Catalan MEP convinced Serbia must recognize Kosovo

John, or Borislav, whatever your name is

Serbia lost Kosovo long time ago, and there's nothing you can do about it anymore. The aggression on Kosovo albanian civilians wasn't the right choice, now you bear the consequences.

The sooner you accept the reality, the better for you and all balkans.

Oh dear, Serbian keyboard warriors out in full force again? Even the idiots on planet earth know that recognition of The Republic Of Kosova by Serbia will be a major condition, the EU might reword the aggrement between the 2 in a special manner, but its interpretation will clearly be one of Serbia's recognition by Serbia toward Kosovo,, and Nikolic, Vucic & co are aware of this requirement, mark these words!
The EU will simply not risk Serbia's admission within the EU until Serbia recognizes a sovereign Kosovo, they will not even contemplate another armed conflict between Kosovo & Serbia a conflict which will actually manifest into a Balkan war, in short a European war! The almost 2 million majority 97% Albanian citizens of the Repubic of Kosovo will no way in hell allow for Serbian governship or claims made upon the Republic of Kosovo, period! And every one of you out there knows this fact quite well, whether it be Albanian, Serbian, or any other nationality that exists on planet earth!

Serbia is better off without the eu just look at the disaster they caused in Greece. Greece was running smoothly until they joined that disaster eu. The Serbs dont need a dictatorship from the eu. Kosovo is Serbia and NO OTHER sh*thole of a country has the right to tell them to give up their land.

Just be patient because we’ll be back sooner or later.

(rote, 18 August 2015 15:51)

Where are you gonna be back? You are a joke. You keep dreaming but it will never happen. You Serbs still do not realize that Kosovo was not taken from you, It never belonged to you, You occupied it in early 1900s and you gave it away in the 90s. You will never have Kosovo again, never. Thats it

"Just be patient because we’ll be back sooner or later."

Do you guys watch any news? You keep listening to those post milosevic politicans nationalistic speech after all this time, even though they meet and make agreements with politicans representing the REPUBLIC OF KOSOVO.

Vucic knows that Kosovo is long gone, but he still needs to keep you warm for the next elections, and you keep eating his bull**it for breakfast. So sad

Some self interest there, they think it will help their cause for independence. They were also keen for Scotland to vote for independence too.

Written by a Catalan

Big deal!
You know what they say about opinions and A** holes?
This guys is a nobody whose promoting a personal and illegal agenda.
No wonder the criminal albanian embrace him.

(rote, 18 August 2015 19:18)

1. Could you tell to me how many battle Russian army did against Turks in a territory non Russian ( for exmp. Armenian, Romanian, Bulgarian etc ) in WWI? Answer to me!

2. Could you tell me how many battles Russian army, US army, British army did in WWII in a territory which was not their territory?
With your logic all those territory should be Russian just because the Russian army fought in those territory?
Really?
To many battles of Albanian army against Turks were made in today Macedonia, or even in northern Greece, for not permitted them to enter in Albanian territory.
So what??
About the orthodox monasteries - do you know that the center of Serbian religious and secular culture was in Greece, and even the first serbian university. So what Serbs should pretend even land there no???
This just show that there was a time when Serbs - Albanians and Greeks lived in peace with each other.
About the Albanian monastery - you know very well that Albanians were Catholics - and Turks destroy all the Catholics churches and monastery and they don't destroy nothing Orthodox. Few Catholics churches survived in Albania - while Orthodox churches are to hundreds.
Maybe just a check in the next years in Vatican old documents will show the real truth.Turks were more friendly to Serbs than to Albanians.Turks have done incredible massacres against Albanian population.

My Comments:

Kosovo is not Albanian.

Albania is Albanian.

The population in Kosovo is just a bleed over from next door.

More Serbs should be living in Kosovo, but they were quietly ethnically cleansed by Albanians.

Kosovo is misappropriated Serbian territory.

Catalonia should not leave Spain unless it wants to be a small nothing.

'Independent' Kosovo is a small nothing.

You know, I agree. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. The problem is, Serbia likely will not get membership even IF it recognizes its own occupation as a country and self-capitulates. Neither will the Albanians however. But self capitulating would mean giving up the billions dollars worth of property rights Serbia has in Kosovo-Metohija which Serbia indebted itself to create. Even today the property that Serbia controls is in the billions. And the EU will want Serbia to revoke its rights over that too.

Brezovica, Trepca, Gazivoda + the Serbian Orthodox Churches are worth a lot more than EU membership ever will be. Even if Serbia cannot exercise its sovereignty over all of Kosovo-Metohija at the moment, it is still worth holding onto this.

In his statement for the Pristina paper, Terricabras, who is Catalan, "added that the only reason Spain has not recognized Kosovo is Catalonia." He then said that "this is ridiculous, because the people of Catalonia will freely decide on their future whether Spain recognizes Kosovo or not." - Finally some clarity and truth telling from our friends in Spain. It's time to stop the wars against Kosova and Bosnia, and learn to live in peace with yr neighbors...

@Ari Gold:

You confess your infamous Serbia spent all that money on PR that " KosovA is Serbia" nonsense when in reality it was all about the natural resources " Trepca Billions".

You do understand that natural resource belongs to the indigenous natives.....

Serbia has yet to pay War Restitution/Reparations.....

Ari Gold your job is in jeopardy once Serbia recognizes Kosova. And you will finally feel stupid.....

He believes that the EP "should act a lot faster when it comes to visa liberalization for Kosovo," and stressed the fact Kosovo is "the only country for which visas have not been canceled represents unfair treatment of citizens of Kosovo by Europe."

Why unfair? The independent corrupt mafia state of Kosovo simply doesn't fulfill the minimal conditions needed for EU visa liberalization. It would be suicide for the EU to give visa to Kosovo citizens who only want to escape the self-elected economic misery, as you can see with the absurd asylum abuse by Kosovo citizens.

"Greece was running smoothly until they joined that disaster eu."
(John, 18 August 2015 13:11)

Yes, standards in Greece were about the same level as Albania before joining EU, but the corruption and patronage was running smoothly indeed.

Free Catalonia.

"Absolutely and without a doubt Serbia will be under obligation to do that before joining the EU"

Maybe best if they stop before it is too late ?

Revolution

“Serbia lost Kosovo long time ago, and there's nothing you can do about it”


There’s an optimistic Russian song for children :

На медведя я друзья выйду без испуга
Если с другом буду я а медведь без друга

http://muzofon.com/search/%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%8F%20%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9%D0%B4%D1%83%20%D1%8F

my interpretation :

Against a bear I shall go without fear my friends
If I go with a friend while the bear without


Just be patient because we’ll be back sooner or later.

He says that because if Catalunya were to become independent then they would need Spain's and other countries' recognition to get into the EU and that is not going to happen.

Catalan MEP,giving his mighty opinion .Who the hell his he in world political's,and issues. If he has no issues ,why doesn't he push for the Albanians not requiring visas for Spain.They then can have a extra million Albanian's from kosovo tourist,but they will be permanent ,since he loves people from the province of Kosovo ,he can have them for ever on the beaches of Barcelona.

UnikKatil

“Serbs still do not realize that Kosovo was not taken from you, It never belonged to you”

Maybe you can explain why Serbs fought on Kosovo field in 1389 and how the Serbian churches and monasteries were delivered there if it always belonged to the Shqiptaret ? Or you believe that Serbians built them for their neighbors ?

Rockhead, this is a serbian site so it is no surprise serbs come here. What is annoying is it has been infected with people like you. Go post your silliness on Albanian or Croatian sites where you can meet like minded fools and liars if serbian posters bother you on a serbian site. I mean the cheek of you, I guess Albanians now want to steal Serbian media sites as well. Anything that isn't nailed down. Plus ca change.

Rote

"Maybe you can explain why Serbs fought on Kosovo field in 1389 and how the Serbian churches and monasteries were delivered there if it always belonged to the Shqiptaret ? Or you believe that Serbians built them for their neighbors ?"


Its obvious to many, that Albanians and Serbs have so different views on history and I will avoid discussing about it for the moment.
Having centuries-old churches in Kosovo is the main among few arguments Serbs have always brought up. How can you compare having old buildings in a territory to having over 90% of the population being of a completely distinctive ethnic group ?? The two are not even comparable.
You wouldn't even have to answer me because I know what you will say. The Albanians did ethnic cleansing in Kosovo and expelled the Serbs who are the victims.
Well my question then would be: How could have Albanians have expelled Serbs from Kosovo when the later was ruled from Belgrade for almost all of last century ??? How can that be possible? You were running the place by all means. Only a fool would believe that. There was ethnic cleansing but in the opposite direction and that"s what made you loose Kosovo for good. You cant even imagine how colossally you failed to keep dominating Kosovo in the 90s when Albania itself was doing close to nothing struggling with some major own problems. It must hurt but you have lost it and will never be able to go back. You are welcome to try

Brezovica, Trepca, Gazivoda + the Serbian Orthodox Churches are worth a lot more than EU membership ever will be. Even if Serbia cannot exercise its sovereignty over all of Kosovo-Metohija at the moment, it is still worth holding onto this.
(Ari Gold, 18 August 2015 17:56)

Ari I do not understand what you mean????

#1 Brezovica is a hotel built during Yugoslavia no way it was built by Serbia but let's say it was its small peanuts with al Serbia Burned in Kosovo so = 0$ or $$$

#2 Trepca = Natural resources are importantly not the building as I have pointed to you in past all the buildings after depreciation are worthless and with all the damage =$0

#3 Gazivoda is 90% in Kosovo its natural resource.

#4 Sure Serbs from Kosovo should get or Church it self-anything it earns from Turisits or selling of Tomatos from their land.

So I am not sure what Serbia is holding too as Vucic saying this is ours does not make it so.

You Lost and you will get same amount you gave to Hungary for taking Vojvodina, was that yours before?

What's up with the history lesson people? History unfolds today, even as I write this comment. Kosovo today is autonomous because 92% of the Albanian population living there doesn't want to be a part of Serbia. They voted for their independence, and rightly so! This sentiment has not changed! Do Serbians really believe they have the right to govern Kosovo when they constitute less than 10% of the population? Does Serbia believe that Kosovo is theirs because of a constitution they wrote, or because of a battle they lost in Kosovo in 1389? There are Serbian churches and monasteries all over the world, so does that mean that these places belong to Serbia too? Serbia will recognize Kosovo, or it will never be a part of the EU. That's the only real issue facing Serbia. It's Mother Russia, or it's NATO. That's history today, so think and live in the moment! This is the real stuff of today. But whatever Serbia does decide, Kosovo is gone, at least until the next war. Serbia today is staring right into the abyss! I hope you make the right choice!

Free Republika Srpska

Yes, standards in Greece were about the same level as Albania before joining EU, but the corruption and patronage was running smoothly indeed.
(Comm. Parrisson, 18 August 2015 16:53) #

Not it wasn't, what planet are you from? Living standards in Greece far exceeded those in Albania in relation to GDP per Capita. That being said, the debt levels in Albania are much lower and reasonable especially ever since Papandreau and PASOK took over Greece in the early seventies.

Where are you getting the idea that Serbs don't know vucic signed Brussels? Why else do 63% of Serbia say Kosovo is an independent nation. Nothing is worse than people coming here- especially Albanians - and acting like Serbs don't know Kosovo is a sovereign independent nation. The Serbs acting as border guards on Kosovo border don't know what they are doing? The athletes competing against kosovo don't know? Dejan paviceic doesn't know what his position is? Serbs eliminated nationalists from parliament in 2014.

Joni

Times when Serbs and Shqiptaret lived mostly in peace were the times of the Great Horde also known as the Great Porta i.e. in 14-18 centuries. The Horde was loyal to all religions and tribes. Important was only that you obey the rules and pay the taxes. For the ruling Rurikovici Dynasty all were equal subjects. So it’s stupid to talk about Serbian or Albanian monasteries, mosques or churches as all of them belonged to the Horde. Most likely before 18 century Shqiptars were praying together with the Serbs in Orthodox Churches because Balkans were mostly out of reach of the Latins. In 17-18 centuries “turks” reconstructed many churches into mosques. But they believed it was the same religion so the Christians kept praying there. Such mosques are still oriented at the east but Mecca.

Later in early 19 century when Oldenbugs took Europe under control some other Balkan churches were turned into Catholic ones. And if some of the Sqiptars became Catholics it means only that they found themselves in the Latin zone of influence. Maybe they needed to increase your difference with the Greeks. So it was quite natural that the “turks” hated you because the Latins were mortal enemies of theirs. Quite natural was also that the Serbs were among their favorites as Serbs were part of the “turks” while before 1702 all the Sultans were buried in St. Sophia Church in accordance with the Orthodox Church headed by the Greeks. Turkish language became important only after 1928.

Azir said:

"You do understand that natural resource belongs to the indigenous natives..... "
============================
And who would that be Azir? You?
Where is your proof that you were in Kosovo before Serbs? For the 1000th time, what do you have to prove that with? Not once have any of you offered any evidence of you being in Kosovo prior to Serbs. You don't even have a cave painting anywhere.
How many years does one have to inhabit the land to be indigenous? Over a thousand? Stop dreaming of Illyria.

Joni

Half of what you say I agree even if I have other explanation for some of the things. But what I like most in your comment is that you are almost the first who puts me questions. All the rest use logics like YOU ARE CRAZY BECAUSE IT CANNOT BE SO. I am a bit tired and I mean to have some rest but I’ll respond you tonight.

P.S. In one of your comments 2 days ago you mentioned of some Mongols. Could you please give some details about them. What evidence or a proof do you have that they have ever travelled outside their traditional territories in the heart of Asia ? It may be proof of any kind – a Mongolian or any other document or a trace in the happlogroups of other peoples – just anything. But I accept only documents OBTAINED before 17 century. Not only about the Mongols but about any other issue of the ancient and medieval times. Please find a single proof of their worldwide empire and appoint the prize you would like to have for it.

Firstly, this gentleman is not representative of mainstream thinking, quite the opposite in fact. Secondly, he has a vested interest in seeking full recognition for Kosovo as this would make it difficult for member states to refuse to recognise Catalonia if that issue ever arose. As for visas, I do not whether or not this requires unanimity but if it does then clearly they will not be revoked.

Yes, standards in Greece were about the same level as Albania before joining EU, but the corruption and patronage was running smoothly indeed.
(Comm. Parrisson, 18 August 2015 16:53)
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So what level are they at now? Who has all the money and who will be bailed out if they take on more loans?

Kosovo is not a special case! Money flows everyone else walks. Free every territory in the world that wants independance. No special cases. Republika Srpska is fully independant nation asap, Greek Macedonia is to be independant, East German declare your independance, Catolina Declare, Scotland Declare, Krajina in Croatia Declare, Texas in USA Declare, Quebec Declare. What is a special case again? It is all about money, no one cares about the people brainwashing is easy today and again money talks, people walk. So Serbs and Albanians can hate each other as much as they like, no one likes either side anyway!

I don't know whether to laugh or feel pity for Serbia. You have the option of submitting to the EU or death. Your economy is pitiful and Russia can't help you, especially if you are trying to join the EU. The EU seems to be the only lifeline that will prevent you from reverting to the Stone Age. What will you do? First step is the accept that Kosovo is lost.

Well said Danny USA. BTW no one likes you either.

Just be patient because we’ll be back sooner or later.

(rote, 18 August 2015 15:51)

Where are you gonna be back? You are a joke. You keep dreaming but it will never happen. You Serbs still do not realize that Kosovo was not taken from you, It never belonged to you, You occupied it in early 1900s and you gave it away in the 90s. You will never have Kosovo again, never. Thats it

Big deal!
You know what they say about opinions and A** holes?
This guys is a nobody whose promoting a personal and illegal agenda.
No wonder the criminal albanian embrace him.

Revolution

“Serbia lost Kosovo long time ago, and there's nothing you can do about it”


There’s an optimistic Russian song for children :

На медведя я друзья выйду без испуга
Если с другом буду я а медведь без друга

http://muzofon.com/search/%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%8F%20%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9%D0%B4%D1%83%20%D1%8F

my interpretation :

Against a bear I shall go without fear my friends
If I go with a friend while the bear without


Just be patient because we’ll be back sooner or later.

Serbia is better off without the eu just look at the disaster they caused in Greece. Greece was running smoothly until they joined that disaster eu. The Serbs dont need a dictatorship from the eu. Kosovo is Serbia and NO OTHER sh*thole of a country has the right to tell them to give up their land.

John, or Borislav, whatever your name is

Serbia lost Kosovo long time ago, and there's nothing you can do about it anymore. The aggression on Kosovo albanian civilians wasn't the right choice, now you bear the consequences.

The sooner you accept the reality, the better for you and all balkans.

You know, I agree. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. The problem is, Serbia likely will not get membership even IF it recognizes its own occupation as a country and self-capitulates. Neither will the Albanians however. But self capitulating would mean giving up the billions dollars worth of property rights Serbia has in Kosovo-Metohija which Serbia indebted itself to create. Even today the property that Serbia controls is in the billions. And the EU will want Serbia to revoke its rights over that too.

Brezovica, Trepca, Gazivoda + the Serbian Orthodox Churches are worth a lot more than EU membership ever will be. Even if Serbia cannot exercise its sovereignty over all of Kosovo-Metohija at the moment, it is still worth holding onto this.

My Comments:

Kosovo is not Albanian.

Albania is Albanian.

The population in Kosovo is just a bleed over from next door.

More Serbs should be living in Kosovo, but they were quietly ethnically cleansed by Albanians.

Kosovo is misappropriated Serbian territory.

Catalonia should not leave Spain unless it wants to be a small nothing.

'Independent' Kosovo is a small nothing.

Oh dear, Serbian keyboard warriors out in full force again? Even the idiots on planet earth know that recognition of The Republic Of Kosova by Serbia will be a major condition, the EU might reword the aggrement between the 2 in a special manner, but its interpretation will clearly be one of Serbia's recognition by Serbia toward Kosovo,, and Nikolic, Vucic & co are aware of this requirement, mark these words!
The EU will simply not risk Serbia's admission within the EU until Serbia recognizes a sovereign Kosovo, they will not even contemplate another armed conflict between Kosovo & Serbia a conflict which will actually manifest into a Balkan war, in short a European war! The almost 2 million majority 97% Albanian citizens of the Repubic of Kosovo will no way in hell allow for Serbian governship or claims made upon the Republic of Kosovo, period! And every one of you out there knows this fact quite well, whether it be Albanian, Serbian, or any other nationality that exists on planet earth!

Free Republika Srpska

He believes that the EP "should act a lot faster when it comes to visa liberalization for Kosovo," and stressed the fact Kosovo is "the only country for which visas have not been canceled represents unfair treatment of citizens of Kosovo by Europe."

Why unfair? The independent corrupt mafia state of Kosovo simply doesn't fulfill the minimal conditions needed for EU visa liberalization. It would be suicide for the EU to give visa to Kosovo citizens who only want to escape the self-elected economic misery, as you can see with the absurd asylum abuse by Kosovo citizens.

UnikKatil

“Serbs still do not realize that Kosovo was not taken from you, It never belonged to you”

Maybe you can explain why Serbs fought on Kosovo field in 1389 and how the Serbian churches and monasteries were delivered there if it always belonged to the Shqiptaret ? Or you believe that Serbians built them for their neighbors ?

Azir said:

"You do understand that natural resource belongs to the indigenous natives..... "
============================
And who would that be Azir? You?
Where is your proof that you were in Kosovo before Serbs? For the 1000th time, what do you have to prove that with? Not once have any of you offered any evidence of you being in Kosovo prior to Serbs. You don't even have a cave painting anywhere.
How many years does one have to inhabit the land to be indigenous? Over a thousand? Stop dreaming of Illyria.

"Absolutely and without a doubt Serbia will be under obligation to do that before joining the EU"

Maybe best if they stop before it is too late ?

Rockhead, this is a serbian site so it is no surprise serbs come here. What is annoying is it has been infected with people like you. Go post your silliness on Albanian or Croatian sites where you can meet like minded fools and liars if serbian posters bother you on a serbian site. I mean the cheek of you, I guess Albanians now want to steal Serbian media sites as well. Anything that isn't nailed down. Plus ca change.

@Ari Gold:

You confess your infamous Serbia spent all that money on PR that " KosovA is Serbia" nonsense when in reality it was all about the natural resources " Trepca Billions".

You do understand that natural resource belongs to the indigenous natives.....

Serbia has yet to pay War Restitution/Reparations.....

Ari Gold your job is in jeopardy once Serbia recognizes Kosova. And you will finally feel stupid.....

Catalan MEP,giving his mighty opinion .Who the hell his he in world political's,and issues. If he has no issues ,why doesn't he push for the Albanians not requiring visas for Spain.They then can have a extra million Albanian's from kosovo tourist,but they will be permanent ,since he loves people from the province of Kosovo ,he can have them for ever on the beaches of Barcelona.

Some self interest there, they think it will help their cause for independence. They were also keen for Scotland to vote for independence too.

Written by a Catalan

"Just be patient because we’ll be back sooner or later."

Do you guys watch any news? You keep listening to those post milosevic politicans nationalistic speech after all this time, even though they meet and make agreements with politicans representing the REPUBLIC OF KOSOVO.

Vucic knows that Kosovo is long gone, but he still needs to keep you warm for the next elections, and you keep eating his bull**it for breakfast. So sad

He says that because if Catalunya were to become independent then they would need Spain's and other countries' recognition to get into the EU and that is not going to happen.

Yes, standards in Greece were about the same level as Albania before joining EU, but the corruption and patronage was running smoothly indeed.
(Comm. Parrisson, 18 August 2015 16:53) #

Not it wasn't, what planet are you from? Living standards in Greece far exceeded those in Albania in relation to GDP per Capita. That being said, the debt levels in Albania are much lower and reasonable especially ever since Papandreau and PASOK took over Greece in the early seventies.

"Greece was running smoothly until they joined that disaster eu."
(John, 18 August 2015 13:11)

Yes, standards in Greece were about the same level as Albania before joining EU, but the corruption and patronage was running smoothly indeed.

Yes, standards in Greece were about the same level as Albania before joining EU, but the corruption and patronage was running smoothly indeed.
(Comm. Parrisson, 18 August 2015 16:53)
============================
So what level are they at now? Who has all the money and who will be bailed out if they take on more loans?

Brezovica, Trepca, Gazivoda + the Serbian Orthodox Churches are worth a lot more than EU membership ever will be. Even if Serbia cannot exercise its sovereignty over all of Kosovo-Metohija at the moment, it is still worth holding onto this.
(Ari Gold, 18 August 2015 17:56)

Ari I do not understand what you mean????

#1 Brezovica is a hotel built during Yugoslavia no way it was built by Serbia but let's say it was its small peanuts with al Serbia Burned in Kosovo so = 0$ or $$$

#2 Trepca = Natural resources are importantly not the building as I have pointed to you in past all the buildings after depreciation are worthless and with all the damage =$0

#3 Gazivoda is 90% in Kosovo its natural resource.

#4 Sure Serbs from Kosovo should get or Church it self-anything it earns from Turisits or selling of Tomatos from their land.

So I am not sure what Serbia is holding too as Vucic saying this is ours does not make it so.

You Lost and you will get same amount you gave to Hungary for taking Vojvodina, was that yours before?

Kosovo is not a special case! Money flows everyone else walks. Free every territory in the world that wants independance. No special cases. Republika Srpska is fully independant nation asap, Greek Macedonia is to be independant, East German declare your independance, Catolina Declare, Scotland Declare, Krajina in Croatia Declare, Texas in USA Declare, Quebec Declare. What is a special case again? It is all about money, no one cares about the people brainwashing is easy today and again money talks, people walk. So Serbs and Albanians can hate each other as much as they like, no one likes either side anyway!

In his statement for the Pristina paper, Terricabras, who is Catalan, "added that the only reason Spain has not recognized Kosovo is Catalonia." He then said that "this is ridiculous, because the people of Catalonia will freely decide on their future whether Spain recognizes Kosovo or not." - Finally some clarity and truth telling from our friends in Spain. It's time to stop the wars against Kosova and Bosnia, and learn to live in peace with yr neighbors...

Where are you getting the idea that Serbs don't know vucic signed Brussels? Why else do 63% of Serbia say Kosovo is an independent nation. Nothing is worse than people coming here- especially Albanians - and acting like Serbs don't know Kosovo is a sovereign independent nation. The Serbs acting as border guards on Kosovo border don't know what they are doing? The athletes competing against kosovo don't know? Dejan paviceic doesn't know what his position is? Serbs eliminated nationalists from parliament in 2014.

Free Catalonia.

Rote

"Maybe you can explain why Serbs fought on Kosovo field in 1389 and how the Serbian churches and monasteries were delivered there if it always belonged to the Shqiptaret ? Or you believe that Serbians built them for their neighbors ?"


Its obvious to many, that Albanians and Serbs have so different views on history and I will avoid discussing about it for the moment.
Having centuries-old churches in Kosovo is the main among few arguments Serbs have always brought up. How can you compare having old buildings in a territory to having over 90% of the population being of a completely distinctive ethnic group ?? The two are not even comparable.
You wouldn't even have to answer me because I know what you will say. The Albanians did ethnic cleansing in Kosovo and expelled the Serbs who are the victims.
Well my question then would be: How could have Albanians have expelled Serbs from Kosovo when the later was ruled from Belgrade for almost all of last century ??? How can that be possible? You were running the place by all means. Only a fool would believe that. There was ethnic cleansing but in the opposite direction and that"s what made you loose Kosovo for good. You cant even imagine how colossally you failed to keep dominating Kosovo in the 90s when Albania itself was doing close to nothing struggling with some major own problems. It must hurt but you have lost it and will never be able to go back. You are welcome to try

Joni

Times when Serbs and Shqiptaret lived mostly in peace were the times of the Great Horde also known as the Great Porta i.e. in 14-18 centuries. The Horde was loyal to all religions and tribes. Important was only that you obey the rules and pay the taxes. For the ruling Rurikovici Dynasty all were equal subjects. So it’s stupid to talk about Serbian or Albanian monasteries, mosques or churches as all of them belonged to the Horde. Most likely before 18 century Shqiptars were praying together with the Serbs in Orthodox Churches because Balkans were mostly out of reach of the Latins. In 17-18 centuries “turks” reconstructed many churches into mosques. But they believed it was the same religion so the Christians kept praying there. Such mosques are still oriented at the east but Mecca.

Later in early 19 century when Oldenbugs took Europe under control some other Balkan churches were turned into Catholic ones. And if some of the Sqiptars became Catholics it means only that they found themselves in the Latin zone of influence. Maybe they needed to increase your difference with the Greeks. So it was quite natural that the “turks” hated you because the Latins were mortal enemies of theirs. Quite natural was also that the Serbs were among their favorites as Serbs were part of the “turks” while before 1702 all the Sultans were buried in St. Sophia Church in accordance with the Orthodox Church headed by the Greeks. Turkish language became important only after 1928.

What's up with the history lesson people? History unfolds today, even as I write this comment. Kosovo today is autonomous because 92% of the Albanian population living there doesn't want to be a part of Serbia. They voted for their independence, and rightly so! This sentiment has not changed! Do Serbians really believe they have the right to govern Kosovo when they constitute less than 10% of the population? Does Serbia believe that Kosovo is theirs because of a constitution they wrote, or because of a battle they lost in Kosovo in 1389? There are Serbian churches and monasteries all over the world, so does that mean that these places belong to Serbia too? Serbia will recognize Kosovo, or it will never be a part of the EU. That's the only real issue facing Serbia. It's Mother Russia, or it's NATO. That's history today, so think and live in the moment! This is the real stuff of today. But whatever Serbia does decide, Kosovo is gone, at least until the next war. Serbia today is staring right into the abyss! I hope you make the right choice!

Firstly, this gentleman is not representative of mainstream thinking, quite the opposite in fact. Secondly, he has a vested interest in seeking full recognition for Kosovo as this would make it difficult for member states to refuse to recognise Catalonia if that issue ever arose. As for visas, I do not whether or not this requires unanimity but if it does then clearly they will not be revoked.

(rote, 18 August 2015 19:18)

1. Could you tell to me how many battle Russian army did against Turks in a territory non Russian ( for exmp. Armenian, Romanian, Bulgarian etc ) in WWI? Answer to me!

2. Could you tell me how many battles Russian army, US army, British army did in WWII in a territory which was not their territory?
With your logic all those territory should be Russian just because the Russian army fought in those territory?
Really?
To many battles of Albanian army against Turks were made in today Macedonia, or even in northern Greece, for not permitted them to enter in Albanian territory.
So what??
About the orthodox monasteries - do you know that the center of Serbian religious and secular culture was in Greece, and even the first serbian university. So what Serbs should pretend even land there no???
This just show that there was a time when Serbs - Albanians and Greeks lived in peace with each other.
About the Albanian monastery - you know very well that Albanians were Catholics - and Turks destroy all the Catholics churches and monastery and they don't destroy nothing Orthodox. Few Catholics churches survived in Albania - while Orthodox churches are to hundreds.
Maybe just a check in the next years in Vatican old documents will show the real truth.Turks were more friendly to Serbs than to Albanians.Turks have done incredible massacres against Albanian population.

Well said Danny USA. BTW no one likes you either.

Joni

Half of what you say I agree even if I have other explanation for some of the things. But what I like most in your comment is that you are almost the first who puts me questions. All the rest use logics like YOU ARE CRAZY BECAUSE IT CANNOT BE SO. I am a bit tired and I mean to have some rest but I’ll respond you tonight.

P.S. In one of your comments 2 days ago you mentioned of some Mongols. Could you please give some details about them. What evidence or a proof do you have that they have ever travelled outside their traditional territories in the heart of Asia ? It may be proof of any kind – a Mongolian or any other document or a trace in the happlogroups of other peoples – just anything. But I accept only documents OBTAINED before 17 century. Not only about the Mongols but about any other issue of the ancient and medieval times. Please find a single proof of their worldwide empire and appoint the prize you would like to have for it.

I don't know whether to laugh or feel pity for Serbia. You have the option of submitting to the EU or death. Your economy is pitiful and Russia can't help you, especially if you are trying to join the EU. The EU seems to be the only lifeline that will prevent you from reverting to the Stone Age. What will you do? First step is the accept that Kosovo is lost.