"UNESCO should remove churches from list before takeover"

Sounds logical, UNESCO can remove Serbian cultural heritage from their list and add the Bill Clinton statue and the New Porn sign instead.

rote seems to be so knowledgeable on those matters, it is great to have him in this forum.
Could you please clarify if Jesus was indeed killed in the battle of Kosovo Polje fighting as aka Lazar and Obilic as Judah.
Do you know if all the apostles were Serbs?

These sound like Serbs and not religious leaders to me. Something is definitely wrong is a priest or monk is more Serbian than Christian!!

1/ It’s a religious territory of the Serbian Church and UNESCO is not valid to make any change. Only consensus of 18 Orthodox churches can remove the churches, the monasteries and the lands from окормление by the Serbian Church.

2/ Kosovo is one of the treasures of the Orthodox Church and it does not belong to the Serbs only. Because the oldest Christian monasteries are located here. Because half of the Drevo Iseevo painted on the walls of the churches and monasteries are located in KIM. Drevo Iseevo is the family tree of Jesus. The wall paintings of the tree have survived only in Russia (two) and the Ottoman Empire (ten) while many of the icons of the tree in Europe are falsified. Visoki Decani is one of such places where you can see that Jesus was of the Rurikovic Dynasty but not a Jew. So all Orthodox Churches including the US puppets in Jerusalem and Constantinople should use their influence to stop it.

3/ In the context of the Drevo Iseevo maybe it’s time to raise the issue of the first Christians. Why they were prosecuted and what was their Christianity. We all know that both the Orthodox and the Catholics emphasize that they belong to the Apostle Christianity but they never explain what other options were also available. I can tell you that before 1370 Family Christianity also called Royal was dominant. And the Kosovo battle of 1389 was the last battle between the Apostle Christianity (Murad I) and the Royal one of the Golden Horde.

former U.S. staff sargeant Anthony J. Pelliccio...

This is not only pathetic but is also stupid. you can find proserb religious fanatics even in albania itself.B92 using as a reference a low rank military personnel without policymaking authority is so unprofessional

This is not about the old churches which as mentioned from other people have albanian charachteristics also and they were protected from albanians together with serbs for centuries (read Malcolm about the guards of the monasteries). If we need to talk about history lets mention also Pjeter Bogdani, one of the religious albanian leaders that organized the resistance of albanians and serbs against ottomans. But no one wants to talk about him because for serbs a catholic albanian was way more dangerous enemy than a muslim albanian (the former was way more dificult to exterminate the the latter, read chubrillovic).If albanians didnt destroy those churches 2 centuries ago why they should do it now under the scrutiny of international community?
Something else is bothering the politicians in begrade and the quasimilitary serb priests in kosovo. The endorsement as an independent state of kosovo is the real topic. Nothing else. No one will move a piece of brick from those churches. And no one mentions the destruction of hundreds of mosks during the conflict which in my opinion is just as bad as the "hypothetical" destruction of the monasteries (one is a fact and the other is not).

@ (rote, 23 October 2015 19:26)

Seriously Dude, I know that it may sound a little cliche you being Russian and all, but here she comes anyway: Lay of that cheap vodka! I knew a fella who had a drinking buddy named Vadim who lost his mind and grew a behind bigger than Kim Kardashian's from drinking that stuff. Now everywhere he shows up to sell his bootleg CDs, he's attacked by chockolate hordes from all directions.

Could you please clarify if Jesus was indeed killed in the battle of Kosovo Polje fighting as aka Lazar and Obilic as Judah.
Do you know if all the apostles were Serbs?
(crazy, 23 October 2015 17:14)

Dumb comment.
Grow up.

Faith is not linked to place. The idea of holy places is essentially pagan, whereas true faith (in any of the main religions) is personal and therefore independent of place.
(Bob, 23 October 2015 17:44)

An atheist is preaching about "any of the main religions" and 'true faith'?

Most religions hold great significance of sanctae loca or holy places as referenced in Scripture. For many believers, sacred places and their faith are intertwined.

Western Wailing Wall, Dome of the Rock, Church of the Holy Spulchre, Medjugorje, ring a bell?

@rote
truly insightful dude, thanks for clarifying all this as the Western propaganda has perverted all history.
Do you think Putin is also a direct descendant of Jesus also known as Murad / Dimitry Ivanovitch? That will be great if you could establish a link.

Faith is not linked to place. The idea of holy places is essentially pagan, whereas true faith (in any of the main religions) is personal and therefore independent of place.

Sell the churches and monasteries and move somewhere else. Being overly committed to 'things' is certainly not a Christian virtue, and places are as much 'things' as any thing else.

@rote
I hesitated between Obilic and Vuk Brankovitch but maybe the latter was the real Judah.
Are you saying that Jesus was indeed Murad I who was tortured to death in Yoros Hill and Murad I was just another name for Dimitry Ivanovic with Sophia Hagia built in Istanbul to honor him around 14th century?
Thanks for clarifying, I really appreciate your contribution.

This article is how you know this whole bitching about UNESCO and Serb churches is total B.S. It clearly isn't religious and it clearly isn't cultural. It is all about politics with the Serb church and it is playing a political game. If these Serb priests are true believers of God and Jesus Christ, UNESCO shouldn't scare them more than the devil. Even if it was the devil, shouldn't they have absolute belief in Gods omnipresence and allmighty power? Instead they act scared. Which means two things: a) The church and the priests are not true believers. b) This is not about religion, and acting scared is a means of political action. Since this is the most likely case, the Serb church is playing an idiotic game because: 1) They are unmasked about what they really are; a political institution, no different than Sesejl's political party. 2) Nobody is under any obligation to respect a political party. At this point, the Serb church should hope that Kosova gets UNESCO membership, because having unmasked themselves as nothing more than Vucic's and Nikolic's octogenarian political committee, $h!tier laws will get passed against them. As a church you don't involve yourself in political action antagonizing 2 million people surrounding you and expect fair laws. Because you're a church you should speak with more maturity, and not as if you copy pasted Milosevic's speeches. Pulling crap like that will always land you in deep $h!t, UNESCO or no UNESCO.

I think its perfectly normal to want one's rights, traditions and heritage to be protected. It's a shame that the rights, heritage and tradition of K Albanians was not uppermost in Milosevic's mind when he took away autonomy from Kosovo in 1989. This does not mean that Serbs should not now be protected along with their churches but it is something to ponder on when these issues are discussed and the K Albs are getting hot under the collar.

personally i would remove these buildings from UNESCO, for the truly ugly architecture that they. for me, the Sinan Pasha mosuqe in Prezren truoms all of them for aesthetics, far more beautiful than these god awful sights

Does this mean muslims will takeover Balkans this time without a swing of a sword or a bullet. Why are we so weak to resist this, did Clinton and Tito really destroy the best of us.

Crazy - 23 : clarify if Jesus was indeed killed in the battle of Kosovo Polje fighting as aka Lazar and Obilic as Judah.


Jesus was tortured to death in 1185 on Yoros Hill near Istanbul. Also I am not sure about the tales we are told about Prince Lazar and the murderer Obilic. It’s a big question on which of the two Slav sides the Serbs fought in 1389. Because if you read everything we are to believe you will find a lot of contradictions. Start with the battlefield where as if 8 big battles happened as if it was a professional battle arena. Note also that in 1389 both sides abandoned the battlefield and the region without harvesting tropheys. Very strange was the behavior of the Serbs. You will never find what some of the “princes” were doing during the battle and where they have vanished in the end. I know Serbs won’t like it but the whole story is rather misty. Yet the saddest thing is that Murad I was really killed here. This man became one of the most respected Russian Saints Dmitry Ivanovic Donskoy. It was him who introduced the Apostle Christianity in 1370. This date with Cyrillic letters is written inside the halo (нимб) of the Savior on many oldest Russian, Serbian and Bulgarian icons. It cost him life in 3 greatest battles of the medieval times. Kosovo was the last one and the Trebizond Archbishop instead of his Godfather St.Sergy Radonezhsky or the Russian Patriach had to serve the burial services for him. Then he was mummified and buried in Giza Valley, Egypt.

Most religions hold great significance of sanctae loca or holy places as referenced in Scripture. For many believers, sacred places and their faith are intertwined.

Western Wailing Wall, Dome of the Rock, Church of the Holy Spulchre, Medjugorje, ring a bell?
(Roger7, 24 October 2015 00:00) # Comment link

Yes Roger - these are all symbols of the factionalism that divides religions. People's sentimentality about place is linked to their own particular predjudices.

One God? But a rediculous number of religions. Just because people believe in them doesn't mean they are right.

"After a former commander of a special unit of the French KFOR, Jacques Hogard, said that UNESCO should not allow Kosovo to join, the same position was expressed in a tweet reposted by Janjic of a former U.S. staff sargeant Anthony J. Pelliccio who added there were "many more" who shared his opinion."

Oh dear!!! B92 I hope you are not going to write a news story for everybody you find who express an opinion for or aganst Kosovo's UNESCO membership

4/ In 1318 Russia aka Great Tartaria aka Great Horde aka Mongolo-Tatars headed by Georgy Danilovic invaded Europe. It put an end to the 130 year war known as Trojan War, Gothic Wars and Crusaders Wars. Before he was poisoned in 1329 he succeeded to seize half of the continent.

5/ His younger brother Ivan aka Bati Khan finished the job putting on the knees 100% of Europe including Britain. So between 1340 and 1584 Europe was a colony of the empire that included also both of Americas, Asia and Africa. For better ruling the continent civil administration was established in Austria (Habsburgs = Новгородцы) and later a religious one in Vatican called so after Ivan himself (Bati Khan) who became a Calif i.e. head of both the state and the church.

6/ Everything was OK before in 1370 there came a split inside the ruling Rurikovici Dynasty. The head of the dynasty young Veliki Kniaz/Khan Dmitry Ivanovic backed by his Godfather Sergy Radonezhsky refused from then dominant Royal Christianity and introduced the Apostle one. The main difference was that in Royal Christianity members of the Ruricovici clan were considered as Gods while the Apostle Christianity meant that all people were equal before God. So the GREAT SMUTA started.

7/ But after the victory in the battle of 1380 on Kulikovo Poljie Dmiry moved his residency to Tsar Grad and called it Constatinople after himself. He brought here the Greek partiarch of the Horde and settled in Halkidon district of Istanbul.

crazy: Do you think Putin is also a direct descendant of Jesus also known as Murad / Dimitry Ivanovitch? That will be great if you could establish a link

You cannot be as crazy as you expose yourself and you cannot joke over such issues if you trust in God. For me it is also funny that some people still believe that Jesus was a Jew or that Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Palestine, Judea, Samaria and Israel could all be in one small place in the stone desert of Africa. Despite none of them has ever been mentioned on any ancient map. But I am patient enough to explain that he wasn’t a Jew and that current Jerusalem was built in 19 century only. You can check it even through Wikipedia where they have zero info about the period 1500-1917 in the history of the city.

Religion has always been a national tradition as well and nobody would change his father’s belief voluntarily. So one way or another all religions were imposed while only people with power in their hands could afford it. Such were the Rurikovici dynasty in the medieval times. Christianity started as their family belief and this is why it wasn’t widely spread. But in 1370 (= pre-Gregorian year of 318) young Dmirty Donskoy aka Constantine I introduced the Christianity we know today. By that time he was at the helm of greater part of Eurasia already. His empire initially was called Great Tartaria, Megaleon Tartaria, Great Horde and since 1653 (after the split of 1813) also as Mongolo-Tataria or Great Porta.

crazy, 23 : Are you saying that Jesus was indeed Murad I who was tortured to death in Yoros Hill and Murad I was just another name for Dimitry Ivanovic

Murad/Murat was not a Turkic name but a misinterpreted Dmitry and I can explain why. Parchment was a very expensive material so old manuscripts were all written without vowels just to save place. It still happens in Arabic, Persian ect. To hide the truth official history often used Arabic and Ottoman sources written in Persian. Thus Dmitry/Mitry became Murad/Murat. Because the same letters MRT/MRD were used while some of them were read from left to the right and the others the opposite.

Dmitry Donskoy was an outstanding person in the Russian history. So it’s very strange that nobody explains us why a 39 year old Great Kniaz/Khan of the world with no health problems died all of a sudden in 1389 and why the burial services were held by a low rating Trebizond Archbishop. But the explanation is simple Kosovo was too far from Veliki Novgorod while they had only 3 days to bury him.

This man is described in Scaliger’s history as Constantine I the Great who introduced Christianity in 318. It matches very well with the biography of Murad/Dmitry. He had nothing to do to the Yoros Hill where only Jesus was crucified. Besides Jerusalem was not one city and it was never placed in the Arab stone desert.

http://www.chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/04_22.html#the24
http://www.chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/04_19.html#the21

Just because people believe in them doesn't mean they are right.
(Bob, 24 October 2015 17:48)

The same holds for you and your prejudices.

Since the Serbian Orthodox Church owns the property, if they want it removed from UNESCO's list it should be done. Then when Kosovo is admitted maybe the Church and the government can come to some agreement and be resubmitted.
Since Kosovo was totally under UNMIK control at the time, Serbia should not have had the right to add any properties in the UN protectorate to the list.

People's sentimentality about place is linked to their own particular predjudices.
(Bob, 24 October 2015 17:48)

you must be one miserable dude. places i'm sentimental about got nothing to do with being prejudiced. you need to lighten up man.

That will be great if you could establish a link.

(crazy, 24 October 2015 21:54)


http://www.chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/04.html#the3
http://www.chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/04_22.html#the24
http://www.chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/04_34.html#the36

http://www.chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/index.html

Dear B92, dear Serbian people, I think we need to have new relation is the time to reflect: Serbia and Kosovo all us.We need to go in th future not in the past! Kosovo nit is in that way to demolish orthodoxy churches but To care for it, is the time to live in peace not in war. respect for Serbian people from Kosovo with pleasure: Bekim all wishes for you..

crazy, 23 : Murad I was just another name for Dimitry Ivanovic with Sophia Hagia built in Istanbul to honor him around 14th century?

1/ Hagia Sophia was built much later during Suleiman Qanuni who belonged to other branch of the Rurikovic Dynasty. Dmitry Donskoy aka Murad I aka Constantine I was a descendant of Georgy Danilovic later known as St.George while Suleiman/Solomon like all Moscow Tsars belonged to the branch of Georgy’s younger brother Ivan Danilovic Kalita aka Calif aka Bati Khan.

2/ In 318 AC Constantine introduced Christianity as you know. Because of the chronological shift appeared during the Gregorian Reforms (1572) it made 318+1052 = 1370. So current 1370 is equal to the pre-reform year of 318. Now if you compare the biographies and the battles of Constantine and Dmitry you will find only difference in the dates and the names while all the events are the same.

3/ Russia had been baptized long before Constantine/Dmirty. So in 1370 he introduced only the current Apostle Christianity. Other members of the Rurik Dynasty disliked the idea and launched a long war that ended only in 1415 as СТОЯНИЕ НА РЕКЕ КАЛКЕ. But before that 3 big battles were held in 1372 in 1380 and in 1389. The last one was fatal both for Dmitry and his opponents as they had no right to kill him. Thus both sides abandoned Kosovo field. Bayased aka Vasily I needed to bury his father while the other side flew from their crime place. All of them were massacred later.

"And no one mentions the destruction of hundreds of mosks during the conflict which in my opinion is just as bad as the "hypothetical" destruction of the monasteries (one is a fact and the other is not).
(glen, 23 October 2015 17:45)

The other is not? Google is your friend, just type in the two words 'march pogrom' and watch all the nice (or not so nice) pictures and videos, please.

These sound like Serbs and not religious leaders to me. Something is definitely wrong is a priest or monk is more Serbian than Christian!!

Sounds logical, UNESCO can remove Serbian cultural heritage from their list and add the Bill Clinton statue and the New Porn sign instead.

former U.S. staff sargeant Anthony J. Pelliccio...

This is not only pathetic but is also stupid. you can find proserb religious fanatics even in albania itself.B92 using as a reference a low rank military personnel without policymaking authority is so unprofessional

This is not about the old churches which as mentioned from other people have albanian charachteristics also and they were protected from albanians together with serbs for centuries (read Malcolm about the guards of the monasteries). If we need to talk about history lets mention also Pjeter Bogdani, one of the religious albanian leaders that organized the resistance of albanians and serbs against ottomans. But no one wants to talk about him because for serbs a catholic albanian was way more dangerous enemy than a muslim albanian (the former was way more dificult to exterminate the the latter, read chubrillovic).If albanians didnt destroy those churches 2 centuries ago why they should do it now under the scrutiny of international community?
Something else is bothering the politicians in begrade and the quasimilitary serb priests in kosovo. The endorsement as an independent state of kosovo is the real topic. Nothing else. No one will move a piece of brick from those churches. And no one mentions the destruction of hundreds of mosks during the conflict which in my opinion is just as bad as the "hypothetical" destruction of the monasteries (one is a fact and the other is not).

1/ It’s a religious territory of the Serbian Church and UNESCO is not valid to make any change. Only consensus of 18 Orthodox churches can remove the churches, the monasteries and the lands from окормление by the Serbian Church.

2/ Kosovo is one of the treasures of the Orthodox Church and it does not belong to the Serbs only. Because the oldest Christian monasteries are located here. Because half of the Drevo Iseevo painted on the walls of the churches and monasteries are located in KIM. Drevo Iseevo is the family tree of Jesus. The wall paintings of the tree have survived only in Russia (two) and the Ottoman Empire (ten) while many of the icons of the tree in Europe are falsified. Visoki Decani is one of such places where you can see that Jesus was of the Rurikovic Dynasty but not a Jew. So all Orthodox Churches including the US puppets in Jerusalem and Constantinople should use their influence to stop it.

3/ In the context of the Drevo Iseevo maybe it’s time to raise the issue of the first Christians. Why they were prosecuted and what was their Christianity. We all know that both the Orthodox and the Catholics emphasize that they belong to the Apostle Christianity but they never explain what other options were also available. I can tell you that before 1370 Family Christianity also called Royal was dominant. And the Kosovo battle of 1389 was the last battle between the Apostle Christianity (Murad I) and the Royal one of the Golden Horde.

I think its perfectly normal to want one's rights, traditions and heritage to be protected. It's a shame that the rights, heritage and tradition of K Albanians was not uppermost in Milosevic's mind when he took away autonomy from Kosovo in 1989. This does not mean that Serbs should not now be protected along with their churches but it is something to ponder on when these issues are discussed and the K Albs are getting hot under the collar.

personally i would remove these buildings from UNESCO, for the truly ugly architecture that they. for me, the Sinan Pasha mosuqe in Prezren truoms all of them for aesthetics, far more beautiful than these god awful sights

Crazy - 23 : clarify if Jesus was indeed killed in the battle of Kosovo Polje fighting as aka Lazar and Obilic as Judah.


Jesus was tortured to death in 1185 on Yoros Hill near Istanbul. Also I am not sure about the tales we are told about Prince Lazar and the murderer Obilic. It’s a big question on which of the two Slav sides the Serbs fought in 1389. Because if you read everything we are to believe you will find a lot of contradictions. Start with the battlefield where as if 8 big battles happened as if it was a professional battle arena. Note also that in 1389 both sides abandoned the battlefield and the region without harvesting tropheys. Very strange was the behavior of the Serbs. You will never find what some of the “princes” were doing during the battle and where they have vanished in the end. I know Serbs won’t like it but the whole story is rather misty. Yet the saddest thing is that Murad I was really killed here. This man became one of the most respected Russian Saints Dmitry Ivanovic Donskoy. It was him who introduced the Apostle Christianity in 1370. This date with Cyrillic letters is written inside the halo (нимб) of the Savior on many oldest Russian, Serbian and Bulgarian icons. It cost him life in 3 greatest battles of the medieval times. Kosovo was the last one and the Trebizond Archbishop instead of his Godfather St.Sergy Radonezhsky or the Russian Patriach had to serve the burial services for him. Then he was mummified and buried in Giza Valley, Egypt.

Does this mean muslims will takeover Balkans this time without a swing of a sword or a bullet. Why are we so weak to resist this, did Clinton and Tito really destroy the best of us.

rote seems to be so knowledgeable on those matters, it is great to have him in this forum.
Could you please clarify if Jesus was indeed killed in the battle of Kosovo Polje fighting as aka Lazar and Obilic as Judah.
Do you know if all the apostles were Serbs?

Faith is not linked to place. The idea of holy places is essentially pagan, whereas true faith (in any of the main religions) is personal and therefore independent of place.

Sell the churches and monasteries and move somewhere else. Being overly committed to 'things' is certainly not a Christian virtue, and places are as much 'things' as any thing else.

Could you please clarify if Jesus was indeed killed in the battle of Kosovo Polje fighting as aka Lazar and Obilic as Judah.
Do you know if all the apostles were Serbs?
(crazy, 23 October 2015 17:14)

Dumb comment.
Grow up.

@ (rote, 23 October 2015 19:26)

Seriously Dude, I know that it may sound a little cliche you being Russian and all, but here she comes anyway: Lay of that cheap vodka! I knew a fella who had a drinking buddy named Vadim who lost his mind and grew a behind bigger than Kim Kardashian's from drinking that stuff. Now everywhere he shows up to sell his bootleg CDs, he's attacked by chockolate hordes from all directions.

This article is how you know this whole bitching about UNESCO and Serb churches is total B.S. It clearly isn't religious and it clearly isn't cultural. It is all about politics with the Serb church and it is playing a political game. If these Serb priests are true believers of God and Jesus Christ, UNESCO shouldn't scare them more than the devil. Even if it was the devil, shouldn't they have absolute belief in Gods omnipresence and allmighty power? Instead they act scared. Which means two things: a) The church and the priests are not true believers. b) This is not about religion, and acting scared is a means of political action. Since this is the most likely case, the Serb church is playing an idiotic game because: 1) They are unmasked about what they really are; a political institution, no different than Sesejl's political party. 2) Nobody is under any obligation to respect a political party. At this point, the Serb church should hope that Kosova gets UNESCO membership, because having unmasked themselves as nothing more than Vucic's and Nikolic's octogenarian political committee, $h!tier laws will get passed against them. As a church you don't involve yourself in political action antagonizing 2 million people surrounding you and expect fair laws. Because you're a church you should speak with more maturity, and not as if you copy pasted Milosevic's speeches. Pulling crap like that will always land you in deep $h!t, UNESCO or no UNESCO.

4/ In 1318 Russia aka Great Tartaria aka Great Horde aka Mongolo-Tatars headed by Georgy Danilovic invaded Europe. It put an end to the 130 year war known as Trojan War, Gothic Wars and Crusaders Wars. Before he was poisoned in 1329 he succeeded to seize half of the continent.

5/ His younger brother Ivan aka Bati Khan finished the job putting on the knees 100% of Europe including Britain. So between 1340 and 1584 Europe was a colony of the empire that included also both of Americas, Asia and Africa. For better ruling the continent civil administration was established in Austria (Habsburgs = Новгородцы) and later a religious one in Vatican called so after Ivan himself (Bati Khan) who became a Calif i.e. head of both the state and the church.

6/ Everything was OK before in 1370 there came a split inside the ruling Rurikovici Dynasty. The head of the dynasty young Veliki Kniaz/Khan Dmitry Ivanovic backed by his Godfather Sergy Radonezhsky refused from then dominant Royal Christianity and introduced the Apostle one. The main difference was that in Royal Christianity members of the Ruricovici clan were considered as Gods while the Apostle Christianity meant that all people were equal before God. So the GREAT SMUTA started.

7/ But after the victory in the battle of 1380 on Kulikovo Poljie Dmiry moved his residency to Tsar Grad and called it Constatinople after himself. He brought here the Greek partiarch of the Horde and settled in Halkidon district of Istanbul.

@rote
I hesitated between Obilic and Vuk Brankovitch but maybe the latter was the real Judah.
Are you saying that Jesus was indeed Murad I who was tortured to death in Yoros Hill and Murad I was just another name for Dimitry Ivanovic with Sophia Hagia built in Istanbul to honor him around 14th century?
Thanks for clarifying, I really appreciate your contribution.

"After a former commander of a special unit of the French KFOR, Jacques Hogard, said that UNESCO should not allow Kosovo to join, the same position was expressed in a tweet reposted by Janjic of a former U.S. staff sargeant Anthony J. Pelliccio who added there were "many more" who shared his opinion."

Oh dear!!! B92 I hope you are not going to write a news story for everybody you find who express an opinion for or aganst Kosovo's UNESCO membership

crazy, 23 : Are you saying that Jesus was indeed Murad I who was tortured to death in Yoros Hill and Murad I was just another name for Dimitry Ivanovic

Murad/Murat was not a Turkic name but a misinterpreted Dmitry and I can explain why. Parchment was a very expensive material so old manuscripts were all written without vowels just to save place. It still happens in Arabic, Persian ect. To hide the truth official history often used Arabic and Ottoman sources written in Persian. Thus Dmitry/Mitry became Murad/Murat. Because the same letters MRT/MRD were used while some of them were read from left to the right and the others the opposite.

Dmitry Donskoy was an outstanding person in the Russian history. So it’s very strange that nobody explains us why a 39 year old Great Kniaz/Khan of the world with no health problems died all of a sudden in 1389 and why the burial services were held by a low rating Trebizond Archbishop. But the explanation is simple Kosovo was too far from Veliki Novgorod while they had only 3 days to bury him.

This man is described in Scaliger’s history as Constantine I the Great who introduced Christianity in 318. It matches very well with the biography of Murad/Dmitry. He had nothing to do to the Yoros Hill where only Jesus was crucified. Besides Jerusalem was not one city and it was never placed in the Arab stone desert.

http://www.chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/04_22.html#the24
http://www.chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/04_19.html#the21

crazy, 23 : Murad I was just another name for Dimitry Ivanovic with Sophia Hagia built in Istanbul to honor him around 14th century?

1/ Hagia Sophia was built much later during Suleiman Qanuni who belonged to other branch of the Rurikovic Dynasty. Dmitry Donskoy aka Murad I aka Constantine I was a descendant of Georgy Danilovic later known as St.George while Suleiman/Solomon like all Moscow Tsars belonged to the branch of Georgy’s younger brother Ivan Danilovic Kalita aka Calif aka Bati Khan.

2/ In 318 AC Constantine introduced Christianity as you know. Because of the chronological shift appeared during the Gregorian Reforms (1572) it made 318+1052 = 1370. So current 1370 is equal to the pre-reform year of 318. Now if you compare the biographies and the battles of Constantine and Dmitry you will find only difference in the dates and the names while all the events are the same.

3/ Russia had been baptized long before Constantine/Dmirty. So in 1370 he introduced only the current Apostle Christianity. Other members of the Rurik Dynasty disliked the idea and launched a long war that ended only in 1415 as СТОЯНИЕ НА РЕКЕ КАЛКЕ. But before that 3 big battles were held in 1372 in 1380 and in 1389. The last one was fatal both for Dmitry and his opponents as they had no right to kill him. Thus both sides abandoned Kosovo field. Bayased aka Vasily I needed to bury his father while the other side flew from their crime place. All of them were massacred later.

Just because people believe in them doesn't mean they are right.
(Bob, 24 October 2015 17:48)

The same holds for you and your prejudices.

People's sentimentality about place is linked to their own particular predjudices.
(Bob, 24 October 2015 17:48)

you must be one miserable dude. places i'm sentimental about got nothing to do with being prejudiced. you need to lighten up man.

Faith is not linked to place. The idea of holy places is essentially pagan, whereas true faith (in any of the main religions) is personal and therefore independent of place.
(Bob, 23 October 2015 17:44)

An atheist is preaching about "any of the main religions" and 'true faith'?

Most religions hold great significance of sanctae loca or holy places as referenced in Scripture. For many believers, sacred places and their faith are intertwined.

Western Wailing Wall, Dome of the Rock, Church of the Holy Spulchre, Medjugorje, ring a bell?

"And no one mentions the destruction of hundreds of mosks during the conflict which in my opinion is just as bad as the "hypothetical" destruction of the monasteries (one is a fact and the other is not).
(glen, 23 October 2015 17:45)

The other is not? Google is your friend, just type in the two words 'march pogrom' and watch all the nice (or not so nice) pictures and videos, please.

Most religions hold great significance of sanctae loca or holy places as referenced in Scripture. For many believers, sacred places and their faith are intertwined.

Western Wailing Wall, Dome of the Rock, Church of the Holy Spulchre, Medjugorje, ring a bell?
(Roger7, 24 October 2015 00:00) # Comment link

Yes Roger - these are all symbols of the factionalism that divides religions. People's sentimentality about place is linked to their own particular predjudices.

One God? But a rediculous number of religions. Just because people believe in them doesn't mean they are right.

@rote
truly insightful dude, thanks for clarifying all this as the Western propaganda has perverted all history.
Do you think Putin is also a direct descendant of Jesus also known as Murad / Dimitry Ivanovitch? That will be great if you could establish a link.

That will be great if you could establish a link.

(crazy, 24 October 2015 21:54)


http://www.chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/04.html#the3
http://www.chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/04_22.html#the24
http://www.chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/04_34.html#the36

http://www.chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/index.html

Since the Serbian Orthodox Church owns the property, if they want it removed from UNESCO's list it should be done. Then when Kosovo is admitted maybe the Church and the government can come to some agreement and be resubmitted.
Since Kosovo was totally under UNMIK control at the time, Serbia should not have had the right to add any properties in the UN protectorate to the list.

crazy: Do you think Putin is also a direct descendant of Jesus also known as Murad / Dimitry Ivanovitch? That will be great if you could establish a link

You cannot be as crazy as you expose yourself and you cannot joke over such issues if you trust in God. For me it is also funny that some people still believe that Jesus was a Jew or that Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Palestine, Judea, Samaria and Israel could all be in one small place in the stone desert of Africa. Despite none of them has ever been mentioned on any ancient map. But I am patient enough to explain that he wasn’t a Jew and that current Jerusalem was built in 19 century only. You can check it even through Wikipedia where they have zero info about the period 1500-1917 in the history of the city.

Religion has always been a national tradition as well and nobody would change his father’s belief voluntarily. So one way or another all religions were imposed while only people with power in their hands could afford it. Such were the Rurikovici dynasty in the medieval times. Christianity started as their family belief and this is why it wasn’t widely spread. But in 1370 (= pre-Gregorian year of 318) young Dmirty Donskoy aka Constantine I introduced the Christianity we know today. By that time he was at the helm of greater part of Eurasia already. His empire initially was called Great Tartaria, Megaleon Tartaria, Great Horde and since 1653 (after the split of 1813) also as Mongolo-Tataria or Great Porta.

Dear B92, dear Serbian people, I think we need to have new relation is the time to reflect: Serbia and Kosovo all us.We need to go in th future not in the past! Kosovo nit is in that way to demolish orthodoxy churches but To care for it, is the time to live in peace not in war. respect for Serbian people from Kosovo with pleasure: Bekim all wishes for you..