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Monday, 17.08.2015.

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Belgrade: Pristina's Interpol bid "not acceptable"

Serbian Interior Minister Nebojsa Stefanovic has said that full-fledged membership of Kosovo and Metohija in Interpol is not acceptable to Serbia.

Izvor: Tanjug

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think about it

pre 8 godina

Serbia indicted Albanians when Kosovo was not independent not after. Kosovo has no jurisdiction over Serbs in Serbia and Interpol could never follow an indictment of vucic dacic or nikolic as Kosovo has no jurisdiction over Serbia citizens.
(Brian, 20 August 2015 02:15)
Serbia has no control over Croatia or Bosnia either but it did not stop them from issuing warrants for people from both states to Interpol. But of course you see that no one honors those warrants either. How many people with Interpol warrants from Serbia have been actually extradicted to Serbia. Even the warrants from when as you say before Kosovo declared independence, I remember Ceku being detained a couple of times but never extradicted but released.

So far a Serbian warrant issued by Interpol doesn't have the value of the ink it took to write it.

a New day

pre 8 godina

(factman, 19 August 2015 16:43)
Not really worth pursuing the conversation, but to say I am really confused as to you bringing the ICC into the picture as it was not even formed until 2002 long after the conclusion of any of the Yugoslavia wars.
And I say that both you and icj1 are wrong on the voice of the international community, but that is my opinion just as you both have expressed yours.

Brian

pre 8 godina

Serbia indicted Albanians when Kosovo was not independent not after. Kosovo has no jurisdiction over Serbs in Serbia and Interpol could never follow an indictment of vucic dacic or nikolic as Kosovo has no jurisdiction over Serbia citizens.

Alan

pre 8 godina

LOL. Oh Serbs, how your protests fall on deaf ears. It's actually becoming quite sad to see how powerless you've become. That Greater Serbia plan didn't work out so well did it? The EU and America have you on a leash.

You are so weak that you will never get Kosovo back - EVER, and you will probably have to make concessions in Vojvodina to keep your EU-bid alive. All you are doing is making a sad and pathetic attempt to delay the inevitable. The Rubicon has been crossed - each year that goes by it will be more difficult for you to reestablish any authority in Kosovo. In fact, it's already impossible. Yelling "Kosovo is Serbia" isn't going to do the trick either. Maybe you can sway Europe and America with you economic prowess, hahahaha.

Azir

pre 8 godina

@Ignorant Yugoslavija:

You allege " Albania committed Genocide" on Serb criminals.

This is nonsense and totally false.

Albania was under 46 years of dictatorship from Enver Hoxha.

This Albania you allege is the most isolated nation on the planet.

No one could enter or exit but your propaganda myth remains Kosovars are really from Albania proper.

Tanjug "education" gets you this .

j

pre 8 godina

Think again, maybe you should look at facts and figures, the Banovina's and Oblasts of Yugoslavia had a Slavic population of over 50%. The Serbian population in Kosovo and Metohojia is less than 3%, a combination of Tito's policy to appease Albania forcing the Serbs to leave by force and economic means. It is exactly the opposite, Albania has committed Genocide to the Serbian population and will continue to do so in FYROM and southern Serbia as well.
(Jugoslavija, 19 August 2015 21:43)

Only in the Serbian unicorn makebelieve world can one be a winner and a victim of genocide at the same time. In the other thread you were stating how we didn't win anything, how we Albanians have lost every confrontation with the Serbs. In this thread you claim Albanians have caused genocide on Serbs, even though we've lost each and every time. That is not how it works in the real world. Especially since Serbia had tanks and warplanes, and we had rusted AK47 and shovels. If you want to make up a lie, at least make a good one and stick to it. Flip flopping like this exposes your half-a$$ed lie. Remember, like one of your Presidents said: "Serbs lie to be patriotic". You are not fulfilling your patriotic duties with these half-a$$ed lies. Try a better lie next time to be a better Serb patriot.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

You have carried out a good propaganda campaign trying to convince the world that others were more guilty than Serbs in the Yugo wars, but the facts and figures(legitimate ones) just do not support it.
(think again, 19 August 2015 02:15)

Think again, maybe you should look at facts and figures, the Banovina's and Oblasts of Yugoslavia had a Slavic population of over 50%. The Serbian population in Kosovo and Metohojia is less than 3%, a combination of Tito's policy to appease Albania forcing the Serbs to leave by force and economic means. It is exactly the opposite, Albania has committed Genocide to the Serbian population and will continue to do so in FYROM and southern Serbia as well.

factman

pre 8 godina

A New Day:

I am responding to the tendency of icj1 to say: "the international community has spoken"

This is an incorrect statement.

The international community speaks through the UNSC. See here:

http://www.un.org/en/sc/about/

All members of the United Nations agree to accept and carry out the decisions of the Security Council. While other organs of the United Nations make recommendations to member states, only the Security Council has the power to make decisions that member states are then obligated to implement under the Charter.


Additionally, I mis-wrote ICTY in a separate post below, when in fact I should have wrote ICC

a New day

pre 8 godina

icj1 likes to associate the words "international community" with ICTY

The facts are as follows:

1. The majority of the world's population has not ratified ICTY

2. In fact, at the time of the Yugoslav Civil wars, less than 40% of all world countries ratified ICTY

3. ICTY is not the UN but a separate organization

4. The only mouthpiece for the UN is the UN Security Council
(factman, 19 August 2015 06:03)
Where do you come up with these "facts".
The ICTY was created with the enactment of Resolution 827 of the UNSC. It received 15 affirmative votes (a unanimous decision) there were no dissentions or abstinations. The ICTY did not need or is there such a thing as ratifications by anyone other than the Security Council.
There are two parts to the UN the Security Council and the General Assembly and they each have their voice.
True the ICTY is not the UN, it was created by the UNSC and works independently without political pressure from the UNSC. Similar to the Supreme Court of the US, it acts independently and its rulings can not be altered by Congress nor the President. However I do not think you can say the same about the Serbian justice system.

factman

pre 8 godina

To counter icj1's nonsense, here is what the UN charter says (and not some silly press release that he links to).


NATO violated the UN Charter by attacking a fellow UN member state in the absence of an attack or a threat of imminent attack on them and in the absence of UN Security Council authorization.

The prohibition against the use of force can be found in article 2 with two specific exceptions

The first exception is in Chapter VII article 42, where the Security Council has been given power in order to fulfill its responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security. Such action may include operations by air, sea, or land forces.

The second specific exception is found in article 51, regarding the right to self-defence. The article states that nothing in the present charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security.

--- NATO did not have the backing of the United Nations Security Council to use force in Yugoslavia, nor can it claim an armed attack occurred against another state ----

The UN charter speaks for the UN, not some silly press release. Nor can one say that the "international community" has spoken. That is bullshit by icj1

factman

pre 8 godina

icj1 likes to associate the words "international community" with ICTY

The facts are as follows:

1. The majority of the world's population has not ratified ICTY

2. In fact, at the time of the Yugoslav Civil wars, less than 40% of all world countries ratified ICTY

3. ICTY is not the UN but a separate organization

4. The only mouthpiece for the UN is the UN Security Council

think again

pre 8 godina

Its also very common for the KLA to claim to be heroes when in actuality they were cowards after the Serbian army pulled back under UN resolution 1244 and ethnically cleansing Serbs, Gypsies and some Albanian civilians under the noses of KFOR and NATO.
(Jugoslavija, 18 August 2015 21:58)
The Serbs that fled as the Serb military and paramilitary and police crawled back over the border to Serbia, did so out of a perceived fear of retaliation from the returning Albanians who arrived and found their houses burned and everything of value they owned stolen by their Serb neighbors.
You have the nerve to call anyone cowards, after you with the force of Serbia behind you went from house to house and beat, tortured, murdered and gangraped any innocent little girls in the house, for no other reason than they were not Serbian. I do not understand how you can sleep at night and then go to church on Sundays pretending to have religion.
The real reason Serbs are afraid of Kosovo recognition is that you know that your soapbox for crying to the world "we are the victims' will disappear. You have carried out a good propaganda campaign trying to convince the world that others were more guilty than Serbs in the Yugo wars, but the facts and figures(legitimate ones) just do not support it.

Azir

pre 8 godina

@yugoslavija:
NATO stopped Genocide in Kosova by bombing some sense into Serbs thick skulls.
UCK and our allies showed you the door.........

The Chinese Embassy wasn't " blown up" .
It was accidently hit and all the victim's families were compensated millions of dollars.
China got over it ......how's about you?

Close to 2 million Kosovars welcomed NATO so your nonsense of NATO intentionaly targeting and killing civilians is futile.

USA is the world's only Super Power and with that comes its privileges.

When Serbia reaches same position as US it can then do the same.....but we all know Serbia according to International Studies will disappear from Europe and we then all can enjoy peace and stability.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

RE: Selective Justice to bypass the Geneva Convention

The United States, however, had a different reason for the ICJ not having jurisdiction against it: the US exempted itself from Article IX of the Geneva Convention. So even if the court had found that NATO had violated Article IX, the United States would not be punished. The US has shown itself to be arrogant enough to consider itself above the law, and to still use that law to prosecute other nations. In 1993, the United Nations established a special criminal court on Yugoslavia, called the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY). ICTY is located in the Hague, the same location as the ICJ. The US and other nations have indicted President Slobodan Milosevic of Yugoslavia for war crimes. The US has the nerve to exempt itself from parts of the Geneva Convention, and yet here it is punishing other countries for violations of the Geneva Convention!

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

It is also very common for Serbs to blame a lot of destruction they did on NATO.
(think again, 18 August 2015 03:41)

Its also very common for the KLA to claim to be heroes when in actuality they were cowards after the Serbian army pulled back under UN resolution 1244 and ethnically cleansing Serbs, Gypsies and some Albanian civilians under the noses of KFOR and NATO.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Although some mistakes were made by NATO [...] there was no deliberate targeting of civilians or unlawful military targets by NATO during the campaign"
(icj1, 18 August 2015 02:30) #

Do you really think NATO is going to prosecute themselves? The ICTY and Tribunal is a kangaroo court controlled by NATO and it's proxies.

Crimes are crimes, why do you think the US is not signatory to the ICJ which is the closest to an true international court although also controlled by the largest countries in the world. The Geneva convention should not be thrown out because US and NATO decide to blow up the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade and call it an "accident".

j

pre 8 godina

Looks like the Serb politicians are afraid they may end up on Interpol's wanted list once Kosova becomes a member. Next time it will be Vucic, Nikolic, and Dacic stopped in Slovenia. What's good for the goose...

think again

pre 8 godina

(Jugloslavija, 17 August 2015 23:22) Nice article, don't know where it came from but the facts are that there were no, nada, zip UNESCO world Heritage designated sites in Kosovo before 2004, Serbia joined UNESCO in 2000 and submitted the 4 sites in Kosovo as World Heritage sites in 2004 after the March 2004 riots.
I never said no religious nor historical sites were destroyed, only that there were No designated World Heritage sites destroyed, all 4 are still standing and in use.

But be careful, your Serbian brothers are not going to like you very well if you claim there were mosques in Kosovo on the UNESCO list.

It is also very common for Serbs to blame a lot of destruction they did on NATO.

roberto

pre 8 godina

Usual chetnik fascist BS. Serbia shows itself daily as a primitive country with sick and backwards "leaders." It should and does embarrass normal and decent ppl...

icj1

pre 8 godina

[link]
(Jugloslavija, 17 August 2015 23:22)

Well, the UN and the international community disagree with the site above. Note: just because a link in internet says something, does not make it an authoritative source - you may be able to find links in internet supporting almost anything, or, if they don't exist, just create one :)

From your link above:

"The evidence is concrete and unmistakable. NATO has violated international laws, including Article 3(d) of the ICT Statute and the Geneva Convention of 1949, through this campaign of destruction. NATO targeted these sites to demoralize the population by bombing what is so precious to their identity. NATO and its political and military leaders and its responsible personnel are therefore charged with Crimes against Humanity, which cannot be dismissed as "collateral damage" and must not go unpunished. NATO has destroyed the irreplaceable: the history, culture and honor of the Yugoslavian people. This evidence reveals NATO’s blatant destruction of the history of an entire culture and spiritual heritage, in a systematic attempt to eradicate it."

Whereas the UN and the international community say http://www.icty.org/sid/7846:

"Although some mistakes were made by NATO [...] there was no deliberate targeting of civilians or unlawful military targets by NATO during the campaign"

Azir

pre 8 godina

@Ari Gold:
As usual you are the wrong .....the biggest criminals in Europe are the Serbs.

The Hague has so many convicted Serbs locked up for life that committed

Genocide

War Crimes and

Crimes against Humanity.

Serbia can even declare a Municipality of Serb Communities in the Hague .....

The International Court also ruled Serbia Regime was Operating a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE.

Serbia violated International Law by Illegaly deporting over one Million former Yugoslav Citizens in Kosova.

Remember that same Yugoslavia Serbia was allegedly "defending"?

Ask all, your victims in four states who the REAL Criminals are and they will educate you.

Brian

pre 8 godina

Merkel just stated Kosovo in unesco is a vital part of kosovos eu path and Serbia can't oppose it. That's makes it in line with the Brussels agreement where Serbia signed it would never do anything to block or encourage others to block kosovos eu path. Same thing likely with Kosovo in Interpol. Serbia signing Brussels is responsible and Serbia can't oppose Kosovo in unesco or Interpol.

eric

pre 8 godina

a fight that you going to lose...its been 7 years and more actually since 1999 that serbia lost kosovo, serbs think they can commit ethnic cleansing and get it back..fairy tails ..your a dead powerless country if you haven't realize yet lol

Jugloslavija

pre 8 godina

"Try to think again"

Considering the fact that NO UNESCO sites have been destroyed, another Serbian rumor or can you name one in Kosovo that has been destroyed??
(think again, 17 August 2015 19:25)

You friendly neighbour NATO and KLA destroyed and or damages many UNESCO sites including the Hadum Mosque and the St. Trinity Monastery burned down by the KLA, read if you can.

http://www.iacenter.org/warcrime/9_cultur.htm

EA

pre 8 godina

The MUP said in a statement that Kosovo and Metohija, as an integral part of Serbia, cannot be represented in Interpol autonomously.

That is a political statement or in other words demagogy.

Referring to Kosovo, the minister added that this is about a territory "from which came certain terrorist attacks" and from which "tens of thousands of Serbs" have been expelled.

What is Serbia doing about "its territory"?

Or it is not its territory....)))

think again

pre 8 godina

What's more tragicomedy? The biggest criminals in Europe joining Interpol or the destroyers of world heritage joining UNESCO?
(Ari Gold, 17 August 2015 16:17)
Considering the fact that NO UNESCO sites have been destroyed, another Serbian rumor or can you name one in Kosovo that has been destroyed?? And then the fact that Interpol has either dismissed every international warrant Serbia submits OR the countries of Interpol when they do detain someone on a Serbian warrant, will release the person and there is NO consideration of transferring that detainee to the hands of Serbia, I guess you need to find your humor else where.
Serbia should withdraw from both in protest, because at least Interpol does not take you seriously.

Reader

pre 8 godina

Serbia is interested in keeping Kosovo outside of Interpol, so that international criminals that hide in Kosovo, or native criminals that escape from Kosovo are unreachable by international arrest warrants. Serbia is interested in raising the level of criminality in Kosovo, so that it can try to justify people like Ari Gold and Nikolic to say the things they say. Talk about reconciliation and peace is just BS in the the mouths of Serb politicians.

justhetruth

pre 8 godina

Well Serbia where the hack you are finding this guy's first Dacic now this guy i that only Kosovo has dummies in the government but you guys for now you are passing them...an please go ahead and spend some more serbian taxpayer money over and over for no reason..because in the end you and no one will stop that from not happening as you and others never did...

think again

pre 8 godina

What's more tragicomedy? The biggest criminals in Europe joining Interpol or the destroyers of world heritage joining UNESCO?
(Ari Gold, 17 August 2015 16:17)
Considering the fact that NO UNESCO sites have been destroyed, another Serbian rumor or can you name one in Kosovo that has been destroyed?? And then the fact that Interpol has either dismissed every international warrant Serbia submits OR the countries of Interpol when they do detain someone on a Serbian warrant, will release the person and there is NO consideration of transferring that detainee to the hands of Serbia, I guess you need to find your humor else where.
Serbia should withdraw from both in protest, because at least Interpol does not take you seriously.

EA

pre 8 godina

The MUP said in a statement that Kosovo and Metohija, as an integral part of Serbia, cannot be represented in Interpol autonomously.

That is a political statement or in other words demagogy.

Referring to Kosovo, the minister added that this is about a territory "from which came certain terrorist attacks" and from which "tens of thousands of Serbs" have been expelled.

What is Serbia doing about "its territory"?

Or it is not its territory....)))

Azir

pre 8 godina

@Ari Gold:
As usual you are the wrong .....the biggest criminals in Europe are the Serbs.

The Hague has so many convicted Serbs locked up for life that committed

Genocide

War Crimes and

Crimes against Humanity.

Serbia can even declare a Municipality of Serb Communities in the Hague .....

The International Court also ruled Serbia Regime was Operating a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE.

Serbia violated International Law by Illegaly deporting over one Million former Yugoslav Citizens in Kosova.

Remember that same Yugoslavia Serbia was allegedly "defending"?

Ask all, your victims in four states who the REAL Criminals are and they will educate you.

roberto

pre 8 godina

Usual chetnik fascist BS. Serbia shows itself daily as a primitive country with sick and backwards "leaders." It should and does embarrass normal and decent ppl...

Reader

pre 8 godina

Serbia is interested in keeping Kosovo outside of Interpol, so that international criminals that hide in Kosovo, or native criminals that escape from Kosovo are unreachable by international arrest warrants. Serbia is interested in raising the level of criminality in Kosovo, so that it can try to justify people like Ari Gold and Nikolic to say the things they say. Talk about reconciliation and peace is just BS in the the mouths of Serb politicians.

justhetruth

pre 8 godina

Well Serbia where the hack you are finding this guy's first Dacic now this guy i that only Kosovo has dummies in the government but you guys for now you are passing them...an please go ahead and spend some more serbian taxpayer money over and over for no reason..because in the end you and no one will stop that from not happening as you and others never did...

eric

pre 8 godina

a fight that you going to lose...its been 7 years and more actually since 1999 that serbia lost kosovo, serbs think they can commit ethnic cleansing and get it back..fairy tails ..your a dead powerless country if you haven't realize yet lol

Brian

pre 8 godina

Merkel just stated Kosovo in unesco is a vital part of kosovos eu path and Serbia can't oppose it. That's makes it in line with the Brussels agreement where Serbia signed it would never do anything to block or encourage others to block kosovos eu path. Same thing likely with Kosovo in Interpol. Serbia signing Brussels is responsible and Serbia can't oppose Kosovo in unesco or Interpol.

icj1

pre 8 godina

[link]
(Jugloslavija, 17 August 2015 23:22)

Well, the UN and the international community disagree with the site above. Note: just because a link in internet says something, does not make it an authoritative source - you may be able to find links in internet supporting almost anything, or, if they don't exist, just create one :)

From your link above:

"The evidence is concrete and unmistakable. NATO has violated international laws, including Article 3(d) of the ICT Statute and the Geneva Convention of 1949, through this campaign of destruction. NATO targeted these sites to demoralize the population by bombing what is so precious to their identity. NATO and its political and military leaders and its responsible personnel are therefore charged with Crimes against Humanity, which cannot be dismissed as "collateral damage" and must not go unpunished. NATO has destroyed the irreplaceable: the history, culture and honor of the Yugoslavian people. This evidence reveals NATO’s blatant destruction of the history of an entire culture and spiritual heritage, in a systematic attempt to eradicate it."

Whereas the UN and the international community say http://www.icty.org/sid/7846:

"Although some mistakes were made by NATO [...] there was no deliberate targeting of civilians or unlawful military targets by NATO during the campaign"

j

pre 8 godina

Looks like the Serb politicians are afraid they may end up on Interpol's wanted list once Kosova becomes a member. Next time it will be Vucic, Nikolic, and Dacic stopped in Slovenia. What's good for the goose...

think again

pre 8 godina

(Jugloslavija, 17 August 2015 23:22) Nice article, don't know where it came from but the facts are that there were no, nada, zip UNESCO world Heritage designated sites in Kosovo before 2004, Serbia joined UNESCO in 2000 and submitted the 4 sites in Kosovo as World Heritage sites in 2004 after the March 2004 riots.
I never said no religious nor historical sites were destroyed, only that there were No designated World Heritage sites destroyed, all 4 are still standing and in use.

But be careful, your Serbian brothers are not going to like you very well if you claim there were mosques in Kosovo on the UNESCO list.

It is also very common for Serbs to blame a lot of destruction they did on NATO.

Jugloslavija

pre 8 godina

"Try to think again"

Considering the fact that NO UNESCO sites have been destroyed, another Serbian rumor or can you name one in Kosovo that has been destroyed??
(think again, 17 August 2015 19:25)

You friendly neighbour NATO and KLA destroyed and or damages many UNESCO sites including the Hadum Mosque and the St. Trinity Monastery burned down by the KLA, read if you can.

http://www.iacenter.org/warcrime/9_cultur.htm

j

pre 8 godina

Think again, maybe you should look at facts and figures, the Banovina's and Oblasts of Yugoslavia had a Slavic population of over 50%. The Serbian population in Kosovo and Metohojia is less than 3%, a combination of Tito's policy to appease Albania forcing the Serbs to leave by force and economic means. It is exactly the opposite, Albania has committed Genocide to the Serbian population and will continue to do so in FYROM and southern Serbia as well.
(Jugoslavija, 19 August 2015 21:43)

Only in the Serbian unicorn makebelieve world can one be a winner and a victim of genocide at the same time. In the other thread you were stating how we didn't win anything, how we Albanians have lost every confrontation with the Serbs. In this thread you claim Albanians have caused genocide on Serbs, even though we've lost each and every time. That is not how it works in the real world. Especially since Serbia had tanks and warplanes, and we had rusted AK47 and shovels. If you want to make up a lie, at least make a good one and stick to it. Flip flopping like this exposes your half-a$$ed lie. Remember, like one of your Presidents said: "Serbs lie to be patriotic". You are not fulfilling your patriotic duties with these half-a$$ed lies. Try a better lie next time to be a better Serb patriot.

Azir

pre 8 godina

@Ignorant Yugoslavija:

You allege " Albania committed Genocide" on Serb criminals.

This is nonsense and totally false.

Albania was under 46 years of dictatorship from Enver Hoxha.

This Albania you allege is the most isolated nation on the planet.

No one could enter or exit but your propaganda myth remains Kosovars are really from Albania proper.

Tanjug "education" gets you this .

Alan

pre 8 godina

LOL. Oh Serbs, how your protests fall on deaf ears. It's actually becoming quite sad to see how powerless you've become. That Greater Serbia plan didn't work out so well did it? The EU and America have you on a leash.

You are so weak that you will never get Kosovo back - EVER, and you will probably have to make concessions in Vojvodina to keep your EU-bid alive. All you are doing is making a sad and pathetic attempt to delay the inevitable. The Rubicon has been crossed - each year that goes by it will be more difficult for you to reestablish any authority in Kosovo. In fact, it's already impossible. Yelling "Kosovo is Serbia" isn't going to do the trick either. Maybe you can sway Europe and America with you economic prowess, hahahaha.

think again

pre 8 godina

Its also very common for the KLA to claim to be heroes when in actuality they were cowards after the Serbian army pulled back under UN resolution 1244 and ethnically cleansing Serbs, Gypsies and some Albanian civilians under the noses of KFOR and NATO.
(Jugoslavija, 18 August 2015 21:58)
The Serbs that fled as the Serb military and paramilitary and police crawled back over the border to Serbia, did so out of a perceived fear of retaliation from the returning Albanians who arrived and found their houses burned and everything of value they owned stolen by their Serb neighbors.
You have the nerve to call anyone cowards, after you with the force of Serbia behind you went from house to house and beat, tortured, murdered and gangraped any innocent little girls in the house, for no other reason than they were not Serbian. I do not understand how you can sleep at night and then go to church on Sundays pretending to have religion.
The real reason Serbs are afraid of Kosovo recognition is that you know that your soapbox for crying to the world "we are the victims' will disappear. You have carried out a good propaganda campaign trying to convince the world that others were more guilty than Serbs in the Yugo wars, but the facts and figures(legitimate ones) just do not support it.

Brian

pre 8 godina

Serbia indicted Albanians when Kosovo was not independent not after. Kosovo has no jurisdiction over Serbs in Serbia and Interpol could never follow an indictment of vucic dacic or nikolic as Kosovo has no jurisdiction over Serbia citizens.

a New day

pre 8 godina

icj1 likes to associate the words "international community" with ICTY

The facts are as follows:

1. The majority of the world's population has not ratified ICTY

2. In fact, at the time of the Yugoslav Civil wars, less than 40% of all world countries ratified ICTY

3. ICTY is not the UN but a separate organization

4. The only mouthpiece for the UN is the UN Security Council
(factman, 19 August 2015 06:03)
Where do you come up with these "facts".
The ICTY was created with the enactment of Resolution 827 of the UNSC. It received 15 affirmative votes (a unanimous decision) there were no dissentions or abstinations. The ICTY did not need or is there such a thing as ratifications by anyone other than the Security Council.
There are two parts to the UN the Security Council and the General Assembly and they each have their voice.
True the ICTY is not the UN, it was created by the UNSC and works independently without political pressure from the UNSC. Similar to the Supreme Court of the US, it acts independently and its rulings can not be altered by Congress nor the President. However I do not think you can say the same about the Serbian justice system.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Although some mistakes were made by NATO [...] there was no deliberate targeting of civilians or unlawful military targets by NATO during the campaign"
(icj1, 18 August 2015 02:30) #

Do you really think NATO is going to prosecute themselves? The ICTY and Tribunal is a kangaroo court controlled by NATO and it's proxies.

Crimes are crimes, why do you think the US is not signatory to the ICJ which is the closest to an true international court although also controlled by the largest countries in the world. The Geneva convention should not be thrown out because US and NATO decide to blow up the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade and call it an "accident".

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

It is also very common for Serbs to blame a lot of destruction they did on NATO.
(think again, 18 August 2015 03:41)

Its also very common for the KLA to claim to be heroes when in actuality they were cowards after the Serbian army pulled back under UN resolution 1244 and ethnically cleansing Serbs, Gypsies and some Albanian civilians under the noses of KFOR and NATO.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

RE: Selective Justice to bypass the Geneva Convention

The United States, however, had a different reason for the ICJ not having jurisdiction against it: the US exempted itself from Article IX of the Geneva Convention. So even if the court had found that NATO had violated Article IX, the United States would not be punished. The US has shown itself to be arrogant enough to consider itself above the law, and to still use that law to prosecute other nations. In 1993, the United Nations established a special criminal court on Yugoslavia, called the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY). ICTY is located in the Hague, the same location as the ICJ. The US and other nations have indicted President Slobodan Milosevic of Yugoslavia for war crimes. The US has the nerve to exempt itself from parts of the Geneva Convention, and yet here it is punishing other countries for violations of the Geneva Convention!

Azir

pre 8 godina

@yugoslavija:
NATO stopped Genocide in Kosova by bombing some sense into Serbs thick skulls.
UCK and our allies showed you the door.........

The Chinese Embassy wasn't " blown up" .
It was accidently hit and all the victim's families were compensated millions of dollars.
China got over it ......how's about you?

Close to 2 million Kosovars welcomed NATO so your nonsense of NATO intentionaly targeting and killing civilians is futile.

USA is the world's only Super Power and with that comes its privileges.

When Serbia reaches same position as US it can then do the same.....but we all know Serbia according to International Studies will disappear from Europe and we then all can enjoy peace and stability.

think about it

pre 8 godina

Serbia indicted Albanians when Kosovo was not independent not after. Kosovo has no jurisdiction over Serbs in Serbia and Interpol could never follow an indictment of vucic dacic or nikolic as Kosovo has no jurisdiction over Serbia citizens.
(Brian, 20 August 2015 02:15)
Serbia has no control over Croatia or Bosnia either but it did not stop them from issuing warrants for people from both states to Interpol. But of course you see that no one honors those warrants either. How many people with Interpol warrants from Serbia have been actually extradicted to Serbia. Even the warrants from when as you say before Kosovo declared independence, I remember Ceku being detained a couple of times but never extradicted but released.

So far a Serbian warrant issued by Interpol doesn't have the value of the ink it took to write it.

factman

pre 8 godina

icj1 likes to associate the words "international community" with ICTY

The facts are as follows:

1. The majority of the world's population has not ratified ICTY

2. In fact, at the time of the Yugoslav Civil wars, less than 40% of all world countries ratified ICTY

3. ICTY is not the UN but a separate organization

4. The only mouthpiece for the UN is the UN Security Council

factman

pre 8 godina

To counter icj1's nonsense, here is what the UN charter says (and not some silly press release that he links to).


NATO violated the UN Charter by attacking a fellow UN member state in the absence of an attack or a threat of imminent attack on them and in the absence of UN Security Council authorization.

The prohibition against the use of force can be found in article 2 with two specific exceptions

The first exception is in Chapter VII article 42, where the Security Council has been given power in order to fulfill its responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security. Such action may include operations by air, sea, or land forces.

The second specific exception is found in article 51, regarding the right to self-defence. The article states that nothing in the present charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security.

--- NATO did not have the backing of the United Nations Security Council to use force in Yugoslavia, nor can it claim an armed attack occurred against another state ----

The UN charter speaks for the UN, not some silly press release. Nor can one say that the "international community" has spoken. That is bullshit by icj1

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

You have carried out a good propaganda campaign trying to convince the world that others were more guilty than Serbs in the Yugo wars, but the facts and figures(legitimate ones) just do not support it.
(think again, 19 August 2015 02:15)

Think again, maybe you should look at facts and figures, the Banovina's and Oblasts of Yugoslavia had a Slavic population of over 50%. The Serbian population in Kosovo and Metohojia is less than 3%, a combination of Tito's policy to appease Albania forcing the Serbs to leave by force and economic means. It is exactly the opposite, Albania has committed Genocide to the Serbian population and will continue to do so in FYROM and southern Serbia as well.

a New day

pre 8 godina

(factman, 19 August 2015 16:43)
Not really worth pursuing the conversation, but to say I am really confused as to you bringing the ICC into the picture as it was not even formed until 2002 long after the conclusion of any of the Yugoslavia wars.
And I say that both you and icj1 are wrong on the voice of the international community, but that is my opinion just as you both have expressed yours.

factman

pre 8 godina

A New Day:

I am responding to the tendency of icj1 to say: "the international community has spoken"

This is an incorrect statement.

The international community speaks through the UNSC. See here:

http://www.un.org/en/sc/about/

All members of the United Nations agree to accept and carry out the decisions of the Security Council. While other organs of the United Nations make recommendations to member states, only the Security Council has the power to make decisions that member states are then obligated to implement under the Charter.


Additionally, I mis-wrote ICTY in a separate post below, when in fact I should have wrote ICC

Jugloslavija

pre 8 godina

"Try to think again"

Considering the fact that NO UNESCO sites have been destroyed, another Serbian rumor or can you name one in Kosovo that has been destroyed??
(think again, 17 August 2015 19:25)

You friendly neighbour NATO and KLA destroyed and or damages many UNESCO sites including the Hadum Mosque and the St. Trinity Monastery burned down by the KLA, read if you can.

http://www.iacenter.org/warcrime/9_cultur.htm

EA

pre 8 godina

The MUP said in a statement that Kosovo and Metohija, as an integral part of Serbia, cannot be represented in Interpol autonomously.

That is a political statement or in other words demagogy.

Referring to Kosovo, the minister added that this is about a territory "from which came certain terrorist attacks" and from which "tens of thousands of Serbs" have been expelled.

What is Serbia doing about "its territory"?

Or it is not its territory....)))

justhetruth

pre 8 godina

Well Serbia where the hack you are finding this guy's first Dacic now this guy i that only Kosovo has dummies in the government but you guys for now you are passing them...an please go ahead and spend some more serbian taxpayer money over and over for no reason..because in the end you and no one will stop that from not happening as you and others never did...

Reader

pre 8 godina

Serbia is interested in keeping Kosovo outside of Interpol, so that international criminals that hide in Kosovo, or native criminals that escape from Kosovo are unreachable by international arrest warrants. Serbia is interested in raising the level of criminality in Kosovo, so that it can try to justify people like Ari Gold and Nikolic to say the things they say. Talk about reconciliation and peace is just BS in the the mouths of Serb politicians.

think again

pre 8 godina

What's more tragicomedy? The biggest criminals in Europe joining Interpol or the destroyers of world heritage joining UNESCO?
(Ari Gold, 17 August 2015 16:17)
Considering the fact that NO UNESCO sites have been destroyed, another Serbian rumor or can you name one in Kosovo that has been destroyed?? And then the fact that Interpol has either dismissed every international warrant Serbia submits OR the countries of Interpol when they do detain someone on a Serbian warrant, will release the person and there is NO consideration of transferring that detainee to the hands of Serbia, I guess you need to find your humor else where.
Serbia should withdraw from both in protest, because at least Interpol does not take you seriously.

factman

pre 8 godina

To counter icj1's nonsense, here is what the UN charter says (and not some silly press release that he links to).


NATO violated the UN Charter by attacking a fellow UN member state in the absence of an attack or a threat of imminent attack on them and in the absence of UN Security Council authorization.

The prohibition against the use of force can be found in article 2 with two specific exceptions

The first exception is in Chapter VII article 42, where the Security Council has been given power in order to fulfill its responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security. Such action may include operations by air, sea, or land forces.

The second specific exception is found in article 51, regarding the right to self-defence. The article states that nothing in the present charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security.

--- NATO did not have the backing of the United Nations Security Council to use force in Yugoslavia, nor can it claim an armed attack occurred against another state ----

The UN charter speaks for the UN, not some silly press release. Nor can one say that the "international community" has spoken. That is bullshit by icj1

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

It is also very common for Serbs to blame a lot of destruction they did on NATO.
(think again, 18 August 2015 03:41)

Its also very common for the KLA to claim to be heroes when in actuality they were cowards after the Serbian army pulled back under UN resolution 1244 and ethnically cleansing Serbs, Gypsies and some Albanian civilians under the noses of KFOR and NATO.

factman

pre 8 godina

icj1 likes to associate the words "international community" with ICTY

The facts are as follows:

1. The majority of the world's population has not ratified ICTY

2. In fact, at the time of the Yugoslav Civil wars, less than 40% of all world countries ratified ICTY

3. ICTY is not the UN but a separate organization

4. The only mouthpiece for the UN is the UN Security Council

factman

pre 8 godina

A New Day:

I am responding to the tendency of icj1 to say: "the international community has spoken"

This is an incorrect statement.

The international community speaks through the UNSC. See here:

http://www.un.org/en/sc/about/

All members of the United Nations agree to accept and carry out the decisions of the Security Council. While other organs of the United Nations make recommendations to member states, only the Security Council has the power to make decisions that member states are then obligated to implement under the Charter.


Additionally, I mis-wrote ICTY in a separate post below, when in fact I should have wrote ICC

Azir

pre 8 godina

@Ari Gold:
As usual you are the wrong .....the biggest criminals in Europe are the Serbs.

The Hague has so many convicted Serbs locked up for life that committed

Genocide

War Crimes and

Crimes against Humanity.

Serbia can even declare a Municipality of Serb Communities in the Hague .....

The International Court also ruled Serbia Regime was Operating a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE.

Serbia violated International Law by Illegaly deporting over one Million former Yugoslav Citizens in Kosova.

Remember that same Yugoslavia Serbia was allegedly "defending"?

Ask all, your victims in four states who the REAL Criminals are and they will educate you.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Although some mistakes were made by NATO [...] there was no deliberate targeting of civilians or unlawful military targets by NATO during the campaign"
(icj1, 18 August 2015 02:30) #

Do you really think NATO is going to prosecute themselves? The ICTY and Tribunal is a kangaroo court controlled by NATO and it's proxies.

Crimes are crimes, why do you think the US is not signatory to the ICJ which is the closest to an true international court although also controlled by the largest countries in the world. The Geneva convention should not be thrown out because US and NATO decide to blow up the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade and call it an "accident".

eric

pre 8 godina

a fight that you going to lose...its been 7 years and more actually since 1999 that serbia lost kosovo, serbs think they can commit ethnic cleansing and get it back..fairy tails ..your a dead powerless country if you haven't realize yet lol

roberto

pre 8 godina

Usual chetnik fascist BS. Serbia shows itself daily as a primitive country with sick and backwards "leaders." It should and does embarrass normal and decent ppl...

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

You have carried out a good propaganda campaign trying to convince the world that others were more guilty than Serbs in the Yugo wars, but the facts and figures(legitimate ones) just do not support it.
(think again, 19 August 2015 02:15)

Think again, maybe you should look at facts and figures, the Banovina's and Oblasts of Yugoslavia had a Slavic population of over 50%. The Serbian population in Kosovo and Metohojia is less than 3%, a combination of Tito's policy to appease Albania forcing the Serbs to leave by force and economic means. It is exactly the opposite, Albania has committed Genocide to the Serbian population and will continue to do so in FYROM and southern Serbia as well.

Brian

pre 8 godina

Merkel just stated Kosovo in unesco is a vital part of kosovos eu path and Serbia can't oppose it. That's makes it in line with the Brussels agreement where Serbia signed it would never do anything to block or encourage others to block kosovos eu path. Same thing likely with Kosovo in Interpol. Serbia signing Brussels is responsible and Serbia can't oppose Kosovo in unesco or Interpol.

think again

pre 8 godina

(Jugloslavija, 17 August 2015 23:22) Nice article, don't know where it came from but the facts are that there were no, nada, zip UNESCO world Heritage designated sites in Kosovo before 2004, Serbia joined UNESCO in 2000 and submitted the 4 sites in Kosovo as World Heritage sites in 2004 after the March 2004 riots.
I never said no religious nor historical sites were destroyed, only that there were No designated World Heritage sites destroyed, all 4 are still standing and in use.

But be careful, your Serbian brothers are not going to like you very well if you claim there were mosques in Kosovo on the UNESCO list.

It is also very common for Serbs to blame a lot of destruction they did on NATO.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

RE: Selective Justice to bypass the Geneva Convention

The United States, however, had a different reason for the ICJ not having jurisdiction against it: the US exempted itself from Article IX of the Geneva Convention. So even if the court had found that NATO had violated Article IX, the United States would not be punished. The US has shown itself to be arrogant enough to consider itself above the law, and to still use that law to prosecute other nations. In 1993, the United Nations established a special criminal court on Yugoslavia, called the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY). ICTY is located in the Hague, the same location as the ICJ. The US and other nations have indicted President Slobodan Milosevic of Yugoslavia for war crimes. The US has the nerve to exempt itself from parts of the Geneva Convention, and yet here it is punishing other countries for violations of the Geneva Convention!

icj1

pre 8 godina

[link]
(Jugloslavija, 17 August 2015 23:22)

Well, the UN and the international community disagree with the site above. Note: just because a link in internet says something, does not make it an authoritative source - you may be able to find links in internet supporting almost anything, or, if they don't exist, just create one :)

From your link above:

"The evidence is concrete and unmistakable. NATO has violated international laws, including Article 3(d) of the ICT Statute and the Geneva Convention of 1949, through this campaign of destruction. NATO targeted these sites to demoralize the population by bombing what is so precious to their identity. NATO and its political and military leaders and its responsible personnel are therefore charged with Crimes against Humanity, which cannot be dismissed as "collateral damage" and must not go unpunished. NATO has destroyed the irreplaceable: the history, culture and honor of the Yugoslavian people. This evidence reveals NATO’s blatant destruction of the history of an entire culture and spiritual heritage, in a systematic attempt to eradicate it."

Whereas the UN and the international community say http://www.icty.org/sid/7846:

"Although some mistakes were made by NATO [...] there was no deliberate targeting of civilians or unlawful military targets by NATO during the campaign"

j

pre 8 godina

Looks like the Serb politicians are afraid they may end up on Interpol's wanted list once Kosova becomes a member. Next time it will be Vucic, Nikolic, and Dacic stopped in Slovenia. What's good for the goose...

a New day

pre 8 godina

icj1 likes to associate the words "international community" with ICTY

The facts are as follows:

1. The majority of the world's population has not ratified ICTY

2. In fact, at the time of the Yugoslav Civil wars, less than 40% of all world countries ratified ICTY

3. ICTY is not the UN but a separate organization

4. The only mouthpiece for the UN is the UN Security Council
(factman, 19 August 2015 06:03)
Where do you come up with these "facts".
The ICTY was created with the enactment of Resolution 827 of the UNSC. It received 15 affirmative votes (a unanimous decision) there were no dissentions or abstinations. The ICTY did not need or is there such a thing as ratifications by anyone other than the Security Council.
There are two parts to the UN the Security Council and the General Assembly and they each have their voice.
True the ICTY is not the UN, it was created by the UNSC and works independently without political pressure from the UNSC. Similar to the Supreme Court of the US, it acts independently and its rulings can not be altered by Congress nor the President. However I do not think you can say the same about the Serbian justice system.

a New day

pre 8 godina

(factman, 19 August 2015 16:43)
Not really worth pursuing the conversation, but to say I am really confused as to you bringing the ICC into the picture as it was not even formed until 2002 long after the conclusion of any of the Yugoslavia wars.
And I say that both you and icj1 are wrong on the voice of the international community, but that is my opinion just as you both have expressed yours.

Azir

pre 8 godina

@yugoslavija:
NATO stopped Genocide in Kosova by bombing some sense into Serbs thick skulls.
UCK and our allies showed you the door.........

The Chinese Embassy wasn't " blown up" .
It was accidently hit and all the victim's families were compensated millions of dollars.
China got over it ......how's about you?

Close to 2 million Kosovars welcomed NATO so your nonsense of NATO intentionaly targeting and killing civilians is futile.

USA is the world's only Super Power and with that comes its privileges.

When Serbia reaches same position as US it can then do the same.....but we all know Serbia according to International Studies will disappear from Europe and we then all can enjoy peace and stability.

think again

pre 8 godina

Its also very common for the KLA to claim to be heroes when in actuality they were cowards after the Serbian army pulled back under UN resolution 1244 and ethnically cleansing Serbs, Gypsies and some Albanian civilians under the noses of KFOR and NATO.
(Jugoslavija, 18 August 2015 21:58)
The Serbs that fled as the Serb military and paramilitary and police crawled back over the border to Serbia, did so out of a perceived fear of retaliation from the returning Albanians who arrived and found their houses burned and everything of value they owned stolen by their Serb neighbors.
You have the nerve to call anyone cowards, after you with the force of Serbia behind you went from house to house and beat, tortured, murdered and gangraped any innocent little girls in the house, for no other reason than they were not Serbian. I do not understand how you can sleep at night and then go to church on Sundays pretending to have religion.
The real reason Serbs are afraid of Kosovo recognition is that you know that your soapbox for crying to the world "we are the victims' will disappear. You have carried out a good propaganda campaign trying to convince the world that others were more guilty than Serbs in the Yugo wars, but the facts and figures(legitimate ones) just do not support it.

j

pre 8 godina

Think again, maybe you should look at facts and figures, the Banovina's and Oblasts of Yugoslavia had a Slavic population of over 50%. The Serbian population in Kosovo and Metohojia is less than 3%, a combination of Tito's policy to appease Albania forcing the Serbs to leave by force and economic means. It is exactly the opposite, Albania has committed Genocide to the Serbian population and will continue to do so in FYROM and southern Serbia as well.
(Jugoslavija, 19 August 2015 21:43)

Only in the Serbian unicorn makebelieve world can one be a winner and a victim of genocide at the same time. In the other thread you were stating how we didn't win anything, how we Albanians have lost every confrontation with the Serbs. In this thread you claim Albanians have caused genocide on Serbs, even though we've lost each and every time. That is not how it works in the real world. Especially since Serbia had tanks and warplanes, and we had rusted AK47 and shovels. If you want to make up a lie, at least make a good one and stick to it. Flip flopping like this exposes your half-a$$ed lie. Remember, like one of your Presidents said: "Serbs lie to be patriotic". You are not fulfilling your patriotic duties with these half-a$$ed lies. Try a better lie next time to be a better Serb patriot.

Azir

pre 8 godina

@Ignorant Yugoslavija:

You allege " Albania committed Genocide" on Serb criminals.

This is nonsense and totally false.

Albania was under 46 years of dictatorship from Enver Hoxha.

This Albania you allege is the most isolated nation on the planet.

No one could enter or exit but your propaganda myth remains Kosovars are really from Albania proper.

Tanjug "education" gets you this .

Brian

pre 8 godina

Serbia indicted Albanians when Kosovo was not independent not after. Kosovo has no jurisdiction over Serbs in Serbia and Interpol could never follow an indictment of vucic dacic or nikolic as Kosovo has no jurisdiction over Serbia citizens.

Alan

pre 8 godina

LOL. Oh Serbs, how your protests fall on deaf ears. It's actually becoming quite sad to see how powerless you've become. That Greater Serbia plan didn't work out so well did it? The EU and America have you on a leash.

You are so weak that you will never get Kosovo back - EVER, and you will probably have to make concessions in Vojvodina to keep your EU-bid alive. All you are doing is making a sad and pathetic attempt to delay the inevitable. The Rubicon has been crossed - each year that goes by it will be more difficult for you to reestablish any authority in Kosovo. In fact, it's already impossible. Yelling "Kosovo is Serbia" isn't going to do the trick either. Maybe you can sway Europe and America with you economic prowess, hahahaha.

think about it

pre 8 godina

Serbia indicted Albanians when Kosovo was not independent not after. Kosovo has no jurisdiction over Serbs in Serbia and Interpol could never follow an indictment of vucic dacic or nikolic as Kosovo has no jurisdiction over Serbia citizens.
(Brian, 20 August 2015 02:15)
Serbia has no control over Croatia or Bosnia either but it did not stop them from issuing warrants for people from both states to Interpol. But of course you see that no one honors those warrants either. How many people with Interpol warrants from Serbia have been actually extradicted to Serbia. Even the warrants from when as you say before Kosovo declared independence, I remember Ceku being detained a couple of times but never extradicted but released.

So far a Serbian warrant issued by Interpol doesn't have the value of the ink it took to write it.