PM says he is ready to pay respects in Srebrenica

Guest,

May you please educate us all.

How and where did Serbia commit genocide in Croatia? Please be specific. We are all eager to know.

The last I remember is that your governement instructed your military to ethnically cleanse 200,000 Non- combatant Serbs from the Krajina region in the single largest ethnic cleansing of the war. Your country is 96% Croatian. Cleansed entirely. The above can be found in any newspaper or magazine (except maybe in Croatia).

In WW2 your government killed 600,000 serbs in the Jasenovac concentration camp. This is also documented. It is also documented that your government nir your church(which was criminally complicit in the events) to this day does not acknowledge that event nor has ever apologized for it.

In fact, Your youth and cultural icons to this day still sing Nazi songs. And only last week a soccer match was yet again cancelled in Croatia because of swastika was painted on the field. All the above is Documenteed also.

You are clearly a child, or mentally undeveloped, or a paid internet troll sent to instigate.

Your country has a severe inferiority complex against Serbs for centuries now that has led to hatred (this complex is also found in other unnamed regions of the former Yugo). Please know that we are 10million. Twice your size and our cultural and economic and military and scientific acheivements have always and will always be greater than you and anyone else in the region.


Thanks!

Croatia is a major player in Balkan, it supercedes all other former Yugoslavian nations
(Guest, 19 June 2015 14:31)

I'm pretty sure the Slovenes would think otherwise. Croatia is no better or worse than Serbia is today so don't flatter yourself.

How can anyone take Vucic seriously when he makes statements such as:

"June 23 when eyes of the entire world will be on Brussels" - lol, does Vucic really think he's that important or that Serbia is actually relevant?

"the Serb people, as a nation that from the Balkan wars until the 1990s suffered the most" - disgusting distortion of truth. An attempt to hide the genocide Serbia committed against Albanians in Kosovo, Macedonia and the former Sandzak of Nish since the Balkan Wars, where hundreds of thousands died and millions of Albanians were expelled to Turkey.

Vucic said ' A great crime had been committed '.

Your right it was the worst crime on innocent victims since 45'. How on Gods Earth do you cut down a group of people with an AK 47 and not feel any guilt. Vucic needs to push his kind to accept what occurred at Srebrenica was a war crime of the worst kind and that componsation needs to be payed to those who still suffer from the Bosnian Holocaust.

This is a good start, but serbia needs to work a lot more with her neighbors especially croatians. Croatia is a major player in Balkan, it supercedes all other former Yugoslavian nations, and serbia got away with a genocide thare. Then you have little Kosovo, not that they can do much for themselves, but they are quite backed up by many countries in Europe. Serbia is on the right track, I hope they continue to keep moving forward for the sake of her own prople.

Your country has a severe inferiority complex against Serbs for centuries now that has led to hatred (this complex is also found in other unnamed regions of the former Yugo). Please know that we are 10million. Twice your size and our cultural and economic and military and scientific acheivements have always and will always be greater than you and anyone else in the region.


Thanks!
(factman, 19 June 2015 15:49)

Haha, man you are a sick indevidual. This quote alone aside from the other tripe you loaded in your comment prooves the fact Serbs gave a unhealthy obsession with their neigbors. Explains why Serbs have started conflicts in other nations. When did Croatia or Bosnia or Slovenia invade Serbia? Never. Worry about your own country and then maybe it would be in a bettet state like Slovenia.

Factman: Seems like you have a superiority complex.

In WW2 your government killed 600,000 serbs in the Jasenovac concentration camp. This is also documented.

"_________

Factman, if you were an actual educated adult, you would know that the NDH no longer exist. Todays Croatian governmnet is based on that founded in 1943 that exusted same time as NDH. NDH was not recognized by world as a county. Todays Croatia is not the legal successor, look it up. Serbia though is the legal Successor of Yugoslavia. Deal with it. Then move on. Dont call out war crimes if you cant admit ones made by Serbs.

Vucic you F-ing lap dog.

I'm pretty sure the Slovenes would think otherwise. Croatia is no better or worse than Serbia is today so don't flatter yourself.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 19 June 2015 17:09)

Statistics say otherwise. Ctoatia's GDP seems to be doing better as well as unemployment rates. There has also been a large movment in removing corrupt officials in Croatian government positions. The same will happen in Serbia hopefully when joinning EU.

So You want to pay respekt to those who Murdered Unarmed Serbian Civilians - Men-Women and Children ?.
Shame on You !.

I Quote -

Serbia ought to demand all of Bosnian Muslim military records.

If people actually wanted the truth AND NOT EXAGGERATED AND DECEPTIVE PROPAGANDA, they would demand the Bosnian Muslim military records which would shed light on what happened.

The records would show all who died or went missing BEFORE the fall - and already only a fraction of those records (which fell into Serbs' hands) did show that Bosnian Muslim SOLDIERS who died months and years before the fall were being falsely claimed to have been killed in the fall and in mass graves.

The Bosnian Muslims are digging up their fallen soldiers from the whole war period and claiming they were killed in the fall.

They are also including Bosnian Muslim soldiers who were stationed and fighting in other towns and areas of eastern Bosnia.

The Zepa Bosnian Muslims soldiers are included in those who died in Srebrenica.

(ida, 18 June 2015 01:53)

And -
Ok great. Try to get the resolution amended so it can also take into account the genocide that took place against 3500 Serbs in Srebrenica, and we'll be good to go. Also, detained terrorist Naser Oric should be extradited for exactly those crimes.
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(Ari Gold, 17 June 2015 12:23

Arn.Sweden.

Ned Taylor: The truth stings, doesnt it?

Setbs worldwide are generally annoyed and pissed off at the fuc$ing bull$$hit and double standards.

if you think we have a superiority complex now, wait a little while longer.

The last thing you need is unified Serbs, but that is what you are about to get.

i think most Serbs will agree.

Jackman,

Serbia never invaded Croatia. Serbs were living there for 650 years.

Perhaps you are actually the uneducated adult?

Read up on it. Its freely available information.

It would be more correct if you stated it this way:

The Serbs of Croatia armed themselves against a government that was oddly reminiscent of the NDH. Flag. Anthem. Philosphy. Intellectual discourse. Popular culture. Their cyrillic alphabet was banned and restrictions were put on their church. Their were released from state positions and generally intimidated due to their nationality.

And at the end of the day they were all ethnically cleansed. Every last one. And to this day they cannot return.

Those are facts and you are a denier of those facts and I am calling you on it.

Serbs dont buy in to your bul$$hit fictions.

Serbia have won under 20 world cup.

Ok, I do realize both of you have mistaken me as if I am a croatian myself. You both are wrong, and I can careless what you both think to be quite honest. If my comment was too pro-Croatian or Kosovan, then deal with it. What I srated is absolutely true, and don't assume anyone who by default is stating statements in Croatias favor or kosovo, therefore they belong to that nationality.

Hey Bam Bam is that the Bosnian Holocaust(which actually was a Holocaust) that the Croatian Ustashe perpetrated the event you are referring to? No-one knows of one that occurred in Bosnia that at any other time! You seem to have got your facts wrong again and are confusing civil war with what was actually genocide. There's a world of difference professor. I don't remember any Serbian asking for YU to be dismantled, so they certainly didn't start the war. Or are you able to somehow miraculously turn that fact on its' head. I bet you'll try??

Jackman:

You are very selective in your choice of response, choosing only the easiest things to take issue with. That reveals a lot.

You have read my comments, but did not understand. You dont need to be the legal succesor, I am staing that you are the cultural and philosophical successor. Its in your literature. Your music. Your football. your politics. Your history books. even your children are infected.

Nice giant swastika you guys painted on your home field last week. I guess it was the ghosts of the NDH came out while you were all sleeping.

All I hear from the Nazis like Jackoff and the goat herders like Albanian is the same old rhetoric crap. If you haven't heard Serbia are world champions, amazing result from a country of only 6 million.

You trolls carry on as if no crimes were committed by albos, bosniaks and croats.

Oh we are all perfectly clean.

And at the end of the day they were all ethnically cleansed. Every last one. And to this day they cannot return.

Those are facts and you are a denier of those facts and I am calling you on it.

(factman, 20 June 2015 01:53

Ironic you choose that moniker and are so emphatic about your claims!!
According to the OSCE:
http://www.osce.org/zagreb/15985?download=true

"At least 300,000 Croatian Serbs had been involuntarily displaced as a result of the 1991-
1995 armed conflict. Almost a decade after the end of the war, about 117,000 Croatian Serbs
have been registered by the Croatian authorities as having returned to and within Croatia."
1991 census estimates put the Serb population at 581 thousand, so everyone was not cleansed and some have returned.
Now I am not disputing anything that happened in Croatia, I am saying when you are so emphatic about your numbers that are totally false, why should anyone believe anything you have posted.

Arn.Sweden

You are already stating absurd things. For example there is no bosnian muslim military. There is bosnian armed forces where during the war bosnians, croatians and serbs were members of.

You talk like there is some conspiracy but honestly the proof is just overwhelming against you serbs. When it comes too those "3500" serbs who you state were killed nobody has ever emerged with evidence of that act happening.

Serbian armed forces did not only kill bosniaks but aswell as croats and serbs who didnt want to partake in serbian army. For example serbs killed a serb named Zelimir Zidovic a fotball legend who were helping wounded civilians to get help. Serbian convoy stopped him and wouldnt be seen again until 1996 where they find his body among other dead people in massgrave.

Note that bosnian heroes like Jovan Divjak and Dragan Vikic are serb and croat. So calling bosnian army a muslim one is wrong.

(factman, 23 June 2015 23:53)
Just can't help but twist the facts, all Serbs did not leave about 300,000 out of 581,000 did and out of that 300,000 117,000 returned.
It says a lot when all you have is lies and twisted numbers to build your story. You live in a house of cards falling down around you!!!
As far as how many returned to sell their homes, who knows, Serbs do not want to live in mixed ethnic neighborhoods, them leaving voluntarily due to their own hatred is not ethnic cleansing.

Thanks "Just a note" for your thoughtful reply.
- 581,000 before the war
-117,000 now

That means:
- 80% never returned
- 20% did return

Of that 20%:

1. How many returned only so they could try and sell their property?

2. How many returned only to leave again because nothing really changed and there is no life there (which is a continuation of the original ethnic cleansing, but delivered in two parts across multiple years and due to now legalistic state policies)?

3. How many registered to return on paper, sent in the form, but never really went back, because they thought better of it? Or were convinced not too?

4. How many filled out the paperwork to claim monies left over or to receive a pension?

5. How many were due to Belgrade sponsored "Return to Croatia drives" which ultimately failed to muster popular interest?

4. How many are old people who went back to die and be buried next to a spouse on their ancestral homelands instead of a shanty town IDP camp outside Kragujevac?

Take that into consideration, and i'd say that we're north of 95%.

You can quibble over the difference, but that counts as "everyone" to me.

Just because OSCE wrote it doesnt mean it has the ENTIRE truth.

"Lies, damn lies, and statistics"
~ Mark Twain

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By the way, Interesting article today about Croatia's fascist "present" on b92 that flies in the face of jackman's nazi/fascist croatia denier statement below.

This is a good start, but serbia needs to work a lot more with her neighbors especially croatians. Croatia is a major player in Balkan, it supercedes all other former Yugoslavian nations, and serbia got away with a genocide thare. Then you have little Kosovo, not that they can do much for themselves, but they are quite backed up by many countries in Europe. Serbia is on the right track, I hope they continue to keep moving forward for the sake of her own prople.

Guest,

May you please educate us all.

How and where did Serbia commit genocide in Croatia? Please be specific. We are all eager to know.

The last I remember is that your governement instructed your military to ethnically cleanse 200,000 Non- combatant Serbs from the Krajina region in the single largest ethnic cleansing of the war. Your country is 96% Croatian. Cleansed entirely. The above can be found in any newspaper or magazine (except maybe in Croatia).

In WW2 your government killed 600,000 serbs in the Jasenovac concentration camp. This is also documented. It is also documented that your government nir your church(which was criminally complicit in the events) to this day does not acknowledge that event nor has ever apologized for it.

In fact, Your youth and cultural icons to this day still sing Nazi songs. And only last week a soccer match was yet again cancelled in Croatia because of swastika was painted on the field. All the above is Documenteed also.

You are clearly a child, or mentally undeveloped, or a paid internet troll sent to instigate.

Your country has a severe inferiority complex against Serbs for centuries now that has led to hatred (this complex is also found in other unnamed regions of the former Yugo). Please know that we are 10million. Twice your size and our cultural and economic and military and scientific acheivements have always and will always be greater than you and anyone else in the region.


Thanks!

How can anyone take Vucic seriously when he makes statements such as:

"June 23 when eyes of the entire world will be on Brussels" - lol, does Vucic really think he's that important or that Serbia is actually relevant?

"the Serb people, as a nation that from the Balkan wars until the 1990s suffered the most" - disgusting distortion of truth. An attempt to hide the genocide Serbia committed against Albanians in Kosovo, Macedonia and the former Sandzak of Nish since the Balkan Wars, where hundreds of thousands died and millions of Albanians were expelled to Turkey.

So You want to pay respekt to those who Murdered Unarmed Serbian Civilians - Men-Women and Children ?.
Shame on You !.

I Quote -

Serbia ought to demand all of Bosnian Muslim military records.

If people actually wanted the truth AND NOT EXAGGERATED AND DECEPTIVE PROPAGANDA, they would demand the Bosnian Muslim military records which would shed light on what happened.

The records would show all who died or went missing BEFORE the fall - and already only a fraction of those records (which fell into Serbs' hands) did show that Bosnian Muslim SOLDIERS who died months and years before the fall were being falsely claimed to have been killed in the fall and in mass graves.

The Bosnian Muslims are digging up their fallen soldiers from the whole war period and claiming they were killed in the fall.

They are also including Bosnian Muslim soldiers who were stationed and fighting in other towns and areas of eastern Bosnia.

The Zepa Bosnian Muslims soldiers are included in those who died in Srebrenica.

(ida, 18 June 2015 01:53)

And -
Ok great. Try to get the resolution amended so it can also take into account the genocide that took place against 3500 Serbs in Srebrenica, and we'll be good to go. Also, detained terrorist Naser Oric should be extradited for exactly those crimes.
-
(Ari Gold, 17 June 2015 12:23

Arn.Sweden.

Croatia is a major player in Balkan, it supercedes all other former Yugoslavian nations
(Guest, 19 June 2015 14:31)

I'm pretty sure the Slovenes would think otherwise. Croatia is no better or worse than Serbia is today so don't flatter yourself.

Jackman,

Serbia never invaded Croatia. Serbs were living there for 650 years.

Perhaps you are actually the uneducated adult?

Read up on it. Its freely available information.

It would be more correct if you stated it this way:

The Serbs of Croatia armed themselves against a government that was oddly reminiscent of the NDH. Flag. Anthem. Philosphy. Intellectual discourse. Popular culture. Their cyrillic alphabet was banned and restrictions were put on their church. Their were released from state positions and generally intimidated due to their nationality.

And at the end of the day they were all ethnically cleansed. Every last one. And to this day they cannot return.

Those are facts and you are a denier of those facts and I am calling you on it.

Serbs dont buy in to your bul$$hit fictions.

Hey Bam Bam is that the Bosnian Holocaust(which actually was a Holocaust) that the Croatian Ustashe perpetrated the event you are referring to? No-one knows of one that occurred in Bosnia that at any other time! You seem to have got your facts wrong again and are confusing civil war with what was actually genocide. There's a world of difference professor. I don't remember any Serbian asking for YU to be dismantled, so they certainly didn't start the war. Or are you able to somehow miraculously turn that fact on its' head. I bet you'll try??

Ned Taylor: The truth stings, doesnt it?

Setbs worldwide are generally annoyed and pissed off at the fuc$ing bull$$hit and double standards.

if you think we have a superiority complex now, wait a little while longer.

The last thing you need is unified Serbs, but that is what you are about to get.

i think most Serbs will agree.

Your country has a severe inferiority complex against Serbs for centuries now that has led to hatred (this complex is also found in other unnamed regions of the former Yugo). Please know that we are 10million. Twice your size and our cultural and economic and military and scientific acheivements have always and will always be greater than you and anyone else in the region.


Thanks!
(factman, 19 June 2015 15:49)

Haha, man you are a sick indevidual. This quote alone aside from the other tripe you loaded in your comment prooves the fact Serbs gave a unhealthy obsession with their neigbors. Explains why Serbs have started conflicts in other nations. When did Croatia or Bosnia or Slovenia invade Serbia? Never. Worry about your own country and then maybe it would be in a bettet state like Slovenia.

Vucic you F-ing lap dog.

Jackman:

You are very selective in your choice of response, choosing only the easiest things to take issue with. That reveals a lot.

You have read my comments, but did not understand. You dont need to be the legal succesor, I am staing that you are the cultural and philosophical successor. Its in your literature. Your music. Your football. your politics. Your history books. even your children are infected.

Nice giant swastika you guys painted on your home field last week. I guess it was the ghosts of the NDH came out while you were all sleeping.

All I hear from the Nazis like Jackoff and the goat herders like Albanian is the same old rhetoric crap. If you haven't heard Serbia are world champions, amazing result from a country of only 6 million.

In WW2 your government killed 600,000 serbs in the Jasenovac concentration camp. This is also documented.

"_________

Factman, if you were an actual educated adult, you would know that the NDH no longer exist. Todays Croatian governmnet is based on that founded in 1943 that exusted same time as NDH. NDH was not recognized by world as a county. Todays Croatia is not the legal successor, look it up. Serbia though is the legal Successor of Yugoslavia. Deal with it. Then move on. Dont call out war crimes if you cant admit ones made by Serbs.

You trolls carry on as if no crimes were committed by albos, bosniaks and croats.

Oh we are all perfectly clean.

Factman: Seems like you have a superiority complex.

Ok, I do realize both of you have mistaken me as if I am a croatian myself. You both are wrong, and I can careless what you both think to be quite honest. If my comment was too pro-Croatian or Kosovan, then deal with it. What I srated is absolutely true, and don't assume anyone who by default is stating statements in Croatias favor or kosovo, therefore they belong to that nationality.

Vucic said ' A great crime had been committed '.

Your right it was the worst crime on innocent victims since 45'. How on Gods Earth do you cut down a group of people with an AK 47 and not feel any guilt. Vucic needs to push his kind to accept what occurred at Srebrenica was a war crime of the worst kind and that componsation needs to be payed to those who still suffer from the Bosnian Holocaust.

I'm pretty sure the Slovenes would think otherwise. Croatia is no better or worse than Serbia is today so don't flatter yourself.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 19 June 2015 17:09)

Statistics say otherwise. Ctoatia's GDP seems to be doing better as well as unemployment rates. There has also been a large movment in removing corrupt officials in Croatian government positions. The same will happen in Serbia hopefully when joinning EU.

Serbia have won under 20 world cup.

Arn.Sweden

You are already stating absurd things. For example there is no bosnian muslim military. There is bosnian armed forces where during the war bosnians, croatians and serbs were members of.

You talk like there is some conspiracy but honestly the proof is just overwhelming against you serbs. When it comes too those "3500" serbs who you state were killed nobody has ever emerged with evidence of that act happening.

Serbian armed forces did not only kill bosniaks but aswell as croats and serbs who didnt want to partake in serbian army. For example serbs killed a serb named Zelimir Zidovic a fotball legend who were helping wounded civilians to get help. Serbian convoy stopped him and wouldnt be seen again until 1996 where they find his body among other dead people in massgrave.

Note that bosnian heroes like Jovan Divjak and Dragan Vikic are serb and croat. So calling bosnian army a muslim one is wrong.

Thanks "Just a note" for your thoughtful reply.
- 581,000 before the war
-117,000 now

That means:
- 80% never returned
- 20% did return

Of that 20%:

1. How many returned only so they could try and sell their property?

2. How many returned only to leave again because nothing really changed and there is no life there (which is a continuation of the original ethnic cleansing, but delivered in two parts across multiple years and due to now legalistic state policies)?

3. How many registered to return on paper, sent in the form, but never really went back, because they thought better of it? Or were convinced not too?

4. How many filled out the paperwork to claim monies left over or to receive a pension?

5. How many were due to Belgrade sponsored "Return to Croatia drives" which ultimately failed to muster popular interest?

4. How many are old people who went back to die and be buried next to a spouse on their ancestral homelands instead of a shanty town IDP camp outside Kragujevac?

Take that into consideration, and i'd say that we're north of 95%.

You can quibble over the difference, but that counts as "everyone" to me.

Just because OSCE wrote it doesnt mean it has the ENTIRE truth.

"Lies, damn lies, and statistics"
~ Mark Twain

####

By the way, Interesting article today about Croatia's fascist "present" on b92 that flies in the face of jackman's nazi/fascist croatia denier statement below.

(factman, 23 June 2015 23:53)
Just can't help but twist the facts, all Serbs did not leave about 300,000 out of 581,000 did and out of that 300,000 117,000 returned.
It says a lot when all you have is lies and twisted numbers to build your story. You live in a house of cards falling down around you!!!
As far as how many returned to sell their homes, who knows, Serbs do not want to live in mixed ethnic neighborhoods, them leaving voluntarily due to their own hatred is not ethnic cleansing.

And at the end of the day they were all ethnically cleansed. Every last one. And to this day they cannot return.

Those are facts and you are a denier of those facts and I am calling you on it.

(factman, 20 June 2015 01:53

Ironic you choose that moniker and are so emphatic about your claims!!
According to the OSCE:
http://www.osce.org/zagreb/15985?download=true

"At least 300,000 Croatian Serbs had been involuntarily displaced as a result of the 1991-
1995 armed conflict. Almost a decade after the end of the war, about 117,000 Croatian Serbs
have been registered by the Croatian authorities as having returned to and within Croatia."
1991 census estimates put the Serb population at 581 thousand, so everyone was not cleansed and some have returned.
Now I am not disputing anything that happened in Croatia, I am saying when you are so emphatic about your numbers that are totally false, why should anyone believe anything you have posted.