Serbs in eastern Bosnia remember their victims

One of the good things of being virtually ignored in the media is that you can carry out commemoration of the dead in quiet dignity instead of having it degenerate into the end of a Benny Hill episode.

According to the west these victims did not exist.

Now ......who was the agressor along the Drina river?

Bam Bam


Even if serbs are considered by you and other albanians to be the agressors does it mean we can't remember the dead on our side?
Is it a cmpoetition on who lost most people? All dead should be remembered not just albaninians, bosnjaks and croats. If you have a problem with that you can show your head where the sun don't shine.

So you see it really does not matter at all to the USA, England and Germany blessed by the Vatican that any Serbian people are raped, tortured, their property, land and home stolen and horific murders that took place and are continuing to take the toll on all Slavic Eastern Orthodox people in Europe! USA, England and Germany not even once mention in their one sided control of the news media any thing even remotely in regards to the extreme hostility Serbian people suffer from Roman Catholic Croatians and Jihadi John Islamic Muslums! A direct copy of Hitlers Final Solution-Demonize and Isolate then Exterminate! Yes, I am telling you my Serbian Brothers and Sisters the reality, it is possible the next big Slavic Eastern Orthodox Holocast and it will also happen if we Serbian people permit Satan to lead us into the death chambers! Today all Serbian people must totally ubnderstand and respect each other, no divisions, it is not a question or solution that we consider our selves Chetnics, Partisans, Royals, The Black Hand or any other group but most important that we are all the children of Serbia our Mother and the children of our Father Crucified and Holy in the Kingdom of Heaven! we Serbian people where ever we are, were ever we live, where ever we travel, we must spit on and torture Satan the Devil. As always we Serbian people must pray for peace but stand prepared to defend and protect our race and most important our Sacred Religion! God Bless Serbia and God Bless Russia!!!

3,500 Serbs killed in the Drina Valley ...

Muslims killed along the Drina river: Srebrenica between 8-15,000. Bijeljina 5,000. Gorazde 5,000. Visegrad 5,000. Zvornik 2,000, Foca 1,000. Zepa 1,000, Gacko 500. Drina Train Attack 20.

Now ......who was the agressor along the Drina river?

RIP to all innocent victims, be they Serb or Bosnian Muslim, men, women, children and the elderly!

I doubt we'll hear from the Serb haters today as they tend to turn a blind eye to crimes committed against Serbs and their purpose of spreading hate and division is a little difficult under these circumstances.

You should thank God there is a Serbia so you can blame all you missfortunes and shortcomings on someone else. To you and other fascists everything in the past and everything today is the fault of my country. You know what, even if everything is Serbias fault what does this article have to do with that? This is about remembering serbs killed by bosnjaks. They were still murdered regardless of who you think is responsible for the war, and they deserv to be rememberd just as much as everyone else.

Dignified, by dignified people.

Keep seeing the same old rubbish here about how the Serbs were agressors, therefore they deserved to be tortured and killed, including children and babies.
Not one from the other side has said RIP all the innocent victims. All they ever say is how they mourn the Muslims or Croats but as far as Serbs are concerned they don't matter. Serbs were not agressors everywhere just like the others were not victims everywhere.
They quote numbers of Muslims killed in different areas but never say that not all Muslims were killed by Serbs. Croatians fought the Muslims and they also killed each so why are all the Muslim dead attributed to Serbian agression?
Muslims also killed other Muslims but thaqt never gets mentioned either. We Serbs don't deny that we killed but we were also defending our homes too and were also ethinically cleansed and killed too.
If you want us to try to put the past behind, you sure are not showing it. Acknowledge your atrocities and honour our dead too. Vucic has extended the hand of friendship and all he got was stones thrown in his face. Stop pretending your lot did nothing wrong.

Bog ih blagoslovio! We will never forget what those Muslims have done, and never forget who they are either in Serbia or Macedonia, Nikad ne zaboravimo!!

Is it a cmpoetition on who lost most people? All dead should be remembered not just albaninians, bosnjaks and croats. If you have a problem with that you can show your head where the sun don't shine.
(MikeC, 13 July 2015 14:49) Mike all the dead and suffering should be put at incorrigible criminal warmonger Serbia's feet. Even the Serb dead. Like the criminal buffoon Radovan Karadžić said of the "Srpska" criminality in Bosnia. If it wasn't for Serbia nothing would of happened. Also the criminal Milan Babić "Srpska Krajina" president said. Belgrade Serbia lied to and manipulated the Serbs in Croatia. Serbia being a cowardly criminal "country" tries to evade responsibility or make restitution. That is why Serbia is going nowhere only backwards to abyss of its own criminal making.

All victims should be remembered, but looking at the number of civilians killed the serbs lost few civilians, so that is why serbs are painted as the aggressors because they pretty much were. I'm sure somebody honors nazi civilians that were murdered in ww2 but don't block holocaust recognition because of them. It is good to know that some serbs are not like the ones that often comment here

I'm sure somebody honors nazi civilians that were murdered in ww2 but don't block holocaust recognition because of them. It is good to know that some serbs are not like the ones that often comment here
(Pope F, 13 July 2015 21:12)

Not even the statistics from the anti-Serb Hague Tribunal show anything near this fantasy of yours. They found that out of the 100k deaths-30k were Serbian. 66k were Bosnian Muslims. Not all of them were killed by Serbs as Croats also fought for independence from Bosnia.

It wasn't one-sided aggression. The Jews did nothing to the Germans, the Bosnian Muslims tried to force Serbs into a sharia state. They failed. When Alija chose not to go back on his signature of the Lisbon Agreement, when Naser Oric fled Srebrenica like a coward. They are most responsible for the 66k Bosniak deaths.

When Alija chose TO** go back on his signature of the Lisbon Agreement,

Well ari gold you are forgetting one important thing. The 30k killed serbs were mostly soldiers and the 60k killed bosniaks were mostly civilians regardless of how many sides they fought, that is why justice must be found. You might take comfort in the fact that the croats will be punished too for their atrocities in bosnia later, though theirs are smaller. And it was one sided the Bosnian army was made up of poorly armed defenders of all three faiths in bosnia plus smaller minorities like jews. I doubt a sharia state was on all of their bucket lists. The fact is the only oppressive idea in anyone's head was greater serbia and you know it.

All victims should be remembered, but looking at the number of civilians killed the Serbs lost few civilians, so that is why Serbs are painted as the aggressors because they pretty much were. I'm sure somebody honors Nazi civilians that were murdered in ww2 but don't block holocaust recognition because of them. It is good to know that some Serbs are not like the ones that often comment here
(Pope F, 13 July 2015 21:12)

You have the audacity to blacken the name of over 6 Million Jews killed by Nazi hands and helped by the Axis which included the countries of Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Croatia and others who openly declared war against the US. What is an affront to Serbs is trying to turn Srebrenica into something it was not , it was NOT genocide and there are no facts to support it. That is why it was rejected at the UN, the Nuremburg trials fully document the Jewish Holocaust and the Croatian Ustasha , Bosnian Muslim Handzak SS division and Albanian SS Skanderbeg divisions.

Serbia was not the aggressor in Yugoslavia, but the defender of the JNA federation which fell apart. Slovenia launched the revolution by illegally seizing the borders, the JNA at that time was led by a Croat who tried to take the borders back and the JNA army was destroyed as they were told not to fire at the Slovenian army.

This led Bosnia and Croatia to seize JNA barracks and weapons. It was Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia that attacked the JNA first!

IN response to "Muslims killed along the Drina river: Srebrenica between 8-15,000. Bijeljina 5,000. Gorazde 5,000. Visegrad 5,000. Zvornik 2,000, Foca 1,000. Zepa 1,000, Gacko 500. Drina Train Attack 20. Now ......who was the agressor along the Drina river?"

Per your numbers, more civilian Muslims were killed than the UN recognizes(31,583)! Remember, that Muslims fought Croatians, they fought other Muslims (Fikret Abdics Military) and they fought Serbs. You cant attribute every death to Serbs.

Furthermore, in every war, there is civilian casualties. Even powerful & advanced militaries fail to avoid civilian deaths. Look at Iraq. So you cant say that every civilian Muslim killed was part of a massacre. Many are killed by legitimate warfare.

So if you take the 31,583 figure and deduct those killed by Croats. Deduct those killed by other Muslims, deduct those unintentionally killed through normal warefare and those that died of questionable causes, the figure is most likely significantly lower. So lets assume that it ends up being half, 15K. This means that 5K civilians died per year of the conflict. In the US, 16K are murdered each year. While this is still horrible, it cannot be compared to WWII.

I am not trying to discount the suffering. I am only trying to be more realistic based on basic math and reality. With that said, any death is a death too many and all sides suffered. All innocent should be remembered regardless of where they are from.

Guess who didn't show up today.

Does anyone know how many Serbs died in all 4 wars?

Serbia's infamous PM once declared "for every Serb aggressor killed 100 innocent Bosnia Moslems must be murdered."

Srebrenica has 8,000 Bosnian Genocide victims therefor using Serb ratio of killing that must mean the victims must of some how ,even with the disgracefull Serb supported International Arms Embargo,Serb aggressors had 80 losses.

Russia wants the world to equate 80 aggressors that might of died with 8000 documented deaths of Bosnians which the ICJ declared a GENOCIDE.

If this isnt injustice then nothing is.

Hey jugoslavija you obviously do not know the point I am trying to make. I am comparing the serbs to the nazis in the respective wars. And you dare say srebrenica genocide was not a genocide because the UN rejected it? Actually russia rejected it because they are guilty of participating in it, and russia gas no credibility these days, the criminals decided their verdict, so it proves nothing except there are still deniers.

I like how you name ss units from other balkan people's but leave out chetniks which were a pro nazi anti yugoslav fascist movement and the only one around today, and it was them along with greater serbia that destroyed yugoslavia so I find your name strange.

What is an affront to Serbs is trying to turn Srebrenica into something it was not , it was NOT genocide and there are no facts to support it.
(Jugoslavija, 14 July 2015 17:50)

Well, the international community has determined beyond reasonable doubt that what happened in Srebrenica in 1995 was genocide. Whether you like that or not, is irrelevant. The summarized facts by the international community are here http://www.icty.org/x/cases/stanisic_simatovic/tjug/en/130530_judgement_p1.pdf

A note though that according to the international community, it was members of VRS who committed genocide, not the Serbs, so please don't implicate the Serb people on such a crime - the vast majority of Serbs are not criminals to slaughter helpless 14 year old boys.
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That is why it was rejected at the UN
(Jugoslavija, 14 July 2015 17:50)

Not sure what "it" means, but one thing is sure that the UN has not said that "Srebrenica was not genocide" if that's what you meant by "it".

Let us not forget the Bosnian Muslim strategy of sacrificing its own civilians in order to gain international sympathy.

Let us also not forget the how the incompetence of an army (Bosnian Muslims) can cause death to its own civilians by making stupid choices.

They had no business picking a fight against someone who could easily kick their ass. Their entire MO was to drive up civilian casualties to get Western military support.

They couldn't otherwise win. Until the Serbs were bombed back, they held 80% of the territory (and they could have held 100% but deliberately stopped).

The Bosnian Muslims were stupid.

In Podrinje, 94.83% of civilian casualties were Moslems.

icj1,

Please define for us: "international community"

Who exactly is that comprised of? What countries?

You use that word rather liberally and have neve defined it.

Inquiring minds would like to know.

Are the Serbs, Muslims and Croatians all equally innocent and guilty? Who is the most interested in the truth of the past? The past hundred years in the Balkans is not a bottomless pit of events. The truth will out because the truth stands alone and needs no defenders.

Just stand by the facts and never waver from them. The more we know about the truth, the more we will see who is innocent and who is guilty.

icj1,

Please define for us: "international community"

Who exactly is that comprised of? What countries?

You use that word rather liberally and have neve defined it.

Inquiring minds would like to know.
(factman, 16 July 2015 01:15)

That is comprised of all countries in the world, except for Kosovo, Taiwan and the Vatican which are not UN members

3,500 Serbs killed in the Drina Valley ...

Muslims killed along the Drina river: Srebrenica between 8-15,000. Bijeljina 5,000. Gorazde 5,000. Visegrad 5,000. Zvornik 2,000, Foca 1,000. Zepa 1,000, Gacko 500. Drina Train Attack 20.

Now ......who was the agressor along the Drina river?

So you see it really does not matter at all to the USA, England and Germany blessed by the Vatican that any Serbian people are raped, tortured, their property, land and home stolen and horific murders that took place and are continuing to take the toll on all Slavic Eastern Orthodox people in Europe! USA, England and Germany not even once mention in their one sided control of the news media any thing even remotely in regards to the extreme hostility Serbian people suffer from Roman Catholic Croatians and Jihadi John Islamic Muslums! A direct copy of Hitlers Final Solution-Demonize and Isolate then Exterminate! Yes, I am telling you my Serbian Brothers and Sisters the reality, it is possible the next big Slavic Eastern Orthodox Holocast and it will also happen if we Serbian people permit Satan to lead us into the death chambers! Today all Serbian people must totally ubnderstand and respect each other, no divisions, it is not a question or solution that we consider our selves Chetnics, Partisans, Royals, The Black Hand or any other group but most important that we are all the children of Serbia our Mother and the children of our Father Crucified and Holy in the Kingdom of Heaven! we Serbian people where ever we are, were ever we live, where ever we travel, we must spit on and torture Satan the Devil. As always we Serbian people must pray for peace but stand prepared to defend and protect our race and most important our Sacred Religion! God Bless Serbia and God Bless Russia!!!

Is it a cmpoetition on who lost most people? All dead should be remembered not just albaninians, bosnjaks and croats. If you have a problem with that you can show your head where the sun don't shine.
(MikeC, 13 July 2015 14:49) Mike all the dead and suffering should be put at incorrigible criminal warmonger Serbia's feet. Even the Serb dead. Like the criminal buffoon Radovan Karadžić said of the "Srpska" criminality in Bosnia. If it wasn't for Serbia nothing would of happened. Also the criminal Milan Babić "Srpska Krajina" president said. Belgrade Serbia lied to and manipulated the Serbs in Croatia. Serbia being a cowardly criminal "country" tries to evade responsibility or make restitution. That is why Serbia is going nowhere only backwards to abyss of its own criminal making.

Now ......who was the agressor along the Drina river?

Bam Bam


Even if serbs are considered by you and other albanians to be the agressors does it mean we can't remember the dead on our side?
Is it a cmpoetition on who lost most people? All dead should be remembered not just albaninians, bosnjaks and croats. If you have a problem with that you can show your head where the sun don't shine.

All victims should be remembered, but looking at the number of civilians killed the serbs lost few civilians, so that is why serbs are painted as the aggressors because they pretty much were. I'm sure somebody honors nazi civilians that were murdered in ww2 but don't block holocaust recognition because of them. It is good to know that some serbs are not like the ones that often comment here

Serbia's infamous PM once declared "for every Serb aggressor killed 100 innocent Bosnia Moslems must be murdered."

Srebrenica has 8,000 Bosnian Genocide victims therefor using Serb ratio of killing that must mean the victims must of some how ,even with the disgracefull Serb supported International Arms Embargo,Serb aggressors had 80 losses.

Russia wants the world to equate 80 aggressors that might of died with 8000 documented deaths of Bosnians which the ICJ declared a GENOCIDE.

If this isnt injustice then nothing is.

Keep seeing the same old rubbish here about how the Serbs were agressors, therefore they deserved to be tortured and killed, including children and babies.
Not one from the other side has said RIP all the innocent victims. All they ever say is how they mourn the Muslims or Croats but as far as Serbs are concerned they don't matter. Serbs were not agressors everywhere just like the others were not victims everywhere.
They quote numbers of Muslims killed in different areas but never say that not all Muslims were killed by Serbs. Croatians fought the Muslims and they also killed each so why are all the Muslim dead attributed to Serbian agression?
Muslims also killed other Muslims but thaqt never gets mentioned either. We Serbs don't deny that we killed but we were also defending our homes too and were also ethinically cleansed and killed too.
If you want us to try to put the past behind, you sure are not showing it. Acknowledge your atrocities and honour our dead too. Vucic has extended the hand of friendship and all he got was stones thrown in his face. Stop pretending your lot did nothing wrong.

All victims should be remembered, but looking at the number of civilians killed the Serbs lost few civilians, so that is why Serbs are painted as the aggressors because they pretty much were. I'm sure somebody honors Nazi civilians that were murdered in ww2 but don't block holocaust recognition because of them. It is good to know that some Serbs are not like the ones that often comment here
(Pope F, 13 July 2015 21:12)

You have the audacity to blacken the name of over 6 Million Jews killed by Nazi hands and helped by the Axis which included the countries of Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Croatia and others who openly declared war against the US. What is an affront to Serbs is trying to turn Srebrenica into something it was not , it was NOT genocide and there are no facts to support it. That is why it was rejected at the UN, the Nuremburg trials fully document the Jewish Holocaust and the Croatian Ustasha , Bosnian Muslim Handzak SS division and Albanian SS Skanderbeg divisions.

Serbia was not the aggressor in Yugoslavia, but the defender of the JNA federation which fell apart. Slovenia launched the revolution by illegally seizing the borders, the JNA at that time was led by a Croat who tried to take the borders back and the JNA army was destroyed as they were told not to fire at the Slovenian army.

This led Bosnia and Croatia to seize JNA barracks and weapons. It was Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia that attacked the JNA first!

You should thank God there is a Serbia so you can blame all you missfortunes and shortcomings on someone else. To you and other fascists everything in the past and everything today is the fault of my country. You know what, even if everything is Serbias fault what does this article have to do with that? This is about remembering serbs killed by bosnjaks. They were still murdered regardless of who you think is responsible for the war, and they deserv to be rememberd just as much as everyone else.

Well ari gold you are forgetting one important thing. The 30k killed serbs were mostly soldiers and the 60k killed bosniaks were mostly civilians regardless of how many sides they fought, that is why justice must be found. You might take comfort in the fact that the croats will be punished too for their atrocities in bosnia later, though theirs are smaller. And it was one sided the Bosnian army was made up of poorly armed defenders of all three faiths in bosnia plus smaller minorities like jews. I doubt a sharia state was on all of their bucket lists. The fact is the only oppressive idea in anyone's head was greater serbia and you know it.

One of the good things of being virtually ignored in the media is that you can carry out commemoration of the dead in quiet dignity instead of having it degenerate into the end of a Benny Hill episode.

Dignified, by dignified people.

I'm sure somebody honors nazi civilians that were murdered in ww2 but don't block holocaust recognition because of them. It is good to know that some serbs are not like the ones that often comment here
(Pope F, 13 July 2015 21:12)

Not even the statistics from the anti-Serb Hague Tribunal show anything near this fantasy of yours. They found that out of the 100k deaths-30k were Serbian. 66k were Bosnian Muslims. Not all of them were killed by Serbs as Croats also fought for independence from Bosnia.

It wasn't one-sided aggression. The Jews did nothing to the Germans, the Bosnian Muslims tried to force Serbs into a sharia state. They failed. When Alija chose not to go back on his signature of the Lisbon Agreement, when Naser Oric fled Srebrenica like a coward. They are most responsible for the 66k Bosniak deaths.

RIP to all innocent victims, be they Serb or Bosnian Muslim, men, women, children and the elderly!

I doubt we'll hear from the Serb haters today as they tend to turn a blind eye to crimes committed against Serbs and their purpose of spreading hate and division is a little difficult under these circumstances.

Bog ih blagoslovio! We will never forget what those Muslims have done, and never forget who they are either in Serbia or Macedonia, Nikad ne zaboravimo!!

In Podrinje, 94.83% of civilian casualties were Moslems.

Hey jugoslavija you obviously do not know the point I am trying to make. I am comparing the serbs to the nazis in the respective wars. And you dare say srebrenica genocide was not a genocide because the UN rejected it? Actually russia rejected it because they are guilty of participating in it, and russia gas no credibility these days, the criminals decided their verdict, so it proves nothing except there are still deniers.

I like how you name ss units from other balkan people's but leave out chetniks which were a pro nazi anti yugoslav fascist movement and the only one around today, and it was them along with greater serbia that destroyed yugoslavia so I find your name strange.

Does anyone know how many Serbs died in all 4 wars?

When Alija chose TO** go back on his signature of the Lisbon Agreement,

Guess who didn't show up today.

IN response to "Muslims killed along the Drina river: Srebrenica between 8-15,000. Bijeljina 5,000. Gorazde 5,000. Visegrad 5,000. Zvornik 2,000, Foca 1,000. Zepa 1,000, Gacko 500. Drina Train Attack 20. Now ......who was the agressor along the Drina river?"

Per your numbers, more civilian Muslims were killed than the UN recognizes(31,583)! Remember, that Muslims fought Croatians, they fought other Muslims (Fikret Abdics Military) and they fought Serbs. You cant attribute every death to Serbs.

Furthermore, in every war, there is civilian casualties. Even powerful & advanced militaries fail to avoid civilian deaths. Look at Iraq. So you cant say that every civilian Muslim killed was part of a massacre. Many are killed by legitimate warfare.

So if you take the 31,583 figure and deduct those killed by Croats. Deduct those killed by other Muslims, deduct those unintentionally killed through normal warefare and those that died of questionable causes, the figure is most likely significantly lower. So lets assume that it ends up being half, 15K. This means that 5K civilians died per year of the conflict. In the US, 16K are murdered each year. While this is still horrible, it cannot be compared to WWII.

I am not trying to discount the suffering. I am only trying to be more realistic based on basic math and reality. With that said, any death is a death too many and all sides suffered. All innocent should be remembered regardless of where they are from.

What is an affront to Serbs is trying to turn Srebrenica into something it was not , it was NOT genocide and there are no facts to support it.
(Jugoslavija, 14 July 2015 17:50)

Well, the international community has determined beyond reasonable doubt that what happened in Srebrenica in 1995 was genocide. Whether you like that or not, is irrelevant. The summarized facts by the international community are here http://www.icty.org/x/cases/stanisic_simatovic/tjug/en/130530_judgement_p1.pdf

A note though that according to the international community, it was members of VRS who committed genocide, not the Serbs, so please don't implicate the Serb people on such a crime - the vast majority of Serbs are not criminals to slaughter helpless 14 year old boys.
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That is why it was rejected at the UN
(Jugoslavija, 14 July 2015 17:50)

Not sure what "it" means, but one thing is sure that the UN has not said that "Srebrenica was not genocide" if that's what you meant by "it".

Let us not forget the Bosnian Muslim strategy of sacrificing its own civilians in order to gain international sympathy.

Let us also not forget the how the incompetence of an army (Bosnian Muslims) can cause death to its own civilians by making stupid choices.

They had no business picking a fight against someone who could easily kick their ass. Their entire MO was to drive up civilian casualties to get Western military support.

They couldn't otherwise win. Until the Serbs were bombed back, they held 80% of the territory (and they could have held 100% but deliberately stopped).

The Bosnian Muslims were stupid.

According to the west these victims did not exist.

icj1,

Please define for us: "international community"

Who exactly is that comprised of? What countries?

You use that word rather liberally and have neve defined it.

Inquiring minds would like to know.

Are the Serbs, Muslims and Croatians all equally innocent and guilty? Who is the most interested in the truth of the past? The past hundred years in the Balkans is not a bottomless pit of events. The truth will out because the truth stands alone and needs no defenders.

Just stand by the facts and never waver from them. The more we know about the truth, the more we will see who is innocent and who is guilty.

icj1,

Please define for us: "international community"

Who exactly is that comprised of? What countries?

You use that word rather liberally and have neve defined it.

Inquiring minds would like to know.
(factman, 16 July 2015 01:15)

That is comprised of all countries in the world, except for Kosovo, Taiwan and the Vatican which are not UN members