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Tuesday, 17.11.2015.

10:35

Russian passenger plane was destroyed by terrorists

The Russian passenger plane that crashed in Egypt last month was destroyed by terrorists, Federal Security Service (FSB) Director Aleksandr Bortnikov has said.

Izvor: RT

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icj1

pre 8 godina

icj1,

as far as I know, the evacuation was done quietly and fast. I cannot comment regarding risking the lives because the entire low-cost tourist flow was re-directed to Turkey - which is only marginally safer.
(Ataman, 20 November 2015 11:08)

So, they knew it was a terrorist act even before finding trace of explosive. But you said "Until traces of explosive are found, all clues from FBI or FSB are just clues. It is better to assume mechanical failure"!!!!

Mate, at least, make sure to correctly regurgitate the instructions from the Kremlin on how to spin the story...

Ataman

pre 8 godina

icj1,

as far as I know, the evacuation was done quietly and fast. I cannot comment regarding risking the lives because the entire low-cost tourist flow was re-directed to Turkey - which is only marginally safer.

Have no idea, who is God Vlad. Probably related to blood-thirsty Aztec Snake-Pigeon God Quetzalcoatl devouring human organs?

Looks like Quetzal and Vlad are indeed not very far from each other... Hell is their final destination.

icj1

pre 8 godina

2) Until traces of explosive are found, all clues from FBI or FSB are just clues. It is better to assume mechanical failure.
(Ataman, 18 November 2015 15:34)

Now, I get it that God Vlad can never ever be wrong... but come on some common sense. The British and the Americans (even though they are the evil on Earth according to the most patriotic of Serbs and Russians) provided to Russia credible evidence that it was a terrorist act. God Vlad decided initially that it was better to risk the lives of more Russians than give the impression that the Americans and British had better capabilities than Russia to determine what happened, even without being at the scene. And then, common sense finally prevailed on him, as well, even before the physical evidence pointed to a terrorist act, too.

To wait for 100% certainty before taking measures against potential terrorist acts is simply idiotic. Traces of explosive are not the only way to establish that a bomb exploded.

Russia (even though not necessarily God Vlad) had much more to lose by assuming a mechanical failure vs taking action based on credible evidence that it was a terrorist act.

icj1

pre 8 godina

2) Until traces of explosive are found, all clues from FBI or FSB are just clues. It is better to assume mechanical failure.
(Ataman, 18 November 2015 15:34)

Now, I get it that God Vlad can never ever be wrong... but come on some common sense. The British and the Americans (even though they are the evil on Earth according to the most patriotic of Serbs and Russians) provided to Russia credible evidence that it was a terrorist act. God Vlad decided initially that it was better to risk the lives of more Russians than give the impression that the Americans and British had better capabilities than Russia to determine what happened, even without being at the scene. And then, common sense finally prevailed on him, as well, even before the physical evidence pointed to a terrorist act, too.

To wait for 100% certainty before taking measures against potential terrorist acts is simply idiotic. Traces of explosive are not the only way to establish that a bomb exploded.

Russia (even though not necessarily God Vlad) had much more to lose by assuming a mechanical failure vs taking action based on credible evidence that it was a terrorist act.

Ataman

pre 8 godina

Why the late report? Maybe the Russians were confused. Maybe the only possible candidates for doing the deed were Hamas or Hezbollah and you know, according to the Russians, these are not terrorist organizations.
(Paul, 17 November 2015 21:38)

1) There were tens of thousands of Russian tourists in the area. And about twice as much Brits. It took some time to evacuate them and the last thing what was desired was a panic.

To tell the truth... the majority of Russians and Brits tourists there are simple working people, very easy to scare. We are not talking about Nobel Prize candidates. The prices are such, that an extensive holiday in E.U. or in Russia does costs more than in Egypt.

The entire evacuation was done in both UK and RU quietly, see the reason above.

2) Until traces of explosive are found, all clues from FBI or FSB are just clues. It is better to assume mechanical failure.

3) A loud tam-tam beating could scare the criminals and they may remove certain traces. Luckily, as much as we may laugh at cops, the criminals are usually more stupid than the cops. BTW: that's why they are criminals.

sj

pre 8 godina

Why the late report? Maybe the Russians were confused. Maybe the only possible candidates for doing the deed were Hamas or Hezbollah and you know, according to the Russians, these are not terrorist organizations.
(Paul, 17 November 2015 21:38)

Investigations involving any type of disaster takes time to provide evidence. Western media were fed by western intelligence sources and headlines such as “Terrorists down Russian plane” came out within a couple of days. It’s all to do with we are smarter. They did not know the cause they were just guessing.
That particular aircraft was owned by a German company and leased to Metrojet. In 2012, the airplane had a bad very landing at Cairo Airport where the tail section hit the tarmac and the initial suspicion was that this part had broken off mid-flight as a result of that landing.
No Hamas or Hezbollah did not do that. It was ISIS were they have about 1200 Albanians in their ranks. The real problem is Egyptian security is total crap.

ida

pre 8 godina

Wish they'd give more details, such as any residue formulation that points to a bomb and which type it was. And what about the black box and voice recordings - what does that indicate was going on?

Most importantly: what's Russia going to do about it?

Paul

pre 8 godina

Why the late report? Maybe the Russians were confused. Maybe the only possible candidates for doing the deed were Hamas or Hezbollah and you know, according to the Russians, these are not terrorist organizations.

just a note

pre 8 godina

Americans gave, no tears from USA for our Eastern Orthodox Blood! When Roman Catholic Empire blood falls then the whole world cries! So not Islam, the root problem is Satan! Russia with God vs. USA with Satan!!!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 17 November 2015 15:05)
First:
The murder rape and torture was committed by the orthodox and not against.
Second:
All you would have had to do is stop your campaign of terror and no orthodox blood would have been spilled.

Today still you want sympathy because of the monsters you were??
There cannot be a tragedy anywhere in the world but you try to turn it into a campaign against the serbian orthodox. The world needs to finally put the Serbian Orthodox Church in the category it belongs, with the most heinous terrorist of all times.
OSOS lives today

Ataman

pre 8 godina

Nope, it must not continue, but Russian military work in Syria should be redirected primarily against ISIS instead of bombing any group that opposes Assad, with ISIS being near the bottom of the list.
(Comm. Parrisson, 17 November 2015 14:18)

Starting with Saudi royal family supporting ISIS and ending with Assad I just can't pick anyone there (except Israel, of course) who does not deserve to be near the bottom of a large radioactive crater.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 8 godina

The Root Problem? Who Created Financed, Motovated and Mobilzed all terrorist organizations in the world? When Slavic Christian Eastern Orthodox people are raped, tortured, murdered and their homes, lands and personal propety stolen then the USA and it's puppet the International Community turns a blind eye! Just regarding this horrific Satanic act, check out the comments Americans gave, no tears from USA for our Eastern Orthodox Blood! When Roman Catholic Empire blood falls then the whole world cries! So not Islam, the root problem is Satan! Russia with God vs. USA with Satan!!!

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

“Our military work in Syria must not only continue. It must be strengthened in such a way so that the terrorists will understand that retribution is inevitable,” he said, and asked the Foreign Ministry to call on Russia's to assist in the search for the terrorists behind the attack, RT is reporting.

Nope, it must not continue, but Russian military work in Syria should be redirected primarily against ISIS instead of bombing any group that opposes Assad, with ISIS being near the bottom of the list.

Ataman

pre 8 godina

After this and Paris two words come in my mind: нож, жича.
But a large, radioactive crater is better because it is faster + cheaper to do.

rote

pre 8 godina

With 85 000 tourist hostages in the region Russia simply could not admit the evident before the evacuation was finished. What is bad half of the Russian tourists went to Turkey that is nothing better from security point of view.

rote

pre 8 godina

With 85 000 tourist hostages in the region Russia simply could not admit the evident before the evacuation was finished. What is bad half of the Russian tourists went to Turkey that is nothing better from security point of view.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 8 godina

The Root Problem? Who Created Financed, Motovated and Mobilzed all terrorist organizations in the world? When Slavic Christian Eastern Orthodox people are raped, tortured, murdered and their homes, lands and personal propety stolen then the USA and it's puppet the International Community turns a blind eye! Just regarding this horrific Satanic act, check out the comments Americans gave, no tears from USA for our Eastern Orthodox Blood! When Roman Catholic Empire blood falls then the whole world cries! So not Islam, the root problem is Satan! Russia with God vs. USA with Satan!!!

Ataman

pre 8 godina

Nope, it must not continue, but Russian military work in Syria should be redirected primarily against ISIS instead of bombing any group that opposes Assad, with ISIS being near the bottom of the list.
(Comm. Parrisson, 17 November 2015 14:18)

Starting with Saudi royal family supporting ISIS and ending with Assad I just can't pick anyone there (except Israel, of course) who does not deserve to be near the bottom of a large radioactive crater.

just a note

pre 8 godina

Americans gave, no tears from USA for our Eastern Orthodox Blood! When Roman Catholic Empire blood falls then the whole world cries! So not Islam, the root problem is Satan! Russia with God vs. USA with Satan!!!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 17 November 2015 15:05)
First:
The murder rape and torture was committed by the orthodox and not against.
Second:
All you would have had to do is stop your campaign of terror and no orthodox blood would have been spilled.

Today still you want sympathy because of the monsters you were??
There cannot be a tragedy anywhere in the world but you try to turn it into a campaign against the serbian orthodox. The world needs to finally put the Serbian Orthodox Church in the category it belongs, with the most heinous terrorist of all times.
OSOS lives today

Ataman

pre 8 godina

After this and Paris two words come in my mind: нож, жича.
But a large, radioactive crater is better because it is faster + cheaper to do.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

“Our military work in Syria must not only continue. It must be strengthened in such a way so that the terrorists will understand that retribution is inevitable,” he said, and asked the Foreign Ministry to call on Russia's to assist in the search for the terrorists behind the attack, RT is reporting.

Nope, it must not continue, but Russian military work in Syria should be redirected primarily against ISIS instead of bombing any group that opposes Assad, with ISIS being near the bottom of the list.

Paul

pre 8 godina

Why the late report? Maybe the Russians were confused. Maybe the only possible candidates for doing the deed were Hamas or Hezbollah and you know, according to the Russians, these are not terrorist organizations.

sj

pre 8 godina

Why the late report? Maybe the Russians were confused. Maybe the only possible candidates for doing the deed were Hamas or Hezbollah and you know, according to the Russians, these are not terrorist organizations.
(Paul, 17 November 2015 21:38)

Investigations involving any type of disaster takes time to provide evidence. Western media were fed by western intelligence sources and headlines such as “Terrorists down Russian plane” came out within a couple of days. It’s all to do with we are smarter. They did not know the cause they were just guessing.
That particular aircraft was owned by a German company and leased to Metrojet. In 2012, the airplane had a bad very landing at Cairo Airport where the tail section hit the tarmac and the initial suspicion was that this part had broken off mid-flight as a result of that landing.
No Hamas or Hezbollah did not do that. It was ISIS were they have about 1200 Albanians in their ranks. The real problem is Egyptian security is total crap.

Ataman

pre 8 godina

Why the late report? Maybe the Russians were confused. Maybe the only possible candidates for doing the deed were Hamas or Hezbollah and you know, according to the Russians, these are not terrorist organizations.
(Paul, 17 November 2015 21:38)

1) There were tens of thousands of Russian tourists in the area. And about twice as much Brits. It took some time to evacuate them and the last thing what was desired was a panic.

To tell the truth... the majority of Russians and Brits tourists there are simple working people, very easy to scare. We are not talking about Nobel Prize candidates. The prices are such, that an extensive holiday in E.U. or in Russia does costs more than in Egypt.

The entire evacuation was done in both UK and RU quietly, see the reason above.

2) Until traces of explosive are found, all clues from FBI or FSB are just clues. It is better to assume mechanical failure.

3) A loud tam-tam beating could scare the criminals and they may remove certain traces. Luckily, as much as we may laugh at cops, the criminals are usually more stupid than the cops. BTW: that's why they are criminals.

ida

pre 8 godina

Wish they'd give more details, such as any residue formulation that points to a bomb and which type it was. And what about the black box and voice recordings - what does that indicate was going on?

Most importantly: what's Russia going to do about it?

icj1

pre 8 godina

2) Until traces of explosive are found, all clues from FBI or FSB are just clues. It is better to assume mechanical failure.
(Ataman, 18 November 2015 15:34)

Now, I get it that God Vlad can never ever be wrong... but come on some common sense. The British and the Americans (even though they are the evil on Earth according to the most patriotic of Serbs and Russians) provided to Russia credible evidence that it was a terrorist act. God Vlad decided initially that it was better to risk the lives of more Russians than give the impression that the Americans and British had better capabilities than Russia to determine what happened, even without being at the scene. And then, common sense finally prevailed on him, as well, even before the physical evidence pointed to a terrorist act, too.

To wait for 100% certainty before taking measures against potential terrorist acts is simply idiotic. Traces of explosive are not the only way to establish that a bomb exploded.

Russia (even though not necessarily God Vlad) had much more to lose by assuming a mechanical failure vs taking action based on credible evidence that it was a terrorist act.

icj1

pre 8 godina

2) Until traces of explosive are found, all clues from FBI or FSB are just clues. It is better to assume mechanical failure.
(Ataman, 18 November 2015 15:34)

Now, I get it that God Vlad can never ever be wrong... but come on some common sense. The British and the Americans (even though they are the evil on Earth according to the most patriotic of Serbs and Russians) provided to Russia credible evidence that it was a terrorist act. God Vlad decided initially that it was better to risk the lives of more Russians than give the impression that the Americans and British had better capabilities than Russia to determine what happened, even without being at the scene. And then, common sense finally prevailed on him, as well, even before the physical evidence pointed to a terrorist act, too.

To wait for 100% certainty before taking measures against potential terrorist acts is simply idiotic. Traces of explosive are not the only way to establish that a bomb exploded.

Russia (even though not necessarily God Vlad) had much more to lose by assuming a mechanical failure vs taking action based on credible evidence that it was a terrorist act.

Ataman

pre 8 godina

icj1,

as far as I know, the evacuation was done quietly and fast. I cannot comment regarding risking the lives because the entire low-cost tourist flow was re-directed to Turkey - which is only marginally safer.

Have no idea, who is God Vlad. Probably related to blood-thirsty Aztec Snake-Pigeon God Quetzalcoatl devouring human organs?

Looks like Quetzal and Vlad are indeed not very far from each other... Hell is their final destination.

icj1

pre 8 godina

icj1,

as far as I know, the evacuation was done quietly and fast. I cannot comment regarding risking the lives because the entire low-cost tourist flow was re-directed to Turkey - which is only marginally safer.
(Ataman, 20 November 2015 11:08)

So, they knew it was a terrorist act even before finding trace of explosive. But you said "Until traces of explosive are found, all clues from FBI or FSB are just clues. It is better to assume mechanical failure"!!!!

Mate, at least, make sure to correctly regurgitate the instructions from the Kremlin on how to spin the story...

just a note

pre 8 godina

Americans gave, no tears from USA for our Eastern Orthodox Blood! When Roman Catholic Empire blood falls then the whole world cries! So not Islam, the root problem is Satan! Russia with God vs. USA with Satan!!!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 17 November 2015 15:05)
First:
The murder rape and torture was committed by the orthodox and not against.
Second:
All you would have had to do is stop your campaign of terror and no orthodox blood would have been spilled.

Today still you want sympathy because of the monsters you were??
There cannot be a tragedy anywhere in the world but you try to turn it into a campaign against the serbian orthodox. The world needs to finally put the Serbian Orthodox Church in the category it belongs, with the most heinous terrorist of all times.
OSOS lives today

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 8 godina

The Root Problem? Who Created Financed, Motovated and Mobilzed all terrorist organizations in the world? When Slavic Christian Eastern Orthodox people are raped, tortured, murdered and their homes, lands and personal propety stolen then the USA and it's puppet the International Community turns a blind eye! Just regarding this horrific Satanic act, check out the comments Americans gave, no tears from USA for our Eastern Orthodox Blood! When Roman Catholic Empire blood falls then the whole world cries! So not Islam, the root problem is Satan! Russia with God vs. USA with Satan!!!

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

“Our military work in Syria must not only continue. It must be strengthened in such a way so that the terrorists will understand that retribution is inevitable,” he said, and asked the Foreign Ministry to call on Russia's to assist in the search for the terrorists behind the attack, RT is reporting.

Nope, it must not continue, but Russian military work in Syria should be redirected primarily against ISIS instead of bombing any group that opposes Assad, with ISIS being near the bottom of the list.

Ataman

pre 8 godina

Nope, it must not continue, but Russian military work in Syria should be redirected primarily against ISIS instead of bombing any group that opposes Assad, with ISIS being near the bottom of the list.
(Comm. Parrisson, 17 November 2015 14:18)

Starting with Saudi royal family supporting ISIS and ending with Assad I just can't pick anyone there (except Israel, of course) who does not deserve to be near the bottom of a large radioactive crater.

Paul

pre 8 godina

Why the late report? Maybe the Russians were confused. Maybe the only possible candidates for doing the deed were Hamas or Hezbollah and you know, according to the Russians, these are not terrorist organizations.

Ataman

pre 8 godina

After this and Paris two words come in my mind: нож, жича.
But a large, radioactive crater is better because it is faster + cheaper to do.

ida

pre 8 godina

Wish they'd give more details, such as any residue formulation that points to a bomb and which type it was. And what about the black box and voice recordings - what does that indicate was going on?

Most importantly: what's Russia going to do about it?

sj

pre 8 godina

Why the late report? Maybe the Russians were confused. Maybe the only possible candidates for doing the deed were Hamas or Hezbollah and you know, according to the Russians, these are not terrorist organizations.
(Paul, 17 November 2015 21:38)

Investigations involving any type of disaster takes time to provide evidence. Western media were fed by western intelligence sources and headlines such as “Terrorists down Russian plane” came out within a couple of days. It’s all to do with we are smarter. They did not know the cause they were just guessing.
That particular aircraft was owned by a German company and leased to Metrojet. In 2012, the airplane had a bad very landing at Cairo Airport where the tail section hit the tarmac and the initial suspicion was that this part had broken off mid-flight as a result of that landing.
No Hamas or Hezbollah did not do that. It was ISIS were they have about 1200 Albanians in their ranks. The real problem is Egyptian security is total crap.

icj1

pre 8 godina

2) Until traces of explosive are found, all clues from FBI or FSB are just clues. It is better to assume mechanical failure.
(Ataman, 18 November 2015 15:34)

Now, I get it that God Vlad can never ever be wrong... but come on some common sense. The British and the Americans (even though they are the evil on Earth according to the most patriotic of Serbs and Russians) provided to Russia credible evidence that it was a terrorist act. God Vlad decided initially that it was better to risk the lives of more Russians than give the impression that the Americans and British had better capabilities than Russia to determine what happened, even without being at the scene. And then, common sense finally prevailed on him, as well, even before the physical evidence pointed to a terrorist act, too.

To wait for 100% certainty before taking measures against potential terrorist acts is simply idiotic. Traces of explosive are not the only way to establish that a bomb exploded.

Russia (even though not necessarily God Vlad) had much more to lose by assuming a mechanical failure vs taking action based on credible evidence that it was a terrorist act.

icj1

pre 8 godina

2) Until traces of explosive are found, all clues from FBI or FSB are just clues. It is better to assume mechanical failure.
(Ataman, 18 November 2015 15:34)

Now, I get it that God Vlad can never ever be wrong... but come on some common sense. The British and the Americans (even though they are the evil on Earth according to the most patriotic of Serbs and Russians) provided to Russia credible evidence that it was a terrorist act. God Vlad decided initially that it was better to risk the lives of more Russians than give the impression that the Americans and British had better capabilities than Russia to determine what happened, even without being at the scene. And then, common sense finally prevailed on him, as well, even before the physical evidence pointed to a terrorist act, too.

To wait for 100% certainty before taking measures against potential terrorist acts is simply idiotic. Traces of explosive are not the only way to establish that a bomb exploded.

Russia (even though not necessarily God Vlad) had much more to lose by assuming a mechanical failure vs taking action based on credible evidence that it was a terrorist act.

rote

pre 8 godina

With 85 000 tourist hostages in the region Russia simply could not admit the evident before the evacuation was finished. What is bad half of the Russian tourists went to Turkey that is nothing better from security point of view.

Ataman

pre 8 godina

Why the late report? Maybe the Russians were confused. Maybe the only possible candidates for doing the deed were Hamas or Hezbollah and you know, according to the Russians, these are not terrorist organizations.
(Paul, 17 November 2015 21:38)

1) There were tens of thousands of Russian tourists in the area. And about twice as much Brits. It took some time to evacuate them and the last thing what was desired was a panic.

To tell the truth... the majority of Russians and Brits tourists there are simple working people, very easy to scare. We are not talking about Nobel Prize candidates. The prices are such, that an extensive holiday in E.U. or in Russia does costs more than in Egypt.

The entire evacuation was done in both UK and RU quietly, see the reason above.

2) Until traces of explosive are found, all clues from FBI or FSB are just clues. It is better to assume mechanical failure.

3) A loud tam-tam beating could scare the criminals and they may remove certain traces. Luckily, as much as we may laugh at cops, the criminals are usually more stupid than the cops. BTW: that's why they are criminals.

Ataman

pre 8 godina

icj1,

as far as I know, the evacuation was done quietly and fast. I cannot comment regarding risking the lives because the entire low-cost tourist flow was re-directed to Turkey - which is only marginally safer.

Have no idea, who is God Vlad. Probably related to blood-thirsty Aztec Snake-Pigeon God Quetzalcoatl devouring human organs?

Looks like Quetzal and Vlad are indeed not very far from each other... Hell is their final destination.

icj1

pre 8 godina

icj1,

as far as I know, the evacuation was done quietly and fast. I cannot comment regarding risking the lives because the entire low-cost tourist flow was re-directed to Turkey - which is only marginally safer.
(Ataman, 20 November 2015 11:08)

So, they knew it was a terrorist act even before finding trace of explosive. But you said "Until traces of explosive are found, all clues from FBI or FSB are just clues. It is better to assume mechanical failure"!!!!

Mate, at least, make sure to correctly regurgitate the instructions from the Kremlin on how to spin the story...