President criticizes "selfishness of some EU members"

Ribert Glay,

The only hypocrites here are EU countries.

Your rules say that first country of entry should process. That was an EU country called Greece.

Your leadership said publicly that they would take 800,000.

Your leadership told Serbia to accept, process, and forward them.

You should take this up with your own incompetent leadership.

Going on 3 months now there is no leadership -- and the world is watching your incompetence (and your racism).

Take your insolence and go shove it.

As a Serb ,( from Mitrovichs family all the way from 1717)formerly from Serbia , I have to say this: we Serbians have to STOP attacking our neighbors . Their refugee policy is not any of our business. Serbian political establishment is stupid and always , but always, makes terrible mistakes regarding the political future of Serbia. This always was a problem for the Serbian people who trust their leaders until is too late . We as a nation are unable to predict the terrible results from our actions . Serbia as a small country is not able to suport nor is responsible for the thesepp refugees . There's no such a right that you can cross the boarder of another country as you wish . This is the reason countries have boarders and immigration laws. That Serbia chooses to ignore her own laws it's not Hungary 's problem. But come this winter, it is going to be a Serbian problem . We all see how these migrants behave when they don't get what they expect .

To your hypocrite prime minister Vucic: You bastard! If your police would have stopped the criminal migrants to throw stones at our Hungarian police from SERBIAN TERRItORY then there would have been no problem! But they did not do it , just stand there ,watched and let this crime happen and did not interviene and now you have the nerve to complain- even in the USA- because hungarian police protected themself from an attack that was coming from your country?? F..k you hypocrite asshole!
(Giay Robert, 18 September 2015 13:19)

Just eat what you cooked geci hungarian bootlickers. Do not forget that your whole political elite including Soros trained pseudonationalist Orsos(whose ancestors came from more distant areas than most of these refuges) were the biggest supporters of NWO actions in the Balkans, Libya,Syria,Ukraine and other conflict zones this way a huge contributors to this migrant wave.The biggest war mongers in the last 20 years Soros,Lantos(fortunatelly already in hell) and sarkozy were of hungarian origin.And do not forget that you were also asian migrants of mixed khazar-mongol origin much more cruel than the most brutal ISIS idiots.

Sarah very well said. The useless EU bureaucrats and their handlers hiding behind the seen. Have a wicked agenda they will pace draconian laws on all of Europe who listen to their criminal BS. They are going to let the migrant crises escalate until they have full fascist control. Germany is threatening to cut off every country from money if they don't listen to German BS. European country's peoples fight to keep your freedoms from slavery from people disguised as sheep but underneath ravenous rabid wolf's. Most of those economic migrants are just young men over 80%. When they settle in Europe they will send for their large extended families. As the native European populations are on a steep decline already. They will take over and you will be living in a totally alien Islam Europe. Why don't they go to the rich Arab gulf states. They don't want them you know how many refugees they accepted big fat 0. But will build for the migrants Mosques to their hearts desire and send evil teachers to tell them how evil is Europe. Europe is so dumb and the political correctness total brainwashing BS. That is taking over Europe the evil political puppets and their minions. Making any one who dares to stand up against it a "criminal". Lets all stand up and throw all the evil bums out.

Oh Lenard you changed your tune once Croatia had to deal with them - and did you see the bloody pictures from Croatia after the Syrians and Afghans fought each other on who should board the train or bus first?
The other day you were laughing at Serbia's misery with them.

My God Serbia! Wake up and shut the door! Close the border at Macedonia and Bulgaria. I am a Serb and I think that the Hungarians got it right. If you don't learn from the past you're doomed to repeat it. Just look at the mess in Bosnia and Kosovo.

close the Macedonian and Serbian borders and make Macedonia send the refugees to be with their brothers in Albania .... after all albanians are refugees.

Your rules say that first country of entry should process. That was an EU country called Greece.
factman, 18 September 2015 13:41

So what? If these people are really "refugees"-which I very much doubt it-then it becomes a UN problem and not an EU one.The Geneva Convention on Refugees states: "A person may be called an`asylum seeker´ until considered with the status of `refugee´by the Contracting State where they formally make a claim for sanctuary or right of asylum." Most of these people-if one believes the Western Media-are coming from UN established refugee camps in Turkey and Lebanon.Why didn't they ask for asylum there? Because according to the Turkish interior minister Efkan Ala they wanted to move to Western Europe.Furthermore,too many of these people are coming in with no identification -so it becomes impossible to register them-but all seem to have had time to get dressed in the latest designer clothes and grab their mobile phones and selfie sticks.Now the truth of the matter is Merkel has opened the flood gates with not a single thought as to how they'll be closed again.

If the EU/Germany would simply state they were no longer welcome. Then the entire route should be stopped and the migrants sent back to Turkey, where they were all launched from and many had been living and working for years, or Greece, the first Schengen country they set foot in.

Greece is doing absolutely nothing to stop them and the EU is not putting any type of pressure on Turkey to stop this.

Turkey is laughing all the way to the bank. They are doing record sales of boats and rafts and Turkish smugglers get more than a thousand per person.

Being a US b_tch is a costly business. US and israel are on a never ending killing spree in the Middle East. As long as the M.E is kept in flames and split along sectarian lines, israel will be the "villa in the jungle" and that's one reason, the other is of course oil & pipelines, like in Syria who refused the US/Qatar proposed pipe for one from it´s ally Iran, which of course started the 4 yearlong "Assad must go" US/saudi/israeli proxy war.

The consequences of those wars is refugees & migrants. The instigators US being too far away and israel a jews only state, that problem is designed for Europe which is about to implode but that´s OK for their US patron who created and smacked in two radical Muslim and as in Bosnia, wahhabi hotspots, in the end the US can "offer" some "help" for some favorable deals of course.

Cause & Effect that´s what happening. If the Serbs hasn´t learned from having a US imposed quisling cult, the ukraine and Libya & Syria nothing will help.

icj1,

You are quite clearly disingenuous in all your writings... or an ignorant dunce.

My comments quite clearly say that the first country these people touched was GREECE or ITALY. And those are EU countries. And those EU countries had the responsibility to process them -- or turn them away them --- and not conveniently spill them into the former Yugoslavia. So this is quite clearly a EU created situation. Or did they perhaps fall from the sky into Serbia?

Next, you can search any newspaper in the world to see that Germany was encouraging and never said please don't come. But said we expect 800,000 asylum seekers this year.

Next, the clear evidence that Serbia was told to process them comes from various Merkel comments that Serbia is an example for the way it is handling this... and for the $2M that Merkel proposed be given to Serbia to setup a processing center... and for all the bio-metric information which Serbia has already passed to Germany.

Finally, regarding you statement about Hungary.. I can guarantee you that it won't happen.

You have a great track record on these forums.

Everything you say is wrong.

Go back to splitting legal hairs that's what your good at.

if you weren't so disingenuous, it would be nice to exchange ideas with you, but you prefer it this way.

Oh, how rich coming from a man like Nikolic. I bet Seselj could tell endless stories how compasionate you, Vucic, Dacic and rest of the people who run Serbia really are.

Leonidas, than ask UN to deal with it. I would say that only Finland and Serbia have followed international rules in this refugee crisis which sadly will result to their peril. I heard a refugee here in Finland say that POLICE, POLICE IS SELLING FAKE IDS AND DOCUMENTS IN GREECE FOR 100 EUROS.

Lenard

When I was reading your comment I was sure it was by Leonidas …. Congrats as the refugees consolidate the Europeans. I agree almost everything but calling them immigrants means approving the US/Brussels version of the events when the West has no responsibility for the increasing flood. It’s a key moment as it was the West and the mentioned rich Arabs who destroyed several countries who make 90% of the refugee immigrants. By the way Lenard and Leonidas is the same (lion) name. Also I appreciate you for not spitting as it's not spitting time today.

So Serbia, does it make sense to such a dysfunctional entity as the EU?

Your rules say that first country of entry should process. That was an EU country called Greece.
(factman, 18 September 2015 13:41)

Hmm, not sure what you're talking about mate! These people are trying to enter the EU (Hungary) from Serbia, not from Greece. Serbia is a safe country, so it is pretty obvious that asylum claims of people coming from Serbia will generally be denied and they will be returned to Serbia, unless they can show that they will be in danger if they are returned to Serbia.
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Your leadership said publicly that they would take 800,000.
(factman, 18 September 2015 13:41)

Who said that?!
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Your leadership told Serbia to accept, process, and forward them.
(factman, 18 September 2015 13:41)

Evidence?!
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You should take this up with your own incompetent leadership.
(factman, 18 September 2015 13:41)

There is no need to take it with anybody. Hungary will simply apply the law and only accept asylum claims from people coming from unsafe countries.

"Speaking to reporters in Belgrade on Friday, Tomislav Nikolic said that "selfishness has also emerged in some EU members"

I would prefer mr. Nikolic to speak about contemporary issues.

The only people unconcerned about ethics in this problem are the illegal immigrants themselves who are just trying to pry loose a handout from people they know are too stupid to know any better. The idiots claim ethics when the crisis is just another act of sadism against the Serbian people.

Greece is doing absolutely nothing to stop them and the EU is not putting any type of pressure on Turkey to stop this.

Turkey is laughing all the way to the bank. They are doing record sales of boats and rafts and Turkish smugglers get more than a thousand per person.
(ida, 19 September 2015 08:55)

The external Greek-Eastern Mediterranean borders are secured by Frontex-the European Border Agency-and the Greek coast Guard.Frontex doesn't allow the Greek coastal guard to turn back refugee boats-against EU rules.
Do you know what's going in Patras port for instance? Thousands of illegal immigrants are gathered seeking the opportunity to take a ship for Italy. And the Greek police stops them for doing so! Turkey on the other hand does not take them back, as it is obliged to do, so they are stuck here and we are stuck with them. This is completely insane!!!
Shenghen Agreement is a disaster for Greece. As a border country Greece receives all illegal immigrants that most of them want to eventually rich other EU countries like Germany, but it has the obligation under this shameful treaty to keep them!
It suffices to say that the whole human trafficking from Turkey is state sponsored and as you rightly say the Turks are laughing all the way to the bank.

There is a simple solution, Serbia close Macedonia border and these refugees are stuck. Vucic and Nikolic are even bigger idiots than hrvat premier.

Our distinguished geci commenter has finally climbed out of the sewage hole. Hi mate, how are you?
(Hruz, 18 September 2015 16:13)

Climed out of sewage,climbed of sewage,climbed out sewage.Is there any other expression you can use for those who have different oppinion or hungarian parrots are not creative enough ?Boring mate try something new.Anyway I know truth hurts.Go to Szargyarto Petike and complain about that bad Radek.Buzi Petya may even offer you special sevices for exchange.

We all see how these migrants behave when they don't get what they expect .
(Sarah, 18 September 2015 18:30)


Many people posting here used to be migrants or asylum seekers during their life.
With all differences I don't think anyone behaved like that when we did not "get" what we did "expect". In the fact, we did not expect anything and of course faced the stupidity of the bureaucrats.

The proper solution is to filter out the people who behave normal and kick out the thugs. It can be done even before they start their way to Europe, in Turkish or Jordanian refugee camps. With only little diligence and organization the undesirable element won't even reach Gevgelija or Presevo.

And do not forget that you were also asian migrants of mixed khazar-mongol origin much more cruel than the most brutal ISIS idiots.
(radek, 18 September 2015 15:50)

Radek,

1) The "mongol" could be only one tribe, the Yue-Chi / Jenö (?) out of 7 +3.
The "khazars" where the 3 tribes. At least one tribe (the main "Megyer") was probably from Caucasus or even Eastern Anatolia / Middle East. That tribe gave the name to the nation and it's origin is simply unknown, so the language they spoke (very different from the Turkic language of the rest). No one knows, why exactly that language became the "lingua franca" of that 7+ 3 tribe confederation. It was a rather loose confederation at begin, that is what we know.

2) You touched my nerve with the "cruelty" because it is unfortunately true, word-by-word.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyorgy_Dozsa

See the execution of György Dózsa.

I don't think ever anyone was killed more cruel way. With that horror (in my opinion) the fate / karma of Hungary was sealed for centuries and it is why we are suffering now.

The catastrophe at Mohács was the direct consequence of that horror, and so the bad luck just went on and went on.

This is my superstition and probably it's a rubbish - but who knows.
I do not know who initiated that Dózsa-horror. It is beyond any imagination.

Ataman

“The "mongol" could be only one tribe … The "khazars" … "Megyer" was probably from … No one knows, why exactly ”

Because you enjoy good Russian you can afford sources available in my country to refuse from many of your dogmas and fears. Shortly 1653 was the year when (in the new history of Russia) Mongolo-Tatars were first mentioned as a foreign invasion but nobody took it serious. Later in 18-19 centuries the Romanovs offered great money for investigation about the sequences of the M-T invasion but all Russian scientists refused because they had nothing to write about. Great Tartaria can be found on all old maps and sometimes they used a Greek word Megaleon Tartaria. This country seized Europe between 1318 and 1329 and ruled it before 1584 when Europe rebelled and in several decades got free. By mid 16 century both Americas, Asia and Africa became parts of the Great Horde. Magyars were active part of the great Slav-Turk Empire. They were known as Ugri (угры, Угория) and were marked on the Great Stamp of the Great Kniaz/Khans as Великое княжество Угорское. I can find you links. Read the title of Vladislav IV and try to explain it from traditional history point : Владислав IV, милостью Божьей король польский, великий князь литовский, русский, прусский, мазовецкий, самогитский, ливонский, а также наследный король шведов, готов, вендов, избранный великий князь московский … Югра was the capitol of the Ucos Company and we have банк Югра

close the Macedonian and Serbian borders and make Macedonia send the refugees to be with their brothers in Albania .... after all albanians are refugees.
(John, 19 September 2015 17:35)

In fact brothers always go to brothers.
This is the 2 -nd large migration in Balkan since the Serbians one.
No one of them put a foot in Albania, and this is not " random", they are stationed in Beograde like their serbian brothers did some century before. No?
Blood always "attract" in some way..
I'm laughing in fact, and i really hope they stay in Serbia forever.

By the way you are so ignorant that don't know the "MACEDONIA" don't exist NOW.. - FYROM - FYI!
You have remained still in VII -century in the Serbian massive migration in Balkan territory - when Macedonia was real Macedonian.
Serbs are the only refugees in Balkan - all the world learn this since the elementary schools.

Ataman : “I firmly reject the "alternative" history you are talking about”

9/ How came that Indian leader Tecumseh from Ohio was a red skin while general Sherman Tecumseh also from Ohio was a white ?
10/ How came that the Russian «гюйст» flag is same as the Union Jack while Novorossian flag is same as the one of the Confederates ?
11/ What do you know about the most powerful dynasty in the history of Europe the Oldenburgs and how could Bernadotte ( who wasn’t even a noble ) become the king of Sweden ?
12/ Why did they call (in Russia and Europe) the world war of 1856/57 in Crimea a War for the Cradle of the Lord and the Bethlehem Star ? Why the English and Russian uniforms were the same and who indeed fought whom ?
13/ How came that after 70 years of search the Israelites found no proof that any Bible events had ever happened here ?
14/ How came that famous medieval Tyrants ( Babur, Tamerlane, Mehmet II, ect.) were painted by the Europeans as Russians ?
15/ How came that on 1905 photos of the Ainu people who were ancestors of the Emperor Dynasty of Japan and composed the Samurays they look like Europeans.

You are quite clearly disingenuous in all your writings... or an ignorant dunce.
(factman, 19 September 2015 18:31)

haha... the best evidence that somebody has lost his/her argument with logic and facts is when that somebody, like you, starts with personal attacks :)
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My comments quite clearly say that the first country these people touched was GREECE or ITALY. And those are EU countries.
(factman, 19 September 2015 18:31)

Mate, the first country these people touched is Turkey. In addition, if you take a look at a map Greece and Italy don't have a border with Hungary. This is very simple, mate. People are attempting to enter the EU (Hungary) from Serbia so they will be returned to Serbia. If Serbia does not like that, Serbia is more then welcome to take it up with Macedonia where those people are entering Serbia from. Those people are not entering Serbia from the EU. If we apply your logic, Hungary should deal with Macedonia, not Serbia!!!
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And those EU countries had the responsibility to process them -- or turn them away them --- and not conveniently spill them into the former Yugoslavia. So this is quite clearly a EU created situation. Or did they perhaps fall from the sky into Serbia?
(factman, 19 September 2015 18:31)

They did not fall into Serbia from the EU for sure; if somebody told you that Macedonia is an EU member, you have been grossly misled.

You have a great track record on these forums.
(factman, 19 September 2015 18:31)

Of course, because I can immediately see when somebody is writing BS lol
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Everything you say is wrong.
Go back to splitting legal hairs that's what your good at.
(factman, 19 September 2015 18:31)

Haha, no need to loose it mate. It's not my fault why your arguments are dismantled one by one. It is very simple - do some research before you post. That's the only way for not writing trash and being caught on telling lies like you do.

Next, you can search any newspaper in the world to see that Germany was encouraging and never said please don't come. But said we expect 800,000 asylum seekers this year.
(factman, 19 September 2015 18:31)

"Expect 800,000" is not the same as "take 800,000" that you originally wrote. So, do you have any evidence that for your statement that "Your leadership said publicly that they would take 800,000" or it was just a lie?
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Next, the clear evidence that Serbia was told to process them comes from various Merkel comments that Serbia is an example for the way it is handling this... and for the $2M that Merkel proposed be given to Serbia to setup a processing center... and for all the bio-metric information which Serbia has already passed to Germany.
(factman, 19 September 2015 18:31)

Of course, we do know what you think, but I asked for evidence supporting that. Do you have references to statements from officials, press releases, agreements, treaties about the above? Your words or opinions don't count as evidence.
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Finally, regarding you statement about Hungary.. I can guarantee you that it won't happen.
(factman, 19 September 2015 18:31)

The above can actually be ignored since you are not in charge in Hungary. In the meantime Hungary has started to reject those applications and leave those people in Serbia. I'm really sorry that the reality refuses to obey your wishes!

(radek, 18 September 2015 15:50)

Our distinguished geci commenter has finally climbed out of the sewage hole. Hi mate, how are you?

Rote,

With all due respect towards you I firmly reject the "alternative" history you are talking about in it's current form. I red about it in my (and your) native language, many times visited and photographed well-known (and lesser-known) historical buildings of my (and your) homeland.

In addition I looked up same things in Hungary and spoke in person with archeologists (in Hungary) and different professionals in Russia.

Germans bearing flowers and sweets turned out to welcome them
LOL This is a problem....

Oh, how rich coming from a man like Nikolic. I bet Seselj could tell endless stories how compasionate you, Vucic, Dacic and rest of the people who run Serbia really are.

To your hypocrite prime minister Vucic: You bastard! If your police would have stopped the criminal migrants to throw stones at our Hungarian police from SERBIAN TERRItORY then there would have been no problem! But they did not do it , just stand there ,watched and let this crime happen and did not interviene and now you have the nerve to complain- even in the USA- because hungarian police protected themself from an attack that was coming from your country?? F..k you hypocrite asshole!
(Giay Robert, 18 September 2015 13:19)

Just eat what you cooked geci hungarian bootlickers. Do not forget that your whole political elite including Soros trained pseudonationalist Orsos(whose ancestors came from more distant areas than most of these refuges) were the biggest supporters of NWO actions in the Balkans, Libya,Syria,Ukraine and other conflict zones this way a huge contributors to this migrant wave.The biggest war mongers in the last 20 years Soros,Lantos(fortunatelly already in hell) and sarkozy were of hungarian origin.And do not forget that you were also asian migrants of mixed khazar-mongol origin much more cruel than the most brutal ISIS idiots.

Being a US b_tch is a costly business. US and israel are on a never ending killing spree in the Middle East. As long as the M.E is kept in flames and split along sectarian lines, israel will be the "villa in the jungle" and that's one reason, the other is of course oil & pipelines, like in Syria who refused the US/Qatar proposed pipe for one from it´s ally Iran, which of course started the 4 yearlong "Assad must go" US/saudi/israeli proxy war.

The consequences of those wars is refugees & migrants. The instigators US being too far away and israel a jews only state, that problem is designed for Europe which is about to implode but that´s OK for their US patron who created and smacked in two radical Muslim and as in Bosnia, wahhabi hotspots, in the end the US can "offer" some "help" for some favorable deals of course.

Cause & Effect that´s what happening. If the Serbs hasn´t learned from having a US imposed quisling cult, the ukraine and Libya & Syria nothing will help.

(radek, 18 September 2015 15:50)

Our distinguished geci commenter has finally climbed out of the sewage hole. Hi mate, how are you?

As a Serb ,( from Mitrovichs family all the way from 1717)formerly from Serbia , I have to say this: we Serbians have to STOP attacking our neighbors . Their refugee policy is not any of our business. Serbian political establishment is stupid and always , but always, makes terrible mistakes regarding the political future of Serbia. This always was a problem for the Serbian people who trust their leaders until is too late . We as a nation are unable to predict the terrible results from our actions . Serbia as a small country is not able to suport nor is responsible for the thesepp refugees . There's no such a right that you can cross the boarder of another country as you wish . This is the reason countries have boarders and immigration laws. That Serbia chooses to ignore her own laws it's not Hungary 's problem. But come this winter, it is going to be a Serbian problem . We all see how these migrants behave when they don't get what they expect .

Ribert Glay,

The only hypocrites here are EU countries.

Your rules say that first country of entry should process. That was an EU country called Greece.

Your leadership said publicly that they would take 800,000.

Your leadership told Serbia to accept, process, and forward them.

You should take this up with your own incompetent leadership.

Going on 3 months now there is no leadership -- and the world is watching your incompetence (and your racism).

Take your insolence and go shove it.

My God Serbia! Wake up and shut the door! Close the border at Macedonia and Bulgaria. I am a Serb and I think that the Hungarians got it right. If you don't learn from the past you're doomed to repeat it. Just look at the mess in Bosnia and Kosovo.

Oh Lenard you changed your tune once Croatia had to deal with them - and did you see the bloody pictures from Croatia after the Syrians and Afghans fought each other on who should board the train or bus first?
The other day you were laughing at Serbia's misery with them.

Our distinguished geci commenter has finally climbed out of the sewage hole. Hi mate, how are you?
(Hruz, 18 September 2015 16:13)

Climed out of sewage,climbed of sewage,climbed out sewage.Is there any other expression you can use for those who have different oppinion or hungarian parrots are not creative enough ?Boring mate try something new.Anyway I know truth hurts.Go to Szargyarto Petike and complain about that bad Radek.Buzi Petya may even offer you special sevices for exchange.

The only people unconcerned about ethics in this problem are the illegal immigrants themselves who are just trying to pry loose a handout from people they know are too stupid to know any better. The idiots claim ethics when the crisis is just another act of sadism against the Serbian people.

Your rules say that first country of entry should process. That was an EU country called Greece.
(factman, 18 September 2015 13:41)

Hmm, not sure what you're talking about mate! These people are trying to enter the EU (Hungary) from Serbia, not from Greece. Serbia is a safe country, so it is pretty obvious that asylum claims of people coming from Serbia will generally be denied and they will be returned to Serbia, unless they can show that they will be in danger if they are returned to Serbia.
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Your leadership said publicly that they would take 800,000.
(factman, 18 September 2015 13:41)

Who said that?!
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Your leadership told Serbia to accept, process, and forward them.
(factman, 18 September 2015 13:41)

Evidence?!
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You should take this up with your own incompetent leadership.
(factman, 18 September 2015 13:41)

There is no need to take it with anybody. Hungary will simply apply the law and only accept asylum claims from people coming from unsafe countries.

Lenard

When I was reading your comment I was sure it was by Leonidas …. Congrats as the refugees consolidate the Europeans. I agree almost everything but calling them immigrants means approving the US/Brussels version of the events when the West has no responsibility for the increasing flood. It’s a key moment as it was the West and the mentioned rich Arabs who destroyed several countries who make 90% of the refugee immigrants. By the way Lenard and Leonidas is the same (lion) name. Also I appreciate you for not spitting as it's not spitting time today.

close the Macedonian and Serbian borders and make Macedonia send the refugees to be with their brothers in Albania .... after all albanians are refugees.

icj1,

You are quite clearly disingenuous in all your writings... or an ignorant dunce.

My comments quite clearly say that the first country these people touched was GREECE or ITALY. And those are EU countries. And those EU countries had the responsibility to process them -- or turn them away them --- and not conveniently spill them into the former Yugoslavia. So this is quite clearly a EU created situation. Or did they perhaps fall from the sky into Serbia?

Next, you can search any newspaper in the world to see that Germany was encouraging and never said please don't come. But said we expect 800,000 asylum seekers this year.

Next, the clear evidence that Serbia was told to process them comes from various Merkel comments that Serbia is an example for the way it is handling this... and for the $2M that Merkel proposed be given to Serbia to setup a processing center... and for all the bio-metric information which Serbia has already passed to Germany.

Finally, regarding you statement about Hungary.. I can guarantee you that it won't happen.

You have a great track record on these forums.

Everything you say is wrong.

Go back to splitting legal hairs that's what your good at.

if you weren't so disingenuous, it would be nice to exchange ideas with you, but you prefer it this way.

So Serbia, does it make sense to such a dysfunctional entity as the EU?

Sarah very well said. The useless EU bureaucrats and their handlers hiding behind the seen. Have a wicked agenda they will pace draconian laws on all of Europe who listen to their criminal BS. They are going to let the migrant crises escalate until they have full fascist control. Germany is threatening to cut off every country from money if they don't listen to German BS. European country's peoples fight to keep your freedoms from slavery from people disguised as sheep but underneath ravenous rabid wolf's. Most of those economic migrants are just young men over 80%. When they settle in Europe they will send for their large extended families. As the native European populations are on a steep decline already. They will take over and you will be living in a totally alien Islam Europe. Why don't they go to the rich Arab gulf states. They don't want them you know how many refugees they accepted big fat 0. But will build for the migrants Mosques to their hearts desire and send evil teachers to tell them how evil is Europe. Europe is so dumb and the political correctness total brainwashing BS. That is taking over Europe the evil political puppets and their minions. Making any one who dares to stand up against it a "criminal". Lets all stand up and throw all the evil bums out.

Ataman

“The "mongol" could be only one tribe … The "khazars" … "Megyer" was probably from … No one knows, why exactly ”

Because you enjoy good Russian you can afford sources available in my country to refuse from many of your dogmas and fears. Shortly 1653 was the year when (in the new history of Russia) Mongolo-Tatars were first mentioned as a foreign invasion but nobody took it serious. Later in 18-19 centuries the Romanovs offered great money for investigation about the sequences of the M-T invasion but all Russian scientists refused because they had nothing to write about. Great Tartaria can be found on all old maps and sometimes they used a Greek word Megaleon Tartaria. This country seized Europe between 1318 and 1329 and ruled it before 1584 when Europe rebelled and in several decades got free. By mid 16 century both Americas, Asia and Africa became parts of the Great Horde. Magyars were active part of the great Slav-Turk Empire. They were known as Ugri (угры, Угория) and were marked on the Great Stamp of the Great Kniaz/Khans as Великое княжество Угорское. I can find you links. Read the title of Vladislav IV and try to explain it from traditional history point : Владислав IV, милостью Божьей король польский, великий князь литовский, русский, прусский, мазовецкий, самогитский, ливонский, а также наследный король шведов, готов, вендов, избранный великий князь московский … Югра was the capitol of the Ucos Company and we have банк Югра

We all see how these migrants behave when they don't get what they expect .
(Sarah, 18 September 2015 18:30)


Many people posting here used to be migrants or asylum seekers during their life.
With all differences I don't think anyone behaved like that when we did not "get" what we did "expect". In the fact, we did not expect anything and of course faced the stupidity of the bureaucrats.

The proper solution is to filter out the people who behave normal and kick out the thugs. It can be done even before they start their way to Europe, in Turkish or Jordanian refugee camps. With only little diligence and organization the undesirable element won't even reach Gevgelija or Presevo.

If the EU/Germany would simply state they were no longer welcome. Then the entire route should be stopped and the migrants sent back to Turkey, where they were all launched from and many had been living and working for years, or Greece, the first Schengen country they set foot in.

Greece is doing absolutely nothing to stop them and the EU is not putting any type of pressure on Turkey to stop this.

Turkey is laughing all the way to the bank. They are doing record sales of boats and rafts and Turkish smugglers get more than a thousand per person.

close the Macedonian and Serbian borders and make Macedonia send the refugees to be with their brothers in Albania .... after all albanians are refugees.
(John, 19 September 2015 17:35)

In fact brothers always go to brothers.
This is the 2 -nd large migration in Balkan since the Serbians one.
No one of them put a foot in Albania, and this is not " random", they are stationed in Beograde like their serbian brothers did some century before. No?
Blood always "attract" in some way..
I'm laughing in fact, and i really hope they stay in Serbia forever.

By the way you are so ignorant that don't know the "MACEDONIA" don't exist NOW.. - FYROM - FYI!
You have remained still in VII -century in the Serbian massive migration in Balkan territory - when Macedonia was real Macedonian.
Serbs are the only refugees in Balkan - all the world learn this since the elementary schools.

Ataman : “I firmly reject the "alternative" history you are talking about”

9/ How came that Indian leader Tecumseh from Ohio was a red skin while general Sherman Tecumseh also from Ohio was a white ?
10/ How came that the Russian «гюйст» flag is same as the Union Jack while Novorossian flag is same as the one of the Confederates ?
11/ What do you know about the most powerful dynasty in the history of Europe the Oldenburgs and how could Bernadotte ( who wasn’t even a noble ) become the king of Sweden ?
12/ Why did they call (in Russia and Europe) the world war of 1856/57 in Crimea a War for the Cradle of the Lord and the Bethlehem Star ? Why the English and Russian uniforms were the same and who indeed fought whom ?
13/ How came that after 70 years of search the Israelites found no proof that any Bible events had ever happened here ?
14/ How came that famous medieval Tyrants ( Babur, Tamerlane, Mehmet II, ect.) were painted by the Europeans as Russians ?
15/ How came that on 1905 photos of the Ainu people who were ancestors of the Emperor Dynasty of Japan and composed the Samurays they look like Europeans.

And do not forget that you were also asian migrants of mixed khazar-mongol origin much more cruel than the most brutal ISIS idiots.
(radek, 18 September 2015 15:50)

Radek,

1) The "mongol" could be only one tribe, the Yue-Chi / Jenö (?) out of 7 +3.
The "khazars" where the 3 tribes. At least one tribe (the main "Megyer") was probably from Caucasus or even Eastern Anatolia / Middle East. That tribe gave the name to the nation and it's origin is simply unknown, so the language they spoke (very different from the Turkic language of the rest). No one knows, why exactly that language became the "lingua franca" of that 7+ 3 tribe confederation. It was a rather loose confederation at begin, that is what we know.

2) You touched my nerve with the "cruelty" because it is unfortunately true, word-by-word.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyorgy_Dozsa

See the execution of György Dózsa.

I don't think ever anyone was killed more cruel way. With that horror (in my opinion) the fate / karma of Hungary was sealed for centuries and it is why we are suffering now.

The catastrophe at Mohács was the direct consequence of that horror, and so the bad luck just went on and went on.

This is my superstition and probably it's a rubbish - but who knows.
I do not know who initiated that Dózsa-horror. It is beyond any imagination.

"Speaking to reporters in Belgrade on Friday, Tomislav Nikolic said that "selfishness has also emerged in some EU members"

I would prefer mr. Nikolic to speak about contemporary issues.

Greece is doing absolutely nothing to stop them and the EU is not putting any type of pressure on Turkey to stop this.

Turkey is laughing all the way to the bank. They are doing record sales of boats and rafts and Turkish smugglers get more than a thousand per person.
(ida, 19 September 2015 08:55)

The external Greek-Eastern Mediterranean borders are secured by Frontex-the European Border Agency-and the Greek coast Guard.Frontex doesn't allow the Greek coastal guard to turn back refugee boats-against EU rules.
Do you know what's going in Patras port for instance? Thousands of illegal immigrants are gathered seeking the opportunity to take a ship for Italy. And the Greek police stops them for doing so! Turkey on the other hand does not take them back, as it is obliged to do, so they are stuck here and we are stuck with them. This is completely insane!!!
Shenghen Agreement is a disaster for Greece. As a border country Greece receives all illegal immigrants that most of them want to eventually rich other EU countries like Germany, but it has the obligation under this shameful treaty to keep them!
It suffices to say that the whole human trafficking from Turkey is state sponsored and as you rightly say the Turks are laughing all the way to the bank.

Rote,

With all due respect towards you I firmly reject the "alternative" history you are talking about in it's current form. I red about it in my (and your) native language, many times visited and photographed well-known (and lesser-known) historical buildings of my (and your) homeland.

In addition I looked up same things in Hungary and spoke in person with archeologists (in Hungary) and different professionals in Russia.

Your rules say that first country of entry should process. That was an EU country called Greece.
factman, 18 September 2015 13:41

So what? If these people are really "refugees"-which I very much doubt it-then it becomes a UN problem and not an EU one.The Geneva Convention on Refugees states: "A person may be called an`asylum seeker´ until considered with the status of `refugee´by the Contracting State where they formally make a claim for sanctuary or right of asylum." Most of these people-if one believes the Western Media-are coming from UN established refugee camps in Turkey and Lebanon.Why didn't they ask for asylum there? Because according to the Turkish interior minister Efkan Ala they wanted to move to Western Europe.Furthermore,too many of these people are coming in with no identification -so it becomes impossible to register them-but all seem to have had time to get dressed in the latest designer clothes and grab their mobile phones and selfie sticks.Now the truth of the matter is Merkel has opened the flood gates with not a single thought as to how they'll be closed again.

Leonidas, than ask UN to deal with it. I would say that only Finland and Serbia have followed international rules in this refugee crisis which sadly will result to their peril. I heard a refugee here in Finland say that POLICE, POLICE IS SELLING FAKE IDS AND DOCUMENTS IN GREECE FOR 100 EUROS.

There is a simple solution, Serbia close Macedonia border and these refugees are stuck. Vucic and Nikolic are even bigger idiots than hrvat premier.

Germans bearing flowers and sweets turned out to welcome them
LOL This is a problem....

You are quite clearly disingenuous in all your writings... or an ignorant dunce.
(factman, 19 September 2015 18:31)

haha... the best evidence that somebody has lost his/her argument with logic and facts is when that somebody, like you, starts with personal attacks :)
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My comments quite clearly say that the first country these people touched was GREECE or ITALY. And those are EU countries.
(factman, 19 September 2015 18:31)

Mate, the first country these people touched is Turkey. In addition, if you take a look at a map Greece and Italy don't have a border with Hungary. This is very simple, mate. People are attempting to enter the EU (Hungary) from Serbia so they will be returned to Serbia. If Serbia does not like that, Serbia is more then welcome to take it up with Macedonia where those people are entering Serbia from. Those people are not entering Serbia from the EU. If we apply your logic, Hungary should deal with Macedonia, not Serbia!!!
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And those EU countries had the responsibility to process them -- or turn them away them --- and not conveniently spill them into the former Yugoslavia. So this is quite clearly a EU created situation. Or did they perhaps fall from the sky into Serbia?
(factman, 19 September 2015 18:31)

They did not fall into Serbia from the EU for sure; if somebody told you that Macedonia is an EU member, you have been grossly misled.

You have a great track record on these forums.
(factman, 19 September 2015 18:31)

Of course, because I can immediately see when somebody is writing BS lol
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Everything you say is wrong.
Go back to splitting legal hairs that's what your good at.
(factman, 19 September 2015 18:31)

Haha, no need to loose it mate. It's not my fault why your arguments are dismantled one by one. It is very simple - do some research before you post. That's the only way for not writing trash and being caught on telling lies like you do.

Next, you can search any newspaper in the world to see that Germany was encouraging and never said please don't come. But said we expect 800,000 asylum seekers this year.
(factman, 19 September 2015 18:31)

"Expect 800,000" is not the same as "take 800,000" that you originally wrote. So, do you have any evidence that for your statement that "Your leadership said publicly that they would take 800,000" or it was just a lie?
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Next, the clear evidence that Serbia was told to process them comes from various Merkel comments that Serbia is an example for the way it is handling this... and for the $2M that Merkel proposed be given to Serbia to setup a processing center... and for all the bio-metric information which Serbia has already passed to Germany.
(factman, 19 September 2015 18:31)

Of course, we do know what you think, but I asked for evidence supporting that. Do you have references to statements from officials, press releases, agreements, treaties about the above? Your words or opinions don't count as evidence.
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Finally, regarding you statement about Hungary.. I can guarantee you that it won't happen.
(factman, 19 September 2015 18:31)

The above can actually be ignored since you are not in charge in Hungary. In the meantime Hungary has started to reject those applications and leave those people in Serbia. I'm really sorry that the reality refuses to obey your wishes!