your (and mine) ancestors. Yes some of the groups were more equal and those were the Slavs and the Turkic peoples. Meanwhile the Greeks were also a privileged group of the top Orthodox Brahmans.The question is how close you are to those Greeks because very often word the Greeks meant only religious choice. At least so was in Crimea = the Bible Bethlehem.


IRINI : “arrogant like yourself...’’

Irini please behave or go and talk to Rocky and Adrian from Bucharest. If you want to hear the BS stories written in the history books you don’t need me. But if you don’t mind another stance you have to know that for the first 200 years there existed two parallel Christianity branches – the Royal and the Apostle ones. Both were headed by the ruling Rurikovici dynasty members. And what you mean was the stories written by the Royal Christianity followers. Their logic was simple – if Jesus was our ancestor then we are Gods too. So they wrote all those stories about Zeus (Christ), Jupiter, Aristotle ect.

Irini :” in 1821 and we eventually got Greece back … Ottomans treated us badly too”

Irini 1821 was a year when the Greeks obtained their first state in the history. Because they had no need before that as the Greeks were the Ottomans too. Since 1380 when Dmitry Donskoy aka Constantine the Great moved his capitol back to Jerusalem/ Troy/ Tsargrad on Bosphorus when he took with him his Greek Patriarch. Since then Greeks always headed the Great Horde’s Orthodox Church and when the Horde was split in late 16 century they remained at the head of the church of the Ottoman part of the Horde. Osmans (Simeons) was the local name of the Rurikovici to be exact of Constantine-I the Great’s children. This is why all the Sultans spoke Slovenski language while the Greeks were their right hand before 18 century. In late 16 century Islam started to separate from the Orthodox church and the role of the Greeks became smaller. In early 19 century the Oldenburgs provoked the Armenians and the Greeks for revolts and so the two peoples were massacred and the Christian Yanissaries massacred in 1826. But before that the Greeks for centuries enjoyed the Ottoman empire with joint portait of Mehmet II and Patriarch Gennady.

Irini :”our language relies TOTALLY on ancient Greek.”

Natural and the oldest is the medieval Greek.The ancient and the new Greeks were both worked out and implemented in 19 century.Oldenburgs were good professionals!

B92 is SUPER !

The question is how close you are to those Greeks ?
(rote, 14 December 2015 11:09)

Let me repeat what I've said many times before.No serious historian would ever claim that modern peoples are direct descendants of ancient peoples, at least in terms of DNA. What really matters is continuation (e.g. culture, language, occasionally religion) which ensures the historical sense of an evolving community through time. In other words, modern Greeks have many features enabling them to look back to antiquity (including the Macedonians who both spoke an unrefined Greek dialect, as most foreign scholars admit nowadays, and *voluntarily* adopted features of the primarily Athenian Greek culture).Unfortunately,your Bulgarian-speaking Fyromian friends have nothing else to say than resort to DNA myths, kitsch statues and anti-Greek propaganda.

Regarding algebraic topology and other very important things: you can model certain things pretty well. I have no doubt that as mathematician I suck 100% compared with Fomenko.

However, he clearly over-stepped his abilities on other things.

His theory is nice - but the big trouble with such medicine is when it causes more problems than the illness it tries to cure.

On practical reasons for now I have to firmly reject Fomenko's theories simply because they raise more questions than the answers they provide to unanswered questions.

The only logical answer to these new questions is to allege a conspiracy of unknown scale worldwide. The organization of such conspiracy would require unbelievable amount of money.

I firmly believe, such money just wasn't available to the party which was allegedly interested to organize such conspiracy. It would also require extensive contacts and extensive and fast and safe travels across the globe. In 16th - 17th - 18th century it was impossible, internet and fax wasn't invented.

А вот от того что Александр Македонский был герой - стулья ломать не надо.
"Работали" они там как знаю фалангой, причём особой, македонской. С колоссальными копьями. И конницей. Но ничего подобного типа среднеазиатского лука на войне не использовали.

Зато полиция - изпользовала. Полицаями греки в тех-же Афинах как раз скифов и нанимали. Скифский лук против криминалов и насильников более удобен чем фаланга.

Кто были скифы - не ясно (славяне - тюрки - мадьяры - гунны итд итп).

Ясно только то, что Александр Македонский не славянин, не мадьяр, не гунн, не тюрк. Он там грек, тракиец, албанец, кем они там его хотят назвать, на здоровье им.

Sorry for the bad English and not-yet-existing French ;-)

Noted, Rote. Already copied the links and yes, the English translation is awful, unfortunately. Certainly, for a 'Brit or US' mind, this kind of translation jeopardizes the complete comprehension of Fomenko's theory. And an Easterner like me needs to double-read everything. Ok, hvala hvala hvala, would have shouted my fav 'Macedonian' singer Vllade Divljan ;)

Most of the ideas and the methodology were granted by the outstanding Russian mathematician Anatoly Fomenko who for 42 years now reveals the real history of the mankind. He and his team from Moscow University have written about 40 books and shoot dozens of films.
rote
Rubbish. Fomenko’s new chronology was called as a fiasco and embarrassment for Russia by Russian academy of Science and it was awarded the title of ("Pochotnaya bezgramota") for the worst book published in Russia

I have problems with almost all other Balkan peoples. Alexander if he ever existed could be only a Slav. Because no other people in the past could seize such vast territories but the Slavs.
Rote

He existed alright.So say the Greeks,Romans,Egyptians,Persians,Afgans etc.His ancestry was considered Hellenic since the times of Hesiod and Homer, his dynasty was recognized as ethnically Greek since at least the Graeco-Persian wars,he took part in the olympic games as a Greek national and proclaimed Hegemon of the Hellenes a year later, succeeding Philip who also held the title.

Ну ничего... вот гунны-то как раз уграми скорее всего и не были. Гунны себя гуннами никогда не звали. Как и угры себя уграми не зовут. Это всё племенные союзы, обычно двуязычные (или многоязычные). Есть определённая связь с Кавказом - как и что мало известно и только гадают.

Одно могу сказать: шумеры тоже с Кавказа на юг попали. А матерится на шумерском тут каждый может.

Это не означает что венгерский язык вроде потомок шумерского - но вот структуры похожие и большое количество родственных слов налицо.

Однако даже это считается псевдонаукой и доказательства слишком слабы.

А Фоменко... лучше уж ему остатся при алгебраической топологии, сорри.

Hej Ataman you said that Albanian eagle has two heads like Russian and Serb eagles. That is not true because our eagle has two heads too but they represent Kosova and Albania. When we unite together we will unite the two heads of the eagle and our eagle will have just one head like the German eagle.

"Не мoжеш пo мaгaретo пa удри пo сaмaрoт".
Гoсoдинoт Дaчиќ се нaфрли пo Мaкедoнијa нo зoштo не се нaфрли нa Фрaнцијa,Итaлијa.Гермaнијa,САД, В.Бритaнијa...?
Дa не зaбoрaвиме Дaчиќ кaкo гo зaбaвувaше сo свoјoт тaлент зa пеење и хумор на свечените вечери премиерот на Албанија Еди Рама, земја која се смета за матична држава на сите Албанци?
Зошто баш сега пред претседателските избори во Србија му текна да се конфронтира само со помалите држави во Европа како Македонија или Црна Гора, а не и со другите гореспоменати?Дали Дачиќ се плаши истите негови изливи на шовинизам да ги изрази кон другите 134 земји кoи гo признaa Кoсoвo. Гoспoдине Дaчиќ ефтинo пре ефтинo е тoa штo гo прaвите.

This Milosevic puppy - don't think Kosovo failed membership - it's 92 countries and the most powerful countries on earth - including our neighbours, good neighbor Republic of Macedonia and MNE.
This shows who is stronger - it doesn't matter the numbers. You managed the small minority including Congo, Zimbambve & Syria..
You milosevic puppy the idea of blocking is short lived.
So was Milosevic idea short lived and dead.

“Serbia recognized Macedonia under that name, unlike (other) European states, but that was done under (Slobodan) Milosevic, in the 1990s. While Macedonia has recognized Kosovo and is now bothered by some sign. … Macedonia was among 92 UNESCO members who in early November supported Pristina's failed bid to join the organization.”

Naming is an important part of developing a trade mark/brand. But we don’t have to become prostitutes each time adopting our stance to the current demands. Greece is a very important part os the Orthodox world but it does not mean that we must agree to everything they insist on. No matter how bad the Macedonians behave we should mind that “the truth is a bigger friend”. And the truth is that Alexander Fillipovic could not be a Greek. If he have ever existed he could be only a Slav because no other people in the world could have such a big and an advanced army but the Slavs. Not only Serbia but Russia and most of the former Soviet republics consider Macedonia as Macedonia. Otherwise we should call Greece as FOVC – Former Ottoman Velayat of Crete. Because on the old maps (that weren’t made after 17 century) you will find only one mentioning of Greece - the Crete Island. Then we can say FSRE as Former Soviet Republic of Estonia, FBCA = Former British Colony of America ect. What is most important Alexander Macedonski never existed as one man. His biography included life stories of several men.

Kind of hard to do Sasha when his inner chetnik still tells him that it is 'an artificial state part of Velika Srbija'.

FYROM is a name which must remain for Macedonia. If they wish to backstab their neighbors, then they must live in a country which is known by the FYROM acronym... Serbia must never support a name change for FYROM until FYROM proves that it is a true slavic brother...

How dare FYROM betray the Serbs, their slavic brothers, they behaved like prostitutes, obviously taking bribes or some incentives from the West to vote against Serbia, they slept with the enemy, the enemy which recognizes only one name for FYROM and that is FYROM...

How can Europe ever be united when we are so divided, look at our balkan neighborhood, slavic brothers are betraying their own bloodline, they are selling out, they wish to line their pockets with diamond's, yes my friends, blood diamonds and they do not care that they have blood on their hands, as long as their greedy pockets are filled they are willing to stab anyone in the back, even their brother...

Since FYROM stabbed the Serbs in the back, maybe we should recognize FYROM as a part of greece, maybe that sign should be removed and instead of FYROM it should say greece...! You see, how would that make you feel, would it make you feel loved, or stabbed in the back, are you greek or are you slavic? If you are slavic then start acting slavic, support your brother, do not prostitute yourself as we will all see you without your clothes and you will be humiliated as you are now being the FYROM of the balkans...

Thankfully our wish was granted.
(Donkey Hoxha, 11 December 2015 15:50)
You will see ur wish in 2 years time - you won't have Bashar Al Assad helping guy with the vote then - and I am sure you won't have Robert Magabi from Zimbabwe by then. We talking here the most powerful nations on earth were in support - do you think they will just give up... ? Answer it's NO
Macedonia & MNE contributed to good neighbor hood which is why MNE and soon Macedonia will integrate in NATI and EU.
Your Serbia - let's see. Who is going to support you on that.

This shows who is stronger
(Naim, 11 December 2015 11:23)

Yeah it was Serbia. Trust me, there's a lot of people in the countries that voted for you who didn't want you in UNESCO. Thankfully our wish was granted.

FYROM !

SKOPJE !

MACEDONIA !

"FIROM" is the Greek propaganda for the past 23 years.Greece is fearing of losing somthing which never belonged to them.

Dacic,should get over it and only have business with them only when it favoirs/interests Serbia.

It seems very straightforward to me. Serbia has recognised the country whose capital is Skopje as "The Republic of Macedonia". However, Dacic and his mates are sorely annoyed with Macedonia over the UNESCO vote so to retaliate they have put up this sign. If Ivica and friends are unhappy with decisions made under Milosevic (who I thought was his mentor) they should change them through the constitution, not play childish games. To rise above the fray is, more often than not, the nobler thing to do.

FINALLY!!! It's about time that we show our neighbours that we will reciprocate in kind.

Drymades : “Macedonians' as such are an invention of Tito's academy”

I have other than most people vision of the history. For instance today I spent several hours studying the life stories of the Serbian saints. With few exclusions I found the same strange things as with the Russian ones.

But I am not so sceptic about the documents dated before 17 century. To be exact dated before 1563 when the Smuta time started in the Great Horde. It ended in 1612 with the German (Romanovs) coup when the whole history of mankind was rewritten including the Russian.

Many of the current problems here were planted in 18-19 centuries. The Greek issue though is rather evident for me as there had never been an "ancient" or any other Greece before 1821. If you have any proof of the opposite feel free to list and I’ll destroy it despite my personal sympathy for the people that is called Greeks today.

With the Macedonians it’s not so simple. I only know that Macedonians were always mentioned as Slavs while the Balkans were marked only as ВЕЛИКОЕ КНЯЖЕСТВО БУЛГАРСКОЕ and it included all the lands with Greece, Macedonia, what is called Albania, Serbia, ect.

It was a mistake of the Greeks to create this naming problem with Macedonia. Because most likely Alexander Macedonski was one of the tales written by the Oldenburgs.

And of course the treason of the Macedonians and the Montenegrins deprived them of Serbia as the only possibble ally they could enjoy against the Shqiptars.

Romania is a slavic country why it is not includet in a slavic union of the Balkan ?

Well more exactly is Italian 25% Latin 35% Slavic 25% Gipsy 15%

IRINI : “If you don't want to insult one another”

You are a newcomer here but Leonidas knows that when I mean to insult there remains no room for any “ifs” because it is always evident and it must be the only thing that I can do well. So leave your doubts as we are very close peoples for centuries with not a stain on our relations.

IRINI : “Alexander the Great, his father Philip II and ALL the ancient Macedonians were GREEKS.”

What if I tell you that in 1656 Russian Cossacks in Western Siberia (Tobolsk) found books that run as if “Tsar Aleksandr Makedonski seized this place” and then there goes a description of the rifles that his army used ? Yesterday I gave several links here about Alexander that prove him to live in the medieval times. Yet I have no full picture about him and we can talk about it. But be ready to fail because I’ll destroy all your sources.

As well as Thessaloniki where you live could quite be a Slavic city. As well as I believe that no math could be developed basing on the so called Greek letter-figures like MVIL. Same as I believe that most likely the Slavs granted you the Greek writing because the medieval Cyrillic had 42 letters while the medieval Greek (in fact the oldest!) had only 24 letters.

If only you can keep your temper we can talk a lot of things including issues when the nations appeared first, who were the medieval Greeks and Slavs ect. ect. ect.

IRINI : “we Greeks are one people, one nation.”

OF COURSE YOU ARE !

But I talk about the medieval times when no nations existed till 17-th century as there were no states anywhere. There was one single empire where all peoples were more or less equal as there was only one ruling dynasty that didn’t care what languages their subjects spoke. Important was only how they behaved and how they paid the taxes. So there were no nations in the current but some ethnical groups including your (and mine) ancestors. Yes some of the groups were more equal and those were the Slavs and the Turkic peoples. Meanwhile the Greeks were also a privileged group of the top Orthodox Brahmans.The question is how close you are to those Greeks because very often word the Greeks meant only religious choice. At least so was in Crimea = the Bible Bethlehem.


IRINI : “arrogant like yourself...’’

Irini please behave or go and talk to Rocky and Adrian from Bucharest. If you want to hear the BS stories written in the history books you don’t need me. But if you don’t mind another stance you have to know that for the first 200 years there existed two parallel Christianity branches – the Royal and the Apostle ones. Both were headed by the ruling Rurikovici dynasty members. And what you mean was the stories written by the Royal Christianity followers. Their logic was simple – if Jesus was our ancestor then we are Gods too. So they wrote all those stories about Zeus (Christ), Jupiter, Aristotle ect.

Irini :” in 1821 and we eventually got Greece back … Ottomans treated us badly too”

Irini 1821 was a year when the Greeks obtained their first state in the history. Because they had no need before that as the Greeks were the Ottomans too. Since 1380 when Dmitry Donskoy aka Constantine the Great moved his capitol back to Jerusalem/ Troy/ Tsargrad on Bosphorus when he took with him his Greek Patriarch. Since then Greeks always headed the Great Horde’s Orthodox Church and when the Horde was split in late 16 century they remained at the head of the church of the Ottoman part of the Horde. Osmans (Simeons) was the local name of the Rurikovici to be exact of Constantine-I the Great’s children. This is why all the Sultans spoke Slovenski language while the Greeks were their right hand before 18 century. In late 16 century Islam started to separate from the Orthodox church and the role of the Greeks became smaller. In early 19 century the Oldenburgs provoked the Armenians and the Greeks for revolts and so the two peoples were massacred and the Christian Yanissaries massacred in 1826. But before that the Greeks for centuries enjoyed the Ottoman empire with joint portait of Mehmet II and Patriarch Gennady.

Irini :”our language relies TOTALLY on ancient Greek.”

Natural and the oldest is the medieval Greek.The ancient and the new Greeks were both worked out and implemented in 19 century.Oldenburgs were good professionals!

B92 is SUPER !

To itwas,
Like itwas Chetniks have died as they fought doing the 2 nd war.As well ,itwas that you are dumb to think a leader of the Socialist Party ,is for Royalty or Kingdom .Socialist Party is against Royalty,while Chetniks fought for the King!.You knuckleheads ,get how silly you sound!.

I just feel sad over the many Serbs that live in Fyrom. Serbia has an obligation to protect them too especially over Albanian terrorism in Fyrom. But slowly these Serbs are getting Fyromized. So soon they will forget their Serbian heritage like the many Fyrom's did. They forgot where most of their blood came from.

MikeC : “thousand gypsies flooding Europe”


Some peoples were formed in the middle ages as a castеs and Gypsies were one of them. They watched after the Roman roads and such a life has developed mobility and some of their current traditions. Another people to form from a professional sect (a closed caste) was the Jews responsible for the taxes and the finance in the Great Horde. The Greeks initially were a caste of the Orthodox Brahmans while in many regions of the Ottoman Empire all Orthodox peoples regardless of their languages were called the Greeks. Unlike the Jews and the Roma the Greeks have formed a new pure nation with their legend mentality and new traditions. Israel is in the same trend while the Roma have zero chance to have a state and thus transform the Roma people into a Roma nation. Today we have castes only in India but in the middle ages India (Indea) was one of the names of the Horde. Not only the Gypsies but all the rest belonged to a the caste. Some were Popovici some were Boyars (Cossacks) ect. Maybe Serbs initially were a caste too. Because in old Horde’s books there was a word SRB for the state servants including the Cossacks where letter “B” could sound both as «Б» or Cyrillic «В». So Serbs could just be Cossacks deplyed on Balkans. And it can explain why so many monasteries for the retired Boyars were built here. All Russian saints initially were Boyars and so must be in Serbia.

Irini ; ‘Slavs came in the Balkans in the 6th century AD. We Greeks were in ancient Greeks since 4,000 AD.’’

There was no writing before 10-th century and this is why we know nothing for real about that period.


Irini : "As for the strength of the ancient Greek Army, if it wasn't for Leonidas and Sparta ...’’

What you talk about was the medieval Horde’s army. Greeks could merely serve there as they were a closed caste of the priests/brahmans of the empire while the Spartans were Slav/Turkic Cossacks. So they led ascetic life and trained between the Peloponnese wars as we are persuaded now. If you disagree please explain what was the sense for the Spartans to fight Athens if they weren’t interested in material goods and wealth and could hardly control their own peasants ?


Irini : "Rote, have you graduated from high school

Yes but history is only my hobby.


Irini let’s leave alone Greece for a while to show you that the picture with falsification was the same everywhere else. So please tell me how could it be that one of the Spanish provinces and the small Portugal divided the whole world and nobody minded it in late 15 century or later ? They signed a treaty and neither Russia, nor the Ottomans or Germany nor Britain – just nobody minded it! Moreover 3 Popes released their Bullas to legalize the division!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tordesillas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter_caetera

Leonidas : “… ancient aliens built the pyramids, the Parthenon, the Great Wall of China, the Sphinx, the Statue of Liberty and the White House”

The pyramids, the Parthenon, the Great Wall of China, the Sphinx, were built under the Horde’s rule while the Statue of Liberty and the White House were built by the Odenburgs I think. It took them time which of the two languages to make legal in America – German or English. Though it did not matter much for them as they controlled all German lands , Britain, Russia, Greece, Finland, Denmark, Holland, Sweden ect. Odenburgs were the founders of the USA and I can tell you how it was in reality as 80-90% of the American history is a lie too. But I suggest to stop testing the b92 patience today.

ha ha... Kind of like after 90+ countries recognized Kosovo and Serbia had a fit when Ghana did it and closed their embassy, finally deciding to show everyone who's boss.

Leonidas

1.On what criteria did Fomenko base his decision on how far to shift his dates of history?
2 How did fomenko know that the astronomical phenomena recorded in Ptolemy's Almagest and his crude catalogued positions the of 1,028 stars are correct?
3. Why has Fomenko refused to use the Chinese observations


1. They used several independent methods and all of them gave similar results.

http://chronologia.org/en/answers_astronomical.html

2. About Ptolemy's Almagest

http://chronologia.org/en/seven/chronology3.html
http://chronologia.org/en/answers_bib_rus.html

3. Real history of China

http://chronologia.org/en/e_books/chinese_astronomy.html
http://chronologia.org/en/e_books/22_great_wall.html
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/08.html
http://chronologia.org/en/answers_bib_rus.html

He's only accepted questions regarding his mathematical calculations

Leonidas I am happy to see that day after day you learn more about Fomenko. If you do not surrender in a year you will be thinking the way I do. Now if you have a better look at their works you will find out that they implemented all the methods available for the time being. And they gave detailed descriptions of all the methods including their disadvantages.

http://chronologia.org/en/index.html
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/preface.html
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/preface.html#pref2
http://chronologia.org/en/seven/chronology3.html
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/04_34.html#the37
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/06_47.html#the650

Imagine Fomenko telling them that it wasn't China that discovered the compass or the gun powder but it was the Horde what would they say?Imagine telling them that the Great Wall-21500 kilometres lenghth and 9 metres height-was only built recently,what will they say.

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/09_05.html#the908
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/08.html#the806
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/08.html#the805
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/08_07.html
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/09_05.html#the909


Yanin, said about Fomenko.


Who is Yanian and who is Fomenko The Great ! It has become the shortest way to fame to mention yourself in the context of the New Chronology.

Why is Montenegro joining NATO? Because of us, obviously. They don't fear Russia, they fear Albanians...Will it pay off? This recent trend of being a regional prostitute, I mean? Well, I wouldn't bet one single penny, an independent Kosovo will tempt us forever, I mean, and Serbia doesn't really want it back. They want just to somehow defend the few Serbs left in the area and the community would only guarantee a decent living for them. We all know that Serbs are some of the Balkan's more mitteleuropish dudes. They belong to the EU, have always, and would have already been a part of it if it weren't for Berlin's hawks. Sure, Serbs in Belgrade owe something to those innocent Serbs of Kosovo, is the least they can do. Otherwise, nobody is longing to take over Kosovo again, not Serbs at least. They lost Kosovo and they are aware of this. And know what, I think they don't even want it back cause Kosovo is lost for everyone, forever gone, gone with those bombs on Belgrade, gone with the muxhahedins fighting alongside Albos. Lost for everyone, unfortunately. Just one of the worst crimes around, basically.

Well, I'm being beyond amazing today!! Happy weekend to everybody, stay warm and be positive. As those glorious Albos who fought in the International Brigade during the Spanish Civil War would have said - Hasta la Victoria Siempre :)

If Serbia wants to play this silly game, then Macedonia should respond by erecting a sign on its border in the Serbian direction stating ' Republic of Yugoslavia'. Serbia ( YU ) had no right to manipulate it's neighbour to please it's Greek masters. Serbia is a thorn in the Balkan foot. Always has always will.

LEONIDAS - 1

“When I asked you for a date you've answered again "recently" without naming a date”

You are talking about someone else as I’ve never declined any direct question of you. Best if you search for the answer directly on the NC cite but if ask me I can say that the Wall was built soon after the defeat of the Great Tartaria/Moscovite Tartaria in 1775 when the Ottomans betrayed Tobolsk stopping the war against Russia. It was then Russia first entered Siberia and Alaska. In 1771 the Enciclopedica Of Britannica gave the Great Tartaria as the biggest state in the world and you can find their detailed maps on the cite. After the fall of this biggest Horde known as the war of Emelian Pugachev all the lands were divided among the Pegin Horde , Muscovy and the USA. T was then that the US rushed to the west of the continent while the wall was built to mark border between the Pegin Horde in Beijing and Romanovs’ Muscovy.

As you know pyramids were built all over the world from China and Indochina to America , Bosnia and France. It was the same Kurgan burial culture of the Scythians with little differences. The biggest pyramids were built in China and there are some 400 of them guarded as military objects now. Because the artefacts show that those are medieval Russian objects with multiple Christian and Muslim symbols inside. The government tries to mask them as hills planting bushes and trees there.

Leonidas

If you believe that I trust the Russian monks more than the Greek ones you are mistaken as our churches have zero contradictions. Partly because their basic books have been refined by the same people. Those were the same Oldenburgs who created Greece only in Russia they used Romanovs trade mark. The change happened due to the new patriarch who was younger brother of the first Romanov Tsar Mikhail.

Initially those were the Italian and Dutch Benedictines later in 17-18 century - the Italian humanist Jesuits with the mentioned Jean Hardouin among them. Yet his stance was very close to what Fomenko says. Hardouin criticized another famous scientist Isaak Newton over chronology calculations. According to Newton only 300 years in the Roman and Greek history never existed while Hardouin insisted on 1800 years shift.

According to Fomenko fakes are 333 years in the Byzantine history, 1053 in the Roman and 1780-1800 in the Greek one. Hardouin enjoyed absolute respect all over the continent because of his encyclopedical knowledge but his 11 books of history researches were forbidden soon after edited in 1715.

When at home I’ll give you info about other European scientists who thought similar with Fomenko. Mention that before 18 century chronology was part mathematics and only after that the historians privatized the process. Yet all criticized J.Scaliger for writing the basic artifact books that his theory of history was lacking.

Leonidas

Thanks to your archive you can see that Fomenko proved to be persuasive. All because he gives multiple documents and other proves to support his every theory. For instance concerning Alexander of Macedon they say that they haven’t examined the issue but they gave many arguments that this man could live only in 15-16 centuries. According to them Alexander’s story is a combined one and it included stories of Issus Navin (new Jesus) and Suleiman the Magnificient.

In some of the chronic he is exposed as a Muslim and a Slav that does not contradict. In the medieval times Greek could quite mean religious belief of a man. Especially if you remember that there were no nations before the fall of the Horde when all inside the city walls were one – no matter what languages they spoke and what God they believed.

As for the conspiracy I have to say that the new rulers of Europe were Russians as well. Those were former Horde’s governors of the territories and they needed arguments to explain their right for the power in their regions. It ended with 130 years of reformation wars as you know. But in historical issues they all were united and well motivated.

Long live B92's Olympic patience !

ATAMAN

Tell me please if the following words are synonyms : евреи, жиды, иудеи, израильтяне, говорящие на иврите and tell me please what events happened in Jerusalem between 1500 and 1917 ? Then I ‘ll tell you what happened there 1000 or 2500 or 3000 years ago. Seems that your mind is already closed for any news so let’s stop it here – dream on !

Ataman, I couldn't care less about the whole bunch of Alexos venerated by balkaneros, actually. In my humble opinion, we shouldn't be rejecting Fomenko's theory tout court, fearing that he would deprive us of 'our' official history's milestones. And you know I'm right. One can't put limits on the Russian soul and mind. Call it craziness, attempt to challenge the unchallenged, but it is the same energy that brought Alex everywhere, mainly in the far far East and India, right? At least ideally Alex was one of the greatest Russians ever since I don't know any balkaneros who could claim today to have inherited the same energy. I may be wrong though :)

Good point, Rote, but unfortunately we all represent small countries, which cannot afford a principled stance on almost nothing. To the best of my knowledge, 'Macedonians' as such are an invention of Tito's academy and the so-called Macedonians are in fact Albanians, Bulgarians, and to a lesser extents Serbs, and those people have nothing to do with the ancient Greek region - Macedonia although they have lived in the area for centuries. No need to become prostitutes, you wrote. Sure, in theory I agree. But we have all ended up becoming prostitutes in the Balkans, Rote. It's not our fault if any single damn stupid insignificant Balkanic state has its own minorities in the neighboring countries. Albanians can destroy Macedonia and Montenegro in two months if we only wanted to, that's why Macedonians and Montenegrins are being recently so friendly with us. I'm pretty sure they hate Albos much more than any Serb has ever had ;) In my opinion, in theory you're right but in practice Balkans are all about how to be a successful prostitute in our stupid neighborhood since the major ones are all based somewhere else.

Serbia should make new decision (without revoking previous one) to call FYROM 'North Macedonia'.

Dacic said at the time Belgrade was "disappointed, but not surprised" by its neighbors' behavior, and stressed their move was "deeply contrary to our national interests."

Ok, but how would putting a sign reading "FYROM" at the border contribute to get Macedonia's vote in the next UNESCO voting in a couple of years from now?

I do get it that putting the "FYROM" sign gives some Serbs some spiritual pleasure :) but on the practical side, not sure what is the foreign policy objective that Serbia aims to achieve by putting the "FYROM" sign?! With such childish actions (i.e. pointless revenge instead of trying to convince others) it's no surprise that Serbia's diplomacy fails over and over again to get a majority of countries to support Serbia's positions in regards to Kosovo.

Leonidas : “Imagine telling them that the Great Wall-21500 kilometres lenghth and 9 metres height-was only built recently”


Do you really believe that brick can stand the cold and wet climate for 2000 years ? Do you believe that a wall that runs among the mountains could have defensive meaning ? Do you think that the Chinese could built the wall with the loopholes turned southward ? Do you know that half of the walls run from south to the north ? Do you know that a 2700 km wall of the same model was built near Urals and it runs from the north to Orenburg city? Do you believe that the construction could last 10 times longer than the bricks lifetime ? Have you seen how the wall looks like outside the tourist’s routes?

@Goran:

"Serbia should make new decision (without revoking previous one) to call FYROM 'North Macedonia'.

This is EXACTLY what FYRoM wants. They know that they can't get far with their demand to be called Macedonia. So in the end they want something like a "northern Macedonia" and another Macedonia at their south, so that they can claim that it's the very same land which was once split. FYRoM is using the name Macedonia to justify their territorial claims over Greece. We Greeks built half of southern Italy. Many Italian cities, including Napoli, have Greek names. Have you ever seen a Greek complaining about that? Of course not, we are proud. The problem between us and FYRoM is that FYRoM is using the name Macedonia to boost ultra nationalism and justify their "greater plans". Just like Albanians want a "great Albania".

You know Goran, your ancestors 100 years ago knew damn well Macedonia. Damn well. It was Tito who re-baptized Vardarska as Macedonia.

Greetings from Thessaloniki, the city in northern Greece, where the one and ONLY Macedonia exists, the land of Alexander the Macedon!

As for you Rote, open a history book. The world teaches our history. I'm, surprised that a Russian doesn't even know the basic stuff. See, your ancestors once upon and time used to know my land damn well, too. But I guess you have no real relation with your ancestors, do you?

Its called Tit for Tat and I think Serbia is doing a good job. By the way, Kosovo will not have Schengen visas.

Serbia must be very cautious in what actions she takes out of anger. Each time she has done so in the past, she has lived to regret it.

Rote, be careful in trying to rewrite history, you do not have the mental capacity. You will only succeed in foolishly claiming that your grandfather is your son.

Leonidas

1.On what criteria did Fomenko base his decision on how far to shift his dates of history?
2 How did fomenko know that the astronomical phenomena recorded in Ptolemy's Almagest and his crude catalogued positions the of 1,028 stars are correct?
3. Why has Fomenko refused to use the Chinese observations


Leonidas those are very good questions and when I am at home tonight I’ll respond them with Fomenko’s aid. Please read the links that I’ll give to you. Right now I’d like to remind you that the Greeks played a very big role in the history of mankind but that role was quite different from what you and Irini think now. For centuries the Greeks headed the Orthodox church of the whole Great (Mongol-Tatar) Horde from Britain to India, from Japan to America and from Africa to Russia. Also I suppose that the Great Khans/Kniazes of the Great Horde had much of the Greek blood. Their ruling Rurikovici dynasty had Komnin routes of the Byzantine Emperors. And you can see the Komnin’s family two headed eagle of the Russian, Serbian and the Shqiptar flags today. Greeks were the Brahmans of the world and this is why we use Greeks words for the Savior today. The question is how close you are to those Greeks ?

Leonidas : “Unfortunately, your Bulgarian-speaking Fyromian friends have nothing else to say"

Who knows Leonidas maybe they are the true Greeks but not you! In a Russian film ШИРЛИ-МЫРЛИ there was an episode when a man asks his mother : “Mother tell me as a Russian to a Russian am I a Jew?” Macedonians are proud people and they do not sell their ancestors name. When I respond the 3 promised questions of yours I’ll pay attention to the item. Only it will happen tomorrow.

Leonidas: "Rubbish. Fomenko’s new chronology was called as a fiasco …”

Fomenko is the most popular historian in Russia today with millions of followers because he gives answers to almost all questions that the traditional historians decline. And of course no Academy of Science has ever condemned him as they fear to meet him in open debates. Besides he is an Academic himself. Also Egyptians were Horde’s people sent there to guard and serve in the Imperial Cemetery in Geeze Valley. Those were the Mamelukes and the Copts and we can talk about it. As for Homer he must be living in 16-17 centuries and we can talk about it. Afghans and Persians were Horde’s Cossack and we can talk about it. Olympic games were organized by the Cossacks every 4 year to mark the death of the Savior in 1185 Jerusalem on Bosporus and we can talk about it too. Start to get ready:

http://www.chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/index.html

In 14-16 centuries all local governors of the world belonged to the Rurikovici Dynasty. In some parts of the world they ruled till 19 century.

So when I hear about Stefan Urosh Silny or Skanderbeu or Vladislav II or any other medieval king I feel disappointed. We can talk about your Skanderbu and you will feel it on your own skin.

Komnin Dynasty was either the Rurikovici Dynasty or they got united in 12-13 centuries. Anyway the Komnin two headed eagle became one of the symbols of the Great Mongol Horde while symbol of the Rurikovici was the hawk taken by Ukraine.

Maria Paleolog aka Mother Mary was a Slav and I am not sure but the Komnins were either a Greek Dynasty from Russia friendly Nicaea … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaea

Jesus spent most of his life in Russia. His hater Nicetas Choniates complained that Andronicus-Christ had Scythian manners and guards whom he spoke their barbarian language. Scythia was one of the names for Russia in Byzantine. … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niketas_Choniates

The Angel Dynasty (Satan) who killed Jesus in 1185 was said to be Armenian and was totally eliminated in 1204 when the Rurikovici seized Jerusalem/Tsar Grad as if in the 4-th Crusaders’ war.

Anyway in the medieval times Russians were sure that Jesus had been a Russian. A so he is painted on the icons all over the world. You won’t find a single one where he looks like a Jew. Also have a good look at the Russian Wikipedia of Andrey Bogoliubsky.

Meanwhile in Greece, many of the signs still say Yugoslavia when heading to Macedonia and they don't look 25 years old, but rather new.

Irini Thessaloniki : “As for you Rote, open a history book. The world teaches our history. I'm, surprised that a Russian doesn't even know the basic stuff ...”

Irini we won’t discuss evident things like spiritual brotherhood of our peoples and hence we won’t insult one another. Especially in a shqiptar terrarium like this. Besides my mother and my daughter both have Irina names. Let’s try to be reasonable because Leonidas fails to be as such each time I question things concerned Greece. And it’s not only a Greek problem but of almost all the countries in the Eurasian and American continents. Their all histories have been “improved” in 17-19 centuries. If you ask me about the Russian history I’ll give you the long long list of what is wrong here. Concerning Greece I believe that :

1/ The ancient Greece we are told has never existed. This theory appeared first in 17 century we can talk about it (WCTAI) to support the fake history of the never existed Rome in Italy. Nobody could check it as the territory was under the Ottomans.

2/ Later when in 1821 the territory was set free the Oldenburgs decided to call it Greece (WCTAI) and included it to their empire though on really old maps only one place was marked Greece and it was the Crete Island.

3/ In the medieval times in Crimea, Ukraine and other places Geeks were not an ethnical group but those who belonged to the Orthodox Church no matter if they were Jews or Tatars or Russians or Ellins and sure WCTAI too.

Irini Thessaloniki : “As for you Rote, open a history book. The world teaches our history.”

4/ I do not think that Greeks have ever existed as one people. So was with all other peoples that were formed as professional castes of the Great Horde – Kurds (Horde’s Cossacks), the Jews (taxes and finance) , Gypsies (Roads) ect. Greeks composed the highest Orthodox Brahman caste but they were never united.

5/ There are 3 literature Greek languages – the ancient, the medieval and the new one. The oldest is the medieval because the two others were made by the Oldenburgs. So the medieval Greek is the language SOME people in Byzantine spoke. I once heard a Caucasian Greek trying to speak a student from Athens. You know how amusing it could be because one of them spoke almost Turkish.

6/ For centuries there were no news about the Greeks, no documents, no artefacts, no grave stones – just nothing and WCTAI if you ask.

7/ The role of the Greeks in the history was rather big but it was quite different from what you believe in. WCTAI if you ask me about the Cossack Olympics and the trophy Ottoman Parthenon with Mariam’s Mosque inside. People like Schliemann did the job … I’ll give you pictures with mosques and minarets by Parthenon’s side and the Ottoman people’s houses cleaned later. Just chose any theme you like to discuss.

Drymades : “Do you want me to join you in your efforts to deconstruct Balkans' mainstream historiography, tavarish? I will … I don't know where mega Alexandros was from, but I can hardly believe he was of Slavic origins, despite my simpathy for the Slavs.”


Of course I would like someone to join me not to look like a finished idiot here ! Unfortunately history textbooks have no mentioning of the initial sources of the information they spread. Those are fiction stories to be studied at literature lessons. Maximum you can expect are the links of other fairy tales they used to write the mainstream fake history. If you lie once you will have to lie all the time and it is exactly what we can see in the history we were imposed in 17-19 centuries.

Most of the ideas and the methodology were granted by the outstanding Russian mathematician Anatoly Fomenko who for 42 years now reveals the real history of the mankind. He and his team from Moscow University have written about 40 books and shoot dozens of films.

I have problems with almost all other Balkan peoples. Alexander if he ever existed could be only a Slav. Because no other people in the past could seize such vast territories but the Slavs. Before you disagree please mind that R1a and R1b are both Slavic happlogroups and that’s why 80% of the Europeans are mostly Slavs.

http://www.chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/index.html

Most of the ideas and the methodology were granted by the outstanding Russian mathematician Anatoly Fomenko who for 42 years now reveals the real history of the mankind. He and his team from Moscow University have written about 40 books and shoot dozens of films.
rote
Rubbish. Fomenko’s new chronology was called as a fiasco and embarrassment for Russia by Russian academy of Science and it was awarded the title of ("Pochotnaya bezgramota") for the worst book published in Russia

I have problems with almost all other Balkan peoples. Alexander if he ever existed could be only a Slav. Because no other people in the past could seize such vast territories but the Slavs.
Rote

He existed alright.So say the Greeks,Romans,Egyptians,Persians,Afgans etc.His ancestry was considered Hellenic since the times of Hesiod and Homer, his dynasty was recognized as ethnically Greek since at least the Graeco-Persian wars,he took part in the olympic games as a Greek national and proclaimed Hegemon of the Hellenes a year later, succeeding Philip who also held the title.

The question is how close you are to those Greeks ?
(rote, 14 December 2015 11:09)

Let me repeat what I've said many times before.No serious historian would ever claim that modern peoples are direct descendants of ancient peoples, at least in terms of DNA. What really matters is continuation (e.g. culture, language, occasionally religion) which ensures the historical sense of an evolving community through time. In other words, modern Greeks have many features enabling them to look back to antiquity (including the Macedonians who both spoke an unrefined Greek dialect, as most foreign scholars admit nowadays, and *voluntarily* adopted features of the primarily Athenian Greek culture).Unfortunately,your Bulgarian-speaking Fyromian friends have nothing else to say than resort to DNA myths, kitsch statues and anti-Greek propaganda.

Rote, the Albanian translator of the best book ever written on a medieval Albanian hero by either an Albanian or foreign scholar recently committed suicide. A brilliant mind… Welcome to the Balkans, Rote, where everybody lectures on history and nobody has never read some decent historiography. Take it easy man, one can’t change the Balkans. Macedonians today are Albos, Bulgarians, and Serbs, though.

Leonidas, в Россию можно только верить.. thus I would trust Fomenko. Mother Russia has never backstabbed us, Leonidas. The founder of the Albanian Orthodox Church was ordained as a priest by a Russian bishop while Serbs consecrated our first synod's bishops. Consecrated as Albanian bishops, nor Slavs or Greeks. Maybe Greek bishops would have done that for Albos as well, I mean, but anyway, Slavs resolved to do that. Serbs didn't say 'what Albos? Albo Orthos are all assimilated Serbs, Bulgarians, and Greeks'.

Mother Russia has never backstabbed us, Leonidas. It has been the only shoulder Orthos have always had, where we all, each of us, have always leaned our heads on, our bleeding tired heads. 2 of 2

Drymades,

Fomenko is famous and is admired for his mathematical researches.
For his "research" in history he got an (in)famous "lemon" prize in Russia.

The name of that prize is "Abzats" which - maybe coincidently, maybe not - (khm, khm) sounds like "Pizdets" which could be translated roughly like "completely screwed" (just using more taboo words).

I won't be proud for a public nomination for "Abzats".

BTW: forget Macedonia - how much money you would need to allocate just to build the Great Wall pursuing a questionable agenda to fool the future generations regarding Charlemagne or Great Russian Horde?

Than indeed, every single record in Chinese, Arab, Indian, Russian, Western chronicles has to be changed. Than you have to travel all over globe to change everything.

That would be the most expensive project in human history, would cost more than settling on Mars. For no reason and with no real leader. Except some alleged secret societies.

Hej Ataman you said that Albanian eagle has two heads like Russian and Serb eagles. That is not true because our eagle has two heads too but they represent Kosova and Albania. When we unite together we will unite the two heads of the eagle and our eagle will have just one head like the German eagle.

Leonidas : "I am also the son of the King of Daleks ..."

If you still believe in ancient Greece then no King of Daleks or Queen of Saba will shock me. You had no time to even look through the links that I gave you and now you decline from direct discussion. If you mean the HOW IT WAS IN REALTY book then in the begining they say that in this book there will be no sources given as it will repeat the previous 40 books of theirs. If you are lazy to read you may watch 24 films of the NEW CHRONOLOGY available in the web. My problem is that I read it all in Russian and then I have to find an English version for you. And it is always shorter and placed different. So It takes time and I am disapointed when I understand that you had not a glance at it. Leonidas Fomenko's version is soon to become dominant in Russia and Europe will fall next. Yet if you are hurt about the item let's discuss Russian history where falsifications exceed even the Greek ones. Moreover even the 19 century history of Europe was totally falsified while Fomenko stopped in the end of the 17 century. We can also talk about the history of both Americas or China or India or Britain or whatever you choose. Let's leave alone the Balkans with their multiple conflicts and pain points.

Do not know, did everyone notice that according Fomenko two personalities hotly debated between Hungarians and Romanians and/or Albanians, Greeks and Serbs did never exist?

It's János Hunyadi and Skenderbeg.

I can prove in few minutes that than not only that, USA, Russia, Hungary, Poland, Romania do not exist either. Existence of last four is based on existence of a certain gentleman, his name is Stefan Batori or Báthori István.

Huge gain for Albanians because there is no Russia and no Romania. And on Kosovo question Hungary and Poland is a very weak ally, with such allies Albanians do not need enemies.

But wait, since there was no Kastrioti, there is no Albania, no Greece and of course Kosovo is Serbia.

Unfortunately there is no Serbia either, so there is no Kosovo.
There is no Croatia and no Slovenia as there was no Monarchy and no Serbia.
Macedonia never existed in any form, obviously.

There is no France as there was no Charlemagne.

This Fomenko thing is getting out of control but at last we got rid of China, America and Russia the same time, what a relief.

Does India exist?

Reading more about Jesus. Yes, he was a Jew because Palestina was Russia. So he was Russian as Jews are Russians. But there was no Báthory, so there is no Russia.

And China was Russia, there was no China. And there was no Russia because there was no Báthory.

And Rodrigo? I mean, by his Scandinavian name Hrørik which does show up in (non-existing) Russian language, spelled in non-existing fake, non-Glagolitic writing as "Рюрик" did not exist, of course.

Look, there was no Рюрик, period. Maybe it was some Donkey Hoxha, Rodrigo of Spinach, riding some donkeys in Andalusia - but no Рюрик.

There is a nice, yellow-pained palace in Budapest, not far from my house, about maybe 5 miles. It is guarded by doctors and while it is very easy to enter it, leaving it without doctor's permit is difficult.

I am thinking, THAT house is the center of universe and all the non-Charlemagne theories originated from that house.

The proof is, right now there are at least 2-3 Napoleon Bonaparte-s living in that house, maybe even more. They married with Jean d'Arc and Valentina Tereshkova.

Drymades,

I am aware of theories that Alex was half-Hellene and either half-Thracian or half-Illyiran. The problem is, there is no proof that Greece ever existed. And Thracia never existed either.

"Alexandros", is merely the cousin of the 2-3 Napoleon Bonaparte-s who used to live in Yellow Palace of Budapest, close to Lipótmezö, he is either son of Valentina Tereshkova or Jean d'Arc. Valentina and Jean, too, used to live in that palace.

Till 2007 all of them were very well and being taken care by doctors 7/24.
They just could not leave that Yellow Palace of Lipótmezö.

Than there was a revolution and as of recent they all are out, to spread their Teachings.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18090691
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02046511#page-1

To rote:

4. " I do not think that Greeks have ever existed as one people."
First of all, I don't care what you think, I care what the Science of History PROVES. And the science of History has proved that we Greeks are one people, one nation. But even an uneducated arrogant like yourself who is totally unfamiliar with the European history can use his brain (or whatever is left out of it) to see that we are one people. If we hadn't existed as one nation, as one people, as you claim, we would never had got Greece back after 4 centuries (and us in Macedonia, northern Greece five centuries) of Ottoman occupation.

5. " There are 3 literature Greek languages ". NO. There are two DEVELOPMENTS of our language and our language relies TOTALLY on ancient Greek. For instance, if you ask Greeks to speak modern Greek without using ancient Greek words, we will be able to speak with only 5% of our vocabulary. Linguistics is also a Science rote, I suggest you open a book.

6. "For centuries there were no news about the Greeks". The same is true for the Serbs. You do know that Greeks and Serbs were occupied by ottomans, don't you?

7. The whole planet celebrates the civilization of the Greeks! I repeat: OPEN A BOOK, you only humiliate yourself with your ignorance.

The pyramids, the Parthenon, the Great Wall of China, the Sphinx, were built under the Horde’s rule while the Statue of Liberty and the White House were built by the Odenburgs I think.
(rote,

You shouldn't think,ask Fomenko he'e a time traveller and he knows everything. I've always known that conspiracy theories and their proponents often get maligned as crackpots, weirdos, outsiders, nut jobs.They get maligned because they provide poor to non-existent evidence of their claims and when given proof that clearly demonstrates that they are wrong, they refuse to accept it.They never claim that they are wrong, but victims of a vast conspiracy. There is no value in what they do. All it is anomaly hunting and then creating some preposterous fiction to explain it.

But in your case Rote you've surpassed the boundaries of conspiracy theories and you've added a new dangerous element called "Racism".When someone like yourself claims that ancient Greek Mathematicians and philosophers like Pythagoras or Archimedes couldn't be Greek but only Slav-eureka you guessed it the horde- or Greeks couldn't master an army of 50000-bearing in mind that the 70 ancient Greek Cities had a combined population in excess of 2 million - and could only be Slav this is plainly racist.

Now is my time to give you my verdict.
Ancient Russia= O
Medieval Russia =O
Your official history started sometime in the 15th century AD.The Greeks Christen you and tried to civilise you by giving you an alphabet.

Well more exactly is Italian 25% Latin 35% Slavic 25% Gipsy 15%

adrian_bucharest

I think the right number is 98% gipsy the rest is turk. By the way when are you going to bring home the hundreds of thousand gypsies flooding Europe with begging and crime?

IMO, Alexander Makedonski wasn't Slav among other reasons that the (Antique) Macedonian weaponry was more like of Thracian or Greek.

More-less same about the tactics used in battle.

Hittites were the Slavs of antique times and their language was decrypted and analyzed based on modern Polish and Russian. This is beyond any doubt.

The key element of Slavonic tactics was the recursive composite bow. Hittites used it against Pharao Ramses in masses - why would Alexandar Filipovic not use that weapon against Persians hundreds of years later? That weapon was the instrument of mass destruction before the gunpowder. In addition, Persians used it and the best way to counter recursive composite bows is to use even more recursive composite bows.

Because Alexander the Great wasn't Slav and while he knew that weapon, his soldiers weren't trained to use it or counter it with the same.

Look at Russian fairy tale books starting with Three Mighty Knights. Or letopis. Or at Palekh ornaments. Or even glass ornaments made for New Year's Tree. If you see any bow pictured - you see a composite recursive bow. I suspect, Slavs - like Huns or Turks or Mongols - do not even know any other bow, only a composite recursive one.

The main reason the Mongol Horde could never conquer Viet Nam was that their bows literally melted in the Vietnamese heat and humidity.

In West using bow was something lowly. Except the English peasants fighting French knights at Crecy.

Regarding algebraic topology and other very important things: you can model certain things pretty well. I have no doubt that as mathematician I suck 100% compared with Fomenko.

However, he clearly over-stepped his abilities on other things.

His theory is nice - but the big trouble with such medicine is when it causes more problems than the illness it tries to cure.

On practical reasons for now I have to firmly reject Fomenko's theories simply because they raise more questions than the answers they provide to unanswered questions.

The only logical answer to these new questions is to allege a conspiracy of unknown scale worldwide. The organization of such conspiracy would require unbelievable amount of money.

I firmly believe, such money just wasn't available to the party which was allegedly interested to organize such conspiracy. It would also require extensive contacts and extensive and fast and safe travels across the globe. In 16th - 17th - 18th century it was impossible, internet and fax wasn't invented.

have nothing else to say than resort to DNA myths, kitsch statues and anti-Greek propaganda.
(Leonidas)

Not a single kitschy statue of a certain Hellenic king called 'Aleksandar Filipovic' dares to picture him holding a recursive bow.

Looking at any picture starting with Hittite kings and ending with Palekh jewelry box picturing a Russian Bogatyr on a horse - you see that recursive composite bow.

For me the debate is pretty much settled. No recursive composite bow = no Slav.
Macedonians admitted that on all statues they elected in Skopje.

They just did not realize ;-)

That theory should be put on a 100 yard target and let's English longbowmen and traditional central Asian composite bowmen compete, who can hit it better.

The ("Chinese") train #4 goes from Yaroslavski station to Beijing via Mongolia.
I sat three times in that train, twice the full length.

The train follows the Great Wall for about 6-or-so odd hours. In some places the Wall is in quite sorry state, in many you see it being quite wall-like.

The only restored part is at BaDaLing, that is for tourists (and maybe one or two more places). Otherwise it goes through ridges difficult to access, but you see it from the train.

The train travels roughly a west -> east direction. The defenses everywhere are consistently supporting guards from south facing an opponent coming from the north. We visited BaDaLing in person. No one noticed that the Wall would defend North from South.

1. They used several independent methods and all of them gave similar results.

I asked you about the criteria he used to determine Ptolemy's "new birth certificate" which is a thousand years younger.I would rather stick with the Roman historiography and the Egyptian inscriptions which have already been dated rather than Fomenko's f..t.Archaeology is probably the most important element in determining ancient dating.

2. About Ptolemy's Almagest

Your link doesn't give any clue as to why Fomenko thinks Ptolemy's
astronomical values are correct.Fomenko just extrapolates his
conspirational propaganda about Scaliger etc.


3. Real history of China

Yes he's right.The 557 ancient Chinese emperors just disappeared so did the 10 million or so ancient documents and inscriptions.They are all fake or written by Joseph Scaliger.One has to admire Scaliger for being able to write the world history in so many different languages.

Than indeed, every single record in Chinese, Arab, Indian, Russian, Western chronicles has to be changed. Than you have to travel all over globe to change everything.
(Ataman,

Dead right.Neither Fomenko nor his followers have provided any explanation of how someone from medieval Europe convinced the Chinese to create fake dynasties (557 emperors )complete with bogus archives.Furthermore,we have other instances ie Charlemagne. So he's dealt with in classic conspiracy theory fashion: he never existed. Apparently neither did Alfred the Great and his son Edward, the first king of unified England. Also sixty Popes, four antipopes, and 18 archbishops of Canterbury.The Spanish and Portuguese conquests in Latin America and Asia never happened (it was the Horde's conquests) but Scaliger changed the facts.The fact that all Latin American countries-with the exception of Brazil whose language is Portuguese-speak Spanish is totally irrelevant.Not even David Icke (the illuminati and Reptilian conspiracy theorist)will utter such nonsense.

Ataman : “travel all over globe to change everything. “

LEONIDAS : “Dead right. Neither Fomenko nor his followers have provided any explanation of how someone from medieval Europe convinced the Chinese”


Fomenko gave detailed explanation to every question you both put. Just be patient enough and read it. Ataman has an advantage of the Russian language on which 100 times more information is available. Not only by Fomenko but by many others including foreigners :

http://www.chronologia.org/rare/index.html
http://www.chronologia.org/gxk/index.html
http://www.chronologia.org/articles/index.html
http://www.chronologia.org/conference.html
http://www.chronologia.org/answers.html
http://www.chronologia.org/lit7nx.html
http://www.chronologia.org/history.html
http://www.chronologia.org/bibliography.html

Right now our discussion reminds me a party meeting against Solzhenitsin – I HAVEN’T READ HIM BY MYSELF BUT I CONDEMN ! = САМ НЕ ЧИТАЛ, НО ОСУЖДАЮ …


Drymades

You seem to be the smartest !

8. TWO BRANCHES OF THE ORIGINAL CHRISTIANITY.

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/02_06.html#mark

9. TWO WRITING TRADITIONS OF CHRISTIANITY – APOSTOLIC AND ANCESTRAL-ROYAL.

There were many texts written in both of the branches of original Christianity. They varied. The people's Apostolic Church created the Gospels. We are very familiar with their spirit. The Gospels revere Andronicus-Christ and do not accept any equality with Him. This is a reverence of a disciple for his Teacher. Christ is the Sun, which is unblemished. In the Ancestral-Royal circle they also were writing a lot (or used chroniclers and writers). Naturally they were writing a lot about their famous ancestor Lord Christ. But the flavour of these texts was essentially different. From them subsequently grew the 'ancient'-Greek myths about Zeus-Christ and his numerous relations – Olympian Gods, and also the 'ancient'-Greek legends about God Osiris-Christ and his nine closest gods. Modern commentators refer all such Christian testimonials to an historical period - 'paganism', naturally shifting it back to 'antiquity' and separating it from Christianity. The differences between the texts of the apostolic tradition and Ancestral-Royal literature were so great, that today researchers have to explain with great difficulty vivid parallels and analogies between the Apostolic Christianity and 'paganism', which emerge repeatedly.

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/02_06.html#mark

SO READ THE LINKS THAT I GAVE FIRST !
(rote,

I am also the son of the King of Daleks(from Dr Who series) because i say so.

Fell comfortable with Fomenko and his theories and I will feel comfortable with the real world.

Drymades : “Did he ever focus on Alexander the Great, Rote? Thanks in advance, tavarish. Thanks B92 for the patience, off topic”


There are no issues that Fomenko’s school are declining from. I shall seek for the English version about Alexander. In two words his biography is composed of several ones an+ he could live only in the medieval times. Below are several links where Alexander is mentioned in different contexts. I’ll try to find the Russian version where it’s all in one place.

http://chronologia.org/en/old_books/remezov.html
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/05_11.html
http://chronologia.org/en/nch6_1_bible_rus/index.html
http://chronologia.org/cgi-bin/ks/ksearch.cgi?terms=alexander&display=5&p=2&showm=5&b=1&t=1&d=1&sort=Matches
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/05_30.html
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/06_45.html
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/06_21.html
http://chronologia.org/en/nch2_2_we_change_dates/index.html

But you can seek for it by yourself on

http://www.chronologia.org/

It’s a good link that I use like Wikipedia over almost every issue. If you take the methodology from Fomenko you will become sceptic about the history and political issues. You will notice things that you would never pay attention otherwise. Also I recommend you 24 films over THE NEW CHRONOLOFY OF FOMENKO available in English now. You will enjoy them all. In film 12 they summarize their own version of the history.

"САМ НЕ ЧИТАЛ, НО ОСУЖДАЮ"

ROFL, you are 100% right on that, I have to admit.
The problem is, I started to read that pile of nonsense and first got a headache.
Than I checked out the "Yellow Palace", it's closed now.

Since headache is very painful and the Hungarian healthcare system is slowly collapsing (no "Психиатрическая больница" aka "Yellow Palace" nearby open) - I stopped to read all that silliness. I got better!

This Fomenko thing is getting out of control but at last we got rid of China, America and Russia the same time, what a relief.

Does India exist?
(Ataman,

With respect,Fomenko is a time-traveller and he managed to visit the past meet all the ancients and found his way back to tell the story.He's right,neither ancient China,Rome,Egypt,or Greece ever existed.Only the Horde did and it's the source of everything.

The biggest pyramids were built in China and there are some 400 of them guarded as military objects now. Because the artefacts show that those are medieval Russian objects with multiple Christian and Muslim symbols inside. The government tries to mask them as hills planting bushes and trees there.
(rote, 17 December

I beg to differ.I think, ancient aliens built the pyramids,the Parthenon,the Great Wall of China, the Sphinx, the Statue of Liberty and the White House – all conclusive proof that aliens do in fact exist.

To rote:

If you don't want to insult one another, then do NOT abuse the Greek history and the Greek culture. Alexander the Great, his father Philip II and ALL the ancient Macedonians were GREEKS. In your initial "post you said that Philip II had a Slavic name and that obviously he was a Slav because only Slavs could have had such a strong Army. Slavs came in the Balkans in the 6th century AD. We Greeks were in ancient Greeks since 4,000 AD. Alexander was GREEK. OPEN A BOOK.

As for the strength of the ancient Greek Army, if it wasn't for Leonidas and Sparta, you and the rest of Europeans would all be Middle Easterns now, not Europeans. THAT was the strength of the ancient Greek Army.

Rote, have you graduated from high school?

1. The ancient Greece never existed? LOL. We have BILLIONS of ancient artifacts in Greece which prove otherwise. ALL ancient nations (Celts, Iranians, Chinese, Egyptians verify the anvcient Greek history).

2 Excuse me, what? We started the Revolution against the Ottoman Empire in 1821 and we eventually got Greece back.

3. I don't care how you Russians treated Greece in Crimea during the medieval times..! The Ottomans treated us badly too, but this doesn't mean we were not a nation.

FYROM is a banana republic with its roots in the IMRO movement in the early 20th century. Another fake nation created under the Hellenic Greek Macedonian history and the province of Macedonia, Greece.

Rote, although I enjoy reading your alternative view of history, I encourage you to go see the unearthed tomb of Philip of Macedon just outside of Salonika, Greece. Gold and artifacts with Greek encryptions supporting the Greek Macedonia .

FYROM is made up of Bulgarians, Albanians and some Serbs and Greeks. Many southern Serbs became so called Macedonians under Tito Policy and fake history taught throughout the former Yugoslavia.

Let’s try to be reasonable because Leonidas fails to be as such each time
Rote
I have sent you several postings with the maximum characters posing several questions on Fomenkoo's theories ans every time you found excuses not to answer them.Lets try some of them again.

1.On what criteria did Fomenko base his decision on how far to shift his dates of history?
2 How did fomenko know that the astronomical phenomena recorded in Ptolemy's Almagest and his crude catalogued positions the of 1,028 stars are correct?
3. Why has Fomenko refused to use the Chinese observations which have been tested by modern astronomers and found to be accurate?The Chinese have historical records of every appearance of Halley's Comet since 240 B.C., including records from 684, 760, and 837. The 837 approach was one of the closest and brightest ever. They also recorded eclipses, planetary conjunctions, and even occultations of planets by the moon. During the the Tang dynasty, total solar eclipses were recorded in 756, 761, 879, and 888 and partial eclipses in 702, 729, 754, and 822. Needless to say, these observations can be checked with modern astronomical software. They really happened.
Furthermore,you should know that Ptolemy besides being an amateur astronomer he was also a general and official biographer of Alexander the Great.If Fomenko accepts his astronomical observations he's got to accept his historical ones,the problem is they don't fit into his conspiracy.

Rote, I was trying to escape with some sort of dignity from this debate....it didn't work. Do you want me to join you in your efforts to deconstruct Balkans' mainstream historiography, tavarish? I will. Is the Greek historiography based on myths fabricated by Germans mainly?
(Drymades, 13 December 2015 20:09)

Not only the Greek historiography but also the Roman,Chinese,Egyptian,Persian and the rest of the world.According to Fomenko and his disciple Rote the entire world history has been a conspiracy against mother Russia.Fomenko,of course, is a Russian nationalist who all of a sudden discovered that mother Russia was the source of planet earth and its culture gave rise to England (he hasn't visited a British University yet where history has been recorded for the last 1000 years).It also explains why the Czars believed they were Caesars through their connection with Byzantium(not a shred of evidence).In other words, Fomenko's conspiracy theory is nothing more than an attempt to bolster the forgotten image of the Russian state, and to claim for Russia a large piece of the reflected glory of a world that passed it by.

Leonidas, Rote can illuminate on Fomenko, I don't know him but I have read what Rote wrote in a few specialized Albo blogs, where we mainly try to deconstruct Albanian mainstream historiography and occasionally that of our neighbors as well. For obvious reasons, Germans focused on the only non-Slavic components of the Balkans, who were Greeks and Albos, trying to somehow support the supposed continuity between the ancient Greeks and the modern ones,Illyrians and Albanians, respectively. I'm not saying they were wrong, all what major scholars everywhere have pointed out is that today's Greeks and Albos are a mix of their byzantine and ottoman roots. Which you already proudly confirmed in one of our previous exchanges, right? There can't be a 'pure blood' Greek, Albanian, Macedonian, or Turk. We are all mixed up. We can't claim what Serbs can, we have all 'betrayed' our ancient glory and roots (assuming we ever had such a glory).

As far as I am concerned, I will always recall what a couple of (geg, northern Albos) friends of mine who had immigrated to Greece told me once 'they opened their doors for us and helped us with anything'. Buke, kripe, e zemer (bread, salt and heart) people of good will always find in my country, as far as I am concerned. History is based on sensibilities, right? :)
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Regarding algebraic topology and other very important things: you can model certain things pretty well. I have no doubt that as mathematician I suck 100% compared with Fomenko.
However, he clearly over-stepped his abilities on other things.
Ataman

Fomenko is a statistical data cherry-picker .A key rule in statistics is one cannot select matches from the historical record which support his chronology, while ignoring those which do not, thus creating false correlations for his claims. Fomenko’s idea that history is just the diary of the reigns of kings, and that the mathematical relationships between their reigns is as sound as the mathematically relationship of two sides of an algebraic equation, is nonsense of the worst kind no wonder he had to rewrite the Byzantine history to get his correlation to match the English history(Fomenko claims that the Byzantine history is a copy of the English one).This claim can also be rubbished by the written English history kept in the archives of Oxford University whose teaching goes as far as 1096AD.

Drymades : “Rote wrote in a few specialized Albo blogs … continuity between the ancient Greeks and the modern ones, Illyrians and Albanians … today's Greeks and Albos are a mix of their byzantine and ottoman roots. … There can't be a 'pure blood' Greek, Albanian, Macedonian, or Turk. We are all mixed up”


You are the only one who has my LIKE today because most things in your comment do not contradict to what I said. The problem is that we discuss quite other things with Leonidas. Also I have never been at any Shqiptar site and if you give me good links I will definitely go there. Our problem with Leonidas is that he feels comfortable as the father of civilization and I believe that it wasn’t quite so. The fame and glory of the Slavs was stolen and divided among other peoples like the Mongolians, Jews, Arabs, Greeks, Americans, Maya, Aztecs, Chinese, Indians of India and Indians of America, the Brits, the Germans, the Italians ect. The entire medieval history is false while the “ancient” history describes mostly events of the 14-16 centuries. Be it Chinese history or Indian or Greek or any other. You are free to choose any item or two (no more) and I’ll try to prove that the current version of the events is false.

Атаман : “IMO, Alexander Makedonski wasn't Slav among other reasons that the (Antique) Macedonian weaponry was more like of Thracian or Greek. More-less same about the tactics used in battle…. The key element of Slavonic tactics was the recursive composite bow. Hittites used it against Pharao Ramses in masses - why would Alexandar Filipovic not use that weapon against Persians hundreds of years later? Because Alexander the Great wasn't Slav … Slavs - like Huns or Turks or Mongols - do not even know any other bow, only a composite recursive one. …The main reason the Mongol Horde could never conquer Viet Nam was that…”

С чего ты решил, что у Македонского короткие мечи были ? Ты еще скажи, что он был пидаром и носки у него воняли ! Каким источником ты пользовался? Какая там тактика была у литературного героя ! Ты еще про Василия Теркина нам расскажи. Турки, тракийцы, хетты и тп.- все были славянами, кроме гуннов-угорцев. Посмотри на их гапплогруппы. Кто тебе сказал, что Вьетнам выстоял ? Все пали перед нами, а он выстоял – бред какой. А рядом посмотри на Анкор Ват и сравни рисунки с рисунками в верхней части (снаружи) на Успенском соборе во Владимире и найди разницу. И какие к черту фараоны, каждый из которых правил по 33 года ровно ! PHRN – так они писались в старину, что означало ПХРН = похоронен + имя. Это царская (ордынская) усыпальница в Гизе, куда свозили мумии со всего света !

Sorry for my poor English !

If Serbia wants to play this silly game, then Macedonia should respond by erecting a sign on its border in the Serbian direction stating ' Republic of Yugoslavia'. Serbia ( YU ) had no right to manipulate it's neighbour to please it's Greek masters. Serbia is a thorn in the Balkan foot. Always has always will.
(VMRO, 14 December 2015 08:50)
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You could do that but then you would be the only country doing it because we all know that it's Serbia not "Republic of Yugoslavia" unlike you when the whole world knows you as FYROM.
So go ahead but remember, you have burned all your bridges with your Orthodox brothers and now only have Albanians as "frieds". With friends like these, who needs nenemies, right?
Serbia has been very good to you, even recognizing you as Macedonia at the risk of upsetting our dear friends and how do you return the favour? You recognize "Kosova" and vote to admit it into UNESCO. You have done this to yourselves. If you were a better friend Serbia would continue ot show friendship back.
Now you're on your own.

And about fairy tales, legends and folk songs... as far as I know, Russian or Hungarian are somewhat similar. It's all about some princes and knights, riding horses, shooting arrows, ugly frogs finding the lost arrow and turning into a beautiful princess. Or chasing deers, shooting arrows, deers leading the heroes to find a new country or a new wife (or to a frog - to - become a beautiful wife because the arrow would kill the ugly witch who cursed the princess) and so on and so on, ad nauseam.

So the handsome knight should have 100% control over his composite bow to hit the ugly wicked witch from a long distance with a golden arrow and make the ugly frog find the arrow and turn into a beautiful princess. ;-)


The same time AFAIK, Greeks very well knew Schytians. Schythians were employed in Athens as policemen: for such job a short and powerful composite bow is more useful than the clumsy longbow or sword. Or the 6 meter long phalanx pike.

Regardless, statues in Skopje are plain disgusting and I am not sure, do I want to laugh or vomit looking at them.

Fomenko is the most popular historian in Russia today with millions of followers because he gives answers to almost all questions that the traditional historians decline. s and we can talk about it too.
(rote,

On the contrary,he is completely the opposite.He's only accepted questions regarding his mathematical calculations but refused to answer any on archaeology and historiography.But as I've said on my posting below if one cherry picks and uses the values of variables in an algebraic equation that fits his chronology he'e likely to get the results he wishes(although he had to re-write the Byzantine history to fit his narrative).
Now let me ask you a simple question.Imagine Fomenko going to China and telling the Chinese that the 557 recorded emperors or their 10 million recorded ancient manuscripts were either fakes or never existed or were written by Scalinger(as you claim)what would be their reaction.Imagine Fomenko telling them that it wasn't China that discovered the compass or the gun powder but it was the Horde what would they say?Imagine telling them that the Great Wall-21500 kilometres lenghth and 9 metres height-was only built recently,what will they say.
I suggest you read the " myths of new chronology" published incidently by the Moscow University.You should also take on board what the distinguished Russian archaeologist, Valentin Yanin, said about Fomenko.He compared Fomenko's work to "the sleight of hand trickery of a David Copperfield".

Who knows Leonidas maybe they are the true Greeks but not you!

The ethnicity of a person is determined by the language.My language has been around for 5 thousands years whereas theirs was only reconstructed in 1946.

Macedonians are proud people and they do not sell their ancestors name.

This why they stabbed their fellow Serbs in the back for thirty silver.As to their anscestors they stand more chances of finding them in Bulgaria than ancient Macedonia.

By intuition, Ataman, one can't excel at math and be a bad chronologist at the same time. And history is all about intuition, I mean personally I've learned a lot by simply watching myself and other Balkaneros and using my intuition rather than by reading history books. And then I think Rote already provided sufficient evidence of Fomenko's brilliance, and I'm loving Fomenko each day more, actually.

Leonidas

You want to hear only what you want to hear. Everything else seems to be crazy for you. Same as I feel when I hear fairy tales about a rather peaceful people (who makes 0,3% of the mankind today) as if they could once seize Eurasia and part of Africa. I also feel insulted when they say that Cyrillic letters were taken from the Greek language. Same as if one can fill a 2 liter bottle from a 1 liter one. It may be a news for you but old Cyrillic had 42 letters while the medieval Greek that in fact is the oldest had only 24. Besides the Slavs developed not only the Cyrillic but also the Glagolitsa (Глаголица). To say nothing that the Etruscan letters all written in old Russian and were translated way back in 19 century by a Pole and then by two Russians. If not the Great Horde the Greeks would remain a small people known only in the Mediterranean. And when you mind Fomenko next time please remember that the Greeks were an important part of the great Slavic conquest. As you must know the first Patriarchs of the Horde were of Greek origin. And when Constantine-I The Great aka Murat-I aka Dmitry-I Ivanovich (Donskoy) introduced the current Apostle Christianity he moved the Roman capital back to Jerusalem (=Troy= Tsar Grad) he took there his Greek Patriarch and made it the religious capitol of the Great Horde. And it correlates well with the Scaliger chronology. Year of 324 + 1053 year shift = 1377. According to Fomenko in 1380.

SO READ THE LINKS THAT I GAVE FIRST !

Skenderbeu 1444 : “Hej Ataman you said that Albanian eagle has two heads like Russian and Serb eagles. That is not true because our eagle has two heads too but they represent Kosova and Albania.”


You’re wrong ! The two headed eagle was the family symbol of the Komnins Dynasty of the Byzantium to which Andronicus-Christ belonged. This why since 13 century it became the symbol of the Great (Mongol) Horde. What you say is a very new fairy tale – forget about it !

If you believe that I trust the Russian monks more than the Greek ones you are mistaken as our churches have zero contradictions.

If the Churches have zero contradictions why shouldn't you believe them?

Rote, I was trying to escape with some sort of dignity from this debate....it didn't work. Do you want me to join you in your efforts to deconstruct Balkans' mainstream historiography, tavarish? I will. Is the Greek historiography based on myths fabricated by Germans mainly? Yessss, despite my simpathy for our difficult neighbors. I don't know where mega Alexandros was from, but I can hardly believe he was of Slavic origins, despite my simpathy for the Slavs. Is it a mistake non recognizing Macedonia with its 'natural' name? It is a political choice, and politics has nothing to do with the 'scientific' truth. Look, if it weren't for the Serbs, Russia would have recognized Kosovo, right? And maybe would have been best friends with Shqiptars, why not Rote, since ages ago, Stalin approved Albanian complaints against Tito's nationalistic approach and expelled mighty Yugoslavia from Cominform? Despite the Slavic brotherhood? I don't have any list of nothing and maybe, if I can manage to have Srbi and Shqiptars become allies, Russia's influence in the area will come to an end, right? Call me a balcanic prostitute or kurva, you name it, but that is the truth, if the truth is all we're looking for here. Serbian saints lives, huh? Well, I confess I'm very interested in this topic and have already started to read something. I decided to follow the comments here when I first read your exchange of ideas with Dragoljub on the particularity of the Serbian church and iconography. Believe it or not, that is the truth.

Ну ничего... вот гунны-то как раз уграми скорее всего и не были. Гунны себя гуннами никогда не звали. Как и угры себя уграми не зовут. Это всё племенные союзы, обычно двуязычные (или многоязычные). Есть определённая связь с Кавказом - как и что мало известно и только гадают.

Одно могу сказать: шумеры тоже с Кавказа на юг попали. А матерится на шумерском тут каждый может.

Это не означает что венгерский язык вроде потомок шумерского - но вот структуры похожие и большое количество родственных слов налицо.

Однако даже это считается псевдонаукой и доказательства слишком слабы.

А Фоменко... лучше уж ему остатся при алгебраической топологии, сорри.

А вот от того что Александр Македонский был герой - стулья ломать не надо.
"Работали" они там как знаю фалангой, причём особой, македонской. С колоссальными копьями. И конницей. Но ничего подобного типа среднеазиатского лука на войне не использовали.

Зато полиция - изпользовала. Полицаями греки в тех-же Афинах как раз скифов и нанимали. Скифский лук против криминалов и насильников более удобен чем фаланга.

Кто были скифы - не ясно (славяне - тюрки - мадьяры - гунны итд итп).

Ясно только то, что Александр Македонский не славянин, не мадьяр, не гунн, не тюрк. Он там грек, тракиец, албанец, кем они там его хотят назвать, на здоровье им.

Sorry for the bad English and not-yet-existing French ;-)

Rote, it's all about the language, and yes, it is the continuity between the ancient Greek language and the modern one that proves that al least Greeks have always been there, and that their predecessors are certainly peninsula's most ancient population. Now, since we have a lot of illuminated Albos who can write in every language but their own, good Albo forums only allow people to write in Albanian and the articles are in Albanian. So I don't think you'd be interested in google translating comments and essays, but here are a couple of them: http://www.forumishqiptar.com/forum.php
http://peizazhe.com/
Apparently Fomenko is a distinguished member of the Russian Academy and I enjoyed reading from him :)

I’m not smart, I just use my intuition when it comes to understand the Balkans ;)

Know what? The Komnins (Komnenos) dynasty were somehow connected to the Arianiti, an Albanian noble family that ruled large areas in Albania and neighbouring areas from the 11th to the 16th century, please note that wiki connects Arianiti to both the Komnenos and the Kastrioti families: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianiti_family Can't figure out how they were connected though, and it looks like the secondary surname used by the Arianiti family since the 14th century was Komneni surname: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?85243-Albanian-Feudal-Families

Any clues, Rote? A very good professor of mine has written a good book on the medieval Albania, don’t have it with me right now http://everything.explained.today/Arianiti_family/

Quoting: The Arianiti family also had their coat of arms and other heraldry signs. The double headed eagle emblem was on their heraldic symbols.

See also: Saint Angelina of Serbia, a 15th-century despotess consort of Serbian ruler Stefan Branković. Born Angelina Arianit Komneni, and was a princess and sixth daughter of Albanian noble Gjergj Arianit Komneni, in the time when most of the people of Albania were Orthodox Christians.

Kostandin Arianit Komneni’s sister, Andronika, was the wife of Gjergj Kastrioti, Albania’s national hero.

References in Greek for Leonidas: http://www.scribd.com/doc/232261277/Οι-Αλβανοί-Στο-Μεσαίωνα#scribd

What I mentioned in my previous comment would thoroughly explain why both Russians and Serbian clergy’s highest echelons had no doubts with regards to the Albanian Orthodoxes' right to have their own Ortho church. Say, they were pretty aware that Albos deserved it on both historical and moral grounds.

But the Arianiti Komneni occasionally claimed to be the lords of Macedonia…and there are enclaves of orthodox Albos still living today in Macedonia, alongside the Muslim Albo majority. Well, they live in separate neighborhoods and don’t mingle with Muslims and Slavs. The ‘Macedonian’ state obliges them to refer to themselves as ‘Macedonians’ thus Slavs.

Also, it looks like the Greeks loved so much Alexandros and his being Greek that they actually killed his wife and son… Maybe he just chose the Greek culture…And our scholars have already suggested that he was half-Illyrian, his mother was... Fomenko is the only one who can help us out here. Did he ever focus on Alexander the Great, Rote? Thanks in advance, tavarish. Thanks B92 for the patience, off topic as usually :(

Noted, Rote. Already copied the links and yes, the English translation is awful, unfortunately. Certainly, for a 'Brit or US' mind, this kind of translation jeopardizes the complete comprehension of Fomenko's theory. And an Easterner like me needs to double-read everything. Ok, hvala hvala hvala, would have shouted my fav 'Macedonian' singer Vllade Divljan ;)

Rote

This is what I wrote to you on our previous exchange last year.

Fomenko’s conspiracy theories are not new to me and neither to the wider audience.In fact they are the re-heated ideas of Jean Hardouin who was convinced that all of the ancient records of Greece and Rome were forgeries carried out by Benedictine monks but failed miserably to produce any reasoning as to why the monks would fake so much history and neither saying whether the monks had what it takes to be philosophers.or scientists and, nor a shred of evidence to back up his claims.

(Leonidas, 28 November 2014 12:55)

You've also claimed that the Egyptian pyramids,The Great Wall of China,the Parthenon and the colosseum were not ancient at all but recently erected.When I asked you for a date you've answered again "recently" without naming a date.This was a strong indication to me that you didn't have a clue of what you were talking about.
I've also said to you "I would suggest to you to get out of your cocoon in Russia and visit some public libraries in Egypt,China,Italy and Greece and you'l find out that the recorded history in those countries is more or less the same.
(Leonidas, 27 November 2014 20:59)

You can even visit the St. Panteleimon Monastery in mount Athos in Greece(the Russian Monastery)which contains thousands of manuscripts both in Greek and Russian and you'll find the real history of the Byzantine empire.Monks are Russian.

Skenderbeg 1444, you have just showed that albanians are not intersted in facts when they read history, but their political and ideological presentation. Double-headed eagle is Byzantine symbol that represents sacral and world, but you are not interested in fact rather in your chauvinist propaganda.

"Не мoжеш пo мaгaретo пa удри пo сaмaрoт".
Гoсoдинoт Дaчиќ се нaфрли пo Мaкедoнијa нo зoштo не се нaфрли нa Фрaнцијa,Итaлијa.Гермaнијa,САД, В.Бритaнијa...?
Дa не зaбoрaвиме Дaчиќ кaкo гo зaбaвувaше сo свoјoт тaлент зa пеење и хумор на свечените вечери премиерот на Албанија Еди Рама, земја која се смета за матична држава на сите Албанци?
Зошто баш сега пред претседателските избори во Србија му текна да се конфронтира само со помалите држави во Европа како Македонија или Црна Гора, а не и со другите гореспоменати?Дали Дачиќ се плаши истите негови изливи на шовинизам да ги изрази кон другите 134 земји кoи гo признaa Кoсoвo. Гoспoдине Дaчиќ ефтинo пре ефтинo е тoa штo гo прaвите.