As for which country should deal with these problems, the answer is to have an EU fund that supports countries with exceptional inflows so that they are not tempted to duck their responsibilities and allow migrants to pass through on the way to the EU border. Future membership of Schengen and adherence to the Dublin Conventions will require EU membership hopefuls to deal with asylum seekers themselves rather than palm them off onto others.
(ned taylor, 31 August 2015 11:33)
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Are you suggesting that these migrants stay in countries like Macedonia or Serbia? Even with financial help I would never suggest such a thing. How long is this financial help going to last? These people are likely to stay on welfare for the rest of their lives and keep breeding more welfare receipients. They have proven that already.
In any case neither Serbia nor Macedonia have done anything to cause this huge problem. It's countries like UK, France, US, Canada and Australia which have attacked their countries and have supported radical Islamists there so they should bear the brunt of this. They should be responsible. Why should the rest of the world pay for their greed?
Serbia is playing a part in encouraging this particular route by doing all these extra things for refugees.
Serbia is only betraying its own citizenship by allowing such a huge influx of unknown migrants - some being militants/jihadists, others carrying tuberculosis, etc.
(ida, 29 August 2015 04:27
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True. Serbia doesn't owe them anything Serbia never took part in attacking their country and supporting Ilsamic radicals but Serbia can't help jumping in, harming their own country and citizens in order to appear generous and democratic to the west which hates her.
We don't see Croatia offering to help and they are in the EU. They could just as easily be directed to the Croatian border and let Croatia deal with them. Why is Serbia doing harm to itself and it's people?
"from countries like Greece and Macedonia" ??? Either Zoltan Kovacs don’t know the map of Balkan or b92 didn’t cite the full speech and left out Serbia, witch actually is doing the most, to held migrants in reaching the Schengen countries.
(Gazi, 28 August 2015 11:43
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So what is Serbia supposed to do with them? Serbia doesn't have a coastline so they are coming from another country first and that country is helping them reach Serbia.
Serbia didn't cause this global mess. The west did and it's western countries, especially UK, US, France, Canada and Australia which should pay the price. I know that I live in Australia and I am affected by this but it's the west who has to sort this mess out. Western countries are encouraging them to settle there because they take every pushy illegal migrant who comes to their shores.
So why should Serbia pay the price and settle them in Serbia? Serbia is caught up in this mess too now.
With the un-believable rise in the need for food banks all over western Europe these people are flooding to our countries where we cant afford to keep them, we need to sent them back and close Europe off to all these economic migrants not refuges...
its OK our ,politicians telling us we need to help but they do not move to their streets they do not have to live along side them we do and I for one DO NOT WANT THEM
Atheist Dave: You are quite right that economic migrants should stay in their own countries but it is a bit much to imply that all those on the move at present fit into this category. If the West destabilises countries like Iraq and Syria, even if there is little choice but to do so, it must expect that some people will find it necessary to leave their rump state and seek help elsewhere. Let's also use the correct word 'smuggler' rather than 'trafficker'. The former simply arranges a journey and takes money for doing so. A trafficker retains control over a person for the purpose of exploiting them on an ongoing basis to make money; prostitution, child labour etc. A trafficker would ensure that his 'product' reached its destination as he has a financial interest in doing so. A smuggler couldn't care less what happens to a migrant once he has been paid.
As for which country should deal with these problems, the answer is to have an EU fund that supports countries with exceptional inflows so that they are not tempted to duck their responsibilities and allow migrants to pass through on the way to the EU border. Future membership of Schengen and adherence to the Dublin Conventions will require EU membership hopefuls to deal with asylum seekers themselves rather than palm them off onto others.
Serbia is playing a part in encouraging this particular route by doing all these extra things for refugees. This also encourages the human traffickers, who are literally making a killing of all this. In Austria there were 71 migrants who died in a Hungarian-licensed truck. The driver is said to be Romanian. Hungary then arrested 21 smugglers and 16 were Romanian. So Romanian people smugglers are taking advantage of this even though their country is lucky not to be part of a major migrant route like Serbia and Hungary.
And the British press identified a Brit jihadist who used the Serbian route to return to Britain, after fighting in Syria.
This is a way for them to bypass airline security.
Serbia is only betraying its own citizenship by allowing such a huge influx of unknown migrants - some being militants/jihadists, others carrying tuberculosis, etc.
These are economic refugees.
There are even safe countries in Africa. The same continent they are leaving.
They are basically looking for rich countries that have generous social assistance.
Who is organising this vast population transfer and why? These so-called "refugees" don't look desperate to me. They are well clothed, well fed and appear well educated. Compare these agressive and demanding "refugees" with the hundreds of thousands of Serbs expelled by NATO and Croats in Operation Storm. There is no comparison. The Serbs fled for their lives, these Arab, Asian and African "refugees" are moving to better their lives and, once they become a local majority, to turn their new European towns and cities into an Islamic Caliphate.
So, Serbia is doing the most to help these immigrants reach the EU? if Serbia didn't help immigrants get to Europe how would all albanians have been able to get there? Albanians escape their beloved Albania and Kosovo by either going on an overcrowded boat or in the trunk of a car through Serbia. So be tankful to Serbia so your countrymen can send money back home or you would all starve.
These migrants should be settled in Turkey, Bosnia or Albania. The last thing we want is more Muslims in northern and west Europe. Economic migrants should stay put in their own countries and contribute in making their country better. The UK is starting to take a hardline on mirgrants which is good news.
"from countries like Greece and Macedonia" ??? Either Zoltan Kovacs don’t know the map of Balkan or b92 didn’t cite the full speech and left out Serbia, witch actually is doing the most, to held migrants in reaching the Schengen countries.
Who is organising this vast population transfer and why? These so-called "refugees" don't look desperate to me. They are well clothed, well fed and appear well educated. Compare these agressive and demanding "refugees" with the hundreds of thousands of Serbs expelled by NATO and Croats in Operation Storm. There is no comparison. The Serbs fled for their lives, these Arab, Asian and African "refugees" are moving to better their lives and, once they become a local majority, to turn their new European towns and cities into an Islamic Caliphate.
These migrants should be settled in Turkey, Bosnia or Albania. The last thing we want is more Muslims in northern and west Europe. Economic migrants should stay put in their own countries and contribute in making their country better. The UK is starting to take a hardline on mirgrants which is good news.
So, Serbia is doing the most to help these immigrants reach the EU? if Serbia didn't help immigrants get to Europe how would all albanians have been able to get there? Albanians escape their beloved Albania and Kosovo by either going on an overcrowded boat or in the trunk of a car through Serbia. So be tankful to Serbia so your countrymen can send money back home or you would all starve.
"from countries like Greece and Macedonia" ??? Either Zoltan Kovacs don’t know the map of Balkan or b92 didn’t cite the full speech and left out Serbia, witch actually is doing the most, to held migrants in reaching the Schengen countries.
These are economic refugees.
There are even safe countries in Africa. The same continent they are leaving.
They are basically looking for rich countries that have generous social assistance.
Serbia is playing a part in encouraging this particular route by doing all these extra things for refugees. This also encourages the human traffickers, who are literally making a killing of all this. In Austria there were 71 migrants who died in a Hungarian-licensed truck. The driver is said to be Romanian. Hungary then arrested 21 smugglers and 16 were Romanian. So Romanian people smugglers are taking advantage of this even though their country is lucky not to be part of a major migrant route like Serbia and Hungary.
And the British press identified a Brit jihadist who used the Serbian route to return to Britain, after fighting in Syria.
This is a way for them to bypass airline security.
Serbia is only betraying its own citizenship by allowing such a huge influx of unknown migrants - some being militants/jihadists, others carrying tuberculosis, etc.
With the un-believable rise in the need for food banks all over western Europe these people are flooding to our countries where we cant afford to keep them, we need to sent them back and close Europe off to all these economic migrants not refuges...
its OK our ,politicians telling us we need to help but they do not move to their streets they do not have to live along side them we do and I for one DO NOT WANT THEM
"from countries like Greece and Macedonia" ??? Either Zoltan Kovacs don’t know the map of Balkan or b92 didn’t cite the full speech and left out Serbia, witch actually is doing the most, to held migrants in reaching the Schengen countries.
(Gazi, 28 August 2015 11:43
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So what is Serbia supposed to do with them? Serbia doesn't have a coastline so they are coming from another country first and that country is helping them reach Serbia.
Serbia didn't cause this global mess. The west did and it's western countries, especially UK, US, France, Canada and Australia which should pay the price. I know that I live in Australia and I am affected by this but it's the west who has to sort this mess out. Western countries are encouraging them to settle there because they take every pushy illegal migrant who comes to their shores.
So why should Serbia pay the price and settle them in Serbia? Serbia is caught up in this mess too now.
Serbia is playing a part in encouraging this particular route by doing all these extra things for refugees.
Serbia is only betraying its own citizenship by allowing such a huge influx of unknown migrants - some being militants/jihadists, others carrying tuberculosis, etc.
(ida, 29 August 2015 04:27
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True. Serbia doesn't owe them anything Serbia never took part in attacking their country and supporting Ilsamic radicals but Serbia can't help jumping in, harming their own country and citizens in order to appear generous and democratic to the west which hates her.
We don't see Croatia offering to help and they are in the EU. They could just as easily be directed to the Croatian border and let Croatia deal with them. Why is Serbia doing harm to itself and it's people?
Atheist Dave: You are quite right that economic migrants should stay in their own countries but it is a bit much to imply that all those on the move at present fit into this category. If the West destabilises countries like Iraq and Syria, even if there is little choice but to do so, it must expect that some people will find it necessary to leave their rump state and seek help elsewhere. Let's also use the correct word 'smuggler' rather than 'trafficker'. The former simply arranges a journey and takes money for doing so. A trafficker retains control over a person for the purpose of exploiting them on an ongoing basis to make money; prostitution, child labour etc. A trafficker would ensure that his 'product' reached its destination as he has a financial interest in doing so. A smuggler couldn't care less what happens to a migrant once he has been paid.
As for which country should deal with these problems, the answer is to have an EU fund that supports countries with exceptional inflows so that they are not tempted to duck their responsibilities and allow migrants to pass through on the way to the EU border. Future membership of Schengen and adherence to the Dublin Conventions will require EU membership hopefuls to deal with asylum seekers themselves rather than palm them off onto others.
As for which country should deal with these problems, the answer is to have an EU fund that supports countries with exceptional inflows so that they are not tempted to duck their responsibilities and allow migrants to pass through on the way to the EU border. Future membership of Schengen and adherence to the Dublin Conventions will require EU membership hopefuls to deal with asylum seekers themselves rather than palm them off onto others.
(ned taylor, 31 August 2015 11:33)
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Are you suggesting that these migrants stay in countries like Macedonia or Serbia? Even with financial help I would never suggest such a thing. How long is this financial help going to last? These people are likely to stay on welfare for the rest of their lives and keep breeding more welfare receipients. They have proven that already.
In any case neither Serbia nor Macedonia have done anything to cause this huge problem. It's countries like UK, France, US, Canada and Australia which have attacked their countries and have supported radical Islamists there so they should bear the brunt of this. They should be responsible. Why should the rest of the world pay for their greed?
"from countries like Greece and Macedonia" ??? Either Zoltan Kovacs don’t know the map of Balkan or b92 didn’t cite the full speech and left out Serbia, witch actually is doing the most, to held migrants in reaching the Schengen countries.
So, Serbia is doing the most to help these immigrants reach the EU? if Serbia didn't help immigrants get to Europe how would all albanians have been able to get there? Albanians escape their beloved Albania and Kosovo by either going on an overcrowded boat or in the trunk of a car through Serbia. So be tankful to Serbia so your countrymen can send money back home or you would all starve.
Who is organising this vast population transfer and why? These so-called "refugees" don't look desperate to me. They are well clothed, well fed and appear well educated. Compare these agressive and demanding "refugees" with the hundreds of thousands of Serbs expelled by NATO and Croats in Operation Storm. There is no comparison. The Serbs fled for their lives, these Arab, Asian and African "refugees" are moving to better their lives and, once they become a local majority, to turn their new European towns and cities into an Islamic Caliphate.
These migrants should be settled in Turkey, Bosnia or Albania. The last thing we want is more Muslims in northern and west Europe. Economic migrants should stay put in their own countries and contribute in making their country better. The UK is starting to take a hardline on mirgrants which is good news.
Serbia is playing a part in encouraging this particular route by doing all these extra things for refugees. This also encourages the human traffickers, who are literally making a killing of all this. In Austria there were 71 migrants who died in a Hungarian-licensed truck. The driver is said to be Romanian. Hungary then arrested 21 smugglers and 16 were Romanian. So Romanian people smugglers are taking advantage of this even though their country is lucky not to be part of a major migrant route like Serbia and Hungary.
And the British press identified a Brit jihadist who used the Serbian route to return to Britain, after fighting in Syria.
This is a way for them to bypass airline security.
Serbia is only betraying its own citizenship by allowing such a huge influx of unknown migrants - some being militants/jihadists, others carrying tuberculosis, etc.
These are economic refugees.
There are even safe countries in Africa. The same continent they are leaving.
They are basically looking for rich countries that have generous social assistance.
Atheist Dave: You are quite right that economic migrants should stay in their own countries but it is a bit much to imply that all those on the move at present fit into this category. If the West destabilises countries like Iraq and Syria, even if there is little choice but to do so, it must expect that some people will find it necessary to leave their rump state and seek help elsewhere. Let's also use the correct word 'smuggler' rather than 'trafficker'. The former simply arranges a journey and takes money for doing so. A trafficker retains control over a person for the purpose of exploiting them on an ongoing basis to make money; prostitution, child labour etc. A trafficker would ensure that his 'product' reached its destination as he has a financial interest in doing so. A smuggler couldn't care less what happens to a migrant once he has been paid.
As for which country should deal with these problems, the answer is to have an EU fund that supports countries with exceptional inflows so that they are not tempted to duck their responsibilities and allow migrants to pass through on the way to the EU border. Future membership of Schengen and adherence to the Dublin Conventions will require EU membership hopefuls to deal with asylum seekers themselves rather than palm them off onto others.
With the un-believable rise in the need for food banks all over western Europe these people are flooding to our countries where we cant afford to keep them, we need to sent them back and close Europe off to all these economic migrants not refuges...
its OK our ,politicians telling us we need to help but they do not move to their streets they do not have to live along side them we do and I for one DO NOT WANT THEM
As for which country should deal with these problems, the answer is to have an EU fund that supports countries with exceptional inflows so that they are not tempted to duck their responsibilities and allow migrants to pass through on the way to the EU border. Future membership of Schengen and adherence to the Dublin Conventions will require EU membership hopefuls to deal with asylum seekers themselves rather than palm them off onto others.
(ned taylor, 31 August 2015 11:33)
===================================
Are you suggesting that these migrants stay in countries like Macedonia or Serbia? Even with financial help I would never suggest such a thing. How long is this financial help going to last? These people are likely to stay on welfare for the rest of their lives and keep breeding more welfare receipients. They have proven that already.
In any case neither Serbia nor Macedonia have done anything to cause this huge problem. It's countries like UK, France, US, Canada and Australia which have attacked their countries and have supported radical Islamists there so they should bear the brunt of this. They should be responsible. Why should the rest of the world pay for their greed?
Serbia is playing a part in encouraging this particular route by doing all these extra things for refugees.
Serbia is only betraying its own citizenship by allowing such a huge influx of unknown migrants - some being militants/jihadists, others carrying tuberculosis, etc.
(ida, 29 August 2015 04:27
===============================
True. Serbia doesn't owe them anything Serbia never took part in attacking their country and supporting Ilsamic radicals but Serbia can't help jumping in, harming their own country and citizens in order to appear generous and democratic to the west which hates her.
We don't see Croatia offering to help and they are in the EU. They could just as easily be directed to the Croatian border and let Croatia deal with them. Why is Serbia doing harm to itself and it's people?
"from countries like Greece and Macedonia" ??? Either Zoltan Kovacs don’t know the map of Balkan or b92 didn’t cite the full speech and left out Serbia, witch actually is doing the most, to held migrants in reaching the Schengen countries.
(Gazi, 28 August 2015 11:43
====================================
So what is Serbia supposed to do with them? Serbia doesn't have a coastline so they are coming from another country first and that country is helping them reach Serbia.
Serbia didn't cause this global mess. The west did and it's western countries, especially UK, US, France, Canada and Australia which should pay the price. I know that I live in Australia and I am affected by this but it's the west who has to sort this mess out. Western countries are encouraging them to settle there because they take every pushy illegal migrant who comes to their shores.
So why should Serbia pay the price and settle them in Serbia? Serbia is caught up in this mess too now.
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