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Thursday, 05.11.2015.

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Instagram removes account showing destroyed Serb churches

An Instagram account maintained by the Student Office in Kosovska Mitrovica has been shut down for publishing "disturbing content."

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icj1

pre 8 godina

Since because of 1,2, or 3 (or how many ever) individuals setting on fire some places, he labelled a people during the entire course of history as setting on fire holy places!
(icj1, 7 November 2015 14:47)

Learning how to count again mate, just don't do it in public?
(Jugoslavija, 8 November 2015 17:42)

Why not do that in public? You don't trust factman's counting?!
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Don't worry, the Orthodox Church and the western world is well aware of the Albanian extremists who light holy places on fire and then continue more barbaric acts like desecrating graves.
(Jugoslavija, 8 November 2015 17:42)

Even if we assume that is true, "Albanian extremists" are not the same thing as a people, the Albanians. The same way that I don't consider some members of the VRS who committed genocide in Srebrenica as being the same as a people, the Serbs.
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Can you ride your tricycle to Albania to see the destruction of Albanian Orthodox Churches?
(Jugoslavija, 8 November 2015 17:42)

For what purpose should I do that and waste my time and money?! I know already that most religious buildings of all faiths were destroyed by the communist regime in Albania based on the teachings of their idol, comrade Stalin, who did the same in the Soviet Union in the 1920' - 30's. For the communist regime there was only one "God", the dictator himself and there was only one "church"/"mosque", the communist party!

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Since because of 1,2, or 3 (or how many ever) individuals setting on fire some places, he labelled a people during the entire course of history as setting on fire holy places!
(icj1, 7 November 2015 14:47)

Learning how to count again mate, just don't do it in public? Don't worry, the Orthodox Church and the western world is well aware of the Albanian extremists who light holy places on fire and then continue more barbaric acts like desecrating graves.

0http://orthodoxrights.org/category/serbiahttp://religion.info/english/articles/article_48.shtml#.Vj954Ld0zIU

In Albanian itself, attacks on the Albanian Orthodox Churchhttp://orthodoxrights.org/category/albania

Can you ride your tricycle to Albania to see the destruction of Albanian Orthodox Churches?

just a note

pre 8 godina

By the way, your writing is atricious. Go back to school.
(factman, 7 November 2015 02:40)
I think that was meant to be atrocious but doesn't matter. Why should I go back to school to impress you? Number 1, I am writing for a bunch of people who English is a second language, and second I start typing and apparently LIKE YOU I do not bother with spell check or grammar check. You seem to have a lot in common with sj, telling people they need to take remedial English, or go back to school, and when you do not have a valid argument you start the personal attacks like "idiot" and "feeble mind". It does not work with me. You have to be a little insecure in your position to be put down. Me, I just laugh it off as a desperate Serb who showed up at the party wearing a costume, when it wasn't a masquerade party.
I do not directly blame you for the actual deaths and violence committed but I blame you for your defense of the actions and the inference that Albanians deserved what happened to them. I see very little in the sin.
As far as the priests, Serbia is and was heavily controlled by the Church, the leaders of the Orthodox had the ability to condemn what Milosevic was doing and a large majority would have felt a moral obligation to stop it, but since they approved the actions people felt they had a blessing from God.
Maybe you should learn about the damage those you hold high did to others.

factman

pre 8 godina

You clearly see what you want to see. Funny how you gloss right over the organized terrorization of the Serb minority and do not mention that. It also clearly shows a pre-ordained effort to rip the land away and push all Serbs off over numerous years.

Tightly controlled communist country?!? That's really funny. It was the most liberal of all communist countries with free travel to the West for all who wanted it. It had a market economy. Don't make me laugh. Please. Learn the facts. the tightest controlled communist country was in Albania. The least controlled was in Yugoslavia. Why do you think they all came over the border from Hoxha-land?

All this was planned over the course of 30 years. There is nothing innocent about this movement.

icj1

pre 8 godina

You guys are complicit in creating Milosevic. Your behavior and the behavior of other republics created him.
(Factman, 7 November 2015 02:47)

So the Serbs (who are proud, independent, macho, don't suck anybody, etc, etc etc...) could not independently find a leader, but put as a leader somebody created by the enemies of Serbdom!!! You're making a very traitorous and unpatriotic statement mate :)

Amanaparts

pre 8 godina

The links seems a little odd because its they are not actual links to NYTimes but its ok. If you read the articles, you`ll see that those articles are not backing your argument. Instead they prove that the crisis and protest evolved due to a demand for more autonomie and that Kosovo was not only mismanaged but also discriminated. The articles even state that there where over 80% ethnic albanians in that region.

Thnx for the list. These articles prove only why Kosovo could never stay with Yugoslavia/Serbia and never will again.

The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

By the way, your writing is atricious. Go back to school.
(factman, 7 November 2015 02:40)

This is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I believe the word you are trying to use is spelled ATROCIOUS. Do you even know what it means?

You deserve what they got.

pre 8 godina

ead it.
(Factman, 7 November 2015 02:47)
Of course you conveniently forgot to mention that these articles were written about one of the tightest communist controlled countries of the world. No reporter was allowed into Yugoslavia to report the truth, they were allowed there to tell the story that the communist regime wanted the world to hear.
Do you see actual truthful journalism reporting the situation inside North Korea? No and you did not see it coming out of Yugoslavia either. It was not until the west sent spies into Yugo that the real stories started coming out.
How can you seriously try to tell people that with Serbian military present, Serbian police and judiciary. All Albanians thrown out of office, the schools closed, any Albanians forced out of their jobs and yet the Albanians were driving Serbs out.
To spread such propaganda makes you no better than Milosevic himself, you pretend to be a moderate person but your goal is to justify what was done and to try to make the world think that the Albanians deserved it.
May you and your children endure for 2 months what any nonSerb in Yugo had to endure under the Serbs and Milosevic. Maybe you could then have a clear picture of right and wrong.

icj1

pre 8 godina

and because 1,2, or 3 (or how many ever) Orthodox priests did what you say, you have labelled all of them evil (and me too, yet I was only 13 years old). YOU ARE CLEARLY A RACIST.
(factman, 7 November 2015 02:40)

I can't agree more with the logic above. So, by the same token, the Serbian Orthodox "Priest" in-Chief is also clearly a racist for making the statement below:

"The head of the SPC added that the Serb heritage is now supposed to be entrusted to a people, i.e., Albanians, "who during the entire course of their history set our holy places on fire."

Since because of 1,2, or 3 (or how many ever) individuals setting on fire some places, he labelled a people during the entire course of history as setting on fire holy places!

Nikola novakovic

pre 8 godina

Is it ISIS, or Osama bin laden, it must be al queda, no it's the islamist Albanians which attacked christian buildings... The KLA jihadists...

The KLA islamist group was founded in the early 1990s during a backlash against Serbian efforts to eliminate ethnic Albanian islamist political influence inside the former Yugoslavia.

President Bill Clinton's special envoy to the Balkans, Robert Gelbard, described the KLA as, "without any questions, a terrorist group." The KLA engaged in tit-for-tat attacks with Serbian nationalists in Kosovo, reprisals against ethnic Albanians who "collaborated" with the Serbian government, and bombed police stations and cafes known to be frequented by Serb officials, killing innocent civilians in the process.

Most of its activities were funded by drug running as a result of its special relationship with afghan drug lords and Osama bin laden...

Factman

pre 8 godina

Here you go AmanaParts

31 articles by the NY times and Washington Post and other major American newspapers documenting The Kosovo Albanian behavior many years before Milosevic even came to power.

Pre-Milosevic Kosovo: http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/benworks/1980news.html

You guys are complicit in creating Milosevic. Your behavior and the behavior of other republics created him.

It's all there in black and white and freely available to read for those who care to know a more thorough picture.

You guys clearly wanted the land without Serbs on it.

Read it.

factman

pre 8 godina

Just a note,

.... and because 1,2, or 3 (or how many ever) Orthodox priests did what you say, you have labelled all of them evil (and me too, yet I was only 13 years old). YOU ARE CLEARLY A RACIST.

Unfortunately, you are not an intelligent racist because you do not understand the word complicity. Let me explain for your feable mind (feable means not too strong by the way). I am saying that the Kosovo Albanians and their behaviour from 1965-1990's created the Milosevic they got. Read and educate yourself you idiot:

Kosovo Albanina behavior pre-Milosevic:
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/benworks/1980news.html

By the way, your writing is atricious. Go back to school.

Roger7

pre 8 godina

kiko said "Let me get this right: because the Greek orthodox church doesn't recognize Macedonia's church that automatically means Serbia should not recognize it?"

You need to educate yourself as to why all worldwide canonical Eastern Orthodox Churches do not recognize nor are in communion with the non-canonical Macedonian Orthodox Church.

just a note

pre 8 godina

just a note,

you should not avoid your complicity in creating milosevic (especially your behaviour during the 1967-1985 years) as is documented in the n.y. times.
(factman, 6 November 2015 14:47)
Have no idea what you are talking about but if there were support before he became a murdering butcher is one thing but the priests supported his actions after they knew what he was, and apparently you do too!

Amanaparts

pre 8 godina

Fatman

if you talk about documents there is only one way to do it.

Prove it or it didnt happen. In this case. Link or it didnt happen.

kiko

pre 8 godina

Jugo,
Let me get this right: because the Greek orthodox church doesn't recognize Macedonia's church that automatically means Serbia should not recognize it? The fact that the Greeks don't recognize it is because of territorial ambitions which they've clearly stated in their issue with Macedonia's name. Macedonia and Serbia were a part of 1 country called Yugoslavia. The reason why Macedonia was saved from war was a) not many serbs there b) very poor republic with a lot of economic issues.
I'm again astonished at how so many focus on just the churches and no 1 mentions the education, culture, & science part of UNESCO. It is not simply about a few monuments. And who protected the churches when our common enemy the Ottomans controlled the territory for 500+ years. It wasn't Serbs.
Serbia's stance is purely political as the entrance into UNESCO would solidify & help Kosovo gain new recognition's & boost its stance in the world community. Also if admitted, Serbia will lose any leverage in negotiations during the Belgrade-Prishtina talks. It will not be able to ask/demand international guarantees that Kosovo would be held accountable for.
If Serbs were genuinely so interested in K&M they would actually visit it, settle there, invest in it, etc. This never happened prior to the wars & any investment never was allocated properly but swindled by communist party members in K&M and Belgrade and this caused resentment from the republics of Croatia and Slovenia.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Disturbing Serbian lies. I guess Srebrenica massacre has no chance to be shown.
(Avni, 5 November 2015 21:38)

Yes, the Bosnian muslim massacres on unarmed Serb civilians have not been shown to the world. Over 3000 Serbs massacred and killed by Nasir Oric just in and around Srebrinica.

http://en.europenews.dk/Naser-Nasir-Oric-Srebrenica-War-Criminal-detailed-list-of-his-attacks-on-Christians-80676.html

factman

pre 8 godina

just a note,

you should not avoid your complicity in creating milosevic (especially your behaviour during the 1967-1985 years) as is documented in the n.y. times.

just a note

pre 8 godina

I wouldn't be surprised if the Serbian orthodox churches pull out of UNESCO
(factman, 6 November 2015 05:11)
Would be appropriate considering the part they played in the Milosevic reign of terror.
But remember they were admitted due to their unique architecture not what happened inside and outside the walls.

rote

pre 8 godina

cry me a river : Yes, of course, everything originated in Russia, or Greece. I forget.

Don’t be a cynic and just think about it :

1/ In 572 Pope Gregory during calendar reforms added another 1000 years to our history. So instead of I572 (Iisus572) or j572 (Jesus572) it turned into 1572. If you ask I can find you old documents and pictures dated in the pre-Gregorian stile. In fact the difference was from 1000 to 1100 years concerning the history of Europe/Rome and some 1800 years when it came to the ‘ancient” Greece while only 330 years were shifted in the history of Byzantine. Remember these figures as they coordinate well to one another.

2/ For me the darkest part of history is the Byzantine because all books were stolen to Vatican by Pope Nicolas V in 1448. Who exactly were the Latins in Tsar Grad/Jerusalem? Did the Armenian Angel dynasty (who killed Jesus) belong to the Latins (Ladins) or not? Why the Jews deny their big colony in Jerusalem? Which of the two Jewish languages (Ladino and Idish) appeared first ? Did Jesus speak Armenian or Arameian when both of them were written as ARM ?

3/ Also I have big problems to find border between the Golden Horde (Iran, Central Asia, India) and the Severskaya Zemlia (Ottomans. How came that they both chose Islam? Which of them Islamized Indochina and Indonesia? Why China wasn’t Islamised or Buddized? Why Japan was buddized? Where Russian Indians were running when Yankees started to buy their Cossack scalps?

Ect.ect.

Joni

pre 8 godina

Albanian crimes against humanity are indeed disturbing content. But they shouldn't be hidden. The truth needs to come out about these people and their habits.
(Navi, 5 November 2015 19:40)

Albanian "CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY"?????
Are you talking to yourself or what?
Tell us a little about your habits, like those below for example.
Somebody should make a film on this scenario, so all the world must see the truth face of Serbs.

http://wap.b92.rs/eng/news/crimes.php?yyyy=2015&mm=08&dd=17&nav_id=95120

Joni

pre 8 godina

All this campaign with this kind of "language" against ALL THE ALBANIAN NATION will just turn in "boomerang" against SERBS.
I'm sure on that!
So i'm relaxed.

eric

pre 8 godina

The 10 years long dirty war of Serbia in Balkan makes accountable and responsible the Serb Nation for:
1 Genocide. 2 Terrorism. 3 Mass Murders. 4 Tortures. 5 Rapes. 6 Mass Destruction. 7 Kidnapping. 8 Looting and Robbery … the list is too long.

factman

pre 8 godina

This UNESCO thing has pretty much guaranteed that:

1. The Serbian people will never, ever vote to recognize Kosovo (no matter what German bullsh#t comes down the road.

2. Belgrade will deliberately impede Kosovo's progress at every step (no matter what German bullsh#t comes down the road.

I figure this just added another 8-10 years of frozen time.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Serbian orthodox churches pull out of UNESCO

cry me a river

pre 8 godina

Both Christianity and Islam were born in Russia...
(rote,

Yes, of course, everything originated in Russia, or Greece. I forget.

Albanian Orthodox KLA

pre 8 godina

I will be the first to condemn the destruction of any church. If you look at the number of churches built by the orthodox church in proportion to the members in the Kosovo community one can clearly see that the churches being erected were for the purpose of claiming territory from 1980 and on to the present day and giving the impression that Kosovo is part of Serbia. There are books on this showing the systematic development of erecting churches in the territory.
(kiko, 5 November 2015 17:51)

Kiko,
I, also, condemn the destruction of any type of religious structure, no matter the denomination. I agree that the reason the Serbs built so many new Orthodox churches in Kosova, beginning in the 1980's, was to attempt to claim the territory, regardless of the fact that there were not enough Serbs living in Kosova to support and fill those churches. It reminds me of when my dog goes around our neighborhood peeing on trees and fire hydrants to mark what he thinks is his territory, exclusively, and thereby notifying other dogs they are trespassing. I hope this analogy enlighten the serb readers on this site.

think again

pre 8 godina

Croats and serbs were forced to rebuild those mosques by the so called international community, Albanians and Bosnians can do what they want due to arab petrodollars.
(salmanrushdie, 5 November 2015 18:55)
I know of no mosque in Kosovo that was rebuilt by Serbs, nor any of the thousands of homes they burnt to the ground.

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

Instagram is no different to the BBC...

During the yugoslav wars in the 90s the BBC wanted to show the world what was going on in Bosnia... Subsequently they sent journalists in to record the carnage... what happened next will amaze you...

The BBC hired a bosnian muslim to guide them to some villages which the Serbs destroyed... after filming one of the villages the bosniam muslim man ask the BBC "now would you like me to take you to some serbian villages which were destroyed by muslims", the BBC journalists said NO, they were only there to film what the Serbs had done...

Instagram is the same, they only show images of what the Serbs have done...

What would your country do if a minority started attacking your police officers with high powered military equipment, such as was done to Serb police in kosovo... well the police are not very well armed, you must send in an army to defeat the terrorists, just as syria and iraq is doing as I write this comment...

Instagram is a terrorist supporting organization and its founders should be arrested for such a crime, instagram is covering up terrorist crimes which were commited against Serbian cultural sights and the people..

No wonder instagram and google is banned in China, they only show one side of the story, just like the BBC... spreading pure propaganda, your an idiot if you believe western mass media, along with their crony websites such as instagram. ...

remember Iraq had weapons of mass destruction...

UZpyrros

pre 8 godina

Serbia destroyed over 2,700 items of cultural and archaeological value within kosovo besides the Catholic Churches that were damaged by Serbia.

And when you build a Church so to anchor a fake history upon a land its no longer a church just a bunch of block that must tumble down

Just a note

pre 8 godina

Of course you tube which has most everything has removed the 3rd part of the trnovo video in which it shows the inhumane murder of Bosnian Muslim young men and boys for the entertainment of Serb paramilitary.
Because it violates even their rules of what is viewable.

rote

pre 8 godina

Both Christianity and Islam were born in Russia and since 1370 Christianity became the single official faith of the Great Horde(Mongol-Tataria). Before 16 century Islam existed only as a part of the Orthodox Christianity and this is why it became so ascetic. Muslims freely prayed in our churches that are still topped not only with crosses but the half-moons too.

http://sobory.ru/pic/02000/02011_20110317_072645.jpg
http://content.foto.mail.ru/list/skiph/_blogs/i-267.jpg
http://sokrovennik.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/krest-svet.jpg
http://azbyka.ru/parkhomenko/foto/fotos/fotor1541.jpg
http://sobory.ru/pic/03500/03537_20070612_212645.jpg
http://s019.radikal.ru/i614/1203/25/db6b2c1a38c8.jpg
http://www.hrono.ru/img/hramy/bol_krest.jpg

After the split of the empire in late 16 century Islam became state religion of one of the Hordes later called the Ottomans. The first documented mosques in the world can be found on the famous French map of Istanbul dated 1572. All those churches initially had been Orthodox Churches while before 1702 all the Sultans and Padishahs were still being burried in accordance with the Orthodox Church rules.

Мир Вам (salam aleikum) was the only way Jesus greeted people. And when tortured he prayed to God as “Или, Или, неужто ты оставил меня?” but in the ancient Russian Paleja book (that I trust most) you will also find another version of the episode where “Ili Ili” is replaced with “Ala Ala” …

Bujari

pre 8 godina

Serbia is doing an very negative campaign against Kosovo and its people fueling hatred. this stirring of hatred it should be the strongest argument of Kosova to be admitted to UNESCO; but this life is not fair and the government of Kosovo is incompetent for this job. What kind of normalization we can develop, when the president of Serbia,the Government, the Orthodox Church and all other your institution are trying to prevent Kosovo's membership in UNESCO through incitement of hatred. Aloo, what is this hysterical hatred and propaganda. Ejj you've ruled Kosovo for about 100 years and during this time you have killed and displaced hundreds of thousands of Albanians from their homes.In Turkey today live millions of Albanian displaced from toplica and other surrounding provinces in Serbia. Your academy of sciences during this time has written some memos on how to disappear Albanians, how to solve their problem permanently.In the last war the Serbian army and police killed more than 12,000 thousand Albaniansin Kosovo, most of them were civilians. Why so soon you forgot Srebrenica. Now from a 6-day dissatisfaction of a spontaneous demonstration in Kosovo,that was not known who organized (where Serbian churches were destroyed),you are trying to turn history back.even today 95% of Kosovo's Albanians not agree for destroying of Serbian churches that happen at 2004.GOD HELP KOSOVO AND OUR REGION FROM THIS KIND OF PROPAGANDA AND HATRED

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

The same way the Serbian orthodox church doesn't recognize the macedonian orthodox church. It needs to have a foot in the door just in case things turn in its favor.
(kiko, 5 November 2015 17:51)

Really? Patrichiate Bartholomew in Istanbul and the entire Orthodox Church does not recognize the so called Macedonian Autocephalus Orthodox Church and that would include the Albanian Orthodox. Nice to to paint a false story pulling ideas from the air like the rest of your Albanian compatriots.

agron

pre 8 godina

Serbia destroyed over 2700 objects of cultural value of archaeological





Institute for War Crimes Investigation, has inaugurated the three books which are presented the crimes committed by Serbian forces in Kosovo during the war.

In these three volumes presented a large number of people missing, destroyed monuments and killings in Kosovo, reports Klan Kosova.

On this occasion, the head of the Institute Ismet Salihu, said that Serbia had genocidal intent in Kosovo and added that this is evidenced by the massacres as she Meha, Likoshan of Racak, and mass graves. Serbia's genocidal action was said to have made culturally which has destroyed over 2700 cultural objects of archaeological value.

Navi

pre 8 godina

Albanian crimes against humanity are indeed disturbing content. But they shouldn't be hidden. The truth needs to come out about these people and their habits.

throughthisagain

pre 8 godina

LK, war has been over for 20 years, show one single evidence that serbs for the past five years have vandalize or destroyed a mosque. Izetbegovic and Thaci declared a jihad which means that Albanians and Bosnians wont stop until every serb is destroyed. Khomeini declared a jihad on that author who still is under heavy security.

salmanrushdie

pre 8 godina

Croats and serbs were forced to rebuild those mosques by the so called international community, Albanians and Bosnians can do what they want due to arab petrodollars.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 8 godina

Disturbing Content? Not too disturbing to USA, England, Germany, International Community, Roman Catholic Empire, Vatican when Islamic terrorist, Croatian Ustase, German Nazi's rape, torture, rob, displace and murder Eastern Orthodox Christianity in Europe? You see my Serbian Brothers and Sisters how Satan wants the world to look away and turn a blind eye at our innocent blood and tears! This is the power of " The Final Solution " the campaign that Hitler began in the 1930's " Isolation, Demonization and Extermination ' of all Jewish and all Eastern Orthodox Christianity in the world! You still think some of my Serbian brothers and Sisters that I am out of touch? Just open your eyes and your ears and most important your brains and your hearts to understand the situation our Serbia is in today. Serbia for ages stood tall and proud but the last hundred or so years we are slipping down a steep slope if we don't grab onto the branch of salvation! Salvation and Redemption is only ours that we choose to accept it! The Devils evil tongue must be cut off, the demonization by Satan of our ancient and sacred heritage must end now!

Religion of man is peace

pre 8 godina

On the other hand, the KLA terrorists have yet to rebuild 1 of the 150 Serbian Orthodox churches razed to the ground. Right now, Albanians are threatening to take over a Serbian Orthodox Pristina church on false grounds of invalid permits.
(Jugoslavija, 5 November 2015 17:23)

In Kosovo they just built a Catholic church in center of Prishtina, Serbs in 1997 started to build a church even though it was University of Prishtina land and most of population of Prishtina MAJORITY of Albanians did not want it.

Sorry but this is Serbias MO go and build churches same was done in Gjakove/Djakovica where 99.8% of people are Albanians but they build it with force. Oh and there is a Serbian Church there still what is known as Serbian Street.

Sorry if people do not want it you can to have it, Milosevic build things without care for residents as Serbia always wanted Kosovo without its people. Just come get them and move them to Serbia or keep them here and make sure your priest dont preach hate.

Postponement is what Serbia is asking which is crazy unless you come and get them they will be in Kosovo forever!!!

the truth

pre 8 godina

There is no such thing as , dislocated University of Prishtina in Kosovska Mitrovica. You guys are day dreamers and I feel sorry for your lack of knowledge about life in general. Good luck with your dreams.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

How many mosques were destroyed in Bosnia from 92-95? Is Serbia not part of UNESCO because of actions of a few extremists? Is Croatia part of UNESCO? They destroyed Stari Most in Mostar.
(LK, 5 November 2015 17:08) #

The difference is that the Croatians helped rebuild Stari-Most in Mostar although they try to blame the Serbs for destroying it. The Bosnian Serbs also helped rebuild Feradija Mosque in Banja, Luka. The Serbian state rebuilt the Mosque in Belgrade after it was damaged by Serbian demonstrations in response to the destruction of churches in Kosovo.

On the other hand, the KLA terrorists have yet to rebuild 1 of the 150 Serbian Orthodox churches razed to the ground. Right now, Albanians are threatening to take over a Serbian Orthodox Pristina church on false grounds of invalid permits.

The Albanians have shown no interest in maintaining and protecting the Serbian Orthodox Holy sites, quite the opposite, they want the complete destruction of all sites to wipe out any trace of Serbs in Kosovo.

robert1899

pre 8 godina

LK,

In order to compare Serbia's membership in UNESCO to kosovo's* request for membership is to ask how many mosque's were destroyed by Serbs in Serbia during the Balkan wars? the answer is ZERO. Hell, the albanians attacked the very UNESCO heritage sites they promise to protect. I'm sorry, but actions speak louder than words!!

kiko

pre 8 godina

I will be the first to condemn the destruction of any church. If you look at the number of churches built by the orthodox church in proportion to the members in the Kosovo community one can clearly see that the churches being erected were for the purpose of claiming territory from 1980 and on to the present day and giving the impression that Kosovo is part of Serbia. There are books on this showing the systematic development of erecting churches in the territory. The same way the Serbian orthodox church doesn't recognize the macedonian orthodox church. It needs to have a foot in the door just in case things turn in its favor.

No one mentions the catholic churches or mosques destroyed in Kosovo during the war. And its nice how the students relate the incident of 2004 to ISIS as if Albanians were terrorists. Yet they totally ignore that there are as many fighters in ISIS from Serbia proper. If your going to tell the truth tell the entire truth not partial truths otherwise your not telling any truth at all but selling propaganda.

Yes it is shameful that churches were damaged and in some rare cases destroyed. Yes serbia claims they were all destroyed and rarely mentions damaged ones. This is to hype the fact that to a person who's never been there or heard of Kosovo they will assume that the churches don't exist. And funds have gone to repair them but the orthodox church refused such funds from Kosovo institutions and it still sits there for the use of repair.

LK

pre 8 godina

How many mosques were destroyed in Bosnia from 92-95? Is Serbia not part of UNESCO because of actions of a few extremists? Is Croatia part of UNESCO? They destroyed Stari Most in Mostar.

Stan

pre 8 godina

Lk, I have been to Bosnia recently and can tell you there are mosques, old and new, everywhere in rs. How many orthodox churches left in the federation?

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

How many mosques were destroyed in Bosnia from 92-95? Is Serbia not part of UNESCO because of actions of a few extremists? Is Croatia part of UNESCO? They destroyed Stari Most in Mostar.
(LK, 5 November 2015 17:08) #

The difference is that the Croatians helped rebuild Stari-Most in Mostar although they try to blame the Serbs for destroying it. The Bosnian Serbs also helped rebuild Feradija Mosque in Banja, Luka. The Serbian state rebuilt the Mosque in Belgrade after it was damaged by Serbian demonstrations in response to the destruction of churches in Kosovo.

On the other hand, the KLA terrorists have yet to rebuild 1 of the 150 Serbian Orthodox churches razed to the ground. Right now, Albanians are threatening to take over a Serbian Orthodox Pristina church on false grounds of invalid permits.

The Albanians have shown no interest in maintaining and protecting the Serbian Orthodox Holy sites, quite the opposite, they want the complete destruction of all sites to wipe out any trace of Serbs in Kosovo.

Stan

pre 8 godina

Lk, I have been to Bosnia recently and can tell you there are mosques, old and new, everywhere in rs. How many orthodox churches left in the federation?

robert1899

pre 8 godina

LK,

In order to compare Serbia's membership in UNESCO to kosovo's* request for membership is to ask how many mosque's were destroyed by Serbs in Serbia during the Balkan wars? the answer is ZERO. Hell, the albanians attacked the very UNESCO heritage sites they promise to protect. I'm sorry, but actions speak louder than words!!

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 8 godina

Disturbing Content? Not too disturbing to USA, England, Germany, International Community, Roman Catholic Empire, Vatican when Islamic terrorist, Croatian Ustase, German Nazi's rape, torture, rob, displace and murder Eastern Orthodox Christianity in Europe? You see my Serbian Brothers and Sisters how Satan wants the world to look away and turn a blind eye at our innocent blood and tears! This is the power of " The Final Solution " the campaign that Hitler began in the 1930's " Isolation, Demonization and Extermination ' of all Jewish and all Eastern Orthodox Christianity in the world! You still think some of my Serbian brothers and Sisters that I am out of touch? Just open your eyes and your ears and most important your brains and your hearts to understand the situation our Serbia is in today. Serbia for ages stood tall and proud but the last hundred or so years we are slipping down a steep slope if we don't grab onto the branch of salvation! Salvation and Redemption is only ours that we choose to accept it! The Devils evil tongue must be cut off, the demonization by Satan of our ancient and sacred heritage must end now!

throughthisagain

pre 8 godina

LK, war has been over for 20 years, show one single evidence that serbs for the past five years have vandalize or destroyed a mosque. Izetbegovic and Thaci declared a jihad which means that Albanians and Bosnians wont stop until every serb is destroyed. Khomeini declared a jihad on that author who still is under heavy security.

salmanrushdie

pre 8 godina

Croats and serbs were forced to rebuild those mosques by the so called international community, Albanians and Bosnians can do what they want due to arab petrodollars.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

The same way the Serbian orthodox church doesn't recognize the macedonian orthodox church. It needs to have a foot in the door just in case things turn in its favor.
(kiko, 5 November 2015 17:51)

Really? Patrichiate Bartholomew in Istanbul and the entire Orthodox Church does not recognize the so called Macedonian Autocephalus Orthodox Church and that would include the Albanian Orthodox. Nice to to paint a false story pulling ideas from the air like the rest of your Albanian compatriots.

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

Instagram is no different to the BBC...

During the yugoslav wars in the 90s the BBC wanted to show the world what was going on in Bosnia... Subsequently they sent journalists in to record the carnage... what happened next will amaze you...

The BBC hired a bosnian muslim to guide them to some villages which the Serbs destroyed... after filming one of the villages the bosniam muslim man ask the BBC "now would you like me to take you to some serbian villages which were destroyed by muslims", the BBC journalists said NO, they were only there to film what the Serbs had done...

Instagram is the same, they only show images of what the Serbs have done...

What would your country do if a minority started attacking your police officers with high powered military equipment, such as was done to Serb police in kosovo... well the police are not very well armed, you must send in an army to defeat the terrorists, just as syria and iraq is doing as I write this comment...

Instagram is a terrorist supporting organization and its founders should be arrested for such a crime, instagram is covering up terrorist crimes which were commited against Serbian cultural sights and the people..

No wonder instagram and google is banned in China, they only show one side of the story, just like the BBC... spreading pure propaganda, your an idiot if you believe western mass media, along with their crony websites such as instagram. ...

remember Iraq had weapons of mass destruction...

Navi

pre 8 godina

Albanian crimes against humanity are indeed disturbing content. But they shouldn't be hidden. The truth needs to come out about these people and their habits.

Amanaparts

pre 8 godina

Fatman

if you talk about documents there is only one way to do it.

Prove it or it didnt happen. In this case. Link or it didnt happen.

Joni

pre 8 godina

All this campaign with this kind of "language" against ALL THE ALBANIAN NATION will just turn in "boomerang" against SERBS.
I'm sure on that!
So i'm relaxed.

Joni

pre 8 godina

Albanian crimes against humanity are indeed disturbing content. But they shouldn't be hidden. The truth needs to come out about these people and their habits.
(Navi, 5 November 2015 19:40)

Albanian "CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY"?????
Are you talking to yourself or what?
Tell us a little about your habits, like those below for example.
Somebody should make a film on this scenario, so all the world must see the truth face of Serbs.

http://wap.b92.rs/eng/news/crimes.php?yyyy=2015&mm=08&dd=17&nav_id=95120

kiko

pre 8 godina

Jugo,
Let me get this right: because the Greek orthodox church doesn't recognize Macedonia's church that automatically means Serbia should not recognize it? The fact that the Greeks don't recognize it is because of territorial ambitions which they've clearly stated in their issue with Macedonia's name. Macedonia and Serbia were a part of 1 country called Yugoslavia. The reason why Macedonia was saved from war was a) not many serbs there b) very poor republic with a lot of economic issues.
I'm again astonished at how so many focus on just the churches and no 1 mentions the education, culture, & science part of UNESCO. It is not simply about a few monuments. And who protected the churches when our common enemy the Ottomans controlled the territory for 500+ years. It wasn't Serbs.
Serbia's stance is purely political as the entrance into UNESCO would solidify & help Kosovo gain new recognition's & boost its stance in the world community. Also if admitted, Serbia will lose any leverage in negotiations during the Belgrade-Prishtina talks. It will not be able to ask/demand international guarantees that Kosovo would be held accountable for.
If Serbs were genuinely so interested in K&M they would actually visit it, settle there, invest in it, etc. This never happened prior to the wars & any investment never was allocated properly but swindled by communist party members in K&M and Belgrade and this caused resentment from the republics of Croatia and Slovenia.

eric

pre 8 godina

The 10 years long dirty war of Serbia in Balkan makes accountable and responsible the Serb Nation for:
1 Genocide. 2 Terrorism. 3 Mass Murders. 4 Tortures. 5 Rapes. 6 Mass Destruction. 7 Kidnapping. 8 Looting and Robbery … the list is too long.

LK

pre 8 godina

How many mosques were destroyed in Bosnia from 92-95? Is Serbia not part of UNESCO because of actions of a few extremists? Is Croatia part of UNESCO? They destroyed Stari Most in Mostar.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Disturbing Serbian lies. I guess Srebrenica massacre has no chance to be shown.
(Avni, 5 November 2015 21:38)

Yes, the Bosnian muslim massacres on unarmed Serb civilians have not been shown to the world. Over 3000 Serbs massacred and killed by Nasir Oric just in and around Srebrinica.

http://en.europenews.dk/Naser-Nasir-Oric-Srebrenica-War-Criminal-detailed-list-of-his-attacks-on-Christians-80676.html

agron

pre 8 godina

Serbia destroyed over 2700 objects of cultural value of archaeological





Institute for War Crimes Investigation, has inaugurated the three books which are presented the crimes committed by Serbian forces in Kosovo during the war.

In these three volumes presented a large number of people missing, destroyed monuments and killings in Kosovo, reports Klan Kosova.

On this occasion, the head of the Institute Ismet Salihu, said that Serbia had genocidal intent in Kosovo and added that this is evidenced by the massacres as she Meha, Likoshan of Racak, and mass graves. Serbia's genocidal action was said to have made culturally which has destroyed over 2700 cultural objects of archaeological value.

UZpyrros

pre 8 godina

Serbia destroyed over 2,700 items of cultural and archaeological value within kosovo besides the Catholic Churches that were damaged by Serbia.

And when you build a Church so to anchor a fake history upon a land its no longer a church just a bunch of block that must tumble down

the truth

pre 8 godina

There is no such thing as , dislocated University of Prishtina in Kosovska Mitrovica. You guys are day dreamers and I feel sorry for your lack of knowledge about life in general. Good luck with your dreams.

kiko

pre 8 godina

I will be the first to condemn the destruction of any church. If you look at the number of churches built by the orthodox church in proportion to the members in the Kosovo community one can clearly see that the churches being erected were for the purpose of claiming territory from 1980 and on to the present day and giving the impression that Kosovo is part of Serbia. There are books on this showing the systematic development of erecting churches in the territory. The same way the Serbian orthodox church doesn't recognize the macedonian orthodox church. It needs to have a foot in the door just in case things turn in its favor.

No one mentions the catholic churches or mosques destroyed in Kosovo during the war. And its nice how the students relate the incident of 2004 to ISIS as if Albanians were terrorists. Yet they totally ignore that there are as many fighters in ISIS from Serbia proper. If your going to tell the truth tell the entire truth not partial truths otherwise your not telling any truth at all but selling propaganda.

Yes it is shameful that churches were damaged and in some rare cases destroyed. Yes serbia claims they were all destroyed and rarely mentions damaged ones. This is to hype the fact that to a person who's never been there or heard of Kosovo they will assume that the churches don't exist. And funds have gone to repair them but the orthodox church refused such funds from Kosovo institutions and it still sits there for the use of repair.

Religion of man is peace

pre 8 godina

On the other hand, the KLA terrorists have yet to rebuild 1 of the 150 Serbian Orthodox churches razed to the ground. Right now, Albanians are threatening to take over a Serbian Orthodox Pristina church on false grounds of invalid permits.
(Jugoslavija, 5 November 2015 17:23)

In Kosovo they just built a Catholic church in center of Prishtina, Serbs in 1997 started to build a church even though it was University of Prishtina land and most of population of Prishtina MAJORITY of Albanians did not want it.

Sorry but this is Serbias MO go and build churches same was done in Gjakove/Djakovica where 99.8% of people are Albanians but they build it with force. Oh and there is a Serbian Church there still what is known as Serbian Street.

Sorry if people do not want it you can to have it, Milosevic build things without care for residents as Serbia always wanted Kosovo without its people. Just come get them and move them to Serbia or keep them here and make sure your priest dont preach hate.

Postponement is what Serbia is asking which is crazy unless you come and get them they will be in Kosovo forever!!!

Just a note

pre 8 godina

Of course you tube which has most everything has removed the 3rd part of the trnovo video in which it shows the inhumane murder of Bosnian Muslim young men and boys for the entertainment of Serb paramilitary.
Because it violates even their rules of what is viewable.

cry me a river

pre 8 godina

Both Christianity and Islam were born in Russia...
(rote,

Yes, of course, everything originated in Russia, or Greece. I forget.

just a note

pre 8 godina

I wouldn't be surprised if the Serbian orthodox churches pull out of UNESCO
(factman, 6 November 2015 05:11)
Would be appropriate considering the part they played in the Milosevic reign of terror.
But remember they were admitted due to their unique architecture not what happened inside and outside the walls.

Bujari

pre 8 godina

Serbia is doing an very negative campaign against Kosovo and its people fueling hatred. this stirring of hatred it should be the strongest argument of Kosova to be admitted to UNESCO; but this life is not fair and the government of Kosovo is incompetent for this job. What kind of normalization we can develop, when the president of Serbia,the Government, the Orthodox Church and all other your institution are trying to prevent Kosovo's membership in UNESCO through incitement of hatred. Aloo, what is this hysterical hatred and propaganda. Ejj you've ruled Kosovo for about 100 years and during this time you have killed and displaced hundreds of thousands of Albanians from their homes.In Turkey today live millions of Albanian displaced from toplica and other surrounding provinces in Serbia. Your academy of sciences during this time has written some memos on how to disappear Albanians, how to solve their problem permanently.In the last war the Serbian army and police killed more than 12,000 thousand Albaniansin Kosovo, most of them were civilians. Why so soon you forgot Srebrenica. Now from a 6-day dissatisfaction of a spontaneous demonstration in Kosovo,that was not known who organized (where Serbian churches were destroyed),you are trying to turn history back.even today 95% of Kosovo's Albanians not agree for destroying of Serbian churches that happen at 2004.GOD HELP KOSOVO AND OUR REGION FROM THIS KIND OF PROPAGANDA AND HATRED

just a note

pre 8 godina

just a note,

you should not avoid your complicity in creating milosevic (especially your behaviour during the 1967-1985 years) as is documented in the n.y. times.
(factman, 6 November 2015 14:47)
Have no idea what you are talking about but if there were support before he became a murdering butcher is one thing but the priests supported his actions after they knew what he was, and apparently you do too!

You deserve what they got.

pre 8 godina

ead it.
(Factman, 7 November 2015 02:47)
Of course you conveniently forgot to mention that these articles were written about one of the tightest communist controlled countries of the world. No reporter was allowed into Yugoslavia to report the truth, they were allowed there to tell the story that the communist regime wanted the world to hear.
Do you see actual truthful journalism reporting the situation inside North Korea? No and you did not see it coming out of Yugoslavia either. It was not until the west sent spies into Yugo that the real stories started coming out.
How can you seriously try to tell people that with Serbian military present, Serbian police and judiciary. All Albanians thrown out of office, the schools closed, any Albanians forced out of their jobs and yet the Albanians were driving Serbs out.
To spread such propaganda makes you no better than Milosevic himself, you pretend to be a moderate person but your goal is to justify what was done and to try to make the world think that the Albanians deserved it.
May you and your children endure for 2 months what any nonSerb in Yugo had to endure under the Serbs and Milosevic. Maybe you could then have a clear picture of right and wrong.

factman

pre 8 godina

This UNESCO thing has pretty much guaranteed that:

1. The Serbian people will never, ever vote to recognize Kosovo (no matter what German bullsh#t comes down the road.

2. Belgrade will deliberately impede Kosovo's progress at every step (no matter what German bullsh#t comes down the road.

I figure this just added another 8-10 years of frozen time.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Serbian orthodox churches pull out of UNESCO

factman

pre 8 godina

just a note,

you should not avoid your complicity in creating milosevic (especially your behaviour during the 1967-1985 years) as is documented in the n.y. times.

factman

pre 8 godina

Just a note,

.... and because 1,2, or 3 (or how many ever) Orthodox priests did what you say, you have labelled all of them evil (and me too, yet I was only 13 years old). YOU ARE CLEARLY A RACIST.

Unfortunately, you are not an intelligent racist because you do not understand the word complicity. Let me explain for your feable mind (feable means not too strong by the way). I am saying that the Kosovo Albanians and their behaviour from 1965-1990's created the Milosevic they got. Read and educate yourself you idiot:

Kosovo Albanina behavior pre-Milosevic:
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/benworks/1980news.html

By the way, your writing is atricious. Go back to school.

Factman

pre 8 godina

Here you go AmanaParts

31 articles by the NY times and Washington Post and other major American newspapers documenting The Kosovo Albanian behavior many years before Milosevic even came to power.

Pre-Milosevic Kosovo: http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/benworks/1980news.html

You guys are complicit in creating Milosevic. Your behavior and the behavior of other republics created him.

It's all there in black and white and freely available to read for those who care to know a more thorough picture.

You guys clearly wanted the land without Serbs on it.

Read it.

The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

By the way, your writing is atricious. Go back to school.
(factman, 7 November 2015 02:40)

This is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I believe the word you are trying to use is spelled ATROCIOUS. Do you even know what it means?

rote

pre 8 godina

cry me a river : Yes, of course, everything originated in Russia, or Greece. I forget.

Don’t be a cynic and just think about it :

1/ In 572 Pope Gregory during calendar reforms added another 1000 years to our history. So instead of I572 (Iisus572) or j572 (Jesus572) it turned into 1572. If you ask I can find you old documents and pictures dated in the pre-Gregorian stile. In fact the difference was from 1000 to 1100 years concerning the history of Europe/Rome and some 1800 years when it came to the ‘ancient” Greece while only 330 years were shifted in the history of Byzantine. Remember these figures as they coordinate well to one another.

2/ For me the darkest part of history is the Byzantine because all books were stolen to Vatican by Pope Nicolas V in 1448. Who exactly were the Latins in Tsar Grad/Jerusalem? Did the Armenian Angel dynasty (who killed Jesus) belong to the Latins (Ladins) or not? Why the Jews deny their big colony in Jerusalem? Which of the two Jewish languages (Ladino and Idish) appeared first ? Did Jesus speak Armenian or Arameian when both of them were written as ARM ?

3/ Also I have big problems to find border between the Golden Horde (Iran, Central Asia, India) and the Severskaya Zemlia (Ottomans. How came that they both chose Islam? Which of them Islamized Indochina and Indonesia? Why China wasn’t Islamised or Buddized? Why Japan was buddized? Where Russian Indians were running when Yankees started to buy their Cossack scalps?

Ect.ect.

icj1

pre 8 godina

and because 1,2, or 3 (or how many ever) Orthodox priests did what you say, you have labelled all of them evil (and me too, yet I was only 13 years old). YOU ARE CLEARLY A RACIST.
(factman, 7 November 2015 02:40)

I can't agree more with the logic above. So, by the same token, the Serbian Orthodox "Priest" in-Chief is also clearly a racist for making the statement below:

"The head of the SPC added that the Serb heritage is now supposed to be entrusted to a people, i.e., Albanians, "who during the entire course of their history set our holy places on fire."

Since because of 1,2, or 3 (or how many ever) individuals setting on fire some places, he labelled a people during the entire course of history as setting on fire holy places!

rote

pre 8 godina

Both Christianity and Islam were born in Russia and since 1370 Christianity became the single official faith of the Great Horde(Mongol-Tataria). Before 16 century Islam existed only as a part of the Orthodox Christianity and this is why it became so ascetic. Muslims freely prayed in our churches that are still topped not only with crosses but the half-moons too.

http://sobory.ru/pic/02000/02011_20110317_072645.jpg
http://content.foto.mail.ru/list/skiph/_blogs/i-267.jpg
http://sokrovennik.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/krest-svet.jpg
http://azbyka.ru/parkhomenko/foto/fotos/fotor1541.jpg
http://sobory.ru/pic/03500/03537_20070612_212645.jpg
http://s019.radikal.ru/i614/1203/25/db6b2c1a38c8.jpg
http://www.hrono.ru/img/hramy/bol_krest.jpg

After the split of the empire in late 16 century Islam became state religion of one of the Hordes later called the Ottomans. The first documented mosques in the world can be found on the famous French map of Istanbul dated 1572. All those churches initially had been Orthodox Churches while before 1702 all the Sultans and Padishahs were still being burried in accordance with the Orthodox Church rules.

Мир Вам (salam aleikum) was the only way Jesus greeted people. And when tortured he prayed to God as “Или, Или, неужто ты оставил меня?” but in the ancient Russian Paleja book (that I trust most) you will also find another version of the episode where “Ili Ili” is replaced with “Ala Ala” …

think again

pre 8 godina

Croats and serbs were forced to rebuild those mosques by the so called international community, Albanians and Bosnians can do what they want due to arab petrodollars.
(salmanrushdie, 5 November 2015 18:55)
I know of no mosque in Kosovo that was rebuilt by Serbs, nor any of the thousands of homes they burnt to the ground.

Albanian Orthodox KLA

pre 8 godina

I will be the first to condemn the destruction of any church. If you look at the number of churches built by the orthodox church in proportion to the members in the Kosovo community one can clearly see that the churches being erected were for the purpose of claiming territory from 1980 and on to the present day and giving the impression that Kosovo is part of Serbia. There are books on this showing the systematic development of erecting churches in the territory.
(kiko, 5 November 2015 17:51)

Kiko,
I, also, condemn the destruction of any type of religious structure, no matter the denomination. I agree that the reason the Serbs built so many new Orthodox churches in Kosova, beginning in the 1980's, was to attempt to claim the territory, regardless of the fact that there were not enough Serbs living in Kosova to support and fill those churches. It reminds me of when my dog goes around our neighborhood peeing on trees and fire hydrants to mark what he thinks is his territory, exclusively, and thereby notifying other dogs they are trespassing. I hope this analogy enlighten the serb readers on this site.

Roger7

pre 8 godina

kiko said "Let me get this right: because the Greek orthodox church doesn't recognize Macedonia's church that automatically means Serbia should not recognize it?"

You need to educate yourself as to why all worldwide canonical Eastern Orthodox Churches do not recognize nor are in communion with the non-canonical Macedonian Orthodox Church.

Amanaparts

pre 8 godina

The links seems a little odd because its they are not actual links to NYTimes but its ok. If you read the articles, you`ll see that those articles are not backing your argument. Instead they prove that the crisis and protest evolved due to a demand for more autonomie and that Kosovo was not only mismanaged but also discriminated. The articles even state that there where over 80% ethnic albanians in that region.

Thnx for the list. These articles prove only why Kosovo could never stay with Yugoslavia/Serbia and never will again.

just a note

pre 8 godina

By the way, your writing is atricious. Go back to school.
(factman, 7 November 2015 02:40)
I think that was meant to be atrocious but doesn't matter. Why should I go back to school to impress you? Number 1, I am writing for a bunch of people who English is a second language, and second I start typing and apparently LIKE YOU I do not bother with spell check or grammar check. You seem to have a lot in common with sj, telling people they need to take remedial English, or go back to school, and when you do not have a valid argument you start the personal attacks like "idiot" and "feeble mind". It does not work with me. You have to be a little insecure in your position to be put down. Me, I just laugh it off as a desperate Serb who showed up at the party wearing a costume, when it wasn't a masquerade party.
I do not directly blame you for the actual deaths and violence committed but I blame you for your defense of the actions and the inference that Albanians deserved what happened to them. I see very little in the sin.
As far as the priests, Serbia is and was heavily controlled by the Church, the leaders of the Orthodox had the ability to condemn what Milosevic was doing and a large majority would have felt a moral obligation to stop it, but since they approved the actions people felt they had a blessing from God.
Maybe you should learn about the damage those you hold high did to others.

factman

pre 8 godina

You clearly see what you want to see. Funny how you gloss right over the organized terrorization of the Serb minority and do not mention that. It also clearly shows a pre-ordained effort to rip the land away and push all Serbs off over numerous years.

Tightly controlled communist country?!? That's really funny. It was the most liberal of all communist countries with free travel to the West for all who wanted it. It had a market economy. Don't make me laugh. Please. Learn the facts. the tightest controlled communist country was in Albania. The least controlled was in Yugoslavia. Why do you think they all came over the border from Hoxha-land?

All this was planned over the course of 30 years. There is nothing innocent about this movement.

Nikola novakovic

pre 8 godina

Is it ISIS, or Osama bin laden, it must be al queda, no it's the islamist Albanians which attacked christian buildings... The KLA jihadists...

The KLA islamist group was founded in the early 1990s during a backlash against Serbian efforts to eliminate ethnic Albanian islamist political influence inside the former Yugoslavia.

President Bill Clinton's special envoy to the Balkans, Robert Gelbard, described the KLA as, "without any questions, a terrorist group." The KLA engaged in tit-for-tat attacks with Serbian nationalists in Kosovo, reprisals against ethnic Albanians who "collaborated" with the Serbian government, and bombed police stations and cafes known to be frequented by Serb officials, killing innocent civilians in the process.

Most of its activities were funded by drug running as a result of its special relationship with afghan drug lords and Osama bin laden...

icj1

pre 8 godina

You guys are complicit in creating Milosevic. Your behavior and the behavior of other republics created him.
(Factman, 7 November 2015 02:47)

So the Serbs (who are proud, independent, macho, don't suck anybody, etc, etc etc...) could not independently find a leader, but put as a leader somebody created by the enemies of Serbdom!!! You're making a very traitorous and unpatriotic statement mate :)

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Since because of 1,2, or 3 (or how many ever) individuals setting on fire some places, he labelled a people during the entire course of history as setting on fire holy places!
(icj1, 7 November 2015 14:47)

Learning how to count again mate, just don't do it in public? Don't worry, the Orthodox Church and the western world is well aware of the Albanian extremists who light holy places on fire and then continue more barbaric acts like desecrating graves.

0http://orthodoxrights.org/category/serbiahttp://religion.info/english/articles/article_48.shtml#.Vj954Ld0zIU

In Albanian itself, attacks on the Albanian Orthodox Churchhttp://orthodoxrights.org/category/albania

Can you ride your tricycle to Albania to see the destruction of Albanian Orthodox Churches?

icj1

pre 8 godina

Since because of 1,2, or 3 (or how many ever) individuals setting on fire some places, he labelled a people during the entire course of history as setting on fire holy places!
(icj1, 7 November 2015 14:47)

Learning how to count again mate, just don't do it in public?
(Jugoslavija, 8 November 2015 17:42)

Why not do that in public? You don't trust factman's counting?!
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Don't worry, the Orthodox Church and the western world is well aware of the Albanian extremists who light holy places on fire and then continue more barbaric acts like desecrating graves.
(Jugoslavija, 8 November 2015 17:42)

Even if we assume that is true, "Albanian extremists" are not the same thing as a people, the Albanians. The same way that I don't consider some members of the VRS who committed genocide in Srebrenica as being the same as a people, the Serbs.
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Can you ride your tricycle to Albania to see the destruction of Albanian Orthodox Churches?
(Jugoslavija, 8 November 2015 17:42)

For what purpose should I do that and waste my time and money?! I know already that most religious buildings of all faiths were destroyed by the communist regime in Albania based on the teachings of their idol, comrade Stalin, who did the same in the Soviet Union in the 1920' - 30's. For the communist regime there was only one "God", the dictator himself and there was only one "church"/"mosque", the communist party!

kiko

pre 8 godina

I will be the first to condemn the destruction of any church. If you look at the number of churches built by the orthodox church in proportion to the members in the Kosovo community one can clearly see that the churches being erected were for the purpose of claiming territory from 1980 and on to the present day and giving the impression that Kosovo is part of Serbia. There are books on this showing the systematic development of erecting churches in the territory. The same way the Serbian orthodox church doesn't recognize the macedonian orthodox church. It needs to have a foot in the door just in case things turn in its favor.

No one mentions the catholic churches or mosques destroyed in Kosovo during the war. And its nice how the students relate the incident of 2004 to ISIS as if Albanians were terrorists. Yet they totally ignore that there are as many fighters in ISIS from Serbia proper. If your going to tell the truth tell the entire truth not partial truths otherwise your not telling any truth at all but selling propaganda.

Yes it is shameful that churches were damaged and in some rare cases destroyed. Yes serbia claims they were all destroyed and rarely mentions damaged ones. This is to hype the fact that to a person who's never been there or heard of Kosovo they will assume that the churches don't exist. And funds have gone to repair them but the orthodox church refused such funds from Kosovo institutions and it still sits there for the use of repair.

the truth

pre 8 godina

There is no such thing as , dislocated University of Prishtina in Kosovska Mitrovica. You guys are day dreamers and I feel sorry for your lack of knowledge about life in general. Good luck with your dreams.

LK

pre 8 godina

How many mosques were destroyed in Bosnia from 92-95? Is Serbia not part of UNESCO because of actions of a few extremists? Is Croatia part of UNESCO? They destroyed Stari Most in Mostar.

Religion of man is peace

pre 8 godina

On the other hand, the KLA terrorists have yet to rebuild 1 of the 150 Serbian Orthodox churches razed to the ground. Right now, Albanians are threatening to take over a Serbian Orthodox Pristina church on false grounds of invalid permits.
(Jugoslavija, 5 November 2015 17:23)

In Kosovo they just built a Catholic church in center of Prishtina, Serbs in 1997 started to build a church even though it was University of Prishtina land and most of population of Prishtina MAJORITY of Albanians did not want it.

Sorry but this is Serbias MO go and build churches same was done in Gjakove/Djakovica where 99.8% of people are Albanians but they build it with force. Oh and there is a Serbian Church there still what is known as Serbian Street.

Sorry if people do not want it you can to have it, Milosevic build things without care for residents as Serbia always wanted Kosovo without its people. Just come get them and move them to Serbia or keep them here and make sure your priest dont preach hate.

Postponement is what Serbia is asking which is crazy unless you come and get them they will be in Kosovo forever!!!

Bujari

pre 8 godina

Serbia is doing an very negative campaign against Kosovo and its people fueling hatred. this stirring of hatred it should be the strongest argument of Kosova to be admitted to UNESCO; but this life is not fair and the government of Kosovo is incompetent for this job. What kind of normalization we can develop, when the president of Serbia,the Government, the Orthodox Church and all other your institution are trying to prevent Kosovo's membership in UNESCO through incitement of hatred. Aloo, what is this hysterical hatred and propaganda. Ejj you've ruled Kosovo for about 100 years and during this time you have killed and displaced hundreds of thousands of Albanians from their homes.In Turkey today live millions of Albanian displaced from toplica and other surrounding provinces in Serbia. Your academy of sciences during this time has written some memos on how to disappear Albanians, how to solve their problem permanently.In the last war the Serbian army and police killed more than 12,000 thousand Albaniansin Kosovo, most of them were civilians. Why so soon you forgot Srebrenica. Now from a 6-day dissatisfaction of a spontaneous demonstration in Kosovo,that was not known who organized (where Serbian churches were destroyed),you are trying to turn history back.even today 95% of Kosovo's Albanians not agree for destroying of Serbian churches that happen at 2004.GOD HELP KOSOVO AND OUR REGION FROM THIS KIND OF PROPAGANDA AND HATRED

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

How many mosques were destroyed in Bosnia from 92-95? Is Serbia not part of UNESCO because of actions of a few extremists? Is Croatia part of UNESCO? They destroyed Stari Most in Mostar.
(LK, 5 November 2015 17:08) #

The difference is that the Croatians helped rebuild Stari-Most in Mostar although they try to blame the Serbs for destroying it. The Bosnian Serbs also helped rebuild Feradija Mosque in Banja, Luka. The Serbian state rebuilt the Mosque in Belgrade after it was damaged by Serbian demonstrations in response to the destruction of churches in Kosovo.

On the other hand, the KLA terrorists have yet to rebuild 1 of the 150 Serbian Orthodox churches razed to the ground. Right now, Albanians are threatening to take over a Serbian Orthodox Pristina church on false grounds of invalid permits.

The Albanians have shown no interest in maintaining and protecting the Serbian Orthodox Holy sites, quite the opposite, they want the complete destruction of all sites to wipe out any trace of Serbs in Kosovo.

UZpyrros

pre 8 godina

Serbia destroyed over 2,700 items of cultural and archaeological value within kosovo besides the Catholic Churches that were damaged by Serbia.

And when you build a Church so to anchor a fake history upon a land its no longer a church just a bunch of block that must tumble down

agron

pre 8 godina

Serbia destroyed over 2700 objects of cultural value of archaeological





Institute for War Crimes Investigation, has inaugurated the three books which are presented the crimes committed by Serbian forces in Kosovo during the war.

In these three volumes presented a large number of people missing, destroyed monuments and killings in Kosovo, reports Klan Kosova.

On this occasion, the head of the Institute Ismet Salihu, said that Serbia had genocidal intent in Kosovo and added that this is evidenced by the massacres as she Meha, Likoshan of Racak, and mass graves. Serbia's genocidal action was said to have made culturally which has destroyed over 2700 cultural objects of archaeological value.

Joni

pre 8 godina

All this campaign with this kind of "language" against ALL THE ALBANIAN NATION will just turn in "boomerang" against SERBS.
I'm sure on that!
So i'm relaxed.

rote

pre 8 godina

Both Christianity and Islam were born in Russia and since 1370 Christianity became the single official faith of the Great Horde(Mongol-Tataria). Before 16 century Islam existed only as a part of the Orthodox Christianity and this is why it became so ascetic. Muslims freely prayed in our churches that are still topped not only with crosses but the half-moons too.

http://sobory.ru/pic/02000/02011_20110317_072645.jpg
http://content.foto.mail.ru/list/skiph/_blogs/i-267.jpg
http://sokrovennik.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/krest-svet.jpg
http://azbyka.ru/parkhomenko/foto/fotos/fotor1541.jpg
http://sobory.ru/pic/03500/03537_20070612_212645.jpg
http://s019.radikal.ru/i614/1203/25/db6b2c1a38c8.jpg
http://www.hrono.ru/img/hramy/bol_krest.jpg

After the split of the empire in late 16 century Islam became state religion of one of the Hordes later called the Ottomans. The first documented mosques in the world can be found on the famous French map of Istanbul dated 1572. All those churches initially had been Orthodox Churches while before 1702 all the Sultans and Padishahs were still being burried in accordance with the Orthodox Church rules.

Мир Вам (salam aleikum) was the only way Jesus greeted people. And when tortured he prayed to God as “Или, Или, неужто ты оставил меня?” but in the ancient Russian Paleja book (that I trust most) you will also find another version of the episode where “Ili Ili” is replaced with “Ala Ala” …

Joni

pre 8 godina

Albanian crimes against humanity are indeed disturbing content. But they shouldn't be hidden. The truth needs to come out about these people and their habits.
(Navi, 5 November 2015 19:40)

Albanian "CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY"?????
Are you talking to yourself or what?
Tell us a little about your habits, like those below for example.
Somebody should make a film on this scenario, so all the world must see the truth face of Serbs.

http://wap.b92.rs/eng/news/crimes.php?yyyy=2015&mm=08&dd=17&nav_id=95120

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Disturbing Serbian lies. I guess Srebrenica massacre has no chance to be shown.
(Avni, 5 November 2015 21:38)

Yes, the Bosnian muslim massacres on unarmed Serb civilians have not been shown to the world. Over 3000 Serbs massacred and killed by Nasir Oric just in and around Srebrinica.

http://en.europenews.dk/Naser-Nasir-Oric-Srebrenica-War-Criminal-detailed-list-of-his-attacks-on-Christians-80676.html

robert1899

pre 8 godina

LK,

In order to compare Serbia's membership in UNESCO to kosovo's* request for membership is to ask how many mosque's were destroyed by Serbs in Serbia during the Balkan wars? the answer is ZERO. Hell, the albanians attacked the very UNESCO heritage sites they promise to protect. I'm sorry, but actions speak louder than words!!

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 8 godina

Disturbing Content? Not too disturbing to USA, England, Germany, International Community, Roman Catholic Empire, Vatican when Islamic terrorist, Croatian Ustase, German Nazi's rape, torture, rob, displace and murder Eastern Orthodox Christianity in Europe? You see my Serbian Brothers and Sisters how Satan wants the world to look away and turn a blind eye at our innocent blood and tears! This is the power of " The Final Solution " the campaign that Hitler began in the 1930's " Isolation, Demonization and Extermination ' of all Jewish and all Eastern Orthodox Christianity in the world! You still think some of my Serbian brothers and Sisters that I am out of touch? Just open your eyes and your ears and most important your brains and your hearts to understand the situation our Serbia is in today. Serbia for ages stood tall and proud but the last hundred or so years we are slipping down a steep slope if we don't grab onto the branch of salvation! Salvation and Redemption is only ours that we choose to accept it! The Devils evil tongue must be cut off, the demonization by Satan of our ancient and sacred heritage must end now!

Just a note

pre 8 godina

Of course you tube which has most everything has removed the 3rd part of the trnovo video in which it shows the inhumane murder of Bosnian Muslim young men and boys for the entertainment of Serb paramilitary.
Because it violates even their rules of what is viewable.

Albanian Orthodox KLA

pre 8 godina

I will be the first to condemn the destruction of any church. If you look at the number of churches built by the orthodox church in proportion to the members in the Kosovo community one can clearly see that the churches being erected were for the purpose of claiming territory from 1980 and on to the present day and giving the impression that Kosovo is part of Serbia. There are books on this showing the systematic development of erecting churches in the territory.
(kiko, 5 November 2015 17:51)

Kiko,
I, also, condemn the destruction of any type of religious structure, no matter the denomination. I agree that the reason the Serbs built so many new Orthodox churches in Kosova, beginning in the 1980's, was to attempt to claim the territory, regardless of the fact that there were not enough Serbs living in Kosova to support and fill those churches. It reminds me of when my dog goes around our neighborhood peeing on trees and fire hydrants to mark what he thinks is his territory, exclusively, and thereby notifying other dogs they are trespassing. I hope this analogy enlighten the serb readers on this site.

eric

pre 8 godina

The 10 years long dirty war of Serbia in Balkan makes accountable and responsible the Serb Nation for:
1 Genocide. 2 Terrorism. 3 Mass Murders. 4 Tortures. 5 Rapes. 6 Mass Destruction. 7 Kidnapping. 8 Looting and Robbery … the list is too long.

just a note

pre 8 godina

I wouldn't be surprised if the Serbian orthodox churches pull out of UNESCO
(factman, 6 November 2015 05:11)
Would be appropriate considering the part they played in the Milosevic reign of terror.
But remember they were admitted due to their unique architecture not what happened inside and outside the walls.

Factman

pre 8 godina

Here you go AmanaParts

31 articles by the NY times and Washington Post and other major American newspapers documenting The Kosovo Albanian behavior many years before Milosevic even came to power.

Pre-Milosevic Kosovo: http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/benworks/1980news.html

You guys are complicit in creating Milosevic. Your behavior and the behavior of other republics created him.

It's all there in black and white and freely available to read for those who care to know a more thorough picture.

You guys clearly wanted the land without Serbs on it.

Read it.

rote

pre 8 godina

cry me a river : Yes, of course, everything originated in Russia, or Greece. I forget.

Don’t be a cynic and just think about it :

1/ In 572 Pope Gregory during calendar reforms added another 1000 years to our history. So instead of I572 (Iisus572) or j572 (Jesus572) it turned into 1572. If you ask I can find you old documents and pictures dated in the pre-Gregorian stile. In fact the difference was from 1000 to 1100 years concerning the history of Europe/Rome and some 1800 years when it came to the ‘ancient” Greece while only 330 years were shifted in the history of Byzantine. Remember these figures as they coordinate well to one another.

2/ For me the darkest part of history is the Byzantine because all books were stolen to Vatican by Pope Nicolas V in 1448. Who exactly were the Latins in Tsar Grad/Jerusalem? Did the Armenian Angel dynasty (who killed Jesus) belong to the Latins (Ladins) or not? Why the Jews deny their big colony in Jerusalem? Which of the two Jewish languages (Ladino and Idish) appeared first ? Did Jesus speak Armenian or Arameian when both of them were written as ARM ?

3/ Also I have big problems to find border between the Golden Horde (Iran, Central Asia, India) and the Severskaya Zemlia (Ottomans. How came that they both chose Islam? Which of them Islamized Indochina and Indonesia? Why China wasn’t Islamised or Buddized? Why Japan was buddized? Where Russian Indians were running when Yankees started to buy their Cossack scalps?

Ect.ect.

factman

pre 8 godina

just a note,

you should not avoid your complicity in creating milosevic (especially your behaviour during the 1967-1985 years) as is documented in the n.y. times.

Nikola novakovic

pre 8 godina

Is it ISIS, or Osama bin laden, it must be al queda, no it's the islamist Albanians which attacked christian buildings... The KLA jihadists...

The KLA islamist group was founded in the early 1990s during a backlash against Serbian efforts to eliminate ethnic Albanian islamist political influence inside the former Yugoslavia.

President Bill Clinton's special envoy to the Balkans, Robert Gelbard, described the KLA as, "without any questions, a terrorist group." The KLA engaged in tit-for-tat attacks with Serbian nationalists in Kosovo, reprisals against ethnic Albanians who "collaborated" with the Serbian government, and bombed police stations and cafes known to be frequented by Serb officials, killing innocent civilians in the process.

Most of its activities were funded by drug running as a result of its special relationship with afghan drug lords and Osama bin laden...

salmanrushdie

pre 8 godina

Croats and serbs were forced to rebuild those mosques by the so called international community, Albanians and Bosnians can do what they want due to arab petrodollars.

Navi

pre 8 godina

Albanian crimes against humanity are indeed disturbing content. But they shouldn't be hidden. The truth needs to come out about these people and their habits.

think again

pre 8 godina

Croats and serbs were forced to rebuild those mosques by the so called international community, Albanians and Bosnians can do what they want due to arab petrodollars.
(salmanrushdie, 5 November 2015 18:55)
I know of no mosque in Kosovo that was rebuilt by Serbs, nor any of the thousands of homes they burnt to the ground.

kiko

pre 8 godina

Jugo,
Let me get this right: because the Greek orthodox church doesn't recognize Macedonia's church that automatically means Serbia should not recognize it? The fact that the Greeks don't recognize it is because of territorial ambitions which they've clearly stated in their issue with Macedonia's name. Macedonia and Serbia were a part of 1 country called Yugoslavia. The reason why Macedonia was saved from war was a) not many serbs there b) very poor republic with a lot of economic issues.
I'm again astonished at how so many focus on just the churches and no 1 mentions the education, culture, & science part of UNESCO. It is not simply about a few monuments. And who protected the churches when our common enemy the Ottomans controlled the territory for 500+ years. It wasn't Serbs.
Serbia's stance is purely political as the entrance into UNESCO would solidify & help Kosovo gain new recognition's & boost its stance in the world community. Also if admitted, Serbia will lose any leverage in negotiations during the Belgrade-Prishtina talks. It will not be able to ask/demand international guarantees that Kosovo would be held accountable for.
If Serbs were genuinely so interested in K&M they would actually visit it, settle there, invest in it, etc. This never happened prior to the wars & any investment never was allocated properly but swindled by communist party members in K&M and Belgrade and this caused resentment from the republics of Croatia and Slovenia.

factman

pre 8 godina

Just a note,

.... and because 1,2, or 3 (or how many ever) Orthodox priests did what you say, you have labelled all of them evil (and me too, yet I was only 13 years old). YOU ARE CLEARLY A RACIST.

Unfortunately, you are not an intelligent racist because you do not understand the word complicity. Let me explain for your feable mind (feable means not too strong by the way). I am saying that the Kosovo Albanians and their behaviour from 1965-1990's created the Milosevic they got. Read and educate yourself you idiot:

Kosovo Albanina behavior pre-Milosevic:
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/benworks/1980news.html

By the way, your writing is atricious. Go back to school.

Stan

pre 8 godina

Lk, I have been to Bosnia recently and can tell you there are mosques, old and new, everywhere in rs. How many orthodox churches left in the federation?

throughthisagain

pre 8 godina

LK, war has been over for 20 years, show one single evidence that serbs for the past five years have vandalize or destroyed a mosque. Izetbegovic and Thaci declared a jihad which means that Albanians and Bosnians wont stop until every serb is destroyed. Khomeini declared a jihad on that author who still is under heavy security.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

The same way the Serbian orthodox church doesn't recognize the macedonian orthodox church. It needs to have a foot in the door just in case things turn in its favor.
(kiko, 5 November 2015 17:51)

Really? Patrichiate Bartholomew in Istanbul and the entire Orthodox Church does not recognize the so called Macedonian Autocephalus Orthodox Church and that would include the Albanian Orthodox. Nice to to paint a false story pulling ideas from the air like the rest of your Albanian compatriots.

cry me a river

pre 8 godina

Both Christianity and Islam were born in Russia...
(rote,

Yes, of course, everything originated in Russia, or Greece. I forget.

just a note

pre 8 godina

just a note,

you should not avoid your complicity in creating milosevic (especially your behaviour during the 1967-1985 years) as is documented in the n.y. times.
(factman, 6 November 2015 14:47)
Have no idea what you are talking about but if there were support before he became a murdering butcher is one thing but the priests supported his actions after they knew what he was, and apparently you do too!

Roger7

pre 8 godina

kiko said "Let me get this right: because the Greek orthodox church doesn't recognize Macedonia's church that automatically means Serbia should not recognize it?"

You need to educate yourself as to why all worldwide canonical Eastern Orthodox Churches do not recognize nor are in communion with the non-canonical Macedonian Orthodox Church.

The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

By the way, your writing is atricious. Go back to school.
(factman, 7 November 2015 02:40)

This is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I believe the word you are trying to use is spelled ATROCIOUS. Do you even know what it means?

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

Instagram is no different to the BBC...

During the yugoslav wars in the 90s the BBC wanted to show the world what was going on in Bosnia... Subsequently they sent journalists in to record the carnage... what happened next will amaze you...

The BBC hired a bosnian muslim to guide them to some villages which the Serbs destroyed... after filming one of the villages the bosniam muslim man ask the BBC "now would you like me to take you to some serbian villages which were destroyed by muslims", the BBC journalists said NO, they were only there to film what the Serbs had done...

Instagram is the same, they only show images of what the Serbs have done...

What would your country do if a minority started attacking your police officers with high powered military equipment, such as was done to Serb police in kosovo... well the police are not very well armed, you must send in an army to defeat the terrorists, just as syria and iraq is doing as I write this comment...

Instagram is a terrorist supporting organization and its founders should be arrested for such a crime, instagram is covering up terrorist crimes which were commited against Serbian cultural sights and the people..

No wonder instagram and google is banned in China, they only show one side of the story, just like the BBC... spreading pure propaganda, your an idiot if you believe western mass media, along with their crony websites such as instagram. ...

remember Iraq had weapons of mass destruction...

Amanaparts

pre 8 godina

Fatman

if you talk about documents there is only one way to do it.

Prove it or it didnt happen. In this case. Link or it didnt happen.

icj1

pre 8 godina

You guys are complicit in creating Milosevic. Your behavior and the behavior of other republics created him.
(Factman, 7 November 2015 02:47)

So the Serbs (who are proud, independent, macho, don't suck anybody, etc, etc etc...) could not independently find a leader, but put as a leader somebody created by the enemies of Serbdom!!! You're making a very traitorous and unpatriotic statement mate :)

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Since because of 1,2, or 3 (or how many ever) individuals setting on fire some places, he labelled a people during the entire course of history as setting on fire holy places!
(icj1, 7 November 2015 14:47)

Learning how to count again mate, just don't do it in public? Don't worry, the Orthodox Church and the western world is well aware of the Albanian extremists who light holy places on fire and then continue more barbaric acts like desecrating graves.

0http://orthodoxrights.org/category/serbiahttp://religion.info/english/articles/article_48.shtml#.Vj954Ld0zIU

In Albanian itself, attacks on the Albanian Orthodox Churchhttp://orthodoxrights.org/category/albania

Can you ride your tricycle to Albania to see the destruction of Albanian Orthodox Churches?

factman

pre 8 godina

This UNESCO thing has pretty much guaranteed that:

1. The Serbian people will never, ever vote to recognize Kosovo (no matter what German bullsh#t comes down the road.

2. Belgrade will deliberately impede Kosovo's progress at every step (no matter what German bullsh#t comes down the road.

I figure this just added another 8-10 years of frozen time.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Serbian orthodox churches pull out of UNESCO

icj1

pre 8 godina

and because 1,2, or 3 (or how many ever) Orthodox priests did what you say, you have labelled all of them evil (and me too, yet I was only 13 years old). YOU ARE CLEARLY A RACIST.
(factman, 7 November 2015 02:40)

I can't agree more with the logic above. So, by the same token, the Serbian Orthodox "Priest" in-Chief is also clearly a racist for making the statement below:

"The head of the SPC added that the Serb heritage is now supposed to be entrusted to a people, i.e., Albanians, "who during the entire course of their history set our holy places on fire."

Since because of 1,2, or 3 (or how many ever) individuals setting on fire some places, he labelled a people during the entire course of history as setting on fire holy places!

Amanaparts

pre 8 godina

The links seems a little odd because its they are not actual links to NYTimes but its ok. If you read the articles, you`ll see that those articles are not backing your argument. Instead they prove that the crisis and protest evolved due to a demand for more autonomie and that Kosovo was not only mismanaged but also discriminated. The articles even state that there where over 80% ethnic albanians in that region.

Thnx for the list. These articles prove only why Kosovo could never stay with Yugoslavia/Serbia and never will again.

factman

pre 8 godina

You clearly see what you want to see. Funny how you gloss right over the organized terrorization of the Serb minority and do not mention that. It also clearly shows a pre-ordained effort to rip the land away and push all Serbs off over numerous years.

Tightly controlled communist country?!? That's really funny. It was the most liberal of all communist countries with free travel to the West for all who wanted it. It had a market economy. Don't make me laugh. Please. Learn the facts. the tightest controlled communist country was in Albania. The least controlled was in Yugoslavia. Why do you think they all came over the border from Hoxha-land?

All this was planned over the course of 30 years. There is nothing innocent about this movement.

You deserve what they got.

pre 8 godina

ead it.
(Factman, 7 November 2015 02:47)
Of course you conveniently forgot to mention that these articles were written about one of the tightest communist controlled countries of the world. No reporter was allowed into Yugoslavia to report the truth, they were allowed there to tell the story that the communist regime wanted the world to hear.
Do you see actual truthful journalism reporting the situation inside North Korea? No and you did not see it coming out of Yugoslavia either. It was not until the west sent spies into Yugo that the real stories started coming out.
How can you seriously try to tell people that with Serbian military present, Serbian police and judiciary. All Albanians thrown out of office, the schools closed, any Albanians forced out of their jobs and yet the Albanians were driving Serbs out.
To spread such propaganda makes you no better than Milosevic himself, you pretend to be a moderate person but your goal is to justify what was done and to try to make the world think that the Albanians deserved it.
May you and your children endure for 2 months what any nonSerb in Yugo had to endure under the Serbs and Milosevic. Maybe you could then have a clear picture of right and wrong.

just a note

pre 8 godina

By the way, your writing is atricious. Go back to school.
(factman, 7 November 2015 02:40)
I think that was meant to be atrocious but doesn't matter. Why should I go back to school to impress you? Number 1, I am writing for a bunch of people who English is a second language, and second I start typing and apparently LIKE YOU I do not bother with spell check or grammar check. You seem to have a lot in common with sj, telling people they need to take remedial English, or go back to school, and when you do not have a valid argument you start the personal attacks like "idiot" and "feeble mind". It does not work with me. You have to be a little insecure in your position to be put down. Me, I just laugh it off as a desperate Serb who showed up at the party wearing a costume, when it wasn't a masquerade party.
I do not directly blame you for the actual deaths and violence committed but I blame you for your defense of the actions and the inference that Albanians deserved what happened to them. I see very little in the sin.
As far as the priests, Serbia is and was heavily controlled by the Church, the leaders of the Orthodox had the ability to condemn what Milosevic was doing and a large majority would have felt a moral obligation to stop it, but since they approved the actions people felt they had a blessing from God.
Maybe you should learn about the damage those you hold high did to others.

icj1

pre 8 godina

Since because of 1,2, or 3 (or how many ever) individuals setting on fire some places, he labelled a people during the entire course of history as setting on fire holy places!
(icj1, 7 November 2015 14:47)

Learning how to count again mate, just don't do it in public?
(Jugoslavija, 8 November 2015 17:42)

Why not do that in public? You don't trust factman's counting?!
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Don't worry, the Orthodox Church and the western world is well aware of the Albanian extremists who light holy places on fire and then continue more barbaric acts like desecrating graves.
(Jugoslavija, 8 November 2015 17:42)

Even if we assume that is true, "Albanian extremists" are not the same thing as a people, the Albanians. The same way that I don't consider some members of the VRS who committed genocide in Srebrenica as being the same as a people, the Serbs.
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Can you ride your tricycle to Albania to see the destruction of Albanian Orthodox Churches?
(Jugoslavija, 8 November 2015 17:42)

For what purpose should I do that and waste my time and money?! I know already that most religious buildings of all faiths were destroyed by the communist regime in Albania based on the teachings of their idol, comrade Stalin, who did the same in the Soviet Union in the 1920' - 30's. For the communist regime there was only one "God", the dictator himself and there was only one "church"/"mosque", the communist party!