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Monday, 20.07.2015.

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Belgrade "to do everything" to derail Pristina's UNESCO bid

Foreign Minister Ivica Dacic said on Sunday that "Serbia will do everything in its power to keep Kosovo from becoming a member of UNESCO."

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Ozzie

pre 8 godina

Peggy,

Serbians did not come to the Balkans with there own writing system and of the 1000+ church's in Kosovo 200 odd are Serbian. If you look at some frescoes they depict the population wearing the plis. Even peja jovanovic painted the Serbian ( read orthodox population, not necessary Serbian) exodus from Kosovo wearing Albanian costumes.

just a thought

pre 8 godina

Palestine joined with 107 votes, Kosovo has 108 formal recognitions and many who have not done so politically but have no reason to block their admission. So I say Serbia will have an uphill battle if they really want to expend any energy in this matter. But chances are this is only fodder for the masses and actually has no merit.

not so funny any more, actually growing very tiring

pre 8 godina

(Peggy, 23 July 2015 02:06)
Once again, read slowly this time. I am not interested in what the original conversation was about, I was reacting to your statement of "show me proof".
But as far as history of Kosovo goes, I could care less. This is 2015 my concerns are the people who live on the land today. The rest is history, something you study in school and great for conversations.
Not Albanian so I really could care less about establishing the ancestral history. You (I suppose) live in Australia, I am sure you cannot place any historical evidence that Serbs inhabited Australia in the 1500's or before Christ etc., but yet the land you own in Australia is yours, and you have a right to vote, and determine your government and their actions just as every other Australian citizen. So do the people of Kosovo, whether Albanian or Serbian or Roma or Turkish or Chinese.
Australia was a British colony, before that it belonged to the indigenous people of Australia, they are the ones who have historical sites, so do you propose that you should surrender your home to the original owners??? As it is highly doubtful they ever received any compensation for your right to live there. Can you prove a difference in your right in Australia and any Albanian's right in Kosovo?

Joni

pre 8 godina

When cornered they go wild just like animals.
(Peggy, 23 July 2015 02:08)

You my dear are not able to corner somebody here!
But, as much as i don't have to much fans on B92 staff in contrast with you..

We will say in Albania that : I'm showing to you the "wolf" - and you still search for "wolf tracks".

At least I'm not get tired in vain - because i really have no time and as you must understand not to much B92 staff fans.
B92 staff -- love you to!

Joni

pre 8 godina

(Jugoslavija, 22 July 2015 21:28)

Genocide - by Albanians??? Are you kidding me ??
Albanians are not a "barbaric" people - at least we have a "honor code". Ups sorry! Your teacher have teach to you that Albanians are savages - without making any kind of savagery in fact.
And just look at you the " non savages" - what have caused in Balkan.
There was a war in Kosovo - and Albanians never did mass crimes or rapes. You claim that Albanians did crimes against Serbs in Kosovo - in one territory that your army was dominant in all the territory, and you can't procure the facts for those crimes!!??
While..., maybe you are step on a mass grave, or you are swimming on in a river full of Albanians innocent corps. So please stop - because you just mix my stomach...
* If Tito was so "benevolent" toward Albanians then Kosovo will not be part of Serbia but to Albania.
Dear - you Serbs must believe whatever you want, but there are written evidence not written by Albanians.
If you don't want to see.. Is ok!
But, that don't mean that the rest of the world is eyeless..
So don't be ridiculous.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Show me some proof (not Wikipedia crap), but real proof of anything.
(Peggy, 21 July 2015 13:26)

Two likes and 14 dislikes. You must have really angered some Albanians with that!
(the actual truth, 21 July 2015 23:34)
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When cornered they go wild just like animals.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Wasn't my argument, as a matter of fact I do not recall the original post, my reaction was to your "show me proof" which is an impossibility to have you accept anything as proof. The thing that most comes to mind is your rant quite frequently that the reason that there is no proof of the organ harvesting is because the ICTY destroyed all the evidence. You still recite this week in and week out although everything that was destroyed which had no real connection or link to the alleged crimes were photographed and catalogued and that those would be just as useful as the items destroyed.
Or your statements on how Serbs in Kosovo live in ghettos surrounded by barbed wire. When on my travels through Kosovo which was quite extensive the only things I saw surrounded by barb wire were some patrimonial sites and abandoned buildings and of course military installations.
(too funny, 22 July 2015 16:53)
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None of what you said relates to proof of Albanians in Kosovo before Serbs.
Again, do you or don't you have proof and if you do when are you going to produce it?
When you are cornered you try to go on the attack. The topic was not organ harvesting here but ridiculous claims that you have anything in Kosovo proving it's yours (apart from Clinton statue).

too funny

pre 8 godina

(Jugoslavija, 22 July 2015 21:28
Genocide??? This from those who deny Srebrenica was genocide. If it was not pathethically sad, it would be hilarious.
Yes masses of Serbs left Kosovo after 1244, some for fear of reprisals, some because they did not want to live with Albanians in control and some for fear they would have to face justice for the crimes they had committed, that's not what one would call Genocide.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Or your statements on how Serbs in Kosovo live in ghettos surrounded by barbed wire. When on my travels through Kosovo which was quite extensive the only things I saw surrounded by barb wire were some patrimonial sites and abandoned buildings and of course military installations.
(too funny, 22 July 2015 16:53) # Comment link

Really, on all your "travels", are there any Serbs left in Pristina? If there are , they cannot utter the name Serbian or they will be lynched. Any Serbs left in Prizren? In Pec?

Genocide by the Albanians occurred in Kosovo after UN resolution 1244 was not upheld as intended and signed. However, the mass exodus of Serbs began after WWII under Tito in order to appease the Albanian Communists. The population of Serbs was close to 40% in Kosovo, now it less than 6%, just who is committing Genocide on the Serbs in Kosovo?

You seem to have problem both visually, spacial along with counting or reading or all of the above.

too funny

pre 8 godina

In other words you have none.
Let's say you can't convince me but why not present proof because maybe someone here will be convinced?
(Peggy, 22 July 2015 02:19)
Wasn't my argument, as a matter of fact I do not recall the original post, my reaction was to your "show me proof" which is an impossibility to have you accept anything as proof. The thing that most comes to mind is your rant quite frequently that the reason that there is no proof of the organ harvesting is because the ICTY destroyed all the evidence. You still recite this week in and week out although everything that was destroyed which had no real connection or link to the alleged crimes were photographed and catalogued and that those would be just as useful as the items destroyed.
Or your statements on how Serbs in Kosovo live in ghettos surrounded by barbed wire. When on my travels through Kosovo which was quite extensive the only things I saw surrounded by barb wire were some patrimonial sites and abandoned buildings and of course military installations.

Joni

pre 8 godina

(the actual truth, 21 July 2015 23:34)

Read carefully Vaso Cubrilovic memorandum - The Expulsion of the Albanians!
Then come here and talk again!
We have the same prob. even with Greeks - but Greeks in some way asked forgiveness and never deny what happened in south Albania.
All the migrations in Balkan after the VII are registered.
There is any kind of migration registered in Balkan, but even if it was one - how could the Albanians expel Serbs without any kind of resistance from Kosovo.
95 % of Kosovo population is Albanian. So is impossible!
Look a little how Serbian state try in organized manner - and with all the manners to expel the Albanians and they could not expel the native people from their land.
So try to clear up your ideas - and have a nice day!

rote kapelle

pre 8 godina

‘’rote, Albo is correct in translating what your name means in Albanian: rote=wheel. However, it also has another meaning in South Albanian slang: rrot=penishead, ,,, Albanians. Incidentally, is "rote" your baptismal name?’’ (The C*unt of Kosova, 21 July 2015 19:41)

Pussy one can guess why you prefer ‘’ rrot=penishead’’ t the truth is here ……… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Orchestra_(espionage)

The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

Of course my favorites are those who present things that are contrary to anything out that can be verified and then try to validate them by saying they are privy to information the rest of the world does not possess, a favorite among those in the past known as sj, and staff, and exKfor, and the newcomer factman.
(too funny, 21 July 2015 14:09)

too funny,
You are quite observant , but I believe your statement: "among those in the past known as sj, and staff, and exKfor, and the newcomer factman" are really one and the same looney, we can also add "Ari Gold" to your list of whacky alter egos.

Another thing you mentioned rings true: "Of course my favorites are those who present things that are contrary to anything out (there) that can be verified and then try to validate them by saying they are privy to information the rest of the world does not possess." Dick Marty comes to mind, the famous Swiss sleuth hired by the Serb government to solve the case of the imaginary and nameless Serb "victims" whose organs were removed in the wilderness during a fierce battle with the UCK.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

(Peggy, 21 July 2015 13:26
Show you proof?, like anyone, anywhere, at anytime could show you something that was "nonSerbian" and you would accept it! You have made your brain impervious to any information that challenges the beliefs that you have cemented in there.
(too funny, 21 July 2015 14:09
===========================
In other words you have none.
Let's say you can't convince me but why not present proof because maybe someone here will be convinced?

the actual truth

pre 8 godina

Show me some proof (not Wikipedia crap), but real proof of anything.
(Peggy, 21 July 2015 13:26)

Two likes and 14 dislikes. You must have really angered some Albanians with that!

The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

“Serbia it's reacting wrongly.. Serbia should …”


“Bashka” is the Turkish for “head” and seems that this nickname is not good for you. If you want them to trust you should call yourself GORAN or TTK or STRANGER or any other neutral name. At least you may be Bob as we already have plenty of them. And of course you have to start to be reasonable too.
(rote, 20 July 2015 14:39)
and your name "rote" means wheel"in Albanian.. so what's your point? His name "bashkim" means Unity in Albanian. Obviously you are not qualified to advise people on what kind of nicknames they have to chose.
What i dont understand is how is this related to this topic. Are you trying to change topic?
(Albo, 20 July 2015 19:44)

rote,
Albo is correct in translating what your name means in Albanian: rote=wheel.
However, it also has another meaning in South Albanian slang: rrot=penishead,
(a derogatory term, but is pronouced similar to "rote"). This second meaning is more appropriate to you, wouldn't you agree. You see, one can learn something new when communicating with Albanians. Incidentally, is "rote" your baptismal name?

too funny

pre 8 godina

(Peggy, 21 July 2015 13:26
Show you proof?, like anyone, anywhere, at anytime could show you something that was "nonSerbian" and you would accept it! You have made your brain impervious to any information that challenges the beliefs that you have cemented in there.
Of course I have found that to be pretty much the case in this forum. It matters not the validity of anything presented it is rejected by those who are of different thinking.
Of course my favorites are those who present things that are contrary to anything out that can be verified and then try to validate them by saying they are privy to information the rest of the world does not possess, a favorite among those in the past known as sj, and staff, and exKfor, and the newcomer factman.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Joni, not even once have any of you been able to show anything of yours in Kosovo before Serbs. Surely you would have something. Even a rock with Albanian writing on it. You keep repeating the same old rubbish that Serbs destroyed everything. If Serbs destroy every trace of previous culture how come there is so much evidence of Ottoman invasion left behind. Why didn't they destroy it all? You tell me to stop believing propaganda? Can you point to one monument, church, mosque or even a road built by you guys in Kosovo?
Show me some proof (not Wikipedia crap), but real proof of anything.

Joni

pre 8 godina

(Peggy, 21 July 2015 02:36)

How could be there an culture in Kosovo if Serbs destroyed it all....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Albanians_in_the_Balkan_Wars#Leon_Trotsky.27s_article

How could you know something about the Albanian history, culture, etc, if you learn and grow up with Cubrilovic propaganda ?

rote

pre 8 godina

Albo, 20 : “His name "bashkim" means Unity in Albanian.”

This I didn’t knew and I thought It was Turkish so I hinted that the nic was too smart for him.


Teodor Muzaka 1389 : “Stop your derogatory manner toward Albanians.”


There’s not a single nation whom I hate or dislike. If I back Serbs it does not mean that I automatically hate their rivals. All of you are much closer to one another than the EU/NATO/USA ect. they only add fuel to the fire each time that peace get a chance here. My point is that KIM lands must be divided among the two people. Now that I know one more word in Albanian I would say that divorce is the shortest way to reconciliation and a new beshkim. Finally I remind you that you have no idea of the 1389 battle where you say your ancestor took part. Learn more about it. How came that both the winners and the losers abandoned the field and the region for decades ? How came that 8 battles as if took place here afterwards ? How came that since the date before 19 century Serbs always fought on the “Turkish” side ? How came that the only place where Orthodox Christianity survived (outside Russia) was the Ottoman Empire ? How came that 100% of the international “Turkish” treaties before 1923 were signed in Greek ? How came that Pasha Sokologly (Sokolovic) had such a second proud name and such a high position ? What makes you think that Skiptaret and the Albanians are the same nation ? Have you got any artefacts or it's an axioma ?

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Croatia will do the same when it comes to Serbia joining EU. Not even mentioning USA, Germany, UK....
(Avni, 20 July 2015 22:19)
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Who told you that?

Sadly I think the membership will happen for now. Albanians need to take Serbian history to become legitimate. They don't have anything of their own to speak of their legitimacy to Kosovo but sooner or later the wrongs of faschists will be changed.

Navi

pre 8 godina

Everything in Kosovo/Kosova is Serbian except for that ratty 'Stillborn' sign in Pristina.
(Kosova, 20 July 2015 21:09)

Don't forget the garbage strewn roadside monuments to KLA terrorists, the statue of Bill Clinton, and Thaci's mafia mansion. All need UN funds to maintain this Albanian culture.

Kosova

pre 8 godina

Hey guess what? Kosova is also a Serbian word, Perhaps you'll try to steal that as well if you ever join UNESCO. Other than that... what monuments do you thieves have? Everything in Kosovo/Kosova is Serbian except for that ratty 'Stillborn' sign in Pristina.

Albo

pre 8 godina

“Serbia it's reacting wrongly.. Serbia should …”


“Bashka” is the Turkish for “head” and seems that this nickname is not good for you. If you want them to trust you should call yourself GORAN or TTK or STRANGER or any other neutral name. At least you may be Bob as we already have plenty of them. And of course you have to start to be reasonable too.
(rote, 20 July 2015 14:39)
and your name "rote" means wheel"in Albanian.. so what's your point? His name "bashkim" means Unity in Albanian. Obviously you are not qualified to advise people on what kind of nicknames they have to chose.
What i dont understand is how is this related to this topic. Are you trying to change topic?

Teodor Muzaka 1389

pre 8 godina

“Bashka” is the Turkish for “head”
@ rote,

Bashkim in Albanian means: union , or be together.
Stop your derogatory manner toward Albanians.

rote

pre 8 godina

Bashkim

“Serbia it's reacting wrongly.. Serbia should …”


“Bashka” is the Turkish for “head” and seems that this nickname is not good for you. If you want them to trust you should call yourself GORAN or TTK or STRANGER or any other neutral name. At least you may be Bob as we already have plenty of them. And of course you have to start to be reasonable too.

Brian

pre 8 godina

Brussels is very clear. Serbia must support and vote for Kosovo to be in unesco. Being in unesco Is part of kosovos eu path. Serbia will be violating Brussels not only if it votes no but abstains.

Bashkim

pre 8 godina

Serbia it's reacting wrongly.. Serbia should apologise for the genocide they did over Albania people in their home land. And build a good friendship. Politic need to be changed in Serbia. The politic should concentrate on the Serbian people and leave Kosovo people to build their future and country after the terror Serbs has showed!!!! Serbia should apologise one more and to move together in Europe.. This is democracy.. But Serbian authorities are doing this just to stay in government.. That's all.. Respect for all Balkan ;)

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

What cynicism, those who burned down our churches, the oldest institutions in Kosovo-Metohija, now want to steal that too. The only things in Kosovo-Metohija that haven't been turned into complete shit and are actually worth something are Trepca, Gazivoda, Brezovica and the Serbian Christian Monasteries. And surprise, the Albanians not only own none of them, but want to steal all of them.

When will the criminals at the KLA institutions stop trying to steal what isn't there's and when are ordinary impoverished Albanians going to start asking their "leaders" where did all those billions the West gave you go??

j

pre 8 godina

... when are ordinary impoverished Albanians going to start asking their "leaders" where did all those billions the West gave you go??
(Ari Gold, 20 July 2015 12:00)

I don't see ordinary impoverished Serbs asking their "leaders" where did all those billions the West gave you go.

Haitan

pre 8 godina

The US and Israel were powerless in trying to prevent Palestine from joining, so what power will Serbia have in trying to prevent Kosova from joining?

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

What cynicism, those who burned down our churches, the oldest institutions in Kosovo-Metohija, now want to steal that too. The only things in Kosovo-Metohija that haven't been turned into complete shit and are actually worth something are Trepca, Gazivoda, Brezovica and the Serbian Christian Monasteries. And surprise, the Albanians not only own none of them, but want to steal all of them.

When will the criminals at the KLA institutions stop trying to steal what isn't there's and when are ordinary impoverished Albanians going to start asking their "leaders" where did all those billions the West gave you go??

j

pre 8 godina

... when are ordinary impoverished Albanians going to start asking their "leaders" where did all those billions the West gave you go??
(Ari Gold, 20 July 2015 12:00)

I don't see ordinary impoverished Serbs asking their "leaders" where did all those billions the West gave you go.

Haitan

pre 8 godina

The US and Israel were powerless in trying to prevent Palestine from joining, so what power will Serbia have in trying to prevent Kosova from joining?

Bashkim

pre 8 godina

Serbia it's reacting wrongly.. Serbia should apologise for the genocide they did over Albania people in their home land. And build a good friendship. Politic need to be changed in Serbia. The politic should concentrate on the Serbian people and leave Kosovo people to build their future and country after the terror Serbs has showed!!!! Serbia should apologise one more and to move together in Europe.. This is democracy.. But Serbian authorities are doing this just to stay in government.. That's all.. Respect for all Balkan ;)

Joni

pre 8 godina

(Peggy, 21 July 2015 02:36)

How could be there an culture in Kosovo if Serbs destroyed it all....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Albanians_in_the_Balkan_Wars#Leon_Trotsky.27s_article

How could you know something about the Albanian history, culture, etc, if you learn and grow up with Cubrilovic propaganda ?

Brian

pre 8 godina

Brussels is very clear. Serbia must support and vote for Kosovo to be in unesco. Being in unesco Is part of kosovos eu path. Serbia will be violating Brussels not only if it votes no but abstains.

Albo

pre 8 godina

“Serbia it's reacting wrongly.. Serbia should …”


“Bashka” is the Turkish for “head” and seems that this nickname is not good for you. If you want them to trust you should call yourself GORAN or TTK or STRANGER or any other neutral name. At least you may be Bob as we already have plenty of them. And of course you have to start to be reasonable too.
(rote, 20 July 2015 14:39)
and your name "rote" means wheel"in Albanian.. so what's your point? His name "bashkim" means Unity in Albanian. Obviously you are not qualified to advise people on what kind of nicknames they have to chose.
What i dont understand is how is this related to this topic. Are you trying to change topic?

Teodor Muzaka 1389

pre 8 godina

“Bashka” is the Turkish for “head”
@ rote,

Bashkim in Albanian means: union , or be together.
Stop your derogatory manner toward Albanians.

too funny

pre 8 godina

(Peggy, 21 July 2015 13:26
Show you proof?, like anyone, anywhere, at anytime could show you something that was "nonSerbian" and you would accept it! You have made your brain impervious to any information that challenges the beliefs that you have cemented in there.
Of course I have found that to be pretty much the case in this forum. It matters not the validity of anything presented it is rejected by those who are of different thinking.
Of course my favorites are those who present things that are contrary to anything out that can be verified and then try to validate them by saying they are privy to information the rest of the world does not possess, a favorite among those in the past known as sj, and staff, and exKfor, and the newcomer factman.

Kosova

pre 8 godina

Hey guess what? Kosova is also a Serbian word, Perhaps you'll try to steal that as well if you ever join UNESCO. Other than that... what monuments do you thieves have? Everything in Kosovo/Kosova is Serbian except for that ratty 'Stillborn' sign in Pristina.

Navi

pre 8 godina

Everything in Kosovo/Kosova is Serbian except for that ratty 'Stillborn' sign in Pristina.
(Kosova, 20 July 2015 21:09)

Don't forget the garbage strewn roadside monuments to KLA terrorists, the statue of Bill Clinton, and Thaci's mafia mansion. All need UN funds to maintain this Albanian culture.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Croatia will do the same when it comes to Serbia joining EU. Not even mentioning USA, Germany, UK....
(Avni, 20 July 2015 22:19)
=================================
Who told you that?

Sadly I think the membership will happen for now. Albanians need to take Serbian history to become legitimate. They don't have anything of their own to speak of their legitimacy to Kosovo but sooner or later the wrongs of faschists will be changed.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Joni, not even once have any of you been able to show anything of yours in Kosovo before Serbs. Surely you would have something. Even a rock with Albanian writing on it. You keep repeating the same old rubbish that Serbs destroyed everything. If Serbs destroy every trace of previous culture how come there is so much evidence of Ottoman invasion left behind. Why didn't they destroy it all? You tell me to stop believing propaganda? Can you point to one monument, church, mosque or even a road built by you guys in Kosovo?
Show me some proof (not Wikipedia crap), but real proof of anything.

The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

“Serbia it's reacting wrongly.. Serbia should …”


“Bashka” is the Turkish for “head” and seems that this nickname is not good for you. If you want them to trust you should call yourself GORAN or TTK or STRANGER or any other neutral name. At least you may be Bob as we already have plenty of them. And of course you have to start to be reasonable too.
(rote, 20 July 2015 14:39)
and your name "rote" means wheel"in Albanian.. so what's your point? His name "bashkim" means Unity in Albanian. Obviously you are not qualified to advise people on what kind of nicknames they have to chose.
What i dont understand is how is this related to this topic. Are you trying to change topic?
(Albo, 20 July 2015 19:44)

rote,
Albo is correct in translating what your name means in Albanian: rote=wheel.
However, it also has another meaning in South Albanian slang: rrot=penishead,
(a derogatory term, but is pronouced similar to "rote"). This second meaning is more appropriate to you, wouldn't you agree. You see, one can learn something new when communicating with Albanians. Incidentally, is "rote" your baptismal name?

Joni

pre 8 godina

(the actual truth, 21 July 2015 23:34)

Read carefully Vaso Cubrilovic memorandum - The Expulsion of the Albanians!
Then come here and talk again!
We have the same prob. even with Greeks - but Greeks in some way asked forgiveness and never deny what happened in south Albania.
All the migrations in Balkan after the VII are registered.
There is any kind of migration registered in Balkan, but even if it was one - how could the Albanians expel Serbs without any kind of resistance from Kosovo.
95 % of Kosovo population is Albanian. So is impossible!
Look a little how Serbian state try in organized manner - and with all the manners to expel the Albanians and they could not expel the native people from their land.
So try to clear up your ideas - and have a nice day!

too funny

pre 8 godina

(Jugoslavija, 22 July 2015 21:28
Genocide??? This from those who deny Srebrenica was genocide. If it was not pathethically sad, it would be hilarious.
Yes masses of Serbs left Kosovo after 1244, some for fear of reprisals, some because they did not want to live with Albanians in control and some for fear they would have to face justice for the crimes they had committed, that's not what one would call Genocide.

rote

pre 8 godina

Bashkim

“Serbia it's reacting wrongly.. Serbia should …”


“Bashka” is the Turkish for “head” and seems that this nickname is not good for you. If you want them to trust you should call yourself GORAN or TTK or STRANGER or any other neutral name. At least you may be Bob as we already have plenty of them. And of course you have to start to be reasonable too.

rote

pre 8 godina

Albo, 20 : “His name "bashkim" means Unity in Albanian.”

This I didn’t knew and I thought It was Turkish so I hinted that the nic was too smart for him.


Teodor Muzaka 1389 : “Stop your derogatory manner toward Albanians.”


There’s not a single nation whom I hate or dislike. If I back Serbs it does not mean that I automatically hate their rivals. All of you are much closer to one another than the EU/NATO/USA ect. they only add fuel to the fire each time that peace get a chance here. My point is that KIM lands must be divided among the two people. Now that I know one more word in Albanian I would say that divorce is the shortest way to reconciliation and a new beshkim. Finally I remind you that you have no idea of the 1389 battle where you say your ancestor took part. Learn more about it. How came that both the winners and the losers abandoned the field and the region for decades ? How came that 8 battles as if took place here afterwards ? How came that since the date before 19 century Serbs always fought on the “Turkish” side ? How came that the only place where Orthodox Christianity survived (outside Russia) was the Ottoman Empire ? How came that 100% of the international “Turkish” treaties before 1923 were signed in Greek ? How came that Pasha Sokologly (Sokolovic) had such a second proud name and such a high position ? What makes you think that Skiptaret and the Albanians are the same nation ? Have you got any artefacts or it's an axioma ?

Joni

pre 8 godina

(Jugoslavija, 22 July 2015 21:28)

Genocide - by Albanians??? Are you kidding me ??
Albanians are not a "barbaric" people - at least we have a "honor code". Ups sorry! Your teacher have teach to you that Albanians are savages - without making any kind of savagery in fact.
And just look at you the " non savages" - what have caused in Balkan.
There was a war in Kosovo - and Albanians never did mass crimes or rapes. You claim that Albanians did crimes against Serbs in Kosovo - in one territory that your army was dominant in all the territory, and you can't procure the facts for those crimes!!??
While..., maybe you are step on a mass grave, or you are swimming on in a river full of Albanians innocent corps. So please stop - because you just mix my stomach...
* If Tito was so "benevolent" toward Albanians then Kosovo will not be part of Serbia but to Albania.
Dear - you Serbs must believe whatever you want, but there are written evidence not written by Albanians.
If you don't want to see.. Is ok!
But, that don't mean that the rest of the world is eyeless..
So don't be ridiculous.

Joni

pre 8 godina

When cornered they go wild just like animals.
(Peggy, 23 July 2015 02:08)

You my dear are not able to corner somebody here!
But, as much as i don't have to much fans on B92 staff in contrast with you..

We will say in Albania that : I'm showing to you the "wolf" - and you still search for "wolf tracks".

At least I'm not get tired in vain - because i really have no time and as you must understand not to much B92 staff fans.
B92 staff -- love you to!

not so funny any more, actually growing very tiring

pre 8 godina

(Peggy, 23 July 2015 02:06)
Once again, read slowly this time. I am not interested in what the original conversation was about, I was reacting to your statement of "show me proof".
But as far as history of Kosovo goes, I could care less. This is 2015 my concerns are the people who live on the land today. The rest is history, something you study in school and great for conversations.
Not Albanian so I really could care less about establishing the ancestral history. You (I suppose) live in Australia, I am sure you cannot place any historical evidence that Serbs inhabited Australia in the 1500's or before Christ etc., but yet the land you own in Australia is yours, and you have a right to vote, and determine your government and their actions just as every other Australian citizen. So do the people of Kosovo, whether Albanian or Serbian or Roma or Turkish or Chinese.
Australia was a British colony, before that it belonged to the indigenous people of Australia, they are the ones who have historical sites, so do you propose that you should surrender your home to the original owners??? As it is highly doubtful they ever received any compensation for your right to live there. Can you prove a difference in your right in Australia and any Albanian's right in Kosovo?

the actual truth

pre 8 godina

Show me some proof (not Wikipedia crap), but real proof of anything.
(Peggy, 21 July 2015 13:26)

Two likes and 14 dislikes. You must have really angered some Albanians with that!

The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

Of course my favorites are those who present things that are contrary to anything out that can be verified and then try to validate them by saying they are privy to information the rest of the world does not possess, a favorite among those in the past known as sj, and staff, and exKfor, and the newcomer factman.
(too funny, 21 July 2015 14:09)

too funny,
You are quite observant , but I believe your statement: "among those in the past known as sj, and staff, and exKfor, and the newcomer factman" are really one and the same looney, we can also add "Ari Gold" to your list of whacky alter egos.

Another thing you mentioned rings true: "Of course my favorites are those who present things that are contrary to anything out (there) that can be verified and then try to validate them by saying they are privy to information the rest of the world does not possess." Dick Marty comes to mind, the famous Swiss sleuth hired by the Serb government to solve the case of the imaginary and nameless Serb "victims" whose organs were removed in the wilderness during a fierce battle with the UCK.

too funny

pre 8 godina

In other words you have none.
Let's say you can't convince me but why not present proof because maybe someone here will be convinced?
(Peggy, 22 July 2015 02:19)
Wasn't my argument, as a matter of fact I do not recall the original post, my reaction was to your "show me proof" which is an impossibility to have you accept anything as proof. The thing that most comes to mind is your rant quite frequently that the reason that there is no proof of the organ harvesting is because the ICTY destroyed all the evidence. You still recite this week in and week out although everything that was destroyed which had no real connection or link to the alleged crimes were photographed and catalogued and that those would be just as useful as the items destroyed.
Or your statements on how Serbs in Kosovo live in ghettos surrounded by barbed wire. When on my travels through Kosovo which was quite extensive the only things I saw surrounded by barb wire were some patrimonial sites and abandoned buildings and of course military installations.

rote kapelle

pre 8 godina

‘’rote, Albo is correct in translating what your name means in Albanian: rote=wheel. However, it also has another meaning in South Albanian slang: rrot=penishead, ,,, Albanians. Incidentally, is "rote" your baptismal name?’’ (The C*unt of Kosova, 21 July 2015 19:41)

Pussy one can guess why you prefer ‘’ rrot=penishead’’ t the truth is here ……… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Orchestra_(espionage)

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Or your statements on how Serbs in Kosovo live in ghettos surrounded by barbed wire. When on my travels through Kosovo which was quite extensive the only things I saw surrounded by barb wire were some patrimonial sites and abandoned buildings and of course military installations.
(too funny, 22 July 2015 16:53) # Comment link

Really, on all your "travels", are there any Serbs left in Pristina? If there are , they cannot utter the name Serbian or they will be lynched. Any Serbs left in Prizren? In Pec?

Genocide by the Albanians occurred in Kosovo after UN resolution 1244 was not upheld as intended and signed. However, the mass exodus of Serbs began after WWII under Tito in order to appease the Albanian Communists. The population of Serbs was close to 40% in Kosovo, now it less than 6%, just who is committing Genocide on the Serbs in Kosovo?

You seem to have problem both visually, spacial along with counting or reading or all of the above.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

(Peggy, 21 July 2015 13:26
Show you proof?, like anyone, anywhere, at anytime could show you something that was "nonSerbian" and you would accept it! You have made your brain impervious to any information that challenges the beliefs that you have cemented in there.
(too funny, 21 July 2015 14:09
===========================
In other words you have none.
Let's say you can't convince me but why not present proof because maybe someone here will be convinced?

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Wasn't my argument, as a matter of fact I do not recall the original post, my reaction was to your "show me proof" which is an impossibility to have you accept anything as proof. The thing that most comes to mind is your rant quite frequently that the reason that there is no proof of the organ harvesting is because the ICTY destroyed all the evidence. You still recite this week in and week out although everything that was destroyed which had no real connection or link to the alleged crimes were photographed and catalogued and that those would be just as useful as the items destroyed.
Or your statements on how Serbs in Kosovo live in ghettos surrounded by barbed wire. When on my travels through Kosovo which was quite extensive the only things I saw surrounded by barb wire were some patrimonial sites and abandoned buildings and of course military installations.
(too funny, 22 July 2015 16:53)
=========================================
None of what you said relates to proof of Albanians in Kosovo before Serbs.
Again, do you or don't you have proof and if you do when are you going to produce it?
When you are cornered you try to go on the attack. The topic was not organ harvesting here but ridiculous claims that you have anything in Kosovo proving it's yours (apart from Clinton statue).

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Show me some proof (not Wikipedia crap), but real proof of anything.
(Peggy, 21 July 2015 13:26)

Two likes and 14 dislikes. You must have really angered some Albanians with that!
(the actual truth, 21 July 2015 23:34)
===========================
When cornered they go wild just like animals.

Ozzie

pre 8 godina

Peggy,

Serbians did not come to the Balkans with there own writing system and of the 1000+ church's in Kosovo 200 odd are Serbian. If you look at some frescoes they depict the population wearing the plis. Even peja jovanovic painted the Serbian ( read orthodox population, not necessary Serbian) exodus from Kosovo wearing Albanian costumes.

just a thought

pre 8 godina

Palestine joined with 107 votes, Kosovo has 108 formal recognitions and many who have not done so politically but have no reason to block their admission. So I say Serbia will have an uphill battle if they really want to expend any energy in this matter. But chances are this is only fodder for the masses and actually has no merit.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

What cynicism, those who burned down our churches, the oldest institutions in Kosovo-Metohija, now want to steal that too. The only things in Kosovo-Metohija that haven't been turned into complete shit and are actually worth something are Trepca, Gazivoda, Brezovica and the Serbian Christian Monasteries. And surprise, the Albanians not only own none of them, but want to steal all of them.

When will the criminals at the KLA institutions stop trying to steal what isn't there's and when are ordinary impoverished Albanians going to start asking their "leaders" where did all those billions the West gave you go??

Kosova

pre 8 godina

Hey guess what? Kosova is also a Serbian word, Perhaps you'll try to steal that as well if you ever join UNESCO. Other than that... what monuments do you thieves have? Everything in Kosovo/Kosova is Serbian except for that ratty 'Stillborn' sign in Pristina.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Joni, not even once have any of you been able to show anything of yours in Kosovo before Serbs. Surely you would have something. Even a rock with Albanian writing on it. You keep repeating the same old rubbish that Serbs destroyed everything. If Serbs destroy every trace of previous culture how come there is so much evidence of Ottoman invasion left behind. Why didn't they destroy it all? You tell me to stop believing propaganda? Can you point to one monument, church, mosque or even a road built by you guys in Kosovo?
Show me some proof (not Wikipedia crap), but real proof of anything.

Bashkim

pre 8 godina

Serbia it's reacting wrongly.. Serbia should apologise for the genocide they did over Albania people in their home land. And build a good friendship. Politic need to be changed in Serbia. The politic should concentrate on the Serbian people and leave Kosovo people to build their future and country after the terror Serbs has showed!!!! Serbia should apologise one more and to move together in Europe.. This is democracy.. But Serbian authorities are doing this just to stay in government.. That's all.. Respect for all Balkan ;)

rote

pre 8 godina

Bashkim

“Serbia it's reacting wrongly.. Serbia should …”


“Bashka” is the Turkish for “head” and seems that this nickname is not good for you. If you want them to trust you should call yourself GORAN or TTK or STRANGER or any other neutral name. At least you may be Bob as we already have plenty of them. And of course you have to start to be reasonable too.

Navi

pre 8 godina

Everything in Kosovo/Kosova is Serbian except for that ratty 'Stillborn' sign in Pristina.
(Kosova, 20 July 2015 21:09)

Don't forget the garbage strewn roadside monuments to KLA terrorists, the statue of Bill Clinton, and Thaci's mafia mansion. All need UN funds to maintain this Albanian culture.

Brian

pre 8 godina

Brussels is very clear. Serbia must support and vote for Kosovo to be in unesco. Being in unesco Is part of kosovos eu path. Serbia will be violating Brussels not only if it votes no but abstains.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Croatia will do the same when it comes to Serbia joining EU. Not even mentioning USA, Germany, UK....
(Avni, 20 July 2015 22:19)
=================================
Who told you that?

Sadly I think the membership will happen for now. Albanians need to take Serbian history to become legitimate. They don't have anything of their own to speak of their legitimacy to Kosovo but sooner or later the wrongs of faschists will be changed.

Haitan

pre 8 godina

The US and Israel were powerless in trying to prevent Palestine from joining, so what power will Serbia have in trying to prevent Kosova from joining?

j

pre 8 godina

... when are ordinary impoverished Albanians going to start asking their "leaders" where did all those billions the West gave you go??
(Ari Gold, 20 July 2015 12:00)

I don't see ordinary impoverished Serbs asking their "leaders" where did all those billions the West gave you go.

rote

pre 8 godina

Albo, 20 : “His name "bashkim" means Unity in Albanian.”

This I didn’t knew and I thought It was Turkish so I hinted that the nic was too smart for him.


Teodor Muzaka 1389 : “Stop your derogatory manner toward Albanians.”


There’s not a single nation whom I hate or dislike. If I back Serbs it does not mean that I automatically hate their rivals. All of you are much closer to one another than the EU/NATO/USA ect. they only add fuel to the fire each time that peace get a chance here. My point is that KIM lands must be divided among the two people. Now that I know one more word in Albanian I would say that divorce is the shortest way to reconciliation and a new beshkim. Finally I remind you that you have no idea of the 1389 battle where you say your ancestor took part. Learn more about it. How came that both the winners and the losers abandoned the field and the region for decades ? How came that 8 battles as if took place here afterwards ? How came that since the date before 19 century Serbs always fought on the “Turkish” side ? How came that the only place where Orthodox Christianity survived (outside Russia) was the Ottoman Empire ? How came that 100% of the international “Turkish” treaties before 1923 were signed in Greek ? How came that Pasha Sokologly (Sokolovic) had such a second proud name and such a high position ? What makes you think that Skiptaret and the Albanians are the same nation ? Have you got any artefacts or it's an axioma ?

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

Or your statements on how Serbs in Kosovo live in ghettos surrounded by barbed wire. When on my travels through Kosovo which was quite extensive the only things I saw surrounded by barb wire were some patrimonial sites and abandoned buildings and of course military installations.
(too funny, 22 July 2015 16:53) # Comment link

Really, on all your "travels", are there any Serbs left in Pristina? If there are , they cannot utter the name Serbian or they will be lynched. Any Serbs left in Prizren? In Pec?

Genocide by the Albanians occurred in Kosovo after UN resolution 1244 was not upheld as intended and signed. However, the mass exodus of Serbs began after WWII under Tito in order to appease the Albanian Communists. The population of Serbs was close to 40% in Kosovo, now it less than 6%, just who is committing Genocide on the Serbs in Kosovo?

You seem to have problem both visually, spacial along with counting or reading or all of the above.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

(Peggy, 21 July 2015 13:26
Show you proof?, like anyone, anywhere, at anytime could show you something that was "nonSerbian" and you would accept it! You have made your brain impervious to any information that challenges the beliefs that you have cemented in there.
(too funny, 21 July 2015 14:09
===========================
In other words you have none.
Let's say you can't convince me but why not present proof because maybe someone here will be convinced?

Joni

pre 8 godina

(Peggy, 21 July 2015 02:36)

How could be there an culture in Kosovo if Serbs destroyed it all....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Albanians_in_the_Balkan_Wars#Leon_Trotsky.27s_article

How could you know something about the Albanian history, culture, etc, if you learn and grow up with Cubrilovic propaganda ?

The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

“Serbia it's reacting wrongly.. Serbia should …”


“Bashka” is the Turkish for “head” and seems that this nickname is not good for you. If you want them to trust you should call yourself GORAN or TTK or STRANGER or any other neutral name. At least you may be Bob as we already have plenty of them. And of course you have to start to be reasonable too.
(rote, 20 July 2015 14:39)
and your name "rote" means wheel"in Albanian.. so what's your point? His name "bashkim" means Unity in Albanian. Obviously you are not qualified to advise people on what kind of nicknames they have to chose.
What i dont understand is how is this related to this topic. Are you trying to change topic?
(Albo, 20 July 2015 19:44)

rote,
Albo is correct in translating what your name means in Albanian: rote=wheel.
However, it also has another meaning in South Albanian slang: rrot=penishead,
(a derogatory term, but is pronouced similar to "rote"). This second meaning is more appropriate to you, wouldn't you agree. You see, one can learn something new when communicating with Albanians. Incidentally, is "rote" your baptismal name?

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Wasn't my argument, as a matter of fact I do not recall the original post, my reaction was to your "show me proof" which is an impossibility to have you accept anything as proof. The thing that most comes to mind is your rant quite frequently that the reason that there is no proof of the organ harvesting is because the ICTY destroyed all the evidence. You still recite this week in and week out although everything that was destroyed which had no real connection or link to the alleged crimes were photographed and catalogued and that those would be just as useful as the items destroyed.
Or your statements on how Serbs in Kosovo live in ghettos surrounded by barbed wire. When on my travels through Kosovo which was quite extensive the only things I saw surrounded by barb wire were some patrimonial sites and abandoned buildings and of course military installations.
(too funny, 22 July 2015 16:53)
=========================================
None of what you said relates to proof of Albanians in Kosovo before Serbs.
Again, do you or don't you have proof and if you do when are you going to produce it?
When you are cornered you try to go on the attack. The topic was not organ harvesting here but ridiculous claims that you have anything in Kosovo proving it's yours (apart from Clinton statue).

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Show me some proof (not Wikipedia crap), but real proof of anything.
(Peggy, 21 July 2015 13:26)

Two likes and 14 dislikes. You must have really angered some Albanians with that!
(the actual truth, 21 July 2015 23:34)
===========================
When cornered they go wild just like animals.

Teodor Muzaka 1389

pre 8 godina

“Bashka” is the Turkish for “head”
@ rote,

Bashkim in Albanian means: union , or be together.
Stop your derogatory manner toward Albanians.

too funny

pre 8 godina

(Peggy, 21 July 2015 13:26
Show you proof?, like anyone, anywhere, at anytime could show you something that was "nonSerbian" and you would accept it! You have made your brain impervious to any information that challenges the beliefs that you have cemented in there.
Of course I have found that to be pretty much the case in this forum. It matters not the validity of anything presented it is rejected by those who are of different thinking.
Of course my favorites are those who present things that are contrary to anything out that can be verified and then try to validate them by saying they are privy to information the rest of the world does not possess, a favorite among those in the past known as sj, and staff, and exKfor, and the newcomer factman.

the actual truth

pre 8 godina

Show me some proof (not Wikipedia crap), but real proof of anything.
(Peggy, 21 July 2015 13:26)

Two likes and 14 dislikes. You must have really angered some Albanians with that!

Albo

pre 8 godina

“Serbia it's reacting wrongly.. Serbia should …”


“Bashka” is the Turkish for “head” and seems that this nickname is not good for you. If you want them to trust you should call yourself GORAN or TTK or STRANGER or any other neutral name. At least you may be Bob as we already have plenty of them. And of course you have to start to be reasonable too.
(rote, 20 July 2015 14:39)
and your name "rote" means wheel"in Albanian.. so what's your point? His name "bashkim" means Unity in Albanian. Obviously you are not qualified to advise people on what kind of nicknames they have to chose.
What i dont understand is how is this related to this topic. Are you trying to change topic?

The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

Of course my favorites are those who present things that are contrary to anything out that can be verified and then try to validate them by saying they are privy to information the rest of the world does not possess, a favorite among those in the past known as sj, and staff, and exKfor, and the newcomer factman.
(too funny, 21 July 2015 14:09)

too funny,
You are quite observant , but I believe your statement: "among those in the past known as sj, and staff, and exKfor, and the newcomer factman" are really one and the same looney, we can also add "Ari Gold" to your list of whacky alter egos.

Another thing you mentioned rings true: "Of course my favorites are those who present things that are contrary to anything out (there) that can be verified and then try to validate them by saying they are privy to information the rest of the world does not possess." Dick Marty comes to mind, the famous Swiss sleuth hired by the Serb government to solve the case of the imaginary and nameless Serb "victims" whose organs were removed in the wilderness during a fierce battle with the UCK.

Joni

pre 8 godina

(the actual truth, 21 July 2015 23:34)

Read carefully Vaso Cubrilovic memorandum - The Expulsion of the Albanians!
Then come here and talk again!
We have the same prob. even with Greeks - but Greeks in some way asked forgiveness and never deny what happened in south Albania.
All the migrations in Balkan after the VII are registered.
There is any kind of migration registered in Balkan, but even if it was one - how could the Albanians expel Serbs without any kind of resistance from Kosovo.
95 % of Kosovo population is Albanian. So is impossible!
Look a little how Serbian state try in organized manner - and with all the manners to expel the Albanians and they could not expel the native people from their land.
So try to clear up your ideas - and have a nice day!

rote kapelle

pre 8 godina

‘’rote, Albo is correct in translating what your name means in Albanian: rote=wheel. However, it also has another meaning in South Albanian slang: rrot=penishead, ,,, Albanians. Incidentally, is "rote" your baptismal name?’’ (The C*unt of Kosova, 21 July 2015 19:41)

Pussy one can guess why you prefer ‘’ rrot=penishead’’ t the truth is here ……… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Orchestra_(espionage)

too funny

pre 8 godina

In other words you have none.
Let's say you can't convince me but why not present proof because maybe someone here will be convinced?
(Peggy, 22 July 2015 02:19)
Wasn't my argument, as a matter of fact I do not recall the original post, my reaction was to your "show me proof" which is an impossibility to have you accept anything as proof. The thing that most comes to mind is your rant quite frequently that the reason that there is no proof of the organ harvesting is because the ICTY destroyed all the evidence. You still recite this week in and week out although everything that was destroyed which had no real connection or link to the alleged crimes were photographed and catalogued and that those would be just as useful as the items destroyed.
Or your statements on how Serbs in Kosovo live in ghettos surrounded by barbed wire. When on my travels through Kosovo which was quite extensive the only things I saw surrounded by barb wire were some patrimonial sites and abandoned buildings and of course military installations.

too funny

pre 8 godina

(Jugoslavija, 22 July 2015 21:28
Genocide??? This from those who deny Srebrenica was genocide. If it was not pathethically sad, it would be hilarious.
Yes masses of Serbs left Kosovo after 1244, some for fear of reprisals, some because they did not want to live with Albanians in control and some for fear they would have to face justice for the crimes they had committed, that's not what one would call Genocide.

Joni

pre 8 godina

(Jugoslavija, 22 July 2015 21:28)

Genocide - by Albanians??? Are you kidding me ??
Albanians are not a "barbaric" people - at least we have a "honor code". Ups sorry! Your teacher have teach to you that Albanians are savages - without making any kind of savagery in fact.
And just look at you the " non savages" - what have caused in Balkan.
There was a war in Kosovo - and Albanians never did mass crimes or rapes. You claim that Albanians did crimes against Serbs in Kosovo - in one territory that your army was dominant in all the territory, and you can't procure the facts for those crimes!!??
While..., maybe you are step on a mass grave, or you are swimming on in a river full of Albanians innocent corps. So please stop - because you just mix my stomach...
* If Tito was so "benevolent" toward Albanians then Kosovo will not be part of Serbia but to Albania.
Dear - you Serbs must believe whatever you want, but there are written evidence not written by Albanians.
If you don't want to see.. Is ok!
But, that don't mean that the rest of the world is eyeless..
So don't be ridiculous.

Joni

pre 8 godina

When cornered they go wild just like animals.
(Peggy, 23 July 2015 02:08)

You my dear are not able to corner somebody here!
But, as much as i don't have to much fans on B92 staff in contrast with you..

We will say in Albania that : I'm showing to you the "wolf" - and you still search for "wolf tracks".

At least I'm not get tired in vain - because i really have no time and as you must understand not to much B92 staff fans.
B92 staff -- love you to!

not so funny any more, actually growing very tiring

pre 8 godina

(Peggy, 23 July 2015 02:06)
Once again, read slowly this time. I am not interested in what the original conversation was about, I was reacting to your statement of "show me proof".
But as far as history of Kosovo goes, I could care less. This is 2015 my concerns are the people who live on the land today. The rest is history, something you study in school and great for conversations.
Not Albanian so I really could care less about establishing the ancestral history. You (I suppose) live in Australia, I am sure you cannot place any historical evidence that Serbs inhabited Australia in the 1500's or before Christ etc., but yet the land you own in Australia is yours, and you have a right to vote, and determine your government and their actions just as every other Australian citizen. So do the people of Kosovo, whether Albanian or Serbian or Roma or Turkish or Chinese.
Australia was a British colony, before that it belonged to the indigenous people of Australia, they are the ones who have historical sites, so do you propose that you should surrender your home to the original owners??? As it is highly doubtful they ever received any compensation for your right to live there. Can you prove a difference in your right in Australia and any Albanian's right in Kosovo?

just a thought

pre 8 godina

Palestine joined with 107 votes, Kosovo has 108 formal recognitions and many who have not done so politically but have no reason to block their admission. So I say Serbia will have an uphill battle if they really want to expend any energy in this matter. But chances are this is only fodder for the masses and actually has no merit.

Ozzie

pre 8 godina

Peggy,

Serbians did not come to the Balkans with there own writing system and of the 1000+ church's in Kosovo 200 odd are Serbian. If you look at some frescoes they depict the population wearing the plis. Even peja jovanovic painted the Serbian ( read orthodox population, not necessary Serbian) exodus from Kosovo wearing Albanian costumes.