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Russia told not to interfere in Montenegro's decision

The decision on Montenegro's membership in NATO will be made by Montenegro and by the members of the alliance, says NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg.

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icj1

pre 8 godina

NATO is a fascist organization as it does not even follow its own charter which is defensive.
(Jugolsavija, 23 November 2015 07:48)

We have a new definition in the English language:

Fascism: not following a charter

This is great seen a poster in the B92 forums contributing to the enrichment of the English language :)
(icj1, 24 November 2015 05:52)

Pure classic AI babble. The AI found a dictionary and does not know what to do with it so it tries to show some whit, but it’s totally witless LOL. What a halfwit.
The AI strikes again.

P.S. AI = Albanian Idiot
(sj, 24 November 2015 10:52)

I did not say that our dear friend Jugolsavija was babbling, but if the CE of B92 forums sj says so, I guess we have to accept it since the CE of B92 forums sj is always correct :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

sj

pre 8 godina

Don't blame him too much, he was educated with the prestigious Fake Pristina Degree, Master Degree in Shiptari Law. He wouldn't know what fascism was even if he was struck with a baseball bat by ISIS leader ABU BAKR, he would probably enjoy it.
(Jugolslavija, 24 November 2015 13:30)

I agree.

Jugolslavija

pre 8 godina

The AI found a dictionary and does not know what to do with it so it tries to show some whit, but it’s totally witless LOL. What a halfwit.
The AI strikes again.

P.S. AI = Albanian Idiot
(sj, 24 November 2015 10:52)
#
Don't blame him too much, he was educated with the prestigious Fake Pristina Degree, Master Degree in Shiptari Law. He wouldn't know what fascism was even if he was struck with a baseball bat by ISIS leader ABU BAKR, he would probably enjoy it.

sj

pre 8 godina

We have a new definition in the English language:

Fascism: not following a charter

This is great seen a poster in the B92 forums contributing to the enrichment of the English language :)
(icj1, 24 November 2015 05:52)

Pure classic AI babble. The AI found a dictionary and does not know what to do with it so it tries to show some whit, but it’s totally witless LOL. What a halfwit.
The AI strikes again.

P.S. AI = Albanian Idiot

sj

pre 8 godina

Again, I can find nothing in her statement or any interview questions to corroborate what you say.
Could you provide a link?
(Dwight, 23 November 2015 14:07)

I would be happy to post such a link but the Minister was on a Government radio station and perhaps due to her being a first time appointee she may have said too much. Several days after I attempted to find her statement in the press but there was no mention at all.
However, the US admiral issued a statement prior to the incident that USS Lassen was to sail within the 30 nautical miles and not in the 12 mile zone. The ship may have been right on the edge. A similar incident occurred with the Chinese navy near the Aleutian Islands a couple of months prior and the US papers wrote a near identical article to what you have posted. But as one of our former Prime Ministers, Paul Keating, said 20 years ago the US would have sent the 6 fleet but today it only a token ship.
Neither side would want an incident to occur that could blow out into a war.

icj1

pre 8 godina

By the way what happened to NATO stopping Russia in Ukraine? Or maybe in Syria? What happened there?
(sj, 22 November 2015 10:13)

Are you serious?! How can't you be aware that the CE of B92 forums sj has already ruled that NATO is all p... and wind?!

The CE of B92 forums sj has already answered your question - pay more attention to his/her teachings next time and don't ask stupid questions!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

icj1

pre 8 godina

NATO is a fascist organization as it does not even follow its own charter which is defensive.
(Jugolsavija, 23 November 2015 07:48)

We have a new definition in the English language:

Fascism: not following a charter

This is great seen a poster in the B92 forums contributing to the enrichment of the English language :)

icj1

pre 8 godina

Twenty years ago they would have sent in the 6 fleet, today it’s a single ship and even then it did not violate the 12 nautical mile rule.
(sj, 23 November 2015 10:59)

Oh, thanks God they did not violate it... The CE of B92 forums sj should perhaps help the Chinese and train them on how to measure distances in the sea because they thought the ship entered the waters of those islands and called in the US ambassador to protest - so all of that was much ado about nothing by China.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Haven't our Serb pals noticed the EU is now considering for membership only those countries in Nato.
(The Count of Kosova, 22 November 2015 20:58) # Comment link
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Stick to your trapeze act Clown of Kosovo, you are almost as smart as your pal AI, ICJ1, et al. I didn't know your friends Turkey was part of NATO.

Dwight

pre 8 godina

The Australian Defence Minister Senator Marise Payne spoke about it within days of incident. It came out when a question was put to her as to why Australia did not join the US in this venture. According to her the Lassen sailed close to the 12 mile limit but did not cross over
(sj, 23 November 2015 13:19)

Again, I can find nothing in her statement or any interview questions to corroborate what you say.
Could you provide a link?

sj

pre 8 godina

Could you please let me know your source for the Lassen not sailing within 12 miles of the islands?
All articles I can find state the opposite of what you say

[link]
(Dwight, 23 November 2015 11:44)

The Australian Defence Minister Senator Marise Payne spoke about it within days of incident. It came out when a question was put to her as to why Australia did not join the US in this venture. According to her the Lassen sailed close to the 12 mile limit but did not cross over. This is supported by the US Admiral for that region who prior to the incident stated that USS Lassen would not stray into the 12 mile zone. The Chinese are very sensitive over this issue and tend to make big noises despite nothing occurring.
However, navies always like to test the opposition much like when the Chinese held exercises with the Russian in the Bering Sea several months ago and came very close to one of the Aleutian Islands.

Dwight

pre 8 godina

today it’s a single ship and even then it did not violate the 12 nautical mile rule.
(sj, 23 November 2015 10:59)

Could you please let me know your source for the Lassen not sailing within 12 miles of the islands?
All articles I can find state the opposite of what you say

http://english.cri.cn/12394/2015/11/23/2702s905320.htm

rote

pre 8 godina

no negotiation with russia. the only thing they understand is force.
(anon, 22 November 2015 23:57)

Even if so where this force is when the US talks of only keeping up a technological parity in the future ? Din’t you understand what Russia has demonstrated ? The USA is in panic because Caliber missiles with 2500-4000 km reach has turned their 9 aircraft carriers into scraps that cannot approach Europe or Northern Africa or Japan of China within the range of their planes aboard. To say nothing that the Patriot missiles are withdrawn from Turkey because the Russians made them blind turning into scrap too. As well as the drones that are captured every week. Seems that you don’t understand the drastic technological changes that has happened in Russia’s favor lately. So negitiations is the only option left for the West and their lackey suckers.

sj

pre 8 godina

(pss, 22 November 2015 13:59)

Lad, living in the US is much like living under a glass dome. Nothing from the outside gets in.
The tsunami of propaganda has brainwashed the majority of its population to the point of making most Americans a laughing stock. I posted here about 2 years ago about an article in one of Rupert Murdock’s papers in Australia about the real situation in US.
It stated that once the American people find out the truth about what is going on, there will be revolution.
The frog does not feel the water starting to boil. Look at Ukraine, Syria Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan. All policy failures. The Chinese are building islands and what can the US do about it? Nothing. Twenty years ago they would have sent in the 6 fleet, today it’s a single ship and even then it did not violate the 12 nautical mile rule. Why doesn’t it send in troops into Syria? It can’t. It has a war-weary population, lack of active troops, outdated and overused equipment and money.
Wake up.

Jugolsavija

pre 8 godina

now becoming the most devout fascists.
(Jugoslavia, 21 November 2015 10:21)

How is it possible to type something like this? srsly. Can you even describe what a "fascist" is and how Montenegrins are become "devout" fascists?

ridiculous.
(Danilo, 21 November 2015 21:44)

How is it possible that an Albanian is trying to tell a Pastrovici about Montenegro! What's ridiculous is to answer your rhetorical question, NATO is a fascist organization as it does not even follow its own charter which is defensive.

ARTICLE V

A collective security organization settles disputes among its members. In contrast, a collective defense organization assists a member state under attack by an outside country. NATO is a collective defense organization.


It flagrantly invades and bombs countries contravening the UN and International law. Hitler sent Romanian, Croatian, Albanians to the Russian front as part of its AXIS alliance. NATO is no different bombing states like Serbia, Iraq, Libya and Syria. No different than a totalitarian state that does not follow the rule of law, namely a fascist organization.

ida

pre 8 godina

There's been major protests in Montenegro recently against its government.

I think a NATO decision my prompt a civil war or overthrow of the government.

But Russia has been a supporter for years of this corrupt government and Russia was one of the first to "recognize" Montenegro after that dodgy independence vote.
The U.S. was flying Albanian-Montenegrins living in the U.S. for free to vote and there were some voting offices set up over the borders into Albania and Kosovo. There was fraud, but if the outcome serves the western agenda, they won't complain.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Which means Serbia was told the same.
(Avni, 20 November 2015 22:44
======================
No need for that. Serbian politicians wouldn't dare even suggest that to the people.
People of Montenegro can't do much about their bad government for now. Milo is obviously backed by the west and will stay in power until his job is done. The US know how elections are stolen and will make sure that Milos keeps his throne.

anon

pre 8 godina

and what happens if russians ignore them again? they'll get REALLY mad this time?
i think it's important for the people of the world to understand that there is no negotiation with russia. the only thing they understand is force.

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

Montenegro and Bosnia will never be again part of Serbia

+ Romania will take the Banat from Serbia where live Romanian people that are called Vlachs , they are more important than Moldova .

Questioner

pre 8 godina

"Stoltenberg said that NATO's presence in Kosovo and Metohija is the organization's longest mission and added that this also demonstrates a commitment to working towards providing safety and security to the whole region."

Is this something to be proud of? It's like a professor being proud of his students still learning from him after 15 years.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"NATO views sovereignty as special only when it suits them...! "
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 02:04)

Well, if it is like that, than it's even more true for Russia. When did a NATO state last time annexed a territory and incorporated it in their own state? Didn't happen so far, did it?

pss

pre 8 godina

(sj, 22 November 2015 10:13)
You have one huge imagination, if you would have harvested that talent you could have been a very talented author and would not have to live in the world of embellishment to make your self "seem" important.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 8 godina

Within a Year or Two,
Montenegro and Bosniaherzeguvina will be a part of Serbia and then,
everything is fine and stability has come to the Balkans.

Arn.Sweden.

sj

pre 8 godina

Milo will not be in power for too long if they do invited him to join NATO. As I have said before the US of Piss and Wind is too late. Ohh yes the mighty windbags are now busy trying to stop the Chinese from building artificial islands by promising the surrounding countries billions – it’s like a drunken sailor on Saturday night, money being thrown all over the place. But the US has to put another loan application to Bejing so that they can give out a cent. From world power to international clown in such a short time.
By the way what happened to NATO stopping Russia in Ukraine? Or maybe in Syria? What happened there? I know, they are busy holding military exercised somewhere for their 5000 desperation force to show those Russkies they mean business LOL.
Now why do they still have to keep FOR in Kosovo????? Surely their new democratic baby is capable of governing themselves? No they don’t really trust Mustapha et al. There are 1200 Albos fighting in Syria and that is why.

Avni

pre 8 godina

Diplomats: NATO going to invite Montenegro to join the alliance on Dec 1st.
https://www.armedpolitics.com/1164/diplomats-nato-going-to-invite-montenegro-to-join-the-alliance/

Danilo

pre 8 godina

(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 02:04)

Instead of being so sad that Serbia's sovereignty was violated (ie, wishing that Serbia was left alone to oppress 90% of its population in one of its provinces, disenfranchising them, creating a police state in one of its provinces, maybe not might be a good time to examine what your values actually are. Because, so far, you seem to be advocating state violence on ethnic grounds.

Personally, if I found myself to be dreaming of state violence, I'd think it's time to reevaluate my moral centre. Do you have a moral centre?

Danilo

pre 8 godina

now becoming the most devout fascists.
(Jugoslavia, 21 November 2015 10:21)

How is it possible to type something like this? srsly. Can you even describe what a "fascist" is and how Montenegrins are become "devout" fascists?

ridiculous.

Drymades

pre 8 godina

I'm speechless. Thought Montenegrins were proud and smart people. However, this Drymades-based business tycoon here, is officially inviting Russian tourists to forget about Montenegro and to discover our beautiful beaches in South Albania.

Jugoslavia

pre 8 godina

What stupid comments , weird Italian connection? The Adriatic of the former Yugoslavia was under the Venetia empire where parts are under Italy. Montenegro had a very strong relationship with Russia , King Nikola and Nikolai Romanov used to send naval cadets in Montenegro and vice versa. Montenegro at this moment is economically supported by Russians have bought many areas in the coast and own the largest aluminum company.
That is changing real quickly as Djukanovic tries to brainwash Montenegrins to renounce their Serbian roots. The Montenegrins were the most devout Communists under Tito and now becoming the most devout fascists.

John

pre 8 godina

Which means when Russia turns off gas supply to boringnegro and calls in the massive debt then nato can be told mind your own business too.

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

This could not get any more hypocritical...

NATO cheif tells Russia not to interfere as montenegro is sovereign...!

Russia told NATO not to interfere with Serbia and montenegro in the 90s, but NATO did not listen...!

NATO views sovereignty as special only when it suits them...!

As far as the evidence points out, NATO does not uphold the International principal of sovereignty, but then claims sovereignty in order to achieve specific foreign policy objectives... we cannot get any more hypocritical then the NATO war dogs...

If I was Russia, I would just disregard the filthy hypocritical language which comes from NATO as the west has proven that sovereignty is only for the west and western allies...

NATO should take its own advice before commiting to war and overruling sovereignty which it has a consistent record of doing...!

icj1

pre 8 godina

nato is nothing they are old and aging.....
(nato and america are a joke, 20 November 2015 18:12)

If that's the case, I don't get why Russia is making a big fuss about it. Perhaps, you might want to tell Russia to read your statement above.
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American days are long gone as we see the new world is here and that is the Russians, chinese, india and the rest of brics and their allies world wide ,they are here to stay its the new world....
(nato and america are a joke, 20 November 2015 18:12)

I'm wondering where all those Russian allies are when Russia needs their support during UN votes... somehow they vaporize :)
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so Serbia, Montenegro must not get suckered in these lies....grow up///////
(nato and america are a joke, 20 November 2015 18:12)

I totally agree, they must not get suckered in the lies you wrote!

bulatovic

pre 8 godina

It is not as much NATO or EU rather than Italy whom montes are seeking. My understanding is that albos and montes in Balkans have somekind of weird affection towards Italy. King of Montenegro hundred years ago had an Italian wife, but than again another member of that royal family was married to a russian.

nato and america are a joke

pre 8 godina

nato is nothing they are old and aging.....American days are long gone as we see the new world is here and that is the Russians,chinese,india and the rest of brics and their allies world wide ,they are here to stay its the new world....so Serbia, Montenegro must not get suckered in these lies....grow up///////

the actual truth

pre 8 godina

"Montenegro is a sovereign and independent country and as such has the right to decide on its own path, including the security alliances it wants to be a part of," said Stoltenberg.

And that decision will be curtailed by Milo in favor of joining NATO. Left to their own decision, Montenegro would not join. Milo however has deals to fulfill in exchange for immunity from prosecution, which is why he's so scared of the protests in Podgorica.

the actual truth

pre 8 godina

"Montenegro is a sovereign and independent country and as such has the right to decide on its own path, including the security alliances it wants to be a part of," said Stoltenberg.

And that decision will be curtailed by Milo in favor of joining NATO. Left to their own decision, Montenegro would not join. Milo however has deals to fulfill in exchange for immunity from prosecution, which is why he's so scared of the protests in Podgorica.

nato and america are a joke

pre 8 godina

nato is nothing they are old and aging.....American days are long gone as we see the new world is here and that is the Russians,chinese,india and the rest of brics and their allies world wide ,they are here to stay its the new world....so Serbia, Montenegro must not get suckered in these lies....grow up///////

Jugoslavia

pre 8 godina

What stupid comments , weird Italian connection? The Adriatic of the former Yugoslavia was under the Venetia empire where parts are under Italy. Montenegro had a very strong relationship with Russia , King Nikola and Nikolai Romanov used to send naval cadets in Montenegro and vice versa. Montenegro at this moment is economically supported by Russians have bought many areas in the coast and own the largest aluminum company.
That is changing real quickly as Djukanovic tries to brainwash Montenegrins to renounce their Serbian roots. The Montenegrins were the most devout Communists under Tito and now becoming the most devout fascists.

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

This could not get any more hypocritical...

NATO cheif tells Russia not to interfere as montenegro is sovereign...!

Russia told NATO not to interfere with Serbia and montenegro in the 90s, but NATO did not listen...!

NATO views sovereignty as special only when it suits them...!

As far as the evidence points out, NATO does not uphold the International principal of sovereignty, but then claims sovereignty in order to achieve specific foreign policy objectives... we cannot get any more hypocritical then the NATO war dogs...

If I was Russia, I would just disregard the filthy hypocritical language which comes from NATO as the west has proven that sovereignty is only for the west and western allies...

NATO should take its own advice before commiting to war and overruling sovereignty which it has a consistent record of doing...!

John

pre 8 godina

Which means when Russia turns off gas supply to boringnegro and calls in the massive debt then nato can be told mind your own business too.

icj1

pre 8 godina

nato is nothing they are old and aging.....
(nato and america are a joke, 20 November 2015 18:12)

If that's the case, I don't get why Russia is making a big fuss about it. Perhaps, you might want to tell Russia to read your statement above.
----------

American days are long gone as we see the new world is here and that is the Russians, chinese, india and the rest of brics and their allies world wide ,they are here to stay its the new world....
(nato and america are a joke, 20 November 2015 18:12)

I'm wondering where all those Russian allies are when Russia needs their support during UN votes... somehow they vaporize :)
----------

so Serbia, Montenegro must not get suckered in these lies....grow up///////
(nato and america are a joke, 20 November 2015 18:12)

I totally agree, they must not get suckered in the lies you wrote!

sj

pre 8 godina

Milo will not be in power for too long if they do invited him to join NATO. As I have said before the US of Piss and Wind is too late. Ohh yes the mighty windbags are now busy trying to stop the Chinese from building artificial islands by promising the surrounding countries billions – it’s like a drunken sailor on Saturday night, money being thrown all over the place. But the US has to put another loan application to Bejing so that they can give out a cent. From world power to international clown in such a short time.
By the way what happened to NATO stopping Russia in Ukraine? Or maybe in Syria? What happened there? I know, they are busy holding military exercised somewhere for their 5000 desperation force to show those Russkies they mean business LOL.
Now why do they still have to keep FOR in Kosovo????? Surely their new democratic baby is capable of governing themselves? No they don’t really trust Mustapha et al. There are 1200 Albos fighting in Syria and that is why.

Danilo

pre 8 godina

now becoming the most devout fascists.
(Jugoslavia, 21 November 2015 10:21)

How is it possible to type something like this? srsly. Can you even describe what a "fascist" is and how Montenegrins are become "devout" fascists?

ridiculous.

Avni

pre 8 godina

Diplomats: NATO going to invite Montenegro to join the alliance on Dec 1st.
https://www.armedpolitics.com/1164/diplomats-nato-going-to-invite-montenegro-to-join-the-alliance/

Danilo

pre 8 godina

(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 02:04)

Instead of being so sad that Serbia's sovereignty was violated (ie, wishing that Serbia was left alone to oppress 90% of its population in one of its provinces, disenfranchising them, creating a police state in one of its provinces, maybe not might be a good time to examine what your values actually are. Because, so far, you seem to be advocating state violence on ethnic grounds.

Personally, if I found myself to be dreaming of state violence, I'd think it's time to reevaluate my moral centre. Do you have a moral centre?

Arn.Sweden.

pre 8 godina

Within a Year or Two,
Montenegro and Bosniaherzeguvina will be a part of Serbia and then,
everything is fine and stability has come to the Balkans.

Arn.Sweden.

Drymades

pre 8 godina

I'm speechless. Thought Montenegrins were proud and smart people. However, this Drymades-based business tycoon here, is officially inviting Russian tourists to forget about Montenegro and to discover our beautiful beaches in South Albania.

bulatovic

pre 8 godina

It is not as much NATO or EU rather than Italy whom montes are seeking. My understanding is that albos and montes in Balkans have somekind of weird affection towards Italy. King of Montenegro hundred years ago had an Italian wife, but than again another member of that royal family was married to a russian.

Jugolsavija

pre 8 godina

now becoming the most devout fascists.
(Jugoslavia, 21 November 2015 10:21)

How is it possible to type something like this? srsly. Can you even describe what a "fascist" is and how Montenegrins are become "devout" fascists?

ridiculous.
(Danilo, 21 November 2015 21:44)

How is it possible that an Albanian is trying to tell a Pastrovici about Montenegro! What's ridiculous is to answer your rhetorical question, NATO is a fascist organization as it does not even follow its own charter which is defensive.

ARTICLE V

A collective security organization settles disputes among its members. In contrast, a collective defense organization assists a member state under attack by an outside country. NATO is a collective defense organization.


It flagrantly invades and bombs countries contravening the UN and International law. Hitler sent Romanian, Croatian, Albanians to the Russian front as part of its AXIS alliance. NATO is no different bombing states like Serbia, Iraq, Libya and Syria. No different than a totalitarian state that does not follow the rule of law, namely a fascist organization.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Which means Serbia was told the same.
(Avni, 20 November 2015 22:44
======================
No need for that. Serbian politicians wouldn't dare even suggest that to the people.
People of Montenegro can't do much about their bad government for now. Milo is obviously backed by the west and will stay in power until his job is done. The US know how elections are stolen and will make sure that Milos keeps his throne.

pss

pre 8 godina

(sj, 22 November 2015 10:13)
You have one huge imagination, if you would have harvested that talent you could have been a very talented author and would not have to live in the world of embellishment to make your self "seem" important.

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

Montenegro and Bosnia will never be again part of Serbia

+ Romania will take the Banat from Serbia where live Romanian people that are called Vlachs , they are more important than Moldova .

anon

pre 8 godina

and what happens if russians ignore them again? they'll get REALLY mad this time?
i think it's important for the people of the world to understand that there is no negotiation with russia. the only thing they understand is force.

ida

pre 8 godina

There's been major protests in Montenegro recently against its government.

I think a NATO decision my prompt a civil war or overthrow of the government.

But Russia has been a supporter for years of this corrupt government and Russia was one of the first to "recognize" Montenegro after that dodgy independence vote.
The U.S. was flying Albanian-Montenegrins living in the U.S. for free to vote and there were some voting offices set up over the borders into Albania and Kosovo. There was fraud, but if the outcome serves the western agenda, they won't complain.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"NATO views sovereignty as special only when it suits them...! "
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 02:04)

Well, if it is like that, than it's even more true for Russia. When did a NATO state last time annexed a territory and incorporated it in their own state? Didn't happen so far, did it?

rote

pre 8 godina

no negotiation with russia. the only thing they understand is force.
(anon, 22 November 2015 23:57)

Even if so where this force is when the US talks of only keeping up a technological parity in the future ? Din’t you understand what Russia has demonstrated ? The USA is in panic because Caliber missiles with 2500-4000 km reach has turned their 9 aircraft carriers into scraps that cannot approach Europe or Northern Africa or Japan of China within the range of their planes aboard. To say nothing that the Patriot missiles are withdrawn from Turkey because the Russians made them blind turning into scrap too. As well as the drones that are captured every week. Seems that you don’t understand the drastic technological changes that has happened in Russia’s favor lately. So negitiations is the only option left for the West and their lackey suckers.

Dwight

pre 8 godina

The Australian Defence Minister Senator Marise Payne spoke about it within days of incident. It came out when a question was put to her as to why Australia did not join the US in this venture. According to her the Lassen sailed close to the 12 mile limit but did not cross over
(sj, 23 November 2015 13:19)

Again, I can find nothing in her statement or any interview questions to corroborate what you say.
Could you provide a link?

Questioner

pre 8 godina

"Stoltenberg said that NATO's presence in Kosovo and Metohija is the organization's longest mission and added that this also demonstrates a commitment to working towards providing safety and security to the whole region."

Is this something to be proud of? It's like a professor being proud of his students still learning from him after 15 years.

sj

pre 8 godina

(pss, 22 November 2015 13:59)

Lad, living in the US is much like living under a glass dome. Nothing from the outside gets in.
The tsunami of propaganda has brainwashed the majority of its population to the point of making most Americans a laughing stock. I posted here about 2 years ago about an article in one of Rupert Murdock’s papers in Australia about the real situation in US.
It stated that once the American people find out the truth about what is going on, there will be revolution.
The frog does not feel the water starting to boil. Look at Ukraine, Syria Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan. All policy failures. The Chinese are building islands and what can the US do about it? Nothing. Twenty years ago they would have sent in the 6 fleet, today it’s a single ship and even then it did not violate the 12 nautical mile rule. Why doesn’t it send in troops into Syria? It can’t. It has a war-weary population, lack of active troops, outdated and overused equipment and money.
Wake up.

Dwight

pre 8 godina

today it’s a single ship and even then it did not violate the 12 nautical mile rule.
(sj, 23 November 2015 10:59)

Could you please let me know your source for the Lassen not sailing within 12 miles of the islands?
All articles I can find state the opposite of what you say

http://english.cri.cn/12394/2015/11/23/2702s905320.htm

icj1

pre 8 godina

NATO is a fascist organization as it does not even follow its own charter which is defensive.
(Jugolsavija, 23 November 2015 07:48)

We have a new definition in the English language:

Fascism: not following a charter

This is great seen a poster in the B92 forums contributing to the enrichment of the English language :)

sj

pre 8 godina

Don't blame him too much, he was educated with the prestigious Fake Pristina Degree, Master Degree in Shiptari Law. He wouldn't know what fascism was even if he was struck with a baseball bat by ISIS leader ABU BAKR, he would probably enjoy it.
(Jugolslavija, 24 November 2015 13:30)

I agree.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Haven't our Serb pals noticed the EU is now considering for membership only those countries in Nato.
(The Count of Kosova, 22 November 2015 20:58) # Comment link
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Stick to your trapeze act Clown of Kosovo, you are almost as smart as your pal AI, ICJ1, et al. I didn't know your friends Turkey was part of NATO.

icj1

pre 8 godina

Twenty years ago they would have sent in the 6 fleet, today it’s a single ship and even then it did not violate the 12 nautical mile rule.
(sj, 23 November 2015 10:59)

Oh, thanks God they did not violate it... The CE of B92 forums sj should perhaps help the Chinese and train them on how to measure distances in the sea because they thought the ship entered the waters of those islands and called in the US ambassador to protest - so all of that was much ado about nothing by China.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

icj1

pre 8 godina

By the way what happened to NATO stopping Russia in Ukraine? Or maybe in Syria? What happened there?
(sj, 22 November 2015 10:13)

Are you serious?! How can't you be aware that the CE of B92 forums sj has already ruled that NATO is all p... and wind?!

The CE of B92 forums sj has already answered your question - pay more attention to his/her teachings next time and don't ask stupid questions!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

sj

pre 8 godina

We have a new definition in the English language:

Fascism: not following a charter

This is great seen a poster in the B92 forums contributing to the enrichment of the English language :)
(icj1, 24 November 2015 05:52)

Pure classic AI babble. The AI found a dictionary and does not know what to do with it so it tries to show some whit, but it’s totally witless LOL. What a halfwit.
The AI strikes again.

P.S. AI = Albanian Idiot

Jugolslavija

pre 8 godina

The AI found a dictionary and does not know what to do with it so it tries to show some whit, but it’s totally witless LOL. What a halfwit.
The AI strikes again.

P.S. AI = Albanian Idiot
(sj, 24 November 2015 10:52)
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Don't blame him too much, he was educated with the prestigious Fake Pristina Degree, Master Degree in Shiptari Law. He wouldn't know what fascism was even if he was struck with a baseball bat by ISIS leader ABU BAKR, he would probably enjoy it.

icj1

pre 8 godina

NATO is a fascist organization as it does not even follow its own charter which is defensive.
(Jugolsavija, 23 November 2015 07:48)

We have a new definition in the English language:

Fascism: not following a charter

This is great seen a poster in the B92 forums contributing to the enrichment of the English language :)
(icj1, 24 November 2015 05:52)

Pure classic AI babble. The AI found a dictionary and does not know what to do with it so it tries to show some whit, but it’s totally witless LOL. What a halfwit.
The AI strikes again.

P.S. AI = Albanian Idiot
(sj, 24 November 2015 10:52)

I did not say that our dear friend Jugolsavija was babbling, but if the CE of B92 forums sj says so, I guess we have to accept it since the CE of B92 forums sj is always correct :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

sj

pre 8 godina

Could you please let me know your source for the Lassen not sailing within 12 miles of the islands?
All articles I can find state the opposite of what you say

[link]
(Dwight, 23 November 2015 11:44)

The Australian Defence Minister Senator Marise Payne spoke about it within days of incident. It came out when a question was put to her as to why Australia did not join the US in this venture. According to her the Lassen sailed close to the 12 mile limit but did not cross over. This is supported by the US Admiral for that region who prior to the incident stated that USS Lassen would not stray into the 12 mile zone. The Chinese are very sensitive over this issue and tend to make big noises despite nothing occurring.
However, navies always like to test the opposition much like when the Chinese held exercises with the Russian in the Bering Sea several months ago and came very close to one of the Aleutian Islands.

sj

pre 8 godina

Again, I can find nothing in her statement or any interview questions to corroborate what you say.
Could you provide a link?
(Dwight, 23 November 2015 14:07)

I would be happy to post such a link but the Minister was on a Government radio station and perhaps due to her being a first time appointee she may have said too much. Several days after I attempted to find her statement in the press but there was no mention at all.
However, the US admiral issued a statement prior to the incident that USS Lassen was to sail within the 30 nautical miles and not in the 12 mile zone. The ship may have been right on the edge. A similar incident occurred with the Chinese navy near the Aleutian Islands a couple of months prior and the US papers wrote a near identical article to what you have posted. But as one of our former Prime Ministers, Paul Keating, said 20 years ago the US would have sent the 6 fleet but today it only a token ship.
Neither side would want an incident to occur that could blow out into a war.

nato and america are a joke

pre 8 godina

nato is nothing they are old and aging.....American days are long gone as we see the new world is here and that is the Russians,chinese,india and the rest of brics and their allies world wide ,they are here to stay its the new world....so Serbia, Montenegro must not get suckered in these lies....grow up///////

Jugoslavia

pre 8 godina

What stupid comments , weird Italian connection? The Adriatic of the former Yugoslavia was under the Venetia empire where parts are under Italy. Montenegro had a very strong relationship with Russia , King Nikola and Nikolai Romanov used to send naval cadets in Montenegro and vice versa. Montenegro at this moment is economically supported by Russians have bought many areas in the coast and own the largest aluminum company.
That is changing real quickly as Djukanovic tries to brainwash Montenegrins to renounce their Serbian roots. The Montenegrins were the most devout Communists under Tito and now becoming the most devout fascists.

icj1

pre 8 godina

nato is nothing they are old and aging.....
(nato and america are a joke, 20 November 2015 18:12)

If that's the case, I don't get why Russia is making a big fuss about it. Perhaps, you might want to tell Russia to read your statement above.
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American days are long gone as we see the new world is here and that is the Russians, chinese, india and the rest of brics and their allies world wide ,they are here to stay its the new world....
(nato and america are a joke, 20 November 2015 18:12)

I'm wondering where all those Russian allies are when Russia needs their support during UN votes... somehow they vaporize :)
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so Serbia, Montenegro must not get suckered in these lies....grow up///////
(nato and america are a joke, 20 November 2015 18:12)

I totally agree, they must not get suckered in the lies you wrote!

Arn.Sweden.

pre 8 godina

Within a Year or Two,
Montenegro and Bosniaherzeguvina will be a part of Serbia and then,
everything is fine and stability has come to the Balkans.

Arn.Sweden.

the actual truth

pre 8 godina

"Montenegro is a sovereign and independent country and as such has the right to decide on its own path, including the security alliances it wants to be a part of," said Stoltenberg.

And that decision will be curtailed by Milo in favor of joining NATO. Left to their own decision, Montenegro would not join. Milo however has deals to fulfill in exchange for immunity from prosecution, which is why he's so scared of the protests in Podgorica.

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

This could not get any more hypocritical...

NATO cheif tells Russia not to interfere as montenegro is sovereign...!

Russia told NATO not to interfere with Serbia and montenegro in the 90s, but NATO did not listen...!

NATO views sovereignty as special only when it suits them...!

As far as the evidence points out, NATO does not uphold the International principal of sovereignty, but then claims sovereignty in order to achieve specific foreign policy objectives... we cannot get any more hypocritical then the NATO war dogs...

If I was Russia, I would just disregard the filthy hypocritical language which comes from NATO as the west has proven that sovereignty is only for the west and western allies...

NATO should take its own advice before commiting to war and overruling sovereignty which it has a consistent record of doing...!

sj

pre 8 godina

Milo will not be in power for too long if they do invited him to join NATO. As I have said before the US of Piss and Wind is too late. Ohh yes the mighty windbags are now busy trying to stop the Chinese from building artificial islands by promising the surrounding countries billions – it’s like a drunken sailor on Saturday night, money being thrown all over the place. But the US has to put another loan application to Bejing so that they can give out a cent. From world power to international clown in such a short time.
By the way what happened to NATO stopping Russia in Ukraine? Or maybe in Syria? What happened there? I know, they are busy holding military exercised somewhere for their 5000 desperation force to show those Russkies they mean business LOL.
Now why do they still have to keep FOR in Kosovo????? Surely their new democratic baby is capable of governing themselves? No they don’t really trust Mustapha et al. There are 1200 Albos fighting in Syria and that is why.

Danilo

pre 8 godina

(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 02:04)

Instead of being so sad that Serbia's sovereignty was violated (ie, wishing that Serbia was left alone to oppress 90% of its population in one of its provinces, disenfranchising them, creating a police state in one of its provinces, maybe not might be a good time to examine what your values actually are. Because, so far, you seem to be advocating state violence on ethnic grounds.

Personally, if I found myself to be dreaming of state violence, I'd think it's time to reevaluate my moral centre. Do you have a moral centre?

John

pre 8 godina

Which means when Russia turns off gas supply to boringnegro and calls in the massive debt then nato can be told mind your own business too.

Danilo

pre 8 godina

now becoming the most devout fascists.
(Jugoslavia, 21 November 2015 10:21)

How is it possible to type something like this? srsly. Can you even describe what a "fascist" is and how Montenegrins are become "devout" fascists?

ridiculous.

Drymades

pre 8 godina

I'm speechless. Thought Montenegrins were proud and smart people. However, this Drymades-based business tycoon here, is officially inviting Russian tourists to forget about Montenegro and to discover our beautiful beaches in South Albania.

Avni

pre 8 godina

Diplomats: NATO going to invite Montenegro to join the alliance on Dec 1st.
https://www.armedpolitics.com/1164/diplomats-nato-going-to-invite-montenegro-to-join-the-alliance/

bulatovic

pre 8 godina

It is not as much NATO or EU rather than Italy whom montes are seeking. My understanding is that albos and montes in Balkans have somekind of weird affection towards Italy. King of Montenegro hundred years ago had an Italian wife, but than again another member of that royal family was married to a russian.

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

Montenegro and Bosnia will never be again part of Serbia

+ Romania will take the Banat from Serbia where live Romanian people that are called Vlachs , they are more important than Moldova .

Jugolsavija

pre 8 godina

now becoming the most devout fascists.
(Jugoslavia, 21 November 2015 10:21)

How is it possible to type something like this? srsly. Can you even describe what a "fascist" is and how Montenegrins are become "devout" fascists?

ridiculous.
(Danilo, 21 November 2015 21:44)

How is it possible that an Albanian is trying to tell a Pastrovici about Montenegro! What's ridiculous is to answer your rhetorical question, NATO is a fascist organization as it does not even follow its own charter which is defensive.

ARTICLE V

A collective security organization settles disputes among its members. In contrast, a collective defense organization assists a member state under attack by an outside country. NATO is a collective defense organization.


It flagrantly invades and bombs countries contravening the UN and International law. Hitler sent Romanian, Croatian, Albanians to the Russian front as part of its AXIS alliance. NATO is no different bombing states like Serbia, Iraq, Libya and Syria. No different than a totalitarian state that does not follow the rule of law, namely a fascist organization.

ida

pre 8 godina

There's been major protests in Montenegro recently against its government.

I think a NATO decision my prompt a civil war or overthrow of the government.

But Russia has been a supporter for years of this corrupt government and Russia was one of the first to "recognize" Montenegro after that dodgy independence vote.
The U.S. was flying Albanian-Montenegrins living in the U.S. for free to vote and there were some voting offices set up over the borders into Albania and Kosovo. There was fraud, but if the outcome serves the western agenda, they won't complain.

anon

pre 8 godina

and what happens if russians ignore them again? they'll get REALLY mad this time?
i think it's important for the people of the world to understand that there is no negotiation with russia. the only thing they understand is force.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Which means Serbia was told the same.
(Avni, 20 November 2015 22:44
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No need for that. Serbian politicians wouldn't dare even suggest that to the people.
People of Montenegro can't do much about their bad government for now. Milo is obviously backed by the west and will stay in power until his job is done. The US know how elections are stolen and will make sure that Milos keeps his throne.

rote

pre 8 godina

no negotiation with russia. the only thing they understand is force.
(anon, 22 November 2015 23:57)

Even if so where this force is when the US talks of only keeping up a technological parity in the future ? Din’t you understand what Russia has demonstrated ? The USA is in panic because Caliber missiles with 2500-4000 km reach has turned their 9 aircraft carriers into scraps that cannot approach Europe or Northern Africa or Japan of China within the range of their planes aboard. To say nothing that the Patriot missiles are withdrawn from Turkey because the Russians made them blind turning into scrap too. As well as the drones that are captured every week. Seems that you don’t understand the drastic technological changes that has happened in Russia’s favor lately. So negitiations is the only option left for the West and their lackey suckers.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"NATO views sovereignty as special only when it suits them...! "
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 02:04)

Well, if it is like that, than it's even more true for Russia. When did a NATO state last time annexed a territory and incorporated it in their own state? Didn't happen so far, did it?

sj

pre 8 godina

(pss, 22 November 2015 13:59)

Lad, living in the US is much like living under a glass dome. Nothing from the outside gets in.
The tsunami of propaganda has brainwashed the majority of its population to the point of making most Americans a laughing stock. I posted here about 2 years ago about an article in one of Rupert Murdock’s papers in Australia about the real situation in US.
It stated that once the American people find out the truth about what is going on, there will be revolution.
The frog does not feel the water starting to boil. Look at Ukraine, Syria Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan. All policy failures. The Chinese are building islands and what can the US do about it? Nothing. Twenty years ago they would have sent in the 6 fleet, today it’s a single ship and even then it did not violate the 12 nautical mile rule. Why doesn’t it send in troops into Syria? It can’t. It has a war-weary population, lack of active troops, outdated and overused equipment and money.
Wake up.

sj

pre 8 godina

Could you please let me know your source for the Lassen not sailing within 12 miles of the islands?
All articles I can find state the opposite of what you say

[link]
(Dwight, 23 November 2015 11:44)

The Australian Defence Minister Senator Marise Payne spoke about it within days of incident. It came out when a question was put to her as to why Australia did not join the US in this venture. According to her the Lassen sailed close to the 12 mile limit but did not cross over. This is supported by the US Admiral for that region who prior to the incident stated that USS Lassen would not stray into the 12 mile zone. The Chinese are very sensitive over this issue and tend to make big noises despite nothing occurring.
However, navies always like to test the opposition much like when the Chinese held exercises with the Russian in the Bering Sea several months ago and came very close to one of the Aleutian Islands.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Haven't our Serb pals noticed the EU is now considering for membership only those countries in Nato.
(The Count of Kosova, 22 November 2015 20:58) # Comment link
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Stick to your trapeze act Clown of Kosovo, you are almost as smart as your pal AI, ICJ1, et al. I didn't know your friends Turkey was part of NATO.

sj

pre 8 godina

Again, I can find nothing in her statement or any interview questions to corroborate what you say.
Could you provide a link?
(Dwight, 23 November 2015 14:07)

I would be happy to post such a link but the Minister was on a Government radio station and perhaps due to her being a first time appointee she may have said too much. Several days after I attempted to find her statement in the press but there was no mention at all.
However, the US admiral issued a statement prior to the incident that USS Lassen was to sail within the 30 nautical miles and not in the 12 mile zone. The ship may have been right on the edge. A similar incident occurred with the Chinese navy near the Aleutian Islands a couple of months prior and the US papers wrote a near identical article to what you have posted. But as one of our former Prime Ministers, Paul Keating, said 20 years ago the US would have sent the 6 fleet but today it only a token ship.
Neither side would want an incident to occur that could blow out into a war.

pss

pre 8 godina

(sj, 22 November 2015 10:13)
You have one huge imagination, if you would have harvested that talent you could have been a very talented author and would not have to live in the world of embellishment to make your self "seem" important.

Questioner

pre 8 godina

"Stoltenberg said that NATO's presence in Kosovo and Metohija is the organization's longest mission and added that this also demonstrates a commitment to working towards providing safety and security to the whole region."

Is this something to be proud of? It's like a professor being proud of his students still learning from him after 15 years.

icj1

pre 8 godina

Twenty years ago they would have sent in the 6 fleet, today it’s a single ship and even then it did not violate the 12 nautical mile rule.
(sj, 23 November 2015 10:59)

Oh, thanks God they did not violate it... The CE of B92 forums sj should perhaps help the Chinese and train them on how to measure distances in the sea because they thought the ship entered the waters of those islands and called in the US ambassador to protest - so all of that was much ado about nothing by China.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

icj1

pre 8 godina

NATO is a fascist organization as it does not even follow its own charter which is defensive.
(Jugolsavija, 23 November 2015 07:48)

We have a new definition in the English language:

Fascism: not following a charter

This is great seen a poster in the B92 forums contributing to the enrichment of the English language :)

icj1

pre 8 godina

By the way what happened to NATO stopping Russia in Ukraine? Or maybe in Syria? What happened there?
(sj, 22 November 2015 10:13)

Are you serious?! How can't you be aware that the CE of B92 forums sj has already ruled that NATO is all p... and wind?!

The CE of B92 forums sj has already answered your question - pay more attention to his/her teachings next time and don't ask stupid questions!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

sj

pre 8 godina

We have a new definition in the English language:

Fascism: not following a charter

This is great seen a poster in the B92 forums contributing to the enrichment of the English language :)
(icj1, 24 November 2015 05:52)

Pure classic AI babble. The AI found a dictionary and does not know what to do with it so it tries to show some whit, but it’s totally witless LOL. What a halfwit.
The AI strikes again.

P.S. AI = Albanian Idiot

Dwight

pre 8 godina

today it’s a single ship and even then it did not violate the 12 nautical mile rule.
(sj, 23 November 2015 10:59)

Could you please let me know your source for the Lassen not sailing within 12 miles of the islands?
All articles I can find state the opposite of what you say

http://english.cri.cn/12394/2015/11/23/2702s905320.htm

Dwight

pre 8 godina

The Australian Defence Minister Senator Marise Payne spoke about it within days of incident. It came out when a question was put to her as to why Australia did not join the US in this venture. According to her the Lassen sailed close to the 12 mile limit but did not cross over
(sj, 23 November 2015 13:19)

Again, I can find nothing in her statement or any interview questions to corroborate what you say.
Could you provide a link?

Jugolslavija

pre 8 godina

The AI found a dictionary and does not know what to do with it so it tries to show some whit, but it’s totally witless LOL. What a halfwit.
The AI strikes again.

P.S. AI = Albanian Idiot
(sj, 24 November 2015 10:52)
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Don't blame him too much, he was educated with the prestigious Fake Pristina Degree, Master Degree in Shiptari Law. He wouldn't know what fascism was even if he was struck with a baseball bat by ISIS leader ABU BAKR, he would probably enjoy it.

sj

pre 8 godina

Don't blame him too much, he was educated with the prestigious Fake Pristina Degree, Master Degree in Shiptari Law. He wouldn't know what fascism was even if he was struck with a baseball bat by ISIS leader ABU BAKR, he would probably enjoy it.
(Jugolslavija, 24 November 2015 13:30)

I agree.

icj1

pre 8 godina

NATO is a fascist organization as it does not even follow its own charter which is defensive.
(Jugolsavija, 23 November 2015 07:48)

We have a new definition in the English language:

Fascism: not following a charter

This is great seen a poster in the B92 forums contributing to the enrichment of the English language :)
(icj1, 24 November 2015 05:52)

Pure classic AI babble. The AI found a dictionary and does not know what to do with it so it tries to show some whit, but it’s totally witless LOL. What a halfwit.
The AI strikes again.

P.S. AI = Albanian Idiot
(sj, 24 November 2015 10:52)

I did not say that our dear friend Jugolsavija was babbling, but if the CE of B92 forums sj says so, I guess we have to accept it since the CE of B92 forums sj is always correct :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist