Argument in favor of Pristina's membership "false" - FM
The argument that Serbian heritage will be "best protected if Kosovo becomes a member of UNESCO" is a false one, made by those "pushing Kosovo to UNESCO."
AlbanianOrthodox : In 1426 Gjon Kastrioti, an Albanian lord, and his three sons (one of whom was Skanderbeg)... and from the church of Saint Mary, which was in one of them
Who the hell told you that a man like Skanderg could be a Shqiptar? Even the official biography of his runs that he had Slavic parents with Slav names and all his 9 children also had Slav names. To say nothing that his own name (Iskander ul Ahad + Bek) is a composition of two names of Tamerlane. It is also amusing to read how the Shqiptar hero with his 300 buffalos fought Mehmet II whose second name was Fatih i.e. the Conqueror … I think it would be wise of you to never interprete this Skanderbeg fairy tale to other languages. Just not to look clowns in our eyes. Also read thoroughly what is said in his story to see the multiple contradictions. He was captured by the “turks” (Russians, Bulgarians, Macedonians and Serbs) , was grown up there, taught to fight. Then he accepted Islam (that appeared 100 years later) and betrayed the “turks” who were very kind to him, he run away and become a Christian again ect. ect. Do you really believe in all that ? OK let’s talk about it to amuse the folks around. Let’s also talk about the versions of the shqiptar’s identity. Don’t use word Albanian because Albanians (The Whites) were Russians from the White Horde. Besides churches and monasteries were all free of any taxes !
Albanian ortodox, it seems that your theft of serbian medieval churches wont stop with those churches in Kosmet. You are now targeting serbian medieval monastery of Hilandar. Since you dont have your own history lets take from Serbs. So that is what you did with Serb monasteries in old serb capital Skadar and in Albania too. Serb kings are declared as Abanian etc. Hilandar is known for 800 years by who was bulit and when and now you are trying to make it dubious with albanian chauvinistic propaganda. We and Albanians were never together in any joint enterprise whatsoever. Serbs ruled over you and you prospered back then. Thanks to Serb emperor Stefan Dusan you had settled northern Greece(Epirus). That is only enterprise when we were together. Stanisa(Skenderbeg) was partially Serb, yes as many albanian nobelty too and in that time Serb language was offical language among albanian gentleman. It comes on my mind one thought of Nikola Tesla: I am not sorry because someone is taking my ideas, but because he dosent have his own.
@ Yugoslavia
Yes, it's in Latin: Stefan Nemanja, Rex Albaneses.(King of Albanians, NOT SERBS)
Dushan:
In 1343, his title was "King of Serbia, Greeks, Albania and the coast". On April 16, 1346, he was crowned Emperor of Serbs and Greeks. This title was soon enlarged into "Emperor and Autocrat of the Serbs and Greeks, the Bulgarians and Albanians"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Du%C5%A1an
Hilandar:
"At the end of the 15th century, the Russian pilgrim Isaiah tells us that nearly half the monasteries (in Mount Athos) are Slav or Albanian."
In 1426 Gjon Kastrioti, an Albanian lord, and his three sons (one of whom was Skanderbeg) donated the right to the proceeds from taxes collected from the two villages of Rostuša and Trebište (in Macedonia) and from the church of Saint Mary, which was in one of them, to the Hilandar where his son Reposh retired and died on 25 July 1431: in his honor the Tower of St. George of Hilandar was known as the "Albanian tower" (Serbian: Arbanaški pirg).[5][6] By the end of the 15h century according to the Russian pilgrim Isaiah, the monastery was Serb.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilandar#cite_note-Bakalopulos1973-7
It's possible that the Hilandar Monastery started as Albanian, or as a joint Serb-Albanian project that eventually Serbs took over. One thing is sure: Medieval Serbia was not an "ethnically pure" state.
Of course it is a fact because it is based on UN documents.
(icj1, 6 November 2015 20:53)
What UN documents liar? Go back to your coloring books "mate"
(Jugoslavija, 8 November 2015 06:34)
Oh dear, somebody is loosing it :)
See Security Council document S/2007/395 of 29 June 2007:
"As of 2 April, the Police Task Force, established in April 2006 to investigate March 2004 cases (a Contact Group priority), had investigated 1,526 cases, of which 754 were under review, 177 remained open, 315 were closed, 120 were under active investigation and 160 were being investigated by the Kosovo Police Service (KPS).
International prosecutors have indicted 36 people for the most serious March riot-related offences, resulting in 26 convictions and one acquittal. Nine defendants in three cases are awaiting trial. Local prosecutors have brought over 300 criminal charges resulting in 142 convictions, with another 22 persons currently under investigation"
The above is called evidence, dear Mr. Liar - but don't worry I don't expect you to accept or understand documentary evidence since that is stuff that is alien to you. The only thing you understand are myths or stuff that you sell as being "true" just because you say so!
Please do not group all Christians (which by the way should always be capitalized) with those extremist that think that murder, rape, torture of innocent women and children is a Godly act. It was Christian nations that bombed you to stop your nonChristian acts. The majority of countries recognizing Kosovo are majority Christian.
It might be wise to find out if God really approved what you have done on earth or you can take a chance and find out in the afterlife.
(A true Christian, 8 November 2015 14:28)
An apostate "Christian" confused with NATO with the barbaric act of bombing Serbia and Kosovo during the Easter Holidays. http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1999-04-10/news/9904100232_1_orthodox-christians-orthodox-church-nato-bombing
This will be Very much appreciated by all christians around the world... Thank you once again and God bless you...
(Nikola Novakovic, 7 November 2015 13:57)
Please do not group all Christians (which by the way should always be capitalized) with those extremist that think that murder, rape, torture of innocent women and children is a Godly act. It was Christian nations that bombed you to stop your nonChristian acts. The majority of countries recognizing Kosovo are majority Christian.
It might be wise to find out if God really approved what you have done on earth or you can take a chance and find out in the afterlife.
On Nemanja's grave it's written "Stefan Nemanja, King of Albanians". Stefan Dushan called himself king of Serbs, Albanians and Greeks." (Albanian Orthodox)
Utterly False. Stephan Nemenja's tomb is in Studenica Monastery in Serbia, a UNESCO site. There is no encryption of "King of Albanians". Later in history, Tsar Stephan Dusan as crowned King of Serbs and Greeks in Skopje but never was "Albania" included in his title. Rasca and Zeta are the two founding branches of Serbia in present day Kosovo and Metohija and Montenegro. (AlbanianOrthodox, 7 November 2015 22:32) Stephan Nemenja later built the Serbian Orthodox Monastery Hilander in Mount Athos
Albanians who attacked the churches in 2004 saw them as a symbol of Serbia. They were brainwashed from the same Milosevic propaganda that told them Orthodoxy can only be Serbian. (Albanian Orthodox)
Brainwashing? No Orthodox church condones the destruction of Orthodox holy sites whatever the political discourse including the Albanian Orthodox Church and Archbishop Anastasios who has led the church out of the dark ages. (AlbanianOrthodox, 7 November 2015 22:32)
Most of the churches in Kosovo were built at a time when Kosovo was a mixture of Albanians and Serbs. You are all brainwashed from nationalist propaganda.
Medieval Serbia was not what Milosevic made you believe. On Nemanja's grave it's written "Stefan Nemanja, King of Albanians". Stefan Dushan called himself king of Serbs, Albanians and Greeks. Many of the ruling families of Serbia at the time had Albanian blood. Saint Angjelina of Serbia was 100% Albanian. A good part of the medieval rulers Brankovic were partially Albanian or Slavicized Albanians. Many Serbs from Kosovo and Southern Serbia have Illyrian ancestry from the Triballian tribes. Many of them were Slavicized through the Slavic church after the Ottoman invasion when many Albanians converted to Islam.
Every Albanian Muslim knows that his ancestors were Orthodox or Catholic. The medieval churches and monasteries in Kosovo are part of our ancestry as well as yours. Serbia cannot protect them, but Albanians can. The more you provoke Albanians the more you fuel radicalism against you and against the churches. Albanians who attacked the churches in 2004 saw them as a symbol of Serbia. They were brainwashed from the same Milosevic propaganda that told them Orthodoxy can only be Serbian. No nationality can own a certain religion. Albanians have a lot of Orthodox heritage themselves and Kosovo Albanians will accept the churches as part of their history.
The jihadist Albanians and the story of David Hicks... A foreign fighter...
Mr Hicks fought with the Islamist Kosovo Liberation Army against Serbian forces in 1999, trained with terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba in Pakistan and joined al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, court documents have shown.
He had extensive terrorist training in Islamist military camps and learned to operate high-powered sniper rifles and shoulder-mounted anti-aircraft missiles.
After the September 11 attacks, Mr Hicks returned to Afghanistan to take up arms and fight alongside the Taliban and al-Qaeda against the US and its allies, including Australia.
It was there that he was captured among Taliban forces guarding a tank and handed over to the US, who detained him at the Guantánamo Bay naval base in Cuba.
Now this is just one out of thousands of foreign Islamist fighters which were helping the Islamist Albanians in their terror campaign against the Serbs...
Would you really vote yes for Kosovo unesco?... If so, your voting for fanatical Islamists...
i suggests everyone contact their member of parliament and make sure they make the right decision, which is NO to KOSOVO UNESCO...
This will be Very much appreciated by all christians around the world... Thank you once again and God bless you...
The truth is, Kosovo religious institutions are already under UNESCO as Kosovo being Serbia's southern province. The international forces earlier in the past decade did not enforce protection of the institutions in order to Balkanize the former Yugoslav.
Well, hundreds of people who rioted in 2004 were prosecuted and many dozens were convicted, so I have not idea what you're talking about.
(icj1, 6 November 2015 14:33)
Where is the proof? Is that a fact?
(Jugolavija, 6 November 2015 17:13)
Of course it is a fact because it is based on UN documents.
You are so predictable mate. My post was intended for you and you fell for it, exactly as expected :) What did you think that I'm like you who makes statements and then is scandalized when somebody asks for evidence supporting them?
I first find the facts mate and then make a post here, not the other way around like you try to do.
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Nobody has any idea what you are talking about Idiot.
(Jugolavija, 6 November 2015 17:13)
Hey mate, there is no need to loose it. It's not my fault why you get caught lying. Just research the facts before posting here.
So, first of all, you have not been appointed to speak for everybody, so I take it that "nobody" means a certain "Jugoslavija". And, yes, I totally agree that you have no idea what I'm talking about because statements based on documentary evidence and facts are alien to you.
Kosovo must not allowed to join UNESCO because Albanians are "islamic terrorists". - this is Dacic`s point.
Sorry, to disturb your "Defenders of European Christianity Civilisation" status but... in Albania there are FOUR major religions: Muslim Sunni, Muslim Bektasi, Catholics and Orthodox. They have lived in peace and harmony for centuries.
Of course, Muslim are majority. But if a Muslim, Albanian or not, dares to insult a Catholic/Orthodox Albanian the Muslim Albanians will be ALWAYS side by side with the Catholic/Orthodox Albanian. Because WE ARE BROTHERS!
Serbs, Croats and Bosnians are ethnically the same. And they have killed each other any time they could, just because they have different religions.
Sorry, but RELIGOUS WARS are not part of Christianity and European Civilisation since 17th Century.
Albanians have never fought for religous causes. And they will never will.
Yes, you could use those 2004 footage anytime you wish, and you do the right thing. But Albanians are ashamed of those footage, and this is reason why 2004 will never happen again.
Serbs have done much more wrong deeds to other people but many Serbs are still proud of those Fascists leaders.
Yes, fighting against Fascists in WII doesn`t exclude you from being the Fascist in the next war.
"Well, hundreds of people who rioted in 2004 were prosecuted and many dozens were convicted, so I have not idea what you're talking about. (icj1, 6 November 2015 14:33)
Yes? Then you probably will tell me what the usual penalty has been they were convicted to. One year of prison, and compensation for the damage they caused, or more like 50€ to pay to Thaci, and 5 hours social works, or one week of probation?
what complicity are you on about? is this some sort of namby pamby we-are-all-to-blame sort of nonsense? are others complicit in the rise of Hitler or only ghe Germans?
When the head of the Serbian church calls for war against Albanians, I'm surprised there are still any buildings owned by the Serb church still standing in Kosova. What institution calls for war continuously, engages in war, actively engages in xenophobic politics against a specific ethnic group (Albanians) and its assets still stand? Would Sesejl party expect a branch of his political party to have his assets protected in Prishtina? Because the Serb Ayatollahs have beards and black clothes, that doesn't give them the right to call for war and expect their assets not to be touched. Not when they're more extreme and violent in their speech than extremist Serbian political parties. That's not how this works. You talk $h!t and $h!t will happen to you, no matter if you have a beard and wear black clothes.$h!t will hit the fan if you use God as a tool to call for murder, rape, destruction and sorrow. It will be even worse if you're the head of the Serb church and call for such evil, in the name of God.
"Instead Kosovo, in the presence of international forces, destroyed or damaged more than 200 churches, monasteries and other religious sites, more than 10,000 icons have been removed, stolen, even headstones are torn down. And we're supposed to believe there will be better protection, while at the same time religious calendars are printed presenting our (Serbian Orthodox) churches and monasteries as Albanian," Dacic said.
If your argument is valid than the serbian argument that Kosovo should be part of Serbia is also false. Because under serbian occupation ten thousand Albanians were killed and our cities and villages were destroyed. And we are supposed to believe that if Kosovo becomes part of Serbia again there will be better protection for Albanians. Delusional Serbs.
Well, hundreds of people who rioted in 2004 were prosecuted and many dozens were convicted, so I have not idea what you're talking about.
(icj1, 6 November 2015 14:33)
Where is the proof? Is that a fact? Nobody has any idea what you are talking about Idiot.
Please stop with this muslim terrorist shit. The south of kosovo has many catholics, like myself. We never had problems based on religion. The riots in 2004 was against Serbia as a nation not against the religion.
(Amanaparts, 6 November 2015 11:44)
Sorry, the Serbian Church was first under pressure from Tito after taking power in 1946 which later was eased, but pressure increased from the Albanian majority in Kosovo increasing in voracity between 1980-1992. Over 156 Serbian Orthodox churches have been desecrated not just 2004. Not only have Churches been desecrated, but grave sites as well which shows the depravity and barbarity of the Albanians and it's KLA proxies. Even the Nazi's and Ottomans and barbarians before them did not stoop to the level to desecrate graves.
Firt of, your story is not true but I`m not even getting into this. This history this and history that is getting old on both sides. Frankly I`m tired to talk to any of you biased folks about history. Fact is: There was war. Fact is: HOrrible things happend during the war, making it almost impossible for these two nations to live together. Fact is: Over 120 Countries have recognised Kosova`s independency.
Ya`ll can talk about what happend 40, 100, 1000 or 2000 yrs. ago and yet here we are. Kosovo is independent and serbia is grabbing every remaining straw. Misusing Kosovo to blind its own people from the real problems.
...No one is buying it, personally I am not in favor of Kosovo joining UNESCO, they should remove the serbian churches before they join in. I agree with that completely.
(Alban8an-Catholic, 6 November 2015 12:10...
According to Ahtisaari Plan,those monestaries are property of Serbian Orthodox Church.
I agree with you that Serbia had to make a deal with Albanians about those churches in return Serbia would have supported the membership of Kosovo, which I am sure Albanians would have accepted.
The real problem are not churches in Kosovo which have been there for 1000 years and nobody have touched them.
The real problem is that Serbia sees this move as threat because it affirms Kosovo statehood and the next step will be allowing Kosovo become an UN member.
As usual Serbia started its dirty propaganda against Albanians, instead talking to them and cutting a deal.
Now that they are seeing that Kosovo has the votes, they are putting the lunatic of Pec to threat for another 300 thousands people to die, because you know he has no kids and he doesn't understand how terrible is to lose kids in an unnecessary war.
Just watch the crowd in Belgrade and the crowd in Elbasan Arena and is easily to draw a conclusions who is uncivilized.
I am Orthodox Albanian myself and I am totally against the claims for war from the lunatic of Pec.
For all those that do not know the Albanians... Here is truth...
Serbia had given autonomy to the Kosovo Albanian Muslims, and for all those that do not know, Kosovo Albanians are mostly Muslim, 98% of them... And yes, Osama bin laden, the head of al queda visited Kosovo Albanians and personally trained many of them in terrorist camps in Kosovo and in Afghanistan...
The Kosovo Muslim Albanians created a terrorist group called the KLA (uck), which subsequently made it to the top 10 terrorist organisations in the world (according to the CIA) prior to 1999... Please research on the CIA website and type into their search bar three letters... KLA... You will see that the Muslim Albanians are terrorists...
Anyway, the Muslim Albanians were not happy with autonomy in Kosovo, they wanted their own country, but where could they find a country? Well they had to make a country, so they terrorised The Serbs, killed their children, shot Serbian children in the streets, threw grenades in Serbian schools, run over Serbian children which were walking to school, killed police, killed the elderly, raped women and all the things which muslims do when they fight a jihad...
And yes, burn churches... There is many videos showing their jihadists ways, they are no different to Osama bin laden, ISIS and al queda... Absolutely no difference...
So the Serbs fled their homeland in Kosovo and have yet to return... (No Kosovo unesco.com) explains everything..
Kosovo/KPS only failed to protect the monasteries and, usually, miserably fails find the culprits, and Kosovo justice, in the rare cases someone was arrested, fails to punish the perpetrators
(Comm. Parriss, 6 November 2015 12:53)
Well, hundreds of people who rioted in 2004 were prosecuted and many dozens were convicted, so I have not idea what you're talking about. Just because you or Serb news agencies choose to not see or report something, it does not mean that something did not happen!
The real cause of what happened in Yugoslavia is not Usa or Germany for him is always a foreign cause or others the most funny is what he think about what hahppened when Serbia was under Turks 500 years . The real cause of breakup of Yugoslavia => not the Americans , not the Germans , there were economical problems + unemployment and then the SLAVS got WILD with nationalism . Usa Germany couldn`t do nothing if people not were WILD . Take a Nikola Novakovic from Serbia , Take a Boban from Croatia , Take a Muslim Bosnian and KILL EACH OTHER at first problems !
I really don't understand Serbia's argument. Serbia was allowed to join UNESCO just over a year after Serbian military/paramilitary forces destroyed/damaged/looted over half of the Mosques in Kosova. Plus look at their track record of damaging and damaging cultural heritage in Bosnia and Croatia. Sure, some of the Serbian heritage was destroyed and damaged during the unrest in 2004, it was wrong and people should be punished but that was over 11 years ago and Kosova is a very different place now. If we're to go by Serbia's argument, then should Serbia be a member of UNESCO because of their actions to to destroy cultural heritage across the western Balkans in the 1990's?
Serbia doesn't care about the four Orthodox monasteries in Kosova, if they did, they wouldn't be opposed to Kosova's membership in UNESCO because UNESCO membership will make Kosova eligible for funds to safeguard, restore and maintain the four monasteries in Kosova. It would also give Kosova a greater obligation to protect the four monasteries. Instead Serbia is opposed to Kosova's membership for political reasons. They actively want to deprive Kosova of education, science and culture. Everything Serbia does with UNESCO is just political, they don't care about education, science or culture. If Serbia truly cared about Serbian heritage, then why haven't they designated the beautiful ancient Kalemegdan Fortress as a UNESCO world heritage site? Because they have nothing politically to gain from it.
Let us widen the lens of history just a bit to include the period of 1967-1985.
By your argument, the inability of Albanian leaders to stop the pressure, mobsterism, separatism, threats, and forceful push of Serbs out of Kosovo (documented by the NY Times during that period) should mean that they do not have the right to what you say.
You fail to acknowledge your complicityy in creating Milosevic.
"Instead Kosovo, in the presence of international forces, destroyed or damaged more than 200 churches, monasteries and other religious sites, more than 10,000 icons have been removed, stolen, even headstones are torn down. And we're supposed to believe there will be better protection, while at the same time religious calendars are printed presenting our (Serbian Orthodox) churches and monasteries as Albanian," Dacic said.
Wrong. Not Kosovo did it, but the Kosovo Albanian mob. Kosovo/KPS only failed to protect the monasteries and, usually, miserably fails find the culprits, and Kosovo justice, in the rare cases someone was arrested, fails to punish the perpetrators, not to mention the permanent downplaying of those crimes by Kosovo officials ('playing kids'), which surely is not helpful and only encourages the Albanian mob, thinking that their behavior is wanted, or at least tolerated and not persecuted.
All I have to say is that, majority of Muslim Albanians are not hiw serbia has portrayed them in general. Serbia had tried to add on religious issues, fact of the matter is that is not true at all. We albanian catholics certainly feel far more safer with Albanian muslims than Serbian orthodox. If this was truly the case, the west would have never supported the Albanians.
What got Serbs in trouble and bombed was not the destruction of serbian churches by Albanians. It was the torture, mass killing, raping, burning entire albanian villages to the ground.
These churches that were destroyed sure are on the accountability of Albanians in 2004. Serbia has destroyed their mosques ad well, our catholic churches too. Croatian churches have been decimated too, where does serbia get a free pass to judge others?
No one is buying it, personally I am not in favor of Kosovo joining UNESCO, they should remove the serbian churches before they join in. I agree with that completely.
Ok. Kosovo failed to protect them in 2004. You are right and this must not happen again. But lets have a closer look at your argumentation.
Based on your logic, Serbia would have to recognise Kosovos independence. After all Serbia failed to protect civilians during their fight against "terrorist" and was responsible for massacres and murder on the albanian people. Now, by your own logic, why should Kosovo return to Serbia if you are not able to guarantee for safety, education and prosperty in this region.
I agree 100% with you. Accepts independence of Kosovo and you keep the few churches that belonges to the orthodox church. No big deal.
Please stop with this muslim terrorist shit. The south of kosovo has many catholics, like myself. We never had problems based on religion. The riots in 2004 was against Serbia as a nation not against the religion.
The United Nations was established to prevent wars and to uphold international laws and agreements... but sadly this has not been the case as Serbia was bombed preemptively in 1999, thus sovereignty ceased to exist and it then set the precedent for Georgia and Ukraine and the future conflicts yet to come...
Now what happened to the United Nations after the kosovo precedent? It became a Frankenstein monster which we have no control over it anymore, it is no longer needed and Nations do not believe in it for the purpose for which it was created... the monster which was now created will turn on its creators and devour them... this is a karl marx quote on capitalism and so it can also be true for the united nations...
But this also goes for unesco as well... like Dacic said, if kosovo is accepted into unesco, it goes against all the values and principles of unesco. The historical and cultural buildings were not protect when NATO forces were suppoed to protect them, so how will unesco protect them by giving it to the people which destroyed it, the albanian Muslim's.... the albanian muslims are the fire which burnt the buildings, by giving it to the albanians you are just placing it back into the fire...
So if that happens, unesco to will be turned into a monster, it will set a precedent again and sadly the monster will turn against its creators... there will be no more unesco and therefore no more sights protected...
Ok. Kosovo failed to protect them in 2004. You are right and this must not happen again. But lets have a closer look at your argumentation.
Based on your logic, Serbia would have to recognise Kosovos independence. After all Serbia failed to protect civilians during their fight against "terrorist" and was responsible for massacres and murder on the albanian people. Now, by your own logic, why should Kosovo return to Serbia if you are not able to guarantee for safety, education and prosperty in this region.
I agree 100% with you. Accepts independence of Kosovo and you keep the few churches that belonges to the orthodox church. No big deal.
Please stop with this muslim terrorist shit. The south of kosovo has many catholics, like myself. We never had problems based on religion. The riots in 2004 was against Serbia as a nation not against the religion.
All I have to say is that, majority of Muslim Albanians are not hiw serbia has portrayed them in general. Serbia had tried to add on religious issues, fact of the matter is that is not true at all. We albanian catholics certainly feel far more safer with Albanian muslims than Serbian orthodox. If this was truly the case, the west would have never supported the Albanians.
What got Serbs in trouble and bombed was not the destruction of serbian churches by Albanians. It was the torture, mass killing, raping, burning entire albanian villages to the ground.
These churches that were destroyed sure are on the accountability of Albanians in 2004. Serbia has destroyed their mosques ad well, our catholic churches too. Croatian churches have been decimated too, where does serbia get a free pass to judge others?
No one is buying it, personally I am not in favor of Kosovo joining UNESCO, they should remove the serbian churches before they join in. I agree with that completely.
...No one is buying it, personally I am not in favor of Kosovo joining UNESCO, they should remove the serbian churches before they join in. I agree with that completely.
(Alban8an-Catholic, 6 November 2015 12:10...
According to Ahtisaari Plan,those monestaries are property of Serbian Orthodox Church.
I agree with you that Serbia had to make a deal with Albanians about those churches in return Serbia would have supported the membership of Kosovo, which I am sure Albanians would have accepted.
The real problem are not churches in Kosovo which have been there for 1000 years and nobody have touched them.
The real problem is that Serbia sees this move as threat because it affirms Kosovo statehood and the next step will be allowing Kosovo become an UN member.
As usual Serbia started its dirty propaganda against Albanians, instead talking to them and cutting a deal.
Now that they are seeing that Kosovo has the votes, they are putting the lunatic of Pec to threat for another 300 thousands people to die, because you know he has no kids and he doesn't understand how terrible is to lose kids in an unnecessary war.
Just watch the crowd in Belgrade and the crowd in Elbasan Arena and is easily to draw a conclusions who is uncivilized.
I am Orthodox Albanian myself and I am totally against the claims for war from the lunatic of Pec.
When the head of the Serbian church calls for war against Albanians, I'm surprised there are still any buildings owned by the Serb church still standing in Kosova. What institution calls for war continuously, engages in war, actively engages in xenophobic politics against a specific ethnic group (Albanians) and its assets still stand? Would Sesejl party expect a branch of his political party to have his assets protected in Prishtina? Because the Serb Ayatollahs have beards and black clothes, that doesn't give them the right to call for war and expect their assets not to be touched. Not when they're more extreme and violent in their speech than extremist Serbian political parties. That's not how this works. You talk $h!t and $h!t will happen to you, no matter if you have a beard and wear black clothes.$h!t will hit the fan if you use God as a tool to call for murder, rape, destruction and sorrow. It will be even worse if you're the head of the Serb church and call for such evil, in the name of God.
"Instead Kosovo, in the presence of international forces, destroyed or damaged more than 200 churches, monasteries and other religious sites, more than 10,000 icons have been removed, stolen, even headstones are torn down. And we're supposed to believe there will be better protection, while at the same time religious calendars are printed presenting our (Serbian Orthodox) churches and monasteries as Albanian," Dacic said.
If your argument is valid than the serbian argument that Kosovo should be part of Serbia is also false. Because under serbian occupation ten thousand Albanians were killed and our cities and villages were destroyed. And we are supposed to believe that if Kosovo becomes part of Serbia again there will be better protection for Albanians. Delusional Serbs.
The real cause of what happened in Yugoslavia is not Usa or Germany for him is always a foreign cause or others the most funny is what he think about what hahppened when Serbia was under Turks 500 years . The real cause of breakup of Yugoslavia => not the Americans , not the Germans , there were economical problems + unemployment and then the SLAVS got WILD with nationalism . Usa Germany couldn`t do nothing if people not were WILD . Take a Nikola Novakovic from Serbia , Take a Boban from Croatia , Take a Muslim Bosnian and KILL EACH OTHER at first problems !
I really don't understand Serbia's argument. Serbia was allowed to join UNESCO just over a year after Serbian military/paramilitary forces destroyed/damaged/looted over half of the Mosques in Kosova. Plus look at their track record of damaging and damaging cultural heritage in Bosnia and Croatia. Sure, some of the Serbian heritage was destroyed and damaged during the unrest in 2004, it was wrong and people should be punished but that was over 11 years ago and Kosova is a very different place now. If we're to go by Serbia's argument, then should Serbia be a member of UNESCO because of their actions to to destroy cultural heritage across the western Balkans in the 1990's?
Serbia doesn't care about the four Orthodox monasteries in Kosova, if they did, they wouldn't be opposed to Kosova's membership in UNESCO because UNESCO membership will make Kosova eligible for funds to safeguard, restore and maintain the four monasteries in Kosova. It would also give Kosova a greater obligation to protect the four monasteries. Instead Serbia is opposed to Kosova's membership for political reasons. They actively want to deprive Kosova of education, science and culture. Everything Serbia does with UNESCO is just political, they don't care about education, science or culture. If Serbia truly cared about Serbian heritage, then why haven't they designated the beautiful ancient Kalemegdan Fortress as a UNESCO world heritage site? Because they have nothing politically to gain from it.
Firt of, your story is not true but I`m not even getting into this. This history this and history that is getting old on both sides. Frankly I`m tired to talk to any of you biased folks about history. Fact is: There was war. Fact is: HOrrible things happend during the war, making it almost impossible for these two nations to live together. Fact is: Over 120 Countries have recognised Kosova`s independency.
Ya`ll can talk about what happend 40, 100, 1000 or 2000 yrs. ago and yet here we are. Kosovo is independent and serbia is grabbing every remaining straw. Misusing Kosovo to blind its own people from the real problems.
what complicity are you on about? is this some sort of namby pamby we-are-all-to-blame sort of nonsense? are others complicit in the rise of Hitler or only ghe Germans?
Most of the churches in Kosovo were built at a time when Kosovo was a mixture of Albanians and Serbs. You are all brainwashed from nationalist propaganda.
Medieval Serbia was not what Milosevic made you believe. On Nemanja's grave it's written "Stefan Nemanja, King of Albanians". Stefan Dushan called himself king of Serbs, Albanians and Greeks. Many of the ruling families of Serbia at the time had Albanian blood. Saint Angjelina of Serbia was 100% Albanian. A good part of the medieval rulers Brankovic were partially Albanian or Slavicized Albanians. Many Serbs from Kosovo and Southern Serbia have Illyrian ancestry from the Triballian tribes. Many of them were Slavicized through the Slavic church after the Ottoman invasion when many Albanians converted to Islam.
Every Albanian Muslim knows that his ancestors were Orthodox or Catholic. The medieval churches and monasteries in Kosovo are part of our ancestry as well as yours. Serbia cannot protect them, but Albanians can. The more you provoke Albanians the more you fuel radicalism against you and against the churches. Albanians who attacked the churches in 2004 saw them as a symbol of Serbia. They were brainwashed from the same Milosevic propaganda that told them Orthodoxy can only be Serbian. No nationality can own a certain religion. Albanians have a lot of Orthodox heritage themselves and Kosovo Albanians will accept the churches as part of their history.
The United Nations was established to prevent wars and to uphold international laws and agreements... but sadly this has not been the case as Serbia was bombed preemptively in 1999, thus sovereignty ceased to exist and it then set the precedent for Georgia and Ukraine and the future conflicts yet to come...
Now what happened to the United Nations after the kosovo precedent? It became a Frankenstein monster which we have no control over it anymore, it is no longer needed and Nations do not believe in it for the purpose for which it was created... the monster which was now created will turn on its creators and devour them... this is a karl marx quote on capitalism and so it can also be true for the united nations...
But this also goes for unesco as well... like Dacic said, if kosovo is accepted into unesco, it goes against all the values and principles of unesco. The historical and cultural buildings were not protect when NATO forces were suppoed to protect them, so how will unesco protect them by giving it to the people which destroyed it, the albanian Muslim's.... the albanian muslims are the fire which burnt the buildings, by giving it to the albanians you are just placing it back into the fire...
So if that happens, unesco to will be turned into a monster, it will set a precedent again and sadly the monster will turn against its creators... there will be no more unesco and therefore no more sights protected...
Kosovo must not allowed to join UNESCO because Albanians are "islamic terrorists". - this is Dacic`s point.
Sorry, to disturb your "Defenders of European Christianity Civilisation" status but... in Albania there are FOUR major religions: Muslim Sunni, Muslim Bektasi, Catholics and Orthodox. They have lived in peace and harmony for centuries.
Of course, Muslim are majority. But if a Muslim, Albanian or not, dares to insult a Catholic/Orthodox Albanian the Muslim Albanians will be ALWAYS side by side with the Catholic/Orthodox Albanian. Because WE ARE BROTHERS!
Serbs, Croats and Bosnians are ethnically the same. And they have killed each other any time they could, just because they have different religions.
Sorry, but RELIGOUS WARS are not part of Christianity and European Civilisation since 17th Century.
Albanians have never fought for religous causes. And they will never will.
Yes, you could use those 2004 footage anytime you wish, and you do the right thing. But Albanians are ashamed of those footage, and this is reason why 2004 will never happen again.
Serbs have done much more wrong deeds to other people but many Serbs are still proud of those Fascists leaders.
Yes, fighting against Fascists in WII doesn`t exclude you from being the Fascist in the next war.
Kosovo/KPS only failed to protect the monasteries and, usually, miserably fails find the culprits, and Kosovo justice, in the rare cases someone was arrested, fails to punish the perpetrators
(Comm. Parriss, 6 November 2015 12:53)
Well, hundreds of people who rioted in 2004 were prosecuted and many dozens were convicted, so I have not idea what you're talking about. Just because you or Serb news agencies choose to not see or report something, it does not mean that something did not happen!
For all those that do not know the Albanians... Here is truth...
Serbia had given autonomy to the Kosovo Albanian Muslims, and for all those that do not know, Kosovo Albanians are mostly Muslim, 98% of them... And yes, Osama bin laden, the head of al queda visited Kosovo Albanians and personally trained many of them in terrorist camps in Kosovo and in Afghanistan...
The Kosovo Muslim Albanians created a terrorist group called the KLA (uck), which subsequently made it to the top 10 terrorist organisations in the world (according to the CIA) prior to 1999... Please research on the CIA website and type into their search bar three letters... KLA... You will see that the Muslim Albanians are terrorists...
Anyway, the Muslim Albanians were not happy with autonomy in Kosovo, they wanted their own country, but where could they find a country? Well they had to make a country, so they terrorised The Serbs, killed their children, shot Serbian children in the streets, threw grenades in Serbian schools, run over Serbian children which were walking to school, killed police, killed the elderly, raped women and all the things which muslims do when they fight a jihad...
And yes, burn churches... There is many videos showing their jihadists ways, they are no different to Osama bin laden, ISIS and al queda... Absolutely no difference...
So the Serbs fled their homeland in Kosovo and have yet to return... (No Kosovo unesco.com) explains everything..
Let us widen the lens of history just a bit to include the period of 1967-1985.
By your argument, the inability of Albanian leaders to stop the pressure, mobsterism, separatism, threats, and forceful push of Serbs out of Kosovo (documented by the NY Times during that period) should mean that they do not have the right to what you say.
You fail to acknowledge your complicityy in creating Milosevic.
Please stop with this muslim terrorist shit. The south of kosovo has many catholics, like myself. We never had problems based on religion. The riots in 2004 was against Serbia as a nation not against the religion.
(Amanaparts, 6 November 2015 11:44)
Sorry, the Serbian Church was first under pressure from Tito after taking power in 1946 which later was eased, but pressure increased from the Albanian majority in Kosovo increasing in voracity between 1980-1992. Over 156 Serbian Orthodox churches have been desecrated not just 2004. Not only have Churches been desecrated, but grave sites as well which shows the depravity and barbarity of the Albanians and it's KLA proxies. Even the Nazi's and Ottomans and barbarians before them did not stoop to the level to desecrate graves.
Well, hundreds of people who rioted in 2004 were prosecuted and many dozens were convicted, so I have not idea what you're talking about.
(icj1, 6 November 2015 14:33)
Where is the proof? Is that a fact?
(Jugolavija, 6 November 2015 17:13)
Of course it is a fact because it is based on UN documents.
You are so predictable mate. My post was intended for you and you fell for it, exactly as expected :) What did you think that I'm like you who makes statements and then is scandalized when somebody asks for evidence supporting them?
I first find the facts mate and then make a post here, not the other way around like you try to do.
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Nobody has any idea what you are talking about Idiot.
(Jugolavija, 6 November 2015 17:13)
Hey mate, there is no need to loose it. It's not my fault why you get caught lying. Just research the facts before posting here.
So, first of all, you have not been appointed to speak for everybody, so I take it that "nobody" means a certain "Jugoslavija". And, yes, I totally agree that you have no idea what I'm talking about because statements based on documentary evidence and facts are alien to you.
"Instead Kosovo, in the presence of international forces, destroyed or damaged more than 200 churches, monasteries and other religious sites, more than 10,000 icons have been removed, stolen, even headstones are torn down. And we're supposed to believe there will be better protection, while at the same time religious calendars are printed presenting our (Serbian Orthodox) churches and monasteries as Albanian," Dacic said.
Wrong. Not Kosovo did it, but the Kosovo Albanian mob. Kosovo/KPS only failed to protect the monasteries and, usually, miserably fails find the culprits, and Kosovo justice, in the rare cases someone was arrested, fails to punish the perpetrators, not to mention the permanent downplaying of those crimes by Kosovo officials ('playing kids'), which surely is not helpful and only encourages the Albanian mob, thinking that their behavior is wanted, or at least tolerated and not persecuted.
This will be Very much appreciated by all christians around the world... Thank you once again and God bless you...
(Nikola Novakovic, 7 November 2015 13:57)
Please do not group all Christians (which by the way should always be capitalized) with those extremist that think that murder, rape, torture of innocent women and children is a Godly act. It was Christian nations that bombed you to stop your nonChristian acts. The majority of countries recognizing Kosovo are majority Christian.
It might be wise to find out if God really approved what you have done on earth or you can take a chance and find out in the afterlife.
Well, hundreds of people who rioted in 2004 were prosecuted and many dozens were convicted, so I have not idea what you're talking about.
(icj1, 6 November 2015 14:33)
Where is the proof? Is that a fact? Nobody has any idea what you are talking about Idiot.
The jihadist Albanians and the story of David Hicks... A foreign fighter...
Mr Hicks fought with the Islamist Kosovo Liberation Army against Serbian forces in 1999, trained with terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba in Pakistan and joined al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, court documents have shown.
He had extensive terrorist training in Islamist military camps and learned to operate high-powered sniper rifles and shoulder-mounted anti-aircraft missiles.
After the September 11 attacks, Mr Hicks returned to Afghanistan to take up arms and fight alongside the Taliban and al-Qaeda against the US and its allies, including Australia.
It was there that he was captured among Taliban forces guarding a tank and handed over to the US, who detained him at the Guantánamo Bay naval base in Cuba.
Now this is just one out of thousands of foreign Islamist fighters which were helping the Islamist Albanians in their terror campaign against the Serbs...
Would you really vote yes for Kosovo unesco?... If so, your voting for fanatical Islamists...
i suggests everyone contact their member of parliament and make sure they make the right decision, which is NO to KOSOVO UNESCO...
This will be Very much appreciated by all christians around the world... Thank you once again and God bless you...
On Nemanja's grave it's written "Stefan Nemanja, King of Albanians". Stefan Dushan called himself king of Serbs, Albanians and Greeks." (Albanian Orthodox)
Utterly False. Stephan Nemenja's tomb is in Studenica Monastery in Serbia, a UNESCO site. There is no encryption of "King of Albanians". Later in history, Tsar Stephan Dusan as crowned King of Serbs and Greeks in Skopje but never was "Albania" included in his title. Rasca and Zeta are the two founding branches of Serbia in present day Kosovo and Metohija and Montenegro. (AlbanianOrthodox, 7 November 2015 22:32) Stephan Nemenja later built the Serbian Orthodox Monastery Hilander in Mount Athos
Albanians who attacked the churches in 2004 saw them as a symbol of Serbia. They were brainwashed from the same Milosevic propaganda that told them Orthodoxy can only be Serbian. (Albanian Orthodox)
Brainwashing? No Orthodox church condones the destruction of Orthodox holy sites whatever the political discourse including the Albanian Orthodox Church and Archbishop Anastasios who has led the church out of the dark ages. (AlbanianOrthodox, 7 November 2015 22:32)
The truth is, Kosovo religious institutions are already under UNESCO as Kosovo being Serbia's southern province. The international forces earlier in the past decade did not enforce protection of the institutions in order to Balkanize the former Yugoslav.
"Well, hundreds of people who rioted in 2004 were prosecuted and many dozens were convicted, so I have not idea what you're talking about. (icj1, 6 November 2015 14:33)
Yes? Then you probably will tell me what the usual penalty has been they were convicted to. One year of prison, and compensation for the damage they caused, or more like 50€ to pay to Thaci, and 5 hours social works, or one week of probation?
Of course it is a fact because it is based on UN documents.
(icj1, 6 November 2015 20:53)
What UN documents liar? Go back to your coloring books "mate"
(Jugoslavija, 8 November 2015 06:34)
Oh dear, somebody is loosing it :)
See Security Council document S/2007/395 of 29 June 2007:
"As of 2 April, the Police Task Force, established in April 2006 to investigate March 2004 cases (a Contact Group priority), had investigated 1,526 cases, of which 754 were under review, 177 remained open, 315 were closed, 120 were under active investigation and 160 were being investigated by the Kosovo Police Service (KPS).
International prosecutors have indicted 36 people for the most serious March riot-related offences, resulting in 26 convictions and one acquittal. Nine defendants in three cases are awaiting trial. Local prosecutors have brought over 300 criminal charges resulting in 142 convictions, with another 22 persons currently under investigation"
The above is called evidence, dear Mr. Liar - but don't worry I don't expect you to accept or understand documentary evidence since that is stuff that is alien to you. The only thing you understand are myths or stuff that you sell as being "true" just because you say so!
@ Yugoslavia
Yes, it's in Latin: Stefan Nemanja, Rex Albaneses.(King of Albanians, NOT SERBS)
Dushan:
In 1343, his title was "King of Serbia, Greeks, Albania and the coast". On April 16, 1346, he was crowned Emperor of Serbs and Greeks. This title was soon enlarged into "Emperor and Autocrat of the Serbs and Greeks, the Bulgarians and Albanians"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Du%C5%A1an
Hilandar:
"At the end of the 15th century, the Russian pilgrim Isaiah tells us that nearly half the monasteries (in Mount Athos) are Slav or Albanian."
In 1426 Gjon Kastrioti, an Albanian lord, and his three sons (one of whom was Skanderbeg) donated the right to the proceeds from taxes collected from the two villages of Rostuša and Trebište (in Macedonia) and from the church of Saint Mary, which was in one of them, to the Hilandar where his son Reposh retired and died on 25 July 1431: in his honor the Tower of St. George of Hilandar was known as the "Albanian tower" (Serbian: Arbanaški pirg).[5][6] By the end of the 15h century according to the Russian pilgrim Isaiah, the monastery was Serb.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilandar#cite_note-Bakalopulos1973-7
It's possible that the Hilandar Monastery started as Albanian, or as a joint Serb-Albanian project that eventually Serbs took over. One thing is sure: Medieval Serbia was not an "ethnically pure" state.
Please do not group all Christians (which by the way should always be capitalized) with those extremist that think that murder, rape, torture of innocent women and children is a Godly act. It was Christian nations that bombed you to stop your nonChristian acts. The majority of countries recognizing Kosovo are majority Christian.
It might be wise to find out if God really approved what you have done on earth or you can take a chance and find out in the afterlife.
(A true Christian, 8 November 2015 14:28)
An apostate "Christian" confused with NATO with the barbaric act of bombing Serbia and Kosovo during the Easter Holidays. http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1999-04-10/news/9904100232_1_orthodox-christians-orthodox-church-nato-bombing
Albanian ortodox, it seems that your theft of serbian medieval churches wont stop with those churches in Kosmet. You are now targeting serbian medieval monastery of Hilandar. Since you dont have your own history lets take from Serbs. So that is what you did with Serb monasteries in old serb capital Skadar and in Albania too. Serb kings are declared as Abanian etc. Hilandar is known for 800 years by who was bulit and when and now you are trying to make it dubious with albanian chauvinistic propaganda. We and Albanians were never together in any joint enterprise whatsoever. Serbs ruled over you and you prospered back then. Thanks to Serb emperor Stefan Dusan you had settled northern Greece(Epirus). That is only enterprise when we were together. Stanisa(Skenderbeg) was partially Serb, yes as many albanian nobelty too and in that time Serb language was offical language among albanian gentleman. It comes on my mind one thought of Nikola Tesla: I am not sorry because someone is taking my ideas, but because he dosent have his own.
AlbanianOrthodox : In 1426 Gjon Kastrioti, an Albanian lord, and his three sons (one of whom was Skanderbeg)... and from the church of Saint Mary, which was in one of them
Who the hell told you that a man like Skanderg could be a Shqiptar? Even the official biography of his runs that he had Slavic parents with Slav names and all his 9 children also had Slav names. To say nothing that his own name (Iskander ul Ahad + Bek) is a composition of two names of Tamerlane. It is also amusing to read how the Shqiptar hero with his 300 buffalos fought Mehmet II whose second name was Fatih i.e. the Conqueror … I think it would be wise of you to never interprete this Skanderbeg fairy tale to other languages. Just not to look clowns in our eyes. Also read thoroughly what is said in his story to see the multiple contradictions. He was captured by the “turks” (Russians, Bulgarians, Macedonians and Serbs) , was grown up there, taught to fight. Then he accepted Islam (that appeared 100 years later) and betrayed the “turks” who were very kind to him, he run away and become a Christian again ect. ect. Do you really believe in all that ? OK let’s talk about it to amuse the folks around. Let’s also talk about the versions of the shqiptar’s identity. Don’t use word Albanian because Albanians (The Whites) were Russians from the White Horde. Besides churches and monasteries were all free of any taxes !
For all those that do not know the Albanians... Here is truth...
Serbia had given autonomy to the Kosovo Albanian Muslims, and for all those that do not know, Kosovo Albanians are mostly Muslim, 98% of them... And yes, Osama bin laden, the head of al queda visited Kosovo Albanians and personally trained many of them in terrorist camps in Kosovo and in Afghanistan...
The Kosovo Muslim Albanians created a terrorist group called the KLA (uck), which subsequently made it to the top 10 terrorist organisations in the world (according to the CIA) prior to 1999... Please research on the CIA website and type into their search bar three letters... KLA... You will see that the Muslim Albanians are terrorists...
Anyway, the Muslim Albanians were not happy with autonomy in Kosovo, they wanted their own country, but where could they find a country? Well they had to make a country, so they terrorised The Serbs, killed their children, shot Serbian children in the streets, threw grenades in Serbian schools, run over Serbian children which were walking to school, killed police, killed the elderly, raped women and all the things which muslims do when they fight a jihad...
And yes, burn churches... There is many videos showing their jihadists ways, they are no different to Osama bin laden, ISIS and al queda... Absolutely no difference...
So the Serbs fled their homeland in Kosovo and have yet to return... (No Kosovo unesco.com) explains everything..
The United Nations was established to prevent wars and to uphold international laws and agreements... but sadly this has not been the case as Serbia was bombed preemptively in 1999, thus sovereignty ceased to exist and it then set the precedent for Georgia and Ukraine and the future conflicts yet to come...
Now what happened to the United Nations after the kosovo precedent? It became a Frankenstein monster which we have no control over it anymore, it is no longer needed and Nations do not believe in it for the purpose for which it was created... the monster which was now created will turn on its creators and devour them... this is a karl marx quote on capitalism and so it can also be true for the united nations...
But this also goes for unesco as well... like Dacic said, if kosovo is accepted into unesco, it goes against all the values and principles of unesco. The historical and cultural buildings were not protect when NATO forces were suppoed to protect them, so how will unesco protect them by giving it to the people which destroyed it, the albanian Muslim's.... the albanian muslims are the fire which burnt the buildings, by giving it to the albanians you are just placing it back into the fire...
So if that happens, unesco to will be turned into a monster, it will set a precedent again and sadly the monster will turn against its creators... there will be no more unesco and therefore no more sights protected...
Well, hundreds of people who rioted in 2004 were prosecuted and many dozens were convicted, so I have not idea what you're talking about.
(icj1, 6 November 2015 14:33)
Where is the proof? Is that a fact? Nobody has any idea what you are talking about Idiot.
Please stop with this muslim terrorist shit. The south of kosovo has many catholics, like myself. We never had problems based on religion. The riots in 2004 was against Serbia as a nation not against the religion.
(Amanaparts, 6 November 2015 11:44)
Sorry, the Serbian Church was first under pressure from Tito after taking power in 1946 which later was eased, but pressure increased from the Albanian majority in Kosovo increasing in voracity between 1980-1992. Over 156 Serbian Orthodox churches have been desecrated not just 2004. Not only have Churches been desecrated, but grave sites as well which shows the depravity and barbarity of the Albanians and it's KLA proxies. Even the Nazi's and Ottomans and barbarians before them did not stoop to the level to desecrate graves.
"Well, hundreds of people who rioted in 2004 were prosecuted and many dozens were convicted, so I have not idea what you're talking about. (icj1, 6 November 2015 14:33)
Yes? Then you probably will tell me what the usual penalty has been they were convicted to. One year of prison, and compensation for the damage they caused, or more like 50€ to pay to Thaci, and 5 hours social works, or one week of probation?
The jihadist Albanians and the story of David Hicks... A foreign fighter...
Mr Hicks fought with the Islamist Kosovo Liberation Army against Serbian forces in 1999, trained with terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba in Pakistan and joined al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, court documents have shown.
He had extensive terrorist training in Islamist military camps and learned to operate high-powered sniper rifles and shoulder-mounted anti-aircraft missiles.
After the September 11 attacks, Mr Hicks returned to Afghanistan to take up arms and fight alongside the Taliban and al-Qaeda against the US and its allies, including Australia.
It was there that he was captured among Taliban forces guarding a tank and handed over to the US, who detained him at the Guantánamo Bay naval base in Cuba.
Now this is just one out of thousands of foreign Islamist fighters which were helping the Islamist Albanians in their terror campaign against the Serbs...
Would you really vote yes for Kosovo unesco?... If so, your voting for fanatical Islamists...
i suggests everyone contact their member of parliament and make sure they make the right decision, which is NO to KOSOVO UNESCO...
This will be Very much appreciated by all christians around the world... Thank you once again and God bless you...
All I have to say is that, majority of Muslim Albanians are not hiw serbia has portrayed them in general. Serbia had tried to add on religious issues, fact of the matter is that is not true at all. We albanian catholics certainly feel far more safer with Albanian muslims than Serbian orthodox. If this was truly the case, the west would have never supported the Albanians.
What got Serbs in trouble and bombed was not the destruction of serbian churches by Albanians. It was the torture, mass killing, raping, burning entire albanian villages to the ground.
These churches that were destroyed sure are on the accountability of Albanians in 2004. Serbia has destroyed their mosques ad well, our catholic churches too. Croatian churches have been decimated too, where does serbia get a free pass to judge others?
No one is buying it, personally I am not in favor of Kosovo joining UNESCO, they should remove the serbian churches before they join in. I agree with that completely.
I really don't understand Serbia's argument. Serbia was allowed to join UNESCO just over a year after Serbian military/paramilitary forces destroyed/damaged/looted over half of the Mosques in Kosova. Plus look at their track record of damaging and damaging cultural heritage in Bosnia and Croatia. Sure, some of the Serbian heritage was destroyed and damaged during the unrest in 2004, it was wrong and people should be punished but that was over 11 years ago and Kosova is a very different place now. If we're to go by Serbia's argument, then should Serbia be a member of UNESCO because of their actions to to destroy cultural heritage across the western Balkans in the 1990's?
Serbia doesn't care about the four Orthodox monasteries in Kosova, if they did, they wouldn't be opposed to Kosova's membership in UNESCO because UNESCO membership will make Kosova eligible for funds to safeguard, restore and maintain the four monasteries in Kosova. It would also give Kosova a greater obligation to protect the four monasteries. Instead Serbia is opposed to Kosova's membership for political reasons. They actively want to deprive Kosova of education, science and culture. Everything Serbia does with UNESCO is just political, they don't care about education, science or culture. If Serbia truly cared about Serbian heritage, then why haven't they designated the beautiful ancient Kalemegdan Fortress as a UNESCO world heritage site? Because they have nothing politically to gain from it.
Let us widen the lens of history just a bit to include the period of 1967-1985.
By your argument, the inability of Albanian leaders to stop the pressure, mobsterism, separatism, threats, and forceful push of Serbs out of Kosovo (documented by the NY Times during that period) should mean that they do not have the right to what you say.
You fail to acknowledge your complicityy in creating Milosevic.
The truth is, Kosovo religious institutions are already under UNESCO as Kosovo being Serbia's southern province. The international forces earlier in the past decade did not enforce protection of the institutions in order to Balkanize the former Yugoslav.
Kosovo/KPS only failed to protect the monasteries and, usually, miserably fails find the culprits, and Kosovo justice, in the rare cases someone was arrested, fails to punish the perpetrators
(Comm. Parriss, 6 November 2015 12:53)
Well, hundreds of people who rioted in 2004 were prosecuted and many dozens were convicted, so I have not idea what you're talking about. Just because you or Serb news agencies choose to not see or report something, it does not mean that something did not happen!
"Instead Kosovo, in the presence of international forces, destroyed or damaged more than 200 churches, monasteries and other religious sites, more than 10,000 icons have been removed, stolen, even headstones are torn down. And we're supposed to believe there will be better protection, while at the same time religious calendars are printed presenting our (Serbian Orthodox) churches and monasteries as Albanian," Dacic said.
Wrong. Not Kosovo did it, but the Kosovo Albanian mob. Kosovo/KPS only failed to protect the monasteries and, usually, miserably fails find the culprits, and Kosovo justice, in the rare cases someone was arrested, fails to punish the perpetrators, not to mention the permanent downplaying of those crimes by Kosovo officials ('playing kids'), which surely is not helpful and only encourages the Albanian mob, thinking that their behavior is wanted, or at least tolerated and not persecuted.
Firt of, your story is not true but I`m not even getting into this. This history this and history that is getting old on both sides. Frankly I`m tired to talk to any of you biased folks about history. Fact is: There was war. Fact is: HOrrible things happend during the war, making it almost impossible for these two nations to live together. Fact is: Over 120 Countries have recognised Kosova`s independency.
Ya`ll can talk about what happend 40, 100, 1000 or 2000 yrs. ago and yet here we are. Kosovo is independent and serbia is grabbing every remaining straw. Misusing Kosovo to blind its own people from the real problems.
Ok. Kosovo failed to protect them in 2004. You are right and this must not happen again. But lets have a closer look at your argumentation.
Based on your logic, Serbia would have to recognise Kosovos independence. After all Serbia failed to protect civilians during their fight against "terrorist" and was responsible for massacres and murder on the albanian people. Now, by your own logic, why should Kosovo return to Serbia if you are not able to guarantee for safety, education and prosperty in this region.
I agree 100% with you. Accepts independence of Kosovo and you keep the few churches that belonges to the orthodox church. No big deal.
Please stop with this muslim terrorist shit. The south of kosovo has many catholics, like myself. We never had problems based on religion. The riots in 2004 was against Serbia as a nation not against the religion.
The real cause of what happened in Yugoslavia is not Usa or Germany for him is always a foreign cause or others the most funny is what he think about what hahppened when Serbia was under Turks 500 years . The real cause of breakup of Yugoslavia => not the Americans , not the Germans , there were economical problems + unemployment and then the SLAVS got WILD with nationalism . Usa Germany couldn`t do nothing if people not were WILD . Take a Nikola Novakovic from Serbia , Take a Boban from Croatia , Take a Muslim Bosnian and KILL EACH OTHER at first problems !
...No one is buying it, personally I am not in favor of Kosovo joining UNESCO, they should remove the serbian churches before they join in. I agree with that completely.
(Alban8an-Catholic, 6 November 2015 12:10...
According to Ahtisaari Plan,those monestaries are property of Serbian Orthodox Church.
I agree with you that Serbia had to make a deal with Albanians about those churches in return Serbia would have supported the membership of Kosovo, which I am sure Albanians would have accepted.
The real problem are not churches in Kosovo which have been there for 1000 years and nobody have touched them.
The real problem is that Serbia sees this move as threat because it affirms Kosovo statehood and the next step will be allowing Kosovo become an UN member.
As usual Serbia started its dirty propaganda against Albanians, instead talking to them and cutting a deal.
Now that they are seeing that Kosovo has the votes, they are putting the lunatic of Pec to threat for another 300 thousands people to die, because you know he has no kids and he doesn't understand how terrible is to lose kids in an unnecessary war.
Just watch the crowd in Belgrade and the crowd in Elbasan Arena and is easily to draw a conclusions who is uncivilized.
I am Orthodox Albanian myself and I am totally against the claims for war from the lunatic of Pec.
what complicity are you on about? is this some sort of namby pamby we-are-all-to-blame sort of nonsense? are others complicit in the rise of Hitler or only ghe Germans?
When the head of the Serbian church calls for war against Albanians, I'm surprised there are still any buildings owned by the Serb church still standing in Kosova. What institution calls for war continuously, engages in war, actively engages in xenophobic politics against a specific ethnic group (Albanians) and its assets still stand? Would Sesejl party expect a branch of his political party to have his assets protected in Prishtina? Because the Serb Ayatollahs have beards and black clothes, that doesn't give them the right to call for war and expect their assets not to be touched. Not when they're more extreme and violent in their speech than extremist Serbian political parties. That's not how this works. You talk $h!t and $h!t will happen to you, no matter if you have a beard and wear black clothes.$h!t will hit the fan if you use God as a tool to call for murder, rape, destruction and sorrow. It will be even worse if you're the head of the Serb church and call for such evil, in the name of God.
Kosovo must not allowed to join UNESCO because Albanians are "islamic terrorists". - this is Dacic`s point.
Sorry, to disturb your "Defenders of European Christianity Civilisation" status but... in Albania there are FOUR major religions: Muslim Sunni, Muslim Bektasi, Catholics and Orthodox. They have lived in peace and harmony for centuries.
Of course, Muslim are majority. But if a Muslim, Albanian or not, dares to insult a Catholic/Orthodox Albanian the Muslim Albanians will be ALWAYS side by side with the Catholic/Orthodox Albanian. Because WE ARE BROTHERS!
Serbs, Croats and Bosnians are ethnically the same. And they have killed each other any time they could, just because they have different religions.
Sorry, but RELIGOUS WARS are not part of Christianity and European Civilisation since 17th Century.
Albanians have never fought for religous causes. And they will never will.
Yes, you could use those 2004 footage anytime you wish, and you do the right thing. But Albanians are ashamed of those footage, and this is reason why 2004 will never happen again.
Serbs have done much more wrong deeds to other people but many Serbs are still proud of those Fascists leaders.
Yes, fighting against Fascists in WII doesn`t exclude you from being the Fascist in the next war.
On Nemanja's grave it's written "Stefan Nemanja, King of Albanians". Stefan Dushan called himself king of Serbs, Albanians and Greeks." (Albanian Orthodox)
Utterly False. Stephan Nemenja's tomb is in Studenica Monastery in Serbia, a UNESCO site. There is no encryption of "King of Albanians". Later in history, Tsar Stephan Dusan as crowned King of Serbs and Greeks in Skopje but never was "Albania" included in his title. Rasca and Zeta are the two founding branches of Serbia in present day Kosovo and Metohija and Montenegro. (AlbanianOrthodox, 7 November 2015 22:32) Stephan Nemenja later built the Serbian Orthodox Monastery Hilander in Mount Athos
Albanians who attacked the churches in 2004 saw them as a symbol of Serbia. They were brainwashed from the same Milosevic propaganda that told them Orthodoxy can only be Serbian. (Albanian Orthodox)
Brainwashing? No Orthodox church condones the destruction of Orthodox holy sites whatever the political discourse including the Albanian Orthodox Church and Archbishop Anastasios who has led the church out of the dark ages. (AlbanianOrthodox, 7 November 2015 22:32)
This will be Very much appreciated by all christians around the world... Thank you once again and God bless you...
(Nikola Novakovic, 7 November 2015 13:57)
Please do not group all Christians (which by the way should always be capitalized) with those extremist that think that murder, rape, torture of innocent women and children is a Godly act. It was Christian nations that bombed you to stop your nonChristian acts. The majority of countries recognizing Kosovo are majority Christian.
It might be wise to find out if God really approved what you have done on earth or you can take a chance and find out in the afterlife.
"Instead Kosovo, in the presence of international forces, destroyed or damaged more than 200 churches, monasteries and other religious sites, more than 10,000 icons have been removed, stolen, even headstones are torn down. And we're supposed to believe there will be better protection, while at the same time religious calendars are printed presenting our (Serbian Orthodox) churches and monasteries as Albanian," Dacic said.
If your argument is valid than the serbian argument that Kosovo should be part of Serbia is also false. Because under serbian occupation ten thousand Albanians were killed and our cities and villages were destroyed. And we are supposed to believe that if Kosovo becomes part of Serbia again there will be better protection for Albanians. Delusional Serbs.
Most of the churches in Kosovo were built at a time when Kosovo was a mixture of Albanians and Serbs. You are all brainwashed from nationalist propaganda.
Medieval Serbia was not what Milosevic made you believe. On Nemanja's grave it's written "Stefan Nemanja, King of Albanians". Stefan Dushan called himself king of Serbs, Albanians and Greeks. Many of the ruling families of Serbia at the time had Albanian blood. Saint Angjelina of Serbia was 100% Albanian. A good part of the medieval rulers Brankovic were partially Albanian or Slavicized Albanians. Many Serbs from Kosovo and Southern Serbia have Illyrian ancestry from the Triballian tribes. Many of them were Slavicized through the Slavic church after the Ottoman invasion when many Albanians converted to Islam.
Every Albanian Muslim knows that his ancestors were Orthodox or Catholic. The medieval churches and monasteries in Kosovo are part of our ancestry as well as yours. Serbia cannot protect them, but Albanians can. The more you provoke Albanians the more you fuel radicalism against you and against the churches. Albanians who attacked the churches in 2004 saw them as a symbol of Serbia. They were brainwashed from the same Milosevic propaganda that told them Orthodoxy can only be Serbian. No nationality can own a certain religion. Albanians have a lot of Orthodox heritage themselves and Kosovo Albanians will accept the churches as part of their history.
Well, hundreds of people who rioted in 2004 were prosecuted and many dozens were convicted, so I have not idea what you're talking about.
(icj1, 6 November 2015 14:33)
Where is the proof? Is that a fact?
(Jugolavija, 6 November 2015 17:13)
Of course it is a fact because it is based on UN documents.
You are so predictable mate. My post was intended for you and you fell for it, exactly as expected :) What did you think that I'm like you who makes statements and then is scandalized when somebody asks for evidence supporting them?
I first find the facts mate and then make a post here, not the other way around like you try to do.
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Nobody has any idea what you are talking about Idiot.
(Jugolavija, 6 November 2015 17:13)
Hey mate, there is no need to loose it. It's not my fault why you get caught lying. Just research the facts before posting here.
So, first of all, you have not been appointed to speak for everybody, so I take it that "nobody" means a certain "Jugoslavija". And, yes, I totally agree that you have no idea what I'm talking about because statements based on documentary evidence and facts are alien to you.
@ Yugoslavia
Yes, it's in Latin: Stefan Nemanja, Rex Albaneses.(King of Albanians, NOT SERBS)
Dushan:
In 1343, his title was "King of Serbia, Greeks, Albania and the coast". On April 16, 1346, he was crowned Emperor of Serbs and Greeks. This title was soon enlarged into "Emperor and Autocrat of the Serbs and Greeks, the Bulgarians and Albanians"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Du%C5%A1an
Hilandar:
"At the end of the 15th century, the Russian pilgrim Isaiah tells us that nearly half the monasteries (in Mount Athos) are Slav or Albanian."
In 1426 Gjon Kastrioti, an Albanian lord, and his three sons (one of whom was Skanderbeg) donated the right to the proceeds from taxes collected from the two villages of Rostuša and Trebište (in Macedonia) and from the church of Saint Mary, which was in one of them, to the Hilandar where his son Reposh retired and died on 25 July 1431: in his honor the Tower of St. George of Hilandar was known as the "Albanian tower" (Serbian: Arbanaški pirg).[5][6] By the end of the 15h century according to the Russian pilgrim Isaiah, the monastery was Serb.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilandar#cite_note-Bakalopulos1973-7
It's possible that the Hilandar Monastery started as Albanian, or as a joint Serb-Albanian project that eventually Serbs took over. One thing is sure: Medieval Serbia was not an "ethnically pure" state.
AlbanianOrthodox : In 1426 Gjon Kastrioti, an Albanian lord, and his three sons (one of whom was Skanderbeg)... and from the church of Saint Mary, which was in one of them
Who the hell told you that a man like Skanderg could be a Shqiptar? Even the official biography of his runs that he had Slavic parents with Slav names and all his 9 children also had Slav names. To say nothing that his own name (Iskander ul Ahad + Bek) is a composition of two names of Tamerlane. It is also amusing to read how the Shqiptar hero with his 300 buffalos fought Mehmet II whose second name was Fatih i.e. the Conqueror … I think it would be wise of you to never interprete this Skanderbeg fairy tale to other languages. Just not to look clowns in our eyes. Also read thoroughly what is said in his story to see the multiple contradictions. He was captured by the “turks” (Russians, Bulgarians, Macedonians and Serbs) , was grown up there, taught to fight. Then he accepted Islam (that appeared 100 years later) and betrayed the “turks” who were very kind to him, he run away and become a Christian again ect. ect. Do you really believe in all that ? OK let’s talk about it to amuse the folks around. Let’s also talk about the versions of the shqiptar’s identity. Don’t use word Albanian because Albanians (The Whites) were Russians from the White Horde. Besides churches and monasteries were all free of any taxes !
Please do not group all Christians (which by the way should always be capitalized) with those extremist that think that murder, rape, torture of innocent women and children is a Godly act. It was Christian nations that bombed you to stop your nonChristian acts. The majority of countries recognizing Kosovo are majority Christian.
It might be wise to find out if God really approved what you have done on earth or you can take a chance and find out in the afterlife.
(A true Christian, 8 November 2015 14:28)
An apostate "Christian" confused with NATO with the barbaric act of bombing Serbia and Kosovo during the Easter Holidays. http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1999-04-10/news/9904100232_1_orthodox-christians-orthodox-church-nato-bombing
Albanian ortodox, it seems that your theft of serbian medieval churches wont stop with those churches in Kosmet. You are now targeting serbian medieval monastery of Hilandar. Since you dont have your own history lets take from Serbs. So that is what you did with Serb monasteries in old serb capital Skadar and in Albania too. Serb kings are declared as Abanian etc. Hilandar is known for 800 years by who was bulit and when and now you are trying to make it dubious with albanian chauvinistic propaganda. We and Albanians were never together in any joint enterprise whatsoever. Serbs ruled over you and you prospered back then. Thanks to Serb emperor Stefan Dusan you had settled northern Greece(Epirus). That is only enterprise when we were together. Stanisa(Skenderbeg) was partially Serb, yes as many albanian nobelty too and in that time Serb language was offical language among albanian gentleman. It comes on my mind one thought of Nikola Tesla: I am not sorry because someone is taking my ideas, but because he dosent have his own.
Of course it is a fact because it is based on UN documents.
(icj1, 6 November 2015 20:53)
What UN documents liar? Go back to your coloring books "mate"
(Jugoslavija, 8 November 2015 06:34)
Oh dear, somebody is loosing it :)
See Security Council document S/2007/395 of 29 June 2007:
"As of 2 April, the Police Task Force, established in April 2006 to investigate March 2004 cases (a Contact Group priority), had investigated 1,526 cases, of which 754 were under review, 177 remained open, 315 were closed, 120 were under active investigation and 160 were being investigated by the Kosovo Police Service (KPS).
International prosecutors have indicted 36 people for the most serious March riot-related offences, resulting in 26 convictions and one acquittal. Nine defendants in three cases are awaiting trial. Local prosecutors have brought over 300 criminal charges resulting in 142 convictions, with another 22 persons currently under investigation"
The above is called evidence, dear Mr. Liar - but don't worry I don't expect you to accept or understand documentary evidence since that is stuff that is alien to you. The only thing you understand are myths or stuff that you sell as being "true" just because you say so!
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