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Friday, 07.08.2015.

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PM suggests joint remembrance day for ex-Yugoslav countries

Serbian PM Aleksandar Vucic has announced he would suggest "to all leaders of former Yugoslavia countries to mark a joint day of remembrance for the victims."

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"Serbia must make observations of its own victims for the basic organic purpose of memory itself: To protect against the recurrence of accident in the future. This is why the Jews formally remember the Holocaust, not because they seek reconciliation with their persecutors."
(Paul, 8 August 2015 22:37)

Yes, but a better comparison for Serbs would have been 'And that's why Germans keep it in memory and are vigilant - to protect against the recurrence of accident in the future.'

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

How moronic, Mr Vucic. You send a protest note to Croatia about chants by extremists and hooligns, while your president sees the Croatian state of nowadays as the successor of the Nazi Croatia. And your police doesn't stop Serbian extremist political leaders from burning flags.

Would you like the Republic of Serbia to be called the successor state (in mind) of Milosevic's YU? Oh, wait, probably you would like - or at least Nicolic would be honored to be president of such a state.

rote

pre 8 godina

B92

Now that this forum became favorite for all the Serbophobes coming here to spit and bark it’s rather strange that you chose such open mouth photos of your (as I hope) PM.


True colors

What I mean is that Serbia was imposed the current status quo and if the balance of power in the world and particularly in Europe changes it will be quite natural for Serbia to seek for just. Will it be reached with political or military instruments we don’t know. Bur self-determination of former Yugoslav peoples was accompanied with stealing Serbian territories with or without local Serbs and this is what will be questioned first. I understand you as all neighbors are weaker than the Serbs so you would prefer to deprive them of their sovereignty within some western institution. You hope that it will legalize the stolen territories and the bacchanalia of the 90s. Such peace will be temporary as sooner or later Serbs will try to replay the wars. But because all the neighbors has very limited rights to solve local problems I hope that Russia will bring changes to the Balkans. It will bring peace and good neighborhood for all but some of the mistakes of the past will have to be improved. Nobody can grant you peace without bringing peace to your neighbors. So it's primitive to think that Russia is to help Serbs in a new war. Russia is to be an intermediator rather than a part in such a war.

Wee Kelpie

pre 8 godina

Reading a few of the comments it's fortunate that you elect politicians to make decisions for you.
Big decisions require big shoulders.
Regardless of party politics and affiliations, decisions that extend beyond borders that can affect future stability and relations need a fresh approach.
The three main protagonists, BiH, Croatia and Serbia need to get there act together and offer something useful and purposeful for there children and grandchildren.
God forbid that the bickering and squabbling is passed on genetically, and your all clamouring to be effective responsible members of the European community?
Ironic when you think that you're all from the same bloodline, divided by empires and religion, family fallouts are generally the worst of all.
Get a grip people and show some maturity.

a shame

pre 8 godina

My God! Please Vucic, just focus on Serbia and RS. Forget about these other old ex YU countries for once. Not worth our time.
(MikeD, 8 August 2015 23:45)
Shame you did not offer that advice to Milosevic, had he heeded, the countries (including Serbia) could have spent the last 20 years building instead of reconstructing.

a matter of facts

pre 8 godina

(The Bug, 8 August 2015 14:29)
Some of what you say is true. While you say that bad things happened during the civil war like people need to move on, then you go on a lengthy tirade of what happened in WW2 which was 70 years ago, so we should remember what you claim the Croats and Albanians did 70 years ago but forget what the Serbs did 15-20 years ago.
It is time to move on but there is no defense for what Milosevic did and most of what happened to Serbs during this time was a direct result of Serbian actions at the time. So the victims of the "civil war" will never be on equal footing as Vucic and others try to claim.

Now you say: NATO helped during Operation Storm although it was a UN protected area, NATO helped albanians to occupy Kosovo although it was UN protected area. You may look only Milosevic but NATO assisted every anti-Serbia country.
Neither Croatia nor Kosovo were UN protected areas, both had UN peacekeepers there as observers and were in actuality not "protecting" anyone. As a matter of fact the only UN protected area is Kosovo post bombing with the enactment of UNSC 1244, in which the UNSC did establish Kosovo as a UN protectorate with the ability to use force in order to "protect" the people and land.
Also where did you come up with "helped the Albanians to occupy Kosovo" They occupied nothing they were there, that was their homes and no one new moved in.

True colors

pre 8 godina

True colors : if there is a future war it will be because of Serbia just as before.

*** Wars are results of new of balances of powers.

(rote kapelle, 8 August 2015 23:28)
Which is exactly what I said. The wars previously started as Serbia gained control of Yugoslavia, once they were put back in place no war, but as Serbia starts building power again it is a threat to peace in the Balkans.
But you highlight a lesson that Russia is teaching the world today. As Russia began to reestablish more power, it started the invasion of neighboring countries. Which is simply why the dog must be put back in the cage.
The problems are that Georgia and Ukraine are on the edge of what is considered the Russian sphere of control, and Russia has an edge, unfortunately for Serbia it is not and Russia must enter the European sphere to afford any help, in which the west has an edge.
ACtions in the Russia sphere draws political response, sanctions, isolation etc. Russian action inside the European sphere would be treated as acts of war, and the response would be military not political

rote kapelle

pre 8 godina

Avni : Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo have to occupy Serbia first.

*** Forget about it because Russia is behind now.


True colors : if there is a future war it will be because of Serbia just as before.

*** Wars are results of new of balances of powers.


Macknov : BBC/CNN/FOX version of the events.

*** The problem is that Serbs are too stubborn to suck like all their neighbors do.


Azir : Vucic you are embarrassing … due to lack of brain organ.

*** If your brains are put on one side of a balance and his brains are thrown on the other yours will fly to cosmos.


Eric : Serbia is a destabilizer in the region

*** Because it was robbed and demonized and no steps to reconciliation were made. In a film Stallone said "VENDETTA is the Italian for REMEMBER"


ned taylor : this suggestion will be seen as an attempt at moral equivalence

*** Houw would you grunt should they have a border with Russia ?


Factman

*** Sometimes you become too loyal to our rivals - I watch you.


Ari Gold : they are not interested in your "peace and reconciliation".

*** Worse than that my dear! The problem is that all Serbia’s neighbors have no jurisdiction to solve such problems. The are just retranslating the Brussels or Washington Politburos.

Paul

pre 8 godina

Vucic has his good moments and this is not one of them.

The Catholics and the Muslims in this region are straining hard to place some moral equivalence between themselves and the Serbian Orthodox believers in history, even though they openly embrace the actors of their own evil associations in the past.

There is no way that they can afford to stand in solidarity with Serbs and their victims. If they were to do that, they would have to repent their past associations, and clearly they are not interested in doing that. Their recent past is based on resurrecting what they see as the virtues of those past associations.

What would be the point of such collective demonstrations since Europe completely ignores resurgent fascism and fanaticism in the Balkans?

Serbia must make observations of its own victims for the basic organic purpose of memory itself: To protect against the recurrence of accident in the future. This is why the Jews formally remember the Holocaust, not because they seek reconciliation with their persecutors.

Azir

pre 8 godina

@Goran the Ignorant:

If you had any sense you would understand Croatia helped Serbia.

You confessed Serb's goal is and was to have all Serbs in one state....right?

Well then Croatia and your retreating Army in Krajina along with your coward leadership in Belgrade at that time decided to safely evacuate and help fulfull part of your dream of uniting all Serbs.

You owe much to Croatia.

Harris

pre 8 godina

the idea is not bad but I tell you how it works, to accept the resolution made by United Kingdom for genocide committed by Serbs and apologize to all the victims.

The Bug

pre 8 godina

I am tired of everyone hating Serbs. What happened during The Civil War is something that cannot be denied. The Butcher Of Balkan Milosevic was nothing more than a new age dictator. But let\'s get some facts straight. Croats joined the Nazis during 2nd World War and performed a genocide nobody is talking about. Albanians,another Nazi ally in 2nd World War, were growing in numbers in Kosovo since death of Tito, so when the time was right The Bombings happened. NATO helped during Operation Storm although it was a UN protected area, NATO helped albanians to occupy Kosovo although it was UN protected area. You may look only Milosevic but NATO assisted every anti-Serbia country. In the end of the day, there aren\'t true differences between balkan countries except for religion and politics. Let\'s face it, Yugoslavia (Slavs Of The South) was a utopia with areas (not countries) willing to pop out each others eyes. Milosevic did what he did, only because rest of balkan countries performed various dirty deeds over the years and used every bit of history to succeed his plan. Next time you want to hate on Serbs, ask a croat\'s grandpa how many Serbs he killed in Nazi death camps during 2nd World War. You\'re welcome.

Bam Bam

pre 8 godina

The Serbs commit genocide in Srebrenica and now they want everyone to sit around an open fire holding hands and paying respects to all victims. Vucic the man who once said ' 1 Serb death and 100 Muslims will perish' . The aggressor ( Serbs ) can never become the victim. The Serbs have attempted to manipulate history for there own personal gain. It ain't working !

Wee Kelpie

pre 8 godina

In principle a sound idea.

It will take courage from the political elite to meet and agree on the proposition though.

However, this is the 21st century. The people of the Balkans are tired, the regions broke and the future is uncertain.

Rather than individual states squabble over past actions, how about swallowing a huge humility pill and all protagonists
Publicily and constitutionally accept there role/responsibility?

Start to put closure on the issue and take the initiative away from nationalist/religious agitators?

No blame, no claim, just a simple acceptance and a unilateral date of recognition.

Then, hopefully, the people can start to view the future a little more optimisticly.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

pRightly or wrongly this suggestion will be seen as an attempt at moral equivalence and is therefore a non-starter.
(ned taylor, 7 August 2015 20:42)

Exactly. How can there be a moral equivalent to ethnically cleansing a quarter million people in a matter of days. The worst act of ethnic cleansing since WWII. No equivalence

j

pre 8 godina

"For Home: Ready," and "Kill Serb." Something of the kind was not heard during the gatherings held in Serbia and speaks about the Serb magnitude," Vucic stressed.

-- Vucic being a hypocrite as always. Expected from the Serbs. When a whole stadium filled with Serbs in Serbia chants kill Albanians, Vucic has no issue. Serbs here saw no issue with it, and now all of a sudden he has a problem. Gtfo here. As long as Serbia is OK with xenophobic chants towards other people, it has no standing whatsoever to file complaints. It's completely nonsensical.

True colors

pre 8 godina

(factman, 7 August 2015 19:12)
All this is a paththetic attempt to make the world see Serbia as the victims. They tried their own day of mourning and no one fell for it, so the only way to save face is if they get the others to agree to one day then the world cannot show sympathy to the victims of Serbia without showing it to Serbs themselves.
It is a clever ploy though, as he will claim it is an act of reconciliation, but nothing is as it seems.
I don't think anyone outside of the Balkans is interested in seeing Serbia and Vojvodina, of course Kosovo is out of the picture in that scenario.
But I see your true colors coming through in the Milosevic dream, of a stronger Serbia would control the others.
If you stop to think now you might realize WHY the EU wants Serbia inside under their control. They know it cannot be trusted. Also that is the true meaning when anyone says Serbia is the stabilizing force in the Balkans. It is the wild card and if there is a future war it will be because of Serbia just as before.

Macknov

pre 8 godina

Vucic Ghandi while others celebrate ethnic cleansing, Nazism and genocide they are not interested in your "peace and reconciliation".
(Ari Gold, 7 August 2015 18:13)

Yep like denial of the Sebrenica Genocide. Denial of ethnic cleansing of Croat in Croatia and RS which lead to the reactive Operation Storm that lead to 200,000 Serbian refugees who not long before supported the genocidal practice of Krajina rebel Serb militia.

Good to see him become more normal. At least the Croatian PM and President and officials don't deny war crimes and admit there were crimes during Storm.

Goran Bogoevski

pre 8 godina

This is a silly idea. Concentrate on Serbian issues, not resurrection of Yugoslavia.
our aim should be that all Serbs live in one country.

Azir

pre 8 godina

After WW2 I am sure Nazi-Germany and Israel both commemorated their victims.

Now..... Vucic should they had done it together or seperately?

Vucic you are embarrassing your position due to lack of brain organ.

And no ...you can't blame it was somehow "snatched".....

factman

pre 8 godina

It's a sensible idea, but it likely won't work.

The new nations that came to be in the break up of Yugoslavia:

- Need a bad guy. It gives them meaning.

- Need to keep Serbia down. They are seeking to develop their nations and a strong Serbia interferes with that development. A strong Serbia will crowd them out and dominate these small little nations of 500k - 4M people. Like Tito before them, the model is about keeping the Serb weak and broken into 3 pieces: Vojvodina, Serbia, Kosovo).

As long as Serbs don't fall for the provocations, that game is over.

Andy UK

pre 8 godina

Good idea, I like it. Most ordinary Yugoslav's lives were turned upside down by idiot politicians and the ordinary people should remember the victims together.

Andy UK

pre 8 godina

Good idea, I like it. Most ordinary Yugoslav's lives were turned upside down by idiot politicians and the ordinary people should remember the victims together.

factman

pre 8 godina

It's a sensible idea, but it likely won't work.

The new nations that came to be in the break up of Yugoslavia:

- Need a bad guy. It gives them meaning.

- Need to keep Serbia down. They are seeking to develop their nations and a strong Serbia interferes with that development. A strong Serbia will crowd them out and dominate these small little nations of 500k - 4M people. Like Tito before them, the model is about keeping the Serb weak and broken into 3 pieces: Vojvodina, Serbia, Kosovo).

As long as Serbs don't fall for the provocations, that game is over.

Bam Bam

pre 8 godina

The Serbs commit genocide in Srebrenica and now they want everyone to sit around an open fire holding hands and paying respects to all victims. Vucic the man who once said ' 1 Serb death and 100 Muslims will perish' . The aggressor ( Serbs ) can never become the victim. The Serbs have attempted to manipulate history for there own personal gain. It ain't working !

j

pre 8 godina

"For Home: Ready," and "Kill Serb." Something of the kind was not heard during the gatherings held in Serbia and speaks about the Serb magnitude," Vucic stressed.

-- Vucic being a hypocrite as always. Expected from the Serbs. When a whole stadium filled with Serbs in Serbia chants kill Albanians, Vucic has no issue. Serbs here saw no issue with it, and now all of a sudden he has a problem. Gtfo here. As long as Serbia is OK with xenophobic chants towards other people, it has no standing whatsoever to file complaints. It's completely nonsensical.

True colors

pre 8 godina

(factman, 7 August 2015 19:12)
All this is a paththetic attempt to make the world see Serbia as the victims. They tried their own day of mourning and no one fell for it, so the only way to save face is if they get the others to agree to one day then the world cannot show sympathy to the victims of Serbia without showing it to Serbs themselves.
It is a clever ploy though, as he will claim it is an act of reconciliation, but nothing is as it seems.
I don't think anyone outside of the Balkans is interested in seeing Serbia and Vojvodina, of course Kosovo is out of the picture in that scenario.
But I see your true colors coming through in the Milosevic dream, of a stronger Serbia would control the others.
If you stop to think now you might realize WHY the EU wants Serbia inside under their control. They know it cannot be trusted. Also that is the true meaning when anyone says Serbia is the stabilizing force in the Balkans. It is the wild card and if there is a future war it will be because of Serbia just as before.

Macknov

pre 8 godina

Vucic Ghandi while others celebrate ethnic cleansing, Nazism and genocide they are not interested in your "peace and reconciliation".
(Ari Gold, 7 August 2015 18:13)

Yep like denial of the Sebrenica Genocide. Denial of ethnic cleansing of Croat in Croatia and RS which lead to the reactive Operation Storm that lead to 200,000 Serbian refugees who not long before supported the genocidal practice of Krajina rebel Serb militia.

Good to see him become more normal. At least the Croatian PM and President and officials don't deny war crimes and admit there were crimes during Storm.

Wee Kelpie

pre 8 godina

In principle a sound idea.

It will take courage from the political elite to meet and agree on the proposition though.

However, this is the 21st century. The people of the Balkans are tired, the regions broke and the future is uncertain.

Rather than individual states squabble over past actions, how about swallowing a huge humility pill and all protagonists
Publicily and constitutionally accept there role/responsibility?

Start to put closure on the issue and take the initiative away from nationalist/religious agitators?

No blame, no claim, just a simple acceptance and a unilateral date of recognition.

Then, hopefully, the people can start to view the future a little more optimisticly.

Azir

pre 8 godina

@Goran the Ignorant:

If you had any sense you would understand Croatia helped Serbia.

You confessed Serb's goal is and was to have all Serbs in one state....right?

Well then Croatia and your retreating Army in Krajina along with your coward leadership in Belgrade at that time decided to safely evacuate and help fulfull part of your dream of uniting all Serbs.

You owe much to Croatia.

Harris

pre 8 godina

the idea is not bad but I tell you how it works, to accept the resolution made by United Kingdom for genocide committed by Serbs and apologize to all the victims.

a shame

pre 8 godina

My God! Please Vucic, just focus on Serbia and RS. Forget about these other old ex YU countries for once. Not worth our time.
(MikeD, 8 August 2015 23:45)
Shame you did not offer that advice to Milosevic, had he heeded, the countries (including Serbia) could have spent the last 20 years building instead of reconstructing.

The Bug

pre 8 godina

I am tired of everyone hating Serbs. What happened during The Civil War is something that cannot be denied. The Butcher Of Balkan Milosevic was nothing more than a new age dictator. But let\'s get some facts straight. Croats joined the Nazis during 2nd World War and performed a genocide nobody is talking about. Albanians,another Nazi ally in 2nd World War, were growing in numbers in Kosovo since death of Tito, so when the time was right The Bombings happened. NATO helped during Operation Storm although it was a UN protected area, NATO helped albanians to occupy Kosovo although it was UN protected area. You may look only Milosevic but NATO assisted every anti-Serbia country. In the end of the day, there aren\'t true differences between balkan countries except for religion and politics. Let\'s face it, Yugoslavia (Slavs Of The South) was a utopia with areas (not countries) willing to pop out each others eyes. Milosevic did what he did, only because rest of balkan countries performed various dirty deeds over the years and used every bit of history to succeed his plan. Next time you want to hate on Serbs, ask a croat\'s grandpa how many Serbs he killed in Nazi death camps during 2nd World War. You\'re welcome.

a matter of facts

pre 8 godina

(The Bug, 8 August 2015 14:29)
Some of what you say is true. While you say that bad things happened during the civil war like people need to move on, then you go on a lengthy tirade of what happened in WW2 which was 70 years ago, so we should remember what you claim the Croats and Albanians did 70 years ago but forget what the Serbs did 15-20 years ago.
It is time to move on but there is no defense for what Milosevic did and most of what happened to Serbs during this time was a direct result of Serbian actions at the time. So the victims of the "civil war" will never be on equal footing as Vucic and others try to claim.

Now you say: NATO helped during Operation Storm although it was a UN protected area, NATO helped albanians to occupy Kosovo although it was UN protected area. You may look only Milosevic but NATO assisted every anti-Serbia country.
Neither Croatia nor Kosovo were UN protected areas, both had UN peacekeepers there as observers and were in actuality not "protecting" anyone. As a matter of fact the only UN protected area is Kosovo post bombing with the enactment of UNSC 1244, in which the UNSC did establish Kosovo as a UN protectorate with the ability to use force in order to "protect" the people and land.
Also where did you come up with "helped the Albanians to occupy Kosovo" They occupied nothing they were there, that was their homes and no one new moved in.

Goran Bogoevski

pre 8 godina

This is a silly idea. Concentrate on Serbian issues, not resurrection of Yugoslavia.
our aim should be that all Serbs live in one country.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

pRightly or wrongly this suggestion will be seen as an attempt at moral equivalence and is therefore a non-starter.
(ned taylor, 7 August 2015 20:42)

Exactly. How can there be a moral equivalent to ethnically cleansing a quarter million people in a matter of days. The worst act of ethnic cleansing since WWII. No equivalence

True colors

pre 8 godina

True colors : if there is a future war it will be because of Serbia just as before.

*** Wars are results of new of balances of powers.

(rote kapelle, 8 August 2015 23:28)
Which is exactly what I said. The wars previously started as Serbia gained control of Yugoslavia, once they were put back in place no war, but as Serbia starts building power again it is a threat to peace in the Balkans.
But you highlight a lesson that Russia is teaching the world today. As Russia began to reestablish more power, it started the invasion of neighboring countries. Which is simply why the dog must be put back in the cage.
The problems are that Georgia and Ukraine are on the edge of what is considered the Russian sphere of control, and Russia has an edge, unfortunately for Serbia it is not and Russia must enter the European sphere to afford any help, in which the west has an edge.
ACtions in the Russia sphere draws political response, sanctions, isolation etc. Russian action inside the European sphere would be treated as acts of war, and the response would be military not political

Azir

pre 8 godina

After WW2 I am sure Nazi-Germany and Israel both commemorated their victims.

Now..... Vucic should they had done it together or seperately?

Vucic you are embarrassing your position due to lack of brain organ.

And no ...you can't blame it was somehow "snatched".....

Paul

pre 8 godina

Vucic has his good moments and this is not one of them.

The Catholics and the Muslims in this region are straining hard to place some moral equivalence between themselves and the Serbian Orthodox believers in history, even though they openly embrace the actors of their own evil associations in the past.

There is no way that they can afford to stand in solidarity with Serbs and their victims. If they were to do that, they would have to repent their past associations, and clearly they are not interested in doing that. Their recent past is based on resurrecting what they see as the virtues of those past associations.

What would be the point of such collective demonstrations since Europe completely ignores resurgent fascism and fanaticism in the Balkans?

Serbia must make observations of its own victims for the basic organic purpose of memory itself: To protect against the recurrence of accident in the future. This is why the Jews formally remember the Holocaust, not because they seek reconciliation with their persecutors.

rote kapelle

pre 8 godina

Avni : Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo have to occupy Serbia first.

*** Forget about it because Russia is behind now.


True colors : if there is a future war it will be because of Serbia just as before.

*** Wars are results of new of balances of powers.


Macknov : BBC/CNN/FOX version of the events.

*** The problem is that Serbs are too stubborn to suck like all their neighbors do.


Azir : Vucic you are embarrassing … due to lack of brain organ.

*** If your brains are put on one side of a balance and his brains are thrown on the other yours will fly to cosmos.


Eric : Serbia is a destabilizer in the region

*** Because it was robbed and demonized and no steps to reconciliation were made. In a film Stallone said "VENDETTA is the Italian for REMEMBER"


ned taylor : this suggestion will be seen as an attempt at moral equivalence

*** Houw would you grunt should they have a border with Russia ?


Factman

*** Sometimes you become too loyal to our rivals - I watch you.


Ari Gold : they are not interested in your "peace and reconciliation".

*** Worse than that my dear! The problem is that all Serbia’s neighbors have no jurisdiction to solve such problems. The are just retranslating the Brussels or Washington Politburos.

Wee Kelpie

pre 8 godina

Reading a few of the comments it's fortunate that you elect politicians to make decisions for you.
Big decisions require big shoulders.
Regardless of party politics and affiliations, decisions that extend beyond borders that can affect future stability and relations need a fresh approach.
The three main protagonists, BiH, Croatia and Serbia need to get there act together and offer something useful and purposeful for there children and grandchildren.
God forbid that the bickering and squabbling is passed on genetically, and your all clamouring to be effective responsible members of the European community?
Ironic when you think that you're all from the same bloodline, divided by empires and religion, family fallouts are generally the worst of all.
Get a grip people and show some maturity.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

How moronic, Mr Vucic. You send a protest note to Croatia about chants by extremists and hooligns, while your president sees the Croatian state of nowadays as the successor of the Nazi Croatia. And your police doesn't stop Serbian extremist political leaders from burning flags.

Would you like the Republic of Serbia to be called the successor state (in mind) of Milosevic's YU? Oh, wait, probably you would like - or at least Nicolic would be honored to be president of such a state.

rote

pre 8 godina

B92

Now that this forum became favorite for all the Serbophobes coming here to spit and bark it’s rather strange that you chose such open mouth photos of your (as I hope) PM.


True colors

What I mean is that Serbia was imposed the current status quo and if the balance of power in the world and particularly in Europe changes it will be quite natural for Serbia to seek for just. Will it be reached with political or military instruments we don’t know. Bur self-determination of former Yugoslav peoples was accompanied with stealing Serbian territories with or without local Serbs and this is what will be questioned first. I understand you as all neighbors are weaker than the Serbs so you would prefer to deprive them of their sovereignty within some western institution. You hope that it will legalize the stolen territories and the bacchanalia of the 90s. Such peace will be temporary as sooner or later Serbs will try to replay the wars. But because all the neighbors has very limited rights to solve local problems I hope that Russia will bring changes to the Balkans. It will bring peace and good neighborhood for all but some of the mistakes of the past will have to be improved. Nobody can grant you peace without bringing peace to your neighbors. So it's primitive to think that Russia is to help Serbs in a new war. Russia is to be an intermediator rather than a part in such a war.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"Serbia must make observations of its own victims for the basic organic purpose of memory itself: To protect against the recurrence of accident in the future. This is why the Jews formally remember the Holocaust, not because they seek reconciliation with their persecutors."
(Paul, 8 August 2015 22:37)

Yes, but a better comparison for Serbs would have been 'And that's why Germans keep it in memory and are vigilant - to protect against the recurrence of accident in the future.'

factman

pre 8 godina

It's a sensible idea, but it likely won't work.

The new nations that came to be in the break up of Yugoslavia:

- Need a bad guy. It gives them meaning.

- Need to keep Serbia down. They are seeking to develop their nations and a strong Serbia interferes with that development. A strong Serbia will crowd them out and dominate these small little nations of 500k - 4M people. Like Tito before them, the model is about keeping the Serb weak and broken into 3 pieces: Vojvodina, Serbia, Kosovo).

As long as Serbs don't fall for the provocations, that game is over.

Bam Bam

pre 8 godina

The Serbs commit genocide in Srebrenica and now they want everyone to sit around an open fire holding hands and paying respects to all victims. Vucic the man who once said ' 1 Serb death and 100 Muslims will perish' . The aggressor ( Serbs ) can never become the victim. The Serbs have attempted to manipulate history for there own personal gain. It ain't working !

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

pRightly or wrongly this suggestion will be seen as an attempt at moral equivalence and is therefore a non-starter.
(ned taylor, 7 August 2015 20:42)

Exactly. How can there be a moral equivalent to ethnically cleansing a quarter million people in a matter of days. The worst act of ethnic cleansing since WWII. No equivalence

Macknov

pre 8 godina

Vucic Ghandi while others celebrate ethnic cleansing, Nazism and genocide they are not interested in your "peace and reconciliation".
(Ari Gold, 7 August 2015 18:13)

Yep like denial of the Sebrenica Genocide. Denial of ethnic cleansing of Croat in Croatia and RS which lead to the reactive Operation Storm that lead to 200,000 Serbian refugees who not long before supported the genocidal practice of Krajina rebel Serb militia.

Good to see him become more normal. At least the Croatian PM and President and officials don't deny war crimes and admit there were crimes during Storm.

rote kapelle

pre 8 godina

Avni : Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo have to occupy Serbia first.

*** Forget about it because Russia is behind now.


True colors : if there is a future war it will be because of Serbia just as before.

*** Wars are results of new of balances of powers.


Macknov : BBC/CNN/FOX version of the events.

*** The problem is that Serbs are too stubborn to suck like all their neighbors do.


Azir : Vucic you are embarrassing … due to lack of brain organ.

*** If your brains are put on one side of a balance and his brains are thrown on the other yours will fly to cosmos.


Eric : Serbia is a destabilizer in the region

*** Because it was robbed and demonized and no steps to reconciliation were made. In a film Stallone said "VENDETTA is the Italian for REMEMBER"


ned taylor : this suggestion will be seen as an attempt at moral equivalence

*** Houw would you grunt should they have a border with Russia ?


Factman

*** Sometimes you become too loyal to our rivals - I watch you.


Ari Gold : they are not interested in your "peace and reconciliation".

*** Worse than that my dear! The problem is that all Serbia’s neighbors have no jurisdiction to solve such problems. The are just retranslating the Brussels or Washington Politburos.

True colors

pre 8 godina

(factman, 7 August 2015 19:12)
All this is a paththetic attempt to make the world see Serbia as the victims. They tried their own day of mourning and no one fell for it, so the only way to save face is if they get the others to agree to one day then the world cannot show sympathy to the victims of Serbia without showing it to Serbs themselves.
It is a clever ploy though, as he will claim it is an act of reconciliation, but nothing is as it seems.
I don't think anyone outside of the Balkans is interested in seeing Serbia and Vojvodina, of course Kosovo is out of the picture in that scenario.
But I see your true colors coming through in the Milosevic dream, of a stronger Serbia would control the others.
If you stop to think now you might realize WHY the EU wants Serbia inside under their control. They know it cannot be trusted. Also that is the true meaning when anyone says Serbia is the stabilizing force in the Balkans. It is the wild card and if there is a future war it will be because of Serbia just as before.

The Bug

pre 8 godina

I am tired of everyone hating Serbs. What happened during The Civil War is something that cannot be denied. The Butcher Of Balkan Milosevic was nothing more than a new age dictator. But let\'s get some facts straight. Croats joined the Nazis during 2nd World War and performed a genocide nobody is talking about. Albanians,another Nazi ally in 2nd World War, were growing in numbers in Kosovo since death of Tito, so when the time was right The Bombings happened. NATO helped during Operation Storm although it was a UN protected area, NATO helped albanians to occupy Kosovo although it was UN protected area. You may look only Milosevic but NATO assisted every anti-Serbia country. In the end of the day, there aren\'t true differences between balkan countries except for religion and politics. Let\'s face it, Yugoslavia (Slavs Of The South) was a utopia with areas (not countries) willing to pop out each others eyes. Milosevic did what he did, only because rest of balkan countries performed various dirty deeds over the years and used every bit of history to succeed his plan. Next time you want to hate on Serbs, ask a croat\'s grandpa how many Serbs he killed in Nazi death camps during 2nd World War. You\'re welcome.

Azir

pre 8 godina

After WW2 I am sure Nazi-Germany and Israel both commemorated their victims.

Now..... Vucic should they had done it together or seperately?

Vucic you are embarrassing your position due to lack of brain organ.

And no ...you can't blame it was somehow "snatched".....

j

pre 8 godina

"For Home: Ready," and "Kill Serb." Something of the kind was not heard during the gatherings held in Serbia and speaks about the Serb magnitude," Vucic stressed.

-- Vucic being a hypocrite as always. Expected from the Serbs. When a whole stadium filled with Serbs in Serbia chants kill Albanians, Vucic has no issue. Serbs here saw no issue with it, and now all of a sudden he has a problem. Gtfo here. As long as Serbia is OK with xenophobic chants towards other people, it has no standing whatsoever to file complaints. It's completely nonsensical.

Andy UK

pre 8 godina

Good idea, I like it. Most ordinary Yugoslav's lives were turned upside down by idiot politicians and the ordinary people should remember the victims together.

Azir

pre 8 godina

@Goran the Ignorant:

If you had any sense you would understand Croatia helped Serbia.

You confessed Serb's goal is and was to have all Serbs in one state....right?

Well then Croatia and your retreating Army in Krajina along with your coward leadership in Belgrade at that time decided to safely evacuate and help fulfull part of your dream of uniting all Serbs.

You owe much to Croatia.

a matter of facts

pre 8 godina

(The Bug, 8 August 2015 14:29)
Some of what you say is true. While you say that bad things happened during the civil war like people need to move on, then you go on a lengthy tirade of what happened in WW2 which was 70 years ago, so we should remember what you claim the Croats and Albanians did 70 years ago but forget what the Serbs did 15-20 years ago.
It is time to move on but there is no defense for what Milosevic did and most of what happened to Serbs during this time was a direct result of Serbian actions at the time. So the victims of the "civil war" will never be on equal footing as Vucic and others try to claim.

Now you say: NATO helped during Operation Storm although it was a UN protected area, NATO helped albanians to occupy Kosovo although it was UN protected area. You may look only Milosevic but NATO assisted every anti-Serbia country.
Neither Croatia nor Kosovo were UN protected areas, both had UN peacekeepers there as observers and were in actuality not "protecting" anyone. As a matter of fact the only UN protected area is Kosovo post bombing with the enactment of UNSC 1244, in which the UNSC did establish Kosovo as a UN protectorate with the ability to use force in order to "protect" the people and land.
Also where did you come up with "helped the Albanians to occupy Kosovo" They occupied nothing they were there, that was their homes and no one new moved in.

True colors

pre 8 godina

True colors : if there is a future war it will be because of Serbia just as before.

*** Wars are results of new of balances of powers.

(rote kapelle, 8 August 2015 23:28)
Which is exactly what I said. The wars previously started as Serbia gained control of Yugoslavia, once they were put back in place no war, but as Serbia starts building power again it is a threat to peace in the Balkans.
But you highlight a lesson that Russia is teaching the world today. As Russia began to reestablish more power, it started the invasion of neighboring countries. Which is simply why the dog must be put back in the cage.
The problems are that Georgia and Ukraine are on the edge of what is considered the Russian sphere of control, and Russia has an edge, unfortunately for Serbia it is not and Russia must enter the European sphere to afford any help, in which the west has an edge.
ACtions in the Russia sphere draws political response, sanctions, isolation etc. Russian action inside the European sphere would be treated as acts of war, and the response would be military not political

Goran Bogoevski

pre 8 godina

This is a silly idea. Concentrate on Serbian issues, not resurrection of Yugoslavia.
our aim should be that all Serbs live in one country.

rote

pre 8 godina

B92

Now that this forum became favorite for all the Serbophobes coming here to spit and bark it’s rather strange that you chose such open mouth photos of your (as I hope) PM.


True colors

What I mean is that Serbia was imposed the current status quo and if the balance of power in the world and particularly in Europe changes it will be quite natural for Serbia to seek for just. Will it be reached with political or military instruments we don’t know. Bur self-determination of former Yugoslav peoples was accompanied with stealing Serbian territories with or without local Serbs and this is what will be questioned first. I understand you as all neighbors are weaker than the Serbs so you would prefer to deprive them of their sovereignty within some western institution. You hope that it will legalize the stolen territories and the bacchanalia of the 90s. Such peace will be temporary as sooner or later Serbs will try to replay the wars. But because all the neighbors has very limited rights to solve local problems I hope that Russia will bring changes to the Balkans. It will bring peace and good neighborhood for all but some of the mistakes of the past will have to be improved. Nobody can grant you peace without bringing peace to your neighbors. So it's primitive to think that Russia is to help Serbs in a new war. Russia is to be an intermediator rather than a part in such a war.

Wee Kelpie

pre 8 godina

In principle a sound idea.

It will take courage from the political elite to meet and agree on the proposition though.

However, this is the 21st century. The people of the Balkans are tired, the regions broke and the future is uncertain.

Rather than individual states squabble over past actions, how about swallowing a huge humility pill and all protagonists
Publicily and constitutionally accept there role/responsibility?

Start to put closure on the issue and take the initiative away from nationalist/religious agitators?

No blame, no claim, just a simple acceptance and a unilateral date of recognition.

Then, hopefully, the people can start to view the future a little more optimisticly.

Harris

pre 8 godina

the idea is not bad but I tell you how it works, to accept the resolution made by United Kingdom for genocide committed by Serbs and apologize to all the victims.

Paul

pre 8 godina

Vucic has his good moments and this is not one of them.

The Catholics and the Muslims in this region are straining hard to place some moral equivalence between themselves and the Serbian Orthodox believers in history, even though they openly embrace the actors of their own evil associations in the past.

There is no way that they can afford to stand in solidarity with Serbs and their victims. If they were to do that, they would have to repent their past associations, and clearly they are not interested in doing that. Their recent past is based on resurrecting what they see as the virtues of those past associations.

What would be the point of such collective demonstrations since Europe completely ignores resurgent fascism and fanaticism in the Balkans?

Serbia must make observations of its own victims for the basic organic purpose of memory itself: To protect against the recurrence of accident in the future. This is why the Jews formally remember the Holocaust, not because they seek reconciliation with their persecutors.

a shame

pre 8 godina

My God! Please Vucic, just focus on Serbia and RS. Forget about these other old ex YU countries for once. Not worth our time.
(MikeD, 8 August 2015 23:45)
Shame you did not offer that advice to Milosevic, had he heeded, the countries (including Serbia) could have spent the last 20 years building instead of reconstructing.

Wee Kelpie

pre 8 godina

Reading a few of the comments it's fortunate that you elect politicians to make decisions for you.
Big decisions require big shoulders.
Regardless of party politics and affiliations, decisions that extend beyond borders that can affect future stability and relations need a fresh approach.
The three main protagonists, BiH, Croatia and Serbia need to get there act together and offer something useful and purposeful for there children and grandchildren.
God forbid that the bickering and squabbling is passed on genetically, and your all clamouring to be effective responsible members of the European community?
Ironic when you think that you're all from the same bloodline, divided by empires and religion, family fallouts are generally the worst of all.
Get a grip people and show some maturity.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

How moronic, Mr Vucic. You send a protest note to Croatia about chants by extremists and hooligns, while your president sees the Croatian state of nowadays as the successor of the Nazi Croatia. And your police doesn't stop Serbian extremist political leaders from burning flags.

Would you like the Republic of Serbia to be called the successor state (in mind) of Milosevic's YU? Oh, wait, probably you would like - or at least Nicolic would be honored to be president of such a state.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"Serbia must make observations of its own victims for the basic organic purpose of memory itself: To protect against the recurrence of accident in the future. This is why the Jews formally remember the Holocaust, not because they seek reconciliation with their persecutors."
(Paul, 8 August 2015 22:37)

Yes, but a better comparison for Serbs would have been 'And that's why Germans keep it in memory and are vigilant - to protect against the recurrence of accident in the future.'