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Serbia's Red Star to snub Turkey "out of respect for Russia"

Red Star (Crvena Zvezda) FC from Belgrade is considering dropping Turkey as the destination for the club's winter preparations, it has been confirmed.

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Pope F

pre 8 godina

Lets get something straight, in srebrenica, women and children were harmed, maybe. Ot in a single mass killing as the male civilians, of all ages but the women and little girls were not taken to five star hotels, they were raped some of these girls did not even hit puberty before serb terrorists raped them, serbs today continue to deny this, sometimes claiming the civilians were soldiers, and at the same time claiming their fallen soldiers as civilians. It needs to stop

sj

pre 8 godina

1. (icj1, 27 November 2015 06:06)

The problem with the AI, like most Albanians and their US allies, is their very poor literacy levels. The fact that the US killed hundreds of thousands in Iraq, well that was democratic killing where else it would be unlawful. The judges sitting on the International court are the scraping of the bottom of political barrels.
This same august institution is investigating Syria’s Assad for war crimes, but funny enough the bombing of that hospital in Afghanistan where doctors and patients were killed, they ignore. Doctors without Borders are demanding an international inquiry, but not a word from that august institution nor from the usual human rights wankers.
Once again the AI has not come to grips, except for that private part it never lets go, about the proposed resolution that the Pommy wankers put forward. The resolution was the world recognition of the mythology of Srebrenica.
It failed.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

@DEDA CVETKO

Instead of complaining about me, maybe focus on good content. The key is to not blabber nonsense, although to be fair I have never seen a comment from you so who am I to judge, right?!

Anyway, I dont feel favoured by B92 since I see the same racist rants from certain users on almost every post, so dont get to excited about that.

I hope to read from you as long as you have anything valuable to add. If not, may your comments be blocked forever ;-)

PS. Names are not important. This is not a dating site, so dont worry about that either.

DEDA CVETKO

pre 8 godina

Dear B92:

How is it possible that the same Albanian individual (Gjon Marku, if this is his real name, which I doubt) gets to have something like 20 comments ON THE SAME THREAD, while I get 90% of all my comments blocked -- even though none of them violate your "community standards"?

I don't get as many comments published in a month, let alone on the same article. Is there an internal B92 policy that favors Albanians?

RighteousBilly

pre 8 godina

Gjon Marku, These are all facts that I've mentioned in my previous comment. In Srebrenica no women and children were harmed. If there was a plan to destroy completly or partially one ethnic group women and children wouldn't be left to go, but they would be the first victims. Now, I dont justify crime with another crime. Unfortunately, majority of Albanians do so.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

@RighteousBilly

First of all no we dont have to go way back in history... we have to accept that history, specially in the balkans is dominated by false propaganda... so I`m not getting with you into a fight over history you dont know for sure and I dont know for sure either.

Second: Your allegatios about ethnic cleansing commited by albanians are wrong. Here is the definition of ethnic cleansing. Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic or religious groups from a given territory by a more powerful ethnic group. Google is your friend. Fleeing in masses and being forced out in masses are not the same thing.

Last but not least. Your argument we did but they did too. Well I have some news for you. Everyone who has commited a crime should be held responsible. Do you really think I support any bullshit that happend! You are defending your actions by the action of others or the actions in the past. Are you nuts? what kind of argumentation is that!!

icj1 thanx for the corrections.

RighteousBilly

pre 8 godina

Gjon Marku, you Albanians are the last to preach anyone about genocide since you are very familiar with that. Are you aware of genocide and ethnic cleansing on Serbs by Albanians in 1999 and terror on remaining Serbs to this very day? How about numerous war crimes of terrorist "kla" in 1990s on Serbs and others including normal Albanians? Lets go deeper in history, ww2 and genocide on 10000 Serbs, 100 000 ethnically cleansed. Terror on Serbs by Albanian ruling class in communist Yugoslavia led by dictator Tito. What happened with 100 000 Serbs in Albania during rule of Enver Hoza? Even before him Serbs were prosecuted by Albanian state from 1912. Albanian terror on Serbs from 1878-1912. Albanian ethnic cleansing and rule on Serbs in Ottoman empire. Read, learn, share.

icj1

pre 8 godina

You do realise that the UN already convicted Serbia for Genocide and only the Russian Veto is blocking this descision.
(Gjon Marku, 26 November 2015 13:54)

Two corrections:

1. The UN has determined beyond reasonable doubt that some members of the VRS committed genocide in Srebrenica in July 1995. But it's not Serbia that is guilty of genocide - most Serbs are not criminals. I understand your error though since, for some weird reason, there are some Serb officials who want to associate Serbia to a crime committed by some members of the VRS.

2. There is no Russian veto blocking a decision that what happened in Srebrenica was genocide. The UN has already made that determination. What the Russian veto blocked was a commemoration of that genocidal event in July 2015. Fortunately, Russia (or anybody else for that matter) has no veto over facts!

icj1

pre 8 godina

Killing 100,000's people is Genocide,not killing 4,000, it's called war crimes.
(sasa.p, 26 November 2015 14:50)

Oh dear, the ignorance in the statement above is really astonishing, but I understand that it comes from a bizarre desire to downgrade what some members of the VRS did in Srebrenica from genocide to war crime.

It is not the number of people killed, but the INTENT associated with the killing that determines whether an act was genocide or not. It's really amazing how people like you can be so easily brainwashed in the 21st century, when it takes only a few seconds for somebody to check the definition of the crime of genocide to see that the killing has to be made with the INTENT to destroy in whole or in part an ethic group (among other types of groups).

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

@sasa.p

You dont seem to know what Genocide is. Well I can tell you one thing, you dont mesure it in numbers. Here is the explanation from Wikipedia: "Genocide is the intent to systematically eliminate a racial, ethnic, religious, cultural or national group"

Killing 7000 only in Srebrenica and 300 only in Meja (200k in Total over 3 decades) instead of 1 000 000 shows only that the genocide wasnt as sucessfull as intended, not that it didnt happen.

BTW listing other genocides like America, Germany, Turkey, Croatia etc. doesnt make your genocide less wrong. It just proves that despite the horrible history you went to the same point. Your argumentation is very childish and immature. Very sad.

sasa.p

pre 8 godina

To Gjon Marku,
I didn't deny Serb's killing 4,000 soldiers in Srebinica. Muslim's killed cilivans in 1992 first.All sides Albanian's, Bosnian Muslim's, Serb's,Croatian"s etc have blood on their hand's.
Killing 100,000's people is Genocide,not killing 4,000, it's called war crimes.
Every Race in history has killed more people thru time.Americans even dropped atomic bombs, English, Spanish,Portugal, French,Russian,Ottoman( Turkish) etc,etc.
UN council is not just British, USA it's Russian,China,Cuba,Venezuela, Vietnam, Laos,Zimbabwe etc.
So please, Serbia will not abandon Russia ,with a threat of Genocide and no EU for them.
Vucic is a good whore,he has even business in every pocket of the world .Cuba,Iran,Azerbaijan, Brazil,China,Vietnam, Arab countries,etc etc.
Investor's would even dream of doing business with Genocide country at this moment.
Oh even USA ,EU countries are opening business in Serbia!
Albania, Bosnia, Kosovo are like Serbia in the 90's( Milosevic),NO law and criminals running the country.
Serbia has changed ,and I have seen and living thru it!

sasa.p

pre 8 godina

To Gjon Marku,
Stop comparing Turkey who killed over 1 million people ,compared to 4,000 soldiers that where killed in Srebinica.
Croatian's killed over 500,000 people during the 2nd War in their labour camp's and it was not mention in UN!
Stop comparing 1000"s to million's,Albo's and Croatnut's killed more people ,and even KLA killed more of their own people since the 90's war finish or sold/ pimped.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

@sasa.p

What you dont understand is that you are the only one who thinks that serbia dident commit genocide. You do realise that the UN already convicted Serbia for Genocide and only the Russian Veto is blocking this descision. This is not something I made up, like your facts.

I dont know about about Croatia and the crimes during WWII. Well, I heard read about it, but I just didnt follow up on this topic because its non of my concernes.

The difference between you and I is, that we are ready to face justice but you just keep lying and lying to your self, to each other. Again, the only thing saving you for years is ONE very very important Vote in the security council and frankly this doesent make you less guilty.

Deep inside you, you already know that. Dontcha?! ;-)

think again

pre 8 godina

(sasa.p, 26 November 2015 11:27)
You totally missed the point, it is not only because of a little period, it is because Serbia has not moved on nor shows any regret. There is little doubts in anyone's mind that given the chance Serbia would replay the events of the 90's eventhough Milosevic is dead. Serbs want to place all the blame on him as if it exonerates them. There is no difference in Serbia from the Milosevic era except you have weak leaders and EU has a collar around Serbia's neck to keep it from running wild.

sasa.p

pre 8 godina

A lot of people on B92 talk about how bad Serb's WHERE.I agree ,but Albanian's can't get along with Greece and Macedonian's ,and Italy over the Adriatic. The Albanian's are not angel's, go live in Albania or Kosovo for 2 year's and then write about how great life is and stop bagging/criticism Serbia on a Serbians net site,about a little period in history(Milosevic).
As for Croatian ,having problems with Slovenia and Hungary, who can't stand them.
Try living in Croatia as a Albanian, Macedonia, Hungarian, Slovenian or even Bosnian .You too will have problems, and be looked down!
So Albanian's, and Croatian's stop talking Sh*t about Serbia and have a look at your backyard/ home,where you live comfortable in the Western countries!

think about it

pre 8 godina

It's a shame that Red Star even plannned to go to Turkey. How can the club be such a traitor toward Marko Ivkovic and his family?
(Italian Serbophile, 26 November 2015 07:46
I guess using your reasoning, every soccer league in Europe, especially France should boycott Serbia!

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Zoran..Sydney Australia

Thats funny of you to bring up Armenia. On the other hand it is just normal that you think of genocide, since... well.. mmmh... how do I put this, well lets say serbia is very familiar with genocide.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

See kids, this is the problem.

In Serbia EVERYTHING seems to be Politics. I mean seriously, why in gods name has a football club to get involved in this anyway?

This is yet another case of emotional driven debate in Serbia. Im surprised the orth. church hasnt already take part in this. I`m already waiting for the warmongering from them.

Dear Serbia. You have problems with denial, blind obedience, victimization, and the separation of powers. Get your shit toghether. The rest of us would like to live in peace.

Kind regards, the balkans.

Guest

pre 8 godina

Are we seriously supposed to believe that some of you are Russians in here, pretending to have a relationship which does not exist.
We all saw it in 1999 how much Russia cares for Serbia.
as far as Red Star goes, Turks are laughing at Serbs and Russians at this point. I seriously expected much more fierce response from Russia, I guess Russians have figured out they are not messing with Ukraine or Georgia here.

Italian Serbophile

pre 8 godina

It's a shame that Red Star even plannned to go to Turkey. How can the club be such a traitor toward Marko Ivkovic and his family?
Moreover, Turkey is an enemy of civilization and must be boycotted and made totally unoffensive.

Are you kidding!

pre 8 godina

Remember a Turk stabbed to death a Serbian basketball fan about 2 years ago. Turks can't be trusted. Cyprus is friendlier towards Serbs anyway.
(ida, 25 November 2015 20:40)
Compare the sentence he received and the sentence the Serbians received who killed the French soccer fan a few years ago, Also what about the who beat up and killed an American while there as a student and had his passport taken in return for his release to stand trial and the Serbian embassy gave him a new passport and flew him out of the country. Serb authorities swore he would stand trial in Serbia and what happened he was a special guest at parliament.
Serbs have NO rights pointing fingers at criminality, it runs to the very top of your government.

Zoran..Sydney Australia

pre 8 godina

What has Turkey done good in Europe anyway for the last 10yrs..,Kebabs??? Shall we talk about 1million Armenians being slaughtered??

ida

pre 8 godina

Remember a Turk stabbed to death a Serbian basketball fan about 2 years ago. Turks can't be trusted. Cyprus is friendlier towards Serbs anyway.

Be nice

pre 8 godina

Red star wants to drop turkey, like Russia dropped Serbia, during the NATO bombing. Hahaha
(Tony Pocesta, 25 November 2015 16:47)
Now was that nice? Say your sorry. Serbia is dropping Turkey out of ignorance and some kind of blind idolatry.
Russia dropped Serbia due to the fact they had no money and was unable to do so.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 8 godina

Yes, Respect and Love for our Dear Mother Russia! Russia the only one seriously trying to clean up the satanic terrorist that the USA, England and Germany created! Just look at this situation, Turkey a Nazi Alliance Terrorist Organization member and very close partner with USA, England and Germany destroys a Russian mission that is exterminating terrorist in Syria! Does not take too much brain power and you don't need a doctorate in politcal science to figure what is going on! Russia is trying to restore peace for potentually millions of humanity in the Middle East and Europe and then who is the master mind or the root problem to murdering the Russian passenger jet killing all souls aboard and yesterday destroying Russian military air craft? So just look already how much blood and tears Russia has spilled on this attempt to rid humanity of evil! Turkey argues the Russian fighter was not recognized,what they refuse to accept is that the plane was a direct treat to Satan because exterminating the terrorist is not what is on the USA, England and Germany agenda! So we Serbs must pray for Russia! Again I remind all Serbian people out there any where in the world, with out Russia we Serbians are only dust! In the worse case Heaven forbid that Serbia does turn to dust, remember that Russia will always live for ever into eternity and they will for ever carry within the most profound depths of their hearts our memory and the love of our Lord in the heavens Crucified and so Holy!!!

glasshouse

pre 8 godina

Maybe turks should as a retaliation kick all serbs out of turkish sport leagues, half of Serbian national basketball team plays at TBL.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 8 godina

Yes, Respect and Love for our Dear Mother Russia! Russia the only one seriously trying to clean up the satanic terrorist that the USA, England and Germany created! Just look at this situation, Turkey a Nazi Alliance Terrorist Organization member and very close partner with USA, England and Germany destroys a Russian mission that is exterminating terrorist in Syria! Does not take too much brain power and you don't need a doctorate in politcal science to figure what is going on! Russia is trying to restore peace for potentually millions of humanity in the Middle East and Europe and then who is the master mind or the root problem to murdering the Russian passenger jet killing all souls aboard and yesterday destroying Russian military air craft? So just look already how much blood and tears Russia has spilled on this attempt to rid humanity of evil! Turkey argues the Russian fighter was not recognized,what they refuse to accept is that the plane was a direct treat to Satan because exterminating the terrorist is not what is on the USA, England and Germany agenda! So we Serbs must pray for Russia! Again I remind all Serbian people out there any where in the world, with out Russia we Serbians are only dust! In the worse case Heaven forbid that Serbia does turn to dust, remember that Russia will always live for ever into eternity and they will for ever carry within the most profound depths of their hearts our memory and the love of our Lord in the heavens Crucified and so Holy!!!

Zoran..Sydney Australia

pre 8 godina

What has Turkey done good in Europe anyway for the last 10yrs..,Kebabs??? Shall we talk about 1million Armenians being slaughtered??

ida

pre 8 godina

Remember a Turk stabbed to death a Serbian basketball fan about 2 years ago. Turks can't be trusted. Cyprus is friendlier towards Serbs anyway.

sasa.p

pre 8 godina

To Gjon Marku,
Stop comparing Turkey who killed over 1 million people ,compared to 4,000 soldiers that where killed in Srebinica.
Croatian's killed over 500,000 people during the 2nd War in their labour camp's and it was not mention in UN!
Stop comparing 1000"s to million's,Albo's and Croatnut's killed more people ,and even KLA killed more of their own people since the 90's war finish or sold/ pimped.

glasshouse

pre 8 godina

Maybe turks should as a retaliation kick all serbs out of turkish sport leagues, half of Serbian national basketball team plays at TBL.

Be nice

pre 8 godina

Red star wants to drop turkey, like Russia dropped Serbia, during the NATO bombing. Hahaha
(Tony Pocesta, 25 November 2015 16:47)
Now was that nice? Say your sorry. Serbia is dropping Turkey out of ignorance and some kind of blind idolatry.
Russia dropped Serbia due to the fact they had no money and was unable to do so.

sasa.p

pre 8 godina

A lot of people on B92 talk about how bad Serb's WHERE.I agree ,but Albanian's can't get along with Greece and Macedonian's ,and Italy over the Adriatic. The Albanian's are not angel's, go live in Albania or Kosovo for 2 year's and then write about how great life is and stop bagging/criticism Serbia on a Serbians net site,about a little period in history(Milosevic).
As for Croatian ,having problems with Slovenia and Hungary, who can't stand them.
Try living in Croatia as a Albanian, Macedonia, Hungarian, Slovenian or even Bosnian .You too will have problems, and be looked down!
So Albanian's, and Croatian's stop talking Sh*t about Serbia and have a look at your backyard/ home,where you live comfortable in the Western countries!

Italian Serbophile

pre 8 godina

It's a shame that Red Star even plannned to go to Turkey. How can the club be such a traitor toward Marko Ivkovic and his family?
Moreover, Turkey is an enemy of civilization and must be boycotted and made totally unoffensive.

RighteousBilly

pre 8 godina

Gjon Marku, you Albanians are the last to preach anyone about genocide since you are very familiar with that. Are you aware of genocide and ethnic cleansing on Serbs by Albanians in 1999 and terror on remaining Serbs to this very day? How about numerous war crimes of terrorist "kla" in 1990s on Serbs and others including normal Albanians? Lets go deeper in history, ww2 and genocide on 10000 Serbs, 100 000 ethnically cleansed. Terror on Serbs by Albanian ruling class in communist Yugoslavia led by dictator Tito. What happened with 100 000 Serbs in Albania during rule of Enver Hoza? Even before him Serbs were prosecuted by Albanian state from 1912. Albanian terror on Serbs from 1878-1912. Albanian ethnic cleansing and rule on Serbs in Ottoman empire. Read, learn, share.

RighteousBilly

pre 8 godina

Gjon Marku, These are all facts that I've mentioned in my previous comment. In Srebrenica no women and children were harmed. If there was a plan to destroy completly or partially one ethnic group women and children wouldn't be left to go, but they would be the first victims. Now, I dont justify crime with another crime. Unfortunately, majority of Albanians do so.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

@sasa.p

You dont seem to know what Genocide is. Well I can tell you one thing, you dont mesure it in numbers. Here is the explanation from Wikipedia: "Genocide is the intent to systematically eliminate a racial, ethnic, religious, cultural or national group"

Killing 7000 only in Srebrenica and 300 only in Meja (200k in Total over 3 decades) instead of 1 000 000 shows only that the genocide wasnt as sucessfull as intended, not that it didnt happen.

BTW listing other genocides like America, Germany, Turkey, Croatia etc. doesnt make your genocide less wrong. It just proves that despite the horrible history you went to the same point. Your argumentation is very childish and immature. Very sad.

Are you kidding!

pre 8 godina

Remember a Turk stabbed to death a Serbian basketball fan about 2 years ago. Turks can't be trusted. Cyprus is friendlier towards Serbs anyway.
(ida, 25 November 2015 20:40)
Compare the sentence he received and the sentence the Serbians received who killed the French soccer fan a few years ago, Also what about the who beat up and killed an American while there as a student and had his passport taken in return for his release to stand trial and the Serbian embassy gave him a new passport and flew him out of the country. Serb authorities swore he would stand trial in Serbia and what happened he was a special guest at parliament.
Serbs have NO rights pointing fingers at criminality, it runs to the very top of your government.

sasa.p

pre 8 godina

To Gjon Marku,
I didn't deny Serb's killing 4,000 soldiers in Srebinica. Muslim's killed cilivans in 1992 first.All sides Albanian's, Bosnian Muslim's, Serb's,Croatian"s etc have blood on their hand's.
Killing 100,000's people is Genocide,not killing 4,000, it's called war crimes.
Every Race in history has killed more people thru time.Americans even dropped atomic bombs, English, Spanish,Portugal, French,Russian,Ottoman( Turkish) etc,etc.
UN council is not just British, USA it's Russian,China,Cuba,Venezuela, Vietnam, Laos,Zimbabwe etc.
So please, Serbia will not abandon Russia ,with a threat of Genocide and no EU for them.
Vucic is a good whore,he has even business in every pocket of the world .Cuba,Iran,Azerbaijan, Brazil,China,Vietnam, Arab countries,etc etc.
Investor's would even dream of doing business with Genocide country at this moment.
Oh even USA ,EU countries are opening business in Serbia!
Albania, Bosnia, Kosovo are like Serbia in the 90's( Milosevic),NO law and criminals running the country.
Serbia has changed ,and I have seen and living thru it!

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

See kids, this is the problem.

In Serbia EVERYTHING seems to be Politics. I mean seriously, why in gods name has a football club to get involved in this anyway?

This is yet another case of emotional driven debate in Serbia. Im surprised the orth. church hasnt already take part in this. I`m already waiting for the warmongering from them.

Dear Serbia. You have problems with denial, blind obedience, victimization, and the separation of powers. Get your shit toghether. The rest of us would like to live in peace.

Kind regards, the balkans.

Guest

pre 8 godina

Are we seriously supposed to believe that some of you are Russians in here, pretending to have a relationship which does not exist.
We all saw it in 1999 how much Russia cares for Serbia.
as far as Red Star goes, Turks are laughing at Serbs and Russians at this point. I seriously expected much more fierce response from Russia, I guess Russians have figured out they are not messing with Ukraine or Georgia here.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Zoran..Sydney Australia

Thats funny of you to bring up Armenia. On the other hand it is just normal that you think of genocide, since... well.. mmmh... how do I put this, well lets say serbia is very familiar with genocide.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

@RighteousBilly

First of all no we dont have to go way back in history... we have to accept that history, specially in the balkans is dominated by false propaganda... so I`m not getting with you into a fight over history you dont know for sure and I dont know for sure either.

Second: Your allegatios about ethnic cleansing commited by albanians are wrong. Here is the definition of ethnic cleansing. Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic or religious groups from a given territory by a more powerful ethnic group. Google is your friend. Fleeing in masses and being forced out in masses are not the same thing.

Last but not least. Your argument we did but they did too. Well I have some news for you. Everyone who has commited a crime should be held responsible. Do you really think I support any bullshit that happend! You are defending your actions by the action of others or the actions in the past. Are you nuts? what kind of argumentation is that!!

icj1 thanx for the corrections.

think about it

pre 8 godina

It's a shame that Red Star even plannned to go to Turkey. How can the club be such a traitor toward Marko Ivkovic and his family?
(Italian Serbophile, 26 November 2015 07:46
I guess using your reasoning, every soccer league in Europe, especially France should boycott Serbia!

think again

pre 8 godina

(sasa.p, 26 November 2015 11:27)
You totally missed the point, it is not only because of a little period, it is because Serbia has not moved on nor shows any regret. There is little doubts in anyone's mind that given the chance Serbia would replay the events of the 90's eventhough Milosevic is dead. Serbs want to place all the blame on him as if it exonerates them. There is no difference in Serbia from the Milosevic era except you have weak leaders and EU has a collar around Serbia's neck to keep it from running wild.

icj1

pre 8 godina

You do realise that the UN already convicted Serbia for Genocide and only the Russian Veto is blocking this descision.
(Gjon Marku, 26 November 2015 13:54)

Two corrections:

1. The UN has determined beyond reasonable doubt that some members of the VRS committed genocide in Srebrenica in July 1995. But it's not Serbia that is guilty of genocide - most Serbs are not criminals. I understand your error though since, for some weird reason, there are some Serb officials who want to associate Serbia to a crime committed by some members of the VRS.

2. There is no Russian veto blocking a decision that what happened in Srebrenica was genocide. The UN has already made that determination. What the Russian veto blocked was a commemoration of that genocidal event in July 2015. Fortunately, Russia (or anybody else for that matter) has no veto over facts!

sj

pre 8 godina

1. (icj1, 27 November 2015 06:06)

The problem with the AI, like most Albanians and their US allies, is their very poor literacy levels. The fact that the US killed hundreds of thousands in Iraq, well that was democratic killing where else it would be unlawful. The judges sitting on the International court are the scraping of the bottom of political barrels.
This same august institution is investigating Syria’s Assad for war crimes, but funny enough the bombing of that hospital in Afghanistan where doctors and patients were killed, they ignore. Doctors without Borders are demanding an international inquiry, but not a word from that august institution nor from the usual human rights wankers.
Once again the AI has not come to grips, except for that private part it never lets go, about the proposed resolution that the Pommy wankers put forward. The resolution was the world recognition of the mythology of Srebrenica.
It failed.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

@sasa.p

What you dont understand is that you are the only one who thinks that serbia dident commit genocide. You do realise that the UN already convicted Serbia for Genocide and only the Russian Veto is blocking this descision. This is not something I made up, like your facts.

I dont know about about Croatia and the crimes during WWII. Well, I heard read about it, but I just didnt follow up on this topic because its non of my concernes.

The difference between you and I is, that we are ready to face justice but you just keep lying and lying to your self, to each other. Again, the only thing saving you for years is ONE very very important Vote in the security council and frankly this doesent make you less guilty.

Deep inside you, you already know that. Dontcha?! ;-)

icj1

pre 8 godina

Killing 100,000's people is Genocide,not killing 4,000, it's called war crimes.
(sasa.p, 26 November 2015 14:50)

Oh dear, the ignorance in the statement above is really astonishing, but I understand that it comes from a bizarre desire to downgrade what some members of the VRS did in Srebrenica from genocide to war crime.

It is not the number of people killed, but the INTENT associated with the killing that determines whether an act was genocide or not. It's really amazing how people like you can be so easily brainwashed in the 21st century, when it takes only a few seconds for somebody to check the definition of the crime of genocide to see that the killing has to be made with the INTENT to destroy in whole or in part an ethic group (among other types of groups).

DEDA CVETKO

pre 8 godina

Dear B92:

How is it possible that the same Albanian individual (Gjon Marku, if this is his real name, which I doubt) gets to have something like 20 comments ON THE SAME THREAD, while I get 90% of all my comments blocked -- even though none of them violate your "community standards"?

I don't get as many comments published in a month, let alone on the same article. Is there an internal B92 policy that favors Albanians?

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

@DEDA CVETKO

Instead of complaining about me, maybe focus on good content. The key is to not blabber nonsense, although to be fair I have never seen a comment from you so who am I to judge, right?!

Anyway, I dont feel favoured by B92 since I see the same racist rants from certain users on almost every post, so dont get to excited about that.

I hope to read from you as long as you have anything valuable to add. If not, may your comments be blocked forever ;-)

PS. Names are not important. This is not a dating site, so dont worry about that either.

Pope F

pre 8 godina

Lets get something straight, in srebrenica, women and children were harmed, maybe. Ot in a single mass killing as the male civilians, of all ages but the women and little girls were not taken to five star hotels, they were raped some of these girls did not even hit puberty before serb terrorists raped them, serbs today continue to deny this, sometimes claiming the civilians were soldiers, and at the same time claiming their fallen soldiers as civilians. It needs to stop

glasshouse

pre 8 godina

Maybe turks should as a retaliation kick all serbs out of turkish sport leagues, half of Serbian national basketball team plays at TBL.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

See kids, this is the problem.

In Serbia EVERYTHING seems to be Politics. I mean seriously, why in gods name has a football club to get involved in this anyway?

This is yet another case of emotional driven debate in Serbia. Im surprised the orth. church hasnt already take part in this. I`m already waiting for the warmongering from them.

Dear Serbia. You have problems with denial, blind obedience, victimization, and the separation of powers. Get your shit toghether. The rest of us would like to live in peace.

Kind regards, the balkans.

Be nice

pre 8 godina

Red star wants to drop turkey, like Russia dropped Serbia, during the NATO bombing. Hahaha
(Tony Pocesta, 25 November 2015 16:47)
Now was that nice? Say your sorry. Serbia is dropping Turkey out of ignorance and some kind of blind idolatry.
Russia dropped Serbia due to the fact they had no money and was unable to do so.

Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Zoran..Sydney Australia

Thats funny of you to bring up Armenia. On the other hand it is just normal that you think of genocide, since... well.. mmmh... how do I put this, well lets say serbia is very familiar with genocide.

think again

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(sasa.p, 26 November 2015 11:27)
You totally missed the point, it is not only because of a little period, it is because Serbia has not moved on nor shows any regret. There is little doubts in anyone's mind that given the chance Serbia would replay the events of the 90's eventhough Milosevic is dead. Serbs want to place all the blame on him as if it exonerates them. There is no difference in Serbia from the Milosevic era except you have weak leaders and EU has a collar around Serbia's neck to keep it from running wild.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

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Yes, Respect and Love for our Dear Mother Russia! Russia the only one seriously trying to clean up the satanic terrorist that the USA, England and Germany created! Just look at this situation, Turkey a Nazi Alliance Terrorist Organization member and very close partner with USA, England and Germany destroys a Russian mission that is exterminating terrorist in Syria! Does not take too much brain power and you don't need a doctorate in politcal science to figure what is going on! Russia is trying to restore peace for potentually millions of humanity in the Middle East and Europe and then who is the master mind or the root problem to murdering the Russian passenger jet killing all souls aboard and yesterday destroying Russian military air craft? So just look already how much blood and tears Russia has spilled on this attempt to rid humanity of evil! Turkey argues the Russian fighter was not recognized,what they refuse to accept is that the plane was a direct treat to Satan because exterminating the terrorist is not what is on the USA, England and Germany agenda! So we Serbs must pray for Russia! Again I remind all Serbian people out there any where in the world, with out Russia we Serbians are only dust! In the worse case Heaven forbid that Serbia does turn to dust, remember that Russia will always live for ever into eternity and they will for ever carry within the most profound depths of their hearts our memory and the love of our Lord in the heavens Crucified and so Holy!!!

Are you kidding!

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Remember a Turk stabbed to death a Serbian basketball fan about 2 years ago. Turks can't be trusted. Cyprus is friendlier towards Serbs anyway.
(ida, 25 November 2015 20:40)
Compare the sentence he received and the sentence the Serbians received who killed the French soccer fan a few years ago, Also what about the who beat up and killed an American while there as a student and had his passport taken in return for his release to stand trial and the Serbian embassy gave him a new passport and flew him out of the country. Serb authorities swore he would stand trial in Serbia and what happened he was a special guest at parliament.
Serbs have NO rights pointing fingers at criminality, it runs to the very top of your government.

ida

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Remember a Turk stabbed to death a Serbian basketball fan about 2 years ago. Turks can't be trusted. Cyprus is friendlier towards Serbs anyway.

Guest

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Are we seriously supposed to believe that some of you are Russians in here, pretending to have a relationship which does not exist.
We all saw it in 1999 how much Russia cares for Serbia.
as far as Red Star goes, Turks are laughing at Serbs and Russians at this point. I seriously expected much more fierce response from Russia, I guess Russians have figured out they are not messing with Ukraine or Georgia here.

think about it

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It's a shame that Red Star even plannned to go to Turkey. How can the club be such a traitor toward Marko Ivkovic and his family?
(Italian Serbophile, 26 November 2015 07:46
I guess using your reasoning, every soccer league in Europe, especially France should boycott Serbia!

Gjon Marku

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@sasa.p

What you dont understand is that you are the only one who thinks that serbia dident commit genocide. You do realise that the UN already convicted Serbia for Genocide and only the Russian Veto is blocking this descision. This is not something I made up, like your facts.

I dont know about about Croatia and the crimes during WWII. Well, I heard read about it, but I just didnt follow up on this topic because its non of my concernes.

The difference between you and I is, that we are ready to face justice but you just keep lying and lying to your self, to each other. Again, the only thing saving you for years is ONE very very important Vote in the security council and frankly this doesent make you less guilty.

Deep inside you, you already know that. Dontcha?! ;-)

Zoran..Sydney Australia

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What has Turkey done good in Europe anyway for the last 10yrs..,Kebabs??? Shall we talk about 1million Armenians being slaughtered??

Pope F

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Lets get something straight, in srebrenica, women and children were harmed, maybe. Ot in a single mass killing as the male civilians, of all ages but the women and little girls were not taken to five star hotels, they were raped some of these girls did not even hit puberty before serb terrorists raped them, serbs today continue to deny this, sometimes claiming the civilians were soldiers, and at the same time claiming their fallen soldiers as civilians. It needs to stop

sasa.p

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To Gjon Marku,
I didn't deny Serb's killing 4,000 soldiers in Srebinica. Muslim's killed cilivans in 1992 first.All sides Albanian's, Bosnian Muslim's, Serb's,Croatian"s etc have blood on their hand's.
Killing 100,000's people is Genocide,not killing 4,000, it's called war crimes.
Every Race in history has killed more people thru time.Americans even dropped atomic bombs, English, Spanish,Portugal, French,Russian,Ottoman( Turkish) etc,etc.
UN council is not just British, USA it's Russian,China,Cuba,Venezuela, Vietnam, Laos,Zimbabwe etc.
So please, Serbia will not abandon Russia ,with a threat of Genocide and no EU for them.
Vucic is a good whore,he has even business in every pocket of the world .Cuba,Iran,Azerbaijan, Brazil,China,Vietnam, Arab countries,etc etc.
Investor's would even dream of doing business with Genocide country at this moment.
Oh even USA ,EU countries are opening business in Serbia!
Albania, Bosnia, Kosovo are like Serbia in the 90's( Milosevic),NO law and criminals running the country.
Serbia has changed ,and I have seen and living thru it!

Gjon Marku

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@sasa.p

You dont seem to know what Genocide is. Well I can tell you one thing, you dont mesure it in numbers. Here is the explanation from Wikipedia: "Genocide is the intent to systematically eliminate a racial, ethnic, religious, cultural or national group"

Killing 7000 only in Srebrenica and 300 only in Meja (200k in Total over 3 decades) instead of 1 000 000 shows only that the genocide wasnt as sucessfull as intended, not that it didnt happen.

BTW listing other genocides like America, Germany, Turkey, Croatia etc. doesnt make your genocide less wrong. It just proves that despite the horrible history you went to the same point. Your argumentation is very childish and immature. Very sad.

Italian Serbophile

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It's a shame that Red Star even plannned to go to Turkey. How can the club be such a traitor toward Marko Ivkovic and his family?
Moreover, Turkey is an enemy of civilization and must be boycotted and made totally unoffensive.

RighteousBilly

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Gjon Marku, you Albanians are the last to preach anyone about genocide since you are very familiar with that. Are you aware of genocide and ethnic cleansing on Serbs by Albanians in 1999 and terror on remaining Serbs to this very day? How about numerous war crimes of terrorist "kla" in 1990s on Serbs and others including normal Albanians? Lets go deeper in history, ww2 and genocide on 10000 Serbs, 100 000 ethnically cleansed. Terror on Serbs by Albanian ruling class in communist Yugoslavia led by dictator Tito. What happened with 100 000 Serbs in Albania during rule of Enver Hoza? Even before him Serbs were prosecuted by Albanian state from 1912. Albanian terror on Serbs from 1878-1912. Albanian ethnic cleansing and rule on Serbs in Ottoman empire. Read, learn, share.

sasa.p

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A lot of people on B92 talk about how bad Serb's WHERE.I agree ,but Albanian's can't get along with Greece and Macedonian's ,and Italy over the Adriatic. The Albanian's are not angel's, go live in Albania or Kosovo for 2 year's and then write about how great life is and stop bagging/criticism Serbia on a Serbians net site,about a little period in history(Milosevic).
As for Croatian ,having problems with Slovenia and Hungary, who can't stand them.
Try living in Croatia as a Albanian, Macedonia, Hungarian, Slovenian or even Bosnian .You too will have problems, and be looked down!
So Albanian's, and Croatian's stop talking Sh*t about Serbia and have a look at your backyard/ home,where you live comfortable in the Western countries!

icj1

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Killing 100,000's people is Genocide,not killing 4,000, it's called war crimes.
(sasa.p, 26 November 2015 14:50)

Oh dear, the ignorance in the statement above is really astonishing, but I understand that it comes from a bizarre desire to downgrade what some members of the VRS did in Srebrenica from genocide to war crime.

It is not the number of people killed, but the INTENT associated with the killing that determines whether an act was genocide or not. It's really amazing how people like you can be so easily brainwashed in the 21st century, when it takes only a few seconds for somebody to check the definition of the crime of genocide to see that the killing has to be made with the INTENT to destroy in whole or in part an ethic group (among other types of groups).

sasa.p

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To Gjon Marku,
Stop comparing Turkey who killed over 1 million people ,compared to 4,000 soldiers that where killed in Srebinica.
Croatian's killed over 500,000 people during the 2nd War in their labour camp's and it was not mention in UN!
Stop comparing 1000"s to million's,Albo's and Croatnut's killed more people ,and even KLA killed more of their own people since the 90's war finish or sold/ pimped.

icj1

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You do realise that the UN already convicted Serbia for Genocide and only the Russian Veto is blocking this descision.
(Gjon Marku, 26 November 2015 13:54)

Two corrections:

1. The UN has determined beyond reasonable doubt that some members of the VRS committed genocide in Srebrenica in July 1995. But it's not Serbia that is guilty of genocide - most Serbs are not criminals. I understand your error though since, for some weird reason, there are some Serb officials who want to associate Serbia to a crime committed by some members of the VRS.

2. There is no Russian veto blocking a decision that what happened in Srebrenica was genocide. The UN has already made that determination. What the Russian veto blocked was a commemoration of that genocidal event in July 2015. Fortunately, Russia (or anybody else for that matter) has no veto over facts!

Gjon Marku

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@RighteousBilly

First of all no we dont have to go way back in history... we have to accept that history, specially in the balkans is dominated by false propaganda... so I`m not getting with you into a fight over history you dont know for sure and I dont know for sure either.

Second: Your allegatios about ethnic cleansing commited by albanians are wrong. Here is the definition of ethnic cleansing. Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic or religious groups from a given territory by a more powerful ethnic group. Google is your friend. Fleeing in masses and being forced out in masses are not the same thing.

Last but not least. Your argument we did but they did too. Well I have some news for you. Everyone who has commited a crime should be held responsible. Do you really think I support any bullshit that happend! You are defending your actions by the action of others or the actions in the past. Are you nuts? what kind of argumentation is that!!

icj1 thanx for the corrections.

DEDA CVETKO

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Dear B92:

How is it possible that the same Albanian individual (Gjon Marku, if this is his real name, which I doubt) gets to have something like 20 comments ON THE SAME THREAD, while I get 90% of all my comments blocked -- even though none of them violate your "community standards"?

I don't get as many comments published in a month, let alone on the same article. Is there an internal B92 policy that favors Albanians?

Gjon Marku

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@DEDA CVETKO

Instead of complaining about me, maybe focus on good content. The key is to not blabber nonsense, although to be fair I have never seen a comment from you so who am I to judge, right?!

Anyway, I dont feel favoured by B92 since I see the same racist rants from certain users on almost every post, so dont get to excited about that.

I hope to read from you as long as you have anything valuable to add. If not, may your comments be blocked forever ;-)

PS. Names are not important. This is not a dating site, so dont worry about that either.

sj

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1. (icj1, 27 November 2015 06:06)

The problem with the AI, like most Albanians and their US allies, is their very poor literacy levels. The fact that the US killed hundreds of thousands in Iraq, well that was democratic killing where else it would be unlawful. The judges sitting on the International court are the scraping of the bottom of political barrels.
This same august institution is investigating Syria’s Assad for war crimes, but funny enough the bombing of that hospital in Afghanistan where doctors and patients were killed, they ignore. Doctors without Borders are demanding an international inquiry, but not a word from that august institution nor from the usual human rights wankers.
Once again the AI has not come to grips, except for that private part it never lets go, about the proposed resolution that the Pommy wankers put forward. The resolution was the world recognition of the mythology of Srebrenica.
It failed.

RighteousBilly

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Gjon Marku, These are all facts that I've mentioned in my previous comment. In Srebrenica no women and children were harmed. If there was a plan to destroy completly or partially one ethnic group women and children wouldn't be left to go, but they would be the first victims. Now, I dont justify crime with another crime. Unfortunately, majority of Albanians do so.