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"People in OSCE area expect peace," says incoming chair

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, who will chair the OSCE next year, says the primary task will be to strengthen mutual trust in the OSCE area.

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icj1

pre 8 godina

if there ever was to be a slavic empire, Romania will enjoy the spoil of the riches which will come
(Nikola Novakovic, 6 December 2015 02:13)

Lol how? Details mate, details...
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the poor give more to the rich then the rich give to the poor... the rich give you 300 million dollar loan, you give them back 600 million through interest... massive transfer of wealth from poor to rich..
(Nikola Novakovic, 6 December 2015 02:13)

What a BS!!! Money has time value, mate. 1 EUR today is worth more than 1 EUR next year. So, the "rich" give 300 million TODAY and the "poor" give back 600 million, but NOT TODAY, rather over many years in the future. The TODAY's value of those 600 million future payments is EXACTLY 300 million, so the transfer of wealth is 0!

Do you have any more ignorant comments to make, mate?

icj1

pre 8 godina

Imagine if Yugoslavia was around today, it may have been capitalist and it could have been in the EU and performing strong... If the slavs were still United in the Balkans
(Nikola Novakovic, 5 December 2015 11:22)

Sure, if this and if that and if many ifs... Yugoslavia is dead because it was an artificial union of people who hated each other and did not want to live together... crying about it, it's not going to bring it back to life.

Live the present and work for a better future mate!

Ataman

pre 8 godina

In a nutshell, Your Highness Count - I do not deny being a "typical East European blowhard". But they (Americans) were dumb enough not only beg me to come, they even volunteered to pay for my H1B and for my "Green Card" and told me "thank you" and "please".

I could be lucky - but I really never wanted to go there. I just sold myself because at one point the bid was high enough, babies were coming and extra Dollar never hurts. That's how I became "American". I never even mentioned the word "asyl" and "please help me". To the contrary - we paid their taxes and social security even before settling there and as non-resident alien even over-paid them.

My conscience is 100% clear, I never received a single Cent from American public money, be it State or Federal level. And to be honest, I am not comfortable to ask them.

Until I retire. And if I retire I know, I still over-paid because if you live outside of U.S., you receive Social Security only, no Medicare - even if you contributed to Medicare for decades.

There you go, your Highness Mr. Count - if you immigrate on H1B you will be in the same boat. But you still have to denounce any nobility title like Count or Marquis before you apply to the citizenship. Your beloved Clint ruled that having multiple citizenships is OK. But no noble title, to bad for you.

But their Social Security as much people may complain about it is still one of the best - if you contribute enough and work your butt off there for a while.

Ataman

pre 8 godina

Adrian,

Albania became just recently something like a country. In last 3-4 thousand years we can talk about some relatively primitive mountain tribes who had no writing.
The coastal parts were settled by Roman settlers and they were better off. Things started to be (quite) better around 11th - 13th century and you can find some really nice churches (frescoes!) around Kastoria, now Greece. These frescoes can't be compared with, say, Humor (that's not a joke, it's Humor like Monastery in Romania) or Studenica or Mileshevo in Serbia. Decani is rather quantity than quality (of frescoes) but never the less, it's quite overwhelming as you enter it.

If you go to Ukraine or Russia than you see similar things but with Viking or Rus flavor.

One way or the other, the Albanian frescoes in Kastoria are somewhat more naive but it was a province and Albanian lords had less money than Great Dukes of Novgorod or Kralj Milutin. Or Mihai the Brave.

Things became much worse with arrival of Ottomans in Europe. What begun to show some very promising things (the rise of Albanians next to other cultures) was destroyed, with other cultures together.

As Albanians were the youngest and thus the weakest link, they probably lost the most.

And it still shows today.

On the other hand Ukrainians (and Russians) paid extreme toll in money and lives to survive and preserve what they had/have. It's "just" their / our numbers are bigger = more left.

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

Ardian...

Minimum wage is determined by many factors, by GDP, per capita income, purchasing power parity and most importantly the supply demand of Labour... supermarkets by law must pay minimum wage, but they could pay higher wages if they wanted to and if they could afford to.

Look at China, 1.4 billion people, China is abundant in low skilled labour and therefore the wages are low, but minimum wage has been increasing steadily in China because of labour in the bigger cities has been decreasing and more demand for workers increases.

If a supermarket experiences a shortage of labour and high demand then it would have no choice but to increase wages to attract more workes.

The wages in supermarkets differ around the world as a result of the above factors. Your supermarket may be earning millions in profit and could increase your wages, but many of us live in capitalist countries with business owners that are hungry for profit. They must pay you minimum wage and increase prices to make profit so that they may invest that capital and build more supermarkets... governments accept this because more supermarkets means more employment, which means more revenue for government. This is what capitalism is all about, making profit, investing that profit to create more employment and even more profit.

Watch the "accent of money dreams of avarice" on you tube. It explains capitalism and money very well..

Ataman

pre 8 godina

>>>The same can be said of you, no one asked you to go to America

No, they DID ask me. They kept doing it for nearly a year. I did not want. Neither my wife. 100% true. Do you know the meaning of H1B ? I am the one who did not want to come to America, they tried their best to get me. They got me at the end but I made all efforts to resist them.

Sorry, you are wrong 100%.

Besides, I have no friggin idea, why in 1993 anyone with Hungarian or Russian background could claim honestly something like "asylum" in United States. The only who could prosecute me would be the tax authorities. Yeltsin or Árpád Göntz were 100% democratically elected and the best friends of USA and Albanians in Kosovo. Not having mood to pay Hungarian or Russian taxes is not a legal base to seek a refugee status, ROFL. I do not have Albanian or Kosovo citizenship.

The only legal and respected way to get the U.S. citizenship for us is through H1B.
But that means, someone has literally beg you to come.

Drymades

pre 8 godina

Adrian, it's a long story but basically Albania has been changing its allies faster than the light, since its creation as an independent state. Albania has always flirted with the East, stole everything could be stolen from its allies, took advantage of everything the East allowed us to, and then Hoxha discovered that Tito, Hrushov, Mao, your Ceausescu, Dimitrov, they all betrayed the true spirit of marxism-leninism, they wanted to steal our land they had no principled politics, whereas we were so principled and basically the only ones who remained faithful to Marx. Bullshit, it was just Hoxha's fear to be replaced or at least outplayed. Albania proved to be the Eastern bloc's most unreliable country. And we never paid our debts to those countries either. China has been recently insisting that a good start would imply for Albania to recognize, at least recognize, its own debts, which amounted to $82.7 mln just for the decade 1955-1963, citing Jan Prybyla here. Now, I totally agree with my fav pundit in geopolitics here, Nikola, only a huge new federation of Slavic and non-Slavic countries would save the East. Although I'm aware that this is just my wishful thinking and that we are going to further elaborate on this topic once we move to Siberia's cold basements. Ah, Serbiana's horrendous sinful works, would have said Lenard đŸ˜Š

The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

I feel no pity if such "refugees" learn about the Greek 25 Kilovolt 50 Hz the hard way, Darwin's work, good riddance. No one asked them to come.
(Ataman, 6 December 2015 02:46)

Ataman,
The same can be said of you, no one asked you to go to America. Get of your high horse. Do you really think Americans wanted you in the U.S. so you could criticize them and act as if you knew everything. You're just a typical East European blowhard.

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

NIKOLA NOVAKOVIC Serbs are more agressive than Romanians against West why nobody set up a law in Belgrade that a supermarket to pay minimum salary 500 euro per month or 1200 euro per month as in West ? i mean why never happen this not matter what country ?

The supermarket won`t close the bussines are many costumers they sell MILIONS .

Why Nikola Novakovic ? Why they are greedy to pay minimum salary to ? what differences does make few money in + or - at salary of under 100 workers if they make MILIONS

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

Nikola Novakovic i would join to any EMPIRE West East Slavic just to live good !

btw for Kosovo was better to stay under Serbia at least it had better education system and better health system

Belgrade should put a visa for Kosovo people cause probaly they go in Belgrade as they were used in 1980s for solve problems 1990s

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

To ardian...

Albania never excelled in sport because of poor infrastructure, where are all the tennies courts, baskeball courts, olympic size swimming pools, soccer feilds and so on... where is the institution for sport and how does it compare to Germany or America... countries which win medals in sports and excel in sports have very well financed sports academys, they also have world class infrastructure which their athletes can train in... Albania does not do very well in sports because of these reasons, the leaders of the country never invested in sport or really promoted it.

Albanian Development has also suffered due to poor policy making, corruption, poor leadership after WWII and an underfunded education system... ardian, have a look at Japan, Singapore, South korea and most importantly Taiwan, all these countries invested heavily in education after WWII and taiwan at the end of WWII had the same GDP as Ghana... Taiwan invested heavily in education which increased its GDP significantly and now taiwan is a rich country... Taiwan, South korea, singapore and Hong Kong are known as the Tiger economies due to their rapid growth after WWII, it was their policies and most importantly their investment in education which allowed for such rapid growth...

With the right government and right policies many countries would be able to achieve similar rapid growth as the tiger economies in asia...

Sorry Ardian, word limit reached...

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

Nikola Novakovic i don`t know who you are exactly but seince we stoped the war , i would like you because you write long sentence . Why Albania never exceled and excelen in absolutly nothing ? They always were the most stupid in sport , in economy , in developments Why Nikola Novakovic ?

Ukraine with all war they have the cities from Ukraine are net and totaly superior to Albanian ones . And Albania have gdp per capita more big just to someone who have a war or some temporar problems or a Moldova !

Nikola Novakovic , i am waiting for your answer . and don`t forget that Albania is small + WATER everywhere ( could live from tourism )

Nikola Novakovic WHY ?

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

Ardian bucherest, my Romanian neighbor...

If Romania was ever to join a slavic empire which extends from Russia down to the balkans, your country would have greater riches than that of Germany... the EU will only give you riches greater than those which are not in the EU and the EU may even Give you greater debt than before you joined the EU, such as the case with Greece...

Who benefits in the EU... well the biggest corporations, the multinationals... they have a greater market to sell in with little to no tariffs... they multinationals have a greater supply of cheap labour and an educated work force which means they benefit... the people also benefit from increased employment, but it is not high wage employment... many countries are still stuck in the middle income trap and find it hard to transition into a high income society... in fact there has only been about 13 countries out of 90 countries since the 1980s which have made a successful transition from middle income to a high income society...

Ardian, if there ever was to be a slavic empire, Romania will enjoy the spoil of the riches which will come, just as the west has enjoyed to spoil of the riches from the poor... this is no lie, the poor give more to the rich then the rich give to the poor... the rich give you 300 million dollar loan, you give them back 600 million through interest... massive transfer of wealth from poor to rich..

Ataman

pre 8 godina

Of course, they expect peace. Like everyone else. Even more. We expect that the politicians do protect us so no San Bernardino, no Paris and no tourist airplanes falling from the sky.

The entire thing did not work as expected and all people I know are mad.

The first thing they want to see in hell is that botched "wilkommenskultur", "otvori srce" / "отвори срце" / "open your heart".

The heart will be firmly closed and the rest of the body in full alarm... as long as kasha is a "food good for dogs and women only" or Croatia "bad country, bad makaron, asyl no good, German asyl more money, is good".

I feel no pity if such "refugees" learn about the Greek 25 Kilovolt 50 Hz the hard way, Darwin's work, good riddance. No one asked them to come.

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

To arn. Sweeden...

We don't know the future, but there is an old saying which we can use to predict the future and it is very true... history repeats itself....!

Now if history repeats itself we can take the good points of history and repeat them and work tirelessly not to repeat the bad points of history...

Serbia was always destined to become a great nation, it did achieve its goal under Yugoslavia, but unfortunately foreigners found a weakness, they targeted that weakness in Yugoslavia to divide and conquer the slavs... the West witnessed a strong and influential Yugoslavia and they knew if they did not stop it, the strength would have doubled every couple of years...

History shows us that people which are truly united will prosper in every area, socially, politically, economically and militarily... look at the US, it was divided, it had a civil war and then united to become a superpower, look at the USSR it united and became a superpower, look at China, it was divided and warlords run each province in China, then it united all provinces and is becoming a superpower. Look at Germany, it united under Bismark and a few decades later almost took over Europe, look at the United Kingdom, the english united their region and remains a significant power... it is no lie, divided we shall fall and united we shall stand...

I agree with you arn. Sweeden, Serbia will once again rise to the top...

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

i have a question for anyone , why in Germany a supermarket pay in a village 1500 euro per month and why in big cities as Belgrade and Bucharest they don`t pay even 500 euro ? they sell more

We are all controled by West

The point of Nikola Novakovic is good but i think it should be riots as happened in romania in special in 2012 and center of city burned google " proteste bucuresti 2012 "

We are milions of people , West companies are few people ! we can decide in our countries ........

All in All i think we will always be the slave of West and under West ( all East Europe )

Why here in East not matter of the policy why we are all stupid ?

Arn.Sweden.

pre 8 godina

Sir - as a Red you dont know the Future of Serbia - I quote -

(Nikola Novakovic, 5 December 2015 11:22).

Comment - Future Serbia will be muck more Powerfull and Big,
than Former Yugoslavia.

" Whom has said that Serbia is small " ! -

People will be amazed as how big it will become.

Arn.Sweden.

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

I finised the war with Nikola Novakovic and Rote and Jugoslavija , i won`t be anymore offensive not matter what they will say or happen + not say anymore about Serbia , i will say just about topics

As for Yugoslavia it really was a strong country totaly over Romania without a doubt actualy it was the most strong from East Europe .

1) Tourism seea accces of Croatia and Montenegro

2) sport imagine what would happened if Yugoslavia won`t had split

3) very good medical system

4) freedoom + educated people who worked or traveled in West

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

Although individual states have controversial positions and attitudes, only united we can live in peace and next to each other," said Steinmeier.

Only United will the balkans be able to live in peace... Yugoslavia was a great country which achieved unbelievable things, it was a powerful communist country which influenced the world...

Imagine if Yugoslavia was around today, it may have been capitalist and it could have been in the EU and performing strong... If the slavs were still United in the Balkans, Yugoslavia would be a strong country with large tourism, a internationally competitive national airline, it could have hosted the Olympics as it did with the winter Olympics in Bosnia, it could have been a big exported for numerous products, a large well trained army to fend off any attacks on Europe, an excellent transportation network linking all countries in the Balkans and a world class health and education system...

Yugoslavia achieve many great feats during its time, one can only imagine how much more it could have achieved if it still existed today... Anyhow, like steinmier says, only unity will bring peace to Europe and only unity in the Balkans will bring peace to the slavs... If we continue to be divided, then we will remain conquered, peace will not exist for us, Yugoslavia will just be a memory of who we were, one of the most powerful countries in Europe...

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

PEACE

Seince now i won`t attack anymore Serbia or compare Serbia with Romania and this kind of stuff , i am not a bad person but i been provocated by some Serbs in a Serbian chat + a former Serbian friend ( been provocated often )

Seince today i end the hate ! not matter what others will say after all we have someting in comune -> same religion

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

Although individual states have controversial positions and attitudes, only united we can live in peace and next to each other," said Steinmeier.

Only United will the balkans be able to live in peace... Yugoslavia was a great country which achieved unbelievable things, it was a powerful communist country which influenced the world...

Imagine if Yugoslavia was around today, it may have been capitalist and it could have been in the EU and performing strong... If the slavs were still United in the Balkans, Yugoslavia would be a strong country with large tourism, a internationally competitive national airline, it could have hosted the Olympics as it did with the winter Olympics in Bosnia, it could have been a big exported for numerous products, a large well trained army to fend off any attacks on Europe, an excellent transportation network linking all countries in the Balkans and a world class health and education system...

Yugoslavia achieve many great feats during its time, one can only imagine how much more it could have achieved if it still existed today... Anyhow, like steinmier says, only unity will bring peace to Europe and only unity in the Balkans will bring peace to the slavs... If we continue to be divided, then we will remain conquered, peace will not exist for us, Yugoslavia will just be a memory of who we were, one of the most powerful countries in Europe...

Arn.Sweden.

pre 8 godina

Sir - as a Red you dont know the Future of Serbia - I quote -

(Nikola Novakovic, 5 December 2015 11:22).

Comment - Future Serbia will be muck more Powerfull and Big,
than Former Yugoslavia.

" Whom has said that Serbia is small " ! -

People will be amazed as how big it will become.

Arn.Sweden.

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

To arn. Sweeden...

We don't know the future, but there is an old saying which we can use to predict the future and it is very true... history repeats itself....!

Now if history repeats itself we can take the good points of history and repeat them and work tirelessly not to repeat the bad points of history...

Serbia was always destined to become a great nation, it did achieve its goal under Yugoslavia, but unfortunately foreigners found a weakness, they targeted that weakness in Yugoslavia to divide and conquer the slavs... the West witnessed a strong and influential Yugoslavia and they knew if they did not stop it, the strength would have doubled every couple of years...

History shows us that people which are truly united will prosper in every area, socially, politically, economically and militarily... look at the US, it was divided, it had a civil war and then united to become a superpower, look at the USSR it united and became a superpower, look at China, it was divided and warlords run each province in China, then it united all provinces and is becoming a superpower. Look at Germany, it united under Bismark and a few decades later almost took over Europe, look at the United Kingdom, the english united their region and remains a significant power... it is no lie, divided we shall fall and united we shall stand...

I agree with you arn. Sweeden, Serbia will once again rise to the top...

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

Ardian bucherest, my Romanian neighbor...

If Romania was ever to join a slavic empire which extends from Russia down to the balkans, your country would have greater riches than that of Germany... the EU will only give you riches greater than those which are not in the EU and the EU may even Give you greater debt than before you joined the EU, such as the case with Greece...

Who benefits in the EU... well the biggest corporations, the multinationals... they have a greater market to sell in with little to no tariffs... they multinationals have a greater supply of cheap labour and an educated work force which means they benefit... the people also benefit from increased employment, but it is not high wage employment... many countries are still stuck in the middle income trap and find it hard to transition into a high income society... in fact there has only been about 13 countries out of 90 countries since the 1980s which have made a successful transition from middle income to a high income society...

Ardian, if there ever was to be a slavic empire, Romania will enjoy the spoil of the riches which will come, just as the west has enjoyed to spoil of the riches from the poor... this is no lie, the poor give more to the rich then the rich give to the poor... the rich give you 300 million dollar loan, you give them back 600 million through interest... massive transfer of wealth from poor to rich..

The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

I feel no pity if such "refugees" learn about the Greek 25 Kilovolt 50 Hz the hard way, Darwin's work, good riddance. No one asked them to come.
(Ataman, 6 December 2015 02:46)

Ataman,
The same can be said of you, no one asked you to go to America. Get of your high horse. Do you really think Americans wanted you in the U.S. so you could criticize them and act as if you knew everything. You're just a typical East European blowhard.

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

i have a question for anyone , why in Germany a supermarket pay in a village 1500 euro per month and why in big cities as Belgrade and Bucharest they don`t pay even 500 euro ? they sell more

We are all controled by West

The point of Nikola Novakovic is good but i think it should be riots as happened in romania in special in 2012 and center of city burned google " proteste bucuresti 2012 "

We are milions of people , West companies are few people ! we can decide in our countries ........

All in All i think we will always be the slave of West and under West ( all East Europe )

Why here in East not matter of the policy why we are all stupid ?

Ataman

pre 8 godina

Of course, they expect peace. Like everyone else. Even more. We expect that the politicians do protect us so no San Bernardino, no Paris and no tourist airplanes falling from the sky.

The entire thing did not work as expected and all people I know are mad.

The first thing they want to see in hell is that botched "wilkommenskultur", "otvori srce" / "отвори срце" / "open your heart".

The heart will be firmly closed and the rest of the body in full alarm... as long as kasha is a "food good for dogs and women only" or Croatia "bad country, bad makaron, asyl no good, German asyl more money, is good".

I feel no pity if such "refugees" learn about the Greek 25 Kilovolt 50 Hz the hard way, Darwin's work, good riddance. No one asked them to come.

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

Nikola Novakovic i don`t know who you are exactly but seince we stoped the war , i would like you because you write long sentence . Why Albania never exceled and excelen in absolutly nothing ? They always were the most stupid in sport , in economy , in developments Why Nikola Novakovic ?

Ukraine with all war they have the cities from Ukraine are net and totaly superior to Albanian ones . And Albania have gdp per capita more big just to someone who have a war or some temporar problems or a Moldova !

Nikola Novakovic , i am waiting for your answer . and don`t forget that Albania is small + WATER everywhere ( could live from tourism )

Nikola Novakovic WHY ?

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

PEACE

Seince now i won`t attack anymore Serbia or compare Serbia with Romania and this kind of stuff , i am not a bad person but i been provocated by some Serbs in a Serbian chat + a former Serbian friend ( been provocated often )

Seince today i end the hate ! not matter what others will say after all we have someting in comune -> same religion

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

To ardian...

Albania never excelled in sport because of poor infrastructure, where are all the tennies courts, baskeball courts, olympic size swimming pools, soccer feilds and so on... where is the institution for sport and how does it compare to Germany or America... countries which win medals in sports and excel in sports have very well financed sports academys, they also have world class infrastructure which their athletes can train in... Albania does not do very well in sports because of these reasons, the leaders of the country never invested in sport or really promoted it.

Albanian Development has also suffered due to poor policy making, corruption, poor leadership after WWII and an underfunded education system... ardian, have a look at Japan, Singapore, South korea and most importantly Taiwan, all these countries invested heavily in education after WWII and taiwan at the end of WWII had the same GDP as Ghana... Taiwan invested heavily in education which increased its GDP significantly and now taiwan is a rich country... Taiwan, South korea, singapore and Hong Kong are known as the Tiger economies due to their rapid growth after WWII, it was their policies and most importantly their investment in education which allowed for such rapid growth...

With the right government and right policies many countries would be able to achieve similar rapid growth as the tiger economies in asia...

Sorry Ardian, word limit reached...

Drymades

pre 8 godina

Adrian, it's a long story but basically Albania has been changing its allies faster than the light, since its creation as an independent state. Albania has always flirted with the East, stole everything could be stolen from its allies, took advantage of everything the East allowed us to, and then Hoxha discovered that Tito, Hrushov, Mao, your Ceausescu, Dimitrov, they all betrayed the true spirit of marxism-leninism, they wanted to steal our land they had no principled politics, whereas we were so principled and basically the only ones who remained faithful to Marx. Bullshit, it was just Hoxha's fear to be replaced or at least outplayed. Albania proved to be the Eastern bloc's most unreliable country. And we never paid our debts to those countries either. China has been recently insisting that a good start would imply for Albania to recognize, at least recognize, its own debts, which amounted to $82.7 mln just for the decade 1955-1963, citing Jan Prybyla here. Now, I totally agree with my fav pundit in geopolitics here, Nikola, only a huge new federation of Slavic and non-Slavic countries would save the East. Although I'm aware that this is just my wishful thinking and that we are going to further elaborate on this topic once we move to Siberia's cold basements. Ah, Serbiana's horrendous sinful works, would have said Lenard đŸ˜Š

Ataman

pre 8 godina

>>>The same can be said of you, no one asked you to go to America

No, they DID ask me. They kept doing it for nearly a year. I did not want. Neither my wife. 100% true. Do you know the meaning of H1B ? I am the one who did not want to come to America, they tried their best to get me. They got me at the end but I made all efforts to resist them.

Sorry, you are wrong 100%.

Besides, I have no friggin idea, why in 1993 anyone with Hungarian or Russian background could claim honestly something like "asylum" in United States. The only who could prosecute me would be the tax authorities. Yeltsin or Árpád Göntz were 100% democratically elected and the best friends of USA and Albanians in Kosovo. Not having mood to pay Hungarian or Russian taxes is not a legal base to seek a refugee status, ROFL. I do not have Albanian or Kosovo citizenship.

The only legal and respected way to get the U.S. citizenship for us is through H1B.
But that means, someone has literally beg you to come.

Ataman

pre 8 godina

Adrian,

Albania became just recently something like a country. In last 3-4 thousand years we can talk about some relatively primitive mountain tribes who had no writing.
The coastal parts were settled by Roman settlers and they were better off. Things started to be (quite) better around 11th - 13th century and you can find some really nice churches (frescoes!) around Kastoria, now Greece. These frescoes can't be compared with, say, Humor (that's not a joke, it's Humor like Monastery in Romania) or Studenica or Mileshevo in Serbia. Decani is rather quantity than quality (of frescoes) but never the less, it's quite overwhelming as you enter it.

If you go to Ukraine or Russia than you see similar things but with Viking or Rus flavor.

One way or the other, the Albanian frescoes in Kastoria are somewhat more naive but it was a province and Albanian lords had less money than Great Dukes of Novgorod or Kralj Milutin. Or Mihai the Brave.

Things became much worse with arrival of Ottomans in Europe. What begun to show some very promising things (the rise of Albanians next to other cultures) was destroyed, with other cultures together.

As Albanians were the youngest and thus the weakest link, they probably lost the most.

And it still shows today.

On the other hand Ukrainians (and Russians) paid extreme toll in money and lives to survive and preserve what they had/have. It's "just" their / our numbers are bigger = more left.

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

NIKOLA NOVAKOVIC Serbs are more agressive than Romanians against West why nobody set up a law in Belgrade that a supermarket to pay minimum salary 500 euro per month or 1200 euro per month as in West ? i mean why never happen this not matter what country ?

The supermarket won`t close the bussines are many costumers they sell MILIONS .

Why Nikola Novakovic ? Why they are greedy to pay minimum salary to ? what differences does make few money in + or - at salary of under 100 workers if they make MILIONS

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

Ardian...

Minimum wage is determined by many factors, by GDP, per capita income, purchasing power parity and most importantly the supply demand of Labour... supermarkets by law must pay minimum wage, but they could pay higher wages if they wanted to and if they could afford to.

Look at China, 1.4 billion people, China is abundant in low skilled labour and therefore the wages are low, but minimum wage has been increasing steadily in China because of labour in the bigger cities has been decreasing and more demand for workers increases.

If a supermarket experiences a shortage of labour and high demand then it would have no choice but to increase wages to attract more workes.

The wages in supermarkets differ around the world as a result of the above factors. Your supermarket may be earning millions in profit and could increase your wages, but many of us live in capitalist countries with business owners that are hungry for profit. They must pay you minimum wage and increase prices to make profit so that they may invest that capital and build more supermarkets... governments accept this because more supermarkets means more employment, which means more revenue for government. This is what capitalism is all about, making profit, investing that profit to create more employment and even more profit.

Watch the "accent of money dreams of avarice" on you tube. It explains capitalism and money very well..

icj1

pre 8 godina

if there ever was to be a slavic empire, Romania will enjoy the spoil of the riches which will come
(Nikola Novakovic, 6 December 2015 02:13)

Lol how? Details mate, details...
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the poor give more to the rich then the rich give to the poor... the rich give you 300 million dollar loan, you give them back 600 million through interest... massive transfer of wealth from poor to rich..
(Nikola Novakovic, 6 December 2015 02:13)

What a BS!!! Money has time value, mate. 1 EUR today is worth more than 1 EUR next year. So, the "rich" give 300 million TODAY and the "poor" give back 600 million, but NOT TODAY, rather over many years in the future. The TODAY's value of those 600 million future payments is EXACTLY 300 million, so the transfer of wealth is 0!

Do you have any more ignorant comments to make, mate?

icj1

pre 8 godina

Imagine if Yugoslavia was around today, it may have been capitalist and it could have been in the EU and performing strong... If the slavs were still United in the Balkans
(Nikola Novakovic, 5 December 2015 11:22)

Sure, if this and if that and if many ifs... Yugoslavia is dead because it was an artificial union of people who hated each other and did not want to live together... crying about it, it's not going to bring it back to life.

Live the present and work for a better future mate!

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

I finised the war with Nikola Novakovic and Rote and Jugoslavija , i won`t be anymore offensive not matter what they will say or happen + not say anymore about Serbia , i will say just about topics

As for Yugoslavia it really was a strong country totaly over Romania without a doubt actualy it was the most strong from East Europe .

1) Tourism seea accces of Croatia and Montenegro

2) sport imagine what would happened if Yugoslavia won`t had split

3) very good medical system

4) freedoom + educated people who worked or traveled in West

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

Nikola Novakovic i would join to any EMPIRE West East Slavic just to live good !

btw for Kosovo was better to stay under Serbia at least it had better education system and better health system

Belgrade should put a visa for Kosovo people cause probaly they go in Belgrade as they were used in 1980s for solve problems 1990s

Ataman

pre 8 godina

In a nutshell, Your Highness Count - I do not deny being a "typical East European blowhard". But they (Americans) were dumb enough not only beg me to come, they even volunteered to pay for my H1B and for my "Green Card" and told me "thank you" and "please".

I could be lucky - but I really never wanted to go there. I just sold myself because at one point the bid was high enough, babies were coming and extra Dollar never hurts. That's how I became "American". I never even mentioned the word "asyl" and "please help me". To the contrary - we paid their taxes and social security even before settling there and as non-resident alien even over-paid them.

My conscience is 100% clear, I never received a single Cent from American public money, be it State or Federal level. And to be honest, I am not comfortable to ask them.

Until I retire. And if I retire I know, I still over-paid because if you live outside of U.S., you receive Social Security only, no Medicare - even if you contributed to Medicare for decades.

There you go, your Highness Mr. Count - if you immigrate on H1B you will be in the same boat. But you still have to denounce any nobility title like Count or Marquis before you apply to the citizenship. Your beloved Clint ruled that having multiple citizenships is OK. But no noble title, to bad for you.

But their Social Security as much people may complain about it is still one of the best - if you contribute enough and work your butt off there for a while.

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

PEACE

Seince now i won`t attack anymore Serbia or compare Serbia with Romania and this kind of stuff , i am not a bad person but i been provocated by some Serbs in a Serbian chat + a former Serbian friend ( been provocated often )

Seince today i end the hate ! not matter what others will say after all we have someting in comune -> same religion

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

i have a question for anyone , why in Germany a supermarket pay in a village 1500 euro per month and why in big cities as Belgrade and Bucharest they don`t pay even 500 euro ? they sell more

We are all controled by West

The point of Nikola Novakovic is good but i think it should be riots as happened in romania in special in 2012 and center of city burned google " proteste bucuresti 2012 "

We are milions of people , West companies are few people ! we can decide in our countries ........

All in All i think we will always be the slave of West and under West ( all East Europe )

Why here in East not matter of the policy why we are all stupid ?

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

I finised the war with Nikola Novakovic and Rote and Jugoslavija , i won`t be anymore offensive not matter what they will say or happen + not say anymore about Serbia , i will say just about topics

As for Yugoslavia it really was a strong country totaly over Romania without a doubt actualy it was the most strong from East Europe .

1) Tourism seea accces of Croatia and Montenegro

2) sport imagine what would happened if Yugoslavia won`t had split

3) very good medical system

4) freedoom + educated people who worked or traveled in West

Arn.Sweden.

pre 8 godina

Sir - as a Red you dont know the Future of Serbia - I quote -

(Nikola Novakovic, 5 December 2015 11:22).

Comment - Future Serbia will be muck more Powerfull and Big,
than Former Yugoslavia.

" Whom has said that Serbia is small " ! -

People will be amazed as how big it will become.

Arn.Sweden.

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

Nikola Novakovic i don`t know who you are exactly but seince we stoped the war , i would like you because you write long sentence . Why Albania never exceled and excelen in absolutly nothing ? They always were the most stupid in sport , in economy , in developments Why Nikola Novakovic ?

Ukraine with all war they have the cities from Ukraine are net and totaly superior to Albanian ones . And Albania have gdp per capita more big just to someone who have a war or some temporar problems or a Moldova !

Nikola Novakovic , i am waiting for your answer . and don`t forget that Albania is small + WATER everywhere ( could live from tourism )

Nikola Novakovic WHY ?

Ataman

pre 8 godina

Adrian,

Albania became just recently something like a country. In last 3-4 thousand years we can talk about some relatively primitive mountain tribes who had no writing.
The coastal parts were settled by Roman settlers and they were better off. Things started to be (quite) better around 11th - 13th century and you can find some really nice churches (frescoes!) around Kastoria, now Greece. These frescoes can't be compared with, say, Humor (that's not a joke, it's Humor like Monastery in Romania) or Studenica or Mileshevo in Serbia. Decani is rather quantity than quality (of frescoes) but never the less, it's quite overwhelming as you enter it.

If you go to Ukraine or Russia than you see similar things but with Viking or Rus flavor.

One way or the other, the Albanian frescoes in Kastoria are somewhat more naive but it was a province and Albanian lords had less money than Great Dukes of Novgorod or Kralj Milutin. Or Mihai the Brave.

Things became much worse with arrival of Ottomans in Europe. What begun to show some very promising things (the rise of Albanians next to other cultures) was destroyed, with other cultures together.

As Albanians were the youngest and thus the weakest link, they probably lost the most.

And it still shows today.

On the other hand Ukrainians (and Russians) paid extreme toll in money and lives to survive and preserve what they had/have. It's "just" their / our numbers are bigger = more left.

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

Although individual states have controversial positions and attitudes, only united we can live in peace and next to each other," said Steinmeier.

Only United will the balkans be able to live in peace... Yugoslavia was a great country which achieved unbelievable things, it was a powerful communist country which influenced the world...

Imagine if Yugoslavia was around today, it may have been capitalist and it could have been in the EU and performing strong... If the slavs were still United in the Balkans, Yugoslavia would be a strong country with large tourism, a internationally competitive national airline, it could have hosted the Olympics as it did with the winter Olympics in Bosnia, it could have been a big exported for numerous products, a large well trained army to fend off any attacks on Europe, an excellent transportation network linking all countries in the Balkans and a world class health and education system...

Yugoslavia achieve many great feats during its time, one can only imagine how much more it could have achieved if it still existed today... Anyhow, like steinmier says, only unity will bring peace to Europe and only unity in the Balkans will bring peace to the slavs... If we continue to be divided, then we will remain conquered, peace will not exist for us, Yugoslavia will just be a memory of who we were, one of the most powerful countries in Europe...

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

To arn. Sweeden...

We don't know the future, but there is an old saying which we can use to predict the future and it is very true... history repeats itself....!

Now if history repeats itself we can take the good points of history and repeat them and work tirelessly not to repeat the bad points of history...

Serbia was always destined to become a great nation, it did achieve its goal under Yugoslavia, but unfortunately foreigners found a weakness, they targeted that weakness in Yugoslavia to divide and conquer the slavs... the West witnessed a strong and influential Yugoslavia and they knew if they did not stop it, the strength would have doubled every couple of years...

History shows us that people which are truly united will prosper in every area, socially, politically, economically and militarily... look at the US, it was divided, it had a civil war and then united to become a superpower, look at the USSR it united and became a superpower, look at China, it was divided and warlords run each province in China, then it united all provinces and is becoming a superpower. Look at Germany, it united under Bismark and a few decades later almost took over Europe, look at the United Kingdom, the english united their region and remains a significant power... it is no lie, divided we shall fall and united we shall stand...

I agree with you arn. Sweeden, Serbia will once again rise to the top...

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

Ardian bucherest, my Romanian neighbor...

If Romania was ever to join a slavic empire which extends from Russia down to the balkans, your country would have greater riches than that of Germany... the EU will only give you riches greater than those which are not in the EU and the EU may even Give you greater debt than before you joined the EU, such as the case with Greece...

Who benefits in the EU... well the biggest corporations, the multinationals... they have a greater market to sell in with little to no tariffs... they multinationals have a greater supply of cheap labour and an educated work force which means they benefit... the people also benefit from increased employment, but it is not high wage employment... many countries are still stuck in the middle income trap and find it hard to transition into a high income society... in fact there has only been about 13 countries out of 90 countries since the 1980s which have made a successful transition from middle income to a high income society...

Ardian, if there ever was to be a slavic empire, Romania will enjoy the spoil of the riches which will come, just as the west has enjoyed to spoil of the riches from the poor... this is no lie, the poor give more to the rich then the rich give to the poor... the rich give you 300 million dollar loan, you give them back 600 million through interest... massive transfer of wealth from poor to rich..

Drymades

pre 8 godina

Adrian, it's a long story but basically Albania has been changing its allies faster than the light, since its creation as an independent state. Albania has always flirted with the East, stole everything could be stolen from its allies, took advantage of everything the East allowed us to, and then Hoxha discovered that Tito, Hrushov, Mao, your Ceausescu, Dimitrov, they all betrayed the true spirit of marxism-leninism, they wanted to steal our land they had no principled politics, whereas we were so principled and basically the only ones who remained faithful to Marx. Bullshit, it was just Hoxha's fear to be replaced or at least outplayed. Albania proved to be the Eastern bloc's most unreliable country. And we never paid our debts to those countries either. China has been recently insisting that a good start would imply for Albania to recognize, at least recognize, its own debts, which amounted to $82.7 mln just for the decade 1955-1963, citing Jan Prybyla here. Now, I totally agree with my fav pundit in geopolitics here, Nikola, only a huge new federation of Slavic and non-Slavic countries would save the East. Although I'm aware that this is just my wishful thinking and that we are going to further elaborate on this topic once we move to Siberia's cold basements. Ah, Serbiana's horrendous sinful works, would have said Lenard đŸ˜Š

Ataman

pre 8 godina

Of course, they expect peace. Like everyone else. Even more. We expect that the politicians do protect us so no San Bernardino, no Paris and no tourist airplanes falling from the sky.

The entire thing did not work as expected and all people I know are mad.

The first thing they want to see in hell is that botched "wilkommenskultur", "otvori srce" / "отвори срце" / "open your heart".

The heart will be firmly closed and the rest of the body in full alarm... as long as kasha is a "food good for dogs and women only" or Croatia "bad country, bad makaron, asyl no good, German asyl more money, is good".

I feel no pity if such "refugees" learn about the Greek 25 Kilovolt 50 Hz the hard way, Darwin's work, good riddance. No one asked them to come.

The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

I feel no pity if such "refugees" learn about the Greek 25 Kilovolt 50 Hz the hard way, Darwin's work, good riddance. No one asked them to come.
(Ataman, 6 December 2015 02:46)

Ataman,
The same can be said of you, no one asked you to go to America. Get of your high horse. Do you really think Americans wanted you in the U.S. so you could criticize them and act as if you knew everything. You're just a typical East European blowhard.

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

Nikola Novakovic i would join to any EMPIRE West East Slavic just to live good !

btw for Kosovo was better to stay under Serbia at least it had better education system and better health system

Belgrade should put a visa for Kosovo people cause probaly they go in Belgrade as they were used in 1980s for solve problems 1990s

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

NIKOLA NOVAKOVIC Serbs are more agressive than Romanians against West why nobody set up a law in Belgrade that a supermarket to pay minimum salary 500 euro per month or 1200 euro per month as in West ? i mean why never happen this not matter what country ?

The supermarket won`t close the bussines are many costumers they sell MILIONS .

Why Nikola Novakovic ? Why they are greedy to pay minimum salary to ? what differences does make few money in + or - at salary of under 100 workers if they make MILIONS

Ataman

pre 8 godina

>>>The same can be said of you, no one asked you to go to America

No, they DID ask me. They kept doing it for nearly a year. I did not want. Neither my wife. 100% true. Do you know the meaning of H1B ? I am the one who did not want to come to America, they tried their best to get me. They got me at the end but I made all efforts to resist them.

Sorry, you are wrong 100%.

Besides, I have no friggin idea, why in 1993 anyone with Hungarian or Russian background could claim honestly something like "asylum" in United States. The only who could prosecute me would be the tax authorities. Yeltsin or Árpád Göntz were 100% democratically elected and the best friends of USA and Albanians in Kosovo. Not having mood to pay Hungarian or Russian taxes is not a legal base to seek a refugee status, ROFL. I do not have Albanian or Kosovo citizenship.

The only legal and respected way to get the U.S. citizenship for us is through H1B.
But that means, someone has literally beg you to come.

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

Ardian...

Minimum wage is determined by many factors, by GDP, per capita income, purchasing power parity and most importantly the supply demand of Labour... supermarkets by law must pay minimum wage, but they could pay higher wages if they wanted to and if they could afford to.

Look at China, 1.4 billion people, China is abundant in low skilled labour and therefore the wages are low, but minimum wage has been increasing steadily in China because of labour in the bigger cities has been decreasing and more demand for workers increases.

If a supermarket experiences a shortage of labour and high demand then it would have no choice but to increase wages to attract more workes.

The wages in supermarkets differ around the world as a result of the above factors. Your supermarket may be earning millions in profit and could increase your wages, but many of us live in capitalist countries with business owners that are hungry for profit. They must pay you minimum wage and increase prices to make profit so that they may invest that capital and build more supermarkets... governments accept this because more supermarkets means more employment, which means more revenue for government. This is what capitalism is all about, making profit, investing that profit to create more employment and even more profit.

Watch the "accent of money dreams of avarice" on you tube. It explains capitalism and money very well..

Ataman

pre 8 godina

In a nutshell, Your Highness Count - I do not deny being a "typical East European blowhard". But they (Americans) were dumb enough not only beg me to come, they even volunteered to pay for my H1B and for my "Green Card" and told me "thank you" and "please".

I could be lucky - but I really never wanted to go there. I just sold myself because at one point the bid was high enough, babies were coming and extra Dollar never hurts. That's how I became "American". I never even mentioned the word "asyl" and "please help me". To the contrary - we paid their taxes and social security even before settling there and as non-resident alien even over-paid them.

My conscience is 100% clear, I never received a single Cent from American public money, be it State or Federal level. And to be honest, I am not comfortable to ask them.

Until I retire. And if I retire I know, I still over-paid because if you live outside of U.S., you receive Social Security only, no Medicare - even if you contributed to Medicare for decades.

There you go, your Highness Mr. Count - if you immigrate on H1B you will be in the same boat. But you still have to denounce any nobility title like Count or Marquis before you apply to the citizenship. Your beloved Clint ruled that having multiple citizenships is OK. But no noble title, to bad for you.

But their Social Security as much people may complain about it is still one of the best - if you contribute enough and work your butt off there for a while.

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

To ardian...

Albania never excelled in sport because of poor infrastructure, where are all the tennies courts, baskeball courts, olympic size swimming pools, soccer feilds and so on... where is the institution for sport and how does it compare to Germany or America... countries which win medals in sports and excel in sports have very well financed sports academys, they also have world class infrastructure which their athletes can train in... Albania does not do very well in sports because of these reasons, the leaders of the country never invested in sport or really promoted it.

Albanian Development has also suffered due to poor policy making, corruption, poor leadership after WWII and an underfunded education system... ardian, have a look at Japan, Singapore, South korea and most importantly Taiwan, all these countries invested heavily in education after WWII and taiwan at the end of WWII had the same GDP as Ghana... Taiwan invested heavily in education which increased its GDP significantly and now taiwan is a rich country... Taiwan, South korea, singapore and Hong Kong are known as the Tiger economies due to their rapid growth after WWII, it was their policies and most importantly their investment in education which allowed for such rapid growth...

With the right government and right policies many countries would be able to achieve similar rapid growth as the tiger economies in asia...

Sorry Ardian, word limit reached...

icj1

pre 8 godina

if there ever was to be a slavic empire, Romania will enjoy the spoil of the riches which will come
(Nikola Novakovic, 6 December 2015 02:13)

Lol how? Details mate, details...
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the poor give more to the rich then the rich give to the poor... the rich give you 300 million dollar loan, you give them back 600 million through interest... massive transfer of wealth from poor to rich..
(Nikola Novakovic, 6 December 2015 02:13)

What a BS!!! Money has time value, mate. 1 EUR today is worth more than 1 EUR next year. So, the "rich" give 300 million TODAY and the "poor" give back 600 million, but NOT TODAY, rather over many years in the future. The TODAY's value of those 600 million future payments is EXACTLY 300 million, so the transfer of wealth is 0!

Do you have any more ignorant comments to make, mate?

icj1

pre 8 godina

Imagine if Yugoslavia was around today, it may have been capitalist and it could have been in the EU and performing strong... If the slavs were still United in the Balkans
(Nikola Novakovic, 5 December 2015 11:22)

Sure, if this and if that and if many ifs... Yugoslavia is dead because it was an artificial union of people who hated each other and did not want to live together... crying about it, it's not going to bring it back to life.

Live the present and work for a better future mate!